development

[civic scroll]

react

[quartz kindle]

check with dev tools inspect element

see if the css is being applied

[hard wraith]

I’m gonna throw up… I hate react because idk why. Just I tried to use it and just cringed.

[quartz kindle]

i never even tried using it

[stuck dawn]

it has

[quartz kindle]

just looking at it gives me nausea

[hard wraith]

I think that’s my favouritism of php over express

And react.

[civic scroll]

use one definition

[hard wraith]

Wait I thought react did something different…

[stuck dawn]

doesn't work either

[civic scroll]

alright, now

[quartz kindle]

play around with it in dev tools, add/remove styles, change colors and sizes, see if the text is actually being affected

[civic scroll]

target the said FontAwesomeIcon element in the DOM

[eternal osprey]

I found the syllabes online, so we are starting with artificial intelligence???

[hard wraith]

I mean the shadow is literally so close to the text you will barely see it.

[civic scroll]

nah

it's visible

since

0px blur

[eternal osprey]

Quarter 1
SOW-BKI135 Introduction
Artificial Intelligence A
(3 EC)

[boreal iron]

damn... sayuri allowed to give css tips again?

[hard wraith]

Ye but if it’s like 1px depending on your screen resolution it might not be visable.

[quartz kindle]

straight to jail

[boreal iron]

aye

[quartz kindle]

right away

[civic scroll]

@stuck dawn also i don't think it applies to the text itself if said FontAwesomeIcon doesn't resolve to only one span element

[stuck dawn]

like the only way is to use filter: drop-shadow

but it doesn't give a solid

[civic scroll]

you have to find the actual element that renders the text

[stuck dawn]

color

[civic scroll]

and then apply the style from there

[hard wraith]

Fa icons aren’t text are they?

[civic scroll]

texted font element

[hard wraith]

Wouldn’t it just be shadow?

[civic scroll]

text-shadow

[stuck dawn]

wyd?

[hard wraith]

I’ll try with mine… cus that should work.

[quartz kindle]

check the html side of the element inspector, see how the element is actually rendered

[civic scroll]

in my case it worked

[hard wraith]

Like text-shadow: 1px 1px #000; should work.

[civic scroll]

check whati said

[civic scroll]

no

we don't know what FAontAwesomeIcon resolves to

either a collection of components or single span

[quartz kindle]

FAont is awesome

[civic scroll]

ima use svg at this point

[hard wraith]

It’s <li>

[quartz kindle]

:^)

[hard wraith]

Fontawesome uses li

[civic scroll]

why list item

w

[boreal iron]

damn... tim's trolling is on point today

[quartz kindle]

i have a huge svg project coming soon

[hard wraith]

Idk it’s in their docs

[quartz kindle]

gonna be annoying af

[civic scroll]

@stuck dawn can you find it in the dom btw, if that code you use happens to be a library

[quartz kindle]

why thank you mr faker

[civic scroll]

look at my endfield project

[boreal iron]

another project to delay the api?

[civic scroll]

i had to write the svg commands from scratch

💀

for a whole logo

[quartz kindle]

no thats for after the api, its basically the UI for using it

[civic scroll]

even aurel died watching me writing them

[civic scroll]

can i join

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[civic scroll]

if it's written in react / angular

[quartz kindle]

im writing svg with text templating

in js

[civic scroll]

vanilla sure

totally fine

[boreal iron]

imagine finishing anything around the api, but never the api itself

[civic scroll]

since my upcoming university's web dev class

is probably gonna teach vanilla anyway

[quartz kindle]

[civic scroll]

ballin rn

[drifting kelp]

is it even necessary to add moderation commands?
i just noticed you can do it in discord itself to ban or kick users via slash commands.

[civic scroll]

ima write your api in rust

[civic scroll]

if you don't feel like it then don't

[quartz kindle]

i didnt even start working on my front end product, but im likely gonna go for svelte

[civic scroll]

cool

maybe this is my opportunity to play with svelte

[boreal iron]

that depends on your bot, if it isn't supposed to be used as kick/ban bot, then don't add them lol

[stuck dawn]

like i am new to this so idk how i can check how it is rendered xD

[quartz kindle]

how much would you charge if i hired you?

xD

[civic scroll]

open dev tools

[stuck dawn]

yes

[drifting kelp]

I was thinking about adding moderation to it, but ig now it'd be useless because you can do it anyways if you have the permissions for it.

[boreal iron]

tf tim where did you get this money from?

[civic scroll]

@stuck dawn

then

[quartz kindle]

donations

[civic scroll]

you click on the element that you want to inspect

[boreal iron]

rich bitch

[quartz kindle]

yeah why do you thing im asking

because i cant really pay much lmao

[boreal iron]

imagine paying 2,4k taxes

[civic scroll]

i don't wanna install the library to help someone out please help

[stuck dawn]

what i am supposed to see? the svg attributes?

[civic scroll]

do you have the site live somewhere by the way

OH wait

since you are developing in react

do you have react devtools

[stuck dawn]

no but i can install it

[civic scroll]

install it in chrome plugin market

[quartz kindle]

right click on the text, inspect element, show us a pic of how the html looks like

[civic scroll]

but we won't know where that awesome of a font icon component starts

[stuck dawn]

ok, what do i do now?

[quartz kindle]

but well have something to start with

and can navigate through the html if needed

[civic scroll]

devtools -> component

[stuck dawn]

ok..

[boreal iron]

should literally be f12 in your browser

[civic scroll]

yes

[civic scroll]

okay

[civic scroll]

click on the "<>"

then screenshot me the entire element

oh

wait wrong button

[stuck dawn]

ok

[civic scroll]

click on the eye icon

i forgor

[civic scroll]

those are svgs

you can't apply text on em

[quartz kindle]

thats what i wanted to see all this time lel

[civic scroll]

which means you can only use either filter shadow or box shadow

[stuck dawn]

:|

[quartz kindle]

you can use filter drop shadow

[civic scroll]

OR, outright insert svg shadow filter

feGussianBlur and all that stuff

[quartz kindle]

example ```js
svg {
filter: drop-shadow(3px 5px 2px rgb(0 0 0 / 0.4));
}

[civic scroll]

what is this division

ah opacity

[stuck dawn]

how i can use that

but

give it a solid color

like if i use that i has blur

and i can't remove it

[quartz kindle]

0.4 is opacity

[civic scroll]

see this shadow edge

[quartz kindle]

change it to 1 to remove transparency

[stuck dawn]

it looks bad i want to look similiar to the other text

[civic scroll]

here's it in svg

so i would use the filter if i were you

can't believe i had to define this myself

[stuck dawn]

a

[civic scroll]

AH you want the outline for the text

but blurred right?

[stuck dawn]

no

not blurred

a solid color

[civic scroll]

only outline

[stuck dawn]

like the text

[civic scroll]

you can use border

or stroke-width and stroke-fill and fill in this case of svg

[stuck dawn]

like this?

[civic scroll]

@stuck dawn OKAY

i have an idea

try this

in css

what's the id of the element

[stuck dawn]

i can just apply to all of them by using the div

[civic scroll]

can i ask

[civic scroll]

for the element id

alright

[stuck dawn]

xD

[civic scroll]

.phone-header-icons g g path {
  stroke: black;
  stroke-width: 10;
}

[stuck dawn]

doesn't work :(

[civic scroll]

oh wait i haven't seen how many layers it's encased in

[civic scroll]

you can remove the --webkit-stroke-fill property, the transpiler will polyfill that in for you

[civic scroll]

it worked right?

then let it be that way then

[stuck dawn]

nope

[quartz kindle]

@civic scroll u're a pro, rate this svg

[civic scroll]

bro 💀

[civic scroll]

image parse --result text > sayuri-js-optimise -o $temp -l ts

[stuck dawn]

oh you use g g path it's only path

[civic scroll]

gimme a moment

[civic scroll]

you didn't understand selectors

[stuck dawn]

it looks like this

looks a little scuffed

even if you increase stroke width

[quartz kindle]

when you open an old js project after you enable strict type checking for js in vsc

[civic scroll]

@quartz kindle gimme a moment to optimise the screenshot code btw

[boreal iron]

god bless notepad++ for missing all this crap

[quartz kindle]

this is what is looks like

[boreal iron]

quite nice tbh

[stuck dawn]

wtf

that's so cool

[quartz kindle]

this was a commission i made for someone 2 years ago

but im gonna use part of this code on my thing too

[boreal iron]

a bit hard to see the triangle borders for similar colors

[quartz kindle]

yeah, all colors are customizable via css

and radiuses/sizes via js

[boreal iron]

does this like tell you the future? :P

like reading my hand

[quartz kindle]

sort of, but no

there are many things that can be read from charts like these

the most common use is to tell you about your personality, what to do to be happy and what to avoid

[boreal iron]

yikes, better not

[quartz kindle]

but you can also use it to see why something is happening with you at a specific moment

or why something happened the way it it

[boreal iron]

xD

[quartz kindle]

and of course you can try to plan your future with it

but things often dont quite work as you would expect when you try to control it too much

@civic scroll question, i have a font file made with one of those font creator softwares, that contains the icons and symbols for these charts, is it a good idea to use it as a font in svg? or should i try to convert the symbols into svg paths/objects and use that instead?

[boreal iron]

https://tenor.com/view/ogvhs-crystal-ball-prediction-future-predict-gif-18199743

[civic scroll]

you can still use them via text and font font elements

just specify correct unicode chars

[quartz kindle]

yeah thats what i did

[civic scroll]

i do use text and so far no issues

[quartz kindle]

i want the symbols to be customizable via css, but i was also thinking about letting the user change them into custom symbols

but thats a bit tricky if the symbols come from a font file

like if a user wants to upload a png of a symbol, i have no idea how to enable it for use in the svg

[civic scroll]

it's not a concern if the code matches

oh

that

[quartz kindle]

i might have to force the user into providing an svg-compatible path or something

instead of an image

[civic scroll]

you can specify something like uh how you would use images

you can still display images in svg

convert it into base64 dataurl

[quartz kindle]

but they wouldnt be css'able, like color and stuff

[civic scroll]

mmm

for that use filters

[quartz kindle]

hmm

[civic scroll]

hue-rotation, saturation, brightness

[quartz kindle]

good idea

but then there is still the issue of scalabillity

[civic scroll]

that's inevitable tbh

[quartz kindle]

welp, i'll see to it when i get there

in like 3 years at the current pace

:^)

[civic scroll]

use relative color differences rather than absolute btw

[civic scroll]

at this point just extract the svg from the image

[quartz kindle]

most path tracers are garbage tho xD

[civic scroll]

lmao [object Object] transition

[quartz kindle]

xDDD

[vivid fulcrum]

ive always wondered if there was any benefit to using b64 data urls

[civic scroll]

tim here's the result of hell optimisation

// ...

svg += '<g class="planets chart1">';
chart1 = this._correct(chart1);

for (const planet of chart1.planets)
{
    let { name, longitude, drawPosition, sign, house, speed } = planet;
    let h = highlight ? (highlight[0] === name || (highlight[1] === name && !chart2)) : false;
    let [sin1, cos1, sin2, cos2] = [longitude, longitude, drawPosition, drawPosition].map((v, i) => Math[i % 2 ? 'sin' : 'cos'](v * Math.PI / 180));
    let {
        glyphPosisition: r1,
        degreePosition: r2,
        lineStart: r3,
        lineEnd: r4,
        helperStart: r5,
        helperEnd: r6
    } = conf.planets;

    const notEmptyString = v => !!v;

    svg += [
        '<g class="',
        name.toLowerCase(),
        Object.keys(glyph.signs)[sign].toLowerCase(),
        house ? ` house${house}` : "",
        h? "highlight" : "",
        '"',
        `data-longitude="${longitude}"`,
        `data-speed="${speed}"`,
        '>',
            [...[
                `<path d="M ${r3 * sin1} ${r3 * cos1} L ${r4 * sin1} ${r4 * cos1}"/>`,
                `<path d="M ${r5 * sin2} ${r5 * cos2} L ${r6 * sin1} ${r6 * cos1}"/>`,
                `<text x="${r1 * sin2}" y="${r1 * cos2}" dominant-baseline="central" text-anchor="middle" font-family="A">${glyph.planets[name]}</text>`,
                `<text x="${r2 * sin2}" y="${r2 * cos2}" dominant-baseline="central" text-anchor="middle" font-family="san-serif">${(longitude % 30).toFixed(0)}</text>`,
            ]],
        '</g>'
    ]
    .filter(notEmptyString)
    .join(' ')
};
svg += '</g>';

[vivid fulcrum]

besides exploding inspect element

[civic scroll]

exploding inspect element

normally it would be a way if i want to preload the image

then put it in svg

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[civic scroll]

yes, including the

[quartz kindle]

xD

[earnest phoenix]

I am building a docker panel(cluster->server->container)..

So currently building/coding the permission system
As db , I am using mongodb

const user = new Schema({
    email: String,
    id: String,
    admin: Boolean,
    roles: Array,
    accessToken: String,
});

const role = new Schema({
    name: String,
    description: String,
    permissions: {
        cluster: {
            read: Boolean,
            write: Boolean,
            delete: Boolean,
        }
    }
})

What would be the best way to link the role to user.roles
I heard about subdocument , but hopefully somebody has an efficient/better approach

[civic scroll]

i think for this case role should be singular

but if you want you can

const role = new Schema({
    name: String,
    description: String,
    permissions: {
        cluster: {
            read: Boolean,
            write: Boolean,
            delete: Boolean,
        }
    }
})
const user = new Schema({
    email: String,
    id: String,
    admin: Boolean,
    roles: Array<role>,
    accessToken: String,
});

iirc

or you can use Array<String> as the roles' ids

and have the role schema an id field

[lone wing]

I'm testing random bots on a throwaway discord server, and this one doesn't use subcommands

volume the music

[boreal iron]

since sub commands are not hidden in the UI yet, it doesn't really matter

but this doesn't really look good tbh

also maybe people don't even know sub commands exist or how to register them :P

[lone wing]

i mean they did use slash commands for these commands?

oh i can't even test it since the bot is offline

[ancient nova]

I thought slash command bots didn't have to be connected to the socket

[wheat mesa]

they don't necessarily

[boreal iron]

yeah they don't have to be

[lone wing]

im trying another bot, they use the same prefix oh no

this will be weird

[wheat mesa]

You have to still have a server up to receive the POST requests

[boreal iron]

and to respond to the pings

in order to show your app as online

[ancient nova]

test mine later

I don't use slash commands though

[lone wing]

undefined modshortcuts

what

wtf these are different bots but the pfp looks the same

different creators

lol this guy just copied the youtuber

[ancient nova]

[proven escarp]

@lone wing can you keep all of this related to development and not spam images please? It's kind of annoying for people who want to discuss dev stuff

[lone wing]

sorry

[proven escarp]

damn fr i should apply for mod

[lone wing]

?

[boreal iron]

[proven escarp]

💀

minimodding is fun 💀

[boreal iron]

[wheat mesa]

minimodding also against rules

[proven escarp]

😳

[wheat mesa]

which in a way makes me a minimod for saying that

[proven escarp]

omg banned

[wheat mesa]

paradox

[proven escarp]

mini-modception

[boreal iron]

lmao

i will enjoy you all getting banned, soon

when i'm the last survivor

[proven escarp]

minimodding?!?!??!

[cinder patio]

minimodding is the stupidest rule

[boreal iron]

complaing about rules is also against the rules

[proven escarp]

minimod

[boreal iron]

soon everyone is banned

[proven escarp]

banned

[cinder patio]

you're minimodding

[boreal iron]

was just thinking loudly

[proven escarp]

thinking loudly is against rules

[boreal iron]

tf, let's ban the mods for creating such rules

[proven escarp]

ye

[hard wraith]

I’m using google rn for this, but they charge by number per month… azure charge by X per second…. This would be a good step to change from google to right?

It’s a content moderation tool, and should help when the bot scales and it’s moderation system is going with more than 1000 interaction requests a month 😂

Idk, do I stick with the google one that’s expensive and has appalling support, or swap to azure that has great documentation, is cheaper priced for scale and I have a support agreement with that can resolve issues normally within the hour?

[lyric mountain]

charge by X per second
excuse me???

[hard wraith]

interactions per second

[lyric mountain]

ah, understandable

I though they charged X per running second

[hard wraith]

I mean look at that

[lyric mountain]

that's a very low tps cap

[hard wraith]

its $2 per 1000 interactions over your first 1000 a month on google tho

This is 50% cheaper

and then add in my 50% partnership discount with azure...

thats $0.50 per 1000 transactions for my first million

[lyric mountain]

why exactly are u using it btw?

[hard wraith]

or if I get 10m+ in the month... its $.20 ever 1000

[lyric mountain]

like, what's a "moderation tool"

[hard wraith]

Content moderation for automod

[lyric mountain]

can't u just integrate ur bot with the new discord automod feature?

[hard wraith]

Plus this will allow me to filter user input on the commands...

[hard wraith]

Not for the user slash commands like with my welcome banner

I use google to stop pornography being the banner image, this is the same... But cheaper lol

[lyric mountain]

there's someone here that made an image filtering service

that uses machine learning to detect

[hard wraith]

This is the same...

But it uses azure, who host my bot lol

[lyric mountain]

aren't there options where u don't need to grab the wallet?

[hard wraith]

I just think that once I hit around 1000 interactions on google I should have a cheaper alternative

[hard wraith]

You only get a limit before its no longer free

And google works out a lot more at predicted numbers than azure does.

Plus 10 tps... I can make a queue on the commands that use it to await a response, meaning I can literally handle millions of requests at 1 second, but over the second it will pop in 10 from the queue and reply

So some commands may see the "unusually high requests on this command, please await response, you are position X in the queue" on their slash command response lol.

But ultimately I might move the welcome banner config to the website to me more useful and user friendly.

Plus this PC is built to work with Azure cus of work lol... It is only logical as I have all the tools to test and fail azure api requests without making actual requests that cost.

[lyric mountain]

u could stay below the 10 TPS limit btw

just put a temp image like "Checking banner, please wait" while the request is not made

use a queue as u said to send batches

[hard wraith]

Yeah thats what I am doing lol

Just need to think if I want to use the website so its cleaner and I don't have hanging slash command interactions.

Because then you can have "Welcome banner content being reviewed. Please wait." shown blocking changes to the welcomer config for the guild.

Yeah 100% going to change from google because I have already used 100 interactions this month from testing alone lol.

And I know with azure they never charge me for test requests.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-gb/javascript/api/@azure/cognitiveservices-contentmoderator/?view=azure-node-latest This is actually beautiful compared the the clusterfuck that is the google api reference.

[lyric mountain]

isn't there a wrapper for it?

they generally always release wrappers for mainstream languages

[hard wraith]

Yes this is the node reference

[lyric mountain]

a

[hard wraith]

And the google one for node just showed basic examples and leaves you to figure out what data is returned for image moderation...

Azure actually seem to show you the response example lol

It only shows typescript tho... I use javascript instead lol

Like this... Its kinda better than the google docs. Because it explains a lot more lol

[eternal osprey]

hey i have set my topgg webhookurl to this url myvpsip:3000/dblwebhook

but it's telling me that the url is not valid

[hard wraith]

http://myvpsip:3000/dblwebhook

never forget the http://

[eternal osprey]

awesome, thank you!

[hard wraith]

Are you using express?

[eternal osprey]

yeah

[hard wraith]

I have an example that might help you better...

https://github.com/JCoNet/node-topgg-webhook

It works like yours, but it uses /server and /bot to specify the difference between the two vote type

[eternal osprey]

so the webhook is https://example.com:3000/server?

instead of dblwebhook?

[hard wraith]

ye

[eternal osprey]

owhh

[hard wraith]

I customised the code to like detect different things for bots too. So it shows if weekend modifier is active or not lol

Feel free to fork and modify it to your needs but I found this more reliable that the example topgg docs gave and IDK why lol

[eternal osprey]

Oowh wow this example is awesome, thank you JCoDog

[hard wraith]

Probably because it handles the incoming request using express req and res instead of the topgg webhook library

It is literally an express version of the listener running on my website lol

I also think the "idiots guide to deploying this example" is what sets it apart.

[digital swan]

on lines 34-36 would it not be client.guilds.fetch etc instead of client.guilds.cache.fetch

[hard wraith]

That may be a bug yes...

let me ammend

This is why I needed it reviewing. I made it early hours this morning on no sleep lol

[wheat mesa]

Yeah it's just fetch, caches have no fetch function

they're just enhanced maps

[hard wraith]

cache is .get()

[wheat mesa]

Yup

[hard wraith]

Im aware. I forget when I am tired lol

[wheat mesa]

Fair

[digital swan]

yea i get that LOL. dont forget the /bot part too

[wheat mesa]

It's well written, can't blame you for making a small mistake lol

I believe the class decl for djs's collection is class Collection<K, V> extends Map<K, V>

[hard wraith]

Check now.

Im half tempted to not use the azure content moderation api on node and just write it using my php api handler and make webhook requests to that...

Like, then I can sell use of it to other bots lol

Meh... I'll have to get it working first lol.

This is going to be a huge project lol.

[lyric mountain]

that's so java

[hard wraith]

I could go for some java rn

By that I mean coffee... But Monster energy tastes so good.

[wheat mesa]

I mean, it's pretty generic syntax (no pun intended)

[lyric mountain]

wait, why does is extend map?

like, instead of being a map itself

[wheat mesa]

It's just a collection of helper methods for a map

[lyric mountain]

ah

[wheat mesa]

It is a map

That's why you can call all the map methods on it

But djs (and most libraries) have their own functions because Map doesn't include everything that's convenient to use

[hard wraith]

Feel that...

I feel like I should make a npm package to do my express webhook easier...

So a user just does let bot = listener.bot(authtoken) and it just returns an event or somethin...

idk... Maybe thats overkill... Considering express works fine as it is lol

[lyric mountain]

tbh I was surprised when I learned that map doesn't have compute in js

[hard wraith]

LMAO

Nah, why would JS have useful features?

its just simplified java for web browsers

[wheat mesa]

not really

java is to javascript what car is to carpet

[hard wraith]

JavaScript

[wheat mesa]

ham -> hamster

[hard wraith]

I love saying that cus it annoys java devs lol

[wheat mesa]

java devs would not take that slander

neither would js devs

the war of the titans

[lyric mountain]

tbh js was made to be a layer between browser and java

[hard wraith]

Im a php and node.js dev lol

[lyric mountain]

since everything was using java at that time

[hard wraith]

This is why i say JS is simplified java for browsers... But it still annoys people.

[wheat mesa]

I do nodejs with typescript, rust, c++, c#, java, and a little js

[lyric mountain]

and applets were just awful

[lyric mountain]

not really, it was just a compatibility layer

[wheat mesa]

my cs teacher thought applets were still a thing last year

[lyric mountain]

applets suffer the same issue as flash

[hard wraith]

I do C sorta... Python. Like python is based on C

[wheat mesa]

gotta say that rust is fucking amazing

the pattern matching + the type system = pure bliss

the ultimate langdev language

[hard wraith]

I need to check this out then

https://www.rust-lang.org/ this?

[wheat mesa]

yes

voted most loved language on stackoverflow for the last 7 years or something like that

[lyric mountain]

nono, this https://pixabay.com/photos/rusty-iron-structure-weathered-3743221/

[hard wraith]

LMAO

[wheat mesa]

yup

[hard wraith]

When being boring is the best compliment you can get

[lyric mountain]

chris dickinson tf

that's the worst surname I ever saw

[wheat mesa]

out of its 11 or 12 years of existence, 7 years voted as most loved lang

[hard wraith]

I worked with 5 dickinsons at my last job...

It was so hard to resist asking them if they enjoy dicking sons...

[wheat mesa]

also enums in rust are just amazing with the pattern matching it offers

very powerful

[sudden geyser]

cockshott

[hard wraith]

Its structured like Go

[wheat mesa]

I shit you not there was a kid in my elementary school that was named "Dick Dick"

[hard wraith]

wait is it go or kotlin... or both lol

[lyric mountain]

neither

[wheat mesa]

It's neither C:<

[hard wraith]

IDk... ive used go and kotlin for a total of like 3 hours in my life lol

[wheat mesa]

Rust is focused on fast speeds with pure memory safety

And it's also just very focused on safety in general

[hard wraith]

just the println seems similar to kotlin

[wheat mesa]

It's a macro

[lyric mountain]

the only thing I like about rust is that it's not c++

[hard wraith]

Preach

[lyric mountain]

did u ever try groovy?

(not the bot)

[wheat mesa]

Rust is by far the best language for metaprogramming imo

[lyric mountain]

probably is, since its direct competitor is the awful c++

[hard wraith]

LMAO I used Rythm over groovy

[lyric mountain]

and carbon, but it's still a newborn

[lyric mountain]

I mean the language

[wheat mesa]

I've heard that OCaml is really good for it too, but not mainstream enough to be worth using

[hard wraith]

I know lol

if you notice that reply was to the threat (not the bot) because it made me remember how youtube fucked over rythm

[wheat mesa]

Carbon isn't meant to replace any language other than C++, they even recommend that you use rust or other languages if you are able

It's just meant to be a more modern option for migrating age-old C++ codebases

To be easier to maintain

And it's also designed so that C++ devs can easily learn it

[lyric mountain]

I bet dealing with winapi will still be shitty

[wheat mesa]

Any language dealing with winapi is shitty

[lyric mountain]

but well, if u like js/ts I highly recommend it

it feels like them, but wields all the power of java

and tbh, ```
5.times {
println it
}

/*
prints:
0
1
2
3
4
*/

loops are the best part

[wheat mesa]

wdym you don't like rust's macro syntax?? ```rs
macro_rules! add{
($a:expr,$b:expr)=>{
{
$a+$b
}
};
($a:expr)=>{
{
$a
}
}
}

:troll:

[lyric mountain]

tf

[wheat mesa]

The best part about macros in rust is that you can extend the language syntax without needing a whole compiler update

That's what allows async/await to be in rust without needing anything special on the compiler's end

Also I forgot to mention that Result<T, E> and Option<T> are absolutely amazing in rust as well

And the lack of a "null" existing is nice too

I've only been doing rust about 1-2 months now, and I already think it's the best langauge I've ever used

[lone wing]

Am i calculating my resource usage wrong? My bot is in about 8 servers and it's only using 40mb

it's discord.js

with regular old node

[wheat mesa]

How are you calculating it

Because that's likely the wrong value

[hard wraith]

Well I just spoke to an api maker and he told me that for what I need to do, I should be using CURL instead of the node library azure gave me. That is going to make things so much easier just being able to make rest api CURL requests

[wheat mesa]

Node itself usually takes more than 40mb

[hard wraith]

ill be able to define all the methods how I want to define them and customise the responses perfectly!

[lone wing]

process.memoryUsage().heapTotal / 1024 / 1024

the % is just /512mb since that is heroku mem usage limit

[hard wraith]

Wait...

why are you dividing by /1024 twice?

[wheat mesa]

it gives mem usage in bytes

[hard wraith]

Yeah... why not handle it in mb?

[lyric mountain]

?

B, KB, MB

[hard wraith]

yeah...

[lyric mountain]

well, technically, yes

[lone wing]

hold on im gonna locally host the bot temporarily and see memory usage

[wheat mesa]

memUsage.rss is usually more accurate

[hard wraith]

but if you know your mem is 512 mb, why waste time converting both to bytes when you can handle both in mb?

[lyric mountain]

if node has an internal memory size like java then that value is technically correct for the process only

[wheat mesa]

since that's the Resident Stack Size, which is how much the process is currently taking regardless of if it's using it or not

[lyric mountain]

wdym? the function return in bytes not mb

you need to convert to mb

[hard wraith]

ohhh

right nevermind I confused myself...

[lyric mountain]

the 40 MB is where they're doing the calculations

[gaunt sierra]

L Moment

[wheat mesa]

It might be the process size not including node's internals

[hard wraith]

But what happens if you have 1tb memory?

[lyric mountain]

it's probably that, most runtimes do that

[wheat mesa]

Because even libless I can't really get a gateway connection open under 40mb of ram

[lyric mountain]

u just convert to TB

[wheat mesa]

(In node)

[lone wing]

resource usage is actually pretty accurate

[hard wraith]

Dont ask how, but there are servers at ibm for banks with terrabytes of memory.

[lyric mountain]

those are multi-machine environments

[wheat mesa]

I can't even see what processes are taking up what though

[lyric mountain]

not a single TB ram stick

[hard wraith]

The code isn't accounting for the fact that you can upgrade and downgrade total memory

like you could go from mb to gb, then you have to change your code

[wheat mesa]

Learn a programming language, find a specialty, then get good at it with many many many hours of practice

[lone wing]

Node.js is the one highlighted

the rest are the powershell processes

[wheat mesa]

Hmmmm

Are you caching anything?

[lyric mountain]

you see, you can't learn "how to become a dev", you learn how to think abstract and see things as a bunch of smaller parts

the rest is google

[lone wing]

Not really

[wheat mesa]

That's probably why

[lone wing]

although i did update my config system to only load what is needed

[hard wraith]

LMAO putting dev like that makes us out to be nothing special...

Like ouch...

[wheat mesa]

You should probably be using RSS, not heapTotal

[lone wing]

alr

[wheat mesa]

For a more accurate count

[lone wing]

Isn't that just allocated memory though

[hard wraith]

My entire career is based around being a DevOps Engineer and it being seen as a title of great stature due to the hours of schooling in the field and certification exams...

[wheat mesa]

That's how much the process is taking up regardless of whether it's using it or not

Resident Stack Size

[hard wraith]

And you just put how the indepndent leaning of the Dev asapect goes like that... Just removed that "special" factor.

[lone wing]

ok yeah then it jumps up to 90mb

[wheat mesa]

If your machine needs it, it can free some of that RSS

[spark flint]

gamers

[wheat mesa]

But usually it keeps a little more than it needs, just in case

[spark flint]

https://github.com/MinnDevelopment/discord-webhooks i wanna use this

[spark flint]

which is java

[wheat mesa]

It's usually going to be quite larger

[spark flint]

how tf do i import that into my code

[wheat mesa]

haha

[hard wraith]

You dont and learn how to do it yourself.

[wheat mesa]

Well, you can use a dependency manager like gradle or maven

[lone wing]

you learn java

[wheat mesa]

Or you can download the jar file

[spark flint]

this is my first time using java and i don't understand it

[wheat mesa]

And import it into your project

Which will differ based on the IDE you're using

[spark flint]

no

[lyric mountain]

oh wait, forgot to reply

[hard wraith]

just CURL request to the webhook endpoint the content body outlined here: https://discord.com/developers/docs/resources/webhook

[lyric mountain]

like, when you see an apple you say "It's a fruit", while we say "It's a round eatable object, with a sweet taste and crunchy texture. It's color is red with small lighter strokes. On the top of it there's a brown, slightly bent stalk."

[spark flint]

yeah but idk how to

[hard wraith]

Like sheesh...

[spark flint]

thats the point

[hard wraith]

CURL!

[spark flint]

i don't understand java and i struggle to learn new things

[wheat mesa]

Have you ever used Java before?

[spark flint]

once

[wheat mesa]

It might be easier to start with some easier projects

[hard wraith]

Literally google how to make a CURL request to REST APIs in your language

[wheat mesa]

Like console projects

[spark flint]

[wheat mesa]

Dependencies in Java are one of those things that kinda suck

[quartz kindle]

jabba

[wheat mesa]

I'm sure kuuhaku will correct me on that

[lyric mountain]

@spark flint what lib?

[spark flint]

its https://github.com/MinnDevelopment/discord-webhooks

[lyric mountain]

used to, nowadays they're a lot easier

[spark flint]

which is a much easier way to use webhooks

[lyric mountain]

u want to make raw requests?

HttpUrlConnection then (has an Https alternative)

although I do recommend using Apache's HttpClient

[spark flint]

i don't really wanna make raw requests

i like making my life easy and using modules/dependencies

[lyric mountain]

then just use that

what's the issue?

[spark flint]

idk how to import it 🗿

[lyric mountain]

maven or gradle?

[spark flint]

[lyric mountain]

...

[spark flint]

ah this is gradle

i'm literally blind

[hard wraith]

Check discord.js they can post without needed webhooks lol

[spark flint]

bro

this is java

[wheat mesa]

I hate gradle

[hard wraith]

then discord java

[spark flint]

[hard wraith]

there is a discord java library

[spark flint]

yeah fuck this shit i'm out

[lyric mountain]

implementation group: "the.group.name", name: "lib-name", version: "version"

[wheat mesa]

kuuhaku is a java expert

[lyric mountain]

put in build.gradle

[lyric mountain]

nah, I'm far from that title

[hard wraith]

im gonna go work on my azure package

[wheat mesa]

Idk, if you can pack 4000 lines of java into a single utility file, I'd consider you an expert

[lyric mountain]

if u still use the old format: implementation("the.group.name:lib-name:version")

[lyric mountain]

lmao u mean pagination utils?

or my bot's helper file?

[wheat mesa]

your bot's helper file

the like 500 static functions lol

[lyric mountain]

yeah I split that thing into separated categorized files

[wheat mesa]

another example of rust's insane pattern matching and error handling

[lyric mountain]

that looks a lot like java's switch

[wheat mesa]

It's essentially a switch statement but it requires you to cover all possibilities, and also gives you enum variant pattern matching

Here's a file that I think showcases the power of match expressions with enums very well: https://github.com/Jwaffled/math_parser_rs/blob/master/src/interpreter.rs

[lyric mountain]

return switch (token.token_type) {
  case TokenType.Minus -> // stuff
  case TokenType.Not -> // stuff
  default -> // stuff
}

[wheat mesa]

In java for the same thing I would be using the visitor pattern which is far more annoying and basically makes it so you have to verify the types yourself since java can't do it for you at compile time

[lyric mountain]

not on jdk 19

they're fixing that on next release

[boreal iron]

Java again Waffle?

[wheat mesa]

here's what it would look like in C#, but without any boolean support https://github.com/Jwaffled/MathExpressionParsing/blob/master/MathExpressionParsing/Core/Interpreter.cs

[boreal iron]

Thought you got rid of your demons

[wheat mesa]

See how much casting you have to do

Since it's not technically type-safe

Whereas I never cast a single time in the rust version

I also much prefer using Result<T, Err> for errors instead of throwing them

Makes it so you never have an unhandled error (Unless you do something stupid like an index out of bounds on a vector or something)

Even then you can handle that because Vec<T>.get(index) returns Option<T>, so if it's out of bounds, then it'll just give you a None value

But using the direct indexing operator will cause a runtime panic if it's out of bounds

[sudden geyser]

I like the concepts of Rust but don't have a use for the language myself.

though I have mixed feelings about Option<T>

[wheat mesa]

Result and Option are godsends

Since you're guaranteeing the compiler that you're handling all of the possibilities at compile time

Which ofc you can bypass if you know exactly what you're doing

[sudden geyser]

Yes, but if you later change your code to always return T, that's considered a breaking change, which is annoying.

[wheat mesa]

Like this is unsafe and can definitely cause a panic at runtime, but I know that it won't happen because the way I'm writing code guarantees that when I call this function I am never out of bounds

[wheat mesa]

Usually you would only make the return value Result or Option if you know something can fail, and that T is not guaranteed

Which in most cases doesn't change

[sudden geyser]

I'm talking about if you go from Result<T, E> or Option<T> to just T, or the other way in some contexts.

i.e. you change your code

[wheat mesa]

I know, I'm just saying that's a very rare occurrence

Either way it's still a relatively easy change to handle

[sudden geyser]

Not really

If you're maintaining a library (though can apply to applications) and that happens, that sucks as it's a breaking change

[wheat mesa]

It's like if you changed a function from being noexcept to being able to throw in C++, you'd have to wrap calls to it in a try/catch

[sudden geyser]

If you go from T to Result/Option, then yeah, that's good. But the other way around, not so much.

[wheat mesa]

I suppose, it's not a huge deal in reality though. That doesn't happen very often

And you could just keep it as that return type, just never return None or Err

I'm sure there's some way around it that I haven't figured out because I'm still not too experienced with rust

[sudden geyser]

You could, but that practically mimics null and forces you to always check/assert beforehand.

[ancient nova]

if you compare snowflakes do you use a strict === or a normal == equals operator?

[sudden geyser]

I talk about it because when you're confronted with:

fn identity<T>(value: T): Option<T> {
  // ...
}

And decide that value should now be optional, that's a breaking change, as you have to change T to Option<T>, despite you not "really" doing something wrong. The same is true if you decide to change the return value to just T and change the code to reflect that internally. Callers of identity now need to update their code to get rid of the potential None checking beforehand, which, again, is not "really" your fault. That's one basic issue I have with it, as it makes breaking changes unnecessarily more common.

[ancient nova]

I've gotten kinda confused with this

[wheat mesa]

can you show the scenario in which this would be happening

[ancient nova]

one second I'll send you the code I'm writing

[wheat mesa]

It shouldn't really matter tbh

[lyric mountain]

for js you almost ever want to use ===

[wheat mesa]

But yeah

[lyric mountain]

most IDEs will tell u that too

[wheat mesa]

That

I mostly use == because I'm a cultured typescript man myself

[ancient nova]

@wheat mesa sorry took so long I was writing another feature for this code```js
// Lets now write some code for our Afk System Module.
// First we check if it's enabled, then we check if the person typing is AFK.
if (settings.afkSystem === "true") {
// And now lets define our afkCache Collection again.
const afkCache = container.afkCache;

    // Now lets define whoever was mentioned.
    // If there is, lets now continue the code, else stop.
    const mentionedMember = message.mentions.members.first();
    if (mentionedMember) {
        // And now lets actually check if the person mentioned is a person with an AFK status
        // If not, again we will ignore it.
        const afkData = afkCache.get(mentionedMember.id);
        if (afkData) {
            const [ timestamp, reason, guildId ] = afkData;
            // We check if the afk was from the guild the person was mentioned in.
            // ( We do not want the afk system to be cross guild, as some guilds may have disabled their AFK modules)
            if (guildId == message.guild.id) {
                
            }
        }
    }
}

not even sure if the code works since I haven't tested it

and sorry for the thousands of comments lol

[wheat mesa]

I would just use ===

In js you usually need to use ===

In typescript it's not much of a problem because you know what types they're going to be

[digital swan]

has anyone heard anything about the massive embeds 😢

[spark flint]

yes

its a discord bug

well not bug

a "fix" to a bug

[boreal iron]

Bug or feature

You never know

[ancient nova]

    // Lets now write some code for our Afk System Module.
    // First we check if it's enabled, then we check if the person typing is AFK.
    if (settings.afkSystem === "true") {
        // And now lets define our afkCache Collection again.
        const afkCache = container.afkCache;
        
        // Now lets define whoever was mentioned.
        // If there is, lets now continue the code, else stop.
        const mentionedMember = message.mentions.members.first();
        if (mentionedMember) {
            // And now lets actually check if the person mentioned is a person with an AFK status
            // If not, again we will ignore it.
            const afkData = afkCache.get(mentionedMember.id);
            if (afkData) {
                const [ timestamp, reason, guildId ] = afkData;
                // We check if the afk was from the guild the person was mentioned in.
                // ( We do not want the afk system to be cross guild, as some guilds may have disabled their AFK modules)
                if (guildId === message.guild.id) {
                    message.reply(`${mentionedMember.user.tag} is AFK!\nReason: ${reason}\nSince: ${timeAgo(timestamp)}`);
                }
            }
        }; const afkData = afkCache.get(mentionedMember.id);
        if (afkData.get(message.author.id)) {
            const [ timestamp, reason, guildId ] = afkData;
                if (guildId === message.guild.id) {
                    afkData.delete(message.author.id);
                    message.reply(`${message.member} Welcome back!\nI've removed your AFK status for you :thumbsup:`);
                }
        }
    }
``` do you guys think this is good enough? (First time writing an AFK system)

let me know if I missed something important

[wheat mesa]

I have some complaints about the code style

[quartz kindle]

are you still storing true as a string?

[boreal iron]

[wheat mesa]

That too

[ancient nova]

I had to revert back to my old system because it broke

btw

Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'set')

    // Grab the settings for this server from Enmap.
    // If there is no guild, get default conf (DMs)
    // Also prevent people from using the afk command is the afk system is not toggled on.
    const settings = message.settings = getSettings(message.guild);
    if (settings.afkEnabled !== "true")
        return message.channel.send(`The AFK system appears to be disabled! To enable this module please run \`${settings.prefix}set edit afkEnabled true\``);
    
    // With that done, lets now get our afkCache Collection from our *client* object.
    const afkCache = client.afkCache;
    
    // And now lets define the variable we will use as the "reason" for the AFK status.
    const reason = args.join(" ") || "No Reason";
    if (reason.length >= 256) return message.channel.send("You can't have a status that's longer than 256 letters!");
    
    // And now let's set or update our current AFK status
    afkCache.set(message.author.id, [
        message.createdTimestamp,
        reason,
        message.guild.id
    ]); return message.channel.send(`Done :thumbsup:\nYour AFK status is now set to: ${reason}`);
``` any ideas?

[boreal iron]

I swear Bea is like:

[wheat mesa]

inb4 "why is my memory usage so high"

[boreal iron]

100%

[ancient nova]

I've done some optimizations and it's actually down to 40mb

[wheat mesa]

yeah that's totally gonna stay at 40mb when you have to cache all those true/false strings

granted v8 is probably smart enough to have a string pool

and just assign pointers to those strings

[earnest phoenix]

40 year old C/C++ programmers looking at this storing a 1 byte value as 4-5 bytes every time be like

[quartz kindle]

still its 8 bytes for a pointer vs 1 byte for a bool

but realistically it will make zero difference

[wheat mesa]

I feel like it would make quite a difference at scale

[quartz kindle]

at scale yes

but thats kinda highly unlikely

:^)

[wheat mesa]

damn

[lament rock]

the problem with memory de-duping without knowing dev intent, when they mutate the string, other instances could just be like… Yeah uh what?

[quartz kindle]

strings are immutable tho

[wheat mesa]

^

Java does the same thing with a string pool

[lament rock]

Ah okay now I see that the new string would be alloc'd and pass pointer

[wheat mesa]

Since they're immutable none of them are really shared references, they all just point to the same string until they don't

[quartz kindle]

until they point'nt

[lament rock]

gc go brr

I need manual memory management in js

[ancient nova]

I fixed that

[lament rock]

yes ik I could just use c, but like no

[wheat mesa]

c is kinda yucky

segfaults are boring to debug

[quartz kindle]

store everything in a buffer :^)

[ancient nova]

for some reason I could only store strings in a discord.js collection otherwise it would return undefined when trying to get them

which made it buggy

[lament rock]

Oh true actually

[wheat mesa]

?

[lament rock]

time to somehow cache entire classes in Buffers

[quartz kindle]

i actually have a project like that

but its kinda shelved atm

[wheat mesa]

Write your own js parser that is run on js buffers

[quartz kindle]

but i plan to make a buffer-storage

[wheat mesa]

Collections are just maps

I don't know what you were using to store them before that, but there is virtually no difference between a collection and a map, since I assume you were using a map

[boreal iron]

Can’t follow anymore how much unfinished projects you have

I was at least by 2763 so far…

[earnest phoenix]

Never ask a developer how many projects they've finished so far

[wheat mesa]

like 8

something like that

[quartz kindle]

not many tbh

[wheat mesa]

whatever is public on my github and doesn't say "WIP"

Ok it's like 6 projects

lmfao

including some private ones that I'm done with

[quartz kindle]

just that the projects i have shelved/planned are so painful

[boreal iron]

You need to choose easier projects then

[wheat mesa]

I'm currently working on my breakfast themed language

about 450 lines into the parser rn

[quartz kindle]

i do love easy/small projects

[wheat mesa]

my biggest challenge is going to be figuring out how to use LLVM/cranelift for codegen since I've never done that before

[earnest phoenix]

It must include waffles, does it?

[wheat mesa]

I was told by the rust server to use cranelift since it's easier than LLVM but I can't seem to find much out there on the internet about it

[wheat mesa]

I mean, if you count # as a waffle, yes

[earnest phoenix]

Lmao

[wheat mesa]

I made the semicolon equivalent a # because it looks like a waffle

So I'm everywhere in the lang C:<

[ancient nova]

    // Lets now write some code for our Afk System Module.
    // First we check if it's enabled, then we check if the person typing is AFK.
    if (settings.afkEnabled === "true") {
        // And now lets define our afkCache Collection again.
        const afkCache = container.afkCache;
        
        // Now lets define whoever was mentioned.
        // If there is, lets now continue the code, else stop.
        const mentionedMember = message.mentions.members.first();
        if (mentionedMember) {
            // And now lets actually check if the person mentioned is a person with an AFK status
            // If not, again we will ignore it.
            const afkData = afkCache.get(mentionedMember.id);
            if (afkData) {
                const [ timestamp, reason, guildId ] = afkData;
                // We check if the afk was from the guild the person was mentioned in.
                // ( We do not want the afk system to be cross guild, as some guilds may have disabled their AFK modules)
                if (guildId === message.guild.id) {
                    message.reply(`${mentionedMember.user.tag} is AFK!\nReason: ${reason}\nSince: ${timeAgo(timestamp)}`);
                }
            }
        }; const afkData = afkCache.get(message.author.id);
        if (afkData.get(message.author.id)) {
            const [ timestamp, reason, guildId ] = afkData;
                if (guildId === message.guild.id) {
                    afkData.delete(message.author.id);
                    message.reply(`${message.member} Welcome back!\nI've removed your AFK status for you :thumbsup:`);
                }
        }
    }
``` TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'get') dude what

it's this line if (afkData.get(message.author.id)) {

[wheat mesa]

A simple for loop to print 0-9: ```
prepare(preheat i at 0# cookwhile i tasteless 10# stirby 1) |>
say i#
<|

[earnest phoenix]

One way to take credit for the hard work of the language! When the creator is a waffle

[wheat mesa]

😉

[ancient nova]

oh my bad

[sudden geyser]

think -> idea
^-------- |
| v
finish |--- develop

[wheat mesa]

true!

[earnest phoenix]

[wheat mesa]

You never checked for undefined afterwards

[earnest phoenix]

Also why not use the has() method in that if statement expression?

[wheat mesa]

I mean technically it's better to not call has since it'll end up in a redundant function call

If it does pass that is

Better to just check if it's null/undefined and if it's not then you don't have to call another function

[boreal iron]

Bae escalating again?

[ancient nova]

HOW DO YOU REMOVE SOMETHING FROM A COLLECTION 😭

[wheat mesa]

(Assuming he needs the value)

[wheat mesa]

<Collection>.remove() iirc

[earnest phoenix]

I said in the if statement expression, if they're just checking if the ID of the message author exists as a key in afkData

[wheat mesa]

Ah no it's .delete()

@ancient nova there's documentation for the 5 billionth time: https://discord.js.org/#/docs/collection/main/class/Collection

[earnest phoenix]

But if they want to check the value rather than the key, then it's understandable

[boreal iron]

[ancient nova]

oh that's y

[wheat mesa]

I didn't read too much into it, too much stuff

He's got a map of maps

[ancient nova]

got damn I think I edited that over 6 times

[wheat mesa]

That's all I need to see

[earnest phoenix]

Something worse than listening to BTS torture, looking at ItsOkayBae's code that was never showed to us

The hidden and forbidden sight of death

[boreal iron]

You literally need a therapist after watching it

[earnest phoenix]

"Sir, that'll be $500,000 for giving me brain damage as well"

[wheat mesa]

I need to sue for emotional trauma

[boreal iron]

So many things have been said like a thousand times already

[wheat mesa]

Can we pin a link to documentation please

https://discord.js.org/#/docs/discord.js/main/general/welcome

Nevermind there's already some pinned

just buried behind 30 other pins

[earnest phoenix]

"That won't stop me, because I can't read!"

[boreal iron]

I wanna say this isn’t djs support server but it literally is

[wheat mesa]

volt teach me llvm

I was told by rust langdev pros to use cranelift

But I don't know if I want to install it if it requires that (Haven't looked into it yet)

[boreal iron]

He can teach you to craft non-working bombs

[wheat mesa]

Because LLVM took like 55gb of space

And 2+ hours to build

😭

And I still have yet to use it

[earnest phoenix]

I'm sorry you had to sit through that, done that a 100 times already

[wheat mesa]

god imagine editing one of the header files for this monstrosity

"Compiling 500 billion files that depend on this one header"

[earnest phoenix]

"Oh shit I forgot a character in this string"

[boreal iron]

You gotta live with it

[earnest phoenix]

This little maneuver is gonna take us 51 years

[wheat mesa]

After I finish my AST parser I'll look into the differences between cranelift and LLVM

Since I was told that I'm good to generate my AST before I even touch codegen

[quartz kindle]

how the heck does llvm have 55gb

isnt it supposed to be a small efficient cross platform low level vm

[wheat mesa]

It's the fully built source code

Which includes all the developer stuff, not just an executable or anything

[earnest phoenix]

Well try to compile this whole thing
https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project

[wheat mesa]

The debug folder alone takes 26.5gb

[earnest phoenix]

Oops I misplaced the parts

[quartz kindle]

i still dont understand how is it possible to have 50gb worth of developer code/tooling

[wheat mesa]

the runtimes folder is only 28kb, which I assume is where the magic happens

[quartz kindle]

how big is the actual compiled llvm?

[wheat mesa]

nvm this is just a folder of vs shit

[earnest phoenix]

The tools of LLVM itself, such as codegen, IR, optimizers, etc etc. reside in the llvm directory

[wheat mesa]

liar, I see no such dir

[earnest phoenix]

https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/tree/main/llvm

[quartz kindle]

my head has trouble processing such colossal projects

[wheat mesa]

It's definitely worth the 55gb

considering what it does

[quartz kindle]

does it cure cancer?

[wheat mesa]

yes

[quartz kindle]

nice

[wheat mesa]

it makes whoever sees it kill themselves, therefore killing the cancer too!

[earnest phoenix]

Also it seems like Linus Torvalds is slowly switching to using our Clang compiler to compile the Linux kernel

[quartz kindle]

lmao

[wheat mesa]

isn't clang slower than gcc on average though

or, well, produces slower code I thought?

[earnest phoenix]

Nope, Clang is well-known to be faster than GCC

[wheat mesa]

Interesting

I've been getting fed gcc propaganda from somewhere then

[quartz kindle]

inb4 russia

[wheat mesa]

lmfao on gcc's own forum, someone had something like this happen

[earnest phoenix]

Although there is a catch, GCC implements the newer features/changes of the C/C++ standards way faster than Clang because they usually don't do much optimizations

[wheat mesa]

good thing c/c++ barely ever has significant changes

[earnest phoenix]

We usually focus on optimizations so it takes a lot longer to implement them on the Clang side

[ancient nova]

how are these stats?

[earnest phoenix]

Not bad, but I would suggest removing the Users field because nobody really cares about that, since they're not the actual users and just the cached users

[ancient nova]

memory usage went from 150mb to ~40mb
uptime is constant, it can go weeks without restarting, I supprossed most errors with my errorss handler and the ping is quite ok ranging from 50-150

[ancient nova]

oh no worries

[wheat mesa]

memory usage, lemme guess you changed it from process.memoryUsage().rss to process.memoryUsage().heapTotal 😛

[ancient nova]

didn't change anything

😠

[wheat mesa]

What are you using for memory usage

[ancient nova]

hold on I don't even remember what I put there

[wheat mesa]

@earnest phoenix for memory usage, RSS is more accurate right?

[ancient nova]

lemme check

[earnest phoenix]

Yes

[wheat mesa]

👍

That's what I always use for it, otherwise you're missing other stuff

[ancient nova]

${(process.memoryUsage().heapUsed / 1024 / 1024).toFixed(2)} MB
``` this is precisely what I'm doing

[wheat mesa]

yeah that's why it's low

use .rss instead

that's more accurate

[ancient nova]

alright let me try that

[wheat mesa]

resident stack size will be larger because it keeps track of more stuff in your process

Like stack allocation, not just heap

[ancient nova]

pls reload stats

[wheat mesa]

Which is a big part of v8's internals I'm sure

[ancient nova]

whoops

😭 it jumped to 117.54 MB

wonder what it would be if I changed it to rss before I did the optimizations

[wheat mesa]

Yup, because it includes that other stuff which is important too

[ancient nova]

more than 300MB?

[wheat mesa]

I highly doubt you optimized it THAT much

Unless you were doing something horrifically wrong

[ancient nova]

I've turned some modules into events

[wheat mesa]

That really wouldn't make much of a difference, whatever that means

[ancient nova]

before executing most things I checked if they're working so no calculations are being done as well

I've mainly optimized the messageCreate event

[earnest phoenix]

Alright well, go ahead; compare the before and after of the optimizations

[wheat mesa]

Again, unless you were doing something horrific I doubt you would've been able to force 200mb more of allocations lmao

[ancient nova]

from ~500 lines to 323

[wheat mesa]

Less lines does not mean less ram

just so you know

[ancient nova]

just saying how much I redid

[wheat mesa]

I can write a memory leak in like 5 lines in C

[ancient nova]

okay show me

[wheat mesa]

:troll:

int main() {
  for(;;) malloc(10);
  return 0;
}

4 lines if you wanna adhere to c standards

[ancient nova]

😭

[wheat mesa]

I think the return 0 is forced to compile

[ancient nova]

for (;;) is an infinite loop if I remember correctly

what did malloc do?

[wheat mesa]

Yes

memory allocation

[ancient nova]

oh so you will just keep allocating more memory until blue screen of death

[wheat mesa]

Normally you'd use it to allocate space, and cast it to a pointer of your choosing

[earnest phoenix]

Or just 1 line in JavaScript

for (;;) Buffer.alloc(50);

[wheat mesa]

lmao

[ancient nova]

[wheat mesa]

A good example is dynamically sized arrays

Where you have to resize and reallocate the array because arrays have constant size and cannot change size

Ah, C, the language where you have to do EVERYTHING yourself

[earnest phoenix]

Ignoring assembly

[wheat mesa]

Well yeah but very few people actually hand write asm now, unless it's for like os dev and some other stuff (which I'm sure you have done some of for LLVM of some sort lol)

[earnest phoenix]

Yep

Even the Linux kernel writes assembly instructions using the asm function/keyword in C

So much optimization

[wheat mesa]

lol

[hard wraith]

having issues with this... Its not resolving to my app on port 3000

[wheat mesa]

llvm and such have gotten so advanced that you probably would not be able to hand write a program in asm that is faster than a c program optimized by a compiler

unless ofc it's this, since this function only returns 1 for any value given to it

[earnest phoenix]

Yeah, it's extremely hard to compete against writing a program in ASM yourself that would be faster than a compiler-generated ASM

[wheat mesa]

so many people working on so many areas of specialty in those optimizations

you'd have to be a literal god

[earnest phoenix]

Unless you know ASM very well

[lyric mountain]

the compiler's only purpose in life is to write asm

do u think u can compete with that?

[earnest phoenix]

Compiler: "You underestimate my power!"

[ancient nova]

I just realized I store afk cache by author ID so even if I check for guild ID as to not make it cross compatible it would still override the users afk if he set it in another guild

anything I can do to fix it?

[wheat mesa]

design a system that doesn't have 2d maps

lol

think about your logic before rushing to write it

[ancient nova]

I won't be able to use collections for it tho

and I don't think I wanna stuff another thing into my bots DB

[hard wraith]

Anyone know anything about DNS SRV records?

[wheat mesa]

Ok, 2d maps are a decent use case for this. I would have something like Map<guildId, Map<afkPeoplesIds, yourObjectForReasonAndStuffHere>>

[hard wraith]

I love this little app.

[quartz kindle]

why ascii mode tho

[hard wraith]

its weird... its for on an ubuntu ssh terminal lol

they have a way to view it in a browser but its paid...

[quartz kindle]

most ssh clients can do better than that lol

[lyric mountain]

why can't they just use window drawing characters?

[hard wraith]

This is my creating an image SFW checker first test...

How do I convert a buffer to an object?

[earnest phoenix]

What exactly do you mean by that?

[hard wraith]

I get a response of json in buffer form from a CURL... I need to turn that buffer into JSON.

nevermind I need to convert the buffer to string then parse it...

[earnest phoenix]

The data is received in chunks, so if you don't seem to have the full data, you can create a variable, concat the buffer to it on every data event call, and convert it to a string

And finally parse it

[hard wraith]

Like this basically. Because this works.

[earnest phoenix]

Well yes because I suppose you already have the full data

[hard wraith]

As the image url sent in is pornography to test the call response, I obviously hid the details.

[hard wraith]

its azure

https://westus.dev.cognitive.microsoft.com/docs/services/57cf753a3f9b070c105bd2c1/operations/57cf753a3f9b070868a1f66c

This is what it sends back, but as a buffer lol

probably because of HTTPS being used... IDK.

[earnest phoenix]

I know, that's not really the point though; the entire data is usually not received as one part, it comes in chunks; you can also you things like https://undici.nodejs.org/ to make it easier to work with

Unless you don't want any dependencies in your program

[hard wraith]

Building a private package so basically no dependencies allowed

im just testing the azure responses to make sure that I handle it properly before creating the package.

[earnest phoenix]

I mean not really unless something else is actually preventing you from using dependencies, private packages can always have dependencies

Unless the licenses say otherwise

[hard wraith]

The company I am making it for specified 0 dependencies

[earnest phoenix]

Understandable

[hard wraith]

However, I am allowed to make a public version of it if I want to lol

I dont get this company, but they paid for it and gave weird specs...

[earnest phoenix]

As long as it pays ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ancient nova]

top.gg down or am I trippin

[spark flint]

down for me