general

[kindred geyser]

Isn't the saying usually "the more I spend on the main product the more I can spend on accessories" because the accessories would be more insignificant

[gentle lake]

for me it’s worth it for the convenience and all the tech that goes into that convenience. and two you have to admit you can tell apple is still a good audio company, their stuff is just so flat and well constructed

[echo oar]

Wasn't there the whole airpods blowing up on people fiasco

[gentle lake]

there’s so many headphones that theoretically are better quality that just lose that quality because of shitty chassis, unwell constructed speaker housings all that shit + all the custom suction shit with airpods, which is kind of finicky but works well if u get it

[gentle lake]

huh

[echo oar]

Swear that was a thing with the early gen airpods

[gentle lake]

never heard of anything like that

[echo oar]

Eh actually it seems to be mostly related to fake airpods

With like a few cases being authentic ones

[kindred geyser]

if you buy fake airpods from a random chinese company then idk i would expect it to blow up

[strong spindle]

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[west ledge]

JBL my beloved

[dusky vine]

JPB my beloved

[hardy sun]

Apple is the superior brand

[dusky vine]

perhaps it is

I've never owned any apple devices because they're so expensive 😢

[hardy sun]

not really

[dusky vine]

yes they are, here

are you in Venezuela?

[hardy sun]

yes

[dusky vine]

well I'm not so

[hardy sun]

rip

[west ledge]

is that your car @gentle lake

[gentle lake]

yes

that’s a sticker from my server it’s fr my car

wtf

[west ledge]

why are you so obsessed with berries

[dusky vine]

because that's his name

why do you think you like mentioning null and voids

because that's your name

[west ledge]

i mean yeah obviously

[fossil path]

@gentle lake omg hi JPBERRY

how much TIME

[smoky river]

[prisma elbow]

Hello

[odd compass]

https://vxtwitter.com/Terraria_Logic/status/1704227519027651016/photo/1 ReLogic W

[fallow vault]

hiop

[echo oar]

So on my pc it averages 120-180

Also just started so not really reliable at the moment, but it seems solid in a lot of high def areas

[severe leaf]

hallo

[chilly cedar]

Hello

[echo oar]

@ivory onyx Already have criticisms

Don't like how you can't fly to the stars yourself, you have to "Set a Course" and you can't just fly to land you have to look at the starmap and press "Land" on the location

[tidal bane]

common terraria W

[pine trout]

Hi

How are u

[novel heron]

How to add my discord server to top gg?

[hardy sun]

does anyone know how to delete microsoft cortana in windows 10?

[prisma elbow]

hello

[chilly cedar]

-addserver

[lilac geyser]

@novel heron

Adding Your Server To Top.gg

So you want to list your server on Top.gg? We have a support article to help guide you through the process! If you need more help please contact us in #support!

Click here to follow our guide!

[steep bane]

Uninstall windoes then install linux

[west ledge]

is cortana really that annoying

[echo oar]

Yea

But you can disable her so

[crystal niche]

hi

[small tapir]

i have a question

how do i make carl bot action log works

[chilly cedar]

-wrongserver

[lilac geyser]

Hey! We think you have our server mistaken. We do not provide support, help, or advice for any bot. You need to click on the "Discord Support Server" button on the bot's page of the bot you need support for. If there isn't a button that says "Discord Support Server" or nothing else mentioned about a support server, the server invite is invalid or you were banned from the bot's support server, then we can't help you. Sorry :(

[nova gazelle]

i wanna add bots to my server but i cant idk why

[muted bobcat]

You have to select your server from the dropdown there

You can only add bots to a server you own or have manage server perms in

[nova gazelle]

i own the server

but i type the server and it didn't showed up

idk what to do

[muted bobcat]

Then it should be in the list. If it's not we can't help.

-notdiscord

[lilac geyser]

We do not represent Discord, nor are we affiliated with them. We merely use their service.

If you have any questions and/or suggestions regarding Discord itself, or wish to report any violations to the Terms of Service, you can use any of these links:

How to leave feedback/suggestions to Discord
How to report bugs/issues to Discord
How to report a violation of the Terms of Service to Discord
How to contact Discord for general inquiries

[nova gazelle]

there sum extra proof

[muted bobcat]

I don't need proof I still can't help

You're on Discord's site there

[nova gazelle]

oh kk mb

[muted bobcat]

Not Top.gg

[nova gazelle]

i typed top gg and and i search dyno and i clicked invite and it brought me to this

[muted bobcat]

Yes we're a Discord bot listing site. We list Discord bots. When you invite a bot you're redirected to the Discord autentication flow. We don't have any affiliation with that.

[pine trout]

We control the whole future and the way you see

[muted bobcat]

Yep, but not Discord's oauth flow.

[nova gazelle]

ohh

okyy

[pine trout]

yes discord's oauth is part of the past

[muted bobcat]

MSN Messenger is the future

[pine trout]

Mac you are using the wrong time machine

that one is problematic it uses python (the time machine you are using)

[muted bobcat]

Damn lemme switch to rust real quick

Guilded.gg is the future

[pine trout]

smh Mac

No company promotion

does medal own shares of guilded or is medal its parent company

[muted bobcat]

I own guilded

I own Roblox and Roblox owns Guilded

[pine trout]

ok stop flexing

it hurts my ego

emri i par grainger mbiemri the finest

[vivid leaf]

yes, they took a waifu character from halo and made her less useful than Clippy

and most of the time detrimental to user experience

[sullen bridge]

[silk plank]

damn

Just wow

[muted bobcat]

Booking my dog into a dog hotel for when I'm travelling and they're asking for her instagram in the contract

[hardy sun]

This is a great article
https://dev.to/thejaredwilcurt/bun-hype-how-we-learned-nothing-from-yarn-2n3j

hyy

[vivid leaf]

...w-why do you need to book a dog?

people charge for it?

[hardy sun]

dog hotel

[tired ocean]

u should create an insta acc for maya

[strong spindle]

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[muted bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/no-time-busy-aint-nobody-got-time-for-that-gif-15753141

[tired ocean]

🙄

[tired ocean]

greetings

[static temple]

dms are open

[chilly cedar]

Cool

[vivid leaf]

this again

[chilly cedar]

Banned

idgaf

[tired ocean]

naw despo people

[polar tendon]

Probably underage too

Seems like they’re unable to understand “stop doing that” like 6 times

[vivid leaf]

maybe just a burner account

[strong spindle]

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[hearty quarry]

pls make nodejs able to use both require and import at the same time

without that type:module bullshit

[hardy sun]

You know why there is an exclusive distinction between the two right?

[hearty quarry]

yes

until bun made both work together nicely

so if they can, node also can

[hardy sun]

It hasn't, what most people don't realize is that a big part of ESM is about security, with CommonJS you can basically modify pretty much anything to point to whatever you want, and cause security vulnerabilities and such that way, exposing both and allowing interchangeable usage is basically adding more fuel to the fire

Supporting interchangeable usage of both also completely shatters the effort of making people finally switch to ESM as it has been doing so for a long time now, to finally make CommonJS a thing of the past and use standards things like ESM

[hearty quarry]

how do you expect people to switch to ESM if its such a pain to do so?

if you want more people to adopt it, it should be seamless and easy to use it

locking it behind a type:module option in a package file, and then introducing breaking changes to the program when that option is turned on makes people wanna stay away from it

[hardy sun]

The more popular libraries switch to it, the more it'll convince users to switch, along with providing more features and convenience compared to CommonJS

When people use that option, they know what they're opting into, so they should change stuff to make it work

Standard and non-standard stuff has always been in war in such things, but eventually one will come out on top

And more than 90% of the time it's the standard stuff that comes out on top

[hearty quarry]

sure, but until then... lib developers have a hard time switching to it knowing that once they do, half of their users will get an error

thats really counterproductive

[hardy sun]

Well that's what happens when you implement something non-standard and it gets a standard and better equivalent after so many years, it's just how things evolve when such things happen

[hearty quarry]

in that sense its already throwing more fuel to the existing fire of needing to support countless import/export systems, like UMD, AMD and got knows what else

[hardy sun]

Just like how when an application or library changes its way of doing certain things completely in a major release or similar

[hearty quarry]

one thing is the library introducing a breaking change: fix it in your code and you're good
another thing is the library changing their supported import system: change your entire project or fuck off

[hardy sun]

Less than 2% of all libraries use UMD, AMD, and other module resolution systems

Nowadays it's either ESM or CommonJS

[hearty quarry]

plenty browser libs still use UMD

because ESM is also locked beind a flag in browsers

[hardy sun]

Plenty yet so little compared to the grand scheme of things

[hearty quarry]

but on browsers you can still interchange both

on node you cant

[hardy sun]

ESM is the default on all web browsers, because it is standard, it is implemented by the JavaScript engine

There's not even a single JavaScript engine out there that implements anything other than ESM natively

[hearty quarry]

im talking about how people load scripts

<script src="abc"></script>
<script src="xyz" type="module"></script>

you can easily do both on a browser

one with a normal script or a UMD script, the other with ESM

node is all or nothing

[hardy sun]

Sure though there's no point when almost 99% is ESM on the browser

[gentle lake]

the commonjs -> esm change is probably the most obnoxious thing to happen to js

could’ve been handled so much better

[hearty quarry]

exactly

nobody is against ESM

but it could be implemented so much better in so many ways

[gentle lake]

yuh

i definitely like it more but breaking everything in the process and splitting an entire ecosystem just wasn’t it

[hardy sun]

There's no better way to handle it, if you don't believe me, say that same thing to literally anybody else that maintains these things

[gentle lake]

there’s no magic behind it

there’s literally no limit to what they could’ve done

it’s code

[hardy sun]

Okay Berry, suggest one good possible way to handle it without compromising the promises and goals of ESM

[gentle lake]

i don’t care about the promises and goals of esm i care that my experience is well off and my shit doesn’t break

that’s your job to figure out

just hide import behind require i literally don’t care just don’t break my shit

the break should’ve happened behind the scenes of node not right in my face as a developer

[hardy sun]

That's unfortunately not how it works when it's literally two completely different standards that also work completely differently, with different contexts and environments as well

This is the problem of implementing something to support modularization of JavaScript when it didn't have a standard way of doing it, especially when a standard way is implemented many years later and is much better

Those who don't work on standards don't realize that mixing and matching them is not a good idea especially when one compromises the goals of one another

[gentle lake]

that’s cool and all but you still broke shit and made the ecosystem a hellscape

anything but this would’ve been better

i don’t really care about what’s going on behind it i care what happened and how much it sucks

[hearty quarry]

even a warning would've been better, for example when you require an esm module, make it work anyway but log a warning on the console

that would bring awareness and get more people to make the transition

without lib devs having to worry about losing users

[hardy sun]

Sure it breaks things, that's how software works and has for as long as it has existed, things change and evolve literally all the time

What is funny is that you're free to do the things you currently do without any issues while also being able to use things generally supported in a different environment, import() in CommonJS, createRequire() in ESM, but mixing the standards shatters their goals and their contexts and environments

[gentle lake]

changes nothing

the one job of maintainers is to create a good development experience, and that didn’t happen

for the things it really matters in there can be restrictions, build tools that can’t cope with both standards can create lines, whatever else

[hardy sun]

If it wasn't a good experience, users would've left it long ago but still agree to its changes, even the biggest projects go along with our decisions because they can't come up with a better way to handle things without compromises

[gentle lake]

but it just doesn’t matter in 90% of code

[hardy sun]

I don't disagree that it brings inconvenience, it's just how standards stuff works and has for the longest time

[gentle lake]

if i just want to run a node program who th cares if i use require or import it doesn’t matter

if webpack says i have to use import that’s where the requirement should lie

[neon peak]

Apparently, about 5,000 people got the Verified Developer badge, that's not a lot, I thought there were way more people with it

[gentle lake]

the fact that in order to have even a decent import experience i have to use a language ontop of another language because the language itself is too dumb to figure it out, there’s a problem

[hardy sun]

That doesn't even make sense, I know what you're suggesting is a seemless experience between the two but that's never happening without the compromises that a lot of people who use ESM for relies on

[gentle lake]

it used to be that i can’t imagine not using typescript because of the types, now i can’t imagine not using it for all the wrong reasons

[hearty quarry]

interestingly, the article voltrex shared about Bun also shits on TypeScript lel

[hardy sun]

Like I don't even see a singular reason to not support interchangeable usage of both if those compromises did not exist, you're free to open up a discussion about it and others will basically say the same thing

[hearty quarry]

and some people in the comments did say they were surprised Bun allowed require and import to be used at the same time while Node didnt, in the sense that Bun beat them to it, and would love to see that being implemented in Node as well

[hardy sun]

We've considered many ways to handle it but all others comes with downsides that the standard itself disagrees with

I would love to have them both working interchangeably as well, if it weren't for those...

https://github.com/orgs/nodejs/discussions/49664

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[gentle lake]

making me want to move away from node fr

[hardy sun]

Check the discussion

[gentle lake]

the answer is bogus

[hardy sun]

How?

[gentle lake]

it just proves what i already know that node just doesn’t want to change

there’s no technical inability to do it

[green hearth]

Oi gente eu sou do Brasil e enviei meu bot para o top.gg como eu sei se o bot foi aprovado ?

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[gentle lake]

they just don’t want to

[gentle lake]

real

[lilac geyser]

@grave trench (yousefosama1#0) has boosted the server

[green hearth]

Oi gente eu sou do Brasil e enviei meu bot para o top.gg como eu sei se o bot foi aprovado ?

[hardy sun]

Because there's a reason for it? Nicely mentioned?

[grave trench]

Hello world

[hearty quarry]

that would be easily solvable by relying on the user to know that to use. user used import? lets assume the file is esm. user used require? lets assume the file is cjs. something went wrong? its the users fault

[hearty quarry]

#general-int

[gentle lake]

it’s just such a dumb answer, a) there’s obvious solutions around the problem b) if it’s such a problematic thing why isn’t it a problem in bun

[hardy sun]

And if the user used both? All hell let loose

[gentle lake]

such a moment love node

[gentle lake]

??

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[gentle lake]

it’s node rocket emoji

[hollow tundra]

Guess what bozos

I'm going to Ikea

[gentle lake]

i thought they just went into your house to take furniture out

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[gentle lake]

isn’t sweden just one big ikea

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[hollow tundra]

Truth

I'm committing a break in

[gentle lake]

those example homes are actually entire displaced families

[hearty quarry]

yes

[hollow tundra]

Fr the majority of the example houses are bigger than my mf apartment (dorm room)

Crying and shaking

[gentle lake]

i’m going to copy and paste an entire ikea room into my appt

good idea i think

[hollow tundra]

Yes do it

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[hearty quarry]

use esm for the imported file, to process all the static analysis, and ignore the requires.
once its done, process the required files at runtime using cjs and ignore the imports

[hollow tundra]

I'm going to buy like one of those mf plants that eat flies and a bin

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[hollow tundra]

If anyone has name suggestions for the plant lmk rn I think imma go with Lenny

Ok plant nerd

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[hollow tundra]

It eat fly

[hardy sun]

You have to determine what module resolution system the file is using, and there's no way to accurately do that when both are used to be able to delegate the parsing and usage of its features, so all Bun does is guess work which is prone to erroneous behavior and failing

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[hollow tundra]

I don't have ant

[gentle lake]

just do both what lol

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[hollow tundra]

I also need to test sit some sofas

[hollow tundra]

Nah not one of those

[gentle lake]

it’s not like the same function is being used and you just pick a number 0 or 1

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[hollow tundra]

I guess so

The ones with little mouths

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[hollow tundra]

Yes

Not even sure my towns Ikea has those tho

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[hard wagon]

bi bot var dolndırıcı nerden basvuruyorum bilgilerimi caldı?

[faint mountain]

#general-int #general-int

[hardy sun]

You simply can't, for example, let's say a file is using both CommonJS exports (module.exports) and ESM exports (export [?default]), now is this supposed to be exported as a CommonJS or ESM module? And how are the loaders supposed to handle it? Delegate a module object with named and default properties? What shall be chosen for a missing default export when a certain loader (require()) is expecting a default export?

Bun is playing a guessing game, there's no concrete behavior here

[gentle lake]

base it on whether it’s using import or require to import it

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[gentle lake]

real i’m going back to java

wait

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[gentle lake]

.jar

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[hardy sun]

That's why I said what if it's using both, you could argue that you could "just evaluate both", ESM first, require second, or vice-versa

Now let's say a different file tries to import this file that uses both CommonJS and ESM, how is it going to determine if the file is required to be imported using import or require()? Since their loaders both do different things

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[gentle lake]

idk bruh that’s not my job to figure out, all i know is that it works in bun and then the only response is “hurr bun is gonna regret that ”

[hardy sun]

😑

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[west ledge]

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[gentle lake]

it really just boils down to the fact that the people supposed to make development good made development bad and now you’re seeing the result of it

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[gentle lake]

developers don’t eat

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[hardy sun]

Only time will tell, you can also try browsing Bun's issues with it, like I'm basically talking to a wall here, to those that don't know the technical details

Like nobody seems to accept the challenges and difficulties of it and its downsides, and be like "just do it"

[gentle lake]

that’s literally your job

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[gentle lake]

berryjs

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[gentle lake]

only commonjs allowed

[hardy sun]

It is also my job to tell people like you the challenges, difficulties, and whatnot of why it's a bad idea

Like saying "just do it" without understanding the actual (underlying) problems is not helpful whatsoever

[gentle lake]

i’m not trying to be helpful i’m pointing at that what was done is easily the worst moment in js in years

[kindred geyser]

Voltrex have you used bun before the hype (like <1.0)

[hardy sun]

I can agree with that but it's the problem of the early design decisions of a programming language like JavaScript

How wonderful it would've been if it wasn't designed initially in just 10 days

And if modularization was considered much earlier, unfortunately I wasn't a maintainer of the programming language at those times

[hardy sun]

Nope, what about it?

[kindred geyser]

Oh I was wondering if you had any opinion on whether they improved or not

[hardy sun]

I mean, it has definitely improved from the times where it was constantly segfaulting on people

[hearty quarry]

their ffi still easily segfaults

but its usually when you use it wrong

[gentle lake]

if you can’t purposefully segfault is it a real language

[hardy sun]

Oh yeah that reminded me, we're nearing the completion of the FFI in Node.js

Will probably be in Node.js v21 and backported to v20

[hearty quarry]

will it segfault if the function is not found, or the argument/return types are incorrect?

:^)

also, how do we deal with return values that are passed by pointers in the arguments with ffi?

ie, this pattern:

int a;
void myfunc(&a);

how do we get the value of a by calling myfunc from ffi?

[hardy sun]

https://github.com/bengl/node/blob/bengl/ffi/doc/api/ffi.md

[west ledge]

node is getting ffi?

[hardy sun]

Yep

[west ledge]

like how does it work

[hardy sun]

You can check that link

[west ledge]

don't we already have the node api

[hardy sun]

The point of the FFI is to do it without native addons

Since it takes a lot more time to make them

[hearty quarry]

doesnt answer my question?

do we pass a type pointer as the function argument?

and how to we get that pointer later?

[hardy sun]

Yes, it's mentioned at the first parts of the documentation

The same way as before, unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean

[hearty quarry]

in C i would use the function like this: myfunc(&returnvalue), so i as the user, would create an int returnvalue; and pass it to the function to receive the value.
how do i in js, create that returnvalue, to pass it to the ffi function, and then receive it back?

do i give it a Buffer pointer?

ie create a buffer of size 1, get the pointer to that buffer using getBufferPointer, then give the pointer of that buffer to the ffi function

and then my value should be in the buffer?

[hardy sun]

Exactly

[west ledge]

will there be performance improvements if i rewrite my library to switch from node addons to node ffi?

[hardy sun]

That's hard to say, it's much better for you benchmark it once we mark it as stable

[hearty quarry]

in theory, napi should be faster

but we have to wait and see

[west ledge]

true

[hearty quarry]

@hardy sun@west ledgehttps://koffi.dev/benchmarks

these are older benchmarks, probably a year or 2 ago

but back then node-ffi was hundreds of times slower than napi

[hardy sun]

Yeah, it's way faster now

[west ledge]

@sullen dove join

[sullen dove]

stanky

@novel heron no ads here mister

[novel heron]

This is not an ad

[sullen dove]

it is an ad

you cant tell people to "join" wherever

[novel heron]

This is just a browser link

[sullen dove]

yes, and we don't allow it here

[novel heron]

To voice chat

[novel heron]

Ok sorry

[sullen dove]

no worries, just dont do it again

[novel heron]

Ok

[hollow tundra]

@strong spindle they didn't have mouth plants

Got other shit instead

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[hollow tundra]

Picked out the sofa imma buy when the next CSN and study loan payment drops

[flint ermine]

@sacred lantern

[polar tendon]

Ok so these are nice but I’m gonna look like a weirdo wearing that at school to study, any other suggestions that are a little more low profile?

(I don’t need a mic per se, just using these for audio)

[chilly cedar]

Ohh

You want ones you're also going to wear around campus

Wait am confused though

So you want something that's not Bluetooth, but dongle based

But still wanna wear them around school?

Or what do you mean

[echo oar]

Morning cosmic

[runic sun]

#ticket

[vivid leaf]

again?

[olive blaze]

Hm?

[vivid leaf]

another topgg copycat, according to them

idk why they deleted the message tho

[worldly olive]

wow deletions seems to work very well (random deletd user who left a review)

their username is still there 💀

this is no gdpr

it means they arent deleted even

theres no 404

[faint mountain]

[worldly olive]

it is not hard at all to delete user data

are devs of site that lazy

[faint mountain]

naw

[proven garden]

cc @muted bobcat

[muted bobcat]

Yeah I think this is known

[worldly olive]

very gdpr respecting

[muted bobcat]

They can always request deletion by emailing us in a support ticket.

[worldly olive]

does the delete user button just rename your account or what

[muted bobcat]

Not sure how we're responsible for checking if they're still signed up with Discord but I'm no lawyer

[muted bobcat]

No it deletes your account

404

[worldly olive]

why is the "social" still there

theres no 404

[muted bobcat]

This is someone who deleted Discord not their Top.gg

[worldly olive]

really?

oh

[muted bobcat]

Yes

[worldly olive]

ah that makes sense then lol

[muted bobcat]

Not sure how we're liable for that

[worldly olive]

i thought that was people who deleted their top.gg account

and it wasnt fully deleted

alright yeah this isnt on you guys

[runic sun]

I found someone copying top gg website

[muted bobcat]

Nope if you delete your Top.gg account it deletes your account

[worldly olive]

ok thats good

[runic sun]

I found someone copying top gg

[muted bobcat]

I found someone copying their messages

[runic sun]

if I tell I would be called a snitch

[runic sun]

I’m not even joking around

[muted bobcat]

Neither am I

[runic sun]

Your the owner of Pixxie bot?

I’m here to tell you it sucks

[muted bobcat]

Yeah I know

[worldly olive]

what 💀

[runic sun]

I reported it

Just because of the roasts

[muted bobcat]

Damn

[hollow tundra]

..the roars??

If pixxiebot can roar imma add it everywhere

[muted bobcat]

Guess I'm gonna get banned

[worldly olive]

💀

[runic sun]

No

Do u want a screenshot

Of someone copying the website

[muted bobcat]

Sure

[runic sun]

Since u don’t take it serious

buddy

[dusky vine]

are the roasts user-submitted?

[muted bobcat]

If it makes you feel better sure

[muted bobcat]

Some are

[worldly olive]

if i buy "final step of add server flow" does my add show to everyone who adds a server to top.gg

in that week

[muted bobcat]

Yes

[worldly olive]

damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[runic sun]

Is that u on ur pfp

[worldly olive]

so my ad showing to everyone rn

[muted bobcat]

No i found it on a stock photo site

[runic sun]

u look ugly

The respect way

Respectful *

[muted bobcat]

Good thing it's not me

[worldly olive]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-my-honest-reaction-gif-25652576

[runic sun]

U got any latinas

[worldly olive]

bro u see me in my pfp?

thats literally me

[muted bobcat]

I tell you what I have got, better things to do.

[runic sun]

Garbage Cleaning

[muted bobcat]

Yeah for example

[worldly olive]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-drama-discorddrama-gif-22395692

[muted bobcat]

Far more productive than this conversation

[runic sun]

Ah

[vivid leaf]

smh imagine doing free(ptr)

[runic sun]

Mac

Big mac

https://tenor.com/view/mcdonalds-big-mac-commercial-fast-food-gif-19970584

[worldly olive]

mac is a big w i dont know what yall talking about tbh

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-blade-runner2049-defeat-sad-disappointed-gif-17817916

me (ryan gosling)

[muted bobcat]

Whoppers are better

[worldly olive]

https://tenor.com/view/agony-gif-23084585

[runic sun]

Add a kissing channel

U look beatiful today

[worldly olive]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-gif-26382103

[runic sun]

Add a kissing channel

[muted bobcat]

Damn

[worldly olive]

W rizz 💀

[runic sun]

I need to rizz up some Latinas you got anyone?

[muted bobcat]

I'll open #announcements and rename it #kissing

[runic sun]

Deal

[worldly olive]

mac dont u actually own this server

[muted bobcat]

No

[runic sun]

Server info

[worldly olive]

you dont>????!?!

i thought u did

who does own it

[muted bobcat]

Top gee gee

[vivid leaf]

server is owned by @paper quail iirc

[runic sun]

Duck

[runic sun]

What if I blacklist u from @hardy raft

How would u feel

[worldly olive]

thats a bot

[vivid leaf]

servers can be owned by bots

[worldly olive]

true

anyway @muted bobcat ur like the

"owner" of this server

like "owner"

[runic sun]

No

[vivid leaf]

besides, the advantage of having a bot as an owner is that whenever the head of topgg changes, there's no hassle about transferring ownership

[runic sun]

Bud whqt

[worldly olive]

BUT... who owns the bot

[runic sun]

I do

?blacklist

Bug

[vivid leaf]

likely a discord team

[worldly olive]

true

[muted bobcat]

No I'm an employee

[worldly olive]

u own the server on top.gg site too

[faint mountain]

me

[muted bobcat]

That's just the top.gg listing

[worldly olive]

cmon nowww

dont u sort offff manage this server more than othe rppl

[muted bobcat]

It doesn't mean I own the server

And no

Our mods do way more than I do

[worldly olive]

who created all the channels

and perisions

[muted bobcat]

All I do is Auctions support

Ok I did do the channel restructure last year but again, doesn't mean I own the server

It belongs to Top.gg

[worldly olive]

cmon now give it up

[muted bobcat]

No

[worldly olive]

like you are sort of the server owner

like yes not officialy

[muted bobcat]

No

[worldly olive]

but u have the most power

BRUH

he does not give up

[muted bobcat]

I'm an admin not the owner

[worldly olive]

thenm whop is the offical owner

[muted bobcat]

Never gonna give you up

[hardy sun]

@icy timber

[worldly olive]

BRO

[hardy sun]

is the owner

[muted bobcat]

Top.gg

[worldly olive]

that was so random

[worldly olive]

but the unofficial one

?

[muted bobcat]

Hmm?

[hardy sun]

what don't you understand

[muted bobcat]

Top.gg the company

[worldly olive]

who actually manages the sereverr

[hardy sun]

community manager

😱

[muted bobcat]

The staff

[worldly olive]

and arent you part of the staff

[muted bobcat]

Mods and CMs

No

Look at my roles

[worldly olive]

like nobody else has the admin 0erm

perm

except u

[muted bobcat]

I see no mod or CM role

Xiuh has admin perms

[worldly olive]

yeah but i see disord admin

[worldly olive]

who els

[muted bobcat]

One Medal employee

And that's it

[worldly olive]

so 3 people

you and the xiuh person

and a medal employee

[muted bobcat]

Yes

You looking for someone to hack?

[worldly olive]

ok so you are server owner decided

[kindred geyser]

Is the medal employee that irrelevant that they have to be named by their job

[worldly olive]

yes!! i am going to hack the server!!! what can i even get from doping that

i have no idea how to do that anyway 💀

[muted bobcat]

They don't do anything here so you wouldn't know them

[worldly olive]

mac

ur the 'server owner' now admit it

not officially

but like

unofficially and extra unofficially

mac gave up

🤑

[kindred geyser]

u ok?

[worldly olive]

yeah u

[hollow tundra]

Can't blame him

[hardy sun]

your more stubborn than me

[worldly olive]

https://tenor.com/view/is-this-information-legit-gif-9202849568376436420

[vivid leaf]

it's a tight contest

[topaz anchor]

Does this mean I'm 1/20th the owner of top.gg?

[strong spindle]

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[topaz anchor]

That would be up to xiuh

[sacred lantern]

hey how’s it going top.gg

[open plank]

holaaaaa

[tawny shuttle]

wanting to hate on türk Telekom mostly

hahahahah 1400 liras for 1 gigabit

and 610 for 24 megabit

ahahahahhahah

[prisma drift]

They canceled my bot approval due to unnecessary permission, but I do not have unnecessary permission, how can I object and explain myself?

[tawny shuttle]

dm the reviewed

[prisma drift]

he is not active

[prime harness]

i've spoken to xiuh before that means i am owner too

👍

[chilly cedar]

dm them and be patient

[hardy sun]

Apparently DALL-E 3 is a thing now

[prisma drift]

ok I am waiting

[prime atlas]

[ripe junco]

[pine trout]

https://youtu.be/r4NL2e6jJ04

[pine trout]

People have some weird setups

[wary harbor]

Anyone like death?

[strong spindle]

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[olive blaze]

For Premium as well now, if I understood the announcement correctly

Not going to buy credits for something that's not worth it

At least my first experience with their API was... questionable

[faint mountain]

@ripe junco gn

gn dbl! :D

[ripe junco]

gn burbur

[faint mountain]

[kindred geyser]

gn

[west ledge]

good morning

[jovial mango]

Hey

[nova sigil]

zamn

haven't been here for a while

what's poppin

[vivid leaf]

Mary is

[hardy sun]

nothing

also i'm just noticing

which mod abused their perms and made my nickname

beyond the mine

???

please reset it

[west ledge]

shrug

try leave and rejoin

[hardy sun]

i hope said mod gets fired

[vivid leaf]

Perhaps u mistyped it

Given how long it took u to notice

[west ledge]

wdym

no roles have no nick perms

[hardy sun]

?

[vivid leaf]

When he was choosing an username

[hardy sun]

never miss typed it

[vivid leaf]

How would u know

[hardy sun]

if you click on my profile you can see it's beyond the mind

lol

not beyond the mine

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[hardy sun]

some mod thought it would be funny to abuse their permissions and change my nickname

😁

[strong spindle]

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[west ledge]

[hardy sun]

yeah

i wanna press charges against whatever mod did that

[west ledge]

dm him

[hardy sun]

click messages

[west ledge]

and see his username

[hardy sun]

and you'll see my real username

[strong spindle]

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[prisma elbow]

Morning everyone

[hardy sun]

thank you for believing in me

[strong spindle]

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[hardy sun]

i wonder why they changed it though

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[west ledge]

he has been in the right several times

[hardy sun]

what is wrong with "beyond the mind"

[west ledge]

not once

[vivid leaf]

Discord mobile consistency™️

[west ledge]

y'all should stop nitpicking him

[hardy sun]

wow this is unusual

[lilac geyser]

@terse timber (clawx69#0) has boosted the server

[hardy sun]

no one here has ever said anything like that

[lilac geyser]

@terse timber (clawx69#0) has boosted the server

[prisma elbow]

Hii

[quartz moss]

oh come on he's been right more than several times

it's more like a few

give him some credit

[hexed bronze]

Hiii

Anyone remember me

[steep bane]

Oh hi 69

[west ledge]

hai welper

[steep bane]

Hi null

[west ledge]

someone from your uni came to my school for a live talk

[steep bane]

Nice, rip I forgot next week I have to also do the same

[west ledge]

poggers

what do you have to do next week

[steep bane]

I haven't prepare the matterial

[steep bane]

Talk to highschool about the why you should choose SI in the future

Tbh I have no idea what to say

[dusky vine]

why you should choose skill issue in the future

[west ledge]

so everyone else would have skill issue but not you

[steep bane]

If only I can say that

Should I just yolo and freestyle it

[dusky vine]

what's SI

[hexed bronze]

hmm i remember you

[steep bane]

System informasi/Information System

[dusky vine]

ah

what's the difference between IS and IT

[west ledge]

is SI related to informatika

[dusky vine]

whaddat

[steep bane]

I amma be honest, I have no clue

[west ledge]

informatics

applied cs

[dusky vine]

maklumati

dead

[hexed bronze]

Idk

[hexed bronze]

Wow Kuro

[west ledge]

they are probably the same

[hexed bronze]

hru kuro

[hexed bronze]

I'm gud hbu

[steep bane]

Somehow I have to debate with them too why is si better
I think its hard to win tbh

[west ledge]

si is better than what

[steep bane]

To debate against CS

[west ledge]

si is better than cs because in cs you have to memorize shit like algorithms and how computer works

this

[west ledge]

is this a current uni program?

where college students of your uni have to go to highschools and talk about tech

[steep bane]

Apparently its character building class

[hexed bronze]

I'm fine

[west ledge]

you should've chosen my school smh

imagine welper talking in my school

[steep bane]

Its random tbh

[west ledge]

oof gl

i hate public speaking

especially towards hundreds of people

[faint mountain]

[hexed bronze]

same

[hexed bronze]

hiii

[faint mountain]

meow

[steep bane]

Same especially course I am an introverted

[hexed bronze]

no i am the cat

[west ledge]

i swear i kept shaking when i do so

[hexed bronze]

anyone there?

[hexed bronze]

no not really

[hexed bronze]

Cool

[steep bane]

I can RELATE

[west ledge]

glad im not alone

[dusky vine]

same

I also struggled with presentations a lot back in high school

I dunno how I survived allat

literal bocc

[steep bane]

Do my strategy
Team il do the slide u presentate it

[dusky vine]

yep I did that once haha

but iirc I still had to present a little but it was ok

[west ledge]

at least talking in front of your class is still better than talking in front of hundreds of people

for me they also said that the mic is recorded which made it even WORSE

[solar vortex]

dm spammer contacting people at random in here. been probably like months since I sent a message and I get this out of the blue and we only have 1 mutual server

[steep bane]

@montgomery_381

[dusky vine]

I think the opposite

[west ledge]

how

[dusky vine]

I dunno, it's less stressful because you're not with them physically

[dusky geyser]

Hi

[steep bane]

Both are same with me

[hardy sun]

i believe i can die in this hell

[hexed bronze]

I think that's just a friendly guy trying to make friends

[hexed bronze]

yep

[prime harness]

@hollow tundra

[solar vortex]

it's one of those crypto "do you want to get paid to play video games? sounds cool, right?!" things. I've had it happen in other servers too, just never this one

[hexed bronze]

did the guy replied

[cloud marlin]

Cov's humor: A friend just told me Iron Man was his favorite hero. I said "I bet none of his clothes are wrinkled". 👕👖

[steep bane]

Or just a marketing dude

[hexed bronze]

yeah

[hardy sun]

hi

[hardy sun]

@olive blaze

hello sir

i am requesting that you reset my nickname as one of your moderators abused their permissions and changed it

i also wanna know who it is and why they changed my nickname

[grim junco]

Hii, I want a bot that is for verification but all they have to do is type their last name and their first name to get in, any reccomendations?

[hardy sun]

please

🤲

[olive blaze]

I would not say they got abused, will check why your name got changed

[hardy sun]

ok thanks sir

[willow kelp]

[prime harness]

because of this

[hardy sun]

what does that have to do with them changing my nickname

they changed it without my consent

[prime harness]

because you said beyond the mine instead of beyond the mind

so they changed your name as ajoke

[hardy sun]

that’s not funny

i want them fired

[prime harness]

☠️

[hardy sun]

abusing your permissions as a moderator should be a fired

[polar tendon]

sounds like every asshat customer I've dealt with

"i want them fired"

[prime harness]

lmfao

[hardy sun]

yeah i want them fired bc they’re abusing their permissions

[olive blaze]

Imagine getting fired as a volunteer

[hardy sun]

i never asked for my nickname to be changed

please tell me who did it

[olive blaze]

I won't

[hardy sun]

why???

[polar tendon]

losing his shit over one letter is wild

[prime harness]

wait until you realise you can leave if you don't like the mods or what they do

[polar tendon]

you're gonna harrass them lmfao

[olive blaze]

Please don't cry over a simple nickname change

[hardy sun]

your moderators are abusing their permissions

and make my nickname beyond the mind not this

as it was originally

[prime harness]

this is why i made it a tag in CW ☠️

[hardy sun]

it should have never been changed

[olive blaze]

The nickname was in no way hurting you, get over it

[olive blaze]

Pretty good tag!

[prime harness]

who pissed in battleless's cornflakes

[ivory onyx]

everyday?

[polar tendon]

battleless when he realizes you can't sue the shit out of someone for a tiny inconvenience

[hardy sun]

no

i want your moderator fired

[olive blaze]

I will get you fired instead, unecessary drama

[prime harness]

can we get battleless fired (banned)

yes

[hardy sun]

please change my nickname back to what it was originally

[ivory onyx]

i thought we went over this. moderators are volunteers

[olive blaze]

-b 1069001636061663324 Causing unecessary drama over a nickname change

[lilac geyser]

dondathedon#0 was successfully banned.

[hollow tundra]

hello Harold can I speak to your manager

[prime harness]

LMFAO

[ivory onyx]

NO FRICKING WAY

[hollow tundra]

it was I btw

[ivory onyx]

it's about time

[dusky vine]

lel

[prime harness]

watch him join back on his e0c acc

[dusky vine]

that account isnt in this server, which is good

[hollow tundra]

I thought my silly little re-naming prank was funny dunno why he took it so hard

[ivory onyx]

oops

[dusky vine]

I guess you could say it wasn't family friendly for him

[ivory onyx]

did i just see the unread messages banner say 'unread messages as of december 2016'

probably a glitch

[polar tendon]

he sent me a friend req lmao

[shadow bone]

lmao

had to come in here to react

i am leaving now

[dusky vine]

why didn't he send me one

I'm literally the nicest to him

[hearty quarry]

oh lord

now hes in my dms

[steep bane]

Solution

[ivory onyx]

got banned

[prime harness]

this is a different conversation

[steep bane]

I am going to keep him unread

[ivory onyx]

i would just delete his dms

[muted bobcat]

Ok! We're ready for PROD!!!

[hearty quarry]

beautiful

[silk plank]

!deletedms

[hearty quarry]

!deletewebster

[muted bobcat]

hmm interesting https://discord.com/build/app-pitches-2023

[silk plank]

-ban tim

[silk plank]

What’s this?

[shadow bone]

they have the ticket tool owner as a judge

[silk plank]

what

[shadow bone]

did you even click the link

and make an effort to understand the context

[silk plank]

I did but wont load

Im on my school wifi and the vpn can do so much

[shadow bone]

also the blurb outlines it pretty well

a place for people to submit new discord ideas

[silk plank]

Ah.

Try this.

[quartz moss]

NOOOO

they massacred my boy :(

[silk plank]

Lmao

[fading thistle]

once battleless always battleless

bro told us he was a new man

[gentle lake]

bro turned into a karen

[strong spindle]

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[tired ocean]

(again)

[hollow tundra]

the arc was just on break while he was muted

I dont wanna speculate but I recon this is the end of the arc

[quartz moss]

:(

[tawny shuttle]

battles ™️

why does turk telekom especially suck after like

21:20

or 30

[tawny shuttle]

💀 not use prefix commands; and

[pine trout]

Thats a fancy environment there

What are u guys using

[muted bobcat]

Lol this is just a github repo i have for a local postgres backup script

We use it for mod bot db backups

[hardy sun]

https://ian-deploy.xyz/ energy

[lofty tartan]

Does anyone know an editor or a thumbnail designer by chance if u do dm me fast pls

[chilly cedar]

use fiverr or freelancer

this server isn't a recruiting server

[jovial mango]

They posted it in other channels too

#commands #general-int

[prime harness]

https://elondeploy.xyz

way better than ian deploy

every time twitter goes down i see traffic on this domain spike lmfao

[olive blaze]

Here's what I predict: Discord is trying to implement new features, steals the best one and promotes the worst one as a winner

[prime harness]

nah this is for bots

pitch a bot idea, if its good you get 5k

and if you actually go through with the idea, you get 10k funding + support from discord directly

i already have ideas

[fossil path]

hi chat

[lunar frost]

hola chat

[lilac geyser]

@lunar frost (dymtim#0) has boosted the server

[lunar frost]

shh no i didn't

[prime harness]

apparently ian doesn't work for discord anymore

[hardy sun]

Yeah, Night doesn't either

[prime harness]

[fossil path]

do you remember, 21st night of september

[olive blaze]

I am confused

[prime harness]

other ian

theres 2

[olive blaze]

Now named developer.oppression

[hardy sun]

Devsnek doesn't work at Discord anymore either

[olive blaze]

Name sounds not familiar to me 😅

[prime harness]

thats their username

[olive blaze]

Laid off so many people

[prime harness]

i think ian left by choice

the layoffs ended in August

[pine trout]

Dont you hate it when your stomach starts acting up before sleep

And there is a fucking mosquito flying around

Fuck cocktails and fuck mosquitoes

Fuck this fucking painful world

Humans should advance on the painless state of mind.

[coral plover]

just say no to the pain

[pearl cypress]

Hi !

[pine trout]

It doesnt work like that

[coral plover]

maybe u are not an alpha male like me

[pine trout]

Stop eating random marshmallows you find in the forest

[coral plover]

never

they taste funny

[pine trout]

I told u lots of times already

[coral plover]

noo they are so yummy

[pine trout]

Yk what else is yummy?

[coral plover]

what

[pine trout]

Strapping a camera on a fish

[coral plover]

no

[pine trout]

https://youtu.be/Iap16d2vPH4?si=gCmcSV0esKGYdPMg

Too late

[hollow tundra]

But who will make Ian deploys now?? Bro was my inspiration

[prime harness]

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[hollow tundra]

Sauce

[strong spindle]

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[hollow tundra]

Apple sauce

[strong spindle]

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[modest berry]

@ripe junco found a banger

https://youtu.be/uzUAEvJfPi4?si=HrIz-IlLpkFpBK-h

[faint mountain]

@ripe junco gn

gn dbl! :D

[prime harness]

gn burb

[frigid dagger]

helo

[west ledge]

give me one

[hardy sun]

hi

[ripe junco]

@west ledge @strong spindle @modest berry im getting my second tattoo tomorrow

[strong spindle]

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[ripe junco]

im getting a dnd tatto

[hollow tundra]

bard

[ripe junco]

tattoo*

dis

the next one i get will probably be ffxiv

[ripe junco]

josh and darren are getting oen too

don is coming but he cant get one

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[ripe junco]

its a party

im excited

[strong spindle]

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[ripe junco]

its been like

[strong spindle]

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[ripe junco]

a week maybe

lol

[strong spindle]

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[ripe junco]

i got back on saturday yeah

and ive been on vacation and doing nothing but sleeping

except now my kids are sick so

thats fun

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[ripe junco]

no sorry

only hype for tattoo

josh is getting a moogle

[quartz moss]

i am very scared of my linguistics class