EPISODE 2

[sand thicket]

Nah the knights of San Fernando are just dimwits we see this all over even in season 1

They literally beat eachother up for fun jerk off in the barracks and play with plasma grenades

[pastel hatch]

Why set it in some unexplored region so they don’t need to fuck with some established lore when they can DESTROY ESTABLISHED WEST COAST and start from scratch again.

[sand thicket]

This is most likely the result of them recruiting random wastelanders due to low numbers unlike the eastern brotherhood which is more wary to inviting wastelanders to their ranks

[eager folio]

Woo hoo
LETS BLOW UP SHADY SANDS!

Honestly though
The scene they did for shady sands
Its perfect

[pastel hatch]

WOOOHOOOO AND LETS PRETEND THE NCR IS ONLY ONE CITY!

[coarse grove]

The training is vastly different.

Peopel forget, the Eastern Brotherhood had those fuckers TRAINED often.

[timber tiger]

Love how the Ark of the Covenant is in the Area 51 hanger

[coarse grove]

you had radiant quests to take recruits out ALL the time

[abstract frigate]

Fuck even the raw recruits during Lyons time as Elder were better trained then this

[sand thicket]

Yeah that’s what I mean

[pastel hatch]

Why didn’t the guards check the cargo before it entered the city? Are they stupid?

[abstract frigate]

And Lyons was rushing their training

[sand thicket]

The recruitment process for wastelanders was more serious you had to actually do stuff

[coarse grove]

Yeah because of the enclave and mutant threat.

[abstract frigate]

I mean the Enclave didnt really become a threat until 2277

[sand thicket]

The knights of San Fernando probably just took in anyone they viewed as easy to indoctrinate

[eager folio]

And here something that no body takes for granted but is very true

The BoS operating at east coast was casually in the CAPITAL WASTELAND, THE MOST HOSTILE PLACE IN THE SERIES
The SHEER EXPERIENCE THAT EACH SOLDIER GETS IS UNMEASUREABLE

[sand thicket]

That’s why they are all so young

[abstract frigate]

Lyons was rushing recruits ever since the Outcasts left

[coarse grove]

No, they were still active. Llyon's had reports, he just didn't have hard confirmation, yet. And Eden was also active since Navarro.

[pastel hatch]

Doesn’t this mean a high casualty rate

[abstract frigate]

I know that but until 2277 it was just Enclave Radio

[night glen]

the worst for me is that they let a CIVILIAN mess with the bomb instead of calling a ranger or someone with experience

[nova moon]

they heard the guy saying “patrolling the mojave makes you wish for a nuclear winter” and probably went “yeah that checks out”

[sand thicket]

Most members in the knights of San Fernando look like literally teenagers or younger than 21

[night glen]

but it alligns with how stupid the ncr was at that time

[eager folio]

Yes
Hence any surviving soldier in the east coast is far dangerous than anyone in the west coast BoS

That the thing
That how dangerous the east coast was

[coarse grove]

Yes, but they had to have people maintain stuff like the mobile walker/base, etc etc. I'm just saying - the Enclave was active, but not precieved in the public, Llyon's had an idea but he didn't know for sure. So he was preparing for the worst.

[sand thicket]

Being a member of the eastern brotherhood you are guarenteed to have more combat experience and more expedition work than on the west

[indigo thorn]

No one else took demolition expert perk

[pastel hatch]

Realistically that would mean there are very few combat experienced veterans left.

[covert galleon]

His dad clearly wasn’t an idiot and a ranger doesn’t equal engineer or ordinance disposal

[eager folio]

Well counter argument
At the end of fallout 3, they are effectively the only faction with power armor

[sand thicket]

That’s why getting sent on a mission on the west was such a big deal to them because they mostly don’t do anything

[abstract frigate]

Based on what? There is no lore to suggest he was preparing for the Enclave. Just focused on the Super Mutants

[sand thicket]

Dane was so scared he injured himself

[eager folio]

Dane?

[night glen]

yeah, i understand his dad was a qualified person but it's a damn nuke man, take maximus dad off of it and call for someone with anti-bomb experience

[coarse grove]

I'm still convinced Dane snitched to the Commonwealth.

[eager folio]

Who the hell is dane?

[nova moon]

the chick with the mustache

[sand thicket]

Dane was selected to go on the mission with knight Titus originally but was scared so he put a blade in his boot

[eager folio]

Oh wasnt it that obvious

[eager folio]

Wait dane a he?

i thought dane was a she?

[covert galleon]

Bog standard patrol and return to base. Complacency and possible laziness

All things a US base guard is capable of today even lol

[timber tiger]

^

[nova moon]

dane’s a he??

[sand thicket]

A girl but wants to be a boy I guess

[eager folio]

SO SAY DANE A SHE
NOT A HE???

[sand thicket]

I just say he cuz looks more like a dude than a female to me

[eager folio]

Okay that make sense but still

[sand thicket]

And Dane is a dude name

[timber tiger]

Honestly who knows

I guess the radiation made her grow a stache?

[tame current]

Why is the concept of a non-binary person so hard to understand for some people

[eager folio]

Its kinda obvious dane a she

[coarse grove]

Yeah, i was surprised people questioned this, genuinely. Stuff gets missed in checkpoints all the time.

[covert galleon]

I assume it’s time issue and it was likely that there would be anyone who knew what to do.

Besides canonical disabling a nuke isn’t a massive explosives skill check.

[nova moon]

maybe dane isnt a she or a he

[sand thicket]

Why would there be non binary people in a wasteland

[eager folio]

You do know woman can techinally grow facial hair
Very little but can

[nova moon]

maybe a they

[sand thicket]

Nobody has time for that shit in a post apocalypse

[tame current]

I'm talking about the actor

[tame current]

Uh-huh darling.

[covert galleon]

Yeah I mean the amount of videos I’ve seen of skits about base guards being asleep or actually asleep is not small lol

[sand thicket]

Whatever

[coarse grove]

Hey, props to Max's dad though, he tried.

[eager folio]

Nope
This is a post apocalypse world
This would never work here
Maybe in starfield, maybe mass effect, maybe majority of games
But never on a post apocalpyse world
NEVER NEVER NEVER

[tame current]

You'll grow up

Eventually

[harsh mango]

They spam the same voicelines because they’re controlled by Mr house vvv vvvv????

[timber tiger]

NCR role
Elitist

Typical

[sand thicket]

Wdym I’ll grow up

[covert galleon]

Yeah plus he acted quickly knowing he could save his son and only his son and with a clear calm head.

[tame current]

How is my remark elitist

[coarse grove]

Yooo, chill - talk about the show, no need to go to a back and forth on it.

[eager folio]

He's a good man

[harsh mango]

I ain’t dreaming right

[night glen]

hey man, not all of us are like that

[sand thicket]

There’s only 2 genders

[tame current]

Uh-huh.

[eager folio]

@sand thicket @tame current
Stop the discussion or i am gonna ping staff

[coarse grove]

My brother in absolute christ.

[nova moon]

being non-binary wouldn’t work in a wasteland where you have giant green men running around and synthetic humanoids replacing people

[tame current]

You are involved in this too

[sand thicket]

If you want to pretend to be a girl or boy go ahead idgaf but your still biologically a male or a female

[coarse grove]

Y'all stop, seriously.

[eager folio]

No i am not
I drop the conversation so i can talk about the show

[harsh mango]

SHUT UOUR MOUTH AND ASWER ME

[coarse grove]

Both of you are keeping it going.

[tame current]

I'm stopping idk about them

[eager folio]

Look
Lets just agree that the west coast BoS ARE PIECE OF SHIT AND NEEDS TO BE TAKEN DOWN

[coarse grove]

It just sucks that the first natural pure water - without a purifier, was destroyed. It actually does hint at the land was healing and radiation is starting to subside in areas.

[night glen]

the BoS entirely needs to be taken down, glory to the Republic!

[eager folio]

I thought the green trees was clear enough that its healing

[covert galleon]

Same reason there are non binary people today, they exist.

[eager folio]

Drop it
Talk show

[coarse grove]

Yeah, kill the West.

[eager folio]

Youre with the east coast
Youre fine

[pastel hatch]

Dawg what

[coarse grove]

[coarse grove]

I'm more frustrated that only one of the Western chapters was sensible?

[sand thicket]

Fuck western chapter

All of them are jackasses and dimwits

[nova moon]

taken down… to the FEV vats

[eager folio]

Which one?
There 4 of them
And i think one of them is in texas

[sand thicket]

The eastern bos is the real bos now

[pastel hatch]

Anyways. @tame current How was the episode?

[coarse grove]

I don't hate the idea that they devolved, that much is pretty much guaranteed without a unified leader for tribes. Period.
The female one seemed normal, at the very least. quintus and the other two are unhinged beyond belief.

[sand thicket]

There’s a reason why Quintus had to call for all the other chapters to even take them on

[tame current]

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter

[sand thicket]

The eastern chapter still has liberty prime

[eager folio]

Yeah the grand canyon one is uhh
Okay side note, can i just have confirmation if this guy is in texas or not
This guy SCREAM texas

[coarse grove]

I DUNNO - I don't wanna jump the gun and say yes, but we don't know.

[high aspen]

I doubt they'd even need Liberty Prime to take on these 4 chapters

[nova moon]

i dont remember the grand canyon being in texas

[high aspen]

They've got the numbers, the training

[coarse grove]

they wouldn't need liberty.

[eager folio]

Fuck it
He screams texas to me
Texas guy it is

[eager folio]

No they need freedom

[tame current]

Grand Canyon isn't in Texas though

Gringo sense of geography

[pastel hatch]

That NCR ranger…I hope we see them later this season.

[sand thicket]

We see an airship get shot down I would bet it wasn’t even the commonwealth it was one the 4 chapters turning on them

[coarse grove]

Shall we take bets on which Chapter loses the airship first ???

[indigo thorn]

The grand canyon is in new york bro

[sand thicket]

Yosemite

[pastel hatch]

Nah, Grand Canyon is on Mars

[high aspen]

I don't think Quintus and his chapter would lose theirs, unless?

[tame current]

No you fool it is in Uranus

[eager folio]

Well yeah
There were 4 air ships so clearly non the commonwealth and lets be honest
If there was
THERE WOULD BE A GIANT ALARM THAT SIGNAL ANOTHER AIRSHIP ON THE WAY!

[sand thicket]

Because we saw there was already animosity

[coarse grove]

Unless. 👀

[high aspen]

👀

[sand thicket]

I forgot who was arguing at the meeting but it was the Yosemite elder girl and some other elder

[tame current]

I still do think Shady isn't in LA proper

[sand thicket]

Until Quintus called for order in the court f

[tame current]

That skyline dosen't look like LA to me

[pastel hatch]

Bakersfield?

[eager folio]

I dont think anyone even know which country they suppsoed to be

[covert galleon]

Canon wise did Liberty Prime ever get deployed in Alaska? I’ve always wondered if there might be another up north unused or still capable of being completed

[tame current]

Nah
Lancaster
It is a Fallout thing were places without skyscrapers seem to have skyscrapers because of
Science and population and stuff
Goes back all the way to FO1 with Bakersfield, actually

[eager folio]

One in a tribe
One is in grand canyon but sound texas as hell
I forgot the other one

[coarse grove]

Also -
Having confirmation of the two Legion leaders.
Macaulay culkin as Legate.
Keleti Williams as Kaiser.

[pastel hatch]

Colorado

[eager folio]

The forgotton one

[high aspen]

Oh, really? I'd assumed it was the other way around

[tame current]

Just Legate?

[tame current]

Correction
Coronado

[indigo thorn]

I dont think so

[coarse grove]

He probably has a name it hasn't been revealed.

[indigo thorn]

I think the power source issue wasn't fixed until the BOS

[eager folio]

Kaiser?
Wait correct me if i am wrong about rome history but i thought leader were emperors

[coarse grove]

Yep! I thought so too, explains why the Legate is a short king though.

[scenic wolf]

Was the Grand canyon BOS supposed to be like the Texas bos

[coarse grove]

THEY CHANGED IT.

[pastel hatch]

I’m surprised Quintus didn’t butcher the pronunciation of Yosemite

[tame current]

It can't be Lanius
Dosen't look like Lanius

[coarse grove]

It's Kaiser now.

[coarse grove]

It's not.

[eager folio]

That what i am saying
They are somehow different and yet act texas

[coarse grove]

New character

[pastel hatch]

It’s not Lanius, no way. Probably a new Legate.

[tame current]

Where are you getting this info
This might be useful

[coarse grove]

Such as Lanius was Legate Lanius, Joshua was the Malpais Legate, - this new Legate probably has a title.

[tame current]

The Kaiser Legate?

[coarse grove]

Interviews! @cold jetty posted them, and i look for them after to read. lol

[indigo thorn]

Fantastic is the new Legate

[coarse grove]

i'll grab the picture.

[pastel hatch]

What I’m confused is there’s a new Caesar and it’s not Mculkin apparently.

[coarse grove]

He beat me to it.

Lol

[nova moon]

if you put the fallout 1 map and a map of socal side by side then shady sands should be somewhere around lone pine, fresno or visalia

[eager folio]

@coarse grove
How much are you willing to bet that lucy will be a whole different person after she escpae the legion camp

[coarse grove]

i beg, i need her to stop with the golden rule. lol

[tame current]

No wait hold on
Kaiser as in the pronunciation
It's a Caesar

[eager folio]

The golden rule is perfect

[sand thicket]

Caesar is pronounce Kaiser

[high aspen]

Genuinely, so many opportunities to learn that it doesn't work in the wasteland

[eager folio]

She clearly following the golden rule AJAX

[tame current]

Yeah but do the same with FO2 and it moves up towards Bishop

[coarse grove]

Note that it specifies TWO LEGION FACTIONS.

So each brother controls a half.

[high aspen]

battle for Earth

[tame current]

Bakersfield in FO1 wasn't even in Bakersfield

[pastel hatch]

Oh shit so we ARE going for a Legion successionist problem.

[coarse grove]

YES. ROMULUS AND REMUS.

[eager folio]

OH YEAH LETS GO!

Wait fuck

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

WE ABOUT TO GET THE WORST TYPE OF NEW VEGAS FANS
THE LEGION FANS

[tame current]

Cool it with the cap spam

[pastel hatch]

I’m so happy that they didn’t retcon the whole “the Legion is mostly fucked without Caesar running everything” idea stated multiple times in NV

[coarse grove]

i will deal with legion fans if it means I can glaze Anchorage for a whole fucking week in the Flashback episode. idc.

[dusk rover]

HANK IS IN THE ENCLAVE THEORY: None of the other "Manager Overseers" have an inkling to progress mind control tech. Mr House only wanted to progress technology, and take humanity to space. The only reason Hank would want to control the wastes is for The Enclave..

[coarse grove]

They did but they specify the brothers united them back. So it's like - a scale of balance.

[nova moon]

finally the legionboos can stfu abt “oh a civil war wouldnt happen after caesar dies”

[eager folio]

Aye ive had this in my pocket for the past 2 years
LET ME AT THEM!

[pastel hatch]

I doubt they wholly brought back the Legion, only some submissive tribes.

[coarse grove]

LMAO

[coarse grove]

It's a decent chunk, not as big, but still big nonetheless.

[tame current]

@cold jetty you are a swell guy for image fetching
Can I ask you a favour? I'm just suspecting something

[nova moon]

fallout is never this serious bro

[coarse grove]

The episode titles were released too

[eager folio]

Oooh
What is it

[coarse grove]

THE DEMON IN THE SNOW? DRAGOONS? IN ANCHORAGE?

[pastel hatch]

People who hate the Legion:

[coarse grove]

I need it.

[eager folio]

Alright call me up when it ep5
I know that gambling time

[cold jetty]

What is it

[tame current]

Can you find the first establishing shots of the start of the two episodes we have so far?

Pretty please, I forgot my manners for a moment mb

[pastel hatch]

Fisto appearance in Episode Five, calling it RIGHT NOW.

[coarse grove]

The Handoff throws me fucking OFF.
I think the Cold fusion gets stolen, tbh.

[coarse grove]

We see the ghoul Dominatrix.

[tame current]

Oh yeah
Moldaver was right
The BoS just used cold fusion in LA to check if it was working lol

Then they took it out

[coarse grove]

yep

shoved that mf into Area 51 to infinitely make Fusion Cores.

[coarse grove]

Maaan.

All that farm land gone. lol

[tame current]

Shady looked beautiful actually

[coarse grove]

it really did.

[pastel hatch]

Expected Shady Sands to be a bit bigger. Not like BIG BIG, but just more impressive enough.

[eager folio]

Idk
I love it looks but it way too damn small

[pastel hatch]

I also miss the laser gate from Fallout 2.

[tame current]

All that green is already impressive to me
To have that much green is a good sign

[night glen]

Dr Hildern managed to do it after all

just kidding

[tame current]

Yeah same lol
Maybe resources to keep it running after expansion weren't enough
Plus they didn't expect any attacks towards Shady so they ripped them apart

[eager folio]

Yes
Anyways
Oh look red button

[coarse grove]

This, and this leads more credence for me to believe the NCR pulled out completely because they don't know wtf happened to Shady Sands since they probably didn't have any issues in a while aside from typical wasteland stuff.

[pastel hatch]

Now we need the pic of the Ranger and the NCR soldiers please @cold jetty

[late wedge]

ended up being behind on watching the ep this week, but just finished. Really liked it! Glad to see the brotherhood storylines get in motion. Shady Sands was great, glad we got a different flashback of Maximus LOL. I'm very curious where Norm's storyline will go now since we're only on ep 2 and him being out of the vault was, as far as I remember, the end of everything from the trailers and idk where else it would be going.
And like Legion something something whatever

Also goddamn, I liked the Area 51 stuff, loved the references in there.

[tame current]

Anyways yeah I'm really suspecting something
Like, wasn't the first shot for the first episode this but for LA?
If it is exactly the same then this could actually just mean Shady is LA now

[tame current]

The image of civilization

[coarse grove]

"ICE BOX."

Still, loved the Zetans got some attention.

[late wedge]

I clocked that Alien ship under the tarp immediately and honestly I was already happy with that haha but the Zetans showing up is peak Fallout like..."huh? wtf" experience for me

[pastel hatch]

God, I hope the Hub, Vault City, and Arroyo are fine.

[eager folio]

The NCR ranger armor looks wrong
Some new vegas fan

[pastel hatch]

I’m a NV fan and I say fuck that noise. It looks perfect, not to mention it’s the advanced riot armor, which makes it even cooler imo.

[eager folio]

Yes
But the joke is that

[coarse grove]

Keep in mind the sign on Shady Sands said FIRST NCR CAPITAL. Implying there's more.

Or they could've moved to another city, and that's the main one.

[pastel hatch]

I always assumed it meant like a state capitol or something.

[coarse grove]

Given Kimball died in that nuke, I think it was more important, also someone said it earlier - it looks like the bomb was stopped near the Senate building they had.

[late wedge]

I wonder what backlot they shot Shady Sands on. I'm not good enough to tell 🙁

[tame current]

I found it

[pastel hatch]

I hope Kimball died in that explosion.

[tame current]

No way these are the same skylines right?

[coarse grove]

Same, what an actual worthless president - he fucked the NCR so bad man.

[pastel hatch]

That building with the sphere at the top looks awfully similar to one in the second picture.

[coarse grove]

Literally his policies, and expansion is what caused the NCR to suffer so much.

[coarse grove]

Hard to tell.

[tame current]

Yeah I can see but I have the impression Shady's skyline was a whole lot more dense than LA

[tame current]

I mean
If we are having doubts it should tell us something isn't necesarily similar methinks

[late wedge]

Get that geoguesser guy who makes social media stuff on these skylines lol

[tame current]

Plus plus
I didn't see a seaboard

[tame current]

Ugh I wish

[indigo thorn]

Rest in piece shady sands, should have been rivet city

[late wedge]

I think they're just going to leave SS's location pretty ambiguous

[pastel hatch]

I just praying to god that Todd didn't touch the rest of the NCR.

[coarse grove]

We're going to Camp Golf in the next episode or two.

[pastel hatch]

Or just have a throwaway line like "Oh yeah, the rest of the cities fell after that".

[tame current]

No way they did
We still have a lot more of troopers to see I think

[late wedge]

Ultimately it comes across most like it's just a generic "somewhere in central california" sort of vibe to me and I think ends up maintaining that

[coarse grove]

WHICH SOMEHOW, the NCR still holds control over Camp Golf, so.

[tame current]

I will say again
They have made a whole new type of power armor
They should be somewhat well off

[pastel hatch]

I don't see that. Looks empty, there's no one guarding it, tents look to be mostly empty too.

[tame current]

Somewhat

[indigo thorn]

The misfits

I trained them well

[coarse grove]

The interview says otherwise, lol

i'll find it again.

[pastel hatch]

Wha?

[coarse grove]

Unless Magnus beats me to it.

LOL

[pastel hatch]

There's like a bajillion interviews, which one?

[tame current]

Wait hold on
Victor is in Camp Golf
Or some NCR camp isn't he?

[hearty chasm]

HE SAID IT HE SAID THE THING

[pastel hatch]

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

[coarse grove]

It was something Magnus posted, you'll have to ask him.

[tame current]

Keep watching :]
You won't think it is an innocent reference soon enough :]]]]]

[pastel hatch]

Oh god, they're doing that thing.

[cold jetty]

Leak confirmed

[pastel hatch]

If Creetosis's predictions are right, I will personally break a wall with my fist.

[raw flare]

Need to see a ranger with an AMR killing a member of the legion or BoS atleast

[pastel hatch]

Because for him to be right, would be a fucking disaster for the world.

[tame current]

What thing?

[hearty chasm]

Maximus absolutely would not have survived that blast at all

[tame current]

Yeah no I agree but what thing?

[hearty chasm]

He'd end up like like that skeleton from the wild wasteland perk

[pastel hatch]

Basically that the NCR forces we see are just some guys still wearing the uniform but stayed behind because they're like "oh yeah everyone left but WE stayed because we're the only people who decided otherwise when everything fell apart".

[raw flare]

Wponder if we see any First Recon?

[coarse grove]

To have that many guards, and for them to be lax on checking that caravan.

[pastel hatch]

Basically, squatters and holdouts.

[indigo thorn]

NCR is washed 💔

[tame current]

Hmm
I mean if we take the interviews as gospel dosen't seem like that to me honestly
It seems like the NCR is still trying to carry out campaigns even if at a reduced capacity

[keen solar]

hi fallout season 2 episode 2 chat what are we falling out today

[pastel hatch]

Realistically, maybe there's just a few camps holding out run by a few skeleton crews. An actual campaign would imply the NCR is either suicidal at this point or still going strong even after everything has happened.

But if its just squatters and deserters in Camp Golf, I'm gonna be pissed.

[tame current]

Yeah no it has to be deeper than that

[cobalt pine]

Does vault city still exist

[tame current]

No Primm btw

[pastel hatch]

Hopefully.

[tame current]

I think

[cobalt pine]

How would vault 31-33 react to it

[raw flare]

Most likely, All NCR territory apart from Shady sands and Boneyard exists

[hearty chasm]

Oh shit that's area 51

[pastel hatch]

Again, hopefully Todd's wrath hasn't struck the rest of the nation.

[hearty chasm]

Makes sense as a brotherhood base actually

[raw flare]

I think we see it soon, sill most likely be fine as the post credits scenes don't mean much

VAult City or the Hub may be the NCRs capital

[cobalt pine]

Would vault tec see vault city as a threat?

[tame current]

That's what I'm saying lol

[hearty chasm]

Did Lucy just make a reference to A Christmas Carol

[raw flare]

Yes but I doubt Hank can do much about it

I don't see him able to get another nuke

[tame current]

Is crazy to say that I think they have no set capital now
Like, actually just running things really federally now

[cobalt pine]

Even though its vault tecs own creation

[ember swallow]

so i guess the East coast BOS Are the strongest (as enclave fan i like this outcome)

[raw flare]

Well it said Shady was the first capital, so I think there's a second

[ebon furnace]

does anoyne know where to find the BOS reverb theme that played at the end of episode 2?

[pastel hatch]

I imagine a military junta has taken over, to ensure that everything is locked down.

[raw flare]

Mhm

[coarse grove]

That is correct. They are the largest faction in the East, that we know of.

[hearty chasm]

It seems like the ghoul is becoming nicer and Lucy is becoming a bit more tough

They're rubbing off on one another

[ember swallow]

Out of all BOS groups

[coarse grove]

That Golden rule is gonna bite her in the ass.

[ember swallow]

they are the strongest to even the west

[raw flare]

Sstrongest to an extent, May just be Co existing with NCR if the NCR are still somewhat strong

[coarse grove]

Agreed.

[ember swallow]

as in BOS in the west MB

[pastel hatch]

What if the Brotherhood coalition and the NCR team up to fight the East Coast.

[late wedge]

the cool-ass one when Harkness showed up? I'm about 90% certain that wasn't included in the score when it was released. I listed through that multiple times in its entirety and never clocked it...would be nice to be wrong though

[coarse grove]

NCR aren't East though, like NCR influence doesn't stretch to DC or Chicago, etc etc.

[raw flare]

oh ye I guess they are the strongest overall

[coarse grove]

You want the NCR to team up with those idiots???

[cold jetty]

1:10 https://youtu.be/VWT3wIRJOWg?si=ckOCwgYK2pK2tBPY

[coarse grove]

I'd rather have the NCR and East coalition. They'd get shit done.

[ember swallow]

unlikley as they just defeated them (NCR) at the observatory

[pastel hatch]

I imagine the NCR wants to grab a piece of this new conflict, pull some strings in their favor.

[raw flare]

This is what I was thinking, Maximus joins the NCR to fight or something

[cobalt pine]

The Neo NcR

[pastel hatch]

You mean ragtag remnants with little connection to the actual NCR.

[indigo thorn]

What if Fallout 5 has them teaming up to fight the Enclave, and we play as the descendant of the courier (a tribal)

[ebon furnace]

much thanks

[ember swallow]

i mean we havent seen the actual NCR yet then so who knows they could be worse off then we can imagine

[hearty chasm]

Looks like it's doing it now

Or rather biting her in the face

[coarse grove]

Yeah but they're not going up against the West, it's the East we're talking about. It's a whole different beast.
I'd rather much seem the East and NCR more on neutral terms.

[cobalt pine]

I’d laugh if general lee olvier was still kicking

[hearty chasm]

OH SHIT THAT RADSCORPION LOOKS AWESOME

[ember swallow]

i want to see the east coast justy wipe the floor of all factions in the west

[ebon furnace]

well at least we can powerscale the ghoul, hes no where close to any of the protaganists lol

[indigo lynx]

Just watched the episode

[pastel hatch]

It could, but the Bear is blessed with two heads.

[raw flare]

i feel we may see this

[coarse grove]

Yes, but he's stronger that most people in the Wastes.

[indigo lynx]

Fuck Hank for doing that to shady sands

[indigo thorn]

200 years of farming just to get beat by early game enemies

[late wedge]

ohhh that one. I was thinking a different bit

[ebon furnace]

liberty prime drops onto area 51, all 4 airships get godzilla beamed in seconds

[indigo lynx]

Genuinely looked like the nicest place ever in the wasteland

[ember swallow]

i dont like NCR but yeah that was brutal to watch the Shady sand be destoryed

[raw flare]

Need to see a ranger kill a guy in PA

[hearty chasm]

I would call a radscorpion mid-game

[runic pier]

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes me wish for a nuclear winter...

[runic pier]

Agreed

[indigo lynx]

Also Legion next episode, we see if Caesar is still ruling or if the legate lives

[ebon furnace]

actually yeah @cold jetty i dont see the reverb part in the soundtrack?

[coarse grove]

He is not, we have two new legion leaders, two new characters.

[pastel hatch]

I don't even think they need to do that. Someone suggested that Harkness is there to sow mistrust between the Coalition.

[raw flare]

New Ceasar imo

[ember swallow]

Exactly no other faction has a orbital canon so the east coast will win

[hearty chasm]

That would give new vegas a canon ending tho

Or at least rule out one of them

Oh you edited it

[ember swallow]

Unless some faction gets Helios one working (doubtful)

[coarse grove]

I genuinely don't even think there is a coalition. Not only that, with the way the Brotherhood treated NCR after the Shady Sands bombing? why even, lol the West is not their ally. lol

[cobalt pine]

Even elijah could not

[pastel hatch]

I still think the NCR would be involved to make sure that some things fall in their own favor, like Brotherhood presence in the region suddenly falling apart.

[indigo lynx]

Also Commonwealth is winning the civil war if anything, they have the liberty prime

[junior prairie]

Man I'm overall a fan of the show but I just wish they didn't do NCR dirty like that.

[ebon furnace]

cant wait to see vb-02 vertibirds arrive and just delete the rebellion's vb-01s

[hearty chasm]

I hate that prime video has ads like tf am I paying for

[ember swallow]

thats the enclave style not west coast bos

[hearty chasm]

This ad is a fuckin minute and a half

[coarse grove]

Yeah, the East would be the most sensible way because the East will actually work with the NCR - as the East has with other factions in the past.

[indigo lynx]

3+$ for no ads it's actually stupid

[high aspen]

Alright bout 6 more days till episode 3

[ember swallow]

ugh dont remind me of such along wait

[indigo thorn]

These waits suck

[high aspen]

True

[hearty chasm]

Also apple is acting like they invented vapour cooling in this ad 😭 Like no tf you didn't

[cold jetty]

Whoops.

I’ve listened to most of the soundtrack and I don’t think it’s officially released yet.

This happened with hot dog in season 1

[high aspen]

I loved the first season where they dropped it all at once

[high aspen]

The different variations of the BOS theme throughout were pretty great, especially when Harkness showed up

[pastel hatch]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. If it means the Brotherhood will become weak enough that they won't pose a threat to what's left of the NCR, then they'll gladly take their chances.

Imagine them like vultures, taking apart what's left of each battle.

[coarse grove]

Yeah that's not sensible logic when the East can assist them in wiping out the West chapters and just give them the territory.

[ember swallow]

they dont need help at all

[coarse grove]

Like the East is known to do trades like this and most sensible, the NCR couldn't compete against the East rn, and the best way for the NCR to bounce back would be to eliminate the West, not antagonize the East???

[ember swallow]

they can wipe the floor of the west coast on a nice sat evening as nobodys buisness

[coarse grove]

The NCR would lose LESS people siding with the East too, if the NCR actually cares about it's people.

[pastel hatch]

Even if they don't, the NCR is in a messy state, they'd logically WANT to minimize loss of manpower.

[ember swallow]

they will prob stay neutral in this war as they just got pegged

[raw flare]

What did Maxson think of the NCR?

[coarse grove]

And it would benefit them way more, the West can only really offer fusion cores, that's assuming cold fusion doesn't get stolen, now the West has NOTHING.

[raw flare]

Ccause didn't kellog hate it?

[coarse grove]

He didn't have an opinion.

[coarse grove]

Kellogg hated them, yes

[raw flare]

oh that was kellog then

[pastel hatch]

I see Ajax's point. Why dirty your hands when you can have someone else do the work for you?

The US IRL has assisted in hundreds of proxy conflicts, even though they could deploy their own forces and end the conflict quicker, it's just a matter of how much you want to be involved.

[late wedge]

Yeah, that version of it with the processed electric guitar/bass sound wasn't on the score they released already. We'll have to wait and see if they do release additional tracks after it's all done airing...

[cobalt pine]

Yes but kellog was basically a glorified raider who was kinda hit by the law and order

[ember swallow]

that is the enclave/the gov ways of doing things when the military is needed its full scale conflicts and that is The BOS this is not are timeline mind you

[hearty chasm]

What is hank even trying with these mice

[coarse grove]

Yeah it's like - my mindset is. If they side with the West, they get access to some technology(Maxson doesn't mind sharing a little bit), some knowledge, and a decent trade relationship plus - with how powerful the East is, squashing the West would be easy. Consider it - the route of least resistance with maximum benefit to the NCR, cause the land would be too far away for the East to control effectively. Which is why they rely on other chapters in the West to do it for them, but if the East helps wipe the traitors out, NCR gets access to the territory, and they both get rid of that threat.

[indigo thorn]

Make the head not explode

Trial and error or something

[pastel hatch]

Again, the East Coast Brotherhood is a thousand miles miles away. Why do they need to send forces to destroy the enemy when there's already a means to doing it from a distance.

[ember swallow]

this isnt are time line if they truly wanted do you think they couldve just taken down the chinese or would it have been war if we infiltrated

[hearty chasm]

But... He doesn't seem to be changing anything about the mice

[cobalt pine]

See how far he can push the tech in its mini form

[hearty chasm]

See that makes sense

But how is that tech so small, without any microchips

[pastel hatch]

Are you implying the US didn't use subterfuge and infiltration against the Chinese when we can easily assume they have the ability?

[coarse grove]

Like the only point of contention is that I can see the East wanting ALL the tech from Area 51, or places like that to be in their arsenal, or destroyed.

[ember swallow]

they already sent one man witha vertibird to see what the meeting was about why waste there feul on one man

[hearty chasm]

Oh shit a real alien

[cobalt pine]

Not sure since we don’t know what he took from the second faciliyy

[coarse grove]

Yeah, but he does give us a decent bit of information.

[sand thicket]

Metallic Monks

[balmy hamlet]

When did this drop? I'm a little late.

[ember swallow]

and when they can call

[raw flare]

Do they mention why the Eastern BoS are attacking specifically, is it just to stop Quintus getting too powerful?

[cobalt pine]

About

[pastel hatch]

Because in the grand scheme of things, it's one man.

[coarse grove]

To stop Quintus.

[hearty chasm]

BRUH THEY DESTROYED A PERFECTLY FUNCTIONING CAR

[pastel hatch]

One man in a thousand, one disposable man.

[raw flare]

I could see an NCR-East coalition then tbf

[coarse grove]

It's the most beneficial tbh.

[ember swallow]

a paladin

[raw flare]

I also could see the Legion siding in this conflict aswell

[ember swallow]

an envoy of the BOS

[sand thicket]

Probably not a good option for the BOS when they already have birds

[coarse grove]

I need to see what the two Brothers who lead the Legion now, are about.

[pastel hatch]

Yes, much cheaper than deploying an expeditionary force that can be shot down.

[hearty chasm]

Still that was a perfectly functioning, gorgeous hotrod

[sand thicket]

Yeah it was a nice car

[ember swallow]

so if they want war they will have war do you see spies or any mention of spying for the bos in fallout 4

no its full scale war and conflict against the population any one who resists

they dont need to inflatrate when they have a war machine (liberty prime)

and 1000s of soldiers

[coarse grove]

But his position is a liaison, not a spy. He probably was scouting under Maxson's orders from afar, and the spy, or snitch was in Quintus's chapter.
Someone had to have told Xander about the meeting, cause Quintus purposefully left the Commonwealth out.

[hearty chasm]

Oh shit multiple prydwyns

Wait are we gonna see elder maxon

[sand thicket]

Probably not cuz it would be hard to find the perfect actor for a recurring character

[ember swallow]

yes but a spy is inflatrating under cover he made his allegiance know right away

[indigo thorn]

Maybe

[sand thicket]

That’s why we haven’t seen any recurring characters yet

[hearty chasm]

No that would rule out some of the endings of fallout 4

[indigo thorn]

He's only like 29 in universe

[sand thicket]

Some endings of fallout 4 already have been ruled out railroad and institute ending requires destroying the brotherhood of steel

[harsh mango]

Imagine if he was 67 😭😭😭

[pastel hatch]

Mr. House?

[hearty chasm]

Fair enough yeah

[sand thicket]

Besides him

[late wedge]

Well you can't drive cars in the games so they needed to maintain that in the show LOL

[sand thicket]

You can in fallout 2 but not really driving

[pastel hatch]

I don't think anyone in the Brotherhood is qualified for a driver's license

[sand thicket]

They have vertibird lancers

[ember swallow]

tho they can fly

[sand thicket]

I’m sure they would know how to drive a car

[late wedge]

given that the car was in Area 51 I wonder if it's supposed to be like...a specific or special or notable car in some capacity. Or some military dude just used that as storage of his dope car

[lofty needle]

Im pretty sure minuteman can only keep the bos alive if they destroy the institute right? Meaning bos ending must be canon in f4

Might be wrong

[hearty chasm]

No the minutemen don't have to destroy the bos

[coarse talon]

Minutemen ending doesn’t require interacting with the BoS at all

[indigo thorn]

Its an optional quest if you killed a named bos npc

[lofty needle]

Ah fair

[ember swallow]

they can yes so the conclusion is the minutemen ending is not the ending cause why add it in the first place if that wasnt the ending

[hearty chasm]

The brotherhood kinda remind me of the imperium of man from WH40k

[sand thicket]

Yeah same

They are both pseudo religious

[coarse grove]

There can be a BoS and MM alliance, but it's contigent on the threats in Boston, which the BoS eliminates.

[sand thicket]

Hate xenos

[hearty chasm]

"psuedo" they're very religious

[ember swallow]

i think not destorying the bos with minutemen is more fan service mechanics

[sand thicket]

No cuz technically it’s not a religion

They don’t worship a deity or anything like that

Like the children of atom

Or children of the cathedral

[hearty chasm]

A religion doesn't strictly need a diety

[ember swallow]

the most obvious awnsers are the ones right infront of you

[coarse talon]

That logic doesn’t track since it’s a one and done optional quest if you turn the BoS hostile which progressing the Minutemen does not require you to do

[sand thicket]

They don’t suit the criteria of a religion though

[scarlet scroll]

My question is why didnt they just drive the nuke truck away from the city before trying to disarm it o-o

[coarse grove]

It's funny you say that.

[pastel hatch]

It's a Brahmin, lmao.

[coarse grove]

Get reading to look in #fallout_modding . @sand thicket

[pastel hatch]

I don't think a cow is faster than a car.

[sand thicket]

What’s in there

[coarse grove]

Look at what i posted, lol

[coarse talon]

Was thinking that the whole time

Also I mean what happened to the cops that checked anyone visiting the city from fallout 2

Capital city and you can just walk right in

[scarlet scroll]

I mean either way the truck had to get there, the counter only started when he clipped the wire, they couldve totally tried to at least move it away before commiting to disarming it and possibly blowing everyone up lol

I mean the counter wasnt even displayed at first it probably had more than three minutes time before it went even. If it was even on a timer, it might have been on a trigger

[sand thicket]

See that looks straight out of 40k custodes armor

[pastel hatch]

I don't think it would matter anyways, the blast radius would have still destroyed a chunk of the city.

[coarse grove]

Yeah that's the inspo, it looks good though - gonna use it on my next BoS playthrough.

[scarlet scroll]

Like get the big explody thing as far away before you mess with it!

Or at least evacuate!

[sand thicket]

I’ll probably use that after I’m done with fallout 1

[coarse grove]

It was beeping though, so it's implied that the failsafe just sped it up.

[sand thicket]

I’ve also been looking for power armor overhaul mods for fallout 3 that don’t require ttw but can’t find any

[scarlet scroll]

Yeah but a chunk is better than killing everyone and reducing the entire city to rubble.

[coarse grove]

which knowing hank was his idea, if someone was gonna tamper with it, he'll make it blow up even faster

[pastel hatch]

Barely.

[sand thicket]

I don’t like fallout 3 power armor

[pastel hatch]

That's like a D minus verses a F. The city would still be destroyed on a large scale.

[sand thicket]

Ever since playing fallout 4 it reminds me too much of stormtrooper armor and feels like regular clothes

[scarlet scroll]

Half a city gone is always better than the full city gone. At least then some things survive lol. Thats not barely

[hearty chasm]

Have I mentioned I love how the pip boy flashlights work

In the show

[scarlet scroll]

Either way they could have started moving it and evacuating before touching it instead of immediately messing with a bomb you barely know anything about, given he didnt know about the failsafe

[coarse grove]

better than in-game those mfs barely serve as a fucking lamp.

[scarlet scroll]

Man i am hyyyyped for ep3!!

[pastel hatch]

Let's assume the Brahmin could have carried all the weight and ran. The blast still would level entire houses for a mile and a half, and the shockwave would have shattered bones and broke walls.

[coarse grove]

I think the blast radius was too huge tbh

[scarlet scroll]

But why wouldnt you try to move it away from the populus? I mean whats even the point here, dont do the thing that gives better odds?

[coarse grove]

Everyone panicked, genuinely, if you've never been in high stress situations like that before it's hard to predict how you'll act unless you're trained for it.

[scarlet scroll]

True, fair point

[pastel hatch]

Yes, but at that point there's no point because the fucking center of the NCR would still be decimated beyond repair, even if you had like a small section still alive, the entire federal branch just got KILLED.

[indigo thorn]

All the rads as well

[scarlet scroll]

Id think the obvious idea would be get it far away but ive never had a nuke ticking in front of me

[coarse grove]

Like realistically, there was probably more experienced people there that could've defused it, there was a ranger, soldiers, etc etc. But everyone panicked.

[scarlet scroll]

And that invalidates doing a thing to have better odds why? If five percent survive it is still better than zero so why not do something?

[indigo thorn]

Why didnt everyone just use fast travel to get away

[pastel hatch]

Explosion effects would still apply regardless of distance and size of the bomb.

[ebon furnace]

was that a fallout 4 purifier in shady sands?

[ember swallow]

NGL the nuke looks the size of 76s nukes

[smoky timber]

ok but like how did the nuke even get into Shady Sands, was there like no security checking the caravans

[coarse grove]

Yeah that blast wave would've fucked anyone who wasn't in proper shelter in the distance. And also ALSO.

Let's not forget, there was survivors - a lot of them, they all went into the Vault in Season 1, the ones who worshipped Moldaver were survivors OF Shady Sands, too.

[ebon furnace]

definitely not the size of the megaton one.

[pastel hatch]

As someone mentioned before, lot of things get past security checkpoints.

[ember swallow]

it wishes it was

[scarlet scroll]

I mean there were whole ad campaigns about ducking and covering if you hear or see a nuclear explosion, its basically pointless but people still made those ads because it gave you the slightest better outcome, i see no reason a slightly improved chance isnt worth working towards unless youre just tired that day or something haha

[pastel hatch]

Maybe they were too distracted by the weird guy repeating shit on the floor.

[ebon furnace]

maximus wouldve probably turned into a child ghoul if it was

[scarlet scroll]

Sure everyone will still probably die regardless but if youre trying to disarm a bomb you know nothing about how good are your odds anyways lol

[smoky timber]

a lot of things do, but covering a whole ass nuke with a tarpool is very different to that of, say, stuffing drugs up your ass

[ember swallow]

since that nuke was Possibly chinese it was bigger since the us didint focus on there nukes much but china did

[ebon furnace]

nuke was definitely chinese, theres another model in fnv which is one of the nukes that got past houses defense but was faulty

[pastel hatch]

This can be summed up to also show that the NCR can be incompetent sometimes.

[scarlet scroll]

Bro so true

[coarse grove]

Hank probably stole it

[pastel hatch]

They didn't have Pipboys.

[scarlet scroll]

I do that every time. So simple

[scarlet scroll]

Damn bro true :[ sucks to be in the ncr

[smoky timber]

not that incompetant though

[scarlet scroll]

Imagine not having ft

[ebon furnace]

the one in shady sands? im pretty sure the shady sands one is literally a mark 28

wait a minute

hold on

thats a mark 28 nuke

[ember swallow]

fast travel isnt actually teleporting beside fo4 inside institue as it jsut speeds up wlaking

[scarlet scroll]

Well tbf we did see some guys in power armor playing with a live grenade. Just not checking something definitely isnt stupider than that.... righttt???

[coarse grove]

yeah im saying Hank probably stole it from somewhere, or had access to it. We know Vault tec gave people information on whereabouts of Nukes.

Fallout 76's overseer was literally told all the locations of the Silos in Appalachia.

[scarlet scroll]

Dont break my head canon jeez

[coarse grove]

So it wouldn't be out of the norm for that information to be accessible to some.

[smoky timber]

again, very different situation, 2 dumbasses with a grenade =/= sneaking a giant nuke into a city

[smoky timber]

ok but that one is lowkirkenuinely pretty funny

[ebon furnace]

hank somehow got his hands on a mark 28 nuke.

werent all the mark 28s transferred to the sentinel site due to it being too small/were being experimented to be placed on missiles?

[coarse grove]

Eh, it is. If you know anything about IRL military, they're not perfect and sooooooooo much shit is snuck onto facilities. There are entire coke operations going on in barracks sometimes my guy. lol

[scarlet scroll]

Its not like they have xray vision, it could have very well been a keg of booze. Not checking under an unknown cloth is most certainley less risky than playing with live explosives. At least assuming you dont know whats under it. Except occasionally you forget to check and someone sneaks a bomb by you and then its bad.

[coarse grove]

I don't believe so? Even if so, i imagine Bethesda would probably retcon it.

[smoky timber]

this is not some shit you can sneak into a facility easily tho. coke is nothing compared to a nuke

[scarlet scroll]

They dont have metal detectors. The best check they have is just visually inspecting stuff. Sonetimes people just dont inspect the thing or get distracted.

[coarse grove]

No I'm talking LABS, my guy.
Not coke itself, but there's been plenty of situations where drug labs on bases have been busted. Soldiers get lax, they get tired, they don't do full inspections 24/7. They should, but they're human, they make mistakes - or don't have proper equipment. It's perfectly explainable.

[ebon furnace]

max raises a decent point, even though ncr was relatively civilized, it would be odd to at least not have a customs checkpoint checking trade going into a city due to the fact that outside the major cities, it is still a wasteland

modern US customs is really stingy on inbound cargo, NCR customs would be even stingier

[indigo thorn]

The NCR soldiers clearly respected that he spoke their native tongue and trusted him

[indigo thorn]

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter

[scarlet scroll]

Go right on in!

[coarse grove]

I'm not saying they didn't have a check point, the more realistic answer is probably the soldiers didn't do a thorough job doing it. They probably were just a little lazy, and it bit them - and the city, in the ass. The NCR isn't perfect, they make mistakes. This was one of them.

And it's evident the city has gone through a revamp since the originals given the laser checkpoints are gone from what we can see, so.

[ember swallow]

I will say i loved how they did the vertibird docking it was on spot

[ebon furnace]

Honestly, that might be a legitimate answer. To NCR soldiers, the dude clearly looks like a Mojave veteran suffering from significant PTSD, and they might have just let him in out of pity.

What can you say, complacency kills.

[scarlet scroll]

I mean regardless the answer is complacency like you said. It couldve been he looks ncr, it couldve been a guard was tired that day and just didnt feel like it. I mean whats the worst to be under a tarp? Its not like they get nukes and bombs being snuck by them every day id assume.

Realistically people arent robots and we kind of suck at maintaining a strict protocol often times.

I mean some people find it hard to get up for work in the morning

[coarse grove]

Also to make it abundantly clear, the NCR was not expecting anyone to pull a nuke into Shady Sands. It's heavily implied that Shady Sands hadn't been touched in terms of combat or skirmishes often due to the heavy NCR presence.

So it's safe to assume that they genuinely didn't think anyone was ballsy enough(on par with Kimball's line of thinking and policies, cause god is he moronic). And they just assumed it was another caravan.

[ebon furnace]

NCR just kinda forgot that outside of its major cities, its still a wasteland lol

[scarlet scroll]

But for god sakes they could have tried to get it away from the damn city before immediately fiddling with an unknown bomb >:[ i mean they could have had 20 minutes an hour a day who knows to move this

[ebon furnace]

tbf it was remotely activated by hank i dont think they couldve done anything

[scarlet scroll]

I mean itll explode at some point but its surely not going to be in four minutes!

[fleet wind]

So where is the legion camp in the end credits that's inside a stadium

[pulsar hinge]

Could've called up a soldier with power armor to haul it away

[coarse grove]

We don't know yet.

[coarse grove]

Not enough time.

[ebon furnace]

it was remotely activated by hank, the dude was in the middle of disarming it when hank activated the timer

[scarlet scroll]

True but youd have longer than four minutes probably, either way trying to haul it away is the least dangerous option. Guess they just freaked out

[coarse grove]

What? No the failsafe kicked in because he tried disarming it. That's how failsafes work.

[scarlet scroll]

It said failsafe activated after he cut the wire. Cutting the wire triggered a failsafe

[coarse grove]

It was already armed, disarming it just sped it up.

[ebon furnace]

ah

[coarse grove]

It probably went from 6 minutes to like 3

[scarlet scroll]

Which is why the better option would be "its already on a truck, pack it up and get it out of here"

[ebon furnace]

i thought hank activated it when his puppet died

[scarlet scroll]

It could have been longer since the caravan could be delayed for any multitude of reasons

[coarse grove]

No, no. Hank armed it, and it was beeping down, then the disarm sped it up.

[ebon furnace]

fair enough

[pastel hatch]

I'm surprised nobody mentioned this.

[scarlet scroll]

Since if you bomb gets delayed by radscorpions for twenty minutes you dont want it blowing a hole in a random spot in the desert lol

[coarse grove]

Cause you see it on the screen it said "Failsafe activated" with the Vault boy thumbs up.

[ebon furnace]

honestly i dont think anthing couldve been done, the caravan was already in the city center, and in 10 minutes you probably couldve moved a kilometer or so. either way theres a reason why nukes dont care about accuracy.

[coarse grove]

I agree with you.

[pulsar hinge]

Does anyone have the image of the crater

[scarlet scroll]

Realistically the timer isnt going to be super short as you want to make sure it reaches the destination before blowing up. They may have had upwards of an hour but who knows unless you try getting the nuke far away

[coarse grove]

Could've but we dunno, he could've been tracking it we know pipboys in lore do use trackers similar to in-game so he could've tracked it into the city

[pastel hatch]

This?

[pulsar hinge]

Perfect

[drowsy garden]

since yall were talking about this

[scarlet scroll]

I mean either way you cut it its better to not mess with it and get it as far away as possible. Specifically because they dont know how to disarm it and trying to led to well

[scarlet scroll]

That

[runic pier]

PatrollingThe mojave almost makes me wish for nuclear a winter

[ebon furnace]

i feel like that crater should be retconned. the nuke depicted is clearly a mk28, which is a low yield bomb more similar to the davy crockett than a thermonuke

[scarlet scroll]

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes me wish for a nuclear winter

[coarse grove]

But hang on though, people did escape the blast though

They're in the Vault in season 1

The cult that worships moldaver

Those are survivors

[scarlet scroll]

I mean by that logic you could literally outrun this nuke

Surely a brahmin couldve hauled it far enough lmfao

[coarse grove]

Idk if they outran it, they probably were just closer?

[pastel hatch]

Are you sure they aren't just people who hung out on the outskirts?

[coarse grove]

They said survivors from Shady Sands, and they teach about it in their schools.

[scarlet scroll]

Yeah but how would they know about the bomb, theyd have three minutes for news to spread

[coarse grove]

Cause what the Vault became was a mix of dwellers and survivors.

[pulsar hinge]

Could be they were out on caravan runs when the nuke detonated

[pastel hatch]

Yeah, this.

[scarlet scroll]

True but its quite a few people. How many would reliably be on caravan?

[coarse grove]

That's way too many people.

[pulsar hinge]

In addition to travelers going back and forth to Vegas, returning troopers, ect

[scarlet scroll]

Id say there were about 40-60 in the weird cult meeting which doesnt seem far fetched i guess

[coarse grove]

And when the ceremony happens the Vault tec guy was like, "Oh idk that's a surface dweller tradition, we don't do that" in terms of the dwellers not doing what they do. There was about like 40ish or more of them

[scarlet scroll]

Maybe go up to 80 or 100 for people who didnt attend

Even that number isnt too crazy.

[coarse grove]

Why not just literally go anywhere else. And the only way you'd know the Vault was there is if you're a resident of Shady Sands, because it's right there.

[solar elk]

Just finished it 🔥 was nice to see shady sands before ya know….. 👀

[scarlet scroll]

I think its possible, not that this point is too important to me because again just move the damn truck lol

[coarse grove]

Odds are the people who did survive, made it to the Vault - but I doubt they outran it. But it was something I realized that Max wasn't the only one who made it.

[scarlet scroll]

What a silly billy fiddling with a live nuclear bomb!

[coarse grove]

Anchorage flashback soon. 🔥

[pulsar hinge]

I mean residents of shady sands on their way back to shady from vegas

[scarlet scroll]

What do we think the canon ending for nv is so far? I know they said they wouldnt canonize anything buttttt

[viscid fossil]

https://x.com/i/status/2003843284633059475

bianca ❄️ (@rapunzelariels)

hmmmm 🧐🧐🧐🧐

X · Dec 24, 2025, 3:00 PM

[coarse grove]

That's a stretch for me, but idk I could be wrong. It just doesn't make too much sense to me.

[viscid fossil]

House, due to the presence of Victor, and House being on his monitor bank.

[coarse grove]

None of them.

Bethesda said they won't pick one.

[scarlet scroll]

I mean 100 residents out and about out of the i think it was like 31000? I forget the amount of people.

[coarse grove]

And the only new vegas thing that's canon so far is the Courier delivering the chip, given the securitrons are upgraded in the trailer.

[ebon furnace]

30 thousand speople is medium town sized population, having a nuke wipe out 99% of it is plausible

[scarlet scroll]

Yes i know. Still either way they will accidentally lean into some sort of events happening

[viscid fossil]

Indeed. 😂 https://youtu.be/YcR9k8o4I0w?si=GyMwGAf4Ha_tQp4N

[scarlet scroll]

Its kind of inevitable id say

[coarse grove]

Nah, I think they can do it perfectly fine without committing or leaning one way or another.

[scarlet scroll]

I dont. Kinda hard to tell a story that follows after another story with the same characters and groups without making some sort of implication even if its small

[ebon furnace]

lol the largest ever nuclear crater was only a couple hundred meters wide

theres no way that a singular low yield bomb smaller than a caravan truck could cause this

[pulsar hinge]

Imagine all the explosives and nuclear weapons stored there

[coarse grove]

They're not following New Vegas's story, they're using the location and some characters. We'll get some stuff, but as for the main story? No shot. And anything involving the Courier is just bad writing. None of the previous game protagonists had their specific choices canonized aside from a selective, few percentage of things. This should follow the same route.

[scarlet scroll]

Its magic nuke tech man. Come on magic radiation and you dont think there magic nukes too?!?!

[austere tendon]

he has some urgent business to attend to

[ebon furnace]

i mean if it was an unknown special nuke dont use the model of an already existing nuke from the games lol

[coarse grove]

Besides the Mojave chapter of the BoS doesnt exist, it's gone. Caesar's Legion is split into two - with two new characters leading them. The boomers haven't been mentioned. The Khan's took Novac, the King's are ghouls.
We're not gonna get any main story stuff facilitated and set in stone.

[scarlet scroll]

Yeah but even something simple like the scale of a group or their locations can be a tell to some extent. Theyll have to do some real work to avoid leaning any direction

[scarlet scroll]

its a magic nuke let it do its magic man

[balmy hamlet]

who the fuck was the guy who challenged maximus

[coarse grove]

I'd say they're doing decent so far.

[balmy hamlet]

that dude was SEETHING it was absolutely personal

[scarlet scroll]

Bearface mcbeefcake

[coarse grove]

A random fucking Knight.

Bro thought he was all talk and got gutted for it.

[scarlet scroll]

And he could have just had a fist fight

[cold jetty]

@coarse grove I hope if we see any other member from the commonwealth, they just don’t port their uniforms from FO4 and make something original.

Because these outfits from the show MOG FO4 BOS

[scarlet scroll]

Bro HAD to pull a knife smh

[coarse grove]

TRUE. He had to pull out the knife

[coarse grove]

I agree. ALSO I told you, no Scribe Haylen hat... I REJOICE.

[scarlet scroll]

Bearface mcbeefcake more like bearface mc... chicken...

[balmy hamlet]

love the grand canyon bos guy

[coarse grove]

We had some fucking, freman looking field scribes though lmao

[balmy hamlet]

fucking signpiece in his head

[silver river]

Why was it so peak

[scarlet scroll]

I was wondering what was in his head

[silver river]

Why was it so peak

[coarse grove]

A license plate

LMAO

[silver river]

Lmao so peak

[scarlet scroll]

My guy can drive legally in california now

[coarse grove]

🤣

[silver river]

I loved the patrolling the Mojave reference that was absolute cinema

[scarlet scroll]

Dont piss him off he might turn into a robot

[silver river]

Also my goat Maximus hauling absolute ass

[scarlet scroll]

The ghoul fight scene was awesome

I wonder what thad's doing now that hes newly ghoulified

[silver river]

I’m nervous for Lucy now tho

[coarse grove]

Rallying children I guess?

[silver river]

I hope the ghoul saves her ass

[coarse grove]

Legion don't play

[silver river]

Also why the fuck did the slave bring her to a legion camp?

[scarlet scroll]

Tbf im pretty sure she did say she should leave soon

[coarse grove]

Because she's been conditioned to believe freedom is a worse fate than with the Legion.

[cold jetty]

Xander having tan underarmor is a good sign. I really hope the east coast bos can look as cool as these chapters

[coarse grove]

Xander is gonna be one of my favorites. I can tell.

No wonder Maxson sent him.

[silver river]

Maxson better be in the show

[scarlet scroll]

Yeah hes pretty cool

[scarlet scroll]

Definitely!

[coarse grove]

As much as I'd love it, until I see some casting stuff I remain doubtful he'll appear. Maybe his voice ? But idk

[late wedge]

I'm with you. Who tf approved making him so goddamn cool

[scarlet scroll]

Dunno but that coat is awesome and i want one

[late wedge]

Here's the real question about this scene though - did Vault-Tec have a pre-programmed bomb graphic ready to go in case their people needed that? Or did Hank take a few minutes inbetween reading books to Lucy to program in that cute little graphic himself

Hank seems like a real hands-on kinda guy, I think he did it himself

[cold jetty]

Dane definitely ratted Quintus out

[coarse grove]

100000%

[scarlet scroll]

Dane is such a bro he cut open his leg just for maximus to get promoted and informed the east coast

[late wedge]

They're missing out if they don't do a nice product tie in with a jacket company like Columbia does with Star Wars

[scarlet scroll]

Fr

[coarse grove]

Dane didn't count for Maximus and Quintus getting close though. I'm ngl the Quintus line with calling Max son caught me off guard, and the flashback with Shady Sands emphasizing Max's want for a parental figure just plays up how Quintus probably isn't going away any time soon. Yet.

[late wedge]

I'm liking Maximus' storyline a lot so far this season...even though it's all of half of one episode.

I really like the way that dynamic is shifting with him and Dane, too. With Max and Dane being like, properly aspirational but kinda puny and not like all the rest of the dudes, with now Maximus growing in his position, but also having to prove himself more like in the fight with the dude, and Dane sees him becoming more like all the other BOS jerks that they weren't a part of before. I'm excited to see what more he ends up doing.

especially after Maximus was somewhat...frustrating during season 1, he's really coming into his own already

[scarlet scroll]

Personally i thought the ending of s1 implied maximus didnt even want to be a knight anymore. Like he realizes how broken the brotherhood is. He also seems fed up with it and to be going through the motions in s2

I wonder how itll play out

[coarse grove]

I think it showed him conflicted, because he loves Lucy, clearly. But Lucy's father is the one who blew up Shady Sands. And she left him without a word. But Quintus uplifted him again. When he was in doubt

[scarlet scroll]

It also seemed like thats where his story IS headed since his talk with Titus. Like he realizes that most of these people are quite wackadoodle

[late wedge]

I think I'm the most interested now in seeing how Maximus changes as a character. Lucy and the Ghoul, while they'll develop certainly, I care more about seeing Maximus change now

[scarlet scroll]

This

[coarse grove]

I care about Max and the Ghoul the most, I'm convinced that the Ghoul has been playing up a persona of his movie characters to cope until he finds his family.

[late wedge]

I do agree. The BOS is doing a very good job of, for lack of a better phrase, making members like Maximus be in abusive relationships with the brotherhood lol

[late wedge]

That accent's a cope lmao

[scarlet scroll]

Definitely. His movie career was about him becoming a hardened cowboy who COULD do the hard thing and shoot the bad guy. His entire prewar life he faught against that idea

[late wedge]

Wild ending of Season 3 is The Ghoul's story being resolved and it's signaled by his accent just shifting to be a bit more neutral lol

[scarlet scroll]

Scene:
Ghoul finally realizes hes been wrong all along, he turns to the camera, smiles and gives a thumbs up. Roll credits.

[indigo thorn]

Maybe the real Fallout was inside me all along

[late wedge]

Also de-aged Hank looked really good this time. He felt very uncanny in S1, but the clip of him in the vault was entirely passable to me this time

[scarlet scroll]

Yeah in s1 his mouth looked so fake. Like i swear it was an ai lipsync or something it looked terrible.

Whatever they used there was so offputting lol

[teal thicket]

the fucking "patroling the mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter" guy fucking cracked me up

[austere tendon]

i wonder if he is alright

[teal thicket]

he was passed out right next to a nuke, he's turbo dead

[austere tendon]

nahh he lived

[rain hamlet]

so, east vs west Brotherhood then?

also, i like the fact that the commonwealth could kick their asses
it made me smile

[covert galleon]

I just think it’s amazing how they made it work. It’s a meme based on some weird coding that caused a line to repeat a lot, it should t work lol

[silver river]

They got there wish ironically

[terse thorn]

The west bos factions makes me appreciate maxson more

At least maxsons bos isn’t just a bunch of dumbass jocks

I don’t see the east bos lacking that kind of professionalism

[quiet prairie]

Tbh it’s kinda weird how they handled the west like I guess alots changed since we last saw Bos in Cali but they went from the diehard fanatics to this

[silver river]

Lmao west Is having fights and murding each other

[terse thorn]

I think people like Quintus just aren’t true believers

He’s manipulative and power hungry and that’s all he cares for

The west bos has been corrupted by these people

[quiet prairie]

Yeah, I kinda wanna see what happened of the Mojave chapter

Probably dead

[terse thorn]

They spent way too long by themselves without someone like maxson to reign them in

[river merlin]

They’re a crater in the ground probably

[silver river]

Pretty sure no matter what they die

I don’t think there’s an ending they survive

[terse thorn]

It’ll be safe to say I’m rooting for the commonwealth bos

[quiet prairie]

Shame say what you want but mcnarma wasn’t a bad elder

[terse thorn]

Maxson was probably the best thing that happened to the bos

[river merlin]

Of course the BoS from the game where they are the good guys are good guys

[quiet prairie]

Me to, they’re closer to maxsons original brotherhood at this point

[terse thorn]

Like say what you want about the guy but maxson is not incompetent

That man knows how to run the bos

[quiet prairie]

For sure I agree, I never disliked maxson

[silver river]

Exactly and he wants to achieve actual BOS goals

[river merlin]

I like the Grand Canyon BoS I mean

[quiet prairie]

You compare him to that whole room of elders and they look like children compared to him

[terse thorn]

I guarantee he would never allow those dumbass jocks who play with plasma grenades to even touch power armour

[silver river]

I wonder if paladin harkness is Nate

[river merlin]

If they’ve got the whole fuckin’ canyon locked down that’s pretty sweet

[quiet prairie]

Probably not but cool theory

[terse thorn]

It’s time to liberty prime the west BOS

[silver river]

“Put us down I’m bored and I wanna shoot something”

[silver river]

They should bring him from the east to west and have him fight

[quiet prairie]

It’s sad that they’re probably gonna have the west win the civil war

I hope they don’t do Arthur dirty

[analog timber]

or just him dead in his cryo chamber

[terse thorn]

Nothing good can happen to the bos

[silver river]

Me too I hope Maximus betrays the west and sides with the east

[quiet prairie]

We saw him running off with that paladin in the trailer so who knows

[terse thorn]

If the either side wins What’s next for the bos in terms of their role in the overall story?

[quiet prairie]

Cursed by to much screentime, more time for the show to do them dirty

[quiet prairie]

Dude that’s a hard one to answer

They’re shifting from the diehard fanatics we found in fallout 1 to closer to the ncr, a bunch of soldiers just surviving who don’t care a lot about their actual mission just trying to benefit

[silver river]

WE alllll love the BOS

[quiet prairie]

True, the only question is which brotherhood

[shadow oxide]

I saw the Patrolling the Mojave bit coming a mile away.

[terse thorn]

I certainly don’t love the west BoS

They’re the bos in name only

Maxsons bos is the closest thing to the og one

[quiet prairie]

It’s kinda sad to see the original brotherhood turn into whatever this is

[terse thorn]

And I’m curious if the enclave will appear again

[quiet prairie]

Yeah for sure

[late wedge]

I highly doubt we'd end up seeing Arthur Maxson directly, but I could see them almost doing a sort of nameless / faceless big-bad version of the Brotherhood Commonwealth where Maxson talks to / reprimands the West Coast BOS chapters as the civil war presumably starts. Would be a good cameo to do it that way. But Harkness chilling there throws that off a little bit maybe

[shadow bough]

I don’t care what anyone says that Indian actor will fit the role perfectly

[shadow bough]

We will probably get holotapes of him

[quiet prairie]

Yeah I honestly don’t want them to show Arthur I fear they’ll ruin his character

Best to leave his character as is

[shadow bough]

I think Nate will be mentioned but I believe he stayed with the minutemen

[quiet prairie]

I prefer they don’t specify to much

[late wedge]

...are you talking about the Pakistani actor Kumail Nanjiani?

[terse thorn]

I think there’s a reason why the bos normally doesn’t recruit outsiders

[quiet prairie]

So it’s up more to interpretation

[terse thorn]

Because then you get dumbass jocks as knights

[quiet prairie]

Yeah I used to think it was good for the BoS but now I Lowkey think the Mojave chapter had a point

They corrupted their ranks

[shadow bough]

I Lowk forget where he’s from but a lot of people say he’s Indian but aside that I feel like he will be a perfect character

[late wedge]

He's not Indian

[shadow bough]

Yeah I know

I keep forgetting where he’s from

[late wedge]

But yes, I think his character is going to be cool as hell. Honestly too cool for the show lol

[shadow bough]

But the real question is

[late wedge]

I'm very excited to see more of him

[shadow bough]

What did he in the commonwealth

Was he in the institute when it was attacked

Or was he knighted after

[quiet prairie]

We’ll see what happens with his character

[shadow bough]

Better not butcher it

[late wedge]

I'm doubtful they'll say anything about that

[shadow bough]

They have to

[late wedge]

I don't think they're going to try and lay out any events of the east coast

[shadow bough]

Scam

[ebon furnace]

I bet he’s gonna be the reason why Maximus leaves quintus’ chapter. He and Maximus gets along real well, then quintus has him killed and Maximus leaves

[shadow bough]

They literally agreed they would get dog walked by the commonwealth

[quiet prairie]

Yesh something like that

[shadow bough]

They have to at least hint at the synths

[ebon furnace]

I’m just confused why the commonwealth would send the prydwen to quintus’ chapter, like the prydwen? the symbol of east coast BOS resurgence?

[tame current]

What was even the reasoning behind this

[quiet prairie]

Best case scenario for the brotherhood is a commonwealth victory

[shadow bough]

Because they have cold fusion

Maxon wants a piece of it

[late wedge]

Things may be hinted at, but I do doubt they'll lay out specifics of things like canon ending of FO4 (despite the brotherhood being around like this uh certainly being notable lol), and I'd be VERY surprised if Nate is referenced. I think they're really trying to maintain the games feeling like you have control as best they can without directly commenting on certain things, and the showrunners have all said as much

[ebon furnace]

Yes but why would the prydwen help the quintus chapter secede?

[shadow bough]

Plot

Or they won’t

[rain hamlet]

if you look at it then the west coast BOS hasnt really done much in the last 2 decades while the east coast has done nothing but wage war
they are prepared for it, the west coast just has no way of winning this civil war even if they are united

[ebon furnace]

Fuckkk they’re gonna destroy the prydwen aren’t they

[terse thorn]

The east bos is literally just more powerful

[shadow bough]

Better not

[terse thorn]

And they’re run by someone who actually knows what they’re doing

[shadow bough]

Or I’ll have to involved

[quiet prairie]

I’m scared the commonwealth is gonna be just as stupid as this chapter, we already saw Titus who was from the commonwealth originally and he definitely wasn’t the best representation of them

[ebon furnace]

have this bad feeling that the tv show is gonna end up with the wiping of the west coast into a new slate

[cold jetty]

Titus isn’t from the commonwealth

He belongs to Quintus

[quiet prairie]

I could of sworn he was my bad then

[rain hamlet]

also, my theory is that the west coast will fight a civil war against themselves and not against the east coast, there is no way those numbskulls stay united

[terse thorn]

We haven’t seen the prydwin yet

[ebon furnace]

He’s from the prydwen, which is from the commonwealth

[ebon furnace]

It’s the airship in s1

[cold jetty]

That airship in season 1 was the Caswennan

[shadow bough]

We saw like 5 seconds of it

[tawdry horizon]

Oh yeah Titus was commonwealth

[covert galleon]

Keeping toasters away from people and lording over them. Actually is there any good more examples of what it’s like people living under essentially brotherhood of steel occupation or protection? I’m not sure honestly what word fits better.

[tawdry horizon]

Shit I thought he was Quintus

[ebon furnace]

So the sole purpose of the prydwen was to show up for 5 seconds, drop off knights, and F off ?

[rain hamlet]

it was named the pyrdwen but the one in season 2 is called the cassawennen or whatever
so they might have retconned it

[tawdry horizon]

Ok so maybe the east coast brotherhood is as bad as the west

[quiet prairie]

Yeah that worries me

[tawdry horizon]

I mean Titus folded immediately

[tame current]

Maybe this is right but the thing that tips me off of it (other than the fact it is AI lol) is the fact it refers to Shady as being right smack in the middle of the LA urban area

[shadow bough]

Well I mean I think they would want to keep control of the commonwealth

[terse thorn]

Why is there an L

[quiet prairie]

The confusing part is the cleric talks shit about how the brotherhood lost its way and that he was gonna fix it but his dudes are just as bad

[cold jetty]

It’s supposed to be the Caswennan. It having prydwen written on the side was 100% a mistake. Why would the commonwealth give quintus their airship if quintus already has his own?

[quiet prairie]

Idk lol

[ebon furnace]

they have liberty prime lol

[terse thorn]

They spelled it wrong lmao

[shadow bough]

“DWLN” ??

[cold jetty]

They literally called it the Caswennan back in season 1

[rain hamlet]

that is my theory as well

[shadow bough]

Gotta be built again

[ebon furnace]

It’s a faded E, you can see the middle part sticking out

[lofty needle]

the wiki says this but they dont give any citation or reference to back this up so it might not be true

[ebon furnace]

I’m pretty sure the BOS ending is canon, else there really isn’t much of a reason for the Midwest chapters to be scared of the commonwealth.

[shadow bough]

It’s BoS mixed with minuteman ending

[terse thorn]

So it’s not the prydwen

[shadow bough]

Either or, Nate helped

[tawdry horizon]

It's a long shot but unless the East Coast sent their worst to Quintus

[terse thorn]

The minuteman ending is kinda ridiculous tbh

[ebon furnace]

Doubtful. Minutemen ending results in a stagnant BoS, which definitely wouldn’t have sent the prydwen to the midwestern chapters

[shadow bough]

True but at least the general outfit is cool

[terse thorn]

Like a militia found a way to destroy the institute lol

[late wedge]

I mean one of the things with BOS though is still that like...military dudes are always kind of military dudes. While the overall 'culture' of west coast vs east coast is different, it's not as if the BOS was this perfectly militaristic faction on the west coast

[terse thorn]

A militia of farmers and settlers

[quiet prairie]

So if were to assume Titus is commonwealth that means they all act like this or at least the majority we’ve seen

[lofty needle]

no that wiki article implies it is the prydwen and Caswennan is just a misnomer

[quiet prairie]

They lowkey butchered the brotherhoods image

[lofty needle]

but again im not sure if i believe that wiki article idk

[cold jetty]

@quiet prairie If harkness is anything to go on the commonwealth is fine. Geneva said Harkness is the antithesis of knight Titus

[shadow bough]

We can ALL yes we that nate is helping another settlement rn

[late wedge]

was trying to remember if it was a terminal entry or not but like...this is no different than the shit the east coast BOS does that people act like "oh they'd NEVER do those things under Maxson"

[quiet prairie]

Then there’s hope but it’s hard when we’ve only seen two people from the commonwealth

[ebon furnace]

But we can’t, that’s a hasty generalization fallacy

That’s like saying one incident of an f/a-18 falling off a carrier means the entire usn is incompetent

[cold jetty]

One* Quintus and the west already have airships. That was 100% the Caswennan back in season 1

[ebon furnace]

We saw the name of the airship, it’s the prydwen

[quiet prairie]

Though it makes no sense, it is the prydwen

I lowkey think they just screwed it up and made it super confusing

[ebon furnace]

Look it’s the prydwen, and Titus was a bad knight. Is Titus from the east coast? Probably. Is he representative of the entire eastern BOS? No.

[quiet prairie]

He’s not but it feels like the show were trying to show us what the east coast ranks are like

[rain hamlet]

pretty sure the airship docked at area 51 is the Caswennan

[tawdry horizon]

Theyve shown us 1 knight from the east coast

[ebon furnace]

We see the prydwen arriving in season 1.

[cold jetty]

And I’m calling it a mistake

[ebon furnace]

Idk I trust the show over a vanity fair article

[cold jetty]

Variety fair must’ve predicted the Caswennan for season 2

[ebon furnace]

Ahhhh

[late wedge]

And now we've seen two BOS members from the east coast with Harkness showing up and he's cool as hell and can do no wrong so

[quiet prairie]

Yeah there’s hope but it’s kinda a bad sign when the show is like here’s a knight from the commonwealth, but I’m gonna be optimistic and hope they won’t do the rest dirty

[rain hamlet]

but the one in season 2 is the Caswennan

[ebon furnace]

Missed that detail mb

[tawdry horizon]

I think tbh Titus was written to show Maximus that his idealistic vision of the BoS doesn't mesh with reality

[ebon furnace]

So the prydwen sole appearance was to drop off knights and fuck off lmao fair enough

[lime spoke]

When does the ep go live

[rain hamlet]

well it is easily missed and so far only seen in episode 2
so no big deal lol

[tawdry horizon]

Rather than a specifically East Coast is bad Vibe

[lofty needle]

tbf if something was to happen to the prydwen (like it being the one shot down in the trailer) i think we will get verification which one is the prydwen again in season 2 before something like that happens

[quiet prairie]

They probably were like “here looks familiar thing from fallout 4” then that was it

[lime spoke]

Wait has it gone live

[quiet prairie]

Trying to hype the show

[cold jetty]

The east coast sending the prydwen cross country just to let Quintus have cold fusion because that makes so much sense

[quiet prairie]

It’s out

[quiet prairie]

Bethasda logic

[cold jetty]

Good thing that’s not what’s happening

[ebon furnace]

Honestly I feel like the airship being shot down probably is the Caswennan bc of Maximus defecting, yk the whole trope of a protagonist leaving the chaos of their doing a-la wolfenstein nuke scene

[rain hamlet]

maybe they used the prydwen to deliver the message about the enclave researcher
cold fusion IS essential so you'd want to make sure the message is sent and recieved without effort

[quiet prairie]

The reality is the brought it to show it off to the fans and hype them up and that’s it

[red sonnet]

i think thats a red herring.

[quiet prairie]

It kinda served no purpose to the plot

[red sonnet]

i think one prydwen class airship explodes because the knights cant stop fucking playing with a plasma grenade

[ebon furnace]

real

[quiet prairie]

Probably

[ebon furnace]

Quintus’ chapter is literally just raiders playing dress up with power armor

[red sonnet]

they are the mechanicus from 40k

[rain hamlet]

honestly i fully believe they will get their civil war
just not against the commonwealth lol

[red sonnet]

religion + BoS

[ebon furnace]

Ain’t no professionalism like proctor ingram

[red sonnet]

also, i loved the other BoS chapters - finally we get to see some additional chapters from the BoS and they are all assholes, lmao

[cold jetty]

The brotherhood can communicate with both coast without airships. They’ve been doing it since fallout 3

[quiet prairie]

Wait good point do you think those chapters there all turn on each other

[red sonnet]

also, am i the only one annoyed that lucy ditched the ghoul?

[quiet prairie]

Nope

[empty matrix]

Did anyone else notice The Ghoul drop his cowboy accent for a moment after he got scorp'd or was that just the strain of dying of radscorpion poisoning?

[red sonnet]

she is an absolutely horrible party leader, the ghoul is an asshole but he has been loyal, lol

[quiet prairie]

Yeah he did

[rain hamlet]

we know the other airships are from the other chapters now
so from that teaser we see multiple airships firing at eachother
i believe it is the other chapters fighting against eachother and not against the commonwealth at all

[ebon furnace]

“Grand Canyon Chapter”, “Yosemite Chapter”, and one chapter being extremely misogynistic? P sure some of these chapters are former legion tribes

[rain hamlet]

somehow the Legion infiltrated the BOS and now has airships to finally crush the NCR

[late wedge]

LOL hang on, one of the BOS members got an STD from sex with a ghoul in a terminal entry? lmaoooo nah, these guys can be dumb too (Prydwen terminal entry in FO4)

[ebon furnace]

Nah I feel like this is more “reckless expansion corrupting the faction”

[quiet prairie]

There was like no reason to make them misogynistic males no sense at all, the Bos all originated from Cali and the original Bos we found in fallout 1 clearly had female soldiers and etc

[cold jetty]

I think that elder was joking

[austere tendon]

makes you wish for a nuclear winter etc but really makes no sense that guy ws not in the mojave

[ebon furnace]

He’s likely a veteran and the device just locked in him his…bad memories