development

[lyric mountain]

remember bots can have commands added or removed at ANY time

or the code changed entirely

a "bot" is nothing more than a vessel, an interface to communicate with discord

the code inside is entirely hidden from the user

[solemn latch]

Your bot can join a server, create a webhook and leave.

Since the bot created the webhook it can still respond to interactions on the webhook.

You could in theory create a lot of features with that.

Just no guild info

[crystal wigeon]

Hey does topgg moderators dm you?

[lyric mountain]

doesn't interactions require the command to be registered?

[crystal wigeon]

also can i not host a GA asking people to leave a review on the bot? im just asking them to leave a review be in good or bad, not forcing any sort of number on anyone

[shadow stratus]

Well, deletions can be completely disabled or locked down. An idea for how deletions can be locked down: No channel deletions or anything else similarly destructive or kicking/banning users, can only delete messages posted by bot

[surreal sage]

I have a D.js Select Menu, I await the interaction (works fine)

After the response has been sent I show a modal, I want to reply to the modal by editing the message of the select menu and closing the modal.

modal.reply makes a new response
selectmenusubmit.update doesn't close the modal
selectmenusubmit.update "reply to this interaction has already been sent or deferred"

What method should I use?

D.js version 14.0.3

[solemn latch]

Commands couldn't be done. But a select menu with a list of "commands" would work

[crystal wigeon]

Got this DM, tryna make sure its legit

[lyric mountain]

-scam: send steam scams to all users

or that ^

[shadow stratus]

Well, most scams are being done my selfbots

[crystal wigeon]

someone pls help, ty

[lyric mountain]

yes, and discord has one hell of headache on that issue

[lyric mountain]

not, it isn't a mod

it's a scam

[crystal wigeon]

so i can do GA asking for people to leave a review?

[lyric mountain]

topgg mods wont say "hi I am a mod"

[shadow stratus]

DM request limit, limited API for everything

[crystal wigeon]

https://support.top.gg/support/solutions/articles/73000502504-review-guidelines

they shared this link

[earnest phoenix]

Fellintron is a mod in this server, but make sure their user ID matches the one from this server

[lyric mountain]

returns to my point: bots cant reliably use dm now, gaming bots that use it die

[crystal wigeon]

786150805773746197

@rugged dawn

yep

its them ig

[shadow stratus]

gaming bots can verify, back to my other point

[earnest phoenix]

Then it's not a scam, it's legit

[lyric mountain]

what if they dont want to?

[rugged dawn]

totally fake /j

[surreal sage]

:p

[crystal wigeon]

i copied their user ID, and it showed yours?

[rugged dawn]

and yeah respond to the dm ASAP please :)

[lyric mountain]

oh so it was legit

srry

[rugged dawn]

yeah it's me you don't have to worry

[crystal wigeon]

ah okay

just verifying

haha

[crystal wigeon]

but whats totally fake?

[solemn latch]

/j means joking

[lyric mountain]

simply dont answer to the hook twice

[shadow stratus]

Well, making most of the bots that can't scale because of the ID requirements scale is better than making none of the bots scale

[lyric mountain]

modal.reply already acks the interaction, any further edit has to be done to the message itself

not the hook

[digital swan]

I can’t believe you’ve been arguing about this for so long. It’s not gonna change, verify with your ID or don’t verify at all

[lyric mountain]

I was trying to explain, but they simply dont understand

gonna eat now, cya

[shadow stratus]

I know it's not going to change, I was just presenting another way to fix the problem that the minority of bots are facing, not like discord is going to take this advice anyways

[solemn latch]

tbh, ID's are easy and cheap to obtain. If a bot owner doesnt want to get an ID, or are unwilling to supply that to a huge company like stripe the bot probably wouldn't scale far anyway.

[shadow stratus]

The minority are mostly people who care a bit about privacy, or live in third world countries.

I'm not exactly sure, but IDs probably aren't as easy to get in some countries

[solemn latch]

Someone who is privacy conscious probably would support protecting the privacy of users right? which is what this is for.

You're not acting as a user as a bot developer, you kind of have to forfeit some privacy when developing things with another company.

I cant comment on people who are not able to work with stripe, stripe doesn't support a lot of countries.
There are valid ways around that though.

Such as finding someone else who will verify the bot.

At the end of the day, discord has to do whats best for the platform and their users. which is the goal of the verification system.

[shadow stratus]

Not all people want to forfeit some privacy, but I think the people who won't give an ID because of privacy are very little compared to the people in third world countries

[lyric mountain]

You're free not to supply your ID, discord is free to limit your bot's reach

Simple trade rules

[solemn latch]

If you are really dedicated to making an application on discord without supplying an ID that can be used in more than 100 guilds at once I do think its possible, with some heavy limitations.

You could in theory make a bot that has a single command.
That command could create a channel, lock the channel so users cant send messages in it, and create a webhook.
Then on the webhook you send a message with help information, and a select menu to run something like a command.
once setup, the bot leaves the server.

Your application can still interact with the webhook, and you can still receive interactions with select menus or buttons on messages sent by that webhook.

it could scale as far as you want.

[sage bobcat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

One message removed from a suspended account.

[crystal wigeon]

Already sorted

Thanks

[rugged dawn]

hi faith

[sage bobcat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[boreal iron]

Not me… smh

[neon leaf]

how do let users get params (:id) like in express with the node:http library?

aka recognize /lol/hello/ok as /lol/:word/ok, word = hello

[lyric mountain]

are u trying to replace express with node http?

[neon leaf]

in some ways, yes

[lyric mountain]

don't

there's more than a simple facade, you're in for a lot of headache trying to make an http server using raw api

[neon leaf]

I know

its for a school project

[lyric mountain]

well you'd use regex to extract that data

[neon leaf]

could I technically split the url into an array by / and get the params index value by that?

[lyric mountain]

that too

split uses regex in js iirc

worth to note u wont be able to get params by name if u use split

[neon leaf]

how would I know that its still the url that the user defined though?

[lyric mountain]

regex

[neon leaf]

uhh, would I just replace the params postion with ?

(in the regex)

[lyric mountain]

simply don't match anything after ?

regex doesn't need g flag

[neon leaf]

this is my current logic

how would I go about it here

because in this case it would return nothing

it only checks if pathname is literally in the saved urls

[lyric mountain]

reg 👏 ex

you need to iterate over your list to find an url that matches

[neon leaf]

how would I exactly go about implementing it though?

[lyric mountain]

do u know how regex works?

[neon leaf]

no, actually yes but no

[lyric mountain]

you need to build an expression that compares against the url

ignoring parts that are variables

[neon leaf]

how would I know what part is a variable though with just having the request url?

[lyric mountain]

by comparing with the url

you're missing the part where u iterate over each url saved in the list

[neon leaf]

would this make some sense?

[lyric mountain]

no, by far

you need to literally write a regex pattern to extract the variables (and their names), then check if the supplied url matches the inverse of that regex

[slender wagon]

hey guys here i am again

reinstalling postgress

[lyric mountain]

can probably be done with split + loop tho

[slender wagon]

any tip before i am finished?

[lyric mountain]

configure cache size

[slender wagon]

to what

[lyric mountain]

...to whatever resources your server has

[neon leaf]

make sure to not allow external postgres user login

[slender wagon]

am i gonna need this all

[lyric mountain]

postgres comes with default settings, which obviously isn't optimized for ur server

[lyric mountain]

u only need the first and last

[slender wagon]

so no admin4?

[lyric mountain]

pgadmin is for managing the database, technically not needed but enable it if u want a gui

[slender wagon]

can i run that in localhost if i don't install pgadmin

[lyric mountain]

pgadmin is a manager, not the database

the database will run regardless of what u install

[slender wagon]

yes yes but can i run some sort of manager on localhost

[lyric mountain]

there's no "on localhost"

it's either local or remote

[slender wagon]

i can't explain i saw some other guys they had something very similar to pgadmin

but it wasn't it

it was simple

running on localhost

basically not an app

[lyric mountain]

ops

fuck amazon let me copy the image

[slender wagon]

lmao

[lyric mountain]

https://static.us-east-1.prod.workshops.aws/public/5d9cc1c7-991c-4be3-8252-e8549509d2ef/static/2-Foundation/Lab9-Postgres-Introduction/task1/pgAdmin.png

it's a database manager, it is NOT the database

[slender wagon]

well i am gonna install it again an this time let's hope it does the job

yes i am aware

[lyric mountain]

pgadmin doesn't do anything other than present a visual interface for the CLI

having it or not won't influence how postgres work

[slender wagon]

gotchya

[neon leaf]

this is as far as my regex knowledge goes

[lyric mountain]

[A-Za-z0-9]+ will match a word

[neon leaf]

😄

ah

nvm

[lyric mountain]

but u cant include : nor / in the match

[neon leaf]

why?

[lyric mountain]

so put () around the word pattern

because those aren't part of the name of the variable

those are boundaries

[neon leaf]

ok, I am now a bit confused how to continue

I mean, I got a regex that matches var names ut what to do with it?

[lyric mountain]

now u invert that regex and compare against the url

it'll compare anything but the variables

[neon leaf]

how do I invert it?

[lyric mountain]

(?!pattern)

[lyric mountain]

try doing it with split + loop tho, it'd probably be easier for u

split by / and iterate over each part

split both template and input urls btw, not just input

if both have the same array length, continue, else stop cuz they cant be equal

[neon leaf]

🤯 it makes sense

[lyric mountain]

after that it's just comparing template[i] with input[i]

if template starts with :, save the current input index as a property

else compare if both are equal

[neon leaf]

is this kinda correct before I continue?

[sage bobcat]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[neon leaf]

its not in a try it state yet

[lyric mountain]

don't split many times

save the split result to a const and use it

[neon leaf]

I can only put actualUrl outside the loop though, right?

actually, I can just store most of that in the urls json

[brave raptor]

Bro, use BDScript

Easy af

[neon leaf]

why would I use bdscript to make a web server

[brave raptor]

Oh

[lyric mountain]

bdscript 💀

[brave raptor]

I thought u r making bot

[brave raptor]

Creepy?

[lyric mountain]

nah, just "yet another bot builder"

which end up to be constrained af and usually, harder to deal with than if u just used normal programming

[lyric mountain]

u dont need the regex anymore if ur looping with split

[clever shuttle]

lol bdscript

[brave raptor]

Why lol?

[clever shuttle]

that's like so basic

[neon leaf]

cant I just check if hasParams is true and then know if I need to get params or its just a normal url?

[brave raptor]

Being basic sounds funny?

[lyric mountain]

it's because bot builders don't have a good rep around here

[clever shuttle]

💀

[brave raptor]

E

[opaque acorn]

Somebody know how to avoid root perms in Termux?

[brave raptor]

Google it

Btw u cant

[opaque acorn]

I tried

[brave raptor]

Install kali nethunter use that

3.6gb only

[neon leaf]

how do I know which template to use? Do I put that in my other loop?

[lyric mountain]

template is the stored url

input is the url ur testing

[neon leaf]

so input = reqUrl.pathname?

[lyric mountain]

yes

I think

[neon leaf]

with stored url you mean what I showed in that screenshot? (array)

[lyric mountain]

yes

[neon leaf]

but I need to uh w- its stored under /userinfo/:username but I dont know that its there

because there are many urls

[lyric mountain]

you'll iterate over each url

[neon leaf]

ah so your code snippet just goes in a for loop with every url that has params?

[lyric mountain]

with every url

[neon leaf]

why every?

and wouldnt just checking for lenght result in /userinfo/:username and /userdata/:username being the same?

[lyric mountain]

yes, that's why u also check each param

[lyric mountain]

because you cant know otherwise

[neon leaf]

ok, imma just not ask questions and copy the code snippet first

[lyric mountain]

pay attention to it, dont simply copy blindly

[neon leaf]

like this?

[lyric mountain]

u forgot to return vars

if the inner for completes, then it's a match

nvm

well, just return var after u have a match

[neon leaf]

seems to be loading infinitely now

[lyric mountain]

it shouldn't be

also ur not supposed to change iterator variables

simply use for (... of ...)

[neon leaf]

these are my logs,

[lyric mountain]

and the first two variables are useless

[lyric mountain]

well, u started a webserver, it'll obviously never end

are u sure that's a school project?

[neon leaf]

it just means the server now runs

[neon leaf]

yes

ok, it works now, atleast it responds

for some reason the loop isnt executing at all though

[lyric mountain]

probably because ur prefixing the url with /

told u how to do it, now it's ur turn to solve that

[neon leaf]

no like, the actual loop isnt running, the upper one

I dont understand why

urls:

    '/lol': {
      hasParams: false,
      array: [Array],
      type: 'GET',
      code: [AsyncFunction (anonymous)]
    },
    '/lol/:username': {
      hasParams: true,
      array: [Array],
      type: 'GET',
      code: [AsyncFunction (anonymous)]
    }
  ]```
loop:

[lyric mountain]

did u try printing what urls is?

[neon leaf]

yes, the thing in the upper part of the message

[lyric mountain]

that's a print result?

[neon leaf]

yes

[lyric mountain]

well then, it's because you're returning

[neon leaf]

even

  console.log(e)
}```
doesnt work

[lyric mountain]

are u sure it's really entering wherever that code is?

[neon leaf]

hmm, half of the code works now

oh yeah, because I used in

of:

this works

                e = urls[e]
                console.log(e)
            }```

[wheat mesa]

e = urls[e]

Imagine seeing this in Java

ConcurrentModificationException would like to know your location

[surreal sage]

I have a value that can be 0 to 1
If it's 0.6 I want it to be 0.4, if it's 1 I want it to be 0 If it's 0.3 I want it to be 0.7, get me?

What's the math

[lyric mountain]

it wouldn't throw a CME cuz they aren't changing the collection values, just the iterator

still a fucked up habit tho

[lyric mountain]

max - value

[surreal sage]

I see, thanks

[molten halo]

Hello im trying to simply download files from my url with nodejs
When i try
file = fs.readFileSync("./x.pdf")
and res.send(file)
And when i go this slash it works but it download without extintion i mean it just downloads x not x.pdf i need to rename it how cna i fix it?

[lyric mountain]

first of all, readFileSync reads a file, it doesn't "download" anything

second, what is res? the answer can change drastically depending on what that is

[wheat mesa]

Oh yeah that’s right I forgor

[lyric mountain]

💀

[neon leaf]

how can I get the put body of the request and forward it to the custom function to use?

[lyric mountain]

req.body

[neon leaf]

I am talking about node:http

req.body is undefined

[lyric mountain]

read the docs

[neon leaf]

since when does node:http have docs

[lyric mountain]

since eniac was built

[neon leaf]

is this it?

[lyric mountain]

no, those are headers

[neon leaf]

cant really find anything else

[lyric mountain]

keep searching

[neon leaf]

do I have to use res.on('data', (d) => { console.log(d) })?

[lyric mountain]

that'll just print the request itself

[neon leaf]

I have now went trough every body word on the page and found out how long my post body is

[lyric mountain]

did u try pressing ctrl + space after typing .?

if ur using an IDE* it should show u all the possible attributes

• text editors aren't ides

[neon leaf]

yes

Ok, lemme cut it down, do I need to use a function? aka cube?

[lyric mountain]

cube?

[neon leaf]

cube

aka method

[lyric mountain]

please dont call methods "cubes"

and no, I don't think so

read the last part

[wheat mesa]

I have never heard of a method being called a “cube” before 💀

[neon leaf]

that tells me I have a body somewhere thats just a string

[earnest phoenix]

@neon leaf
https://nodejs.org/docs/latest-v18.x/api/http.html#httprequesturl-options-callback

In a successful request, the following events will be emitted in the following order:
'socket'
'response'
'data' any number of times, on the res object ('data' will not be emitted at all if the response body is empty, for instance, in most redirects)
'end' on the res object
'close'

You need to listen to the data event of the response to get the body of the request, concatenate the data, and finally use it's final value

Although you shouldn't really use the built-in node:http (or node:https) to make such requests because it's not easy to work with and are very low-level as mentioned, you should just use an existing high-level HTTP client such as Undici or Node-Fetch

[neon leaf]

but how can I send the data to a user defined function? Because its an Event it can also take 1 sec and not be sent

[lyric mountain]

they for some reason need to use it for a school project

[earnest phoenix]

Ah, not sure why exactly the built-in modules are needed instead of dependencies but fine

[earnest phoenix]

You can use promises to wait for the data to be fully collected, and then send it or use it afterwards

[neon leaf]

my teacher told me that if I could somewhat remake express with node:http that I would be "hired" by him (aka I make apis for the school website and get paid)

[lyric mountain]

after chitty I don't really question anymore

I'm getting worried for american IT students

[earnest phoenix]

That's a very ambiguous request from a teacher, but if it can be pretty simple then I guess that's not too bad

Teachers try not to give you the most random or ambiguous shit ever, or place weird constraints challenge

[neon leaf]

how would I make that a promise?

[lyric mountain]

new Promise(stuff)

dont remember if js uses diamond notation

[neon leaf]

yeah but what do I do in this case of an event?

[lyric mountain]

on("", e => new Promise(stuff with e))

tho aren't events async already?

[earnest phoenix]

You can create a promise using the global Promise constructor and then place the event inside of it, it gives you two methods to control the promise's state, resolve to resolve the promise, reject to reject the promise; an example of this would be:

let body = '';

<Response>.on('data', (data) => {
  body += data.toString();
});

await new Promise((resolve) => {
  <Response>.once('end', resolve);
});

That promise will resolve only when all the data has been collected, which is when the end event is emitted, so then you can use the body variable in this case, as it holds all the data

[neon leaf]

where would I need to put that? it currently results in infinite loading

[quartz kindle]

in a function

you can create a promise using the new Promise() constructor, and a function that returns a promise is the same as an async function

so put it in a function and return the promise

function bla() {
    return new Promise(...)
}

then you can do await bla() elsewhere

inside the promise you can process the http response, collect the data and resolve it once the stream ends

[earnest phoenix]

x

[hidden gorge]

does anyone use electron?

[wheat mesa]

don’t ask to ask, just ask

[hidden gorge]

im using electron and i keep getting this

https://hastebin.com/okucumapej.coffeescript

@royal portal

[wheat mesa]

Just so you know, you can’t magically require something from electron and expect it to work

There is no such thing as app in electron

You have to create a variable called app, I presume you’re looking at an online tutorial that omitted that step

[quartz kindle]

there is actually, according to the docs

but using .then there makes no sense

the electron official example shows app.whenReady().then(...)

not app.on("ready")

[wheat mesa]

Why would they export app tho

I remember having to create that a while back when I tried doing electron

Ig I forgor

[solemn latch]

https://www.electronjs.org/docs/latest#running-examples-with-electron-fiddle
it might have changed 🤷

[wheat mesa]

I think I just got confused because I normally don’t see lowercase global vars being exported from libraries and frameworks

[hidden gorge]

const Discord = require("discord.js");
const fs = require('node:fs');
const path = require('node:path');
const { Collection, Events } = require('./config.json');
const client = new Discord.Client({
    ws: {
        properties: {
            $browser: "Discord iOS"
        },
    },
   intents: 32767,
});


client.commands = new Collection();```

[ocean jay]

I need some help again https://sourceb.in/se0TNMndpy

[earnest phoenix]

It means that the messages variable can be undefined, so it's type is not feasible into the wanted number type, if you're sure that it'll be a number then you can just do messages as number

[quartz kindle]

json files cannot contain functions

you're trying to load Collection from a json fille

[ocean jay]

o

thanks!

[earnest phoenix]

Also what in the hell are you doing at the first part, looks like something from Yandere Dev

The infamous if else chain

[hidden gorge]

its not

oh wait i am

[lyric mountain]

The whole thing can be switched with an assignment lmao

messages = messagefetch

[earnest phoenix]

Yeah, although it seems like they're doing it so it becomes undefined if it's not the levels they've specified

It's better for them to just use a switch statement

[radiant kraken]

there's no need for that, you can just use Array.prototype.includes

or an if (... === ... || ... === ... || ...)

[earnest phoenix]

The second one is yikes... Isn't a good idea in this case but yeah the array one would work better

[radiant kraken]

but the second one is faster

just throw it in prettier

bam readable code

[earnest phoenix]

It's not "faster" at all

[radiant kraken]

how

[earnest phoenix]

You're literally doing comparisons, just like the comparisons internally done by %Array.prototype.includes%, not any better

A switch statement should be the same performance in this case

[radiant kraken]

it's a bit slower

[radiant kraken]

also a switch statement is basically this

[earnest phoenix]

Well yes because you're working with an object that implements arrays rather than just literals

[radiant kraken]

not blazingly fast 😔

[wheat mesa]

Technically includes is slower even if it’s the same code because you have to advance the stack pointer to a new location 🤓👆

[earnest phoenix]

@radiant kraken @wheat mesa actually did a million iteration benchmark and it seems like the %Array.prototype.includes% approach is faster than the if (... === ... || ... === ...) approach

Although my offered approach, the switch statements are the fastest :^)

[wheat mesa]

I feel like v8 purposely makes your code slower just to prove that using the built in api for everything is faster 😉

[earnest phoenix]

Oh no our tricks are exposed!

[wheat mesa]

Blazingly tricky

Where’s my v8 Halloween update with a fake segfault to scare me

[earnest phoenix]

That's the spirit, it's secret so it would be scary

[surreal sage]

this isn't ts or js right?

(not my code)

[wheat mesa]

This is… what the fuck

It’s SUPPOSED to be javascript, but either it’s a joke or that person genuinely has no idea what they’re doing

[surreal sage]

I def think it's the second

Guy said he moved from py

[wheat mesa]

And judging from the fact it seems like a roblox script, I’m going to assume they are 12 years old and trying to become a script kiddie

That’s python mixed into javascript for literally no reason and no explanation

[surreal sage]

They wish js-py combos exist I suppose

2 very different languages

[surreal sage]

noblox is a js "self bot" lib (not against their tos)

[wheat mesa]

Highly doubt that an automated bot is not against their tos tbh

[surreal sage]

Well their API docs are wide open, discussions about self bots n api on their own forums

Automatic group ranking bots etc

[hidden gorge]

this is who he is

[surreal sage]

[wheat mesa]

If it’s like an actual player bot (looking at the code it doesn’t seem like it) then I would assume it is

But yeah if it’s just for API stuff it’s probably fine

[surreal sage]

It's getting the group rank of a player

[wheat mesa]

damn you guys are like 3 years behind the curve on memes

I remember laughing at that shit in middle school

[surreal sage]

he ain't wrong

[wheat mesa]

So more like 5 years now

[hidden gorge]

@wheat mesa from the looks of its uses roblox api to get the rank of the user of a group and sends it back to the bot

[surreal sage]

I saw that shit like 2-3 years ago

"sends back" is not really a thing but technically yes

[hidden gorge]

u know what i mean

[surreal sage]

[wheat mesa]

Sends back is correct enough

[surreal sage]

[wheat mesa]

API request -> response

[surreal sage]

^

Ain't a web socket

[hidden gorge]

basically saying

rank = random shit code here

console.log(“shitty api response here”)

[surreal sage]

GET = READ
POST = WRITE
DELETE = DELETE 😒

PATCH = Frequently used to overwrite/update

Unnecessary info 😃

[wheat mesa]

Doesn’t mean that “send back” isn’t technically valid

You make a request, the server sends back a response

[surreal sage]

Which characters besides numbers have the lowest bit value?

[wheat mesa]

Wdym?

Like ascii values?

[surreal sage]

I believe so

[wheat mesa]

\0

The null terminator char

Most commonly used in memory to signify the ending of strings

[surreal sage]

text character*

[wheat mesa]

Then it’s !

[surreal sage]

abcde etc

[wheat mesa]

Ok hold on

[surreal sage]

I'm optimizing a script in a language that does not have memory features like JavaScript

Trying to have variable addresses tiny

(lua)

capital A?

[wheat mesa]

A character is going to take up the same amount of memory no matter what

[surreal sage]

.

Skeeter = Better?

shorter*

[wheat mesa]

No

[surreal sage]

Double language autocorrect

[wheat mesa]

Most languages either use 1 byte or 2 bytes for characters

1 byte supports all standard ASCII values, 2 is used for Unicode

[solemn latch]

I assume js uses two?

Or is it smart

[wheat mesa]

Depends on the character I’m sure, v8 might pack the memory if it fits in an ASCII value or something like that

[solemn latch]

I wouldn't be surprised if its dynamic. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not.

[wheat mesa]

Yeah

Could go either way

Or classic 8 byte string pointer 🧌

[earnest phoenix]

It's actually dynamic, V8 is very aggressive on picking the type appropriate for a JavaScript value

[wheat mesa]

Figured so

[surreal sage]

Eh what I was planning would do little to no change at all

Maybe a thousandth of a millisecond

[wheat mesa]

Character value does not change the amount of memory it takes up unless it is a non ascii character

In which case it would likely use twice the amount of memory

[surreal sage]

World of programming

[wheat mesa]

It’s not too difficult to think about

Characters are represented as numbers

Numbers take bits to represent

The English alphabet fits all within one byte

(Each character, that is)

But since there are more than 256 characters in the world, a 2 byte standard called Unicode exists

Which can store 65536 unique values (technically more because of encoding or something like that, idk)

Tim is gonna come in and blow my mind

[quartz kindle]

the js language spec represents all characters as utf-16, so 2 bytes per char, but js engine implementations do their own thing under the hood to improve efficiency

speaking of which, utf-8 is surprisingly petty inefficient memory-wise

but i think it was done purposefully to be faster to encode/decode or something

there are a lot of wasted bits

also fun fact, these are all the different string types in v8

as voltrex said, very aggressive

[lyric mountain]

And people say java has long names

[wheat mesa]

I’ve seen longer

https://github.com/zxlooong/jdk16045/blob/master/com/sun/java/swing/plaf/nimbus/InternalFrameInternalFrameTitlePaneInternalFrameTitlePaneMaximizeButtonWindowNotFocusedState.java

[quartz kindle]

🤦

[lyric mountain]

I don't acknowledge that dev

Tf is that

[quartz kindle]

that, my friend, is java

[lyric mountain]

No, that's swing

[wheat mesa]

technically part of the jdk!

[lyric mountain]

Swing is a terrible interface api, but it does represent Java

They just added it to the jdk bcuz fuck it

[wheat mesa]

swing is honestly.... interesting

java deserves better than swing

[desert kindle]

guys

[lyric mountain]

I'm still waiting for a decent gui lib to pop, feels like everyone accepted swing as is

[wheat mesa]

yeah

even intellij didn't want to bother fucking with a new gui lib

literally built their entire ide in swing

[desert kindle]

I can't quite understand how functions work with Promises in js I just started learning a day ago

[wheat mesa]

A little bit of an advanced topic for a beginner, but basically they're part of the async api built into javascript

[lyric mountain]

Well then don't start from the middle

Start from the base basics

[wheat mesa]

Yeah

[desert kindle]

Oh

[wheat mesa]

Promises are a little bit complex

[lyric mountain]

Damn does noone start with a calculator or hello world nowadays?

[desert kindle]

I didn't know they were ok thx

[wheat mesa]

idk :C

[desert kindle]

I already done that and other things but

bruh what guide should I watch

[lyric mountain]

None

[wheat mesa]

None of them

[desert kindle]

I think this isn't in proper order yeah

[wheat mesa]

Don't get stuck in tutorial hell

[desert kindle]

tutorial?

[lyric mountain]

Pick a goal, break it into smaller parts and complete until you finish the whole thing

[quartz kindle]

do you know what are callbacks?

[desert kindle]

in python yes

idk about js

[quartz kindle]

probably the same

promises are the same thing as a callback

[radiant kraken]

nah, everyone immediately jumps to the most advanced projects as if they think they know more things than they actually do

Dunning Kruger effect moment

[quartz kindle]

promises are like tasks in py afaik

or futures, or whatever its called

i dont really know py

[desert kindle]

I understood promises

But

if I don't understand how I can make an async function return a promise in js

[quartz kindle]

two ways

[desert kindle]

Fine, where can I learn them, if it's not too hard for a beginner ig

[quartz kindle]

async function bla() {} // this function automatically returns a promise, because its an async function
function abc() {
  return new Promise(...) // this function explicitly returns a promise
}

// both are equal
await bla()
await abc()
bla().then(...).catch(...)
abc().then(...).catch(...)

[lyric mountain]

The bucket fallacy

You find a beautiful, pristine mountain lake with the refreshiest water u ever drank.
The mountain is far away tho, so you need to choose a bucket to gather that water.

Beginners will choose the biggest, badassest looking bucket to carry the most water at once

They struggle to carry the full bucket tho, making them trip and fall down the mountain

[radiant kraken]

imagine using a bucket

just drink it directly

ezpz

[desert kindle]

Why would you need a bucket

just use your hands 💀

[wheat mesa]

You’re trying to use the bucket right now

Lol

[lyric mountain]

Slow and steady, a code a day keeps the insanity away

[desert kindle]

I already know that

[radiant kraken]

*a line of code a day keeps insanity away

[lyric mountain]

Ah yes

[quartz kindle]

then im pretty insane already

[desert kindle]

is there like any website that teaches you java

[quartz kindle]

tons

[desert kindle]

Through application

[lyric mountain]

Lmao buddy, that's a funny beginner mistake

[desert kindle]

and not just reading/watching

[lyric mountain]

Don't call js java

[quartz kindle]

probably

[desert kindle]

javascript

js

mb

[quartz kindle]

these days you can find everything

[lyric mountain]

I don't recommend tutorials because you get dependant on them

[radiant kraken]

every indian website

[quartz kindle]

js is one of, if not the, most popular language at the moment, so yeah you will likely find tons of practical js guides/courses

[lyric mountain]

All languages are the same, what you need is to know the logic

[quartz kindle]

i never used any, but i heard people recommending codecademy and udemy

[desert kindle]

then what do u recommend using

[radiant kraken]

Rust

[lyric mountain]

Pick a goal, like, "I'm gonna make Snaker (the snake game)"

Start breaking it up, "Ok, how will I make the map?"

[desert kindle]

python and lua are soooo easy like how can a language be more beginner friendly

[lyric mountain]

Well...

[quartz kindle]

js is the same lol

if not easier

[lyric mountain]

Python is a snake in macaroni disguise

[desert kindle]

I need the basics for that? Like I barely know the most basic things

[quartz kindle]

im pretty sure js is easier than python

[radiant kraken]

indentation moment

[lyric mountain]

It feels easier, but can snowball very easily if u make mistakes frequently

[desert kindle]

Sorry what 💀

do you know python?

[lyric mountain]

Exactly, snaker is a very simple game

[quartz kindle]

not fluently, but i've seen a lot of things in python that doesnt exist in js

[radiant kraken]

then port it to js

[desert kindle]

like what

[lyric mountain]

But unless you focus on smaller parts, you get overwhelmed

[wheat mesa]

imo, python is a terribly designed language and should only be used for scripting, not full on projects

[lyric mountain]

I always make a snaker when starting a new lang

[desert kindle]

That's why I'm switching/shifting to js

[radiant kraken]

wdym? It forces you to write clean code

[desert kindle]

that's true tho

[lyric mountain]

Because it involves async, collections, oop, arrays, keyboard integration and random generators

[radiant kraken]

unless you code using notepad

[lyric mountain]

So u get a soup of concepts in a single project

[quartz kindle]

js doesnt have decorators for instance

js doesnt care about indentation

[radiant kraken]

also operator overloading

[quartz kindle]

js sync/async concepts are simpler and straight forward, python has more options for different kind of things

python has better threading tho

threading in js is pretty limited

[desert kindle]

decorators shouldn't be an issue at all

[radiant kraken]

@earnest phoenix decorators in ECMAScript when

[lyric mountain]

Regarding async, yesterday I found a funny dumb thing in delphi

[desert kindle]

python seems more logical, but if you mess something up at a moment your whole thing is messed up with it

[lyric mountain]

Sleep(millis) freeze the application itself, not the thread

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[lyric mountain]

It's a fuckin global sleep

[quartz kindle]

doesnt python also have a global sleep?

[radiant kraken]

native C moment

[lyric mountain]

Who was the psycho that thought that'd be a good idea

[desert kindle]

bro why do you even need a promise to tell if there's an error is that like for debugging?

[lyric mountain]

I hate delphi, but it pays me so I have to tolerate it

[radiant kraken]

it's useful if you're writing a single threaded application

[desert kindle]

It does

[quartz kindle]

depends on the context of the error

there is a very clear separation between sync code and async code, when you start going for async code, some things are indeed handled differently

[radiant kraken]

await new Promise(res => setTimeout(res, Number.MAX_SAFE_INTEGER));

bam global sleep

[wheat mesa]

no

[quartz kindle]

its still an async sleep, so non-blocking :^)

[wheat mesa]

indentation controlling scope is unclear and causes issues that are easily solved with explicitly used curly braces

[radiant kraken]

smh js

[quartz kindle]

also, timeouts dont support max safe integer

timeouts are limted to 32bits

[lyric mountain]

Wait

[radiant kraken]

0xFFFFFFFF then

[lyric mountain]

What...what's the size of js "ints"?

[radiant kraken]

8 bytes afaik

[desert kindle]

well in python, you can write a whole function that can be very long in two lines

[quartz kindle]

everything in js is doubles

[radiant kraken]

they use double

[lyric mountain]

Holy

[desert kindle]

which is useless

[quartz kindle]

in js you can write a 100k line program in a single line lel

[lyric mountain]

Btw, 0x7FFFFFFF

[radiant kraken]

triple datatype when

[desert kindle]

and if you do that they'll tell you it doesn't look like js won't they

[quartz kindle]

they will tell you you're either crazy, or your code was minified

[lyric mountain]

I bumped at that thing once, always thought int would go to full Fs

[desert kindle]

why do you guys always put the '}' in a new line

[lyric mountain]

But that'd be for uint

YES

[radiant kraken]

unsigned >>> signed

[quartz kindle]

since js was made for the web, minified js is pretty normal

but nobody codes in minified js lol

they just minify it after its done

[radiant kraken]

I do

[lyric mountain]

I know someone who does

[quartz kindle]

personal preference

[lyric mountain]

"single char variables to save space"

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[desert kindle]

How much "js" do you need to know before going into bot developping in js

[radiant kraken]

100% js

[lyric mountain]

Enough to know what ur doing

[quartz kindle]

there are lots of people here who made bots with zero js knowlege lmao

they learned along the way

[lyric mountain]

U don't need to go internal, but u need to be familiar with the lang

[radiant kraken]

or even zero programming knowledge

[wheat mesa]

[desert kindle]

You mean 100% js basics because 100% js includes literally everything

[quartz kindle]

general programming/logic knowlege is more important that knowing the actual language syntax imo

because syntax is easy to learn if you know the concept of what you want to do

[wheat mesa]

I think that anybody asking for advice on where to start on js needs to learn the syntax though tbf

[radiant kraken]

I mean it makes sense when your language stores variable names like JS or Python

[wheat mesa]

Because I see way too many people in here with "how do I fix this" and it's a basic SyntaxError

[lyric mountain]

excuse me?

[wheat mesa]

or people making command handlers and not understanding how parameters are passed in js

[desert kindle]

what our teacher tells us every single Tuesday and Thursday

[lyric mountain]

It's true

[desert kindle]

I found out it was

[lyric mountain]

If you learn programming, you automatically can use any language

[radiant kraken]

global["variableName"] moment

[lyric mountain]

But if u learn a language, u get stuck to it

Languages are just different flavors of 1s and 0s

[desert kindle]

Learning programming means adapting to the situation

[quartz kindle]

but if you learn both, you become a god

learn programming and learn a single language in depth

[radiant kraken]

Like me

[desert kindle]

you would just type and find words, click those words and view what they return

[radiant kraken]

[quartz kindle]

rusty

[desert kindle]

etc until you know the whole damn language

Prehistoric way of learning a language

[lyric mountain]

You don't need to memorize the words, that's what google's for

U just need to know what you need to do X

Then u search for it

[desert kindle]

bruh

[desert kindle]

It's like I never sent this messgae

[quartz kindle]

software engineers in 2022:
googles how to split a string (because they forgot the syntax)

[radiant kraken]

so true

[desert kindle]

what is .split in js

in python it's quite easy

[quartz kindle]

a method to split a string

[radiant kraken]

it splits

[lyric mountain]

In python it's reversed

Oh wait, that's join

Iirc

[radiant kraken]

python being stupid as usual

[desert kindle]

No I meant

bro

[radiant kraken]

no, it's the same

[desert kindle]

python uses that too the

[lyric mountain]

", ".join(arr)

[desert kindle]

Ig so

[quartz kindle]

wat

[radiant kraken]

.join !== .split

[lyric mountain]

Ik

[quartz kindle]

you cant join a string

[lyric mountain]

I remember one was inverted

[quartz kindle]

you join an array lol

[lyric mountain]

In python it's the inverse

Join is a string method

That joins an array

[radiant kraken]

why would they do such a thing

it's such a shit way to implement .join

[quartz kindle]

"a.b.c".split(".") = ["a","b","c"].join(".") = "a.b.c"

[lyric mountain]

Did u see how to write a main method already?

[radiant kraken]

if __name__ == "__main__":

[desert kindle]

bro why

Just why

[lyric mountain]

That's python without noodle disguise

[desert kindle]

super().innit()

oops

[desert kindle]

without this most async functions wouldn't work lmao

[quartz kindle]

so in python you do ".".join(["a","b","c"]) ??

[lyric mountain]

Yes

[desert kindle]

for what

[quartz kindle]

what the fek

[lyric mountain]

Check the docs if u don't believe lul

[quartz kindle]

what about split? is it ".".split("a.b.c") ?

[lyric mountain]

Split is normal

[desert kindle]

what?

[quartz kindle]

ah

[desert kindle]

No wtf

[lyric mountain]

Also iirc, no switch-cases

[quartz kindle]

py doesnt have switch?

[lyric mountain]

Lemme check

[quartz kindle]

isnt switch like, as basic as an if?

[lyric mountain]

Nope, no switch

Only elif

[quartz kindle]

even C has switch

[desert kindle]

they're all defined

Exactly

functions are very easy to define

[wheat mesa]

yet another reason why python is a terribly thought out language

[lyric mountain]

Java mobile app developer 💀

[desert kindle]

Seems like u hate it

[wheat mesa]

feels like someone had the "wonderful" idea of making a language entirely controlled by whitespace and then just threw in the rest of the features as an afterthought

[lyric mountain]

Turing complete YAML

[quartz kindle]

lol

[wheat mesa]

even the most basic things like lambdas are terrible syntax

lambda x:

you have to literally do that

so disgusting

python is just trying to be unique in areas that it shouldn't

that's my opinion

[lyric mountain]

Lambda as in, equivalent to x -> { }?

[quartz kindle]

at least it isnt js thats being hated on this time :^)

[wheat mesa]

Yeah

[lyric mountain]

Lmao

[desert kindle]

Yes

[wheat mesa]

Also they made it too beginner friendly

Probably the #1 choice for beginners, which is an awful idea imo

[desert kindle]

why lol is it always being hated on in this server

[wheat mesa]

Since it's so much different than every other language out there

[lyric mountain]

Snake disguised as a noodle

[quartz kindle]

but there is something that only PHP has and nobody else

die()

:^)

[lyric mountain]

Explode()

[quartz kindle]

lmao yes

[desert kindle]

I wish I started with js

now that I see the difference

I just wanna do

[desert kindle]

this

[lyric mountain]

Any c-like lang is a good starter

Cuz u learn the majority of the syntaxes

[desert kindle]

POV u start with C++

[quartz kindle]

js has historically been hated for being too easy and for having performance issues, so people would often get flamed for taking the easy way out and making a bad/slow solution in js instead of a proper solution in a different lang

but today thats mostly not the case anymore

js engines are stupid fast

js still gets some hate for its dynamic type system

from people who love static types

but now there is also typescript so they dont complain anymore

[lyric mountain]

I mean, js suffers a lot from what java suffers nowadays

That is legacy support

Both langs had a dark past, but can't forego it cuz backwards compat

[desert kindle]

each language has its own fields of usage

[quartz kindle]

python also has this issue where compatibility completely breaks on every single python version

[wheat mesa]

python also has this issue called speed

[desert kindle]

C# and C++ are mostly used for scripting in making games

[lyric mountain]

Python sacrificed it's ancestors to have a fluent language

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[lyric mountain]

Except it didn't work as expected so now all ancestors are dead and descendants are weirdos

[quartz kindle]

a lot of langs became popular because something big pushed them

for example C# started being used by game engines

js has always been used in the web

these things keep pushing the lang forward

the use case made the lang, almost literally

actually literally for js

python was very popular for writing shell scripts

php for servers

every single webserver had to have php

[wheat mesa]

python is good for scripting, but people try to make it into an all purpose language that it just isn't

[lyric mountain]

Fun when u learn what php means

[quartz kindle]

poop haha poop

[wheat mesa]

professionally hated programming

[desert kindle]

I wonder how much knowledge you have once you've learned python, javascript, C, C++, C#, LUA, HTML/CSS and json

[lyric mountain]

Html 💀

Well, programming is programming regardless of language

[quartz kindle]

i never got into python because i dislike the indentation system

never got into lua either because never needed it

[lyric mountain]

U get more proficient in those langs, but your overall programming knowledge improves globally

[desert kindle]

I mean not only coding languages but also HTML CSS and JSON

[wheat mesa]

I'd say I've learned javascript, C++, C#, Rust, Java, and typescript to a relatively confident degree

But I'm by no means an expert

[lyric mountain]

Except if u refuse to improve your technics, that is

[quartz kindle]

json is like dead easy lol, its not even a language, just a storage format

[wheat mesa]

Yeah json is just key:value

[desert kindle]

who said it was a language

[quartz kindle]

well you included it with the others

[wheat mesa]

another language I hate: lua

sorry not sorry

[quartz kindle]

you just hate brazil

[lyric mountain]

Me when I tell my gf she's number 1 in my priorities array

[quartz kindle]

racist

[desert kindle]

"included"? when there was HTML, CSS, C++ and python? lol

[lyric mountain]

Lua devs: ❤️
Other devs: 💀

[radiant kraken]

so true

[desert kindle]

I don't get it

IdkLua

[radiant kraken]

roblox cringe

[quartz kindle]

i meant this

[lyric mountain]

Read with my other msg

It'll make sense

[quartz kindle]

included as in something important worth learning

[wheat mesa]

I love brazil

[lyric mountain]

Arrays start at 1 in lua

[wheat mesa]

lua 🧌

[lyric mountain]

But 0 in almost any other language

[desert kindle]

isn't it worth learning, such an easy thing to learn to help you with js

[wheat mesa]

I'll make it 1 in my language

[lyric mountain]

Except delphi, because delphi starts at 0 or 1 depending on context

[wheat mesa]

to fuck with people

[lyric mountain]

Fuck delphi

[wheat mesa]

and I'll just make 0 return null and not an error

the benefits of making your own language is that you get to do as much trolling as you wish to

[quartz kindle]

yes, json is important, but i meant that json is something you learn in 5 minutes, completely different from html and css which actually take time and skill

[radiant kraken]

make it a constant like -0x8DFE26A

[desert kindle]

Lua starts with 1?? 💀

[wheat mesa]

yeah

"beginner friendly"

[desert kindle]

Bruh what

That's so messed up

[desert kindle]

human stupidity friendly

at this point

[lyric mountain]

I used to make mods for starbound, funny when I figured I had to use <= instead of < for indexed loop iterations

[quartz kindle]

thats pretty much what arrays in C are, pointers to a random memory location :^)

[radiant kraken]

thank you for making me the first element ❤️

everything is binary moment

it's what makes me love C

i love pointer arithmetic so much

[wheat mesa]

I'd like C if it had a little bit more informative errors

[radiant kraken]

[wheat mesa]

It's just a bit too primitive for my tastes

I'm lazy

[radiant kraken]

that's called Rust

[wheat mesa]

exactly

[quartz kindle]

i dont like pointers, i like bitwise tho

[radiant kraken]

i like pointers

cant live without em

[desert kindle]

gotta sleep my eyes heavy asf rn

bye

[lyric mountain]

But can u make a rose in other languages? ++i++--<<0

[quartz kindle]

working with bits is so awesome, you can come up with new data formats and compress the shit out of things

[lyric mountain]

In groovy u can

[wheat mesa]

Friendship ended ❌ with C compiler
Me 🤝 rust compiler

[quartz kindle]

gn!

[radiant kraken]

based

ilysm waffle

[wheat mesa]

❤️

[quartz kindle]

im gonna make 2 new libs with some code i made for my serializer lul

[radiant kraken]

true

[wheat mesa]

it's actually fun yeah

coming up with bytecode formats is really fun

[lyric mountain]

Aaaaaaat laaaaast
My loooove has come along

[radiant kraken]

just learned about bit-masking recently and i was like how did i not use this earlier

[quartz kindle]

utf56 string compression and variable length float to binary

[lyric mountain]

Utf what?

[wheat mesa]

it's like creating your own encrypted messages

[quartz kindle]

utf56

[radiant kraken]

i love making my own binary files

[quartz kindle]

actually

its utf5/utf6

but utf56 for short

[radiant kraken]

it makes me feel that i've created my own language that everyone sees as gibberish

[wheat mesa]

misleading lol

[lyric mountain]

AH OK, I thought it was 56 bits per char

[quartz kindle]

yup xD

[quartz kindle]

xDD

[wheat mesa]

you could do some serious compression if you created a character format meant exclusively for storing english characters and punctuation and nothing else

[quartz kindle]

thats basically what i do

[radiant kraken]

pov: ASCII

[quartz kindle]

but with a dictionary

[wheat mesa]

Not even ascii

[lyric mountain]

Ain't that windows-something encoding?

[wheat mesa]

less than one byte per char

[radiant kraken]

oh wait

[wheat mesa]

you'd only need what, 4 bits per char? or would it have to be 5

[quartz kindle]

my utf5 is a dictionary-based encoding where the user can set a list of 30 characters they use, and those 30 characters will use 5 bits each

[wheat mesa]

4 bits = 32 combos

26 letters

damn, wouldn't work

you'd need 5 bits

[radiant kraken]

numbers tho

[lyric mountain]

Byte rounding tho

[wheat mesa]

unless you don't have about punctuation

and numebrs

yeah

[radiant kraken]

what about huffman coding

[quartz kindle]

huffman and rle are more traditional compression things, they run through your bytes and put repeating patterns into a dictionary

[wheat mesa]

I’ve figured it out

Change human language to be more compressed

The best way of compression for computer scientists, no work needed!

[lyric mountain]

Ain't that jap/chinese?

[wheat mesa]

No lmao

[lyric mountain]

Kanjis takes only 16 bits

[wheat mesa]

They have massive amounts of unique characters though

[quartz kindle]

chinese is the most compressed language

[lyric mountain]

And can represent whole words

[radiant kraken]

morse code

[lyric mountain]

Sometimes even sentences

[quartz kindle]

they have single characters for everything you can think of

[radiant kraken]

ezpz

[wheat mesa]

The sentences are compressed but since they’re character based languages, wouldn’t it end up taking more space in the long run?

[lyric mountain]

Nope

Kanjis replace whole words

[quartz kindle]

the number of characters are much lower

[lyric mountain]

Not characters

[wheat mesa]

Although I suppose 2 bytes for a whole sentence as opposed to 1 byte for each character is a massive trade off

[radiant kraken]

how many kanji chars are there

[lyric mountain]

Also their alphabets are syllabaries

Like, no A B C, but Ka Ke Ki

[wheat mesa]

I’ve always been curious though since I don’t know how character based languages work, but how do you come up with characters for new words?

[lyric mountain]

So all words are half the size of a regular word

Except for A I U E O

Which are single characters

[radiant kraken]

also N

[lyric mountain]

Forgot that one

There's also the extension character which I don't remember the name

Other than that, 1 char per 2 chars

[radiant kraken]

imagine a chinese keyboard

[lyric mountain]

It's a normal keyboard, but they use autocomplete for everything

I had a jap keyboard

[quartz kindle]

https://www.digmandarin.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/ty2.jpg

[radiant kraken]

i know, but imagine

[wheat mesa]

3 bytes per char essentially

[lyric mountain]

2

[wheat mesa]

106k doesn’t fit in 2 bytes

[lyric mountain]

They take 16 bits per char

[radiant kraken]

that's only like what, 100 characters?

[lyric mountain]

They're made of combinations

Like emojis basically

[wheat mesa]

Ah

[quartz kindle]

utf16 encodes those characters as surrogate pairs, meaning two 16bit special chars make up one 4byte character

utf8 can encode them as 3 or 4 bytes individually

[radiant kraken]

utf8 most based encoding tbh

i see why it's everywhere and for a good reason

[lyric mountain]

The only encoding to defeat mysql

[quartz kindle]

utf8 could be much more efficient

but for some reason they decided to make it that way

[radiant kraken]

it's already good enough imo

[quartz kindle]

yeah

a 4 byte utf8 character can only hold 21 bits

11 bits are wasted

[radiant kraken]

utf21 when

we have utf32 but not utf21

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[lyric mountain]

Utf64 tho

[quartz kindle]

utf32 is a massive waste of space for almost all use cases

unless your language uses 4byte characters exclusively

[radiant kraken]

but it's blazingly fast 🔥 🚀

it's like Rust

[lyric mountain]

Btw, another fun thing that happened st my job

[quartz kindle]

well true

[radiant kraken]

who cares if your program is huge, at least it's fast™️

[lyric mountain]

We recently updated firebird to 4

Did u know firebird now uses int128 for calculations and timestamps?

Now, did u EVER see a language that fuckin supports int128?

[radiant kraken]

Rust

[quartz kindle]

doesnt C and C++ support it?

[radiant kraken]

u128 i128

very limited support

[lyric mountain]

C supports everything

[radiant kraken]

if you code enough

[lyric mountain]

But fckin, wasn't int64 enough?

[radiant kraken]

no

[quartz kindle]

nothing is ever enough for you

[radiant kraken]

can't wait for int4294967296

[lyric mountain]

What even is the max value for int128?

U could store the number of atoms in earth

[radiant kraken]

twice that of int64s

[quartz kindle]

2^128 (over 3.40 × 10^38)

[radiant kraken]

actually not just twice

[radiant kraken]

still not enough for my program

my ints kept overflowing

[quartz kindle]

the range is 0 through 340,​282,​366,​920,​938,​463,​463,​374,​607,​431,​768,​211,​455

[radiant kraken]

[quartz kindle]

Quadruple precision floats can also represent any position in the observable universe with at least micrometer precision.

[radiant kraken]

but you still get 0.3000000000001 when you try to add 0.1 with 0.2

[quartz kindle]

yes

[radiant kraken]

why can't there be math-accurate floats

[quartz kindle]

but this time

its 0.300000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

[radiant kraken]

that's even worse