EPISODE 4

[opal tiger]

It's either that or Maxson was already aware of his potential betrayal. Xander arrived way too quickly, and knew too much ahead of time, imho.

[still vigil]

I mean a few weeks have passed or so, the fact that they haven’t reported the artifact to them yet is major sus

[vast wasp]

Well he said I heard you're planning a revolution without us

[dull urchin]

wasn't the fernando chapter assigned to get the cold fusion for the commonwealth

[still vigil]

It was an open call I’m assuming but yes they received orders to find it

When they didn’t bring it back after 2 weeks they probably sent an envoy to check it out

[dull urchin]

yeah that's what I assume

[opal tiger]

Yeah this is what I mean. The meeting just happened the day before, then Xander shows up. And he says exactly what they discussed at the meeting. Lol

[dull urchin]

i think Xander was just sent to check up on the cold fusion and once he saw a meeting that the commonwealth wasn't invited to, he just made the assumption that they were plotting behind the commonwealths back

[twin kelp]

Where do you know this is it said?

[opal tiger]

This is confirmed in season 1

[twin kelp]

So this chapter we have with Quintas is the Fernando

[opal tiger]

That's why the Prydwen showed up. And why Quintus says that they got orders from the Commonwealth for the Bounty.

[twin kelp]

I didn’t know that I’m so dumb

[opal tiger]

Yeah, the Knights of San Fernando I'm p sure is their name.

[opal tiger]

It's possible. Idk. I just don't buy into Xander getting so many things correct without additional information or confirmation. But that's just me.

[twin kelp]

Hotdog

[dull urchin]

in s1 it's said that they received the order from the highest clerics of the commonwealth i believe

[twin kelp]

I watched the show 4 times I somehow missed this it sounds familiar tho

[wet igloo]

I didn't even realize this until I just saw a reel like 2 seconds ago. Was the last kings ghoul Lucy shot the king?

Yknow, white jacket and guitar. Hopefully it wasn't him but I know Todd hates new vegas

[wraith leaf]

There's no proof that Todd Howard hates New Vegas.

[wet igloo]

That's beside my question. Maybe he doesn't hate it but he certainly isn't fond of it

[high latch]

It was yes

[steady night]

Brother
Obsidian and Bethesda maintain the most cordial of relations to this day.
Obsidian devs were invited to see S2, which they liked, and Bethesda at the development of NV said Obsidian was their go to option or something to that effect IIRC
There's no bad blood between them. Stop with the narrative lol

The Metacritic story was also debunked by NV Obsidian devs btw so don't try to pull that out

[hasty olive]

On the stage =/= behind the curtains

[ripe nova]

So where is the prydwen currently

[tough viper]

jsawyer is the only key person left of the 2011 obsidian lineup. 99% of the people who worked on the game have left. also they said that before nv became the golden boy in the franchise.

[tender spindle]

Chilling in the commonwealth most likely.

[steady night]

The only questionable thing behind curtains is Chris Avellone brother.

I would not have any employees of mine touch him with a 10 foot pole

[steady night]

NV is the best of the franchise
The golden boy, however, is FO3

[tough viper]

lol, fo3 is the punching bag of the franchise

[steady night]

That's Brotherhood of Steel what are you on about

[hasty olive]

Sales of a game also do not indicate how much it is liked by the community fyi

[tough viper]

FO3 is the most rabidly shat on fallout game in the whole franchise by far lol

it basically created the whole "bethesda doesnt understand fallout" narrative.

that is still alive to this day

[steady night]

No but it is definitely the one that got the most people into the franchise

[steady night]

You not liking it dosen't mean everybody dosen't like it

[lusty ruin]

Fo3 was my first Fallout game but Fallout 4 got me into the franchise fully

[blissful iron]

Fallout 3 honestly isn't all that bad; my main beef with it's more with the main story than anything, but otherwise it's pretty good for what it is.

[steady night]

That makes FO3 your first exposure to Fallout then, right?

[tough viper]

me not liking it doesn't mean it's not the most widely shat on game in the franchise

[lusty ruin]

yea

[steady night]

Because it really isn't
Nobody talks about Brotherhood of Steel and that's for good reason

[tough viper]

also i didnt say i dindnt like it. i do in a weird way. just never bothered to finish a playthru in ages.

[tender spindle]

Tfw FO1 was your first fallout

[blissful iron]

But really, I'd be curious to eventually see the Capital Wasteland again after nearly twenty years under BoS control.

[tough viper]

that game is irrelevant.

[lusty ruin]

Then i played New Vegas, finished every quest in Fo1 and Fo2 and 76

yet if i say this on Fallout Twitter I'm a tourist

[steady night]

FO1 is fun but I can see the tediousness

[steady night]

It actually was the almost-killer of the whole thing

[tender spindle]

It’s a very good first time playthrough but not amazing for replays imo

[lusty ruin]

I have yet to play Tactics and BoS so maybe I am a fake fan

[tough viper]

nah, only if it had sold considerably better than it did maybe.

[steady night]

Brother
That game almost ended the franchise because of the fact it sold badly + it was a bad game

[lusty ruin]

Real Fallout fans only play a single Fallout game

[steady night]

Interplay Fallout at the end was a shitshow

[tough viper]

it selling badly was what made interplay have to sell. so the game selling badly wasn't a bad thing.

[lusty ruin]

I'm glad Bethesda bought Fallout

[steady night]

What is your reasoning?????

[tough viper]

either way, the game is irrelevant. bethesda ends up acquiring the license anyway.

the reasoning being that the game was shit, and it was never in a position to threaten taking the franchise to a new direction envisioned by the devs

[midnight cosmos]

If you aren’t 40+ and used GameFAQs on dial-up to solve puzzles you’re a tourist lol

[tender spindle]

True

[midnight cosmos]

Using walkthroughs actually also makes you a tourist I guess

I am the only True Fan of Fallout and everyone else is a tourist or a poser or something.

[steady night]

Not that long ago someone decided that tourist wasn't a harsh enough word so they took up to calling people

immigrants

-# people like that are the reason i'm considering leaving

[tender spindle]

I have my thoughts on it and House ending isn’t the likely one, imo @brazen eagle

I think if anything it’s a mix of a House/NCR ending

Assuming the second battle of Hoover Dam even happened

[brazen eagle]

Probably yeah

Courier helps the NCR yet leaves Vegas to Robby

[worthy monolith]

I present to you an example of “invincible ignorance fallacy”.

[steady night]

Creetosis really dosen't deserve any more attention. At all.
The less attention he gets the less we will see of him

[tender spindle]

I don’t have any opinions on Creetosis but I think taking the in-game depiction of Vegas too literally is kind of foolish

Very clearly an abstraction of what the developers intended

[steady night]

I totally agree I literally thought this much was agreed upon
Every game compresses the real life cities by a wide margin

[tender spindle]

If there being only one gate was relevant to the setting in some way, like dictating how factions interact with one another or affecting the locale in some major way, it would maybe be a decent critique

But as is it doesn’t really matter.

[brazen eagle]

Does this man know that cities change, especially if your in a post apocalyptic wasteland?

Also no one really complained when Novac got a pool

[worthy monolith]

People actually did. Guess who?

[brazen eagle]

Creetosis?

[worthy monolith]

Too specific

[tender spindle]

I can understand that one a bit more, would have preferred if Novac was more accurate to the games. The Dinky statue’s direction was important for the towns defense.

But at the same time it’s something I can’t really get too mad about

[brazen eagle]

Hmmm. Those people who act like New Vegas is the second coming of christ

(It has a big chunk of flaws)

[blissful iron]

Though it’d have been nice if we got to see Goodsprings instead of skipping straight to Novac.

[tender spindle]

I’m assuming they came to Novac via the long 15

Ik the show’s geography is different but assuming it’s trying to even somewhat match the games Goodsprings would be out of the way

[opal tiger]

If they didn't it wouldn't exist. Bethesda is doing better than interplay/black Isle is and all the devs at Black Isle will and have admitted it.

[opal tiger]

Yeah, folks like that are unhinged and aren't typically reasonable people.

[tender spindle]

But we missed out on Tactics 2 and BoS 2

[opal tiger]

They literally brought in New Vegas devs as consultants and used their opinions and suggestions for the set and setting. 💀 FNV fans never cease to amaze me on how ignorant they are.
Not directed at you btw

[robust dragon]

New Vegas is practically religious text to these people, even when a difference makes sense its sacrilege to deviate from holy "canon". Makes a lot of the reactions you see make more sense.

[blissful iron]

To be fair, it’s to be expected when someone’s been playing NV for potentially almost fifteen-sixteen years at this point.

[neon current]

like i feel like they could have been faithful to the source material, creating a scene around it, rather than it around a scene

couldve been something of rescuing The ghoul from the casino in primm, discovering the NCR camp, going to novac and killing or reasoning with raiders there. I feel like it sets the location pacing

NV isnt the best game ever made, but it set the bar high, and i feel like the show is giving a half heartedd appreciation for the material

[viral tree]

even in the official All Roads comic which is confirmed to be canon New Vegas looks entirely different, same case with the banner art for the game. I think the different interpretations are all fine and what really matters is the idea of what Vegas stands for being kept the same, which it is.

the only thing I'm sad about is we didnt get to see any of their journey from LA to the Mojave, I think seeing Lucy and the Ghoul travelling through the Hub and Mojave Outpost would've been a good way to give some exposition on the current state of the rest of NCR and some explanations of what exactly happened

[blissful iron]

Seeing how the Mojave’s turned out since NV beyond ‘lol, it’s gone to shit outside of Freeside’ would’ve been nice to see.

[tender spindle]

Yeah I think unfortunately they’re trying to make the NCR out as much more shattered than they really might be and make their return via the lost battalion a surprise

[viral tree]

although that being said it seems the Ghoul has an aversion to travelling along actual roads for some reason, maybe he just skipped the stops along the way and they just crossed the desert

[neon current]

I think what id disagree with is that in the credits, camp McCarran looked irradiated, if they did go to the south end, their gieger counter wouldve surely picked up on it

[tender spindle]

Raiders I’m assuming

Could be why they’re traveling off-road in S2. Want to avoid ambushes.

[opal tiger]

The credit key arts are not canon.

[viral tree]

eh I dont trust the credits. End credits of season 1 made the strip look liked it had been bombed but now its mostly intact except for the obvious

[opal tiger]

The showrunners have said this, this is something people keep getting wrong. The stuff we see in the credits are not hints and details at specific events, it's just art. Some stuff in the key arts even has Ai in it. It shouldn't be taken or treated as canon. The showrunners told us not to treat it as such cause it's just artwork.

[viral tree]

I wish they NCR was still properly around because I loved the shows depiction of Shady Sands pre-nuking it looked so good

[blissful iron]

Yeah, place looks basically intact if it wasn’t for the Deathclaws. Lights are 95% working, buildings look unchanged from NV, all that needs to be done is ice the damn Deathclaw and see about getting Securitrons back on guard duty somehow.

[viral tree]

honestly my theory is the strip was abandonded long before the deathclaw moved in. After all the NCR were houses primary customers and with them gone how else is he making money. Not to mention New Vegas was built in the first place as nothing but a political tool so House could keep some control over the Mojave while he waited for the Chip

[tender spindle]

Also while I get that the hope is that the NCR are re-organizing back home it is entirely possible the nation itself completely fell apart and places like the Hub are not officially “NCR” anymore. Todd has said that the NCR are not gone, but this could just be referring to remnants like the lost battalion and the soldiers we’ve seen so far.

[blissful iron]

Same, I’d have loved to see a Lucy flashback to her time in Shady Sands with her mom and Norm.

[viral tree]

I was kinda sad they didnt include the adobe building style but its probably just that they have had time to develop in the 40 years since fallout 2.

[tender spindle]

They competed removed the Adobe buildings from Shady that were there in FO2

[blissful iron]

And heck, let us see the how of her and Norm getting kidnapped back to 33 by Hank.

[opal tiger]

Just them moving away from interplay's post-post apocalyptic vision, I think. But I do agree.

[tender spindle]

It’s basically just an entirely different city atp

[viral tree]

at the time of New Vegas the NCr had a level of technology similar to that of early 1900s america so it makes sense that the style of their architecture roughly matches that

in fallout 1 shady sands was clay huts because they were just a group of people living off the land in the desert. Fallout 2 was imbetween that still with the adobe style but actual roads and street lights and a few brick buildings

[opal tiger]

I agree. I think atp of FNV Bethesda was somewhat unsure of what they envisioned for the West Wasteland. I think now though, it's a different story given a bunch of creative decisions just point to them shifting things to be more post-apocalyptic rather than post-post apocalyptic as described perhaps?

[tender spindle]

Most of the residences look to be downgraded compared to what we see in FO2. The city being in the midst of LA’s destroyed infrastructure (another retcon) doesn’t help.

[blissful iron]

Especially since Fallout 2 displayed Shady Sands having actual perimeter security worth a damn.

[tender spindle]

Even if the city encompasses multiple infrastructural styles I don’t see why they would raze the city’s core, which was already well developed with Adobe style buildings.

You’d see remnants of that somewhere

[viral tree]

tbf the actual look is so up to anyone interpretation. The art style of some of the buildings in 1 and 2 were kinda odd and generic, espeically in other towns like New Reno and Hub, it was always just a bunch of non descript brick and concrete building floors. My headcanon was that most of the cities presented like that kinda are meant to look like how Freeside does.

[opal tiger]

Which cities used the GECK? The only big retcon I remember distinctly is the GECKs being changed to a 1 time use device. I can't remember which old cities from fo1 or fo2 used the GECKs to rebuild.

[viral tree]

we also have no idea what the "fall of shady sands" was yet. It could be that shady sands fell once before in a less violent manner than it being nuked and was rebuilt closer to their industry in the Boneyard, which would explain both the change in architecture and the setting, and their lower population and lax security being in the heart of their territory and in the process of rebuilding

[viral tree]

I think Shady Sands and Vault City were the only ones to use a GECK

[opal tiger]

People are saying the fall is the bombing, but could also mean the political fall of SS but the issue is the timeline tbh idk which would be more accurate

[viral tree]

Bethesda confirmed the bombing happened in 2283 I think. So the fall is something else entirely

[opal tiger]

Those cities are the only ones I can see being altered due to the GECK retcons in lore.

[tender spindle]

The sign saying that SS we see in the show was the first capitol makes this unlikely to me, unless its just an honorary thing.

[viral tree]

what were the retcons around the GECK? i wasnt aware of that I assumed it was always a 1 time use thing

[blissful iron]

And didn’t NV say that Shady Sands was still the NCR capital circa 2281? How the hell do you move a nation’s capital in two years?

[tender spindle]

You can try to cope around this by saying they were referring to the Boneyards Shady Sands since the game isn’t specific about it, but I do find this unlikely yeah.

[opal tiger]

Apparently they were allowed to be used more than once before? There was a discussion a few days ago in here over it. I was under the same impression as you have now, but was told it was wrong. They used to operate like devices that held schematics, guides, information, tips of architecture and infrastructure etc etc.

[viral tree]

if it fell in 2277 that gives them 4 years. 30,000 homeless refugees can do a lot in that time, especially since most the the buildings in Boneyard Shady Sands looked pre war

[opal tiger]

Idk, I think the sign does imply that they moved it. But i feel like it was moved for the sake of the narrative, or whatever the 'fall of Shady sands' is, is maybe when the NCR starting getting things setup for the move and didn't finalize it until later.

[tender spindle]

But regardless I don’t really know what could’ve happened to cause a collapse so bad that they were forced to move their entire capital.

NV doesn’t remotely hint to anything this catastrophic happening

[blissful iron]

Even four years doesn’t feel like enough time; you’d need to move all the important government offices, infrastructure, employees, etc.

And the NCR is notoriously bureaucratic, that shit’s gonna get logjammed.

[viral tree]

tbf in the flashback in ep2 Max's dad does say "we were just getting started", and had supposedly only just broken through to vault 33s water supply

[tender spindle]

Some people have said Shady’s location in 1/2 would make it borderline inhospitable but its growth between 1-2 kind of contradicts that anyways.

[blissful iron]

Which does feel weird if it is supposed to be the OG Shady Sands and not the one that was potentially raised like an Amish barn in such a short timeframe.

[sharp iris]

So there is more than one airship...

[opal tiger]

Yes, there was 4. One for each chapter present at the meeting.

[tender spindle]

I can only think it’s the result of a recent water supply issue maybe. Show alludes to the water problems they were having in NV.

[viral tree]

the boneyard does make so much more sense than where it is in 1 and 2 practically. It has rail links which we know the NCR used, it has actual road connections, industry from Adytum and the Gun Runners and is as far in to NCR territory as you can get rather than being close to the border like Shady Sands. The only issue is that it makes no sense when taking in to consideration the lore of 1 and 2

as opposed to Shady Sands which is in the middle of death valley with no roads, railways or water sources really

[opal tiger]

It depends I think Kimball would've lost his seat due to the campaign failing, so it's possible someone else took over and immediately got shit going. Until we have more details on the events it's hard to know for certain.

[tender spindle]

Yeah I mean I never considered Shady’s value to be in its industrial or agricultural output (though by wasteland standards the latter may have been decent. They got by in 1). It’s a cultural and political hub.

But the water thing is my leading theory for now.

[viral tree]

yeah i agree

[blissful iron]

Really, all of this could’ve been sidestepped if Hank nuked the Boneyard instead; place is still home to the Republic Reserve if memory serves from NV, if nothing else.

[viral tree]

literally no matter what explanation you go with it requires tonnes of side stepping, hell even the story the show goes with does so who knows at this point

[tender spindle]

Yeah the Boneyard was massively important. Home to the NCR and Followers best universities, had a significant population, had some significant infrastructure to build upon. Also HQ of the Gun Runners.

[viral tree]

its kinda the only thing i genuinely dont like about the show its the entire Shady Sands situation, everything else is good or like a minor issue

[sharp iris]

It sucks that Fallout has helicopters and airships in the series but no cars.

[opal tiger]

I'm still not even convinced the Faction thing was a primary objective for Hank tbh. I think it was secondary. I really do think he was just emotional over Rose. Cause if Rose never left, it wouldn't have happened in the first place(not blaming her I would've left too) but Rose leaving with the kids had him believe he had to nuke the NCR.

[blissful iron]

Still would cause sufficient economic disruption to the NCR, though admittedly it’s unclear how rebuilt the Boneyard was; doubt we could’ve had that idyllic city scene with Max’s family in the Boneyard of all places.

[viral tree]

have you seen the roads in game, aint no cars driving along those

maybe the big trucks the brotherhood had in tactics could survive

[opal tiger]

"But Cars can drive on dirt roads!"

[tender spindle]

Lol yeah, Boneyard in NV is kind of portrayed as a shithole going off of dialogue.

Caesar and that former drug fiend in Camp Golf being the sources I remember

[blissful iron]

And if it was to keep Rose from leading the NCR straight back to 33, what was the hold up on pulling the trigger depending on how long Rose was in Shady with Lucy and Norm?

[viral tree]

they still had raider and gang problems well into the 2200s

[sharp iris]

Are you saying that a car can't get through on those roads?

[viral tree]

it seems like any typical industrial centre shithole

[viral tree]

well they could in theory but theres so many derelict cars in the way and the tarmac is ruined. Not to mention the scarcity of replacement parts and fuel

[sharp iris]

Ok

[opal tiger]

No I don't think that had anything to do with it. I genuinely think Hank just grew emotional and snapped, or got scared. Idk. None of it justified but I don't think he thought it through tbh. Not in the way that he thought about it long term - cause he says, "Rose stopped being your Mother when she left." So when she left he saw her as a threat, it wasn't before that fact. It was just because she did leave. Cause I believe he says Rose was talking about what life was like outside prior to leaving, which he seemed okay with until she actually left.

Like he thought it through in the sense of planning the attack, but not afterwards. Or already was confident that the NCR wouldn't find him.

[viral tree]

we know so little about hank pre war so its kinda hard to assess what his motivations really were

like the other buds buds we see i doubt would ever do that or even have to knowledge and skill to be able to, but i think hank was defnitely more than just a buds bud.

[tough sentinel]

I half wonder if he was coerced into Nuking Shady Sands

Enclave told him they were going to destroy 33, 32, and 31 if he didn't

[opal tiger]

It's possible.

[viral tree]

vault tec is basically just a front for the enclave anyway, i woudlnt be surpised

[blissful iron]

Though, let’s say Max’s dad did manage to defuse that bomb anyway and the failsafe either wasn’t a problem or got disarmed too; how would the NCR even know where to start on following the trail? They’d have some funky piece of equipment on a guy’s neck, and a nuke; not exactly something one could Sherlock Holmes something.

[opal tiger]

They wouldn't. I think that's more so the point. They couldn't trace it back to Hank if they wanted to. But that would be a whole different situation cause Rose may have been able to shed some insight along with Moldaver.

[blissful iron]

Especially if the Lucy/Norm kidnapping still went off without a hitch.

[opal tiger]

I'm assuming, btw I don't know. Moldaver seemed to figure it out, but it's not explained how she did it either. We only know how she got into the Vault, not how she tracked Hank.

[tough sentinel]

Nor do we know how she's so well preserved

[opal tiger]

Yeah.

[blissful iron]

Though, let’s say the NCR somehow managed to detective their way into A. Discovering Hank was behind the attempted nuking of Shady Sands in this scenario, and B. Found Vault 33 through some means. How would the NCR expect to bust into 33? A variant of Moldaver’s canon plan but with Rangers LARP’ing as 32 Dwellers?

[opal tiger]

They would need the pipboy.

Same way as Moldaver did, I imagine just not with fucking raiders.

[tough sentinel]

NCR would have a few of them in a museum at least

[viral tree]

supposedly shes been around in the NCR for quite a while, in one of the credits theres a book authored by her written in 2189. Although again that could be non canon

[opal tiger]

Or plotting Lucy's rape, hopefully. That shit was unhinged on Moldaver's part.

[blissful iron]

Don’t suppose the NCR could just blow open the Vault door?

[tender spindle]

They probably could if raiders and the Master can

[tough sentinel]

Got a hold of the Cabbot house serum lmao

[tender spindle]

But the pipboy option is a lot more accessible anyways. They’re not that rare

[viral tree]

my theory is Moldaver is a ghoul with no scarring. We know pre-war some people were experimenting with that, but mostly unsucessfully.

but with her being a scientist maybe she made it work, which would also explaiun how she survived the bombing of shady sands while rose was turned into a ghoul

[blissful iron]

Could even be some internal cybernetic augmentation which slowed her aging, though admittedly I’m not sure what the state of pre-War cybernetics was.

[viral tree]

i think that was just on the raiders she hired. She only brought a few of her actual soldiers with her and the rest were just an expendeble gang because she knew some would die and get captured

[viral tree]

yeah could be something like Kellogg had

[tender spindle]

She is shown visibly aging somewhat so I’d probably bet it was cybernetics if she wasn’t in cryo yeah

[blissful iron]

Though if the sum total of aging is like 5-10 physical years over 200+ chronological, I’d say that’s a fair trade.

[high latch]

Think we'll see Cooper's early apocalypse sequence this season?

[tough sentinel]

Imho, no

[opal tiger]

I actually just realized, too - Moldaver must've known Hank pre-war. Given how much she knew of him? Hank met Rose in the Vault, as far as we know, Rose wasn't part of Bud's buds.

[urban mulch]

have they explained how moldaver survived 200 years? probably cryo?

[opal tiger]

No, it's probably cryo though that isn't vault tec, or maybe it is idk

[worthy monolith]

I have a crackpot theory, but a theory nonetheless. Fallout 5 is going to be a soft reboot. A clean slate on the west coast. And here's why.

[opal tiger]

idk if Vault tec was aware of her deception yet

[opal tiger]

I would agree with you, surprisingly. lol

[urban mulch]

we need a fallout in texas somewhere new

[tender spindle]

Fallout Brotherhood of Steel sitting in the corner:

[worthy monolith]

The NCR. On its deathbed. The Legion. Scattered like rats. New Vegas. Destroyed. There are no signs of properly progressing civilization, everyone has the IQ of a Dark Age peasant for some reason. All the factions that used to live from Cali to Nevada? All but completely wiped out.

[tender spindle]

I don’t think we’ll see the NCR completely wiped away but their influence will be drastically reduced yeah. Way to level the playing field.

[worthy monolith]

So what does this mean, exactly? It means what we're getting is nothing from the original games. We're getting almost no references to the original games. Maybe at best, some veterans from the NCR and Legion and some remnants.

But, something I noticed is that most of the former big factions are viewed by wastelanders as clowns. Fools for holding onto their ideology. Being told to move on.

The NCR and Legion are relics now, meant to represent that civilization on the West Coast is dead.

So why is Bethesda doing this? Money. By erasing the former identity of Interplay/Obsidian's older games, they can create an entirely new game on the West Coast with their own lore. So they can make it whatever they choose without having to worry about silly shit like "how would it change the order there?" Simple. The solution is have everything fucking die, and nothing is left.

[opal tiger]

Their territory has vastly shrunk, giving way for other, or new factions to fill the vacuum in the territory.

[worthy monolith]

Those are my Fallout Revelations summed up. TL;DR: Bethesda doesn't want to give a shit about what Obsidian or Black Isle made, they want it to be their world, so everything is being wiped out.

[fresh shoal]

As soon as I noticed the Dinky the T Rex statue was facing the opposite direction, my fists clenched in rage. When I saw they had added a pool to Novac, I let out an ear splitting shriek of dismay. My life has been permanently damaged by these crude alterations and I have a lawsuit in progress against the show’s creators

[worthy monolith]

Thoughts?

[high latch]

Ehh not really

[fresh shoal]

Todd Howard is an evil blood drinking communist

[worthy monolith]

Like I said, wiping the slate clean.

[high latch]

I don't see why Bethesda would be fueled by vitriolic hatred of what NV is, they just don't really have the same vision as the original writers did

[worthy monolith]

I didn't say they hate NV. They just don't give a fuck about it.

They don't give a fuck about what it built up, they just want their own West Coast.

[opal tiger]

I don't think it's that they don't give a fuck about FNV, Bethesda is uninterested in post-post apocalyptic stuff.

So if they touch FNV, they're gonna make it more post apocalyptic, rather than post-post apocalyptic.

[urban mulch]

if dinky is facing the other way then boone probably sniped that old woman while she was in the lobby

[tender spindle]

Yes we should sue them together

[worthy monolith]

That's why everyone in the show, despite many clearly being ex-NCR citizens, being r-worded as fuck.

[urban mulch]

radiated?

[worthy monolith]

Along with everyone in Fallout 3 and 4.

[high latch]

Ex NCR citizens means they haven't been in the NCR for over a decade

The state of the wasteland in California from what we've seen is pretty consistent with other games and areas, and makes a fair bit of sense given how recently everything collapsed again

[worthy monolith]

Bethesda doesn't give a fuck if the NCR shouldn't have collapsed from a single damn nuke on a single city, they just wanted it GONE.

[high latch]

The brotherhood seemingly surged after shady sands fell

There are things they haven't filled in the gaps for but that doesn't mean they haven't put thought into this

[worthy monolith]

Bethesda doesn't give a fuck about the Hub, Junktown, New Arroyo, or Vault City. They'll just say they "fell" offscreen.

[high latch]

"new arroyo"?

[worthy monolith]

Yes, because the old one got destroyed in FO2 IIRC

[high latch]

Vault city is also way too far south to be relevant, in fact so is arroyo for that matter

Season 1 is set near LA, at best they might have been able to squeeze the gun runners or something in

[worthy monolith]

In one of the final slides of FO2, it becomes a full blown city with concrete streets, clean water, and massive buildings.

[high latch]

In any case they'd need to trek across the entire state to reach it from season 1's location

[worthy monolith]

So does anyone else think the NCR is REALLY alive?

[urban mulch]

theyre underground like a new enclave

[high latch]

I doubt it

[worthy monolith]

I will give the writers a benefit of doubt. Maybe they did remember that the NCR is present up North.

[high latch]

Most likely imo is that the NCR at this point is broken into regional factions like moldaver's cell

They can't fight the brotherhood where the brotherhood is and only some of the communities in the north could've managed to get a grasp of the situation

Maybe vault city is intact but if vault city is the heart of the Republic at this point the NCR isn't the faction it was any more

[worthy monolith]

NCR bros, I think it's joever

[tender spindle]

It’s so joever

[worthy monolith]

@steady night

[tender spindle]

But if the Shi are the next big thing it’ll be worth it

[high latch]

Then again maybe they're trying to set up freeside as the nursery of a new NCR-adjacent group

[worthy monolith]

I'll become a full-time Enclave member once it's confirmed the other cities fell

[high latch]

We'll need to see the next episode to know about that though

[tender spindle]

Shi Empire-Arroyo Empire-Western BoS triad

[opal tiger]

i'm expecting to see a big Shi and Khan presence possibly if it's in San Fran.

[tender spindle]

Not the Khans

[high latch]

Fake Mongols fighting actual Chinese people

Sounds like a west coast fallout game alright

[worthy monolith]

No the Republic can't be dead no it can't be

I feel like Scar from Stalker 2 in that one scene

"ONLY THE ENEMY CLAIMS THERE IS NO MORE OF THE BEAR LEFT!"

[urban mulch]

surely the NCR is just staying tf away from the ghoul and the girl

[high latch]

We still haven't seen the rangers in combat yet so there is still hope for the NCR to get fanservice

[tender spindle]

People are coping about this but yeah I’m pretty sure the official remnants are just gonna be that lost battalion and maybe some other ragtag groups out west

[opal tiger]

I'm glad you saw my thought process, lol

[worthy monolith]

I'VE LOST MY FUCKING HEAD FOR THIS CAUSE!!!!!

[tender spindle]

We are not getting NCR 2.0: Electric Boogaloo me thinks

[high latch]

I hope that there is an NCR successor state near vault city because that would be an awesome writing opportunity

[urban mulch]

new vegas republic

[tender spindle]

Arroyo Empire on top

[worthy monolith]

I'M GONNA FUCKING CRASH OUT AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

[opal tiger]

the NCR coming back like the phoenix like they are from the ashes, HOPEFULLY NOT MAKING THE SAME MISTAKES AS THEY DID BEFORE.

[worthy monolith]

IT'S SO FUCKING OVER

[high latch]

Adamantly xenophobic borderline slavers under the banner of the bear would be awesome given their history now

[tough sentinel]

Man I love Scar but all I could think when considering his ending is this one line from Aldia in Best Souls 2

"No matter how sweet or how exquisite, A LIE WILL REMAIN A LIE"

[tender spindle]

The Shady Sands incident spurring on a new wave of xenophobia would be interesting!

[high latch]

I was thinking less glorious redemption and more 'oh great it's worse now'

[opal tiger]

imagine they blame ghouls and the COA.

[tender spindle]

With the information blackout post-nuke there would be a lot of pointing fingers I’d imagine

[opal tiger]

Shady Sands turns into a holy site for the COA.

[worthy monolith]

I don't know what the fuck I'm supposed to do now, the Hub is gone, Junktown is gone, everyone's fucking dead

[urban mulch]

ncr is still alive i have hope

[high latch]

You're supposed to sit in the divide and enjoy the dedication to making really cool outfits the costume design team has shown

[tender spindle]

Sir! a second nuke went off in Junktown!!!

[worthy monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-endgame-avengers-gone-ashes-gif-14019029

[tough sentinel]

No difference has been noticed by residents 🥁

[high latch]

When in doubt go to the divide and nuke whatever faction still has a capital

[worthy monolith]

How I feel as an NCR fan rn.

[tender spindle]

Gizmos fine establishment will be missed tho

[urban mulch]

if the NCR can beat legion and brotherhood they can beat the tv show

[high latch]

They can't beat the brotherhood any more lol

[worthy monolith]

Guys I think

Guys I think I HATE Todd Howard. HATE. HATE.

[tender spindle]

It’s not going to happen but I’ll almost accept the NCR getting atomized if the BoS goes down with em

[urban mulch]

the brotherhood will eat itself and the NCR will come out on top

[high latch]

Todd Howard whispering into Hank's ear that he should totally nuke shady sands over a custody dispute

[blissful iron]

Fellas didn’t survive all that bullshit just to get destroyed by some pre-War middle-manager angry that the wife took the kids.

[worthy monolith]

I'll accept that the NCR is gone, but only if the Legion goes down too.

[high latch]

I think the legion is gonna go down

[tender spindle]

Legion are fucked dude

[worthy monolith]

I need to see those fuckers burn alive.

[high latch]

I'm expecting the ghoul will have a season 1-esque fight sequence with them

[tender spindle]

They’re a complete joke and are 100% getting roflstomped in the finale

[worthy monolith]

I need to see them all suffer for everything.

[high latch]

Oh speaking of, the fight sequences in this season have been a bit more messy

[worthy monolith]

If I can't have a beautiful civilization, they can't even be allowed to exist.

[high latch]

The pacing is weirder and less fluid than season 1 I've noticed

[tender spindle]

Yes true

None of the fight scenes have been particularly good so far. Radscorpion fight was okay, I guess.

[worthy monolith]

I don't even care if the Brotherhood doing the job, I just want the Legion GONE.

[worthy monolith]

I'm still curious to see how that Deathclaw fight will go.

[opal tiger]

it's gonna be straight hands.

[high latch]

The pre war bit with the Chinese soldiers wasn't too bad but that's only because of the situation I think

[tender spindle]

Tbh I didn’t even consider that much of a fight scene but yeah that was good

[urban mulch]

gonna make a new show where the NCR looks like this

[blissful iron]

I’d settle for the Brotherhood getting the fuck out of the West Coast. East Coast and even the Midwest is a wide open sandbox, go and play over there dammit.

[high latch]

Vault city 3 years after shady sands

[tender spindle]

This is the good House ending

[worthy monolith]

I'm crying internally wtf

I'm gonna pretend the NCR is still alive offscreen fuck it.

[high latch]

Yeah that's fair

Until they show us every inch of California we can assume the NCR is still fineish

[opal tiger]

you're a triple agent, you still got 2 more factions that are alive.

[blissful iron]

Or we just see Arroyo with the NCR flag flying high.

[tender spindle]

Arroyo independence >>>>

[high latch]

Y'know what I'll take the NCR going down if the followers of the apocalypse are still around

[tender spindle]

The Chosen One will rise again

[high latch]

The followers seem to have a good record with state building

[worthy monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-mcu-exhale-thanos-infinity-stone-gif-16660976

[opal tiger]

They'd have to be, the Followers are super spread out, I can't imagine they're gone.

[tender spindle]

If you count the Khans and Legion yes

[high latch]

Okay, well, yeah

[blissful iron]

Just have to keep the Sallow types away from anything Roman in the future.

[high latch]

But they've probably succeeded in doing good things too :(

[opal tiger]

Also if the Khan ending is canon based on the map, and the legion saying they're at War - they probably helped the Khans bounce back.

[high latch]

Probably, I am a bit curious why they'd meet up with the followers of the apocalypse and coordinate

Do they have a long standing history or something

[opal tiger]

I dunno, it's kinda vague in their ending. I don't recall the Followers and Khans having a deep relationship.

[tender spindle]

Followers helped the Khans to survive in the past so the Khans respect them

[opal tiger]

Ah okay, that makes sense then for their ending.

[tender spindle]

They taught them to make chems which kept them afloat after bittersprings

[urban mulch]

maybe the NCR cleaned up sierra madre and all live there now

[tender spindle]

The NCR will raid the sierra madre vault and replenish their gold reserves

[high latch]

What they just blew the cloud away with big fans

[urban mulch]

they used cazadores to flap the toxic cloud away

[high latch]

Elijah would flip his shit if the NCR arrived and opened the vault with him inside

Assuming he lasted that is

[tender spindle]

Yeah Elijah could definitely last 15 years in a Vault

Scratch that 17

[high latch]

Anywhere from 17 to 13 I don't remember the specific difference

Show is in '96 right?

[tender spindle]

Yes

[high latch]

Yeah then it'd be 15-13

[urban mulch]

and then they pop his head clean off for the republic

[opal tiger]

Let's be real, if the NCR figured out Hank did it, there wouldn't be a show - or if there was, it'd be vastly different. They'd probably send or hire some of the best they could to track him down if they knew.

[blissful iron]

Though it’d certainly be entertaining to have the NCR stretch Hank’s neck on a noose.

[opal tiger]

They'd make it a spectacle, as they should for the fucker that murdered all those people.

[blissful iron]

Might as well take notes from the Legion on that front just this once.

[opal tiger]

Yep, the NCR lacks deterrences to keep people from doing shit.

[tender spindle]

Unless you’re the misfits

You are getting HANGED

[signal pelican]

I personally hated the idea of the enclave making deathclaws im sorry but the story feels like its everywhere now.

[opal tiger]

WestTek technically made them at the behest of pre-war Enclave for the war, I believe.
I don't think the Enclave experimented with them post-war until FO2, then FO3.

[signal pelican]

So after Anchorage?

[opal tiger]

Yes, but they are and always have been pre-war creations.

they were intended to be used on the Frontlines.

[signal pelican]

I liked the idea of it being a result from the war itself

[opal tiger]

They never were, though.

[signal pelican]

God dammit just give me new vegas 2 please obsidian P L E A S E

[signal pelican]

No i understand that was my perception when I first played before i knew the lore

Cause they are chameleons

[opal tiger]

O , my mistake. carry on, lol
Yeah you're right they're created via FEV Jackson chameleons iirc.

[signal pelican]

No issue I do want to know more of what hank is planing and all that but i guess we have 4 more episodes

[opal tiger]

Idk if we'll even find out, i actually think the clue/hint will be in the finale, the confrontation between Lucy and Hank + maybe norm's group? They name dropped FEV, too

[opal tiger]

so I'm wondering how it's gonna play out. Whoever hank is working for or what his plans are, is probably gonna lead into Season 3

[signal pelican]

I Mean i know its mind control and submission but why even....just to be a king

Like they arent going to washington or boston

[green cargo]

Ok here me out
This is absolutely a long shot and is nothing but speculation
What if the enclave infiltrated the brotherhood

[signal pelican]

No shot

[green cargo]

Probably not, but it's fun to think about still

[green cargo]

The line between enclave and BoS is getting blurry atp

[signal pelican]

I would assume enclave would kill all of them before staying in their ranks

[opal tiger]

Not to be king, but I'm thinking it's orders from elsewhere.

If Hank worked for Barb, Barb 100% had a boss, or someone she answered to in S1. We only saw a glimpse of them.

[signal pelican]

Maybe a continuation of the plan possibly but like I would think logic would kick in before gotta make sure boss is happy

[signal pelican]

Eh i think they fucked up BOS west

[opal tiger]

Probably not for Hank, which is why those Bud's Buds were selected, Steph is the same you notice - logic out the window.

Betty is the only outlier so far.

[signal pelican]

But now Betty is canadian

Which H o w did she get in the vault

[opal tiger]

Steph is Canadian, and the gal mentioned it to Norm. They were hired one week before the bombs dropped. I imagine that's why Steph's ID is a temp. But that plot is the more interesting one, according to interviews. The next 2 episodes will tell us a lot about it.

[signal pelican]

Geopoliticaly didnt us annex canada?

Or am i thinking wrong

[opal tiger]

No you're correct, which is how Steph probably came over. Vault Tec probably worked with Bud to find potential candidates for their plan, Steph was one of them. Makes me wonder if Hank is Canandian too, but idk. He might not be - he seemed solidified at Vault Tec pre-war.

[open rampart]

And I don’t like it.

Fallout 4 did it best, where the BoS weren’t Shoot on sight with every Non-human, just dickheads to them

Genuinely curious as to how this show is gonna differentiate the enclave from the BoS

[opal tiger]

Enclave is going to be way more patriotic and purist, I imagine.

[signal pelican]

Uh....pretty sure BOS were always like this

The enclave havent even been mentioned atm

[open rampart]

No

[opal tiger]

In season 1, im pretty confident at least twice - 100% on them being mentioned. The information they gave on the Enclave research facility is pretty interesting.

[signal pelican]

See i want more of that and I meant they haven't been mentioned in season 2

[opal tiger]

Yeah, i think it's eluding to them being the big bad tbh.
It'll be super difficult for them not to, and be kinda bad if they don't.

[signal pelican]

I mean the enclave is a main point in the game but the government of NCR vs Legion vs tribal groups is also a hugeeeeeeeee amazing story that has so many questions

[open rampart]

I don’t think that’s enough tbh.

All the Non-gamer fans of the Show are gonna see a recolored BoS.

And they’re going to be accused of recycling Villains for it

[opal tiger]

It'll depend on the execution, I think it will be.
The Brotherhood, at least in the show so far - came across as religious, not a government entity.
I think if the show portrays the Enclave as a shadowy organization, overtly patriotic, purist - with extreme tendency to experiment and expand with science with zero qualms about the wasteland other than to wipe it clean. I think it'll work out fine.

The Brotherhood just seemed very religious paramilitary in the show. The enclave just has to counter balance it by avoiding those.

[green cargo]

It would be really funny if the enclave came out as the winner in a game

My brain is kinda fried rn, but I would fuck with a reformist Enclave

But that's just hoi4 talking

[open rampart]

True, it does come down to execution.

I think portraying the BoS in Some positive light for the show would’ve made it a bit easier tho

[opal tiger]

IF they move locations, we can only hope the next Chapter they encounter, isn't Quintus. Lol

[tough viper]

was talking to someone and they said if NCR was alive how come cooper+lucy didn't run thru any NCR settlements on their way from boneyard to mojave and I assume it's because cooper was just lying to the NCR. thoughts?

[open rampart]

Yeah that’s what @broken swallow said

But someone else said Hank could’ve avoided heavy NCR areas. Lucy & the ghoul were following his footsteps

[fresh crown]

Fuck i thought today was Wednesday already and was getting ready to go home and watch the latest ep

[lilac drum]

It is not wednesday

[fresh crown]

Unfortunately

[lilac drum]

I need a cup of tea

[sinful oasis]

Episodes tomorrow right? Hope we get to see that bridge scene this time

[lilac drum]

Episode is indeed tommrow

[sinful oasis]

Hoping to see more brotherhood civil war and that bridge scene from the set photo leaks

[midnight cosmos]

Wow yeah fuck those losers

Also, run the Enclave as basically a bunch of Homelander-types. Paranoid and secretive and insecure, claiming to uphold American ideals, but ultimately self-serving.

Or as an exaggerated satire of Cold War US foreign policy. “We had to destroy the Vault to save it” etc.

This will, of course, lead to complaints that the show is Woke.

[twin kelp]

Yes

[brazen eagle]

Like I get the story is good but the combat is average and it crashes a lot

[twin kelp]

20 and 1 min till new episode

Who’s hyped Im gonna wake up at 3 am again to watch

But I need to restrain myself from checking this chat

[vast wasp]

Deathclaw time

https://tenor.com/view/fallout4-deathclaw-attack-grabbing-smash-to-ground-deathclaw-gif-17960483

Wounder whats gonna happen

[fresh crown]

the weapon and ammo vareity was smthn that i greatly enjoyed there

hoping if they do a remaster or remake whatever, that variety will be kept in

[twin kelp]

Lucy gonna get injured I’m calling it

[brazen eagle]

If they do a Halo style remaster it's gonna be lit

[vast wasp]

Lucy: I think we can take him

[shrewd juniper]

plot twist, this is how lucy dies. Overconfident and addicted to buffout

[brazen eagle]

Thats just every F4 player's death before they get enough caps to spend on stims

[twin kelp]

Nah the power armor is op

This how every pro NV player dies while trying to reach a safe house

I do like the fallout 4 power armor

I hope Maximus shits on the deathclaw with his armor

[brazen eagle]

As I was going to say, the new power armor system and settlements are top 5 fallout mechanics

[vast wasp]

I hope settlement returns but isent the main game focus

[twin kelp]

Yes I love the new power armor makes me actually feel like I’m in power armor

[fresh crown]

it'll probably be a team effort, Max will likely keep it occupied and then Lucy and the Ghoul shoot it in the soft spots

[brazen eagle]

Not really, at lower levels you'll probably not be wearing it often to conserve fusion cores or using materials to build rather than constant repairs

[gleaming venture]

For f05?

[twin kelp]

I also hope I can get raided by tougher opponents

[vast wasp]

Yeah

[shrewd juniper]

Alright you nay sayer @uncut tinsel , do you think they'll make it so this is the first time her attempts to de-escalate work?

[brazen eagle]

Considering how popular it is there is no way it ISN'T coming back

[uncut tinsel]

running away is a very effective deescalation tactic

[gleaming venture]

I’m hoping that yeah it isn’t a focus for the story or anything but expands more into being more relevant to all/most factions since in 4 it’s pretty much only relevant to the minuteman & dlc raider factions, I’m mainly hoping we can assign settlements to any or most of the factions were able to join in f05

[shrewd juniper]

Because I'd be all for this joke to be in the show. Of all the times and people she's tried to reason with a wild animal is the first to actually agree.

[vast wasp]

What if the legiate guy in the show is vuples but using his card art

[brazen eagle]

Man I just want BoS knights walking around Sanctuary

[shrewd juniper]

can't be, too intelligent

[opal tiger]

Yeah I'm convinced Lucy will be down dealing with Hank, and Max, Coop, And maybe the Super Mutants? If the trailer is correct, help out. Because there is multiple. I imagine they're gonna need to try and overpower the deathclaw with numbers or firepower or something.

[vast wasp]

Non of the legion are tho

[twin kelp]

I HOPE THEY SEE MEANSONOFABITCH

THE GOATTTTTTTTTTŤ or Marcus too ig

Maybe Raul? Since his VA is in the show that would be cool too

[vast wasp]

His va is in the show?

[twin kelp]

Yes

[still vigil]

Acording to who?

[shrewd juniper]

that's a spoiler for the future if true

[fresh crown]

can that be confirmed?

[twin kelp]

Unless I’ve been lied too

[opal tiger]

I think you've been lied to. Lol

[fresh crown]

im gonna sound like a redditor but, sources?

[twin kelp]

I think I’ve been deceived

[still vigil]

I don’t think we have any confirmation that Danny is working with fallout

He just likes the universe since the fans are nice to him

I think he did say he didn’t even remember doing fnv

[twin kelp]

I’ve been deceived

[fresh crown]

i recall one fan said he met Danny at a con or something and the guy legit could not remember voicing raul

[high latch]

Rare example of positive community interactions

[opal tiger]

Yeah his last news that was Fallout related was him asking them to remaster FNV.

[vast wasp]

Yeah he said he forgot

[still vigil]

So did Ron Perlman

[twin kelp]

Why do others give false hope

[still vigil]

Voice acting literally takes these guys like a day for a full character sometimes

[high latch]

That's really perplexing how does one forget doing voice acting for a game

[twin kelp]

Maybe well see Marcus this episode

[gleaming venture]

Y’all think any show characters will actually appear in f05, & if so who?

[still vigil]

It’s hard to remember every day you spent at work

[fresh crown]

man i only remembered Walton Goggins last as the guy that played the prisoner in the 2010 Predators film

[high latch]

If anybody I'd expect norm to pop up somewhere

[twin kelp]

If we see a super mutant that we know this episode I will be so happy

[gleaming venture]

Assuming he ends up towards where the game is set then yeah probs

[twin kelp]

If we see anyone we know ill be happy any character at all

[still vigil]

Raul has like 200 lines or something that could be done it 2 days tops

[gaunt elm]

We still haven’t found out who that deep voice in the trailer is

[opal tiger]

I'd expect our 3 protagonists to have some sort of relation to the narrative in FO5 or be a part of it in some way.

[twin kelp]

It better be a super mutant

[high latch]

Thinking it'll be bud's ex assistant
Or in a dark timeline norm

[gleaming venture]

Pretty sure someone did state the show will sorta help shape f05 as the events of the show will have happened by the time of when the games set

[still vigil]

Well they are involved with the civil war right?

What does the voice say again

[vast wasp]

They said s3 will help shape the events of f5 so

[still vigil]

….. Your gonna need friends

[high latch]

Whether this means the show will be a literal prologue or just a preceding event in the timeline remains to be seen

[gleaming venture]

My guess is if the bos shows up in f05 then depending on the state they’re in by the end of the show & whos still in it by the shows end, Dane might show up in f05

[fresh crown]

-theres a war coming

[high latch]

That's probably just generic war war

[fresh crown]

very likely its gonna be a super mutant, they're like the 2nd most iconic creature after deathclaws

[high latch]

Honestly that line could apply to pretty well every plotline we've seen

[gleaming venture]

Like if they’re still in the bos & they (bos) show up in the game, I’m willing to bet they’ll be in the game as an npc

[high latch]

California group is about to have a civil dispute, Mojave group is already well past civil disputes

[vast wasp]

Mojave chapter is likley dead

[high latch]

Either dead or gone yeah

Hope they're not dead but alas

[still vigil]

Wait till doctor li shows up to tie Harold for most title appearances in fallout

[fresh crown]

maybe we'll see a 40+ year old Veronica

[still vigil]

The fnv follower ages are wack lol

It’s so hard to tell age of fallout npcs

[gleaming venture]

If they’re still around they’re either thriving or just a really small group in their bunker

[still vigil]

Boone is like 27 or something iirc

Looks 40

[high latch]

I think they're all in their 20s except the two who are very much not

[vast wasp]

Bro went thorough some shit

[still vigil]

Cass is almost 40

[high latch]

Cass is almost 40?

That is shocking wow

[still vigil]

Boone is 26 Veronica is 27

Arcade is mid 30s

[high latch]

Huh alright

[still vigil]

Cass has to be old because of her dad

[vast wasp]

Lilly probably was like 60 when she was turned into a mutant

[opal tiger]

Todd howard did in an interview.

[still vigil]

Sounds like marketing talk for “watch the show so the game makes sense gamers”

[opal tiger]

probably

[gaunt elm]

Part of me wonders then, how close will Fallout 5 be??

[opal tiger]

but i think it's also because the location is gonna be in the same place.

[gaunt elm]

Is it possible…. that we’re getting……….. Van Buren……?

[opal tiger]

S3 location will probably be where FO5 takes place. Just timeskipped or something.

[opal tiger]

the biggest location that's being spread around that was rumored a while ago was San Fran. Which makes the most sense.

[vast wasp]

Is f05 gonna be in sanfran ? Tod keeps telling them not to touch it

[opal tiger]

Yeah, this is also why i think that - he's saving San Fran for the game.

Similar how he told Obsidian not to touch Area 51, they ended up using it in the show.

[gleaming venture]

Maybe, but I’d prefer for not the whole game map to be where s3 is

[gaunt elm]

A map in one of the Brotherhood scenes showed Bloomfield Space Center and Tibbets Prison…….

[vast wasp]

It's based on a fan made map

[still vigil]

Because they copied a fan map

[opal tiger]

No it probably won't.

[still vigil]

They have towns with placeholder names from the fan map on it still lol

[gleaming venture]

F04 already reference 76’s location pre 76 release & the only other location it’s really teased was San Fran as Kellogg memories established that there’s plenty of lore to be found in San Fran as it’s populated & such

[gaunt elm]

No! I must push my agenda

[vast wasp]

76 was referenced sense f03

[gaunt elm]

Van Buren Fallout 5 CONFIRMED.

[fresh crown]

i hope we get power armor capes next game

[gleaming venture]

I hope we get more vehicle interactivity or just activity

[still vigil]

I hope we get super mutants eating BOS knights like sardines in a can

[fresh crown]

with how cluttered the roads are i think air travel is the most viable form tbh

[gleaming venture]

4 has non scripted vertibirds that could fly the player but also had constant bos npc activity with them flying literally everywhere, I hope we get more ground or naval stuff with the same concept

[fresh crown]

maybe a controllable vertibird

[vast wasp]

My personal vetribird

[fresh crown]

or horses and rideable bighorners

[still vigil]

If Bethesda keeps their map design how it is vehicles will always be a bad idea

[opal tiger]

Kellogg was also in San Fran in what, 2190? It's been a bit, a lot could've happened.

[vast wasp]

Horses gone

[fresh crown]

rideable deathclaw

[gleaming venture]

Yeah but it’s still established that there had been plenty of activity at the time which is more then what most areas can say

Human settlement wise

[still vigil]

Even Bethesdas biggest maps will be completely ass if you get a car

[opal tiger]

Even the earliest motorcycle mod from FO3 that used to be in FWE - easily showed why vehicles will never really match with Bethesda's map design. They'd have to change their formula like how skyrim's map is built for Horses travel pretty much.

[still vigil]

Yeah space out all the locations to more real scale, but then people will complain about the map being empty

[fresh crown]

i used that mod long ago before, it was so janky lol

[opal tiger]

It's SUPER JANKY

[vast wasp]

Just make rideable animals

[gleaming venture]

They could do what Dying Light The Following did & have you control your own customisable buggy you drive around the country side area of the main city parts of the map

[still vigil]

Yeah if they use zones that you travel to with vehicles it would work

Like an original game map

[fresh crown]

maybe a river canoe system could work

[vast wasp]

Pepole complained about zones in f3

[still vigil]

Because the metro is the worst thing in any fallout

It’s so mind numbing

[opal tiger]

Yeah, i just meant that a lot could've happened in the sense that what Kellogg mentioned about still may or may not apply. But that's what would make that setting interesting. I think San Fran in general will probably - if not for Fallout 5, definitely the one after it.

[gleaming venture]

Wasn’t one of the original fallouts partly in San Fran?

[still vigil]

2

Og fallouts had better maps that covered multiple cities

More interesting then modern ones that limit you to 1 and a few towns

[opal tiger]

The NCR has some presence or relationship with San Fran, i think, or was that dialogue bits that Kellogg mentioned? It's been a bit.

[still vigil]

The shi still control it

Kellog killed a gang member and used his new clout to become a hit man for the shi

[gleaming venture]

Yeah San Frans already been covered a bit both in flashback (Kellogg memories) & an actual game

I think it’d be better to have a more linear story spin off metro styled game for San Fran either as a prequel to better tell the events of san Fran when Kellogg was there or what happened after he had left

[faint saddle]

Looks like they run to freeside based on trailers before, then eventually they probably figure out they need to get up the L38 tower to the pent house and Maximus gets the NCR armor to fight the dc

[still vigil]

I think having new games having basically anything to do with previous plots directly is meh

[gleaming venture]

I feel like a new open world rpg like all the other games for an already established post war area would kind of downplay its prior events by returning to it to just do whatever the player wants despite said events

[still vigil]

I disliked the fact that fo4 was so close to 3

[midnight cosmos]

You put some respect on Uncle Baby Billy!

[midnight cosmos]

To be fair, living in a post-post-apocalyptic hellscape ages you!

[lusty ruin]

anyone doubting we'll see signs of Followers of The Apocalypse

[fresh shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/vice-principals-walton-goggins-demon-acid-acid-trip-gif-11304783167962580920

[still vigil]

Bound to happen

Their university probably doesn’t exist anymore

[lusty ruin]

in most endings the fort becomes a drug den

[still vigil]

Without NCR support they couldn’t last

[fresh shoal]

I’d really like to see Dr Usanagi and her little clinic still up and running

[vast wasp]

They probably might have a small base

[fresh shoal]

Also — how do the followers have access to these enclave level tech implants

[gaunt elm]

They’re mentioned in a little blurb for the show so they MIGHT show up

[lusty ruin]

where's that?

[still vigil]

They are the only ones that can use them, basically junk to anyone besides the BOS and followers

The NCR seems to fund them to some degree in exchange for their medical services

[gaunt elm]

Hold on lemme find it

Damn it there was a website where they spoke about them being in Freeside

[gaunt elm]

Damn it there was a website where they spoke about them being in Freeside

Trvst me ok

[still vigil]

Average fallout discord source

[ripe nova]

What is it about vegas house loved

[still vigil]

The money

[tender spindle]

The gambling

[still vigil]

It’s capitalism on easy mode, they just give it to you for free

[urban mulch]

what economy is house gonna spend his money in

bro doesnt even have a working body

[ripe nova]

But house had the obsession long the war from what we can gather

[still vigil]

House’s whole thing is prediction, he enjoys random chance for fun while also trying to cheat the system to find favorable outcomes

But also he ran a casino before the war, he had easy capitalism then too

[ripe nova]

Such an odd choice for a tech ceo

[tender spindle]

He would just build up a workforce through immigration and incentives presumably

[high latch]

Do we know much about what repconn and the other vault tec meeting guys were doing?

[blissful iron]

Other than organizing the end of the world alongside yet more goofball Vault experiments?

[high latch]

Yeah

Like presumably they were also all engaged in house/vault tec/big mountain-esque antics

[blissful iron]

I mean, West-Tek was doing their FEV experiments at Mariposa until Roger Maxson domed van Felden and his psychotic eggheads.

[tender spindle]

They were also doing experiments in Appalachia iirc

[blissful iron]

Though they also dumped FEV into Huntersville's water supply if my memory of 76 is accurate.

[gaunt elm]

NO SERIOUSLY TRVST ME OKKK

[lusty ruin]

i will try to find it

[lusty ruin]

I FOUND IT

[lusty ruin]

it also mentions three families, so does the khan one

[fresh shoal]

Yeah the boardroom meeting at the end of Season 1 really reinforces imo that Vault Tec is not the only group of crazy corpo fucks, it’s more like 90% of the world

[lusty ruin]

it was real

[fresh shoal]

Please let the Atomic Wrangler still be in business 🙏

Please let there be a Fisto cameo so I know my love is ok

[vast wasp]

Person getting fisting by a robot in the background

[lusty ruin]

in the trailer we see them go to the Atomic Wrangler

[fresh shoal]

Wang Dang Atomic Tango is canon 🤞

[tender spindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1451424290514800773/1460677266710335570/v15025gf0000d59ajk7og65m28kj08gg.mov?ex=6967c936&is=696677b6&hm=5ab1f3bf11540aa32a74bad3a86ada040f0ce85889403e66dd610299b4d76263&

[still vigil]

He’s talking to house tho

[flint yoke]

Lmao Funko just spoiled a ton of stuff

[lusty ruin]

why would vegas be "their old stomping ground"

[flint yoke]

Dumbass plastic bobble head type shit

[lusty ruin]

it was just 1 thing, no?

[tender spindle]

Ignore logic, embrace enclave

[flint yoke]

It also put to rest the Anthony House conspiracy

[lusty ruin]

which was put to rest, ages ago

[tender spindle]

That shit was dumb anyways

[flint yoke]

Yes but schizoposters gotta theory

[tender spindle]

Trailer put that to rest lmao

[flint yoke]

Tbh trailers are for cowards, you should enjoy all media as blind and open minded as possible

[fresh shoal]

Alright I don’t wanna see you looking up anything for Fallout 5 beforehand

[robust dragon]

A theory based on a single line that made sense to be said by Robert House anyway (he acquired H&H tools sometime before the Great War)

[robust dragon]

TBH I don't think they'd put that in the first episode if the takeaway is that he's talking to the person we're supposed to think he's talking to.

This show simply does not play things that straightforward, If they want us to think he was talking to House here then he isn't talking to House

[still vigil]

Explain the Vegas thing then?

[robust dragon]

Refers to the facility he's in, not Vegas itself

[still vigil]

He says he’s in the receivers old stomping grounds, Vegas

Sombodies office isn’t their “stomping grounds”

If it’s not house it will be the most dog shit twists I would have ever seen

[steady night]

||Oh bro spoiler via leaked products? Not the first time this has happened in media and definitely not the last lol
Anyways
Gimme gimme gimme me need the image||

[lusty ruin]

one sec

[steady night]

||If you need to post it in #1447295973129978058 then do but please gimme gimme gimme||

[lusty ruin]

!!!SPOILER!!!
future episodes

[robust dragon]

We already knew that from the trailers

[vast wasp]

We didn't

[steady night]

||I mean huge but that's it or is there more?||

[lusty ruin]

nope

[robust dragon]

||Yes we did, he can be seen wearing the crown in one of the trailers||

[dull urchin]

What role is the brotherhood gonna play in the rest of the season if we have no protagonists with them

[steady night]

||Huh
What about some big ass head figurine about House or smth?||

[lusty ruin]

||oh well it's just house||

[robust dragon]

If they aren't stuck in a civil war the rest of the season then probably hunt down Maximus

[lusty ruin]

not really a spoiler? but anyway

[steady night]

||The chip
There will be a Courier mention||

||I really don't think they just delivered the chip and left||
||They must have done the storyline even if they just speedran it||

[lusty ruin]

possibly

[dull urchin]

The post credits scene or last scene of the season is probably the commonwealth arriving

[gaunt elm]

I’m gonna be really disappointed if courier doesn’t even get mentioned

[robust dragon]

Huh that probably is the platinum chip, it has spade symbol the icon in New Vegas has on it

[dull urchin]

They'll defo at least get a vague mention

[blissful iron]

Maybe from House? Something like 'You aren't the first person to come here after the Great War, Cooper.'?

[tender spindle]

Yeah he might mention getting the chip from a courier or just someone vaguely entering into the lucky 38.

[hasty olive]

agreed, the courier entering the lucky 38 in new vegas sent ripples throughout the entire mojave region, it was a big occurence

[outer iris]

likely retconned

the ncr in the show seems to just be shady sands lol

hopefully I'm wrong about that though and they actually show off the rest of new cali

I'm looking forward to see the ghoul/ncr's arc going forward regardless of the portrayal

I like how they showed off the ghouls "soft spot" for the ncr a little bit

especially with that pre-war veteran flashback after blowing up the legion camp

[worthy monolith]

The Minutemen are the new NCR now

[twin kelp]

12 hours and ten minutes

[vast wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-gif-27448048

[fresh shoal]

Oh yeah I totally didn’t realize until last episode that it drops at midnight

We going to bed early tonight and waking up at 11:45 boys

[twin kelp]

I ahve to wake up at 2:45

[fresh shoal]

Shit you might as well go to bed now and wake up and watch the episode while you eat breakfast 🤣

[final flume]

In s12 when Lucy and the ghoul travel to the commonwealth they find that all the minute men have been nuked by vault tech and no longer exist anymore

[final flume]

And then get blown up by vault tech

[worthy monolith]

Honestly goes with the show's theme of "KILL ALL THE FACTIONS AND DON'T ASK ANY QUESTIONS"

[final flume]

Slop writing

[ripe nova]

The legion lives

[final flume]

Barely

[worthy monolith]

No more factions, just 10 billion more shitty shacks.

[final flume]

Legion is seemingly just a camp that’s divided in half💀✌️
And now is in a civil war that will probably end it by the season finale

[opal tiger]

FNV fans when they can't understand or read subtext

[worthy monolith]

Season either ends with the Legion get shitstomped by the main cast/Brotherhood of Steel or reveals that the Legion is somehow still alive.

But then somehow the NCR is dead.

[viral tree]

season 2 ending everyone is actually a synth and the institute won in fallout 4

[tender spindle]

The Legion camp is absurdly silly even by fallout standards

It’s literally just a mound of dirt separating the two factions

[worthy monolith]

Why the fuck don't they just toss grenades on the other side or something

Bomb the shit out of each other

[tender spindle]

The Legion cannot grasp such concepts apparently

[worthy monolith]

They mentioned something about enemy artillery. Are they talking about the Brotherhood or some rival Legion faction?

[viral tree]

my current headcanon is it was less of a civil war and more like living in the same house as someone you hate

they all just tolerated each other but were ready to shoot at a moments notice

[tender spindle]

Legion doesn’t have object permanence imo

[worthy monolith]

The "not" civil war involving the two sides literally shooting anyone who crosses a mound of dirt.

[high latch]

Feisty roommates

[final flume]

We literally see them pushing around artillery/A.T guns around

[onyx grove]

Legion with new Caesar, Brotherhood helmed by Quintus and NCR arrives for the post credit buzzer beater. lock it in

[final flume]

And big boom causes them to instantly open fire on each other

[final flume]

Then a second post credit scene are of power armour boots stomping on the ground as it pans up to an enclave soldier who then reports to base (and you can vaguely hear him say something about an oil rig)

Lowkenuey cooked more then the actual writers

[onyx grove]

i'll sacrifice my future children to Johnathan nolan if we see the enclave properly

[worthy monolith]

It's revealed there was a SECOND oil rig led by President Dick Rick Dickinson II. One that apparently was built up out of the ocean

[tender spindle]

Dick Richardson has somehow returned

[vast wasp]

Who on earth whould awake up at 3am to watch fallout. Oh Boi 3am

[worthy monolith]

Sadly, we might just get Enclave knock off more Vault-Tec instead.

[final flume]

And we find out that Harper is also apart of the enclave
And she reveals that the enclave has a massive force in Canada ready to invade

[worthy monolith]

Frank Horrigan cloning facility is also mentioned

[vast wasp]

They then kill Harper for being Canadian

[onyx grove]

hmm

[final flume]

Wonder what they’ll actually do with the info of Harper being Canadi*n

[worthy monolith]

Imagine the finale is just Hank escaping, and the end cutscene is just the camera panning to the Midwest, confirming Tactics is canon.

[twin kelp]

I can see her getting her throat slit or sum like that slave girl

[vast wasp]

Nate the rake finds out and storms vault 32

[twin kelp]

We need snake oil salesman bro where is my goat

[worthy monolith]

Shot dead by Powder Gangers

[tender spindle]

He’s with the chickens, hopefully to never be seen again

[vast wasp]

Twist he's a undercover chicken fucker from the enclave

[onyx grove]

a pre-war canadian that has a interest in hank's keepsake box... hmmmmm

[final flume]

Peak
Speaking of the Midwest
Heard a theory that quintus might actually be from the Midwest originally

[vast wasp]

Midwest bos aollowed ghouls and willingly violates the code ex

[final flume]

Now that I think about it she probably has massive resentment to all the other vault dwellers
For being American

[worthy monolith]

Which is why they're the best chapter

[tender spindle]

So I think I’ve found a new connection: this guy we see in Fallout 1, the canadian terrorist, is actually Harper’s first husband.

[tender spindle]

I think we can officially connect fallout 1, 4, and the tv show

[vast wasp]

The guy who killed him is Cooper Howard next to nate

[twin kelp]

Don’t you say that

He’s the goat

[final flume]

Color version of this scene in a flashback from Harper’s perspective 🙀

[onyx grove]

the vault plotline just becomes a slasher movie bc they're all american

[brazen eagle]

Does anyone else violently assault Powder Gangers for no reason?

[worthy monolith]

There's nothing wrong with killing a bunch of criminal nobodies

[viral tree]

hes getting kidnapped by hank bro

he is being violently lobotomised

[brazen eagle]

I mean ill see a random one standing there. 3 seconds later I lit him on fire with a heavy incinerator

[drifting kiln]

Do you think the Snake Oil Salesman was guessing?

Or if he actually knew it would "work"

[lusty ruin]

Yeah the show hasn't said/shown anything about NCR owning all of California, Biff says "we're from Shady Sands"

although s1 vault said "NCR becomes the largest and biggest economical power in California"

[opal tiger]

The subtext is implying that the NCR is beyond Shady Sands, they're just not showing it to us yet. There's also reports of Todd saying not to show more than Shady Sands and the Mojave atm, whether that's true or not - still the subtext and implications imply the NCR is still pretty large.

[lusty ruin]

There has to be a reason they said it was the FIRST capital of the NCR

in both S1 and S2

[opal tiger]

There is, that's kind of the whole point of them saying that.

[flint yoke]

Next season maybe Amazon will give them enough money to have more than 10 background extras at a time

[lusty ruin]

ep5 will blow your mind

[vast wasp]

Because the capital moved

[faint saddle]

Awful as it would be they could technically just say the game nv was a fever dream in a coma cooked up by the courier after getting shot in the head

[vast wasp]

Pepole love coma theories

[lusty ruin]

reposting this tv show location description thingy

wait wrong one

[faint saddle]

It's just a mix of in-game lore

We've already seen the strip is abandoned

[faint saddle]

Interesting that it name drops the chosen one but not the vault dweller who started the whole thing of wiping them out

[upbeat citrus]

I really hope those descriptions weren't written by AI.

[lusty ruin]

it's possible.

[unreal heart]

Rip😔

[vast wasp]

It's Amazon a billion dollar company of course it is

[upbeat citrus]

If they were then I hope the information is accurate to the show and not just the game.

[high latch]

The atomic wrangler is a casino?

I thought they were just a bar/brothel

[opal tiger]

No, they're a casino. lol

It's the only one in Freeside, iirc.
It's a Casino that has a bar, and offers services like a Brothel. But it has slot machines, and game tables.

[high latch]

Huh they had a bit of everything I guess

[tepid rover]

Yeah, it’s probably the second lowest total jackpot you can win before getting kicked out only with Prim being worse. But how many other casinos also help you find stuff for dirty filthy sex robot fetishists

[woeful helm]

love me the atomic wrangler

[still vigil]

So what are the odds on fisto?

I say 70%

[ornate dagger]

79%

[upbeat citrus]

It's basically a less sleazy Gomorrah.

[fresh shoal]

From your lips to His ears

[spiral pollen]

I just watched the episode.
Welp, they’re doomed.

[fresh shoal]

Imagine they get to the gate of Freeside and the entire town just peeks over the gate, opens fire on the Deathclaw and shreds it

[spiral pollen]

There’s actually two, according to the Episode 5 trailer.

[fresh shoal]

Maybe they’ll fight, Jurassic Park style.

Maybe Coop still has Deathclaw immunity from those pre war pheromone injections the US govt gave ‘em

[faint saddle]

I hope we see House this episode

[still vigil]

They are gonna run and hide raptor style and get saved by some character that is introduced to give exposition on freeside

[vast wasp]

Xander shows up and looks at the screen and says that was just a flesh wound

[faint saddle]

Yea I'm guessing they run to freeside

[faint saddle]

Be funny if they made him still alive but now 1 int

[terse light]

trailer says this basically

[dull urchin]

we probably will

[gaunt elm]

The true issue with the show isn’t that the factions are dead, it’s HOW they died or the circumstances they’re in

Everybody knew Caesar’s Legion would collapse after his death, but the idea of two rival camps with two rival caesar’s sitting right beside each other is stupid

[worthy monolith]

NCR somehow died because their capital got nuked. I already explained how that makes no fucking sense and it has to do less with real world comparison, and more to do with COMMON SENSE.

[gaunt elm]

Novac is empty. Is it because the Legion took it over because the Jason Bright ghouls all died? Meh. Let’s move on.

The Kings are ghouls. Meh. Let’s move on.

The Brotherhood have devolved into frat bros who play with plasma grenades and shoot up pre-war cars. This makes sense and is in no way contradictory to ANY of the games INCLUDING fallout 4

[worthy monolith]

I mean, this is West Coast Brotherhood who we haven't heard from in decades, tbf.

[gaunt elm]

Still, it seems like such a massive jump from what we saw of the Mojave chapter

[flint yoke]

The Mojave chapter probably died in their dumb bunker

They were always a doomed faction

[gaunt elm]

That’s the issue. Everyone is saying that “ohhh 15 years passed that’s a pretty long time for things to change” Well until we KNOW why they changed, the current state they’re in is stuoid

[flint yoke]

Even if you do their whole storyline their best ending is fucking off into the unknown never to be seen again

[gaunt elm]

Imagine if there was a Fallout season 3 based around the Capital Wasteland

Like picture it in your head

[maiden lagoon]

I think S3 will be Boston. S4 in Capital.

[gaunt elm]

How many of the various towns do you think would be destroyed

[flint yoke]

I can see it going either way. Supposedly DC was pacified by the BoS and is so safe that mercenaries are out of work.

...the same BoS that then fucked off to go punch nerds. I don't think Vault 87 ever got cleansed, hell for all we know there might be another mutant army coming from the mountains.

[worthy monolith]

Diamond City will be revealed to have been "destroyed" offscreen and abandoned.

[tough sentinel]

unlrelated but hey man long tiem no see

[worthy monolith]

Capital Wasteland, ironically enough, is safe thanks to the Brotherhood. But the show will probably quite literally drop a nuke on it.

Because "muh war never changes", and that means nuking every town with a population over 30 with running water and electricity.

[flint yoke]

Honestly in 3 most of the settlements feel very ephemeral. The city of Dave, or Paradise Falls, or the one pimp house. Even Megaton is extremely fragile, they're built around a fucking BOMB dude. I can see the atom cult going wild and setting it off.

[tough sentinel]

I can honestly see the Capital Wasteland becoming a breadbasket of some kind. Bonus points if they make the LW not kill Harold

[flint yoke]

Sup brother

[tough sentinel]

Project Purity is a massive step change

[worthy monolith]

Bethesda will just destroy it all like they did with the NCR and all the shit we saw get built up in Fallout 2.

[gaunt elm]

Let’s think about it:

Megaton probably got nuked

Underworld probably got raided by Brotherhood for being ghouls

Tenpenny Tower got raided by the ghouls

Lamplight is probably exactly the way it was in 2277

Rivet City is Brotherhood controlled

[twin kelp]

Who’s ready to wake up at 2:30 am

[worthy monolith]

Yup, sounds like what the Fallout show would do

[twin kelp]

To watch peak

[flint yoke]

Lamplight and big town are doomed settlements. They can't exist without each other, and they were both prime locations for vault 87 raids.

[twin kelp]

I’d be mad if megaton got nuked idrc abt other stuff

[gaunt elm]

None of the towns really mean anything and they’re just setpieces for the action

[worthy monolith]

True. The only actual large "settlement" is Rivet City

[flint yoke]

Megaton getting blown up would at least make sense. No one ever dismantled the bomb and moved it out of the way? With an active death cult chanting and waiting for the apocalypse to wipe them out?

[gaunt elm]

It’s like Caesar’s Legion collapsing

[worthy monolith]

I don't even fucking care at this point. Just nuke everything on the East Coast so it's balanced out with West Coast

[gaunt elm]

i high-key believe this is what’s gonna happen

the brotherhood, The Golden child of the fallout series is being portrayed by the show as an evil faction.

They ARE evil, but they have never really been shown to be this outwardly in your face evil

[flint yoke]

Unless they reveal that a bunch of methed up hillbillies are still in charge of the nuclear silos and they blew up project purity while screaming RAID BOSS

[open rampart]

They would make the capital wasteland look exactly as it did during Fallout 3 with raiders and mutants everywhere.

[gaunt elm]

They’re gonna wipe the slate clean. That’s my final call.

[worthy monolith]

A reboot. Make the last 30 years of lore useless.

[gaunt elm]

a SOFT reboot

[tough sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/kellys-heroes-oddball-negative-waves-gif-25791525

[faint saddle]

That's not soft

[gaunt elm]

yes i agree

i think more likely what they’re gonna do is weaken the Brotherhood so we can see it regain power

They’re not gonna nuke the brotherhood of steel

but i mean we said that about ncr so

[worthy monolith]

NCR is dead, all the major locations are wrecked. No point turning back now, and I'm just done atp

[gaunt elm]

@worthy monolith Are you Elijah-pilled yet

[sinful oasis]

They’ll probably just replace them with maxsons chapter

[tough sentinel]

I half wonder if we'll see Quintus take the field to go after Max. Perhaps even in Max's armor

I've had a feeling it was Quintus who rescued Max from shady sands

[worthy monolith]

I'm just a man with nothing left to lose.

[sinful oasis]

Quintus is a cleric so he shouldn’t have been using power Armors anyways

[gaunt elm]

I think there’s one main thing that’s going to really determine the future

and that’s if they show the NCR building back up AT ALL in the show

[tough sentinel]

Could've been a knight until he was injured, and "changed class" so to speak?

[sinful oasis]

Fair point

[gaunt elm]

If there isn’t a scene that’s like “ahhh.. we’ll recover some day…” then the NCR is dead

You know. I could push my Van Buren agenda on this conversation.

[worthy monolith]

I think the Brotherhood on the West Coast is completely scattered and crippled in the long term.

[tough sentinel]

I for one am coping hoping the plan is for the NCR to come back

People only seem to remember the FO2 NCR not the FNV one

[sinful oasis]

As long as the Grand Canyon chapter sticks around I’m happy, that elder was sick as fuck

[gaunt elm]

My Van Buren Agenda is that Hoover Dam will become the new capital of the NCR and it’ll look like this

[worthy monolith]

Probably dead guy

[worthy monolith]

Bethesda doesn't have the kind of heart for that shit. Hoover Dam is probably destroyed offscreen.

[tough sentinel]

Here I am half hoping Hoover dam is destroyed lmfao

If anywhere is going to be the new capital it'll be a Cold Fusion powered New Vegas

[sinful oasis]

Coronado elder is the one who got slimed

[gaunt elm]

That feeling when Fallout 5 is just the other half of the Van Buren design documents that they didn’t take for New Vegas:

[sinful oasis]

Enclave space station would be dope tbh

[worthy monolith]

They clearly followed the premise of Van Buren already by killing the NCR with a single nuke

[tough sentinel]

Enclave took over the Zetan Mothership

[gaunt elm]

And the show… already…… had a few spots on a map with Van Buren location….

Hm. #Noticing

[sinful oasis]

Tibbets Prison, Maxson Bunker, etc

[gaunt elm]

#Noticing that the idea of Caesar being a title instead of a single person is a Van Buren thing

[tough sentinel]

So wait, people are complaining about the fallout show following (if loosely) in the steps of Van Buren

Fucking hell fandoms can be so annoying.

[sinful oasis]

People will complain no matter what they do

[tender spindle]

This was carried into NV I believe

[gaunt elm]

no i’m pushing my agenda that fallout 5 is gonna be van buren related

[tender spindle]

The end slides will refer to Lanius as Caesar at times

[gaunt elm]

Really???

[tough sentinel]

Be glad brothers this shit wasn't like the Halo show

[tender spindle]

Yeah lemme pull em up.

[gaunt elm]

https://tenor.com/view/festthefestivefest-morgone-jones-morgan-jones-tweaking-tweak-gif-14491782401479632016

[tough sentinel]

However bad you feel about what this show has done

It could ALWAYS have been worse

[gaunt elm]

I’m not even a Halo fan but from what I saw Master Chief took off his helmet many many times and that’s a cardinal sin as far as I’m aware

[worthy monolith]

What, being non-canon? That's the one good thing the Halo show has.

[tough sentinel]

(Not gonna lie I kinda liked what they did with the flood in the S2 season finale)

[worthy monolith]

Meh, I wished they were on Alpha Halo instead of Onyx.

[tender spindle]

“Lanius is crowned the new Caesar”

https://youtu.be/yfmy93zhW_Y?si=oayWvviCl_kdcF6Z

[worthy monolith]

And they fucked up the whole "The ring kills everything" reveal.

[gaunt elm]

That feeling when Fallout season 2 makes a reference to a tribe that split off from Caesar’s Legion that’s made up of primarily women:

It’s pretty funny what happened to those daughters…. Heh, Kate?

[gaunt elm]

That feeling when fallout season 2 makes a reference to Caesar’s Legion trading slaves with a pre-war military base comprised of ghouls… Almost like some sort of… Reservation.

[tough sentinel]

Oh absolutely on all angles, but when it came to showing what an early stage of infection could look like I was digging it.

At first I was afraid they'll make it too generic as the first lady was getting at the boring as fuck characters. Then she started breaking her bones to get at them. Then a tentacle sprouted from her neck.

I also liked how they made the infection forms smaller and enter peoples bodies through the eyes

[worthy monolith]

All of that just to be ruined by the stupid fucking "BUT I'M A DEMON TOO GUYS!!!!!!" line.

[gaunt elm]

Bro imagine how cool it wouod be to go to space again in Fallout

but instead of it being a joke it’s serious

[worthy monolith]

I think it would be a good way to explore the Sea of Tranquility thing

[tender spindle]

Lol Lucy, Maximus, & the Ghoul go to space in S3 to destroy the Enclave’s colony ship

[gaunt elm]

Wrong! The Player Character of Fallour 5 goes to space to stop an evil ncr scientist from launching missiles

[tender spindle]

[gaunt elm]

that feeling when Fallout season 2 ends with a doctor diagnosing a wastelander with the “Blue Flu”

[tender spindle]

We need more accurate New California Republic representation so I am in support of this.

[worthy monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/body-snatchers-point-epic-invasion-of-gif-10800571

[tough sentinel]

Sorry

[worthy monolith]

MEME!

[livid shell]

!mute 172072712779333632 30m Previously advised no memes

[teal blade]

deviant1166 muted logion567 for 30 minutes. Reason: Previously advised no memes

[gaunt elm]

What if the New Plague didn’t actually disappear from the wasteland, but it merely fizzled out into less obvious symptoms

[worthy monolith]

Seriously tho, how do the mods detect memes that fast.

[tender spindle]

They are everywhere at all times

[gaunt elm]

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Van_Buren

[tender spindle]

Van Buren my beloved

[gaunt elm]

Imagine.

Imagine for just a. moment.

Van Buren Fallout 5.

[fresh crown]

Graphics look so jank but at the same time its kinda got a charm to it

[still vigil]

I know people idolize it for some reason but van buren was gonna be ass ngl

[fresh crown]

Or well i guess jank isn't the right term, looks kinda potato-ey more like

[tender spindle]

Van Buren would have likely been slop but I would still like to see it realized

Very interesting game

[still vigil]

You can’t really release a game that’s already had all the good stuff about it striped out and used

[tender spindle]

I mean I’m aware it’s never going to happen, regardless it’s a hodgepodge of a bunch of absurd and at times interesting concepts. It seems fun in the same vein as fallout 2, though even more ambitious. NV pillaged the “best” ideas but they’re put into a completely different context. It’s not the same.

[worthy monolith]

The Republic will live on in our hearts. Forever, the bear fights ✊ 😔

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT8fiaJ7suA&list=RDElDX1hHg-4g&index=2

[tender spindle]

Have the showrunners or Bethesda explicitly said that the tv show is setting up 5’s plot?

[worthy monolith]

I remember something about Fallout 5 taking place around or right in the middle of the show's events

[broken swallow]

Another oil rig has hit the wasteland? Lmao

[lilac drum]

Today is the day we will find out more

I legit forgot what happened this episode
There was lucy on drgus

deathclaw, bos civil war occuring
yeah that i all remember

[faint saddle]

Noticed in a trailer cooper actually meets both versions of House

[hidden fractal]

I'm always hyped for more fallout but I'm extra hyped because episode 4 was such a banger

[opal tiger]

This is relevant to FNV's narrative. Not Lucy, or Coop's. It's barely relevant to the Ghoul in the sense of, "Oh hey I was here 25 years ago." But even then, the Khan's too it over who knows how long ago, and it quite frankly doesn't matter. Especially because the lore behind Novac was tied to the NCR, Traders, and Caravans. If the NCR pulled out of the Mojave and pretty much stopped protecting the trade - which we already know they struggled with in FNV. Them being out of the Mojave would pretty much have Novac be gone in a few years due to no Caravans or customers coming through. I imagine they all just left Novac. There wasn't any skeletons or signs of a fight. So people just up and left, no point in sticking in a town where the only one good Faction that mildly cares about your interests is gone.

[twin kelp]

It’s currently 2:37 am

God someone kill me

I Just roke up

[opal tiger]

The Mojave was one Chapter. One. They do not represent or are an indication of how the West is like. And the Mojave Chapter was also in dire straits, so their position and demeanor is going to be wildly different.

[twin kelp]

I was planning on reading my tech jacket comic before I turn on fallout that ain’t happening

[opal tiger]

Yes, the body double escorts him to the real one.

[opal tiger]

Lol you got about 20mins.

[twin kelp]

I’ll literally pass out if I start reading I have such a horrible sleep schedule rn

[opal tiger]

Lmao

[lilac drum]

Hmm
Unfournatley
I will not see that way

[opal tiger]

Which is fair, lol im of the belief the West is devolved for the most part since they haven't had the room to expand and grow without the East's help. And as far as we know, the Mojave chapter was never in contact with the East - so they probably weren't able to get reinforced, or supplies like other Chapters did.

[lilac drum]

And i was over here making a joke

[opal tiger]

Humor not allowed! /j

[broken swallow]

Made it back from Waffle House with 10mins to spare.

[lilac drum]

OH CRAP
WE ONLY GOT 10 MINUTES LEFT
FUCK

I wont be able to watch until 3 pm
@opal tiger
Do not ping me for more power armor lore

[opal tiger]

I'll ping you just for PA lore if i see it.

[hidden fractal]

You should put whatever life obligations you have down and watch fallout instead

[ivory sundial]

I hate how this show blatantly disrespects the lore

[lilac drum]

I cannot

[lilac drum]

I dont really see them disrespecting it

[ivory sundial]

How so

[lilac drum]

Give me an example of how its being disrespectful

[hidden fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/russel-westbrook-what-are-you-talking-about-bro-huh-what-gif-1530912101496826296

[ivory sundial]

This show moved Shady Sands from Death Valley to the Boneyard, The Master would not have missed Vault 31, 32, and 33, how does the NCR just conveniently miss a Nuke in the Capital

Why are the Brotherhood fucking unserious idiots instead of the Military troops they act like in the games?

How the fuck did New Vegas succumb to death claws when House has Mark 2 Securitrons, HOW IS THE LEGION STILL A FACTION

[hidden fractal]

These are all new chapters we've never seen before

[ivory sundial]

Where is Lost Hills

[broken swallow]

3am was certainly an Amazon choice of all time.

[ivory sundial]

That's not a good excuse