development

[sharp geyser]

waffle should be the only valid keyword

Pancakes are ass

I only eat em when I can't make waffles

[hard wraith]

I’m done with this… Radio buttons always have a value and a label on the options. And are treated as a singular collection of objects to answer one question or input requirement.

[wheat mesa]

Semicolons are #’s

They look like waffles

I’m all over the language

[ancient nova]

this will create a channel that only my bot will be able to see and nobody else, yes?

[hard wraith]

Breakfast, the language of the future.

[wheat mesa]

BreakfastLang ™️

[sharp geyser]

Idc minus points for not making waffle a valid keyword

[wheat mesa]

I have omelette

That’s the struct keyword

[sharp geyser]

No

Cause you're doing it wrong

do you know what the word deny means?

[wheat mesa]

Soon

[sharp geyser]

Also you're missing the point of denying permissions for everyone else

[wheat mesa]

Pancake is the function keyword :^)

[sharp geyser]

That would only make it so the bot doesn't have permission to view it

[sharp geyser]

I'ma fork your language and make it waffle

[ancient nova]

like this?

[sharp geyser]

Pancakes should never be a thing

[wheat mesa]

Pancakes can be stacked on each other (hence the call stack)

[hard wraith]

See

[sharp geyser]

Try it and see

[hard wraith]

I wanna code with pancakes.

[sharp geyser]

Waffles can be stacked too

[wheat mesa]

flipwhen(ain't raw) serve 15# is an infinite loop printing 15 😉

[sharp geyser]

Okay

[hard wraith]

I love that…

[boreal iron]

So… has speedy been taken over Waffles discord account?

Looks like so

[wheat mesa]

No

Speedy does OS dev and db dev

Not lang dev

[ancient nova]

        // Lets now prompt the user about creating a modLogChannel
        response = await awaitReply(
            message,
            `Do you want the bot to create a customized logging channel that's exclusive to our bot? (Yes, No, True, False)`
        ); if (["y", "yes", "true"].includes(response.toLowerCase()) && response.length <= 256) {
            const customizedChannel = message.guild.channels.create("hater-mod-logs", {
                type: "text",
                permissionOverwrites: [{
                    id: client.user.id,
                    allow: ['VIEW_CHANNEL', 'SEND_MESSAGES', 'READ_MESSAGE_HISTORY']
                }],
                permissionOverwrites: [{
                    id: message.guild.roles.everyone,
                    deny: ['VIEW_CHANNEL', 'SEND_MESSAGES', 'READ_MESSAGE_HISTORY']
                }]
            }); if (customizedChannel) settings.set(message.guild.id, customizedChannel.id, "modLogChannel");
        } else {
            response = await awaitReply(
                message,
                `Do you want to select a logging channel you've already created? (Yes, No, True, False)`
            ); if (["y", "yes", "true"].includes(response.toLowerCase()) && response.length <= 256) {
                response = await awaitReply(
                    message,
                    `Which channel is a mod logging channel? (Ping, Mention, ID)\nThis will be used to log information about changes in the server and/or what the bot is currently doing.`
                ); if (response) settings.set(message.guild.id, response, "modLogChannel");
        };
``` this going to work?

does creating a role is indentical to this but with mesage.guild.roles.create?

helo?

why did everybody die :c

[wheat mesa]

because textwall

And we’re too lazy to read that much

[hard wraith]

I’m on mobile watching House.

[lyric mountain]

why dont u just use buttons?

[wheat mesa]

inb4 “I don’t like them”

[hard wraith]

I don’t wanna read the unformatted wall of text that looks like it’s all a blob on phone… they really need to fix that.

[ancient nova]

no no I actually integrated buttons to some of my commands they're quite okay now

[lyric mountain]

imagine having a straightforward pagination lib at hand's reach

[ancient nova]

but I used response for this command specifically since the bot will also ask you text not only buttons

[hard wraith]

modals

[lyric mountain]

or simply comboboxes

[hard wraith]

Yup

[ancient nova]

WHAT EVEN IS TAHT

[lyric mountain]

combo box, dropdown menu, select menu, whatever u call it

[hard wraith]

So many options other than the appalling and outdated message response.

[boreal iron]

Oh my bad I think it was parm

[proven escarp]

lmao

[boreal iron]

Tf you need a lib for this?

[ancient nova]

okay could anyone please test the server setup please?

I'll be up for testing ur bot anytime u want

[proven escarp]

why don't you do it?

[ancient nova]

my bot is kinda biased towards me with permissions which kinda makes it work only for me sometimes

[proven escarp]

use an alt account?

[ancient nova]

I want to make sure it work for other people as well

[boreal iron]

Create an invite, open your browser in private mode, use the invite to join as random member

[ancient nova]

I would have to reset my pass to my alt which would take some time, I'm asking because I want to save it

if u don't want to then don't do it

[proven escarp]

🤷‍♂️

im just giving you a solution on how to test it yourself so it's faster for you and you can test it however you want

[boreal iron]

Nope, read above

[hard wraith]

When you say biased towards you… have you made your bot ignore permission requirements for your user account?

[proven escarp]

if so that's kinda rigged af

you could literally ban anyone

from any server using the bot

[hard wraith]

I’ve got owner only commands… but they don’t overwrite the permission requirement…

If a command needs admin, and I’m not admin. Even if it will only execute for me, I cannot use it.

[solemn latch]

tbh, biasing perms to prevent yourself from being banned, or allowing you to ban people in servers you dont have permissions in sounds like a good way to get people to not trust your bot.

[proven escarp]

omg it's woo

[proven escarp]

100% agree

[solemn latch]

it might even be a tos violation

[proven escarp]

it is

[hard wraith]

Pretty sure it’s against tos…

Like can’t get your bot verified and gets you banned from the dev portal sort of against tos.

[proven escarp]

sort of

kind of alot against tos

[solemn latch]

process Discord Data in a way that surprises or violates Discord users’ expectations.
Yeah, seems it goes against the discord developer policy.

[hard wraith]

Like I said. Stops it being verified and you get banned from the dev portal 😂

[ancient nova]

yeah lol

[hard wraith]

Yeah I’m ima stop you there.

[solemn latch]

probably not a good idea to admit that here

[ancient nova]

nah it's not like that, I didn't do it on purpose

[hard wraith]

Reverse it. Now.

[ancient nova]

just the way I coded it

[hard wraith]

If you need that for testing… TEST IT IN YOUR SERVER!

[solemn latch]

even if its unintentional its still a violation of discord tos.

[ancient nova]

I made a permission system from 0 to 10 based on what permissions you have
10 is bot owner
bot owner only checks for the owner ID which makes it ignore each permission check

[hard wraith]

My own bot literally can and will ban me for calling woo the N-Word if it was here and had auto mod enabled.

[hard wraith]

This is against tos…

You would be able to use staff only commands in a server you aren’t staff in if they use your bot.

[ancient nova]

it's not like I do
if member.id === message.owner.id in the ban command lmfao they can still ban me

[ancient nova]

no I wouldn't be able to

there are still permission checks in the commands themselves

[hard wraith]

Your permission checks literally in your own words get ignored if you are the owner.

[ancient nova]

the role checks are an additional layer of protection

[ancient nova]

that's why I said it's buggy

[earnest phoenix]

hey all ,

TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'FLAGS')

anyone can help me ?!

[hard wraith]

V14 DJs doesn’t use flags anymore

Be it intents or permissions flags.

[earnest phoenix]

Well, how do I stop it?

[hard wraith]

What’s the part of the bot causing that error? Intents?

[ancient nova]

by each permission check I mean the checks before the owner role
permission tags 0 to 4 are server permissions
user
mod
admin
owner
all of those 4 check for permissions in order to determine what u can do, they can also check if the user auto assigned a role which also bypasses the permission check
server owner tag checks for id, not for permissions since there can be only one true owner

[earnest phoenix]

const client = new Client({ intents: [Intents.FLAGS.GUILDS] });

[ancient nova]

mine is just higher, it automatically calls me the bot owner which is 10 therefore I have a higher permission level than them and can do more with my bot

I still have permissions check IN the commands themselves which makes me unable to do anything

[hard wraith]

https://discordjs.guide/popular-topics/intents.html#the-intents-bitfield

Or…

[ancient nova]

you better read that @hard wraith I spent like 5 minutes writing that

[crystal swallow]

so either you having the 10 permission does nothing or it does do something and its violating TOS no? Though you are explaining this in a very complicated way. Unless the only thing its doing is giving you access to like a test command or something for debug purposes

[hard wraith]

I did. And I don’t care. You described a system violating TOS and I’m telling you to remove it.

[earnest phoenix]

This ran without any problems

thank u

[hard wraith]

NP

[earnest phoenix]

Can you explain what is the importance of IntentsBitField

[hard wraith]

Means you don’t have to know the bitfield number of each intent?

Idk… it’s something DJS implemented to replace how they used to do intents.

[earnest phoenix]

UMmm

[ancient nova]

it's not really doing it, I STILL DON'T HAVE PERMISSIONS
what I mean is, becaue it kinda makes it ignore the permissions it breaks the role check for me

it doesn't mean I can ban someone without perms in a server

[earnest phoenix]

Ok

[ancient nova]

jesus

            const customizedChannel = message.guild.channels.create("hater-mod-logs", {
                type: "text",
                permissionOverwrites: [{
                    id: client.user.id,
                    allow: ['VIEW_CHANNEL', 'SEND_MESSAGES', 'READ_MESSAGE_HISTORY']
                }],
                permissionOverwrites: [{
                    id: message.guild.roles.everyone,
                    deny: ['VIEW_CHANNEL', 'SEND_MESSAGES', 'READ_MESSAGE_HISTORY']
                }]
            }); if (customizedChannel) settings.set(message.guild.id, customizedChannel.id, "modLogChannel");
``` also why doesn't this work?

[crystal swallow]

so then it still sounds like it doesnt do anything which means you should just remove it

[hard wraith]

https://discordjs.guide/creating-your-bot/#creating-the-main-file

[ancient nova]

I'm not going to "just" remove it wtf I spent hours writing that

[crystal swallow]

you spent hours writing something that doesnt do anything?

[ancient nova]

            const mutedRole = message.guild.roles.create({
                data: {
                    name: "Muted",
                    color: "#000000",
                    permissions: []
                }
            }); if (mutedRole) settings.set(message.guild.id, mutedRole.id, "mutedRole");
``` this doesn't work either?

[ancient nova]

it does? it works perfectly, it only breaks for me

[hard wraith]

Because you made it break for you…

[crystal swallow]

you keep saying it doesnt really do anything, so which is it?

[hard wraith]

Is your bot on a GitHub?

[ancient nova]

I said it breaks for me I never said that it didn't do anything

can you help me with my code

[solemn latch]

in what way does it break?

[ancient nova]

it's closed source

[crystal swallow]

then open it 4head

[hard wraith]

I want to see this permission check system to cut the bs and see exactly what it does.

[ancient nova]

it doesn't check roles for me, because of the way I did the number hierarchy 🙂

[ancient nova]

no?

[earnest phoenix]

What are u trying to do

[hard wraith]

SO IM RIGHT! It lets you use any command without having the required permissions in any server.

[earnest phoenix]

Well, after the update the robot can't talk, It has been completely muted 😂

and no errors

[crystal swallow]

so it bypasses a role check, and then what? If that does allow you to do something you couldnt do before, than that violates the TOS, if it doesnt, then it does literally nothing dawg 🤣

[ancient nova]

dude nothing I don't want help with fixing that, and it's not against tos can u just check why my server setup command doesn't work

[hard wraith]

Because you haven’t enabled message content privileges intent on the developer portal.

[wheat mesa]

Is that against ToS?

[ancient nova]

IT'S A FUCKING ROLE CHECK MY BOT STILL HAS A FULLY SEPARATE PERMISSION CHECK

[hard wraith]

Yes.

[crystal swallow]

this is the most troll convo

[earnest phoenix]

Wtf is this conversation

[earnest phoenix]

Is there anything else?

[ancient nova]

I literally cannot fucking do anything in another persons server you guys are trolling me

[wheat mesa]

I don’t believe that’s against ToS unless you’re using it to avoid punishment or something like that

[hard wraith]

THEN SHOW ME THE CODE FOR THAT SYSTEM. You explain everything different each time.

[earnest phoenix]

Guys chill out

[wheat mesa]

My bot has the same system, there’s even a prop in detritus for commands called clientIgnorePermissionsOwner which I always set to true

[hard wraith]

Add the message content intent to the intents in your bot source code.

[ancient nova]

I'm not going to just let you see my work, send me your bots code then

[ancient nova]

thank you

[wheat mesa]

I don’t believe that’s against the ToS unless there’s something I’ve missed

[ancient nova]

it's not idfk what they're talking about

[earnest phoenix]

How is that .

[boreal iron]

On which djs version are you?

[earnest phoenix]

Even if you're giving yourself administrator in guilds where ur bot is it, I'm sure it's not against the ToS at all because the Admins have the responsibility for what the bot does in the server.

[hard wraith]

https://dev.azure.com/JCoNet/Chloe/_git/Chloe

[earnest phoenix]

14

[crystal swallow]

that is def against tos

[earnest phoenix]

Okay explain then

[ancient nova]

I have a permission system that accidentally ignores me because of the number hierarchy system I got going there

ANYWAY

can I please

[hard wraith]

Anything else Bae?

[crystal swallow]

bot cannot do things you dont expect it to do especially in a malicious way like that

[ancient nova]

just get help with my server setup command

[hard wraith]

I don’t hide my bot code.

[boreal iron]

Just show us what you did in your code and explain what you wanna do

[earnest phoenix]

There's no such thing where avoiding check conditions is against ToS ( unless ur abusing the API or misusing the it in which case you're not )

[earnest phoenix]

Listen to me, I don't know anything about djs14

I don't know why the robot does not react to my commands..

[hard wraith]

It does what it says it does, it works how I say it does. And it’s source code can be viewed and have other bots based off it. But some features are protected under patents. But they aren’t implemented yet.

[hard wraith]

Check index.js in my azure link.

[ancient nova]

great. I do not because it's malicous, but becaue it's my work and I don't wanna share it

[rustic nova]

it is

You may not use the APIs in any way to:

scrape any Discord Data;
use Discord Data for any purpose other than as necessary to provide your application;
disclose any user’s Discord Data without their specific, informed consent;
disclose Discord Data to any ad network, data broker, or other advertising or monetization related service;
retain data any longer than necessary for the operation of your application;
contravene Discord’s Privacy Policy;
obtain Discord User passwords to obtain access to Discord Data;
sell, license or otherwise commercialize any Discord Data;
provide or direct services to children under the age of thirteen (13) in the United States or, outside of the United States, the relevant age of digital consent;

** process Discord Data in a way that surprises or violates Discord users’ expectations.**

[earnest phoenix]

That doesn't mean that you'll face consequences

[wheat mesa]

https://discord.com/developers/docs/policies-and-agreements/terms-of-service there is no such thing against the developer Terms of Service

[crystal swallow]

dawg what

[hard wraith]

I haven’t removed it’s need for all intents yet, so use that to find the intents you need.

[ancient nova]

can you guys PLEASE

JUST HELP ME FIX MY CODE

[earnest phoenix]

what do you consider discord data then

[boreal iron]

Well, you gotta need some knowledge to work with the library tbh

[rustic nova]

data obtained from or sent to discord

[ancient nova]

why did I start this massive disscussion 😦

[earnest phoenix]

Ok.. and

[rustic nova]

welcome to top.gg

[boreal iron]

Without showing us what you did in your code we can’t help you

[wheat mesa]

I rest my case then

I was unaware of said clause

[rustic nova]

need a drink? We have apple juice and some mineral water

also a bit of popcorn

[hard wraith]

Because you’re so confusing you basically made your bot both violate tos and not violate tos at the same time in one paragraph.

[ancient nova]

[earnest phoenix]

So who defines if it "surprises or violates the Discord users expectations" as I could just impersonate a case like this to my own advantage

[crystal swallow]

i would assume discord

[rustic nova]

if you tell your users your bot does that, then you aight

then its your users fault

[earnest phoenix]

@boreal iron , Just qus: how add message content intent

[ancient nova]

I said it's a role check, it does bypass the role hierarchy because I made my own permission level be at the very top, however that does not bypass the actual permissions meaning I still can't do anything if I don't explicidly have permission from the server owner

[boreal iron]

Keep in mind to keep things civil, I wanna be able to talk to the other without an useless shit show going on

[earnest phoenix]

yeah so u can just tell em "the bot might be responsible for administrative cases, please acknowledge "

[rustic nova]

but if you eval through your bot finding a guild that has the bot administrator already and gives you an invite (which is violating too) and then give that admin role yourself, it is

[hard wraith]

This is why my bot’s published source code is public.

Can’t hide anything if they can see what it’s running.

[ancient nova]

why would I do that

[rustic nova]

Just stating a possible clause that would allow it

if consent is given, you can do whatever you want

[ancient nova]

well I wanna have a legit bot

but

please

[rustic nova]

as users technically expect that

[ancient nova]

just

[boreal iron]

To listen to guild and direct messages, you need to subscribe both intents, GUILD_MESSAGES and DIRECT_MESSAGES

[ancient nova]

tell me

why

it

does

not

work

[earnest phoenix]

I mean people would have to agree ur conditions which technically means consent is given

[ancient nova]

😦

[earnest phoenix]

Just state it in ur description

lol

[crystal swallow]

thats also not really how that works

[earnest phoenix]

By that logic ofc

[crystal swallow]

comapnies cant legally murder you if they put that in their TOS

[earnest phoenix]

Yes it is, syrutex just defined it

[earnest phoenix]

Oh, yeah, that's what I want to know

[ancient nova]

            const mutedRole = message.guild.roles.create({
                data: {
                    name: "Muted",
                    color: "#000000",
                    permissions: []
                }
            }); if (mutedRole) settings.set(message.guild.id, mutedRole.id, "mutedRole");
``` the role is being created but the saved value is "undefined"

[crystal swallow]

no

[hard wraith]

Well… cigarettes…

[earnest phoenix]

?

[rustic nova]

• bot doesnt have admin
• bot owner doesnt have 2fa and the guild has a 2fa requirement
• bot doesn't have permissions to manage roles

dunno the context though

so

[crystal swallow]

just because something is in the terms of service doesnt mean you can do whatever you want lol

[ancient nova]

it's a server setup command

[earnest phoenix]

yes u can lol because people agree to ur conditions

[ancient nova]

        // Lets now prompt the user about creating a mutedRole.
        response = await awaitReply(
            message,
            `Do you want the bot to create a customized muted role that's exclusive to our bot? (Yes, No, True, False)`
        ); if (["y", "yes", "true"].includes(response.toLowerCase()) && response.length <= 256) {
            const mutedRole = message.guild.roles.create({
                data: {
                    name: "Muted",
                    color: "#000000",
                    permissions: []
                }
            }); if (mutedRole) settings.set(message.guild.id, mutedRole.id, "mutedRole");
        } else {
            response = await awaitReply(
                message,
                `Do you want to select a muted role you've already created? (Yes, No, True, False)`
            ); if (["y", "yes", "true"].includes(response.toLowerCase()) && response.length <= 256) {
                response = await awaitReply(
                    message,
                    `Which role is the Muted Role? (Ping, Mention, ID)\nThis will be used to make the \`-mute\` work. It will assign the role to whichever person you wish to mute.`
                ); if (response && response.length <= 256) settings.set(message.guild.id, response, "mutedRole");
            }
        };

this is the entire thing

[crystal swallow]

are you just ignoring everything i said

[hard wraith]

Bot missing perms

[ancient nova]

it's got admin

[earnest phoenix]

You are ignoring what I said and neither are you backing up with evidence. Guess you'll never be right after all

[rustic nova]

try catch

ez

[ancient nova]

plus it checks if the role was created before saving

[crystal swallow]

i literally just

for the love of god

[rustic nova]

add a few debug lines on your conditions

catch errors on create role

[crystal swallow]

what did you think this was

[wheat mesa]

Me when I don't know how to handle errors

[hard wraith]

Shocking

[rustic nova]

thats past the context of a tos, thats law

[boreal iron]

Okay so, you subscribe to them when creating your client like so:

    const intents = discord.GatewayIntentBits;
    const client = new discord.Client({ intents: [intents.GuildMessages, intents.DirectMessages] });

[earnest phoenix]

🍿

[crystal swallow]

okay, so if i put in my tos that i now own everything you have

well you agreed to it

[boreal iron]

Ignore the mobile format fuck up

[earnest phoenix]

No, Discord owns the data and u can't ( I think ) hence dankmemer sniping was taken off cuz it's a breach

[hard wraith]

TOS is the user’s agreement to what they can and cannot do with your product service as outlined by what it can do.

[rustic nova]

in context to discord, you could technically do that

[crystal swallow]

good luck holding that up in a court of law

[hard wraith]

Tos don’t outline what your bot can do to them.

[wheat mesa]

Terms of service are exactly what they say they are, terms of you using the service. It is not a law, nor can it bypass any laws in wherever you live.

[rustic nova]

• I have the rights over your whole servers and can do whatever I please to

would essentially make you valid

[hard wraith]

That’s like privacy policy etc… and service description.

[rustic nova]

as long as that doesnt violate tos

ofc

[earnest phoenix]

also ,

[hard wraith]

It does.

Sort of.

[wheat mesa]

In the discord ToS, I believe it actually states somewhere that all laws for your area still apply

[rustic nova]

You're getting consent by servers accepting your privacy policy

[hard wraith]

You can’t state that using this bot grants me power to do as I please in your server.

[boreal iron]

Well show your code then, I can’t see what you did

[earnest phoenix]

What I was saying tbh, agreed

[solemn latch]

Which would apply with or without it being in discord tos

[earnest phoenix]

const Discord = require('discord.js');
   const intents = Discord.GatewayIntentBits;
    const client = new Discord.Client({ intents: [intents.GuildMessages, intents.DirectMessages] });
client.login(process.env.TOKEN);
const queue = new Map();
const prefix = "!";
client.on("ready", () => {
  console.log(`${client.user.tag} Logged in !`);
});
client.on('message', message => {
  if (message.content === '+ping') {  
    message.channel.send(`🏓LatLatency is ${Math.round(client.ws.ping)}ms`);
  }
});

...

[crystal swallow]

you agreeing that i own all your possessions now if you use my bot in my TOS isnt breaking a law but you still cant do that lol

[rustic nova]

thats a ethics thing, you can get consent for whatever shit you want and would be aight as users consented

[wheat mesa]

You could only do something like that if it were solely your service, not relying upon any other service like discord

Discord however has a tos in place to prevent things like that

[rustic nova]

you could even say

• I'll join your server, scream around and leave it again at 3PM every Monday

[hard wraith]

You’re missing .flags

[rustic nova]

and is still considered consent

[wheat mesa]

Hence the "surprising users" clause

[hard wraith]

Did you not read the guide I sent

[rustic nova]

a guide not provided by discord?

[boreal iron]

Stop spreading wrong informations

He ain’t missing anything

[hard wraith]

https://discordjs.guide/popular-topics/intents.html#enabling-intents

[earnest phoenix]

I don't know, because this is my first time using Djs 14

[boreal iron]

You don’t miss anything don’t worry

The intent are correct

[solemn latch]

I'm doing this in all of my terms of service from now on

[hard wraith]

He is using intentsbitfield… the docs state his method needs .Flags before the intent name…

[earnest phoenix]

Amazing conversation

[crystal swallow]

this is also ignoring that if discord bothered to read TOS's your bot would most certainly be denied for verification if you tried to pull something slick

[hard wraith]

Which is now confusing me because my bot works using intents without flags but the docs show otherwise…

[wheat mesa]

Believe it or not, it would error if he needed to 😉

[boreal iron]

Dude a last time stop spreading wrong information if you don’t know the lib

[rustic nova]

as long as still in context of discord, otherwise your privacy policy* would be to laugh at and not be serious

essentially:

• you could get any consent from users as long as it is within discord

examples would be:

• I can join all your servers and ping you, then call you a dodo head
• I can ban all your members from the server to keep my bot usage down

some not allowed examples as that would be against tos are:

• I can raid your server every day

[wheat mesa]

Those aren't docs either, that's a hand holding guide for djs

[earnest phoenix]

TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'GuildMessages')

When I put the flag before the intention

ex: const client = new Discord.Client({ intents: [intents.Flags.GuildMessages, intents.Flags.DirectMessages] });

[hard wraith]

I fucking know DJs prick. I’m going off the DJs v14 guide I literally pasted a link to. Yet it’s confusing because the guide shows opposite of what it actually uses…

[crystal swallow]

dont think youre getting away with bypassing the surprising users clause just because its in your tos

[wheat mesa]

It's a guide, not documentation. If you want accurate information, use the OFFICIAL documentation

[crystal swallow]

if some popular bot just like deleted 20000 servers discord is def gonna do something

[rustic nova]

nah since the users consented to you doing that

[hard wraith]

Or refer to tried and tested v14 code

[earnest phoenix]

Exactly what I meant. It has to be within the ToS and once people give consent like if u credit it and make users agree to conditions, you can technically do what they've agreed to that's within the ToS and thus perfectly fine as long as you're not doing stuff like tracking invites or malicious other stuff

[boreal iron]

You literally have no clue what you’re talking about.
The intents are correct as we’re using the gateway intent bits

[rustic nova]

like tracking invites
would again be fine if consent

[earnest phoenix]

True yeah

[hard wraith]

@earnest phoenix refer to this… it works.

[rustic nova]

anything in scope of discord, with consent, is essentially fine

[crystal swallow]

consenting doesnt make it not surprising, youd have a hard time saying you expected all users to read through your entire TOS thoroughly

[rustic nova]

well if they wish to use the bot, yes

you do have consent

as they invited the bot

agreeing to the use of your tos and privacy policy

even if read or not

[earnest phoenix]

this ?

    const client = new Discord.Client({ intents: [intents.GuildMessages, intents.DirectMessages] });

[solemn latch]

That's why tos is on the invite page of a bot

[crystal swallow]

still doesnt make it not surprising lol

[wheat mesa]

there's a difference between actually surprising and legally surprising

[rustic nova]

well, ignoring the ethics part as it would be surprising, but is still fine per tos

[hard wraith]

Yeah try defining it as intent not intents. Going off a hunch looking at the archived code from when my intents didn’t work.

[earnest phoenix]

if people consented to it, I doubt. Also, servers technically can't be deleted but only nuked. But again, if permission for each action e.g deleting channels or changing roles is granted I doubt they would take actions lol. The consent matters not the size

[crystal swallow]

if it would be surprising, then it would not be, per the discord TOS

[wheat mesa]

Legally, you are to assume that the user has read and agreed to your terms of service upon using your service

[rustic nova]

surprising essentially means: "I was never informed about the bot doing this"

[edgy cave]

@rustic nova sorry if im not supposed to be pinging, but is it fine if i ping support team for my issue in #support

[hard wraith]

“I was never informed Facebook did this”

[boreal iron]

this is exactly what I wrote... smh

[crystal swallow]

if you truly believe that then you are more than welcome to go make a bot that fucks people over but put that it does that in your TOS and ill eat my left shoe if discord doesnt do something about it lol

[boreal iron]

there isn't any property called flags in the gateway intents

[rustic nova]

Yes, that would be fine per tos, if I disclose that I do

[earnest phoenix]

   const intent = Discord.GatewayIntentBits;
    const client = new Discord.Client({ intents: [intent.GuildMessages, intent.DirectMessages] });

How do I tell you that the bot does not respond to my commands?? 😂

[rustic nova]

it wouldn't be great for users since they wont invite the bot

but I'd be on the safe side

[crystal swallow]

like i said, more than welcome to test that

[rustic nova]

if they read the tos/privacy policy

sure

[earnest phoenix]

Wanna do it. I'll make a project on Github on an alt and we'll structure and plan ahead.
No surprises, it's all written and formatted properly so users understand.

[crystal swallow]

the TOS is not a magical document that makes you 100% protected against literally anything

[boreal iron]

An event called message doesnt exist anymore, it's called messageCreate

Your intents as I wrote them are still correct

[hard wraith]

Then the guide that tells people how to setup their bot is wrong and I was referring to that. And DJs need to correct it. But you can see my code is right, so fuck off insulting my knowledge of the library when I’m effectively using it already. I however don’t spend my time fucking with my intents when I am trying to make my own node library for handling connections to my api I developed. Thank you kindly.

[rustic nova]

"You're inviting a bot that is the most invasive thing you will expect. Please read carefully to understand what you're inviting:"

"My bot will allow me to create invites of your guild. I will join your servers and annoy everyone within it"

"My bot will also occasionally ban random people I dont like"

"My Bot will allow me to obtain administrative rights through roles it created itself"

this is fine per TOS, as the users consented by inviting my bot, thus not legally making it a surprising thing

[hard wraith]

Legal loopholes. Love it.

[rustic nova]

As long as what I'm doing is still within discords TOS (api abuse etc) I am fine

[hard wraith]

Good luck getting that bot verified tho.

[rustic nova]

well it wont lmao

[crystal swallow]

if you market your bot like that, sure

but if you dont, then thats getting classified as surprising

[earnest phoenix]

client.on('messageCreate', message => {
not working 😄

[earnest phoenix]

Kinda would do if u create 75 servers in total and get them all invited in those

[rustic nova]

It is within my tos and privacy policy, my users definitely would've read that so im legally fine

[crystal swallow]

heres my cool music bot (oh by the way it bans everyone in your server)

[boreal iron]

When you get asked to stop providing wrong informations and confuse people, then there's a reason. That's not the fault of the guide. It's just a guide and not the docs.

[crystal swallow]

yeah good luck with that bro

[rustic nova]

it wont get verified by discord since thats something discord would not like

[hard wraith]

No because they check what your bot does. They won’t approve a bot that does anything super invasive.

And I mean discord verified bot…

[crystal swallow]

okay so if you agree discord wont verify than you are arguing just for the sake of it 🤣

[hard wraith]

Topgg would never test it if they read that description.

[rustic nova]

discord wont verify for their own decision, not a decision made over their TOS

[earnest phoenix]

That's not my point. I'm saying it's easy to get ur bot verified automated =/= its purpose

[earnest phoenix]

Can you write a code ping in djs14

[boreal iron]

Does your console log the ready event?

[crystal swallow]

why not? if its allowed by the tos whats the issue

[hard wraith]

“Code ping”

That could mean so many things…

[earnest phoenix]

over power#4338 Logged in !

[rustic nova]

its a collective decision made by discord then, not their tos

[earnest phoenix]

its working

thank u

[earnest phoenix]

They kinda would if it is unique and has a point and goes by their ToS as well, I promise you this.

[rustic nova]

if it was against their tos, they would tell me that and delete the bot likely

but I would be a decision on their own ethics that they dont want to verify the bot

[hard wraith]

Yes because the bot owner needs admin in all servers their bot is in 🤣

[crystal swallow]

didnt know ethics was a part of bot verification now

[rustic nova]

it is

lik

[boreal iron]

ok, add guilds to your intents, like so intents: [intents.Guilds, intents.GuildMessages, intents.DirectMessages]

[rustic nova]

trust me

it goddamn is

its like partner applications

[hard wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[crystal swallow]

so for all intents and purposes, you cannot do the shit youve been saying you can do and this is a waste of time

[rustic nova]

they decide on their own after their tos

[earnest phoenix]

I mean, to get ur bot verified with the intents/perms on their page they'd want u to have a good reason for it as they state in their top.gg ToS rules

[hard wraith]

“Does it violate tos?” “No” “is the functionality of what the bot does unethical?” “Yes” “DENIED”

[rustic nova]

I rest my case again

• you can do any shit with a TOS and/or Privacy policy as long as users agree to it (inviting, pressing a button after getting hinted towards the tos)
  as long as it is within discords TOS and legal per law

[earnest phoenix]

Yup

[crystal swallow]

you cant lol

[earnest phoenix]

not working 🙂

[earnest phoenix]

Stop trying. Are you the law?

[tacit spruce]

Why i vote the bot once and i got few webhook request?

[crystal swallow]

are you?

[earnest phoenix]

No but I'm certain you aren't either so stop enforcing your thoughts over others.

[hard wraith]

Show full code.

[crystal swallow]

bro what

thought enforcement

thats a new one

[earnest phoenix]

const Discord = require('discord.js');
   const intent = Discord.GatewayIntentBits;
    const client = new Discord.Client({ intents: [intent.Guilds, intent.GuildMessages, intent.DirectMessages] });
client.login(process.env.TOKEN);
const queue = new Map();
const prefix = ".";
client.on("ready", () => {
  console.log(`${client.user.tag} Logged in !`);
});
client.on('messageCreate', message => {
  if (message.content === '+ping') {  
    message.channel.send(`🏓LatLatency is ${Math.round(client.ws.ping)}ms`);
  }
});

[rustic nova]

So I can technically tell any company I agreed to their TOS that I will sue them for what they did mentioned in their tos?

sure

[hard wraith]

You see your issue right?

[crystal swallow]

how did we get from "you cant put literally anything in a TOS" to "i can sue companies for anything"

[rustic nova]

Thats your point, no?

[earnest phoenix]

Yes, where is she? 😂

[rustic nova]

that you can say "I dont like your TOS I will disagree for what I agreed to"

[hard wraith]

Where’s this…

[crystal swallow]

the first half of this sentence is saying that wasnt my point but okay

[earnest phoenix]

i cant see anything from your screenshot :))

[hard wraith]

You can’t handle prefix commands in messageCreate if you can’t read the message content.

You need the MessageContent intent.

[boreal iron]

Just do me a favor and log your message inside the messageCreate event, please

[rustic nova]

that is what I mean, not suing but essentially going against the TOS you agreed to

[hard wraith]

It will return everything except message content.

[crystal swallow]

i mean companies have been sued for bad TOS's so yeah?

[hard wraith]

His bot can’t read the message contents. Because he hasn’t given it that intent in his code.

[crystal swallow]

no company would ever be sued if you could put anything within legal reason

[rustic nova]

well bad TOS, that's not in the scope of what I'm referring to with disagreeing what you previously agreed to

[crystal swallow]

putting anything in a TOS is not in the scope of a bad TOS?

[earnest phoenix]

@boreal iron , @hard wraith Thank you, I will delete the discord now

[hard wraith]

What?

[rustic nova]

Whatever, still have rest my case

[earnest phoenix]

If his ready event executes but message event doesn't then he hasn't given the intents pretty sure

And v13 and v14 address their intents differently which is indeed confusing, also fuck discord docs it's confusing and they don't properly maintain it just like the complaints they receive

[rustic nova]

Up to you if you wish to stay with your opinion

[hard wraith]

Literally said that 4 times…

[crystal swallow]

lol

[hard wraith]

And showed an example from my own bot of how to call intents.

Instead of faffing with the outdated guide…

[earnest phoenix]

I'd just stick to v13

no troubles

[boreal iron]

And v13 and v14 address their intents differently

They do not

[earnest phoenix]

They do, Discord has done a change to whatever I've seen when I went to the v14 docs and upgraded by accident

[hard wraith]

They really do.

[boreal iron]

The intent bit field always is as the API excepts it

[hard wraith]

Read the damn intent bitfield guide.

That’s using the v13 method when v14 is different.

[crystal swallow]

from the update guide

[boreal iron]

They just changed the way how you do the bitwise operations

[earnest phoenix]

Yup

[crystal swallow]

thats being pedantic

[hard wraith]

But all in all… the issue with his commands not working… he never included intent.MessageContent so couldn’t read the command in the messages the user sent.

[earnest phoenix]

@hard wraithCan you give me all your intentions in a message? Because I don't see them in the screenshot

[boreal iron]

Yes this is exactly the same as before, where gatewayintentbits represents the bitfield, the enums literally store the bitfield

[hard wraith]

https://dev.azure.com/JCoNet/Chloe/_git/Chloe?path=/app.js

[earnest phoenix]

404 - Page not found

[boreal iron]

you use the enums instead of lettings djs parse the flags for you

[crystal swallow]

the point is you have to change the code from v13 to v14

[boreal iron]

lmao

[crystal swallow]

which is obviously whats being discussed

[hard wraith]

Try it now.

[earnest phoenix]

working

[boreal iron]

that's what you consider as breaking change

oh god...

[crystal swallow]

who are you talking to

[hard wraith]

Azure repo URLs are different to GitHub 😂

[ancient nova]

I made the greatest ever setup command

like it's literally beautiful

it's so easy to use

[hard wraith]

Better than passing in a command and it using modals?

[ancient nova]

100%

like I'm not biased right now I actually like modals and buttons

[hard wraith]

Cus I doubt that. Cus I’m still waiting on them to fully support modals as it will be the best method for handling things like setup commands.

[ancient nova]

but I actually made that so good

[ancient nova]

I will maybe add an option to do that in the chat or a modal later

[hard wraith]

Or in command options like channel, user and role selectors.

[ancient nova]

but that's actually soo good

do you wanna test it? I wanna hear people's opinion on it

[hard wraith]

From what I’ve heard your bot gives you full perms in any server it is in, so no.

[boreal iron]

Tf you now like interactions from hating them yesterday?
Impressive change

[hard wraith]

Probably learnt how to effectively use them. That’s usually what converts people.

[wheat mesa]

Probably actually tried them instead of refusing to try it*

[boreal iron]

I remember that has been suggested like… uhm 1000 times

[hard wraith]

Buttons are so inferior in my case because they just have unique ID… so you have to then have a messy button handler for every button ID… like if I have buttons I wanna be able to pass in “ID” and “Function”

Like so I can use the accept ID for multiple button interaction sending commands.

[ancient nova]

create a temp one you can delete it later

[ancient nova]

started getting better at using buttons

[hard wraith]

Not always possible…

[ancient nova]

[ancient nova]

what do you mean?...

[hard wraith]

There are many reasons to have multiple permanent messages with accept and deny buttons.

Buttons just aren’t as effective as slash commands in my opinion due to the limitations of the data they hold and can pass to the interaction handler.

[boreal iron]

That’s the basic idea of your interaction handler, you simple filter both possible interaction types, either it’s a command -> command handler or any interaction caused by component -> component handler
Both the commands and components being thrown into own modules

That’s the basic interaction handler

[ancient nova]

can anyone test it then? 🙂

[boreal iron]

I feel like you need to pay somebody to do so

It will end up like that

[crystal swallow]

i would love the chance to break someones bot

[boreal iron]

Then go for it

[hard wraith]

I know! But you’re missing the point. You have two embeds with accept and deny for tos and privacy. The id for the buttons on both are accept and deny. I want the ability to in the button include something that links it to the embed’s function.

[earnest phoenix]

RangeError [BitFieldInvalid]: Invalid bitfield flag or number: MANAGE_MESSAGES.

I think we have another round? 😦

[hard wraith]

Else… slash commands are the better way to go as you have /accept (choice menu of all embeds you can accept in the guild)

Or the select menu message interaction…

Or a modal…

Discord added buttons and they are great for temporary things… but they are limited in what they give you to handle with.

[boreal iron]

You have that since the component interaction includes your message and it’s embed and contents as properties
Which makes it easy to identify which one being used

Easier than that is to work with the message ID

As the interaction provides which original message it has been used on

Which is in your case either the first or second embed

[earnest phoenix]

hey

i have a round

[boreal iron]

[earnest phoenix]

[boreal iron]

Wut manages messages

your trying to pass a permission flag to your intents?

Tf

[hard wraith]

Ok yes that way yes… I guess I just stopped using buttons when they became redundant for my use needs so never looked at their docs in detail.

[lyric mountain]

That's why I made a pagination lib

[earnest phoenix]

Yes, I am trying to update my codes, so from another account that does not have any roles for something that needs this permission

[lyric mountain]

Devs only have to care about passing functions to the buttons, my lib handles all the rest

[ancient nova]

wonder if u can

my bot is well written

if u can

I'll give u my 2 months xbox pass

[hard wraith]

I ended up making my own content moderation lib because Google and Azure both have ones and their user friendliness and docs were atrocious

So I just customised requests to their api using my lib to return user friendly methods and responses. 😂

[boreal iron]

Guess you need to take an hostage

[hard wraith]

I asked to see code. I will test your bot if I can see the code it’s running. Because after your confusing confessions earlier I don’t trust it.

[crystal swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/bring-money-bring-me-the-money-ey-yey-celebrate-gif-17443136

[hard wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-maguire-show-me-the-money-tom-cruise-gif-10570851

[ancient nova]

I won't show you the backbone of my system, but that's the primary snippet that checks for the permission ```js
// This checks the level of the command and the level of the user
// and decides whether or not to execute it.
if (level < container.levelCache[cmd.conf.permLevel])
return message.channel.send(You do not have permission to use this command. Your permission level is ${level} (${config.permLevels.find(l => l.level === level).name})! And this command requires level ${container.levelCache[cmd.conf.permLevel]} (${cmd.conf.permLevel}));

and level is the users level, 0 to 4 is the guilds levels
since mine is 10 I can technically bypass this prompt

good enough?

[boreal iron]

Do you actually write the comments yourself?

[ancient nova]

yeah

[boreal iron]

Or is that some sort of cursed AI

Damn

[ancient nova]

is it that bad

never actualy expected to share this snippet

[hard wraith]

Yeah but I literally can link you to the backbone of my bot, you only hide that stuff if you’re hiding something. Or it’s copyrighted…

[ancient nova]

so I didn't care to make it sound coherent

[ancient nova]

it's not I just don't want to share my work

[crystal swallow]

i want xbox give me the bot

[hard wraith]

Right because I’m gonna steal your bot code when I’m developing a different system… that’s open source…

[boreal iron]

That’s okay but this channel still isn’t the right place to beg for testers

[hard wraith]

🤦 I just want to see your bot isn’t gonna fuck me over when I invite it because you post all trust and credibility when you said your bot breaks on the permission handler because of something you made.

That is basically useless once you count the fact commands now have default member permissions built into them…

You don’t need to check for permissions anymore… you just require a minimum permission. Or create guild commands to only work for specific roles.

Permission handlers are for non interaction based commands.

[boreal iron]

What

[hard wraith]

Self made permission handlers*

[boreal iron]

Permissions handlers are also for app commands

You don’t simply rely on guilds managing the permissions

For the commands

[hard wraith]

App commands I haven’t looked at. But she is using slash commands. Making something she claims to have spent hours on redundant.

[boreal iron]

lol

Slash commands = application commands

[ancient nova]

what do you think bots can actually do

[hard wraith]

A lot…

[ancient nova]

it's not I can magically steal your token or something lmfao

[hard wraith]

I mean…

[ancient nova]

and I don't have slash commands so not gonna create anything in your server

[hard wraith]

If your bot had a dashboard you log into with discord then you could steal my token by handling it incorrectly.

[ancient nova]

I don't have a dashboard my website only has 1 button to invite the bot

[hard wraith]

But that’s just how logging into websites with discord work… bad code and your account token is stuffed…

[ancient nova]

well that's not about discord bots is it

a bot by itself can't do much

[hard wraith]

It’s the same api

[boreal iron]

The OAUTH flow itself can’t get your token stolen

Because it’s never been shared

[hard wraith]

True. It’s how the person using it in their code can make it store your token and use that.

[ancient nova]

so will you be able to test it?

[hard wraith]

Have you actually made a website with discord login?

[boreal iron]

The OAUTH flow never provides any token wtf

You only get a client secret

[hard wraith]

I…

[boreal iron]

Imagine if the OAUTH server would tell anybody your secret lmao

[hard wraith]

That’s not true.

[ancient nova]

so is that a no?

FakE will you at least have a second?

[boreal iron]

I don’t know what to say here anymore

[ancient nova]

the command takes literally 1 second

[hard wraith]

oauth returns... whats that? oh yes... TOKEN.

[boreal iron]

#development message

Wtf the client secret isn’t his client token

[hard wraith]

access_token...

[ancient nova]

those are two different things

[hard wraith]

you can still do whatever the fuck you want as me with that access token.

[ancient nova]

no I cannot do anything

I can't log into your account

[hard wraith]

you wouldnt need to...

[ancient nova]

at most I can get ur email, username and avatar pretty sure

[hard wraith]

auth can allow a bot to send messages and manage servers.

[ancient nova]

but you still have to agree

[boreal iron]

You can’t do anything with it outside the scope the flow was authorized with

[ancient nova]

so will anyone test it or not

[hard wraith]

That is true. But the service still has your access token. And how do you think the websites using oauth flow turn that access token into your actual token to steal your account?

[ancient nova]

just say no don't ignore

[hard wraith]

Go on, try and justify your bs that every site using oauth is safe and they cant get your actual token... When discord literally acknowledges it is still a big threat and wants us to report any dodgy sites with discord logins.

[ancient nova]

bro my bot doesn't use an oauth it's safe

[hard wraith]

cool then ill invite your bot to a throwaway server on my alt account but not as admin.

[lyric mountain]

Just as a note, access token != account token

You can't login using the access token

[boreal iron]

Once again the OAUTH flow will never provide your client token, once the access server has assigned that client secret to you for how long the session lasts, you can only get informations from the resource server using that client secret which simply is an identifier to the discord account NOT its token

[ancient nova]

jesus christ do whatever you want at this point, but you won't be able to test the command I want you to test since it requires admin

[hard wraith]

True. but somehow people are using oauth and getting your account tokens through the site.

[boreal iron]

Absolutely impossible

[hard wraith]

Why would a bot need admin?

[lyric mountain]

An access token is a highly specific token created at that moment to allow access to specific data

[ancient nova]

because I wanted to make the command seem important lol

[hard wraith]

they have discord login, you enter your details and your 2fa and boom, they have your token.

[ancient nova]

are you able to test the bot?

[boreal iron]

Correct which has a specific timeout, it’s literally just a reference to your account (ID) the Ressource server provides details about

[hard wraith]

your command makes channels, sets channel perm overwrites and creates roles and assigns them to userrs...

[lyric mountain]

Nah I'm fine

[wheat mesa]

no bot ever needs admin

[hard wraith]

thats manage channels and manage users.

[wheat mesa]

you were just too lazy C:

[ancient nova]

yes, but I wanted to mimic wick and ask for admin

[ancient nova]

wick needs admin?

you can't even execute the help command without granting it admin perms

[boreal iron]

Shhh… I enjoy reading the mod logs

[lyric mountain]

Admin is a flawed permission that should be locked when "Public bot" toggle is on

[hard wraith]

then your bot literally is not safe...

Nobody except some idiot would trust it saying "i need admin to send an embed!"

[lyric mountain]

Like, just don't allow inviting bots that have perm 8 if you're not the owner of it

[ancient nova]

it fucking is how is it not safe

[hard wraith]

it means incompetent dev.

[lyric mountain]

Admin is not only "all perms", it also allows you to bypass any other permission anywhere within the server

[hard wraith]

Does your bot stop working for any commands if it doesnt have the admin perm?

[lyric mountain]

The only 2 things that you can't do is alter roles higher than you or delete the server

Other than that, nothing is denied

[hard wraith]

or ban the owner even if they have a role lower

or kick the owner...

or even manage the owner...

can give them roles lower than it tho...

[wheat mesa]

admin is a permission for lazy bot owners that don't want to handle permissions properly

[hard wraith]

and apply server templates.

always wondered about that... using pure rest api URL based put requests to discord, you can apply a server template with a bot...

do they actually apply it from the template url or is it just pushing in the channel and roles and making them manually...

[lyric mountain]

Bots can indeed create servers

But only if it's below 10 servers

[hard wraith]

Oh no...

[lyric mountain]

And yes, the bot will be the owner

[hard wraith]

I tried with my website... it made a server but I was default in it with my bot...

and I was the owner...

then again I copied and pasted the code from some random site I found to do it... maybe it gave me the owner lol

the pure barebones discord api endpoint is more powerful than DJS currently is.

but djs is easier to work with.

[ancient nova]

ok then add it to a fake server?

[boreal iron]

Since djs covers 100% of the api features this isn’t accurate

[ancient nova]

and then delete the entire server after ur done with the testing?

[lyric mountain]

Too much effort

Just wrote a whole game a few minutes earlier

[ancient nova]

testing the command will take you 30 seconds

[boreal iron]

How can still be able to type then?

[hard wraith]

Why when we have dedicated testing servers already set up? But I dont want your bot demanding admin and refusing to even print a help command if I dont comply. Nobody would agree to that.

[boreal iron]

Lazy bitch

[lyric mountain]

🍞

[boreal iron]

[hard wraith]

wait dont bot invites just take the discord invite base url add the application ID and then specify the scope and permissions?

[lyric mountain]

Ye

[hard wraith]

We could literally just change her invite link before inviting it lol

[lyric mountain]

U can edit the url to remove perm 8

Or just uncheck it yk

[sharp geyser]

Wait are you guys arguing about admin with this guy?

It's useless

[ancient nova]

it only needs admin for the setup command wtf, I can delete it if u want

[boreal iron]

You can literally just uncheck the checkboxes

[wheat mesa]

It literally does not need admin

[hard wraith]

But if her bot then refuses to even function without admin perm then its stupid.

[ancient nova]

I only did the admin perm as a cosmetic cause I thought it would seem like more is happening under the hood

[sharp geyser]

No bot ever needs administrator

[ancient nova]

IT DOES WTF? who told you it doens't

[wheat mesa]

No command should ever require admin permissions. Even top.gg specifies this for your bot to get verified in the first palce

[hard wraith]

the BOT doesnt need admin the USER does.

that, that would be acceptable.

[sharp geyser]

Wtf

That's even worse

[ancient nova]

????

[wheat mesa]

Bots should only require the permissions they need

[ancient nova]

what are you talking about

[sharp geyser]

Making a command require the user to be admin is a dumb fucking idea

[ancient nova]

are you guys trolling me

[hard wraith]

No she wants to make a fancy command look important by requiring admin...

[lyric mountain]

You're the kind of person that'd add sleep(5000) to a transaction operation just so you can justify having a loading screen

[sharp geyser]

Wait Bae is a she?

👀

[boreal iron]

lmao

[hard wraith]

Not really if it modifies the functionality of the server.

[lyric mountain]

Then when the client calls saying it's too slow you charge extra to "optimize" it

[sharp geyser]

There are permissions for that

[lyric mountain]

Just change to sleep(4000) and call it a day

Happy client, happy wallet

[ancient nova]

???? it doesn't

[sharp geyser]

No user or bot should ever have admin unless you REALLY trust that user

[hard wraith]

Yes but server owners give admin to people they trust to do that stuff...

[ancient nova]

don't give the bot admin, simple

[sharp geyser]

I don't even give admin to people I trust

[ancient nova]

I have a correct invite link with permissions on my top.gg page

[hard wraith]

so thats when you make a command require a user to be admin.

[ancient nova]

wick needs admin for everything, it won't let u execute the help command without it

[sharp geyser]

I feel like your trust in people's morales is too high

[ancient nova]

and it's the most trusted anti raid bot

[hard wraith]

I do... They are people that I trust to access all areas of my server and stuff...

and want unaffected by permission overwrites on channels

[sharp geyser]

People you trust can easily become people untrustworthy

[hard wraith]

Yeah... and?

[ancient nova]

okay then are you going to test the command, I'll remove the admin requirement for a second

[sharp geyser]

I'm not going to argue with you my guy

Your opinion is your opinion

[ancient nova]

guys please

[sharp geyser]

Mine is mine

[ancient nova]

we've spent 1 hour arguing about this

I just need

someone

to

try

running

a

signle

command

[sharp geyser]

I just joined the conversation idk what's happening

[hard wraith]

The people I trust with admin also sign a contract that states if they do anything to my server they are liable for up to £20k depending on the damage it causes my company reputation.

[sharp geyser]

Also I wouldn't advise spamming

Mods get angy

[ancient nova]

sorry

but anyway

[boreal iron]

It’s better you don’t

[ancient nova]

can anyone

literally

1 person

that isn't me

[hard wraith]

make your setup not require admin and I will test it.

[ancient nova]

sure

[hard wraith]

thats all we have been telling you.

no command should require the BOT to have ADMIN

[lyric mountain]

TL;DR: can't u just create a new account?

[boreal iron]

Genius

[sharp geyser]

Also it makes sense for wick to have administrator looking at what the bot does

[hard wraith]

I mean this is a valid and easier alternative... Discord PC allows hot swapping accounts.

[ancient nova]

I literally just said it was cosmetic, Wick needs admin for everything and especially their setup command hence me wanting to copy that

I can remove that for you

[ancient nova]

done

[sharp geyser]

Yes but wick has a valid reason

[hard wraith]

Wick sound sketch

[sharp geyser]

Not really

What wick does makes sense to have administrator

[ancient nova]

wick is in around 2 million guilds? maybe more?

[hard wraith]

What does it do?

[ancient nova]

anti raid

[sharp geyser]

It's functionality literally relies on being able to monitor the guild it's in

[ancient nova]

@hard wraith should I sent you the invite to my bot in dms?

[sharp geyser]

And not be restricted by permissions when doing so

[hard wraith]

So like my bot that I was yelled at for having it need admin being told it can be done with other perms?

[sharp geyser]

What does your bot do

[hard wraith]

At the minute not much as its bare bones. But the end goal is to have it enable server admins to run a safe and secure growing community safe from raids.

[earnest phoenix]

But even then, technically Wick doesn't need the administrator permission either, it only works with a few permissions, but it's there just in case so things don't get in the way

[hard wraith]

And unsafe content.

[boreal iron]

You should state here specifically to not get fucked by permission overwrites anywhere since admin isn’t affected

[ancient nova]

guyss please

[sharp geyser]

Yes

[ancient nova]

😭

[hard wraith]

Wick just sounds like it does what I am trying to implement into my bot with machine learning lol

welp... im stuffed.

[sharp geyser]

Idk wicks full functionality as I don't use it

But from looking at their page it seems pretty warranted

[ancient nova]

@hard wraith you're going to test the bot then?

[hard wraith]

I even just made a machine learning based conent moderation lib custom for my bot...

[earnest phoenix]

A Discord bot that does moderation based on ML sounds like a horrible idea in the most part

[hard wraith]

without it requiring admin yes...

[sharp geyser]

It would be a very hard thing to manage

[ancient nova]

already removed that

[hard wraith]

I have confidential things in my test server. Related to Azure Machine Learning that my bot uses.

[wheat mesa]

just play bugs bunny in multiversus and be happy with life instead

[earnest phoenix]

I've seen a ton of bots that fuck up so many things just because they were using ML instead of manually given instructions

[ancient nova]

should I now dm you the link?

[boreal iron]

No no… people being serious at any time, no sarcasm no where which could confuse this process

[hard wraith]

its based on azure content moderation api

[boreal iron]

Also no threats against the west using nukes, never

This doesn’t happen in discord

[earnest phoenix]

It doesn't matter what ML API it's based on, it can always go horribly wrong

Especially in moderation

[ancient nova]

what's ML

[hard wraith]

true,,,

[ancient nova]

😮

[sharp geyser]

Machine learning

[ancient nova]

oh lmao

[hard wraith]

but determining if an image is porn or not?

not really...

[ancient nova]

leave that up to discord

they already check that

[sharp geyser]

That could also go wrong depending on how well trained it's model is

[hard wraith]

not in slash command user input image urls.,..

[ancient nova]

anyway

[earnest phoenix]

ML is nice for checking for NSFW and other suspicious imagery and stuff

[ancient nova]

@hard wraith can I pleae

[hard wraith]

that can result in a bot sending porn to a sfw channel.

[ancient nova]

send you the link

in dms

[hard wraith]

Ye

[ancient nova]

finally

[sharp geyser]

Just make sure you have a well trained model

Lest it deleted any images sent

[hard wraith]

Like azure or google...

two very reputable sources of advanced ML

[lyric mountain]

My bot has antiraid and I never needed more than ban perm

[sharp geyser]

They are definitely good but I'm sure it's expensive to use them

[earnest phoenix]

Unlike Discord's NSFW detection

[hard wraith]

I think even AWS has some ML.

[ancient nova]

when you test it first run -setup cause that's the command I initially wanted u to test out, then u can test the other commands if u want to

let me know what u think

[sharp geyser]

I drew a non nsfw pic and discord deleted it for nsfw content

So yes

It's horrendous

[earnest phoenix]

Discord's NSFW detection is just so fucking bad, how did they fuck up so badly

[hard wraith]

I cant send a pic of me petting my dog cus its either porn or animal abuse according to discord.

[ancient nova]

yeh lol 😭

[boreal iron]

Because of your horrible drawing skills

[sharp geyser]

Well stop taking pictures of your dog

[ancient nova]

I can send a meme and they somehow flag it

[lyric mountain]

I cant sent Gru's mother because she's detected as nsfw

[sharp geyser]

Ok boomer

[ancient nova]

let me show u a image of what discord flags as nsfw for me

[hard wraith]

Oh no... That was correct. She a GILF

[boreal iron]

To save other’s eyes

[ancient nova]

let me find it ....

[sharp geyser]

What the absolute fuck did I just read

Ain't no way he just said gilf

[earnest phoenix]

Me when Discord's NSFW detection system flags a LEGO car as NSFW

[sharp geyser]

💀

[wheat mesa]

me when discord automod won't let me send "shit"

[sharp geyser]

Discord likes fucking Legos confirmed??

[boreal iron]

PEGI 16 Lego car?

Kids shouldn’t take blocks in their mouth

You know

[lyric mountain]

Inb4 it becomes minecraft's censor "feature"

[hard wraith]

Thats commonly flagged word automod... or the user defined automod phrase list

[sharp geyser]

Okay you just made yourself sound 10x worse fake

Stop talking

[earnest phoenix]

[boreal iron]

Well I need some therapy regarding the last 30 min in here

[ancient nova]

this is painful

[sharp geyser]

Who doesn't

[lyric mountain]

Psychotherapist

[ancient nova]

I can't upload that image so dm me for it

[boreal iron]

So many new stuff I learned I swear

[sharp geyser]

That's called a Psychiatrist buddy

[lyric mountain]

You didn't see the meme did u?

[sharp geyser]

No

Send dms

[boreal iron]

What do you expect … American

[sharp geyser]

Ok boomer

[earnest phoenix]

Exposure to #development for any amount of time requires a high-class therapy session, otherwise braincell loss at a dangerous rate can occur

[sharp geyser]

It's all tims fault

[boreal iron]

Yeah after I learned the OAUTH flow provides your client token I can’t trust anyone anymore

You all wanna steal my token!

Get outta here

Im literally done

[wheat mesa]

I'm bringing a lawsuit against top.gg for severe emotional trauma and brain damage contracted from spending too much time in #development

[boreal iron]

lol

I will sign it

[sharp geyser]

I feel like I should be the one doing so

I probably have more messages in this channel on this account and my old one than you guys combined

[boreal iron]

Your trauma has is different source Misty

We aren’t responsible for that

[sharp geyser]

On my old account I had 60k messages over half was in this channel

[boreal iron]

Old account?

[sharp geyser]

I had an old account yes

It got bopped by discord

[boreal iron]

Did somebody steal your client token when using the OAUTH flow?

Man I can’t stop

[sharp geyser]

I hope you're joking

I can't tell jokes anymore when it involves this server

[boreal iron]

You sadly missed the last 30 min

[sharp geyser]

People are dumb as rocks sometimes

[boreal iron]

Yeah

I agree

[lyric mountain]

I mean, rocks made processors so...

[sharp geyser]

It's really hard to tell if they are joking or being serious

[sharp geyser]

No metal did

[lyric mountain]

Silicon is literal sand

[boreal iron]

Yeah I couldn’t believe what the dude was telling me, too

But… that’s how cursed this channel is

Close to be behind general

[sharp geyser]

What dude

Now I'm interested in the conversation

[boreal iron]

Lemme

[ancient nova]

I thought u guys were trying to troll me

[sharp geyser]

What

Idk what you are referring to

Keep in mind I joined that conversation towards the end

[boreal iron]

It started around here Misty

#development message

I gently tried to explain how the OAUTH flow works but yeah

See for yourself

[ancient nova]

talking about referral tokens and how my bot was dangerous because of that

[sharp geyser]

Oh god

People who think they know the secrets of the world is hilarious

Access token can be dangerous sure

Cause it can get basic info like your email and your guild info and shir

But in itself it's only temporary for one

[wheat mesa]

OAUTH is designed so users don't need to give their token away

[sharp geyser]

And two you can't do anything beyond that

[wheat mesa]

That's kinda the whole point

[boreal iron]

As long as the scope includes that

[sharp geyser]

You can't delete their account or anything with it

[ancient nova]

wait misty

[sharp geyser]

Precisely

[ancient nova]

do you have a sec?

[sharp geyser]

As long as you have the scopes you can access the information that scope allows

[ancient nova]

will u be able to test my bots newest command?

it's legit amazing

I hope

[sharp geyser]

And any good oath implementation won't store your access token in an easily gotten place

[sharp geyser]

I don't have the habit of doing so, so nah

[boreal iron]

Idk what’s up with him

[sharp geyser]

He seems to be like this fake

[ancient nova]

make an exception pless

[sharp geyser]

It's either his way or the high way

He seems to know everything there is to know

[boreal iron]

Careful

[sharp geyser]

Hm?

Careful about what

[boreal iron]

He seems to be like this fake

[sharp geyser]

Nah man I don't test bots

I don't understand

Did I say something bad?

[boreal iron]

Misty looking for@trouble

[sharp geyser]

Nah I'm just not fond of people who think they know everything

That conversation could of spread misinformation

[ancient nova]

alr ig

it's 1 command literally can anyone else test it

[sharp geyser]

Misinformation is not good when discussing development

[boreal iron]

Has been the entire day tbh

[hard wraith]

There are websites that steal discord accounts that use discord login.

[sharp geyser]

They weren't using oath

[boreal iron]

But mods seem to be sleeping today

[earnest phoenix]

Wait why are you not just making an alt account? Did I miss your reasoning for it?

[solemn latch]

mods are here 👀

[hard wraith]

Odd Cus they asked for my 2fa when I lost my old account.

[boreal iron]

They aren’t

[sharp geyser]

They were using a fake login page

[hard wraith]

Omfg…

[sharp geyser]

And got your email and password through it

[hard wraith]

They even… damn they mimicked 2fa and everything…

[sharp geyser]

Oauth can't be used in this manner

At least not to my knowledge as I'm no way a pro

[hard wraith]

I lost a great alt account to that site… that’s when I stopped looking for free nitro and just bought it.

[boreal iron]

Try your luck Misty

[ancient nova]

no there is no particular reason I just want another person to see it and give their opinion of the commad to me

[hard wraith]

I have 😂

[sharp geyser]

There is also the possibility they just stole your token

[ancient nova]

didn't really say much about it tho

[sharp geyser]

With your token they can bypass 2FA

[lyric mountain]

Mods aren't here

[ancient nova]

@earnest phoenix think you may be able to if u want?

[lyric mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/the-force-jedi-star-wars-gif-4882636

[hard wraith]

Wasn’t much to say as I’m still letting my team review the test and give their feedback.

[solemn latch]

oh okay, bye