#trams could have underground stations

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bleak mauve
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It would be nice that trams would have underground stations without being a metro, this can make trams go on the surface on low transit areas and on big avenues they can go underground, it would be cheaper and the trains will be shorter than a metro, this could be useful for small cities that have some avenues but they are not too big 🙂

bleak mauve
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I made a test with an underground road with tram rails and I connected throughout an underground passage for pedestrians

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And I think it could be a good idea

thin mantle
maiden sail
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Yeah I tried this under a roundabout. It was a good idea but didn’t quite work

lusty maple
bleak mauve
bleak mauve
vital nebula
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Can't we already connect a pedestrian road to a underground tram way?

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Not saying it's a bad idea, but initially probably better suited to an asset for elevated or LRT trams and stations, including underground stations and passenger elevators

thin mantle
thin mantle
# bleak mauve It’s like a Tram and a Metro at the same time

no: the only thing that exists thats even close to that is Seattle's "1-Line" yes i know its not called "line 1" why... I have no idea... but anyway: uses 4 car Siemens & Kinkisharyo trams, connected together, 79% of the line is entirely grade separated: 57% of it is in deep bore tunnels... you see where im going here: Seattle built a metro using trams.. to say the least, it has not gone very well..

thin mantle
nimble solstice
vital nebula
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I'm just saying something with so many variations may be better solved with either something more generalized (i.e.: better support for elevated trams and elevated metros with elevators and other ways to get the stops working - now) and custom assets (- later, with editor support)

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I was able to get a stacked elevated tram network working, main issue was connecting it...not a lot of good options

thin mantle
vital nebula
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more vehicle variation would be appreciated as well

thin mantle
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for example

vital nebula
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I meant the models

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There's no way CO would have been able to implement 6 years of DLC + the base game in CS2

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plus you have a slope...and you're not putting in a funicular train?

thin mantle
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i have a city with 25,000 people: it needs a metro & has 3 tram lines.. 2 Light rail's 1 streetcar, I built a metro, but its completely wierd, because it uses 6 car trains... that run every 10 minutes IRL, when in irl it would use VAL metro trains rubber tyred, & 2-4 car trains..

thin mantle
vital nebula
vital nebula
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😛

thin mantle
vital nebula
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HEY, do you want to make bridge go over water, or water go over bridge?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdeburg_Water_Bridge

Magdeburg Water Bridge

The Magdeburg Water Bridge (German: Kanalbrücke Magdeburg) is a large navigable aqueduct in central Germany, located near Magdeburg. The largest canal underbridge in Europe, it spans the river Elbe and directly connects the Mittellandkanal on the west side and Elbe-Havel Canal on the east side of the river, allowing large commercial ships to pas...

thin mantle
vital nebula
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also the mine it takes from is literally in a tunnel

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so it STARTS in a tunnel, takes a lift

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goes around-and-around

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then ends up in a port

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CONTAINER SHIP SUPREMACY

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some guy with a tunnel boring machine: "you sure"??

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very confused train supremacy: ???

thin mantle
vital nebula
thin mantle
vital nebula
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Just rename subway to metro unless you're in NA theme

For EU: Metro
NA: Subway and elevated light rail (or just Metro you weirdos)

Solves everything!

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My biggest complaint about some elements of mass transit is that some of the "new types" were just different flavors of the other types.

Monorail is really just "special train" especially considering how rare they are and that they require special switching platforms IRL . Maglev is just specialized monorail. Funicular? Special train.

Basically train, bus, tram (because of it's integration with road) and Metro (because of it's widespread worldwide adoption) are like your basic types, and we need better tools and variations of them I agree. What I would like to avoid however is adding entirely new line types like "air" or "sea" like mass transit did with "cable car" and "monorail", which, while it was cool... Was honestly better implemented with a mod

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I would also argue it would help to group them in their category under 'train transport" "tram " "Metro' which could then be broken into subcategories

bleak mauve
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In my city (Granada) there is a light rail tram

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And it has 3 underground stations from the 26 that it actually has

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So I built it in Minecraft first and then I’m going to plan it in CS2

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What do you guys think about the train

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I like trams since I was born

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Just as ropeways and cable cars

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I want to hear your opinions

thin mantle
thin mantle
bleak mauve
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Yes

bleak mauve
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And planes, my favorite one b787 o a330 900 neo

thin mantle
bleak mauve
dry folio
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Here is another real world example from Germany of an underground tram system (sorry if it is already mentioned): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Düsseldorf_Stadtbahn

And another more extreme example from Japan, where a metro line is connected to tram line so that a subway rolling stock is seen running on a regular road: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keihan_Keishin_Line

Düsseldorf Stadtbahn

Together with the S-Bahn Rhein-Ruhr, the Stadtbahn Düsseldorf (Düsseldorf light-rail system) forms the backbone of the local public transport system in Düsseldorf, which is supplemented by other tram and bus lines. On some lines, the light rail operates beyond the city limits of Düsseldorf to the neighboring cities of Neuss, Meerbusch, Krefeld, ...

Keihan Keishin Line

The Keishin Line (京津線, Keishin-sen) is an interurban railway line in Japan operated by the private railway operator Keihan Electric Railway. The 7.5 km (4.7 mi) line connects Misasagi Station in Kyoto and Biwako-Hamaōtsu Station in the neighbouring city of Ōtsu.

bleak mauve
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While I was living in Munich I took the U Bahn, it would be nice to add more train models, like a setting with a lot of models of trains from Renfe, Deustche Bahn and other services from other countries, this could be prefab or from community workshop

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I would like to see the S Bahn

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Or the U Bahn in the game

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What do you guys think about my new idea I took from the trams?

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W or L

thin mantle
thin mantle
thin mantle
dry folio
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A more expanded version of this idea may be to add a new flexible rail option that can handle any rail traffic on any rail surface. I created a separate post since allowing underground tram is likely easier that such flexible option and should be implemented independent of what I have in mind: https://discord.com/channels/263634513861541888/1173732924877705308

It is crazy to see metro rolling stock on the street in Japan, but there are IRL examples of full freight trains that street-runs in the U.S. (see above post for examples.)

thin mantle
bleak mauve
thin mantle
thin mantle
# bleak mauve Have different types of trams

but also the ability to have 2 or 3 "car" trams allowing for more capacity in irl its insanely common to connect 2 LRV trains to each other, and run them as pairs, this way you get double the capacity.

bleak mauve
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This are not trams they are the S Bahn and ICE trains from the DB, they could add this models in a pack and then you can download that pack from steam comunity and use them, because the trains that are in the game are normal, I think it would give a good touch if you want to build a typical German city

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bleak mauve
thin mantle
bleak mauve
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But they can add more models like the fantastic class 345 that operates in the Elizabeth Line and in the L.O or the CAF CIVIA

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and if we go in to a deeper level they can add the 1996 stock from London or the CAF Series 3000 that operates in Madrid

bleak mauve
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If someone has more ideas please tag me, I want to read them so we can get to a main idea 💡

tranquil umbra
bleak mauve
waxen hinge
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ugh no. this won't ever happen. maybe someone can mod it. Trains are one thing.. but trams?

bleak mauve
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Trams are good

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The are cheaper than a metro and they are very useful

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Trust me I live in a city with ONE line and is the best thing that happened to the city in such a long time ago

thin mantle
bleak mauve
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Americans go wild building things

thin mantle
bleak mauve
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Here in Spain we usually use trams

bleak mauve
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The only 2 cities I know in Spain that have a real metro are Madrid (great infrastructure and great lines) and Barcelona Metro (I’ve never took Barcelona metro) also bilbao

thin mantle
vital nebula
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Well get assets for more variations, sure, eventually, but currently we don't even have elevated metro...

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We have "subways"

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And walkways suck and stackable networks suck

waxen hinge
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the op suggestions arent those...

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vital nebula
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Your opinion is noted but not a representation of... Well, anything

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We don't get elevators to connect those either

waxen hinge
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please stuck to what the op suggestion..

vital nebula
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But yeah they just are basically asking for metros which are already a thing

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I blame the game for naming them subways

waxen hinge
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Im just saying my opinion that the devs wont implement Underground trams, so wait for a modder

vital nebula
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If you read the suggestion they basically just want metros

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Which are already in the game

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By another name.

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Which I think is a localization error and poor choice of tooltip

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There's only a few regions that even call them subways, and that's only when they're underground

waxen hinge
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trams arent metros.. you can call it whatever you like, but it is two things, even games seperate them

vital nebula
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Yes, but trams underground? Might as well be a light metro

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Which is just a metro with a different vehicle selected.

waxen hinge
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.> how about trams, trains and trams underground oh how nice.. if it doesnt cause collusion.

vital nebula
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I guess if a modder wants to, sure

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But most of those systems would be considered a metro

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With a light vehicle

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The tunnel system involved doesn't change much

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Nor does the station

waxen hinge
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Im saying the devs wont do it, so this will just have to be a modder thing.
You can make it if you like.

vital nebula
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I'm saying it even being considered a tram at all is likely a translation loss

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I'm sure we'll get vehicle variations, the free themes were getting are including 28 or whatever world themes

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By different community devs

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For free

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On the PDX mod thing

waxen hinge
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shrugGogo call wha it is.. tram are street trains, and metros are just trains that can go under/above ground.. and it is fasterrrr

vital nebula
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But it's called a subway in game

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For goddess knows why

waxen hinge
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trams are limit in speed

bleak mauve
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If trams were faster it wouldn’t be safe for pedestrians

light yoke
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Yeah I think more options to make trams act sort of as medium capacity rail with its own dedicated right of ways would be huge.

slate gull
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In Strasbourg the tram has an underground station under the train station, so that would be good to be able to do that, for interconnection

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And the tram station is also orthogonal from the train station, so that it can cross it

real prairie
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Would love that

bleak mauve
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Yes

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Here in Granada we have Recogidas, Alcazar Genil and Mendez Núñez as part of the underground part of the tram

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This is in Villarejo

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Near the train Station

real prairie
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We have an underground tram station at Luceros, the centre of Alicante