EPISODE 1

[rocky pond]

the enclave has like a billion bases

[frosty tapir]

the enclave have basically just become the khans - they never die no matter what ridiculous things happen to them lol

[rocky pond]

i like the enclave they're fun scary faction behind the scenes, and ghoul cooper says in the finale s1 that there's gotta be someone behind the wheel and i feel like its more often than not thats the enclave

[untold socket]

There's still the space station, i think. There's probably more oil rigs, and who knows how many bunkers similar to Raven Rock.

[crude pollen]

I saw a post where it was like "the only complaint I have about episode 1 is that the dino is supposed to be facing away from novac not towards" and someone commented "the khans turned the dino around to do flips into the pool" and this is now cannon

[frosty tapir]

the space station isnt really confirmed its more conjecture based on what the enclave's original plans were

[rocky pond]

do we think the show is getting some more tactics lore in?

[worn ruin]

The shadowy figure definitely isn't House like I've seen some suggest, since it's Barb who looks up at the figure for confirmation(?) before giving her spiel.

[crude pollen]

also I think its interesting that valut 24 was cut content from new vegas 🤔

[frosty tapir]

hope so

[untold socket]

We're probably gonna get more tactics lore in general.

[untold socket]

Yeah, it's someone either high up at Vault Tec, or ABOVE Vault Tec.

[rocky pond]

i am excited by that prospect cause that story is really fun even if the game is hard to get into

[arctic kite]

When I see Norm got hungry in that scene, I thought he's was going to eat the brain guy

[untold socket]

He should've, Bud didn't even deserve to get put into a RoboBrain, they stuck his ass on a roomba in a Vault and called it a day.

[rocky pond]

i was thinking that! i was literally saying "what happens if he smashes the jar and eats the brain"

[frosty tapir]

i love all the prewar flashbaacks btw i feel like a game cant really show much of the prewar stuff so to have a tv show that can do it via flashbacks is so good

[vagrant narwhal]

I’m curious to see how Norms actions play out since I would think they would have to show it in episode 2.

That feels like something they can’t delay a few episodes showing imo

[wet burrow]

AFAIK, Colonel Autumn didn't die if Speech Checks were done.

[rocky pond]

i mean if we go by fo2 the people above vault tec are the enclave

[untold socket]

They definitely can. I want my Operation Anchorage flashback.

We already saw parts of it in the teaser.

[frosty tapir]

there is a confirmed anchorage flashback with cooper

him with pa is very cool

[rocky pond]

and since welzig basically just tells lucy everything about her vault when they first meet it seems the enclave vault tec connection is still there in the show too

[jolly dust]

I’m honestly slightly worried about however they end up dealing with the figure. If it’s vault tec I’m pretty sure the reveal just is like…LOOK some dude you’ve never seen, oh, he’s high-level. And oh, he’s vault tec, the people who run the meeting you’re talking about? Like it seems like a bad reveal. Enclave or something else at least has the “whoah, someone else was controlling some people that were that high up at vault tec?” Reveal. House would have the recognition of “I know who that is”, but tiny chance that’s supposed to be him

[untold socket]

Yeah this is true. So Autumn could've rallied the Enclave for a retreat, and went somewhere else to lick his wounds. However, it's confirmed there's no chance he stayed in the Capital Wasteland since Maxson conquered it entirely.

[rocky pond]

maybe he went to chicago

[jolly dust]

I’m also kind of expecting them to flesh out that scene slightly. The amount of times it’s been replayed, it wouldn’t surprise me if they end up showing us that we weren’t seeing the full picture before.

[frosty tapir]

i cant wait for the grand reveal that it was john enclave all along

[rocky pond]

JOHNCLAVE!

[frosty tapir]

johnclave lmao

[untold socket]

Anywhere but DC would be a safer bet, it's where Maxson's hold is the strongest.

[worn ruin]

Honestly I'm keeping my eye on any new side characters in the pre war scenes, think they might pull a twist where an otherwise innoculous side character is a high ranking pre-war enclave member

[simple tulip]

what if he went to DC 2

[wet burrow]

And the Operation Anchorage DLC for FO3 is heavily biased towards General Constantine Chase.

[rocky pond]

like the betty and hank reveals being background characters but they are main story characters in the vault

[frosty tapir]

does an anchorage flashback mean we will see live action chinese stealth suits

[untold socket]

Yeah, which is why - when you look at the minor Anchorage clips we've gotten, even with Coop being in t45 - the Battle looks insane.

[rocky pond]

that would be insane

[untold socket]

It's at nighttime, too, i think, the flashback.

[wet burrow]

Also true, since Cold Fusion was completed in Season 1.

So Colonel Autumn must've put what little resources left into that project.

[frosty tapir]

i find it kinda funny in retrospect how much moldover spoke to cooper prewar trying to get him to help expose the whole consipracy, only for him to turn up late at the end of s1 where shes already dead and he cant have one final psotwar conversation with her

[rocky pond]

i wanna see how she survived to live that long

[untold socket]

Cryopod, most likely. They seem to enjoy that trend, evident by the show and FO4.

[jolly dust]

I do think there’s a solid chance of something like that being the case, though I don’t feel like there’s many people who that could be yet. Especially with the upcoming vegas stuff though I think there’s potential

[wet burrow]

And why he knows about that particular weld in the chest plate on the T-45 and T-60 models.

[untold socket]

Yeah, it's what I was thinking too.
Or at the very least, whoever is at the current Enclave head knew Cold Fusion to be a priority. So it does make me wonder a lot about the shadowy figure. Cause the Enclave has always had their hands involved in Vault Tec to some level.

[untold socket]

Yup. It's one of the reason I'm wondering if they'll showcase it in the flashback - if that's where he saw the 'flaw' occur specifically. Maybe watching his fellow soldiers die in that way.

[faint yoke]

Drink water.

[fierce notch]

doctor house

[wet burrow]

The most important center, the oil rig, of the Enclave was destroyed, which lead to the remnants going to Washington D.C, then when Ravenrock and the Adams Airforce Base being destroyed, those that remained must've scattered.

[untold socket]

Technically, yes, but they Enclave is also aware of MODUS and the Branch that sprawled out of 76. It's also confirmed, that I believe MODUS & Eden conversed before Eden took the mantle of President of the Enclave.

It was back when Eden referred to as ZAX. I believe.

It's possible that MODUS, and Eden weren't the only Supercomputers under the Enclave's arsenal either.

[sand crown]

I think it's Anthony house

[untold socket]

It's not. There's a lot of evidence to suggest it's impossible.

[sand crown]

no one thought he was house in the bar, just a "fan'" even though they were looking at him on the TV he kept talking about H&H tools

[untold socket]

The biggest thing people keep missing/forgetting is Anthony & Robert hate each other.
They will never work together under zero circumstances.

[wet burrow]

The top two, most likely.

Wherever the Cold Fusion data was held in took priority after major setbacks.

[sand crown]

The guys at the bar were looking at a TV with house they turn around and don't recognize the guy and they think he's a fan

[jolly dust]

Well, another one

[untold socket]

Yes, but house OWNS H&H at that point.

It's not Anthony. Anthony is way too mentally unstable.

I mentioned it here but this is why it's almost impossible for it to be Anthony.

[sand crown]

Well Bethesda ain't above retcons tbf

[untold socket]

No but it would be stupid, and the more likely answer is the simplest one - which is House has a body double. It's basic, simple, and very on par.

As opposed to him creating an elabrate comically evil plan to brain-wash his mentally unwell brother to serve as his public image double - which would also make no sense because Anthony is just as much of a public figure as Robert.

[sand crown]

Well one he's labeled as strange man in the credits
two they were just looking at house on the TV turn around and don't recognize the guy

[untold socket]

Yes, but context clues, and other information we're privy to suggest otherwise. Not to mention if we're talking about credits, there's zero chance in Bethesda's history they hire Justin Theroux as Anthony House.

You don't hire a big name actor like that, and throw him in as Anthony, there's just zero chance.

[sand crown]

We'll figure it out soon

[untold socket]

That we will.

[jolly dust]

It’s just bad storytelling to drop a super obscure reference for the average audience as the big twist in an the first episode. Show writers are unlikely to do that, ESPECIALLY when they seem to be trying to gain more of an audience

If there was one actual line between like, Moldaver and Cooper where she’s like ‘we’ve been watching his brother…’ then I’d say MAYBE there’s something. But there’s not. And H&H contextually doesn’t do it.

[mighty scaffold]

Ya that might make sense if the House we see post war during the show on the computer screens is actually Anthony that took over after the courier kills Robert House although the game never calls Mr House Robert House, yea they mention it but no one technically would know if that was Anthony or Robert if they aren't prewar

[jolly dust]

I imagine we have it more confirmed by next week since it seems like Cooper meeting House in Vegas in the prewar flashbacks probably happens then. Could be later though ofc

[untold socket]

Especially in a mocking tone, which is something Anthony doesn't do. Anthony is a paranoid, schizophrenic man who believes his brother is out to kill him. He's not gonna go out and mock unionists.

[jolly dust]

Yeah, all of his lines are played (especially in that scene) in a very smug, cool, tone…like he knows that he’s smarter than the rest of them and they don’t know what’s going on.
Like, that’s a Robert thing haha

[untold socket]

Exactly, it's literally his MO. lol And he mocked them, to get them out in the alley way - to do a live test run of his device on them, in the name of 'progress'. That's literally Robert to the letter.

[jolly dust]

Honestly it would be funny af if like, two weeks from now it’s revealed it is Anthony and not only did they mess up ‘tHe LoRe’, they will also choose the sloppiest and most convoluted way to explain the situation, and also manage to make everyone unhappy lol

If I were a gambling man however, I would be very confident in betting that it’s NOT Anthony lol

[wet burrow]

Wouldn't make sense for Anthony's death to be retconned, however obscure.

[tiny summit]

think this season may have Johnny Guitar randomly?

[frosty tapir]

Itll probably all be cleared up in ep2 when the flashbacks show cooper meeting house

[wet burrow]

Oh, God.

Would be funny having the jukebox malfunction and have it on repeat.

[lament lichen]

Maybe Johnny Guitar is best served for when Lucy inevitably snaps?

[jolly dust]

Yup

[tiny summit]

i wonder if he'll ever reference the Vault 76 dwellers in any capacity

[untold socket]

Yeah, the answer will be in episode 2 or 3.
Which im sure we'll all be here back to talk about.

The Reclaimers.

[wet burrow]

I am sure the Enclave Remnants are dead at this point, knowing they might be mentioned since their involvement with the Battle of Hoover Dam.

[lament lichen]

At most, I’d expect a passing remark where he compares Lucy to the 76’ers in some way.

[untold socket]

You mean Arcade and the Navarro strays?

[tiny summit]

a bunch of chemed up, mutated sons of bitches who did anything for money and loot?

[wet burrow]

No, the veteran remnants from Fallout 2.

They can be convinced to help by the Courier.

[frosty tapir]

Did anyone else get the impression the reason all the communists in tbe vault died is cause they discovered a branded sugarbombs box and went crazy or am I just making thst up in my own head lol

[untold socket]

You confused me for a minute, those are the Navarro strays. Lol they're all survivors from the NCR sacking Navarro. They were left behind by Autumn's father, unfortunately. But yeah. They're most likely dead, Arcade's probably up there in age, in his 60s maybe 70s.

[wet burrow]

Yeah, I just realized my mistake. Just facepalmed.

[frosty tapir]

Whoa whoa arcade wasn't thst old in nv

He was only in like his early 30s

[wet burrow]

Arcade's father was there, what I am talking about are the old veterans that were actually there IN Navarro and the Oil Rig.

[frosty tapir]

Yeah I know i wasn't responding to thst lol

[untold socket]

You're right - he's like 35, my bad. If it's like a 25 jump, he'd be at least 60.

[lime sorrel]

the problem is that he knows when the bombs fall with what he knwos in the show which doesnt make sense at all

[lime bolt]

Except we also still don’t know who actually fired first, it’s never confirmed vault tec did fire first, just that they were capable of doing so.

[lime sorrel]

technically but thats not really whats implied is it

[untold socket]

The mesmetron in Fallout 3.

[lime sorrel]

yeah but 3 is ass

[untold socket]

Tim Caine confirmed it was China.

[lime bolt]

Also even if vault tec did fire first, they definitely could have fired earlier than house thought, his line of “I thought I had more time” could even back that up if that’s the route they go with.

[lime sorrel]

Sadly tim caine hasnt been in charge since 1

[distant glacier]

Tim Cain doesn't work on Fallout anymore

and alot of stuff has been retconned from Fallout 1, from 2 onward

[untold socket]

If it wasn't true then it would've been contested, easily.

[distant glacier]

He's a good guy but was only completely involved in Fallout 1, and barely Fallout 2

Its better off being a mystery anyway, who dropped it doesn't matter and takes away from the point of the games

[untold socket]

He said this literally last year, and no one disputed it. Lol

[heady berry]

god all im thinking is how utterly disappointed the vault 76 overseer would be in vault 31

[distant glacier]

So he said it decades after he worked on Fallout, not canon lol.

[untold socket]

No he said it in reference to the show. Because people were asking.

It was in an interview.

[distant glacier]

And that changes anything, how?

[lime sorrel]

either way the vault tec nukes are so stupid

[heady berry]

agreed

"ah yes, lets nuke our golden goose that we have full control over how much we can exploit"

[distant glacier]

It doesn't matter in what context he said it, his words aren't really canon anymore considering he hasn't been on the team for 20 odd years

I just hope they keep it a mystery moving forth on the show and they dont outright confirm vault tech

[untold socket]

So we pick and choose what consistency and context matters? It's a bit silly, but we'll agree to disagree. Lol

[distant glacier]

Playing the blame game on a specific player dropping the bombs takes away from the theme

[distant glacier]

No, its just he has no authority at all over what is and isn't canon lmao

[lime bolt]

Nah it’s been long enough to where a definitive answer is more than okay.

[heady berry]

i wonder, how many people would take $31 million dollars to put an unknown device in their neck.

like 31 million is generational wealth, but is still in a "realistic" realm of wealth

[untold socket]

A lot would but the point was to make them blink, and they definitely did blink which gave Robert the opportunity he needed.

[distant glacier]

It doesnt really matter much who dropped it anyway, every government was complicit in their own ways aiding the end of the apoc

and corporations too

[distant glacier]

inflation is also insane in fallout so it would be worth less, but still alot lol

[lime sorrel]

also absolutely wrecks there control of the world

[heady berry]

that is true, considering a cup of coffee was $29 lol

[distant glacier]

A bunch of folks would take the cash though

[untold socket]

Any unionist would. 🤣

[distant glacier]

Damn im thirsty time to drop a days pay on a can of red bull

[lime bolt]

I mean their plan was for all of humanity to be wiped out except for their vaults, so they would have complete control in how the new world would be built

[jolly dust]

He also directly confirmed in that same video that while it was intended to be China when he worked on it, that China dropping the nukes is absolutely not canon and wasn’t ever fully canon. Just what they had assumed at the time

[untold socket]

Didn't he double down in October with it being China again in his video???

[heady berry]

yeah but they should be smart enough to know that humanity works exponentially, so any return from whatevers left is nowhere near the amount of that could be generated if they didnt drop the bombs

[distant glacier]

Again, even if he did it doesn't matter what he says because his words aren't canon anymore lol

[lime sorrel]

tim caine also didnt intend for sahdy sands to be in LA his opinion on lore matters ajckshit when it comes to the show

[distant glacier]

yup lol

[jolly dust]

lol he doubled down on China dropping the nukes not being canon and that he doesn’t control canon lol

[untold socket]

Fair enough.

[distant glacier]

People really gotta understand that fallout lore is inherently all over the fucking place to begin with, its one of the most disorganized lorebooks in a videogame series lmao

things are constantly changing

[jolly dust]

The fact that the closest thing ever properly made to a lore bible is fully known to not be entirely canon is funny lol

[distant glacier]

Imagine how bad it was in the 2000s, it was REALLY crazy then

[lime bolt]

You assume rich people are some sort of geniuses that know all when they quite literally are far from it. Christ these are the same people who thought having a vault filled 20 men 10 women and a panther would yield some sort of valuable information

[heady berry]

i still believe china dropped the nukes, just because of the invasion. plus the yangtze guy literally states he drops the nukes

[heady berry]

from what we know, at the very least house was smart, if narrcisitic

[distant glacier]

House is SUPER narcissistic and egotistical

[lime sorrel]

the shady sands LA stuff bothers me way more though tbh

[distant glacier]

and he basically bullshits his way to getting the courier on his side lol, he has business know how

[lime bolt]

Yes which is why I’m in the camp of him not being part of VTs plan to drop the bombs first

[untold socket]

He is. He believes he is humanities best case scenario for progression, and survival.

[lime bolt]

And he’s certainly right about that

[lime sorrel]

and the NCR being nuked but thats not a retcon just stupid ass writing

[heady berry]

we dont know that for sure, he could be bluffing as an logos way to persuade the courier

[untold socket]

Yeah, he pretty much uses Vault Tec for information, knowledge, and access to tech. I'm almost positive he's just taking advantage of them

[distant glacier]

Yeah I enjoy the show but the way they are handling the NCR is really saddening tbh.

[lime bolt]

I mean if you know of these groups of people who very much age the ability to drop a nuke, you’re kinda backed into a corner

[lime sorrel]

yeah wasteland has to be reset back to not having any sort of developemnt bc that owuld be too interesting

[distant glacier]

Especially after reading the amazon show description introducing factions that makes the NCR sound like a disorganized "republic-esque" (in their own words) as if the country would just collapse after one city gets bombed

[heady berry]

amazon shouldnt have ever attempted to simulate what happens when a country collapses in a realistic way

[lime bolt]

It was their capital

[distant glacier]

"so yeah guys the Washington DC got hit by bombs so the country has completely regressed, buh bye United States"

[lime bolt]

If the politicians are there when it happens it very much could

[distant glacier]

Thats not how it works, the country has a congress, senate, legislation, and multiple states with MASSIVE cities and population centers.

[jolly dust]

Don’t count the show descriptions as being worth anything. Those aren’t intended to be lore and are sloppy publicity blurbs. What’s in there doesn’t even mean that the people making the show follow that, either.

[untold socket]

What's funny is that the NCR was working, it wasn't perfect, and had its issues - like all factions, but they expanded the most and had the most normalcy to them. The fact they're being reduced so much is super sad.

[distant glacier]

It wouldn't there are genuinely so many contingencies in place

[lime bolt]

And where do you think those people are?

[distant glacier]

Across the country, they dont just sit in the capital for years

[heady berry]

in ww2, the roc moved their capital several times as the japanese invaded china

[untold socket]

They probably moved the Capital after Shady Sands.

[distant glacier]

Hell, we don't even know if Shady was the current capital

[lime bolt]

Yeah but if the president, congress, his entire cabinet plus the designated survivor, and SCOTUS all died, yeah I’m not sure how things are gonna pan out in the short term, and that’s pre nuclear fallout. That happening in the wasteland make collapse even more likely

[heady berry]

also, wasnt it stated last season that shady sands was a former capital?

or was that a theory

[distant glacier]

Its called line of succession, whoever is next would become president

and it goes all the way down to the most lowly of politicians

[lime bolt]

Yeah his entire cabinet also dies too, I said that

[distant glacier]

ok, they'd be replaced

[heady berry]

then whoevers next after his cabinet is next

[distant glacier]

They'd ensure the line of succession is continued from another states governance

[lime bolt]

I literally said his entire cabinet also, plus the designated survivor, and congress all die

[distant glacier]

Republics aren't simply one straight line of leadership

[lime sorrel]

the US Is a horrible example lmao if DC got nuked and all of federal congress and executibe branch died the state governors would just form an ermegency govenrment

[lament lichen]

Worst case, maybe the NCR military stepped in if Kimball and friends got totally wiped out somehow?

[lime bolt]

That’s literally not how it works

[distant glacier]

Yes it is lmao, a state of emergency would be declared and another government would form up in a more stable area

[heady berry]

the US currently has 18 different people in the line of succesion, and we only have 18 because the chances of all 18 people dying at the same time is extremely low. do you not think that the NCR would have an even longer succession line due to its comparatively smaller/more unstable environemnt?

[distant glacier]

Actually, not even another government, the federal government would just relocate

[untold socket]

We'd have to wonder if Kimball was in Shady Sands when it blew.

[lime bolt]

The line of succession only includes the president, vice president, his cabinet and the President pro Tempore and speaker of the house. There’s no contingency if all of them were wiped out, and all of congress meaning no new speaker or President pro Tempore can be elected

[distant glacier]

the line of succession goes much further than that lol

[lament lichen]

And that’s assuming Shady Sands was even still the actual capital and Hank didn’t just nuke the NCR equivalent of Philadelphia.

[lime bolt]

No it doesn’t, at least not constitutionally

[lime sorrel]

hell non US countries have had there entire line of succession wiped out and survived fine

[distant glacier]

if the entire chain of president succession is gone, the military takes over

[lime bolt]

And that’s where you run into the problem of legitimacy. We all know how military juntas work out

[lime sorrel]

Quite well generally

[untold socket]

Here's to hoping the NCR was expanding after New Vegas, and didn't just stop.

[lament lichen]

I mean, it’s the post-apocalypse; once crap hits the fan, the men with guns might as well have authority.

[distant glacier]

Fair enough, even if the NCR ceased, I feel like the other states would still thrive quite well, since they aren't depending on shady sands for resources.

I find it strange that there is zero mentions of huge places like Hub, Boneyard, and Reno

[lime sorrel]

the hub could probably just establish its own state

[heady berry]

not to mention, in the 0.01xE-18% chance that all 18 peopel are wiped out, guess what happens....congress elects a speaker and boom the speaker is president

[untold socket]

That's also not even taking into account the areas Maxson expanded with the Brotherhood who live under his authority, which as far as we know - is super well off.

[lime bolt]

ANd that’s what I’m saying. Things would very much be out of control if the Washington DC was bombed and all of government was wiped out, post nuclear fallout, a rebuilding faction could very easily crumble if their capital and leadership were wiped out

[distant glacier]

The show just acts like New California is an inhospitable shithole when that certainly is not the case considering the amount of civilization and society that is now present there

[lime sorrel]

what is all 433 house members died

[heady berry]

place your bets on who wins in this epic 50 player battle royale!

[lime sorrel]

the brotherhood only controleld bunkers by NV

[lime sorrel]

itd be california texas or new york lol

[untold socket]

No they didn't by Fallout 4 Maxson expanded way beyond. I'm talking about recent lore confirmations. Lol

[lime bolt]

Not if congress is wiped out too, which is why state of the unions make great targets for any potential attack. The NCR could have had something similar happen when shady sands was nuked

[lime sorrel]

on the east coast yeah

[lament lichen]

And it’s not like things went haywire 50-100 years ago; Shady Sands only went boom roughly fifteen years prior, there’s still plenty of folks around who were alive back when the NCR last controlled LA.

[heady berry]

ntm, where the fuck is the shi? if NCR is literal fragments, where are the shi?

[untold socket]

Maxson absorbed all the chapters and has his Brotherhood stretch across the coast. And it's said that he controls all of DC. Even after he left, it still completely under his command. But also means the Chapters he aborsb extended his reach of control, too.

[high dagger]

Can someone send me a screenshot of that clip where Hank activates that terminal and it says that he has like 400,000 unread messages? I'm planning a meme

[distant glacier]

Yeah, wheres the nationalism, the pride, the culture of New California. All we see is a literal dirt farmer (which makes zero damn sense considering the NCR had a strong farming economy), and ofc the obligatory scrapyard shithole of filly, especially so close to the capital.

and then just dusty remnants of everything else

[lime sorrel]

yeah where tf is the hub

[untold socket]

You'd think we'd see more of those jobs.

[distant glacier]

Boneyard has been completely forgotten as a major city of industrialism and populace

[lime sorrel]

if shady sands got nuked and the NCR government collapsed thered be a succesor state

[lament lichen]

Place looked hardly more built up than the Capital Wasteland minus the radiation being everywhere.

[distant glacier]

most of all, where are the classic adobe structures

[lime sorrel]

boneyard and shady sands are magically the same city for some reason

[lament lichen]

They’re also separate states too.

[distant glacier]

and then we have the "govermint", so in 15 years NCR citizens reverted to dumbass hicks?

considering the NCR also has an education system

and the "president" is full of vile mutations, like damn in 15 years healthcare also went to shit?

[lime bolt]

Yeah that’s actually really believable. If your form of government got wiped out, especially in the pretense that it’s been trying to rebuild what was the old world, yeah they definitely could have reverted back to how things were in the wasteland

[distant glacier]

I just cant see that happening in established communities and cities

[lime sorrel]

were in the wasteland checks notes a hudnred years ago

[lament lichen]

NCR weathered stuff like the Brotherhood wrecking their currency, let’s not forget.

[distant glacier]

Especially since they already have their own local goverments existing for about a hundred years

[lime bolt]

Especially with not having to pay taxes anymore, hell yeah they’d revert

[lime sorrel]

hisotircal total government collapses dont end civilizations in cities

[high dagger]

Long live the Republic! Pay your taxes!

[lime bolt]

Yeah in those cases the entire world hasn’t gone to shit

[distant glacier]

The roman empires collapse didnt turn people into dumbass hicks, they just kept on with their lives

[lament lichen]

If anything, wouldn’t the Brotherhood occupying the site of their original capital be a good ‘rally around the flag’ focus for the NCR proper?

[distant glacier]

the fucking black plague wiped out like a third of people in europe and people still didnt lose their religious or nationalist beliefs

countries and kingdoms still persisted, wars were still fought, banners still flew

[lime bolt]

And the world wasn’t an irradiated shit hole where the wild life is on Australia levels of difficulty

[distant glacier]

New California has been largely tamed by the time of new vegas

[lime bolt]

Where everything tries to kill you

[untold socket]

If the NCR had the manpower to do it, they would have. That's kind of the issue. AT THIS POINT IN TIME - the NCR should've been able to mobilize back around the area at least.

[lime sorrel]

thats al lbeen killed and tamed

[distant glacier]

and the wasteland isn't as violent torwards normal wastelanders that live in communities since they dont walk around in a condensed map with deathclaws every 5 steps

[lime sorrel]

Infrastructure outside of shady sands still exists which is the important part

[distant glacier]

People dont go on vacation if they are being chased around by violent mutant beasts all the time, people in New California largely became either factory workers or farmers, working on ranches or in cities, and if some of them had time to visit vegas as tourist I'd say things aren't too bad there.

[lament lichen]

Hence why I hope we see actual mobilization from the NCR in S2.

And not just bands of LARP’ers.

[distant glacier]

and as we all know, tourism from new cali citizens to vegas is BOOMING

or atleast was, before the show

it's basically the equivalant of a life lived in late 19th century America.

with advanced medicine and weaponry, aswell as transport.

[untold socket]

For all we know, at least we hope - they could've just pulled back on their expansion to refocus on bolstering. Which is what the optimistic in me is hoping for. Since we know from Cass, and others, the NCR expanded a lot. I imagine, or I hope, that losing their Capital would mean they'd recoordinate their efforts.

[distant glacier]

Definitely.

[lime bolt]

And yes I checked, the NCR senate is located in shady sands

[distant glacier]

Indeed

[lament lichen]

Though they eventually need to stand on business now that the Brotherhood are popping off again in force.

[untold socket]

Which means it probably would've fallen to other politicians or military. God, Moore as president.

[distant glacier]

Moore gets shit done, she'd just seen horrible things in the brotherhood war and doesn't have time for peacetalks

[untold socket]

If the NCR is smart, they'll focus on bolstering and when the fighting ends - they'll clean up.

[lament lichen]

Or Oliver. I’d sooner take Heck Gunderson over either of those two as POTNCR.

[untold socket]

I love Moore as a military leader. Not the President. Lmao

[lime bolt]

He most likely blows his brains out

[distant glacier]

Overrall, I have less of a problem of the NCR dividing up after the capital loss like RJ said, I have more of a problem with the fact that the rest of the built of civilization in lore is not being presented.

Especially when places like the Boneyard and Hub exist

and somehow New Reno has gone completely unmentioned in the show as with all the others.

[distant glacier]

For sure lol, we see irl how electing a miltiary leader goes ALOT lol

usually doesn't end up very good to say the least.

[lime bolt]

In fact a decapitation strike on the NCR senate would have played a big part of the canceled fallout 3s backstory

[distant glacier]

That's actually pretty interesting.

I'm also surprised Vault City has gone completely unmentioned in the show, considering yaknow, vault tec. lol

What would Hank think of them?

I also wonder why the refugees from Shady Sands ended up in a previously unknown vault rather than fleeing to other major populace centers.

(that somehow didn't get drilled open by the master, despite it's literal giant monolith of an entrance)

[lime bolt]

I think it’s implied the west coast vault tec group is a split from the other parts of the company. The Tri vaults were buds personal designs

[distant glacier]

Makes sense

No visuals or mention of Mojave Outpost either so far

Surprised they didn't show it since it's New California's entrance to the Mojave Wasteland, and has the huge statues

They did show Primm in the exit credits, so they're planning something with that general area atleast.

and primm slimm lmao

[heady berry]

for vault 24, did the vault fail because the test subjects took over? how did the communists die out?

[untold socket]

The unsatisfying answer might be, it was left when the experiment was done, like others have been.

[lime sorrel]

also wouldnt vault 4 be blasted by the master

considering its in LA

[distant glacier]

Yes lol, it would've been drilled open like a can of spaghettios

I also find it funny that they showed some motorcycles at novac (which the Khans obviously rode in on). Yet the ghoul and lucy decide not to take a set of wheels instead of walking through the huge ass desert

also helios one being on novacs door step (rip old lady gibsons scrapyard, it got de-materialized)

[untold socket]

You know for a fact the NCR took over Novac for Sunburst if Helios is that close. lmao

[distant glacier]

Im surprised it didn't get shelled into rubble considering how close it was lol

you already know those brotherhood paladins didnt give a fuck where they were shooting their gauss rifles and gatling lasers lmao

[glass forge]

What is that?

[distant glacier]

End Credits for episode 1 of season 2, it shows primm, and the famous robot sheriff.

it also shows the bison steve and mojave outpost

weird thing is the street is WAY smaller than ingame, super tightly packed

which means the town is going to be involved in some way or another in the next episode

How? I don't exactly know considering the lucy and the ghoul were already in Novac, which means they must be backtracking for whatever reason

Unless they just say fuck logic and teleport there (which they probably will for plot convenience lol)

[solid moss]

Or maybe someone else is going there?

[distant glacier]

Possible

[solid moss]

To be fair
What you a re saying is correct
There is no reason for lucy and ghoul to go back to primm because that means they are going backwards and not fowards
So the only reasonable assumption is someone else is going there like...
fuck i forgot the bos guy

[distant glacier]

Also just noticed, that the highway literally cuts right through helios and the sun farm, it was originally connected

[solid moss]

They changed novac quite a lot
Not sure if i miss it or not

[distant glacier]

Its a pretty rough change tbh, especially since Helios One is such an important location

also no repconn facilility : (

[solid moss]

To be fair...
The ingame is always 10x smaller than the actual one

This is why new vegas looks so damn small where as in real scale, its massive

[distant glacier]

Yup, so logically the show would show the IRL size I feel like

but they somehow managed to make the area even smaller than ingame

[solid moss]

Which area to be specific?

[distant glacier]

The area of Helios One and Novac, they are wayyy too close to one another, the hills are gone, and old lady gibsons scrap yard is entirely gone, these locations are supposed to atleast be a few miles apart

Helios One should be much larger aswell, and shouldnt have a highway cutting straight through it

even ingame they are more reasonably distanced and sized than in the show

[solid moss]

I just realised something
How exactly sure are we that we are going to helios one?

There nothing there (beside archimedes) that would benefit them

[distant glacier]

They aren't headed to it as far as we know, im just saying that its literally right beside novac

they actually entirely glossed over helios one since they moved on from Novac pretty fast in the episode

(helios one is that building and tower in the back)

and no gibson scrapyard at all, it has been omitted lol.

[solid moss]

The right side or the left side?

[distant glacier]

Right side, zoom in and you can see the sun farm around the tower

the highway cuts between helios and the sunfarm for whatever reason, even though they were connected in game

the tower is also much shorter now

[solid moss]

Hmm

[distant glacier]

its basically in novacs backyard now lol

[solid moss]

That's...
wait are we sure its helios one cause that cant be it

Its too damn small and too damn close

[distant glacier]

it is, it has the solar farm and tower lol

Thats what ive been saying, but its the same tower (albeit nowhere near as tall as its supposed to, and the building is tiny too)

[solid moss]

How are you so confident its actually helios one?

[distant glacier]

ingame for reference

[untold socket]

Also if people are still questioning whether the guy in the bar is Anthony or not, Amazon is pretty much confirming it's Robert apparently. Lol

https://youtu.be/Rl4mLof2kLo?si=xGUCeym9tszRbIE8

[solid moss]

They could just build it?

[distant glacier]

yes, what else would it be, and why would there just be a random other solar farm and replica tower and building lol

literally exact same tower design

and you can see the reflecting panels on the ground

the building has the same structure aswell

albeit a bastardized version lol

[solid moss]

So...
You're telling me
NO ONE, in 200 years, decided to active archimedes???

[distant glacier]

guess not

[jolly dust]

Yeah, those are pretty solidly supposed to be the same thing. Nothing is ever going to be a perfect 1:1 but like, those are so simular it seems tough to see that as anything else

[solid moss]

They better next episode just casually show the REAL helios one and not this fake wannable

I hate the khans
THEY RUINED HELIOS ONE!

[distant glacier]

Hopefully, imagine operation sunburst in the show version of whatever fucked up portrayal of novac and helios that they portrayed lmao

since helios one is now 15 feet away from novac apparently

[jolly dust]

I'm already entirely against it being Anthony, but unless I'm missing something this clip is just the scene from the Episode exactly? What here would confirm or is different? There's no new description or anything

[solid moss]

nah
turns out its literally right next to lucky 38 and house did not notice someone was making counterfiet caps

[distant glacier]

lmao

[solid moss]

Also
I just realised something

The great khans are defeinitely the most luckiest faction ever

They got almost wiped out by 6 different protaganists

Assuming if the courier went and wiped out the khans (although not confirmed so it will be just 5 different characters)

They almost got wiped out by:
Vault dweller
Chosen one
Courier (In theory)
Ghoul
Lucy
Dogmeat

[distant glacier]

I hope they get primm right atleast

Imagine if they pull the same bullshit and make Primm like 50 feet away from mojave outpost lmao

[solid moss]

I dont think sending nukes to the khan is even gonna wipe them out
They are goddamn cockroaches

[distant glacier]

True

Hopefully Fallout 5 has khans as a punching bag again

[solid moss]

Mate
it would be the 7th time they almost got wiped out by the main character

[distant glacier]

Well it is a fallout tradition to bully great khans

[solid moss]

6 TIMES and they still recovered

[distant glacier]

[untold socket]

It's the title implying that the introduction to the man in the bar, is Robert House.

[jolly dust]

oh LOL

They changed that already

[distant glacier]

lmao good catch

interesting they changed it, must be planning something

[untold socket]

They're slick. LOL

[jolly dust]

That's why I was confused when I looked at it...I'm like there's NOTHING identifying here

[distant glacier]

Amazon must genuinely have like 1 unpaid intern writing descriptions and stuff for the new season because they are fucking EVERYTHING up lmao

[solid moss]

Well we have seen amazon lore and its clear they are BAD

[distant glacier]

the amazon descriptions in the explore tab for factions and whatnot have a bunch of typos and innaccuracies too

[solid moss]

Casually saying the BoS was founded after the war
Mate i even checked chatGPT and it got it right

[jolly dust]

Actually I just checked it on a different browser with a VPN and it shows the same as yours

so actually they're just doing their Mr. Beast ahh A-B testing of different titles/thumbnails to see what actually brings in more viewers from YouTube searches lmao

[solid moss]

Are they even getting paid for it?

[distant glacier]

the wasteland is the wasteland is the wasteland

nice one amazon

[solid moss]

Alright just to confirm
Its the same with me

[untold socket]

Haha, glad i noticed it at least.

[solid moss]

Also house be looking good
This is very close to the original one

[jolly dust]

Honestly it's very likely a full time publicity person who works on a large number of different all at once and is constantly trying to get answers to what they're able to or supposed to say, but are stuck between the technical departments constantly needing things before they're ready and the show people who are busy with other things, not synopsis & descriptions

[distant glacier]

this description implies that the followers of the apoc are a reason for freesides chaos LOL

[solid moss]

Honestly
Proud of them for finding someone who looks so close to house and just getting everything right

[distant glacier]

when both the kings and followers are literally promoting the opposite of chaos lmao

[solid moss]

Well to be fair

[distant glacier]

Indeed, definitely not meant to be taken too seriously, poor dude probably has a ton of work to do lmao

[solid moss]

It is ORGANISED CHAOS
Its better than unorganised chaos

[untold socket]

Art team pulling the heavy weight as always though.

[jolly dust]

Source: I directly work with the WBD equivalent for the people doing all the same stuff within WB/Max and I'm one of the people who will be brought in to make tweaks to things and I'm like TF? I'm the person doing this?

Straight up prior to this job, I'd have been pissy anytime something wasn't perfect. Now I see that it's really just a business line item of someone trying their best and no matter what somebody's yelling at them lmao

[solid moss]

Unfournatley
we are fallout fans
we must critise them

In a joking way
Not in a serious way
I should add that part

[jolly dust]

So I'm far more empathetic now...but also don't take those by ANY MEANS to be confirmation of any legitimate lore

[distant glacier]

NCR poster has 2074 as the date lmao

Ah yes, the NCR, famously founded before the great war

[jolly dust]

Theroux is really an excellent actor too, I think it's fantastic casting

[solid moss]

Ah yes
God bless the NCR

Such powerful nation
Survive even after the nukes XD

Ironically
That statement is still correct regardless if if the NCR existed before or after the war

[distant glacier]

lmao

[solid moss]

This is the definition of i am always right and playing both side

I win regardless of whatever happened

[distant glacier]

hopefully anyway, if they mention the fact that their are still absolutely massive population centers larger than shady sands such as Hub and New Reno

or they just keep going with the "shady sands got blown up, NCRs fucked"

civilization=GONE

[solid moss]

I am more interested in how the hearts of iron 4 mod for fallout is gonna even implantment that

[distant glacier]

true

tfw Hearts of Iron Old World Blues has more interesting lore than actual Fallout

[solid moss]

To be fair
Half of that stuff is made up

[distant glacier]

true, and alot of that fanfiction is quite good

[solid moss]

Yeah they pretty good and interesting

And they did a pretty good job with the focus trees
It actually is interesting

[distant glacier]

Agreed

[jolly dust]

two different browsers up at the same time...surprisingly obvious AB title and thumbnail test. I actually wouldn't have thought film studios wouldn't be bothering with that

[calm raven]

That description is abysmal lol

[solid moss]

Its ironic how the best fallout mod we have is literally from a non fallout game
I am interested in how they gonna advance the lore with the show coming out

[distant glacier]

I hope the "surviving and scattered" doesn't mean we'll see the "NCR" as a small village with like 30 people in it in the season lol

I dont understand how they're just "trying to survive" when the other states still exist lol

[solid moss]

To be fair...
NCR did have workable stuff and it can be assumed that a good chunk of the population lives there

So it is possible that nuke for shady sands crippled because the rest of the places of the NCR now has to try organise and be in a chaotic mess

[distant glacier]

the rest of the NCR wouldnt really have to reorganize, they'd be able to continue without the federal government considering they existed before and are seperate states entirely

[jolly dust]

I honestly don't think that's bad now that I thought about it more 😭 like, it's sort weird and overly artistic instead of straightforward, but it's referencing a poem. It's honestly not too dissimilar from "War never changes" but with a different twist

[calm raven]

Well, at least it confirms the NCR is around in one way or another

[distant glacier]

True, for better or worse

[solid moss]

Yeah but it doesnt make sense to begin with

[distant glacier]

what do we think about the brotherhood description lol

[solid moss]

The wasteland is the wasteland is the wasteland

What?

[solid moss]

Well its better than after the great war
The bos was founded

[distant glacier]

The khans probably have the best description, atleast they mentioned the Chosen One (probably the most important historical figure on the west coast aside from the vault dweller lol)

[solid moss]

To be fair
That a very accurate statement on what the BoS is
That being said
Complicating it by saying oh the east coast BoS does this while west coast BoS does this is just too confusing for ne time players

[solid moss]

I love the description because its right
This faction is just somehow alive

[distant glacier]

Indeed

[jolly dust]

The subtext is philosophical. It's about something 1 - being self-evident, and 2 - naming not being able to change what something is (ala 'a rose by any other name).

So while they're saying "oh, House has made NV be less ruined than the surrounding wasteland...but it's still wasteland, and the people living there are no different. War never changes."

[solid moss]

Beside the obvious 6 protagnists beating them up
The NCR went and tried to kill them, the families in new vegas tried to kill them, hell i wouldnt be suprised if the BoS somehow tried to wipe them out for technology and somehow they are alive

[jolly dust]

The fact that it needs an analysis and two different litereary works referenced to start making sense is uh...a bad move, to be clear. I think in this context it was a poor choice.
But finding it a bad description or inaccurate is hearing someone say "to be or not to be" and saying that's stupid and meaningless

I end up having far fewer issues with that than I do uh questionable attempted statements on lore that should probably just be left since they're not subject experts

(the person writing it, I mean)

ah nice! It was at 5 or 6 yesterday on Amazon

[next valley]

by god they did it 😭

[distant glacier]

house want chip chip

[sonic kettle]

I also think people take house's like "There's a lot of earning potential in the end of the world" as being he is in favour of the world ending, rather than being able to get more and more military contracts for RobCo, and preying on people's paranoia

[untold socket]

It's also his double says it, if you remember - the GNR radio also said House says a statement about knowing the World is gonna end, it's just a matter of when and not if.

His a business man so he's gonna ramp up their agenda, to his advantage cause it means he gets more access to their information, more resources, more money - whatever he'd need for his Agenda.

[calm raven]

That is amazing

I'm just imagining all the non gamers in their hotel rooms wondering who tf that is

[sonic kettle]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with the amount on Anthony House posts

If it turns out it is him I'm gonna lock myself in this discord and activate the mods

[jolly dust]

Brb quitting my job tomorrow so I can drive to vegas instead

[jolly dust]

Omg I’m with you on both counts, I’m about to lose it every time I look at anything right now lol

[sonic kettle]

Today we're all Anthony House

It's a Christmas miracle

[jolly dust]

That’s some wild 4th wall breaking from the showrunners, turning US all into Anthony while we watch this Robert fellow take over

[gray basin]

So Amazon took down this trailer. So it seems it released a week to early lol. It probably is for episode 2

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fotv/s/tfQk9Odw3o

[latent igloo]

I think Lucy has so much potential but she's being held back by her aversion to killing

[south cipher]

Its just a teaser for Ep2 it looks like

But aye at least we KNOW Macaulay is def the new Legate

[glass forge]

We need E2 NOW

[solid moss]

To be fair...
We just need her to kill someone soon

Cause I realise she hasn't killed anyone yet

[mighty scaffold]

He was never confirmed dead I watched a video on it earlier today

[mighty scaffold]

The sugar bombs were a reference to Hank's nickname for Lucy, Sugarbomb, that's why the trail of Sugarbombs leads to the guy that was mind controlled by Hank to tell Lucy to go home

[mighty scaffold]

Did you play fo2, they say it was China in that game, USA was winning the war and closing in on the Chinese capital so the Chinese just launched every nuke they had

[shrewd berry]

where

[hushed cove]

it also points to china in 4 in the switchboard terminals

[mighty scaffold]

The president of the enclave gives you a run down on the events towards the end of the war

Besides America was winning after they took back Alaska

[pale merlin]

I’m so locked for my finals today

[mighty scaffold]

Why would America launch nukes when they were winning

[pale merlin]

Well it’s implied that vault tec did it

[hushed cove]

What my surprise you though, it is hardly matters who pulled the trigger first. It was inevitable

[mighty scaffold]

In the show but that could be a red herring

[hushed cove]

"the bomb" doesn't necessarily refer to an actual bomb either

it could be specific news for example

[mighty scaffold]

Yea policies and people in places of power to do stuff

[pale merlin]

I’m sure a lot of people have different opinions on who launched first

[hushed cove]

The games are explicit about it being china that did

least in 2 and 4

[pale merlin]

They are prolly retconning it

[mighty scaffold]

Would be very easy to manipulate people of power if you tell them they get to stay in a special vault and then be a leader for life with wealth and power

[hushed cove]

I doubt it

and episode 1 does a good job of emphasising the fear people had

the siren goes off and they all panic

even though it was a test

[mighty scaffold]

3 has news papers in the loading screens that show America winning their battles too so again they wouldn't be nuking if they were winning, plus Anchorage dlc gives lore

[pale merlin]

Just saw leaks of legate lanius or atleast some legate

Caeser could still be alive maybe someone got his tumors out

[hushed cove]

I do love how the show setup house following how he was depicted in NV

Manipulative and exploiting where he can

[pale merlin]

I mean in house ending we don’t have to kill caeser

I remember doing a caeser legion ending after seeing gladiator 2 lmao

[mighty scaffold]

Houses securitrons blow up the fort when they emerge from the underground vault

[pale merlin]

Doesn’t mean he was killed

He could’ve hidden run away etc

[hushed cove]

We also know the canon ending didn't push out the Khans OR while less likely they left and came back

[mighty scaffold]

Maybe, general Oliver says he wish he saw the look on Caesars face when those tin cans roll up

Actually wait

[hushed cove]

what we do know is they weren't killed

[mighty scaffold]

Good insight because that has a lot of implications

Means they didn't join the legion

[pale merlin]

Well it seems ALOT of them just got killed by the ghoul lmao

[mighty scaffold]

Does House ever ask you to go to the Khans I don't think he does

[hushed cove]

nope

least I don't think so

I'll check

[mighty scaffold]

Right which must mean that courier did the option for NCR where they break the Khans legion alliance

[pale merlin]

Or they just didjt intervene with the khans at all I don’t think caeser legion goes after them if you do house ending

[mighty scaffold]

[hushed cove]

a quick search says no about house explicitly sending you to deal with them

[mighty scaffold]

If the player doesn't intervene that means Khans join the legion which means they get erased

[hushed cove]

it was nice to see the Khans depicted as chem users

seeing the one take a hit of jet was great

[pale merlin]

Maybe they left or some didn’t join I mean surely not all of them wanted to leave their heritage

[mighty scaffold]

They don't know that's going to happen to them unless the courier tells them

I've played this quest at least 100 times

[pale merlin]

Oh that’s right they get forced

My bad twin I haven’t done a nv ending in a month or two

[mighty scaffold]

I'm guessing they did the break legion alliance and then just left them alone and didn't help them find glory or whatever

[pale merlin]

Yea

Or the TV show just forgot that was a possible ending

[mighty scaffold]

Na they have a Cut vault in the show they got deep lore nerds on this shit

If not just developers of the game there helping it seems sometimes

[pale merlin]

I hope your right

[mighty scaffold]

Worst retcon I've seen so far is the prydwen design showing up prewar, fo4 states it's a unique bos design made from the wreckage of the mobile base crawler at Adams airforce base

[pale merlin]

I’m pretty sure it doesn’t have the hangers on that one

It’s just a blimp but without the vertibird stuff

[mighty scaffold]

I mean that's hardly the unique features tho

I hope they don't say it's a military airship prewar because why tf they using slow crap like that in the kind of wars they'd be fighting

[pale merlin]

Yea

Maybe it functions as an aircraft carrier?

I mean I guess it kind of makes sense it’s like a mobile base but not very tactics

[tight kayak]

thats a nice detail

grenade are designed after fallout 3/NV's type

[upbeat pumice]

I have noticed that the show is somewhat attempting to reconcile all existing aesthetics?
I mean idk what you might think honestly but personally I think that might be the right choice

[upbeat pumice]

Now this is just silly
Although this might be referencing some other event's importance
Given the aesthetics, something worker related, a strike or something?

Concentrated in California

[latent igloo]

Yeah that'll be a pretty pivotal moment in her character development

[simple tulip]

two headed bear on the flag though

[lament lichen]

Cue Moldaver being revealed to be Aradesh and Tandi’s ancestor.

[upbeat pumice]

I'm talking about the 2074 one

The one with the flag is good

[simple tulip]

i guess i just cut a few lines and assumed they were from the same time

[upbeat pumice]

They do look similar

[peak sentinel]

Its real

[upbeat pumice]

Mmmm

chip

[tight kayak]

i like that things do sometimes go Lucy's way for once

like just simply asking the disgusting flea soup woman for directions

[untold socket]

Not really, Anthony isn't prominent like House. People keep assuming Anthony is worth it or would be working with House on any level - but he really isn't, and he would rather die, kill himself and those around him than work with Robert. Aside from pushing Robert out of his inheritance, Anthony doesn't contribute anything so a retcon would be pointless.
We'll find out eventually, but people who are convinced it's Anthony just want it to be for the sake of - without acknowledging the illogical reality by having a raving schizophrenic and hyper paranoid individual at the forefront. He's completely counter to the type of person House is. They're polar opposites and hate each other.

[short merlin]

@peak sentinel Removed your post for rule 2 violations, make sure to check out the #rules section aswell incase you need a reminder.

[lament lichen]

I'd say that'd only work after she drops this goofy 'gotta shoot people non-fatally' routine she's on.

[tight kayak]

well its kinda her thing so if she drops it that'd feel kinda lame tbh

yea shes getting more and more hardened by the wasteland and also the ghoul but i hope she still keeps her optimism and positive outlook

[untold socket]

Yes, but she also needs to grow and develop, if she stays stagnant and doesn't learn, or evolve for the sake of, "well it's her shtick" it'll grow old.

[tight kayak]

i know, im just hoping they don't drop her optimistic personality, a blend would be better imo

[solid moss]

No
I dont think it will though...

[worthy warren]

I mean she is clearly developing. Season 1 Lucy wouldn’t have shot them at all

[solid moss]

The wasteland is fucking cruel and the unfournate reality is that cooper howard was once an optimism person
And well yeah, look at him

[tight kayak]

yea but everyones different, not everyone needs to turn out like him

[solid moss]

No but its a clear example of what will happen

[tight kayak]

but tbh most likely outcome i see is that they both change each other, maybe Cooper will be abit more optimistic and hopeful for the future, and maybe Lucy will become abit more wary and jaded

or at least thats typically how these kinda tropes work

[subtle plover]

I wonder if someone’s gonna mod in Novac so it has a swimming pool now

[solid moss]

RUSHES TO MODDING KIT

[blazing willow]

non-spoiler image; has no meaning to the plot whatsoever. just funny.

highlight of EP1:

[subtle plover]

Thank you I’ve been wanting to get a screen cap of that

[subtle plover]

Yeah, and it’s not even like I view it as like George Lucas type things, plus with a swimming pool you can always have a corpse dumping spot.

Once again, I love how the Kahn’s and even the coolest looking ones are still dorks in a fight

[solid moss]

I am in a different boat with the khans

[subtle plover]

I guess I have the Yes Man take. It’s crazy to think by giving books you can get a moron who thinks the Legion is going to give him a good deal, to wind up building a stable society up in far cry five territory

[solid moss]

No
In my case
Its how the fuck is the khans alive

[blazing willow]

first impressions of S2 EP1 are, without direct spoilers: honestly? ||feel like it was… okay?|| ||it was good, but it just felt really rushed at times||. ||it felt very different to S1, but that's mainly due to the fact it's S2; the plot is moving onto the more bigger things…|| ||idk, something just felt off in terms of the writing—like it dropped in quality a bit||. ||however this is the first episode and i have a strong feeling things will pick up by EP2||. ||i'm probably just being a mixture of paranoid and nit-picky||.

[subtle plover]

Someone probably needs them to make drugs

That is some weird splinter off from the main Kahn’s

[errant spoke]

I bet that moment is coming with the Legion.

[untold socket]

This, or at least that's the hope. The Legion being a showcase of how you can't reason with them on that level.

Where their solution is to slaughter weakness and disobedience.

[blazing willow]

actually one direct spoiler:

what do they mean by ||the Commonwealth going to war with the Eastern Brotherhood???|| ||that just feels kinda random?|| ||yes, the west and east Brotherhood do not have an amicable relationship, but god damn this feels very sudden with everything else going on||

[solid moss]

To be fair
Its just 1 episode

[blazing willow]

true true

[untold socket]

It's not random it's very on par for Maxson's Brotherhood. Especially because the Brotherhood we see in the show had contact with the Commonwealth in S1.

That's where they got the reinforcements from.

Quintus and Maxson are ideologically opposed.

[blazing willow]

one: i completely missed their contact with the Commonwealth. my bad.

two: if it is Maxson i hope he dies i hate him so much 😭🙏

[worthy warren]

You can have spoilers in this chat lol

[blazing willow]

my bad

[worthy warren]

Also how was the episode rushed if anything it was super slow and basically nothing happens other then teaching us about the brain chips

[untold socket]

Maxson probably will not show up himself - I took me a little bit too, so don't worry. The likely reason is that, the reinforcements Maxson sent - probably snitched, and told him Quintus is moving with his own Agenda.
So Maxson sent a minor fleet, a few airships to tighten him up - obviously, Quintus isn't going to bend, so it's going to be a Civil War.

But it's setting up for 2 types of Brotherhoods - the hyper techno religious we see in the show, and Maxson's brotherhood - which is a mix between Lyon's and Roger's.

[unkempt pond]

I'm betting modders are gonna implement Vault 24 in new vegas soob

[untold socket]

And they'll be butting heads for the forseeable future, if Quintus survives the show, at least.

[untold socket]

someone already made suits and added the soup lady, so it's otw i bet.

[unkempt pond]

omg fr?!

[untold socket]

Yeah lol

[blazing willow]

Brain chips and… yeah that was about it

[unkempt pond]

I'm hoping the Enclave at least makes a appearance in season 2
They would definitely want there cold fusion tech back

[untold socket]

I'm almost positive the shadowy guy in the window that Barbara is looking at during the meeting is the Enclave.

[solid moss]

You are all wrong
Its actually uhhh
Idk somebody said house

[blazing willow]

i recall Maxson's being more cultish in the asshole-ly kind of way. definitely didn't feel anything like the Lyons', but i have not played fo4 in ages.

[hushed cove]

East coast brotherhood is the least cult like in the series

[untold socket]

Mm, not at all - at least not from what I read yesterday. I could be wrong, but his ideology is a mix between Lyons, because he actually viewed Lyons as a mentor. And Roger.

The Cult-like one is definitely the West.

[hushed cove]

if you're looking for the cult like groups they're on the west coast. Especially in 1 and 2.

[blazing willow]

damn fr?? well, i still hate Arthur.

[untold socket]

Also people forget Maxson is only 20 years old in FO4. Lol He's still super young.

[daring mason]

Mr house:
I wanna lead us to space
"Oh how sweat!"
Moldaver:
My COLD FUSION project!
"Hello? Human resources??"

[solid moss]

True
Moldaver casually has a cult worshipping her

[untold socket]

I think it's alright to hate him, but in this scenario - Arthur is the lesser of the two evils. The West coast is very hyper religious, and is willing to indiscriminately slaughter wastelanders and occupy whole towns or cities.

I mean Quintus immediately took over the town the Ghoul shot up and kicked everyone out. He's probably going to do the same with what's left of Shady Sands, and probably invade the Vault, too, that's there.

[blazing willow]

my pettiness knows no bounds i want him shot and i want his jacket

[untold socket]

Fair enough. 🤣 Can't argue with fashion logic.

[unkempt pond]

Everyone kills maxson for his sick ass coat

[upbeat pumice]

I do got to admit
It was a good first introduction but lore wise it was slooooooow
Just the mind control chips and Vault 24 and like that's it
Maybe the Khans in Novac too but still

[hushed cove]

If you know a lot about lore. What they showed setup quite a lot

[blazing willow]

mmmmmmmm okay you do strike a good point

[upbeat pumice]

Btw the mind chips as we see them, totally new like cold fusion or have they existed before?

[untold socket]

But it worked, it got everyone talking about several different subplots going on.

[hushed cove]

I'm most proud of Norm again. Still my favourite character

[untold socket]

He's got maxed out Intelligence and Science, i swear

[upbeat pumice]

Ok nah yeah valid
You don't want overwhelm people who just got into Fallout

Plus they might be building things like NCR and Legion up

[untold socket]

This, it's very important that the show is kinda aimed at the average joe for them to get into Fallout.

[daring mason]

Being fair
As i use to said
Moldaver seems more crazy and obsessed to accomplish her project rather if it helps or not

[blazing willow]

wouldn't know ¯_(ツ)_/¯ i think it's kinda new?

honestly thought it was gonna go down the bomb collar route at first

[untold socket]

The closest thing we've had to the mind chip tech is the mesmetron from Fallout 3.

[hushed cove]

mind control isn't new at all and chips to do it are new

it makes sense and a loved how they used vault 24

[worthy warren]

Fans of fallout have a weird thing where they think “new lore = retcons” which gets tedious

[unkempt pond]

Oh God
Imagine if father Elijah found these mind control chips
That would have been terrifying

[untold socket]

I always try to view it as different perspective, or re-contextualizing. Instead of maliciously jumping to retcons, lol

[daring mason]

Imagine elijah with Mind control and the sierra madre gas

[unkempt pond]

Wipe the slate clean

[daring mason]

Lets be honest, i kind of find useless the fact house wanna use a mind control chip

Why he would?
I think have been more entertaining if it was Anthony house instead doing all this chip control stuff

[solid moss]

House is but atleast is reasonable
Moldaver is just madness

[daring mason]

House would allow You to leave and ask You do not go agaisnt his stuff
And let the offer on the table

Moldaver would use anyone else just to accomplish her goal
Moldaver is like the Master on that way, the difference?

The Master realize his madness
Moldaver thought she was the hero of the wasteland.

She deserved to die in slow motion ragdoll gory camara like new vegas fr

[blazing willow]

which is why it's important to remember the: Based on The Fallout Video Games line they add in; it's not necessarily canon to the games as it's more of it's own standalone thing.

some things will be canon to the games, whilst others—like the chem that stops the Ghouls going feral —aren't, as some of them were added in for story-telling reasons; something to help create plot-points and whatnot.

TL;DR: the games have multiple endings; the player can decide for themselves what they want to be canon for their own games, as well as what they consider canon for the tv show. there will obviously be lore that only appears in the show vs the games to help in terms of Wikipedia pages and to discern between the two.

[daring mason]

Oh no, AI

[upbeat pumice]

Ah yeah the vicious NV purist cycle
"Why is everything still in shacks? I want new lore!"
Gets new lore
"RETCOOOOOON"

Look I am not fond of not seeing much in the way of big nation states in the East Coast but to claim that people have not and will not live in shacks made of the materials they find for as looooong as they can is just disconnected from reality
I live in Latam. I can see that happening in my city center and I can see plenty of streets without proper trash cleaning, and that's with supposed state help

[blazing willow]

?

[daring mason]

By this point starting a new Game is a retconn

[untold socket]

The puritan mindset is actually so boring.

[daring mason]

Fallout fan when he sees his wife with other man:
OH NO, TODD! NOT A RETCONN AGAIN! YOU SILLY!

[daring mason]

I love the aspect of rpg of new vegas, but thats it
I think every fallout Game has his charm

[solid moss]

Fallout fan when a pen is not in the usual place when they start a new game:
THIS GAME IS SHIT AND RUINED SMAHSES TABLES

[daring mason]

Fallout fans when in fallout 3 the t51b is glitched and just crashing instead of floating:
OH NO, RETCOOOOOON!!!!

[blazing willow]

is there something about AI in the show or games that's pivotal to note??

[fringe hill]

did episode 1 introduce any retcons?

[daring mason]

Not to shit on everything.

[untold socket]

There was a debate about this earlier yesterday, but by the end it was boiled down to - the canon is what Bethesda decides it to be as IP owners. Whether we like it or not. And the show is a way of Bethesda canonizing some things - like for ex: the only ending that would be viable in FO4 would be Minutemen/BoS alliance, or BoS ending.

As every other ending requires you to blow up the Prydwen, but yet we see here in the show the Prydwen is alive and well. So they confirm things in specific ways without directly going into game settings.

[daring mason]

-pool on novac
-vault 24
And thats it, i guess

[fringe hill]

?

[daring mason]

Not like the end of the lore

[fringe hill]

oh, so nothing really at all

[upbeat pumice]

I swear I saw people cause the same amount of ruckus with the Shady Sands stuff and with the Dinky facing direction when one is a literal city having a confirmed location and the other is a movable object

[daring mason]

Yea, i can really believe Manny Vargas just build up the pool all by himself

[blazing willow]

ohhh

[daring mason]

Heat on mojave is pain fr

[untold socket]

Were you present for the World scale argument? someone tried saying because the show has a different world scale than the video game it was bad. Lol

[blazing willow]

why do people argue about that 😭

[fringe hill]

def feels like one of those gameplay doesn't always match lore decisions

[untold socket]

That because things like Vault 24 - that was cut content in FNV, the fact it's present in the show, means it's bad because we can't visit Vault 24 in-game.

[daring mason]

If there is at least one "major" retconn
Is the interest of Mr house on the mind control project
And the fact as it shows on the promocional clips, the lucky 38 is Open to the public

[untold socket]

Idk it was genuinely painful to read.

[upbeat pumice]

Although I do have to admit
Idk why the Helios One building is about a road away from the tower

[fringe hill]

vault 24 being included does not make the show worse, it's not a big deal

[upbeat pumice]

If that even is the Helios One building

[untold socket]

It's a WEIRD change, but not a bad one - it just makes me feel bad about Novac because operation Sunburst was probably HELL for them.

[daring mason]

Kind of shit cuz it feels by this point they just ignore all, like "nah at the end great khans didnt join the caesar legión but courier didnt fix anything, they just split"
Get it?

[untold socket]

I agree entirely, especially because Vault 24 jump suits are IN the game files, the Vault was just cut content.

[solid moss]

Novac and techinally helios one

[upbeat pumice]

Probably why they aren't an NCR location in-game
Tenuous relations since the operation possibly

[daring mason]

Is like they Even wont dare to reference the courier on he just wipe out quarry junction all by himself

[worthy warren]

It is canon to the games

[blazing willow]

honestly a really cool addition to the many fucked up Vault experiments

[daring mason]

Besides it wont affect anything or get mad the fanbase

[untold socket]

Yeah that was my line of thinking, too. Why would you want to be NCR allied after they came in and probably occupied Novac for an operation that sought to be one of the bloodiest battles the Mojave has seen. lol

[upbeat pumice]

Nah he thinks you wrote that with AI

[blazing willow]

nah dog im just autistic 😭

[untold socket]

Felt that.

[upbeat pumice]

Same

[solid moss]

I just came back
What happening now?

[daring mason]

Whats next mutant or abomination yall wanna see in the tv series?

[blazing willow]

centaur

[worthy warren]

The lucky 38 was open pre war

[blazing willow]

they weren't in the east iirc tho

[upbeat pumice]

Whatever supermutant Ron Perlman is playing

[untold socket]

There was a voice that sounded like a mutant, so im leaning towards friendly mutants. I'm tired of seeing Mutant enemies, I would LIKE for some nice mutants to be showcased more. pls n thx.

[daring mason]

I would love to SEE a supermutant behemont
Even splitting with bare hands a deathclaw only to prove his ruthless behavior

[blazing willow]

no wait they were

[solid moss]

Brotherhood of steel

[tight kayak]

tunnelers, it'd make for a good horror episode

[daring mason]

People acting like if Marcus dont exists fr

[untold socket]

I am genuinely curious if we will see Maxson, or not, I'm leaning towards no but I feel like for a Civil War he might show.

[upbeat pumice]

It would be cool if it is Marcus but idk if that was his VC

[worthy warren]

Marcus is voiced by the guy who played warf in Star Trek, recasting him would be lame

[untold socket]

Tunnelers vs Deathclaws would be peak.

[daring mason]

Imagine instead of marcus, it was other supermutant called marco

[blazing willow]

polo

[daring mason]

Lmao

[solid moss]

ah
So like darla

[daring mason]

Still hurts me they let pass to Make reference to jeannie

[tight kayak]

michael dorn, a legend

[daring mason]

Or how it was novac before

[untold socket]

I mean tbf, Jeannie is a scumbag, im glad she got her head blown off. I already like Darla more than her, whoever she is.

[tight kayak]

Cazadors are probably going to appear too

[worthy warren]

Eh, it would be so on the nose to keep just throwing out pointless references

[untold socket]

[tight kayak]

they're one of the more iconic mutants of NV

[untold socket]

I would like to see Nightstalkers.

[tight kayak]

also there should be geckos everywhere

[worthy warren]

There are much more wastelanders in the lore then the characters we meet in the game

[daring mason]

Thats the point
No canonizing jeannie getting head off is a Bad one

[daring mason]

At least a soft reference
Like she use to run the whole motel

[untold socket]

Yeah we haven't seen one single giant gecko, wtf

[daring mason]

Geckozilla cameo????????

Frrrr

[worthy warren]

The ghoul was last there 10 years before the game

For all we know she hadn’t even gotten there yet

[fringe hill]

???

[untold socket]

Their positions on the map. They're super close to each other vs in-game they're depicated as being farther away.
Which would add some implications to Operation Sunburst.

[solid moss]

Show the image

[fringe hill]

I agree that I don't like them decanonizing or canonizing stuff and the Khans being included didn't need to happen

[untold socket]

I don't have it on hand - I remember you guys going over it yesterday, might have to scroll back.

[worthy warren]

How are they retcons tho?

[fringe hill]

I mean I watched the show, they seem just about the same distance away as in game

[daring mason]

One thing im 100%

[solid moss]

So on the right side
Someone notice that thing that are helios one are there

Solar panels, logo, etc
Its so small and yet somebody notice it

[daring mason]

I think they would at least reference benny

Would be a disrespect not doing it.

[worthy warren]

How is this a retcon tho?

[daring mason]

Lets just take it as an alternative energy source

[worthy warren]

That shit is like a mile down the road in game too

[daring mason]

If they didnt state as helios one
It ISNT helios one

[worthy warren]

They minorly changed the geography. Not really a retcon

Since the game maps aren’t even canon

[solid moss]

Because the sheer DISTANCE

But also because idk
I said potentially

[worthy warren]

The game map isn’t canon

[solid moss]

That is the keyword
I didnt say it is

[fringe hill]

Yea, distance seems about the same

[upbeat pumice]

Oh wait a minute
That building on the right looks nothing like the one in Helios One then

The one in Helios is bigger I think

[worthy warren]

Ehh coulda been bombed and shit

[fringe hill]

I wonder if old lady Gibson is out there

Probably too old

[worthy warren]

She would be really old lady Gibson now

[upbeat pumice]

I'm starting to doubt that's Helios One

[fringe hill]

I mean it seems like it is very clearly meant to be helios one

[worthy warren]

Yeah that’s Helios lol

[upbeat pumice]

Well we'll have to see it eventually

No way it won't be of possible interest to Brotherhood, NCR, Legion, House, Hank, anyone really

[fringe hill]

I'd actually argue they won't go there, the big item this go around is an unrelated unlimited power source, having a point of the season being to take an unrelated limited power source feels odd outside of a brotherhood pride play

[untold socket]

They will probably circle back around to Shady Sands. I imagine we'll get to see the effects of Cold Fusion, instead of just a wide shot of the entire city region suddenly gaining power again.

[upbeat pumice]

Ok good point good point but
What if Helios is another activation point for it?

[fringe hill]

I press X to doubt

Also, that bakersfield mention had me so excited

I've been saying for awhile I'd like if coop was from necropolis and it seems we may get to see it

[solid moss]

I got bad news my friend
She died

Her cause of death was

idk
I was busy watching this reel about fairy odd parents but breaking bad version
Anyways uhh

Lets say her cause of death was the courier eating her alive

[upbeat pumice]

That'd be actually neat

[steep pilot]

Kinda dislike the several identical airships the BoS has now. Seems lazy.

The Prydwhen was a unique ship built from the ground up using parts from the Enclave mobile crawler, Adams Airforce base, and even the reactor from Rivet City.

[worthy warren]

The prydwin is based off a pre war design

Also we have zero reason to believe they used the reactor from rivet city

All we know is it’s from an aircraft carrier

[upbeat pumice]

Question about Helios One as seen on the show (if it is)
I ask since I'm not an engineer, nor do I know anything or anyone that knows of such trade, but like, does it make sense to put the main building of the station so away from the solar panels themselves?

[steep pilot]

I’d love to know where this was stated, as all I can find is that Brotherhood spent 2 years designing her.

[untold socket]

Idk why people keep thinking the Brotherhood designs Zeppelins. Lol

[steep pilot]

That’s literally stated by Captain Kells tho..

"Yes, quite a feat of engineering, isn't she. It took the Brotherhood's sharpest minds over two years to design and more than twice that to build."

[untold socket]

Kells specified it's GENERATION. Not Aircrafts in general. There's a difference.

"The next generation of Brotherhood airships was born after the defeat of the Enclave at Adams Air Force Base in 2277, taking over six years to design and construct. The Brotherhood's top experts spent two years on its design and assembling the necessary parts, salvaging scrap metal and Enclave equipment from the ruined Air Force base."

this is a pull from tactics - because in tactics, the Brotherhood originally had several that split off into separate directions which would later formed the Chapters we came familiar with after their landings/crashes.

It's also implied that the Proctor oversaw the Prydwen as a post-war airship. If the Zeppelins weren't pre-war, there'd be zero reason to distinguish between the two.

[steep pilot]

That means the Prydwhen isn’t a pre-war design, cause if it was she wouldn’t be distinguished from them.

[untold socket]

She's distinguished from the pre-war designs because she doesn't operate the same. So of course they're going to distinguish the difference between aircrafts pre-war vs post-war.

The Prydwen itself is designed differently as well - given just the first glance we get from the pre-war scene and the concept art we have of the Prydwen.

[steep pilot]

The real reason is probably because the show doesn’t have the budget to model a separate airship.

So pre war = post war to save production cost.

[worthy warren]

It’s based off a pre war design is what I said

[worthy warren]

I mean it’s jut across the road

[untold socket]

The more likely answer is the Brotherhood just has airship/zeppelin schematics that they use to create aircrafts. The Prydwen is probably the largest/strongest, while the others are smaller in scale but still capable.

[worthy warren]

Irl the building is pretty far from the tower

[upbeat pumice]

Valid but like
In-game it was the entrance

[upbeat pumice]

Oh valid yeah

What is the IRL location again?

[worthy warren]

Crescent dunes

[frosty tapir]

honestly i think they just put helios one close to novac in the show so nv fans could get to see it lol

[worthy warren]

It’s that close
In the game too lol

[steep pilot]

Take the game distance with a grain of salt. It’s 40 miles between New Vegas and Goodsprings.

[upbeat pumice]

That's valid but I think there can be a bit more liberty here given Novac is entirely fictional IIRC
Helios One is fictional but there is a solar energy area right west of IRL Nelson

[nocturne wasp]

so hows everyone doing after that

[pale merlin]

What

I wonder if they go to Primm even tho it means they go backwards

[pale merlin]

And I can walk that in 5 mins

[nocturne wasp]

am i the only one who thought norm was gonna take the syringe and stab the little brain dude with it

please tell me I wasn't the only one

[frosty tapir]

now that hes thawed everyone out is he just gonna leave the brain jar fella down there on his own

imagine if norm brings him along as a companion

[untold socket]

Or he escapes and finds a proper robot body instead of a roomba.

[pale merlin]

Nah I thought that too I thought he was gonna do “if I’m gonna die I’ll take you down with me”

[steep pilot]

Silly to think none of the people he just thawed out would ask questions, and would proceed to beat the robot themselves.

[worthy warren]

Why would they, they are all vault tec employees devoted to budd

[heady berry]

i wonder what all these messages are about

[distant glacier]

All the vaults sending for all clear or distress signals

Of which vault tech obviously never responded to

Along with still operating vaults likely sending automatic updates

[floral siren]

Can we talk about how Norm's actor went from twink to twunk though

man got RIPPED

granted he may have been buff like that the whole time under the suit but still

(and before anyone is weird, the actor is 31, he's just short)

[worthy warren]

He was

[untold socket]

He's secretly got the Nerd Rage perk, I'm calling it now. lol

[sonic kettle]

Forgive me as I forgot what happened in S1 between commonwealth and eastern brotherhood

Did the commonwealth send some people to help the Knights take on the NCR Remnants

[untold socket]

Essentially, yes, the reinforcements were just a bolstering force in general to help strengthen their numbers to hold the territory, but Maxson did send Knights and Paladins to assist.
Which is why I think some of them probably reported back to him and told him of Quintus's plot, which is how the Commonwealth found out.

Especially because Maxson's loyalty is describe as almost absolute.
So those who serve under him are willing to go through a lot - it's extremely on par for his Knights & Paladins to go above an Elder, and report to Maxson to let him know that Quin is plotting to push a takeover into the West.

[sonic kettle]

What is Quintus' plot, to rebuild a different brotherhood

But I can't remember if he spelled out more than that?

[wet burrow]

I wonder if Paladin Danse is still alive after Maxon's spiel about Synths.

Would it also be in poor taste to have Sarah Lyon's death to be retconned for her to come back?

[solid moss]

Well
You can pretend it happened but she is dead

[untold socket]

His brotherhood is much more techno-religious - it's in their aesthetic, their demeanor, they're assholes to each other rather than trying to be more of an actual Brotherhood. Just look at the way they interact with each other, and compare that to the Brotherhood we've seen specifically in FO3, and FO4. Given Maxson's brotherhood is a somewhat extension of Lyon's given he kept some of his practices.

Not to mention, all that to say is regardless - he swore allegiance to Maxson and is breaking it by attempting to usurp his own authority. Maxson is above Elders, he holds an entire new position called Supreme Commander of the Brotherhood of Steel. Which is why the Proctor specifically states that other Elders, and High Elders from other chapters, swore allegiance to him and allowed themselves to become absorbed once they saw his progress, feats, and how serious he was about bringing the Brotherhood back to it's former glory.
My larger assumption is that Quin didn't update Maxson on the Cold Fusion progress, since Quin's plan was to take it for himself, and the Brotherhood sect he controls - and the Knights & Paladins Maxson sent - snitched on Quin, so Maxson sent a force to either make him kneel, or destroy him.

[untold socket]

While her death sucks because it's an off-screen write off, it probably would be in poor taste, yeah.

With all the feats Maxson's done so far in her absence, her coming back would make no sense - she wouldn't be able to do 1/3 of what he's done so far.

[sonic kettle]

Thank you 🙂

Do you think we'll see any hidden bunker bos?

Of the Mohave Chapter, I guess in retrospect they'll be a footnote compared to Commonwealth/Kmights of San Fernando

[untold socket]

Probably not, I think at best we'll learn of their fate - my assumption is that they got absorbed into Quin's chapter at some point. The Mojave chapter wasn't exactly thriving, or growing. They were stagnant and slowly dying off. Which is the harsher reality - the unfortunate aspect is that their fate, whether they lived or died, wouldn't matter too much story wise.

At most Veronica probably would've survived, and been able to be on her own because she had the most survival experience out of anyone there, and was on the surface more than she was in the Bunker.

[sonic kettle]

Is Maxon nation building

Or becoming a semi nomadic force?

[upbeat pumice]

Nation-building

[untold socket]

He's expanding the Brotherhood, you can argue building a nation, yeah.
But he's ruling it with an iron fist, rather. As far as we know, he's conquered most of the East - and his Brotherhood stretches to the eastern seaboard. At the very least, his forces can stretch and operate that far. On top of that, he's completely taken over DC with not a single faction left there contesting him.

Plus the show shows us he's got multiple airships, aside from just the Prydwen, so I imagine he's got more back in DC, or back in the Commonwealth.

[sonic kettle]

Oh so it's totally possible he might have taken control of The Pitt

[untold socket]

Very much so.

[warped crystal]

what's up with this??

[upbeat pumice]

How do we think the NCR looks on a map then?

[untold socket]

Nothing, it's not to be taken as canon, or gospel, it's just publicity blurb, you can ignore it.

[upbeat pumice]

AI
Wording on this really is not really good at all

[sonic kettle]

Who wrote it Amazon or AI

[upbeat pumice]

I suspect they still have a hold over their 2281 territories with the exception on the Boneyard

[wet burrow]

Agreed in being in poor taste.

All this talk of a civil war in the Brotherhood could be a way to bring Sarah Lyons back to throw a wrench in Maxon's plans.

[sonic kettle]

I imagine like this without the Boneyard

[wet burrow]

I wonder where the Sierra Madre sits, alongside Big MT.

[warped crystal]

because it kind of ties with cooper's line in the teaser where he says that the end of the world started in vegas with one man(house) and i find it a bit concerning

[untold socket]

NCR probably shrunk it's territory, the smart thing for them would be to rebuild, and rebolster their forces. FNV taught us so much that they expanded too fast, and them losing Shady Sands could be a rude-awakening of that very mistake.

[sonic kettle]

I assume it's in the sierra madre mountains

[warped crystal]

im just hoping they wont hold him responsible for the start of the war

[strong basin]

i doubt house will be responsible

[untold socket]

It's more so building up to West vs. East again. Which im fine with - I think for me, it's probably setting up two Brotherhood factions we'll see going forward that just don't like each other.

[strong basin]

but it might show him being a bit more involved then the game showed

[sonic kettle]

I don't think House actually wanted the world to end, I think he wanted to profit off the end of the world

[strong basin]

considering he presumably sent his body double to that big meeting at vault tec

which is a choice.

[untold socket]

He's definitely not responsible, but he's got plans for sure. He's using Vault tec for his own means. Doesn't mean he agree with them, but definitely taking in as much information as he can and using their resources.

[untold socket]

This, yeah. House even calls the end of the world a folly, cause it shouldn't have happened.

[sonic kettle]

I don't mind the brotherhood being at odds again, considering we never see a really cohesive centralisation of them

Like their more tribal than they'd like to admit

For all their talk about shepherding humanity, before you have Maxon consolidation under him, all the chapters are very independent of each other

[untold socket]

Exactly this. I would like a proper East vs. West conflict between them. Especially cause it seems like the West is leaning more extreme than the East.

[untold socket]

What's crazy to me is they did this willingly, according to the Proctor, they just welcomed him with open arms. Lol

[wet burrow]

Somewhere in the Grand Canyon, I assume?

[sonic kettle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_Madre_Occidental

[sonic kettle]

He seems to have the drive and passion of his name behind him and the competence to bring chapters together because of that

[upbeat pumice]

I'd disagree
One of the endings of Dead Money describes the cloud coming from the East towards Mojave and into California

[sonic kettle]

I have no idea of American geography so sorry for the misinformation

[upbeat pumice]

No problem

[sonic kettle]

I just assumed because I know there's mountains in that part of the US that this was them

[untold socket]

Yes, but not just that - I think the fact he ended a super mutant uprising at 16, and managed to negotiate the Outcasts back into the fold at 15.
Kinda speaks volumes to who he is as a Leader for the Brotherhood.

[sonic kettle]

Is Mesquite the right location

[sonic kettle]

Yeah clearly he's actually been properly brought up to be a leader rather than people like Elijah or Quintus

[upbeat pumice]

Could be
Frankly we don't get much in the way of geographic accuracy in Fallout so we are stuck just making educated guess until a confirmation is given

This much had been proven, again, with things like Shady Sands

[sonic kettle]

I don't think it really matters where the Sierra Madre is

In the grand scheme of things

We never would, but I'd love if we see Dean Domino singing in the Tops

[upbeat pumice]

1 had it right smack in the middle of Death Valley, 2 moved it up to Bishop, CA, and the show moved it down to either what I assume is Santa Clarita or Lancaster

[sonic kettle]

With Xander wearing the bomber jacket, does that mean he's specially part of the airship command

[untold socket]

He's a Lancer pilot.

[sonic kettle]

Just a pilot

He's not a paladin or anything like that?

[untold socket]

Yeah, I imagine if he was Lancer Captain, his outfit would stand out more.

[sonic kettle]

Big name actor for just a pilot

[untold socket]

Lancer Captain Kells has a uniquely different outfit compared to the other Lancers - he could be second under Lancer Captain? I'm unsure. We dunno his role, yet.

If he was Lancer Captain it would imply he's right under Maxson, as Captain Kells was.

[sonic kettle]

If they're there negotiating it would make sense he's a captain

[untold socket]

Possibly - I'll have to wait to see more about him to get an idea of what his role might be. It's possible he did replace Captain Kells, Kells was older by the time we see him in the Commonwealth.

[frosty tapir]

in the new fallout shelter season pass this character is called "the paladin"

[untold socket]

I wonder if paladins are trained in Vertibird flying, and airship maintenance now? That'd be interesting, then. Especially cause he is wearing the typical Lancer bomber jacket.

[worn ruin]

Lancers in the show wear flight suits rather than the PA undersuit and bomber jackets

[untold socket]

Maybe, we've just seen them use both before, which is why I was wondering if he was a paladin - wondered why he'd be wearing the Lancer bomber jacket in specific.

[distant glacier]

Hes probably just dripped to the fucking nines out of his power armor

If I was a paladin I’d wear a kickass leather coat aswell

[distant glacier]

Which makes way more sense tbf

[upbeat pumice]

No way they lost the north though
But with things like Baja and a good chunk of the Mojave yeah that could have been lost

[distant glacier]

I’d imagine the bomber jacket is a ceremonial kinda thing, that you earn when becoming a lancer. But vertibirds/heli pilots dont typically wear them, since they dont reach super higu altitudes

(Kinda like how soldiers who complete entrance into the Cavalry earn the hat)

[hallow flint]

So much better than the underarmor

[distant glacier]

Yup, much more practical too

[untold socket]

The issue is more or less, we dunno what the new Capital is, NCR Capital was Shady Sands. Wherever they move to would be a decent indication on how their new territory setup might be.

[distant glacier]

The uniforms of the brotherhood in the show are such a huge upgrade from what we’ve seen in game tbh

[upbeat pumice]

As much I have to give less credit to the possibly AI lore extras (except for the Khans one, like, plus points for Chosen One mention) I do feel it does give some idea of how the NCR operates now, as vague as the text might be
Much more federalized than before

[distant glacier]

They’re actually properly maintained without patches and holes everywhere too, so thats a bonus lol

[untold socket]

i'm glad they ditched the stupid hat.

[upbeat pumice]

See we wouldn't be this clueless if we

SAW THE NCR AGAIN ALREADY DAMN

I'M WAITING ON MY KNEES FOR THE 24TH PLEASE

[untold socket]

If all i see are NCR Remnants, and strays. . .

[frosty tapir]

they said that the NCR is done justice in s2 but we shall see to what extent

i also wonder how overwhelming all the new information is to tv only viewers

[hallow flint]

Episode 2 teaser showed this

So that one guy was correct

At least on them appearing

[hallow flint]

Wdym?

[untold socket]

The hat scribe Haylen wears.

[hallow flint]

We haven’t seen field scribes yet

[worn ruin]

Apparently Dane became a scribe after Maximus took their place as a squire

[hallow flint]

Yep

[upbeat pumice]

Quick question
Is there anything about Caesar's for these extras

[upbeat pumice]

Hmm
You can only wonder if they are going to expand those texts later down the line because as they stand
They are at best alright but like, vague

[floral siren]

I see they used no pronouns to avoid using they/them for Dane 🙄

(the eye roll is at whoever wrote that, not at Dane)

[upbeat pumice]

If they did what do you think would have happened
Those types of internet dwellers would have a

Fallout

That's what!

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[next valley]

banned for meem posting

[frosty tapir]

so confirmed hes just a body double?

[young sequoia]

What do we make of episode one? I was slightly disappointed.

[shrewd berry]

I don't know about Houses new interest in mind control

[hallow flint]

It seems so

[shrewd berry]

and ncr?

[shrewd berry]

where's this on

[hallow flint]

Amazing prime explore page for season 2

[shrewd berry]

link?

[hallow flint]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B0FLSZBRZJ/ref=atv_dp_season_select_s2

[young sequoia]

We know vault tech was

So it makes sense

[shrewd berry]

this is very good

[calm raven]

The intro scene reminded me of Andrew Ryan, for a second I thought he was gonna say “Would you kindly” to the bald dude after putting the chip on him lol

In actuality though, I’ve always thought House and Ryan look very similar

Two different franchises, though

Something I didn't realize before is that the mind control chips look almost identical to the chip collars the Enclave were putting on their dogs that they were training in season 1. Which leads me to believe that Hank is, in fact, working for the Enclave, and has been since before the war. And that whoever he was talking to on the radio must be a high ranking member of the Enclave

It seems like the show wants you believe that it's Mr House but I'm not so sure

It's been a while since I played fo3 but idk what the chances are that there could be another ZAX supercomputer out there that the Enclave report to

I know there's one in fallout 76 but I know nothing about the lore surrounding it

[lament lichen]

I mean, maybe the Calculator in Vault 0 is still around in some broad strokes fashion?

[shy viper]

I literally whispered that

When he asked him to beat his buddies

[shy viper]

I crave more

[shy viper]

Good for them

THEM amazon prime.

Ya cowards

[calm raven]

I wasn't disappointed but I wish they released the first 2 episodes at once or something

That said, I still prefer this over all of the episodes at once

The next few weeks I get Fallout AND Pluribus. And next week it's those two AND stranger things!

[lime sorrel]

NV devs agree with you

[shy viper]

I wonder if stupendium makes a cameo in season 3

[frank ingot]

meh. i'm enjoying it as a FNV theme park ride or high production value fan fic. the only thing that im remotely interested in is the funny brain roomba and his incel sidekick

[young sequoia]

I feel that’s a bit dismissive of how good the shows been so far? But I get you

[untold socket]

Hoping more will see this to put the Anthony house theory to rest, lol

[untold socket]

It was pretty good, a lot of subplots going around and New Vegas getting stuff added to it that was originally cut content by obsidian is a wonderful touch.

[frank ingot]

something flicked for me when i was watching the recap of s1, i enjoyed it at the time but now the whole plot seems so wayward to the actual west coast themes i want from it

faction politics, intrigue, a living breathing world

instead of that i've just accepted the show is memberberries : west coast fallout

the NCR v brotherhood war should be at front and center this season, but it seems they are already heavily sidelining it to focus on the house + vault tec collaboration to rule the wasteland

[untold socket]

Inb4 West Coast vs East Coasy Brotherhood Civil War.
It's also because people should consider that the show is also probably setting up for Fallout 5.

[frank ingot]

east coast BoS would decimate anything the west coast bos has. they are basically equivalent to modern fighting force, capable of rapid deployment across huge distances and taking over entire regions in days

it wouldnt be a close fight, theywould just have to heavily nerf or buff the faction power balance to make todd's powerfantasy BoS vs the more grounded West coast BoS have a fair fight

but yeah, i can see that being a central theme in the upcoming game or the show

[untold socket]

I agree with you, but that's clearly the setup they're going for. A Maxson vs Quintus debacle. Especially if Quintus does fully occupy what remains of Shady Sands - and takes over that City.

I'm just saying the likely scenario is that this stuff is not gonna be fully answered in the show, and expect it to be pushed into a new Fallout game.

Cause for all purposes, Maxson has dominated the East with an Iron fist - and ruled uncontested. There's zero chance Quintus would win, but I think it's more of a subplot to elude to something else going forward.

That's not even considering the East Coast has all the Commonwealth and DC Veterans under their belt, and other absorbed East Coast chapters. Lol

[frank ingot]

quintus isnt the head of the west coast BoS, he's a chapter elder. what might be interesting is a political battle between maxson and the council of elders, he would surely come out on top but how

a full military coup would probably not outlast his reign, so he'd probably allow to be assimilated into the quasi religious "hippie BoS" vibe of west coast

[untold socket]

Maybe, his position is above the Council of Elders I believe though. Cause he's listed as Supreme Commander. And the other Elders willingly bent the knee to him - so it's debatable how the West Coast would view him if they would acknowledge him as above the Elders or not. Cause the East Coast surely do - it's what the Proctor confirms.

[frank ingot]

oh i didnt realize the show already made him represent the council, i guess its gonna be really simple then

also is it 100% confirmed the tv show bos is the east coast bos

just because they have prydwen doesnt prove it