EPISODE 4

[blissful iron]

Which does kinda make me a smidge worried that if/when they show up properly/in force, that it'll shift into deconstructing the NCR/harping on its faults like it was somehow a stupid idea from the start that was doomed to fail.

[fresh shoal]

They’ll be no wedding bells for todaaaaay

[austere bramble]

we didnt see that song yet

[tender spindle]

This would be much more based than what I expect to happen honestly

[fresh shoal]

‘Cause I got spuuuurs that jingle jangle jingle
(Jingle jangle!)

[tender spindle]

Also someone on another server made this comparison and I can’t unsee it

[fresh shoal]

I am disappointed we’ve only heard two NV songs so far? Correct me if I’m wrong?

[steady night]

Good middle of the road compromise?
Show that even though they are a good cause for the Wasteland, that they are flawed because, inherently, all nations will have flaws

[burnt grail]

i have a different perspective on this: if they do reintroduce the NCR in full force i feel theyre painting them in too much of a good light that theyre gonna come across as these purely good guys since now every other faction in the show is basically just evil

[fresh shoal]

@steady night good to see you back. I thought a day was a little extreme personally but 👀

[burnt grail]

and yes the NCR is good but i'd like it to have some nuance

[fresh shoal]

Let’s not talk about it here

[steady night]

Eh I thought it was deserved

[austere bramble]

the fact that OWB did a much better job portraying the intricacies of the NCR and its problems as a post-apocalyptic copy of the USA and the American dream then the goddamn showrunners is funny

[steady night]

Shady Sands Trams :3

[fresh shoal]

As long as you think you deserved it I reckon that’s okay then

[steady night]

Yeah this
If you are going to have them as the good guys have them as flawed good guys
They did that in NV

[burnt grail]

i wish we saw the tram in the s2 flashback

[proud urchin]

[blissful iron]

That'd be fine, honestly; not like NV didn't at least lampshade the NCR's.... teething issues, let's say. But there's a difference between 'acknowledging their foibles but also acknowledging the good they've done' and Deconstruction Boulevard in the name of sounding deep and profound.

[austere bramble]

but the biggest question is...what the heck even happened to Vegas ? cuz it seems like everyone got screwed over

i mean , yall saw the Airport in the credit sequence right ? smth sudden happened

[upbeat rock]

That was just the fiend vs ncr

[burnt grail]

i think it was some kind of intentional sabotage because i cant conceive of a way deathclaws invaded the strip on their own

[austere bramble]

did our glorious Elijah finally suceed ?

[blissful iron]

I blame the Courier for getting Red Lucy those deathclaw eggs.

[orchid pond]

house most likely died (or maybe he didnt) and it collapsed.

[steady night]

When your enemy is weak you are ofc going to take advantage of it
I don't think that was from Hoover Dam

[upbeat rock]

Nah house didnt die

[austere bramble]

i dont think everyone would die like that tho bro

[steady night]

||Freeside is okay||

[austere bramble]

cuz we saw ultra deluxe members skeletons too

[upbeat rock]

Way too many things are set up to involve him right now, I dont think hes dead. I just thinj he never got that upgrade chip and then everyone went to war.

[blissful iron]

Dude's too forward thinking to die so easily.

[austere bramble]

idk , seems like smth interesting is gonna happen

[burnt grail]

tbf i imagine the mojave isnt actually completely dead its just all the locations theyve shown us are abandoned or taken over so far (like i doubt theyll show us goodsprings or the insides of primm but im hoping theyre still inhabited towns)

[tender spindle]

I mean I think there’s a legitimate argument to be made the NCR are not a good thing, especially in the long term, even if they’re much more socially liberal and are to a degree a greater stabilizing force compared to their competition. The show isn’t necessarily hardline anti-capitalist but it’s hard for me to take seriously its themes if it just endorses a faction which is heading down the same path.

[upbeat rock]

But no camp mccaran probably just had the fiend vs ncr battle

[tender spindle]

Needs to be some acknowledgment of this at least, even if the showrunners believe the NCR have potential imo

[burnt grail]

the end credits show legion corpses in camp mccaran (but tbf the art done in the credits is only semi canon)

[upbeat rock]

Could have been the fiends

[austere bramble]

i mean...we saw Vegas destroyed in the credits of a s1 ep (which did eventually happen)

[steady night]

The credits acknowledging NCR as capable of having tanks really was a good thing I think

[upbeat rock]

True

[burnt grail]

lmao yeah it will be interesting if they dont paint the ncr with nuance since the prewar flashbacks are bashing corportism heavily and one of the NCR's biggest flaws in its prime was the corruption of the government by wealthy brahmin barons lol

[upbeat rock]

That means a theoretical war between ncr and legion would have the ncr smashing them lol

[steady night]

The skeletons killing NCR all have Roman lorica segmentata or just look like Legion

[blissful iron]

Good thing or not, they're the best the Wasteland got at present.

[upbeat rock]

I see

[burnt grail]

true but then in another credits scene there is a robco nuclear silo (i mean parts of that might be true idk)

[upbeat rock]

Yeay I think the strip just hit by the legion

[austere bramble]

might just be the defense systems House has , even in the show people think he is installing nukes in there

[upbeat rock]

Remember clanden? The chlorine bombs?

[burnt grail]

i thought this was awesome btw im glad the showrunners acknowledge the NCR have normal vehicles by adding that tank

[steady night]

I agree :]

[upbeat rock]

I bet that happened, killed nearly everyone. Ncr and legion fighting, and someone probably snuck some deathclaw eggs in to fuck the place

[tender spindle]

I think the acknowledgment is cool but I hope they don’t canonize that tanks actually were in the Mojave

[steady night]

First acknowledgement of such a thing since All Roads

[blissful iron]

Vertibirds and trucks would be more than enough for the NCR.

[tender spindle]

If the NCR has too much high tech stuff there it kinda makes the conflict too silly

[burnt grail]

true true, i acc liked this detail about how moldover thought he was involved in the nukings when that mightve just been her bias and misinterpretting his defense network

[tender spindle]

At least for me. Should be heavily limited.

[blissful iron]

No need to have the NCR spam Shermans like the BoS does Vertibirds.

[austere bramble]

a whole ass group does pre-war too

so yeah , i think thats the defense missiles , so honestly i think the credit animations are canon

[upbeat rock]

I mean, we are assuming these tanks are working

[burnt grail]

i kind of want them to be canon because i like many of the additions but someone before was telling me about how they werent but idk the source tbf

[outer iris]

I mean, if gunners have tanks/apcs and people regularly use vehicles in fallout then its logical that a country the size of the ncr would have tanks and whatnot

Post apocalyptic tank crews fuckin kick ass

[vast wasp]

Smart

[tender spindle]

Sure, but I’m more so hesitant to canonize them being in the Mojave because it just trivializes the conflict if they could field stuff like that there without issue.

Have them hold the heavy vehicles back for whatever reason

[outer iris]

Yeah

I gotta say though, tanks are very vulnerable to anti tank infantry and the like

Maybe an ambush happened to their singular tank they had and it was put out of commission

I definitely dont like the idea of the ncr having alot of tanks, but it’d be logically to have one or a few

[outer iris]

Tbf the conflict was always kinda trivialized and relied heavily on the legion somehow being a threat by the writers

[tender spindle]

I agree to an extent but I don’t see the point in making it worse

[outer iris]

If we do see tanks, like in fallout 5, they’d be somewhere in the homefront anyway

Its a pain to drive a tank that far to the mojave, and probably not worth it

[upbeat rock]

Fallout 5?

[austere bramble]

i mean...

[outer iris]

Yeah, fallout 5 will probably take place on the west coast

[austere bramble]

we see the Legion use anti-tank batteries and howitzers so...

[upbeat rock]

Hopefully not just nv2

[tender spindle]

They only have one broken howitzer they don’t know how to repair until the courier helps them

[outer iris]

They have multiple as of the show

[tender spindle]

Legion advancement I say

[outer iris]

Legate lanius would definitely order his men into a full frontal infantry charge against a sherman

[tender spindle]

Funny too how the show has a shitton of legionnaires using guns

Hopefully that puts the “they barely use guns” argument to bed

[burnt grail]

in nv the NCR have working trains and trucks in the mojave im pretty sure (like the ones at camp mccaran / mojave outpostand the trains that the powder gangers were building tracks for)

[outer iris]

Yeah they use trucks and stuff

[hasty olive]

they don't, those do not work and are game assets

sawyer himself said they're just there as assets and that they do not use them

[burnt grail]

i know they cant get them to work in the game engine but the implication is that in the lore they were operational

[outer iris]

They were also building the railroad as of new vegas, so they have train routes too

[vast wasp]

They have working guns on the dam that chould shoot at the legion don't but dont use them

[hasty olive]

not according to sawyer

[hasty olive]

train yes truck no

[outer iris]

Why do the fallout devs always give us boring ass answers

Its logical in a world like fallout that the ncr would use trucks lol

[burnt grail]

hmmm okay, then i suppose the railways were still in the process of being built (because transporting the cement from quarry junction was a plot point and i imagine theyd do that with the railraods the NCR made the powder gangers construct)

[hasty olive]

because trucks make no sense for fallout

[high latch]

To an extent

[outer iris]

Yes they do, people use cars all the time in fallout lol

[high latch]

Road infrastructure in most of the wasteland is downright abhorrent let alone access to skilled technicians and replacement parts

[hasty olive]

they don't, the only source otherwise is the bible

[austere bramble]

fallout 2 had WORKING cars

[outer iris]

Gunners use apcs and tanks in fallout 4 lol

[high latch]

Fallout 2 had working car

[burnt grail]

shady sands had a car park and garage in fallout 2 didntr it

[hasty olive]

i'm well aware it had 1 working car lmao

[outer iris]

With fresh tire tracks too

[austere bramble]

sure they were rare , but a workshop existed so there must be some amount of use

[high latch]

I only remember the highlander

[outer iris]

There’s actually alot of fresh tire tracks in 4 interestingly enough, there is alot of movement vehicularily

[hasty olive]

the chop shop? it was used to dissassemble pre-war cars

[vast wasp]

The parts were scattered across the wasteland

[hasty olive]

gameplay =/= lore

[outer iris]

What?

[hasty olive]

gameplay is not representative of lore

[outer iris]

Why would they put tire treads and apc/tanks near gunner positions if they werent implying something

[hasty olive]

because it was for gameplay purposes

[high latch]

The prevailing standard seems to be that finding or repairing cars in working order is possible but rare

[burnt grail]

idk doofus in the ncr bazaar seems ti imply there were working cars that are brought in

[hasty olive]

yes, very rare because pre-war parts were extremely hard to maintain due tot the advanced technology

[high latch]

The NCR would have far greater incentive to run rail lines between settlements

[outer iris]

True

[hasty olive]

trucks are fucking useless and fallour doesn't jave ghem

[outer iris]

Trains are also a pain in the ass to maintain, so if they can manage trains then they could logically manage other vehicles lol

[burnt grail]

fallout tactics gave the bos humvees (im aware this game is only semi canon tho)

[hasty olive]

they do have trains thougy which are much more useful and practical, and laying a rail line is easier than laying a highwau

[high latch]

Implications are all well and good for reinforcing established lore but usually don't hold much weight in themselves

[outer iris]

Those kicked ass

[short bobcat]

Guys anyone got a map of fallout 76? im working on a fallout ""World"" map

[hasty olive]

yes but fallout tactics is not a canon game sadly

[burnt grail]

it is semi canon

[short bobcat]

ive been working on it for 2 yrs now and im too lazy to play 76 due to crashing

[outer iris]

Tactics humvee my beloved

[austere bramble]

just look it up lol

[high latch]

Tactics does some funny things with the brotherhood

[short bobcat]

Nuh uh

[tender spindle]

Tactics is canon in my heart

[hasty olive]

semi-canon means not canon, the only canon part is the existence of a midwestern bos and nothing else

[burnt grail]

im not using it to argue the humvee thing obviously lol but im just saying whatever bethesda wants to pull out of tactics is still canon

[austere bramble]

here

[hasty olive]

only the midwhestern brotherhood is canon

[outer iris]

Fallout should just use the rule of cool as always, post apocalyptic humvees are cool haha

[high latch]

And the previous use of airships

[hasty olive]

yes, the midwest bos had airships

[high latch]

Well. Had

[outer iris]

Ship o’ air

[high latch]

Probably has some again now though, albeit I don't think we'll see the Midwestern BOS in a while

[hasty olive]

They had the best armor imo

out of all the power armors the midwestern one was the goat

[tender spindle]

If the Midwestern BoS are shown I doubt they’ll be as hardcore as they are in Tactics

[burnt grail]

na theyve got to double down surely

[high latch]

Where is tactics set

[hasty olive]

chicago i think? or beijing, not sure

[burnt grail]

its set in a lot of states from chicago to colorado

[high latch]

Ooh yeah I don't think we're gonna see them any time soon then

[tender spindle]

Yeah they go down to Colorado to fight the calculator iirc

[short bobcat]

uh

[tender spindle]

Vault-Tec villain

[hasty olive]

the main enemy of the game is a calculator, wow.

[burnt grail]

i still think theyre gonna recycle the idea of a "vault 0" for the tv show vault tec plotline

[hasty olive]

2+2=4 = death sentence to brotherhood of steel who are scared of numbers

[tender spindle]

Mathematics are advanced tech, the wasteland cannot be trusted with it

[hasty olive]

they are also scared of the robot army the calculator controls but that is less relevant

[high latch]

They seem to be heading towards having another VT facility somewhere

[hasty olive]

okay I'm gonna go watch episode 4 now

[burnt grail]

have fun its got quite a lot in just one episode

[tender spindle]

Also what is Hank even doing with his experiments anyways. I know he’s trying to find a resilient subject, but how is that going to improve the device?

[high latch]

I'm wondering if they'll reveal that Hank is actually in said facility and just hasn't brought anyone online, albeit I doubt that's the case

[hasty olive]

thanks, I will probably hate it though

[austere bramble]

hes trynna perfect the device and the frequency so that it dosent lead to peoples heads exploding i think

[burnt grail]

this episode was quite divisive haha but ill let you get to that

[tender spindle]

It’s just strange to me because he isn’t shown making any modifications between tests, he just keeps doing the same thing over again. Unless the chip progressively improves itself somehow?

[austere bramble]

hes really trynna do frequency experiments then i think

or maybe its just offscreen

[burnt grail]

yeah personally i think they just cut the montage weirdly i imagine he is making changes each iteration

otherwise no wonder the mice kept blowing up lol

[hasty olive]

i made a mistake

I forgot I haven't even watched episode 3 yet 😃

[steady night]

lol

well then get to it

[hasty olive]

I am already extremely fucking angry 15 minutes into episode 3

I knew this was going to happen

There could have not been a worse actor for Lanius, why did they not find a buff guy that is very tall 😭

[steady night]

That´s not Lanius btw
That´s a whole new Legate

Also #1447298257972756530

[hasty olive]

my bad

[outer iris]

His names like decima or something i dont rember

[steady night]

He´s the Lacerta Legate

[outer iris]

Oh mb yeah thats the guy

[hasty olive]

can we not talk about previous episodes here

[outer iris]

People do all the time tbh, aslong as it relates to the new one lul

Technically every episode has a recap of the one before sooooo, it counts

[hasty olive]

gonna keep an open mind while I move forward with ep3 I guess

[upbeat citrus]

No.

[burnt grail]

mustve been mandella effect lol ive not played 2 in years

[carmine raft]

Yeah I always figured that the brotherhood they showing was a little heavy handed in the bad parts of the brotherhood

[tender spindle]

I know he wasn’t Lanius but it would be funny if the Home Alone kid was actually meant to be him

The malding would be astronomical

[shut tree]

Finally caught up

[carmine raft]

Like obviously the Brotherhood isn’t all sunshine and rainbows but saying they’re evil also feels a bit too reductionist

[open rampart]

I think we can

[carmine raft]

I confess as a guy who’s first fallout game was fallout 4 only after playing some of the other games did I realize how black and white they made morality in that game, I mean the brotherhood was the most morally complex tbh

[upbeat citrus]

I mean, Quintus' chapter is definitely evil.

[open rampart]

Genuinely curious as to what makes Quintus BoS “complicated” they have yet to shown that

[lusty ruin]

i don't see why we should go to the older ep chat to discuss it

[carmine raft]

Nah sorry I meant like the BOS in general across the games

[upbeat citrus]

I mean, isn't this what General Spoilers is for?

[open rampart]

I know

The show called Quintus BoS complicated

[lusty ruin]

not sure what that chat is for tbh

[carmine raft]

Right right Thaddeus said that in season 1 I recall

[burnt grail]

yeah im ngl there's almost nothing redeeming about quintus' chapter lmao

[open rampart]

They massacred an entire town just because

[lusty ruin]

why did they even take filly

[carmine raft]

Didn’t they just occupy it?

Ohhh you mean the ncr outpost with the cold fusion my bad

[upbeat citrus]

"The locals put up a fight, but so did we."

No, they massacred Filly.

[carmine raft]

But there were still civilians there weren’t there? Could’ve sworn I saw like merchants and stuff still there when they occupied it

[upbeat citrus]

None whatsoever. Only Brotherhood.

[carmine raft]

Oh I must be misremembering

[steady night]

Nope there actually were civvies in Filly

[upbeat citrus]

Where? I didn't see any.

[steady night]

When the whole focus is given to the Brotherhood for the scene yeah I dont blame you but yeah
Filly wasn´t massacred totally

[upbeat citrus]

Show me where they are.

[pearl badge]

Hi

[carmine raft]

when they said that they gave a fight I figured they meant that whoever ran filly fought them a but but the brotherhood ad victoriam’d them so hard they just surrendered.

[open rampart]

The show has a weird relationship with Quintus BoS.

like how no civilians panic whenever the brotherhood is around.

[upbeat citrus]

I don't see Quintus' Brotherhood doing that.

[steady night]

Just go to Episode 8 and look around the scene take my word on it

I just watched it in December

[upbeat citrus]

I'm supposed to take some out-of-focus clerics and squires as civilians?

[steady night]

I´m pretty sure they didn´t look like squires or clerics

They looked like wastelanders

[carmine raft]

Frankly it just doesn’t make sense to me they’d massacre the entire town when they could just occupy it and reap the benefits of holding a populated civilian center

[steady night]

That´s actually because they didn´t as far as I remember

[hasty olive]

got to the part where xander and max take down the securitron

I like xander so far but I honestly think he's manipulating max into gettinh the relic

[open rampart]

🙂‍↕️

[carmine raft]

Anyway back to episode 4 talk this is so sad rip vegas strip

Hang loose in heaven baby, your a high roller now

[upbeat citrus]

No it's not, it's in Hell.

If we're using Judeo-Christian afterlives as a metric, that is.

[upbeat citrus]

No, he drove them out by flipping tables and using a bullwhip.

[carmine raft]

Yeah but the strip were never a temple now were it?

[fresh shoal]

I sped run through everything in HH except for the Joshua dialogue

[upbeat citrus]

No, it was a den of vice and sin. By Judeo-Christian standards such a place would never make it into heaven.

[fresh shoal]

Who says it won’t be repopulated (or ready to be) by the end of the show?

[carmine raft]

I mean for all we know it could’ve been a holy place for the natives before the colonists came in and totally peacefully moved in

[fresh shoal]

There’s literally a casino called Gomorrah, yeah

[carmine raft]

Well I’m not using judeo christian standards but I’m gonna stop this convo before it can of worms

[fresh shoal]

I think Vegas probably got what was coming to it, even pre-Courier

[upbeat citrus]

One of the two cities Yahweh nuked.

[carmine raft]

I mean compared to the rest of the wasteland it was pretty run of the mill, and I mean there’s much worse going on than people gambling and getting laid. Unless you’re talking about like Mr. House and the guys running the casinos

[upbeat citrus]

I'm just not a fan of the city. Never was.

Why House chose to save it and not some other city with a less shitty reputation is beyond me.

...Actually no. Fuck that, all cities have shitty reputations.

Vegas is the shittiest though.

[carmine raft]

New Phoenix doesn’t have the same ring as New Vegas

[upbeat citrus]

THAT would have been a helluva thematic name for it.

[carmine raft]

Good point

[upbeat citrus]

Considering what a phoenix is, yeah...

[carmine raft]

Speaking of which, those ferals which Lucy killed, did anyone else notice that one wearing the white suit and guitar like what The King wore?

[open rampart]

Yes she murdered The king.

[viral tree]

I really hope the show is going to introduce some new major faction at some point, every game has introduced one but the show is just re-using old factions that are mostly destroyed

[foggy apex]

We know that not all the kings went feral or ghoulified because the show runner said we’ll see more kings so maybe it wasn’t the actual king and just a king with a white jacket

[viral tree]

1 had the master, 2 had the enclave, 3 had the BOS (yeah they were already around but weren't portrayed as a main faction until then), 4 had the Institute and NV and the NCR/Legion. I feel like a new antagonist/main faction is kinda what the show is missing.

[near socket]

The antagonist this show is building to is literally Vault Tec

and possibly the Enclave

[near socket]

Its probably the former King from New Vegas (the game) and the one we see in the show are probably going to be the remenants in Freeside/Westside.

[burnt grail]

this is mainly because every new main installment in the fallout franchise is so far apart (fallout 4 was 10 years ago) they have to reintroduce fallout "staples" to new audiences

which i agree sucks, i want them to experiment with new ideas and factions

[near socket]

It would be cool but the show also needs to get fans on board. Its why there so much references to previous games and lore. Thye could have set this off in the middle of nowhere but the conversation would easily become "OMG why isn't X faction in here. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE LORE!!! "

[fresh shoal]

“Fallout 4 was ten years ago”
years ago
years ago

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-leave-me-alone-meme-gif-6420351794930725971

[burnt grail]

i know right its actually crazy

[vast wasp]

F05 remake when

[burnt grail]

i always wonder when im 80 how far some of these franchises will go. like will i have over a dozen fallout games? will there be half a dozen remakes? will they remake the remakes, etc. maybe bethesda just goes bust at some point

[faint saddle]

Interesting map

Hmm looks like legion is going after Nellis afb

Where's that guy that kept insisting the boomers were dead because legion wasn't attacking them

[faint saddle]

Let's hope by the time we're 80 we got full dive VR like sword art online except it's just fallout

[burnt grail]

i geniunely think we're close to something like this (like look at blade and sorcery if you what that is) but sadly no major company invests in VR because the market is so thin :(

[lusty ruin]

apprently this map is fan made too

[burnt grail]

lmao

[faint saddle]

Yup based on a fan made map it's not the exact one

Just used it for reference

[fresh shoal]

If we see a b27 flying or not this season I will do a backflip

[upbeat citrus]

Okay, so... I'm not sure if anyone answered this question last night, but I was told that the Centurion armor in the series is using different T-45 pieces from the ones used by Cooper and Charlie. Does this mean I'm justified in continuing to use Titans of the New West while leaving Legion armor unmodded in New Vegas?

[opal tiger]

Yeah, probably lol

[opal tiger]

Freeside is busy and filled with people, presumbly survivors from the Strip, and people from the NCR who got left behind and just became citizens.

[manic lichen]

I keep being right about everything I predicted

[upbeat citrus]

Thank you Ajax. lol

[short bobcat]

What if belgium invades las vegas and thats why new vegas is in ruins in the show?

[tender spindle]

https://youtu.be/t-sA5kHsPC4?si=aIBU6_CIO3KTD71e

[short bobcat]

Clearly belgian superiority

[tender spindle]

Interesting video

[manic lichen]

Who would win in a fight between Sarah Lyons vs Maximus

[open rampart]

Sarah Lyons

[tender spindle]

Sarah is an experienced veteran and her iq isn’t in the double digits so she’s definitely got this

Only advantage Maximus has is that he’s wearing T-60

[manic lichen]

Maximus is smart

[open rampart]

No

[tender spindle]

Maximus is an idiot

[manic lichen]

he’s just misguided

[tender spindle]

He can be both at the same time

Nothing Maximus has done in this show makes me think he’s smart tbh

[outer iris]

I wish the pacing this season wasn't ass

[open rampart]

Agreed

[foggy apex]

He’s a child soldier indoctrinated into a religious tehcnocult

[manic lichen]

he can be intelligent but not knowledgeable

[outer iris]

the weekly rollout is NOT helping either lol

[manic lichen]

how smart can someone be if no one teaches them anything

[open rampart]

Ahh so that’s why he’s not smart

[tender spindle]

Best thing going for him is that his parents seem fairly smart, so maybe trauma related stuff nuked his mental capacity lmao

[outer iris]

he's an emotionally stunted kid who got forced into soldiery at a young age

[foggy apex]

People with c-ptsd have expressed that they feel he’s a good rep for that

[manic lichen]

he is smart but not knowledgeable!!!!

[outer iris]

and in maximus's case, he has a severe case of c-ptsd

[hasty olive]

I hate this fucking

[foggy apex]

I do too

[manic lichen]

I have that too :)

[outer iris]

so true

[hasty olive]

Why the FUCK did he kill Xander

[tender spindle]

Morals bro

[foggy apex]

Xanders a bitch

[outer iris]

because xander was a dickhead about to mow down kids prolly

[hasty olive]

I was extremely anticipating of those abominations getting what they deserved and he killed the most enjoyable character so far

[manic lichen]

Cuz Xander was gonna kill children ghouls

[foggy apex]

The most enjoyable charactor so far is the deathclaw matriarch who mogged coop

[manic lichen]

Maximus is obviously gonna be sympathetic to orphans as he is one also

[tender spindle]

Anyways people with c-ptsd aren’t universally intelligent either. I don’t put much stock into this for obvious reasons but even the official characters SPECIALs they gave Maximus gave him a below average intelligence score 😭

[outer iris]

"warm... meat" mogged the whole series with that line tbh

[manic lichen]

that deathclaw looked SOOOOOO good

[fresh garnet]

I didn't even think about that element, that's a good point

[foggy apex]

-4mtr tall death lizard. - flexes and stands fully straight up ‘PERRY the 4mtr tall death lizard’

[outer iris]

also max lowkey wanted an excuse to smash someones head in with a super sledge, cut him some slack we would ALL have that urge

[foggy apex]

The deathclaws were almost entirely practical too

[hasty olive]

He literally had 50 abominations infront of him and he chose to kill xander instead

[tender spindle]

Tell ‘em soll

[foggy apex]

He had 50 children in front of him and he chose to kill the guy about to kill them

[outer iris]

Thats how max operated dawg, gotta assert his dominance by caving in the skull of someone he met 5 minutes ago

[hasty olive]

He is an idiot

What does he get by saving children that aren't even human

[foggy apex]

Uhhhhhhhhh they are

[outer iris]

my evidence for max being a fucking idiot was the fact that he didn't steal xanders fucking coat

[hasty olive]

Objectively he just fucked the entire civil war plotline and ruined huge amounts of amazing potential lore

[outer iris]

i'd kill that fucker for his coat Ion gotta lie

[tender spindle]

God you’re right Maximus should’ve thought about the plot implications

[open rampart]

Didn’t this guy try to take a vault fusion core?

And didn’t he lead the BoS to the observatory?

Also isn’t he going to join the Faction that brought raiders to Lucy vault?

I don’t trust Maximus one bit! 😬

[hasty olive]

Furthermore I am not happy about not getting to know who Caesar's heir is

[foggy apex]

Pretty sure it says ‘I am ceasar , I am legion’

[outer iris]

no swag max vs swagamilian xander harkness the chad

[tender spindle]

Hot dawg

[hasty olive]

did you take these pictures with your microwave

[opal tiger]

It says some stupid shit on that note, it's a 6 or 5 letter word, and before that it says 'I am' - it probably says, 'I am Caesar'

[outer iris]

yeah then popped it in the airfryer

[hasty olive]

i can count the pixels

[foggy apex]

There’s a new view of it and the side that shows when we see his corpse from the left has the two lines end with r and n respectively. Which lines up with ‘I am -ceasar, I am -legion,

[hasty olive]

Why would he write that instead of his heir

[outer iris]

144p is just better

[tender spindle]

Noooooo Caesar you’re supposed to name an heir noooooooo

[foggy apex]

There is no heir

[hasty olive]

Why did he not appoint a heir? Is he stupid

[tender spindle]

Probably

[foggy apex]

Ceasar is a hypocrite who never intended for the legion to outlive him. The game shows that

[tender spindle]

Maybe the brain tumor got to him

[outer iris]

because the legion wouldnt exist without ceasar? its why the empire fucking crumbles after palpatine dies since it was designed to only survive with him

[hasty olive]

well that makes sense enough

[manic lichen]

Bro what do you expect from an orphan who was taught absolutely nothing

[outer iris]

thats just how big of an egotistical prick ceasar is tbh

[hasty olive]

I really got mad when Quintus yelled at Maximus as well

[foggy apex]

It was a cult of personality, his whole plan was to force the ncr to join him and be ruled by him, which doesn’t happen in any ending and all the endings the legion loses eventually

[manic lichen]

So what do you guys think happened to new Vegas

[opal tiger]

Yes, it's almost like the community has said Caesar is not as smart as he thinks he is for years.

[manic lichen]

I’m thinking the Yes Man ending was canon and it went to shit after a while

[outer iris]

ts actually was stupid, max shouldve blown his fucking dome smoove off but suddenly drank the potion of being a terrible shot

[foggy apex]

Didn’t some fuckers in the Vegas strip try to breed deathclaws using eggs to fight

[opal tiger]

Someone probably destroyed the Strip and lured the Deathclaws there, a portion of Freeside is damaged, but the Rest of Freeside is okay.

[outer iris]

even though he was established to be a crackshot in s1

[manic lichen]

No it was actually a really good scene

[foggy apex]

Why has no one seen this incredibly obvious reason for deathclaws being there

[hasty olive]

yes, in the sewers of the city were deathclaw fighting matches

[tender spindle]

Blackjack and hookers

[foggy apex]

There we go then

[outer iris]

too niche to be included in the show

[hasty olive]

it's called The Thorn if someone wants to search about it

[manic lichen]

Maximus was hesitant to kill his only father figure lol how is that a stupid scene

[foggy apex]

Deathclaws got bored of fighting in the sewers and decided to gamble their fortune away like the courier

[hasty olive]

if you bring a bunch of animal eggs to the owner, you get to fuck her as well

[open rampart]

His parents taught him better than this

[opal tiger]

The thorn yes, but again, that more towards Freeside, not Vegas Strip. And there's no reason a Matriarch would specifically go to the Strip unless her Eggs were stolen and moved there.

[tender spindle]

Quintus and Maximus’ relationship was really compelling, I like that one time he called him son and we barely see any positive interactions after

[foggy apex]

They wanted to gamble

[manic lichen]

Bro he was like 5 years old when they got nuked 😭😭

[hasty olive]

yeah they just ruined it with that one meeting

[outer iris]

why didnt quintus suit up in a badass suit of X-01 preem power armor, is he stupid

[manic lichen]

You have the media literacy of a child

[signal knoll]

mean father

[hasty olive]

lmao that was unexpected

[foggy apex]

They don’t have enclave armour

[outer iris]

x-01 isnt enclave armor

[foggy apex]

It is by then lmao

[hasty olive]

he is literally barely on his feet how can he wear apa

[manic lichen]

Quintis never saw Maximus as a son he was just abusing Maximus’s orphan insecurity and need for a father figure

[outer iris]

idk drink a redbull or something

[foggy apex]

That gives you wings not legs

[signal knoll]

drink enough and the heart attack you get will give you real wings

[hasty olive]

I'm well aware - and this could have been much better built upon with more scenes instead of the compelling relationship being ruined in 1 scene lmao

[foggy apex]

Or drag you down in a lot of peoples cases

[manic lichen]

it wasn’t ruined you bot

[tender spindle]

Quintus should have T-61 power armor, a new series of PA that was mass produced right before the Great War that we just haven’t seen before

[foggy apex]

What compelling relationship. The whole thing was him using Maximus lmao

[manic lichen]

Exactly lmao

[signal knoll]

"there's no light, all i see is fire"

[outer iris]

invented 2 milliseconds before the great war and there are actually billions of suits scattered across the wasteland

[hasty olive]

yeah that's what got me invested bro and they screwed it over because of 1 scene

[signal knoll]

like bro wdym, t-61 armor always existed

[manic lichen]

Who wants to bet that when Coop goes up to the Lucky 38 it’s gonna be Yes Man

[opal tiger]

Are you okay?

[foggy apex]

They didnt screw it up just because you have the media literacy of a spoon

[signal knoll]

i just won 10 air bucks from someone else so how about that

[opal tiger]

I'll bet you money that Yes Man is non-existent in the show. lol

[signal knoll]

this season has been a bit of a let down tbh

[tender spindle]

Yeah, at most there’ll just be a reference

[hasty olive]

not gonna lie these insults are starting to get creative lmao

[manic lichen]

I think I get what you mean but you’re saying it wrong, are you saying that scene was a bad scene or are you saying you wished they expanded on their relationship more and this was too short of a conclusion

[hasty olive]

you actually made me cackle irl so congrats on that

[short bobcat]

Imagine at the end of the show they go to the sea to "Escape" fallout america and as they enter europes sea a battleship appears and speaks with a loudspeaker "This is the ISS Marto of the European Commonwealth" And fired apon the shows ship and blew it up with a cruise missle

[opal tiger]

Yeah, at most it'll be a small cameo or reference. They're building way too much with House for him not to be alive.

[tender spindle]

Yes Man was hiding below the Tops Casino for 15 years and becomes a side character

[hasty olive]

it wasn't a bad scene at all, I am saying the latter exactly

[manic lichen]

They aren’t gonna show House cuz House is dead

[foggy apex]

The house never loses

[signal knoll]

hi guys, i've been here doing fuck all for 15yrs

[manic lichen]

Ok I get what you’re saying. Your wording made it seem like you were saying the writing was bad

[outer iris]

yall think the show will include the beer gun from freeside?

[foggy apex]

Uhhhhh, you know bro was in a coma for like 60 years right. It’s not new

[short bobcat]

No.

[opal tiger]

Victor can't be alive if House is dead my guy.

[signal knoll]

i didn't even know that existed

[manic lichen]

I agree the pacing has been pretty fast

[outer iris]

fucking terrible show

[hasty olive]

IT WAS a fine conclusion but it was WAY too fucking early and they got me invested in one episode just to ruin it in the next so what's the point

[open rampart]

Quintus taught him better than this.

He was gonna kill Thaddeus

[manic lichen]

that’s the mystery right. But house is definitely dead

[outer iris]

thad is unkillable

[hasty olive]

yeah and I apparently have the media literacy of a spoon now 😭

[foggy apex]

Only cus Thaddeus was gonna tell on him

[manic lichen]

Nah you don’t. I understand your perspective now

[signal knoll]

quintus = 5 in latin or some shit-----> maximus was 5 when the nukes dropped. Connection made

[foggy apex]

When he thought Thaddeus was turning into a ghoul he told him to leave and he’d distract them

[opal tiger]

It's not really a mystery, only House or Yes Man can operate the network - if House is dead, Victor can't be alive, if Yes Man is in charge. Victor also can't be alive.

[manic lichen]

They can retcon things

[foggy apex]

He’s never been in on the ‘kill all mutants’ thing when it comes to ghouls

[hasty olive]

Why wouldn't Victor be alive

[opal tiger]

They aren't gonna retcon that though.

[manic lichen]

Also victor is just a piece of technology, someone else could’ve figured out how to control him. It’s not unbelievable someone else could’ve figured it out

[opal tiger]

Victor is an extension of House's network. He explains this to you in-game.

[signal knoll]

fnv reddit fans would be in an uproar

[hasty olive]

Victor is a programmed personality/software that jumps from securitron to securitron, he can't die

[opal tiger]

He's a program that's extended through the network. lol

[hasty olive]

The only way Victor dies is if House's network goes offline or all securitrons get killed

[manic lichen]

again, house’s network is just a piece of technology. Someone else could’ve figured out how to fix it

[signal knoll]

victor is chill, let him be

[manic lichen]

exactly house doesn’t need to be alive that’s only in game

[north rose]

okie dokie

[manic lichen]

you can’t always connect game logic to game lore

[hasty olive]

house's network never goes offline though, unless you side with the ncr or legion which is clearly not what happened

[signal knoll]

artichokie

[manic lichen]

If we are going off game logic grandma sparkle is the most powerful being in Fallout cuz she crashes ur game

[north rose]

its actually kinda impressive how theyre dodging the fate of fnv

despite us being 4 episodes in i got no clue as to the ending of fnv

[signal knoll]

ncr got their asses handed to them

[manic lichen]

That’s the point, they specifically don’t wanna canonize anything

[signal knoll]

legion got their asses handed to them

[hasty olive]

this is why if you kill victor he'll pop up later again, he jumps from securitron to securitron

[manic lichen]

literally Todd told the team they have to avoid the games and can’t canonize endings

they will never canonize a game ending cuz that ruins the whole point of an RPG

[signal knoll]

ya then this is gonna be a shit season then. Dancing around an ending doing jack the entire time

[hasty olive]

well thank god for that

[manic lichen]

Not really

The ending of FNV doesn’t really affect the show anyway

[hasty olive]

it might fuck up the show a bit if they really have to avoid any canon ending but you know, atleast fnv will remain intact

[opal tiger]

For clarification, this is what was said.

[signal knoll]

they've alr killed the most sacred thing, the king. there is no reason to not make an ending canon now

[north rose]

idk though, being a people pleaser will end up with no one pleased

people also play rpgs because they want to feel like they make a difference

[short bobcat]

TWLIGHT SPARKLE?

[manic lichen]

Even if you sided with House in the game, he could’ve died afterwards some other way

[manic lichen]

EXACTLY

[foggy apex]

It’s literally a lose either way. If they make endings canon people will whine that the way they want to do things isn’t canon, if they don’t people will complain that it ultimately doesn’t matter and isn’t relevent to the games

[opal tiger]

This is also true.

[manic lichen]

Just cuz characters are dead, doesn’t mean it was because of any choices in the game.

[signal knoll]

rather make smth canon, they alr did it for fo4 and 3

[opal tiger]

Kimball died in Shady Sands, anyway lmao

[manic lichen]

In that 15 years anything could’ve happened with or without the Courier 6

[foggy apex]

It’s a nuclear wasteland , things happen

[vapid owl]

I think they’ve done a good job at keeping it ambiguous

[opal tiger]

Caesar died to his cancer

[manic lichen]

Did they?

[opal tiger]

yes

[high latch]

They kinda didn't, we can just extrapolate things given what they've shown us elsewhere

[foggy apex]

F4 removes endings from being possible in 3 in canon

[manic lichen]

Yeah cuz fallout fans are as bad as Star wars fans

[north rose]

"being a people pleaser will end up with no one pleased"

fnv is touchy because theres 4 difference factions and if you follow through with one ending then you turn 3/4s of the fandom against you

but if you do, well, this, then no one is pleased because fnv is an rpg where you literally play kingmaker

[signal knoll]

well fo4 has to have the bos alive so ya fo3 has a canon, and fo4 bos seem pretty healthy rn

[outer iris]

he got stabbed by a freeside junkine and bled out because he was black out fuckin drunk

[manic lichen]

Yeah but if they canonize an ending, people that like the other endings are gonna be pissed

[high latch]

They never say "the BOS destroyed the institute" they just say the BOS, which is destroyed in 2 of the game's 4 endings, is alive

[manic lichen]

FACTS

[outer iris]

fuck em, the elder scrolls is allowed to canonize endings so fallout should be able too aswell

[opal tiger]

Yes, but Bethesda never outright said what's canon. We're just assuming based on the choices we've made in-game.

[foggy apex]

4 basically makes any ending in 3 that has the bos lose or die off non canon because they have to survive and thrive to get to Boston and leave a massive force in dc

[upbeat citrus]

And so is Elder Maxson.

[manic lichen]

All that means is that the sole survivor didn’t nuke the prydwen, everything else could be canon

[foggy apex]

That means the enclave ending is implicitly non canon

[high latch]

We can apply a similar process to NV, the most likely ending RN is house or yes man because the legion and NCR endings involve the total demolition of regional forces

[manic lichen]

How does fo3 have a canon

[opal tiger]

Yeah, Elder Maxson being alive and the Prydwen being there in S1 just makes it 2 of the 4 endings.

[signal knoll]

you kill the prydwyen in every ending other than the bos one

[still vigil]

Because people are still alive in dc

[manic lichen]

Not true

[north rose]

fallout 3 and 4 has it better;

fallout 3, well, the enclave are literally the bad guys and it was kinda obvious that bos ending is canon

Fallout 4; well, railroad fans already understand that they're probably not winning, and the Institute is played up as the bad guy, so the endings were obviously gonna end up as either the Bos or the Minutemen.

but fnv? every faction has their case

[signal knoll]

the bos are alive, not dead.

[high latch]

It's optional in the Minutemen ending but they probably didn't go that route

[manic lichen]

In the minutemen ending you don’t have to.

[foggy apex]

The enclave ending was never gonna be canon anyway but 4 confirmed it

[opal tiger]

Yeah

[manic lichen]

I guess that’s fair but they aren’t gonna canonize anything in the show

[fresh garnet]

I'm honestly not even sure this is going to be true. It wouldn't surprise me if this was their social media-trained choice to try and avoid people being upset. I don't actually think they're unaware that Maxson and the Prydwen does seem to canonize a FO4 ending.

[manic lichen]

They might canonize things in the games but not the show

[opal tiger]

I'll be honest, it's PR bullshit.

[high latch]

House has always made the most sense as the canon ending if they had to choose one imo

[foggy apex]

The existence of the prydwyn means endings that require it to be nuked cannot be canon

[still vigil]

No lol

[signal knoll]

wha- what?

[manic lichen]

It doesn’t canonize anything, it just means some endings aren’t.

[high latch]

The show is more canon than the games arguably

[still vigil]

They have already canonized many things

[north rose]

ncr has a case, legion has a case, and hell independent also has a case too though

[foggy apex]

The show is canon to the games

[manic lichen]

Yeah but it doesn’t mean the sole survivor sided with the BoS, he could’ve done minutemen ending

[opal tiger]

I don't necessarily mean it's bad, but they're aware of everything. Their choices are deliberate, they'll pick an ending without necessarily saying it outright themselves.

[fresh garnet]

It may end up being the case that this 'fog of war' was like, light for S1, and dissipating as S2 goes on, and by S3 they actually choose to fully remove that and just directly canonize some things so they have better ground to stand on moving forward with both the show and (future) games

[high latch]

House preserves the most narrative potential and keeps everyone alive, just in a different situation than before

[manic lichen]

They won’t

[opal tiger]

The BOS alliance is optional though, not the default.

[still vigil]

I think the fog of war thing is just a smoke screen for hate, they have an ending but allow others to cope and made it a little confusing on purpose. There is a canon ending to nv

[north rose]

"keeps everyone alive" doesnt he literally tell you to destroy the bos

[fresh garnet]

that's what they've done so far already

[manic lichen]

Again, minutemen is the best ending to canonize if they do because it’s the most neutral

[signal knoll]

lets be honest guys, would you rather go with a faction with one member, or an power armored army

[opal tiger]

Yeah, i've been saying this for a while.

[high latch]

Everyone except the NV chapter yes

[manic lichen]

nothing in fnv has been canonized really

[fresh garnet]

I sort of doubt they'll fully canonize things later on, but it also woudln't surprise me

[still vigil]

Canonizing the neutral thing is dumb as fuck

[foggy apex]

If Xander was actually Bos then minutement alliance with Bos is canon

[north rose]

some people would rather play king than play kingmaker

[high latch]

The BOS dying is the only hard criteria of the house ending besides the implicitly obvious

[opal tiger]

I would disagree, but to each their own, the neutral concept is stupid af

[manic lichen]

There isn’t tho

[foggy apex]

We see both minutemen and bos emblems on his bag

[still vigil]

If house is alive house ending is canon

[signal knoll]

a few words, "ive got a settlement that needs your help"

[manic lichen]

See I’m right

[still vigil]

That’s not true, it’s crossed swords not muskets

[manic lichen]

I knew the minutemen neutral ending was canon I told everyone weeks ago

[still vigil]

Different logo

[signal knoll]

you realize the minutemen don't die in any ending, right?

[opal tiger]

Nothing says the MM is canon?

[manic lichen]

House isn’t alive

[faint saddle]

So the map we see in the bos HQ in area 51 has a bunch of locations with names from Van Buren

[high latch]

House might not be alive it's not actually clear

[manic lichen]

Yeah but why would the brotherhood partner with the minutemen if the minutemen weren’t powerful

[signal knoll]

as far as we know the mm are kicking

[high latch]

We need more information but Victor is at best sketchy as far as sources go

[north rose]

definitely not canon, the map was likely just a placeholder

[manic lichen]

The only way the minutemen get powerful enough to partner up with the BoS is in the minutemen ending

[signal knoll]

they aren't, nothing says they have partnered

[still vigil]

Ow much do you want to bet

[faint saddle]

[opal tiger]

This is headcanon, we have zero evidence to suggest the MM teamed up with the BOS. lol

[still vigil]

If it’s in the show it’s canon

[manic lichen]

I put that on everything

[signal knoll]

the only way the mm get powerful, there is no way the minutemen "get powerful"

[manic lichen]

Ik but im saying its the most likely conclusion

[still vigil]

Okay lol I’ll ping you in two weeks

[opal tiger]

Yeah. It's the highest authority in terms of canon choices.

[manic lichen]

Ur gonna be sad when im right

[opal tiger]

There's zero chance they spend a whole season adding context to Robert House - only for him to be dead in the end of the season.

[signal knoll]

Ur gonna be sad when we're right

[still vigil]

We have literally seen his screen still active unlike when he is killed

[north rose]

thats was literally pre war

[still vigil]

It literally wasn’t

[manic lichen]

In a trailer which could’ve been edited to be a red herring

[signal knoll]

why set up a dead character

[north rose]

nvm mb

[manic lichen]

Trailers aren’t canon, many things do fake trailers to cover up a twist

[still vigil]

Okay lol keep up the cope

[manic lichen]

YOURE GONNA BE SAD WHEN IM RIGHT BRO

[opal tiger]

You are delusional consindering nothing in the trailers has been a red herring so far. You're trying to sit there and logically say that the House screen specifically is a Red herring????

[manic lichen]

house is DEAD and I put that on everything

[opal tiger]

I'll ping you when you're wrong. lol

[blissful iron]

Besides, how would it be interesting if he’s dead with a golf club lodged in his skull?

[manic lichen]

Bet

[north rose]

fam i hate to break it with you but we literally see a securitron mk 2 in ep3

[opal tiger]

It wouldn't, people's media literacy is beyond fucked.

[fresh garnet]

quick let's go setup one of those betting pools for if he's alive or dead lol

[manic lichen]

I’m not gonna be wrong.

[still vigil]

Imagine being just a show fan and they introduce this guy for 7 episodes then go, “oh yeah he’s already dead forget about that whole plot”

[signal knoll]

They're no reason to argue this anymore, we just have to wait

[opal tiger]

Ignoring the fact they went through the notion of canonizing his Securitron Upgrades.

[manic lichen]

The whole point is that Coop is being a fool chasing a revenge from 200 years ago. Hes gonna find house is dead already and feel the emptiness

[still vigil]

Okay lol

[opal tiger]

What the fuck? lol

[manic lichen]

makes way more sense that way

[still vigil]

No it does not

[manic lichen]

why would they keep house alive just for Coop to have the hero moment and kill him with a one liner

[tender spindle]

I’ve seen people say that the House scene in the trailer is a flashback, but idk

[still vigil]

He isn’t gonna kill him

[vast wasp]

Its in the show

[manic lichen]

yeah cuz he’s already DEAD

[opal tiger]

It's not a flashback it's a post-war scene.

[blissful iron]

At least give the guy a fitting send off if he’s gonna die this season.

[manic lichen]

hes already dead I swear to you

[still vigil]

He’s a ghoul and has the exact same missing spots of ammo in his bandolier

[tender spindle]

Post-war as in Mojave war? I’m aware it’s not pre-war, I mean to when he was working for House at some point

[manic lichen]

Literally a trailer btw

[opal tiger]

Thank you.

[still vigil]

Its current with the show

[signal knoll]

With a pic OF HIM

[manic lichen]

also that’s just a screen too, doesn’t mean the body is alive

[opal tiger]

Everything in the trailers so far has been in show, stop lying.

[north rose]

man i guess starbucks really did take off in westeros huh

[fresh garnet]

He's literally moving in the trailer lmao

[signal knoll]

Screen does when he dies

[manic lichen]

Not lying he’s dead 1000000000%

[viral tree]

i doubt its a flashback, in new vegas they make a big thing about how the courier is the first person to enter the lucky 38 probably since the great war

[blissful iron]

Besides, wasn’t the Courier the first person to enter the 38 post-war? How would that work unless Coop visited House sometime after Hoover Dam but before Vegas went to shit?

[manic lichen]

So what it’s just a game thing

[viral tree]

and if house is dead he woudlve died soon after or during the events of new vregas

[tender spindle]

Yeah I was about to say

[still vigil]

If you look at his bandolier it’s missing the bullets he used on the BOS in season 1

[opal tiger]

I'm saying when House is on screen, that's when Cooper is a ghoul, it runs parrellel to him meeting House pre-war, same vibe, just at different times.

[fresh garnet]

trailers absolutely are sometimes edited specifically or even have fake/new scenes in there or things edited out. But so far we haven't seen the show do this before and there's no reason to think it is now

[opal tiger]

Brother is in denial, I will laugh when you're proven wrong and you disappear like a ghost cause you won't admit it lol

[manic lichen]

Anyway I’m gonna go play fallout 3, ping me when you’re wrong and I’m right

[signal knoll]

The showrunners care about detail

[opal tiger]

Yeah this is my point, they haven't done it yet, i have no reason to believe it's a red herring.

[fresh garnet]

The parallels between pre-war and post-war things is also like, a huge part of all of the show as a whole.

[manic lichen]

Exactly. And that shot SPECIFCSLLY looks edited, there’s barely any rendering on House 😭😭

[opal tiger]

I agree, it can't really be ignored

[still vigil]

I think we get pre war house at end of this next ep, with vault dwellers and deathclaw fight. Next episode after will be post war house and more pre war house with Hank scenes

[signal knoll]

Read the entire statement please

[manic lichen]

idc

[tender spindle]

Not sure we’re on the same page. I know Coop is a ghoul here, the flashback theory is based on the information we have that he worked for House a few decades ago and met him. I don’t necessarily believe it, just pointing it out lol.

[open rampart]

What bag? This is the 3rd time I’ve seen someone say this

[manic lichen]

Come back when I’m right

[still vigil]

I have never seen anyone cope this hard

[signal knoll]

Disregarding facts to fit your narrative

[manic lichen]

it’s not a fact lol the episode hasn’t released yet

[signal knoll]

It's a fantasy

[manic lichen]

you’re speculating just like I am

[fresh garnet]

It's one thing to speculate based on what has been setup so far and shown in trailers

[tender spindle]

Will say that the screen House uses has an eerie vibe to it, I like the look in the show.

[fresh garnet]

And its' another to speculate while trying to mostly ignore all of that

[manic lichen]

I’m speculating based upon common sense on how writing works

[high latch]

We don't know the situation with house until we know the situation with house

[signal knoll]

Hallucinating more like it

[high latch]

Common sense and writing do not work in fixed, consistent ways

[manic lichen]

bitch you’re just as in the dark as I am 😭😭

[signal knoll]

At least I'm rational

[manic lichen]

you’re falling for the bait bro

[fresh garnet]

part of it is also that if you were'nt being so set in saying you're objective and certain and everyone else is wrong, I think people would care less. You keep insisting you're right...so people will challenge that.

[tender spindle]

Calm down kiddos

[manic lichen]

that’s the good writing doing it’s job

[manic lichen]

I’m just happy the show is good enough to be able to have discussions like this. Signs that a show is generationally good

[still vigil]

Good writing doesn’t mean “how many twist can we do” that’s the opposite

[blissful iron]

I mean, it’s entirely possible House has a golf club lodged in his head and whatever’s on that screen is Yes-Man LARP’ing as House or some AI brain scan from before the War. But how would you explain Yes Man to the newcomers who didn’t play NV?

[manic lichen]

the fact that we can all get into it like this means the show is written well and we are invested

[fresh garnet]

I do agree with this statement entirely, even if I disagree with your other speculation haha

[still vigil]

Anything with house dead would be way too complicated for non gamers

[manic lichen]

it’s not gonna be yes man either, it’s gonna be something completely different

[blissful iron]

Or for all we know, who we potentially killed in NV was the body double and the real deal isn’t even in the Mojave.

[fresh garnet]

Show's not perfect, but it is quite good. Likely the best video game adaptation besides uh only S1 of The Last of Us. I'm glad we have a show in this universe that continues what has made Fallout interesting and kept all of us around to begin with.

[high latch]

damn that body double was committed to the role

[manic lichen]

They aren’t gonna say EHEN he was killed

If he is dead that doesn’t mean The Courier did it. Someone/something else could’ve

[high latch]

the courier is the only guy in 200 years to get inside the lucky 38

[still vigil]

“Hey this new character we set up over 7 episodes… let’s make him be dead and never explain what and drop his story arc”

[blissful iron]

I know, that’s why said ‘potentially’.

[manic lichen]

They are gonna explain

[still vigil]

This is not explaining

[manic lichen]

Who said they weren’t gonna explain?

[manic lichen]

They don’t have to explain the details of his death, the fact he is dead already IS the important plot point to Coop’s story arc.

[still vigil]

“Hey don’t worry about this new character, he’s dead and cooper is sad” give grifter an Emmy

[high latch]

cooper would not be sad about house being dead he'd just be pissed off

[manic lichen]

Coop’s whole thing is he wants the revenge for himself, he wants to be the one to serve justice, and by making House dead already it complicates the character arc and gives an opportunity for evolution and ALSO doesn’t canonize anything

[still vigil]

There is a canon ending
And its house

[blissful iron]

Don’t forget Lucy making an awkward joke at House’s expense.

[manic lichen]

They are gonna explain more about House’s relation to all this but house isn’t alive

[opal tiger]

House had nothing to do with his family, it was Vault Tec, Coop even said House was the one who saved Vegas, not dropped the bombs.

[high latch]

we don't know what shared history house and cooper have but we do know moldaver was wrong about house's arsenal in vegas

[vast wasp]

Mr houses vtuber model

[still vigil]

“Hey my dad reads magazines made by a guy who looked like this”

[manic lichen]

House was in kahoots with Vault Tec

He wanted the bombs to drop, but he also satisfied his own interests by protecting his city

[high latch]

house dealt with vault tec but he kept his distance from VT/enclave past business dealings

[fading zodiac]

If maxson appears in the show I hope and 100% believe it’s gonna be Jon bernthal as the actor

[manic lichen]

House had a relation to the mesmotron project that Hank is doing now

except Hank believes House is still alive which he isn’t

[still vigil]

I hope he’s played by this guy 💀

[blissful iron]

Guy also called out the Vaults as well back in S1.

[fading zodiac]

Fr

[manic lichen]

Anyway I’ll hit yall up when I’m right

[opal tiger]

Yeah people don't understand that how you get information and edge over people is by pretending to be on their side. lol

[fading zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-frank-castle-haircut-gif-19326276

Jon bernthal would be the perfect choice for maxson in the show

[still vigil]

Make maxson scarily overweight and just mumbling about synths and abominations while shitting his diaper

[manic lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-gif-15449497793648793961

[high latch]

I'd rather they just lose contact with the east coast outright

[fading zodiac]

[manic lichen]

how bro felt after typing that

[blissful iron]

Plus, his entire damn plan in NV relied on the NCR not crapping out; how does what Hank pulled advance his plan, especially since the Strip is currently a second Quarry Junction.

[high latch]

leave the state of the commonwealth mostly ambiguous until they feel a need to bring them back up

[fading zodiac]

Give us more enclave content

Just like small groups like the regiments

[still vigil]

I can’t wait to see the legate leading a full legion army in the finale

[fading zodiac]

Like what was going on at that facility in s1

[fading zodiac]

Um sure

[high latch]

I want the enclave to BURN

[blissful iron]

Maybe the Enclave are signing Hank’s checks, so to speak? They of all people would have all the interest and even resources to want Shady Sands nuked that would intersect nicely with Hank’s plans.

[high latch]

season 3 should open up with the facility from season 1 being drowned in a tide of ghouls or something

[fading zodiac]

I don’t know how to tell you this but the ghoul made them kill each other in that one episode

Legion died right there in ep3/4

[high latch]

legion ain't dead

[fresh garnet]

as if kissing and making up isn't a thing

[still vigil]

Have you not seen the trailers?

[high latch]

they're in a bad spot but the legion definitely isn't gonna be written off that fast

[fading zodiac]

Idk that big bombs seems to show it

[night tide]

What facility?

[outer iris]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-upset-facepalm-gif-13908817

[still vigil]

We have seen like half of the legions scenes from trailers

[high latch]

that was just starting up the civil war

[fading zodiac]

The enclaves shall rise again we deserve more fan service

[high latch]

the one dogmeat + doctor came from

[rancid pine]

@sharp iris are you caought up on ep 4 ?

[still vigil]

The legate becomes the me Caesar and is shown with a large force following him

[high latch]

the enclave has too much fanservice the shi and unity need fanservice

[blissful iron]

By that logic, Quintus’s bunch should now be no more due to their infighting.

[opal tiger]

Probably only gonna get the Shi tbf lol

[opal tiger]

They probably won't survive long, it was their Airship that got shot down.

[high latch]

true, bethesda doesn't seem to like passive super mutants very much

[still vigil]

After the intro of pre war Chinese the shi would be easier to bring in

[outer iris]

https://tenor.com/view/bronn-of-blackwater-jerome-flynn-got-game-of-thrones-eyebrow-raise-gif-17014839

[opal tiger]

Which is a shame because we need more mutants.

[fading zodiac]

I just want to see x01 and x02 in live action is that hard to ask

[blissful iron]

Only one got shot down, the others were still shooting at each other last we saw.

[high latch]

watching someone in APA charge down someone in T-60 would go hard to be fair

[open rampart]

Wanting X02 over X03 is crazy

[opal tiger]

Yeah, the one that got shot down was quintus's though, his was the only one docked with Area 51, and it's the same one Max lands on to meet with Dane.

[tender spindle]

I just hope they use the FO2 APA design and not cat ears FO3 look

[high latch]

I wonder if quintus will sieze control over uhh
coronado? was it

[still vigil]

Fallout 4 creating club nuked enclave armor lore

[signal knoll]

Dane dead this season, she giving off dead vibes

[outer iris]

those aren't enclave armors

[still vigil]

Why is it called xo2

[high latch]

the one with the deceased elder at least

[outer iris]

the armor you know and love is Advanced Power Armor

[high latch]

experimental derivative of APA mk2 🤷

[blissful iron]

Enclave showing up to seize Vegas once everyone’s burnt out fighting each other maybe could work. Plenty of tech there for them to hijack.

[tender spindle]

They’re not enclave exclusive but they’re mostly associated with the enclave still. Don’t their soldiers use X-01 in 76?

[still vigil]

Xo2 is the current enclave pattern sadly according to fallout 4s shaky new lore

[outer iris]

ugh

since when is the enclave slop update canon? thats so silly lol

[vast wasp]

Unity is dead

[high latch]

did they change something with creation club canonicity in the last few weeks or something

[still vigil]

X denotes experimental in fallout and irl apa mk 1 and 2 are the names they should be

[high latch]

this is fine super mutants do not die of old age

[outer iris]

thats what im sayin, I always thought that the enclave shit was noncanon by virtue of being creation club slop

[tender spindle]

Yeah but there’s also barely any SM’s out west left

[opal tiger]

X-01, yes, but the Secret Service still operates under Enclave direction. I have to assume the SS reintroduction isn't just random given the heavy implications 76 has added with their lore so far.

[high latch]

there's still a good many, and we don't really have information about areas beyond california and vegas

[tender spindle]

I can’t imagine there’s more than a few hundred atp tbh

[outer iris]

yeah

the Masters army was in the thousands at its peak, its been through war and survival which has surely dwindled them down

[tender spindle]

We don’t got official numbers on the Unity’s size but it’s a few thousand tops, and that’s pushing it

[fading zodiac]

Ik APA mk1 and APA mk2

[tender spindle]

Which mostly got wrecked by the Vault Dweller or BoS

[blissful iron]

Appalachia would make a good base for a reborn Enclave to hole up in. Isolated region, automated nuke silos, existing Enclave bases in the area, the list goes on and on.

[opal tiger]

It's pesudo-canon, stuff that's verified and give promotion/authority by Bethesda typically is semi-canon. So bits of it probably are, some flavor of it is.
The issue with CC is figuring out which one Bethesda gives a fuck about and which ones they don't that are verified.

[high latch]

ultimately they don't need to show us a lot to still have the odd remnant present

[still vigil]

So the t-45 in the show was probably t-45a and the ones used in fallout 3 are t45d which may or may not be fully sized up

[tender spindle]

There’s the opportunity for Jacobstown to appear. Might get a Unity reference there.

[blissful iron]

Still would make it awkward for 76 players; being responsible for the Enclave’s reemergence at least in part just sounds weird even as a concept.

[opal tiger]

yeah, i imagine it was the t45-a

[outer iris]

wouldnt make much of a difference, all t-45s models are horseshit

[tender spindle]

Fuggg I forgot about the different subtypes of the armors lmao

[high latch]

the show one being t-45a would explain why it was total dogshit without compromising its apparent performance in 3/nv being still rather robust

[opal tiger]

Technically it would be MODUS, even though he's rogue, or it would be the SS. The 76ers would only be responsible for 'freeing' them more so than helping them grow. If that makes sense.

[still vigil]

Yeah it makes sense to me

[tender spindle]

Yeah honestly T-45 being as bad as it is in the show makes it hard to believe the BoS were that effective in 3 unless they had a better model

[outer iris]

well thats the thing, they weren't very effective lol

[still vigil]

Better model and not in sub zero temps

[opal tiger]

It would have to be because their model was superior, i can't imagine otherwise lol

[high latch]

the show seems to compromise some of the capabilities of power armor out of necessity, especially with range of motion and fielding heavier weapons

[still vigil]

It’s never considered that bad just not great in any of the games

[tender spindle]

Sure, but I doubt they were experiencing catastrophic malfunctions every mission

[high latch]

we're yet to see a power armor user operating an actually heavy weapon

[blissful iron]

MODUS being the new John Henry Eden of sorts to the remaining Enclave after their defeat in Fallout 3 could maybe work if set up properly.

[high latch]

yknow I think 1 AI president is enough of that trope

[opal tiger]

The only kicker would be how he fixed himself, cause we sure as shit do not fix him. lol

[high latch]

with the major hits its taken to high command the enclave should probably be fragmenting down to localized leadership at this point

[outer iris]

annoying considering its the armors singular purpose lol

[blissful iron]

True, I’m just spitballing here; it’d be an easy member berry if nothing else.

[tender spindle]

Well doesn’t Broken Steel establish there’s a unified high command somewhere in the wastes

[high latch]

I'm almost completely sure it's because of practical effects issues

[tender spindle]

I remember seeing a message from them to the MBC

[opal tiger]

I'm still not believing all of High Command is gone, I'm still convinced with 76 basically confirming there was a circle of heads in place, that they are out there - probably disconnected, or focused on their own objectives, but still.

[outer iris]

the brotherhood guys should be carrying heavy munitions and heavy weapons into battle, definitely a budget/practical thing tbh

[high latch]

they probably haven't found a way to make it all work cleanly

[opal tiger]

Yeah, i would agree it's a budget thing more than anything else.

[blissful iron]

There’s also the matter of Chicago potentially having an Enclave base too.

[high latch]

doesn't 76 go along with the oil rig being the center of the enclave at large

[opal tiger]

And Ohio.

[tender spindle]

Has there been a single energy weapon in this series

[outer iris]

as of the new season, yes

[high latch]

yeah, we finally saw one fire in this episode

[tender spindle]

I’m blanking

[opal tiger]

Max's laser pistol

[outer iris]

maximus carries a laser pistol

[high latch]

they were also around in season 1 they just weren't shot on screen until now

[outer iris]

yeah moldaver had one, but then she fucked off somewhere off screen

[high latch]

moldaver had one, the enclave guards had laser rifles

[crisp pollen]

i was so happy to see an energy weapon firing

[still vigil]

Mini gun to shoot the car

[opal tiger]

she didn't even fire it, just pointed

[high latch]

how did I forget about that

[tender spindle]

Also uh gonna bump this, because I remember it pretty vividly

[opal tiger]

yes, so does 76

[high latch]

it better not have oh my god

[opal tiger]

It's why i keep saying the Enclave is not dead. lol

[still vigil]

It’s fractured but there are still ranking officials alive

[high latch]

two dead enclaves later they're still keeping the enclave alive with more high commands

[tender spindle]

They send a message to the Mobile Base Crawler via a terminal

[opal tiger]

They've turned the Enclave into the MCU Hydra

[tender spindle]

Presumably the ones commanding them after Autumn died/went AWOL

[high latch]

I could at least understand the enclave having operational but cut off facilities

[still vigil]

Sam Altman was critical in the development of the enclaves 5th evil super ai

[outer iris]

enclave high command is in france truthnuke

[high latch]

but the enclave having a unified command at this point is a whole other issue

[still vigil]

Walking dead moment

[outer iris]

I stop watching the show for one season and daryls in fucking france

[blissful iron]

I swear, the Enclave could put the Great Khans to shame in sheer cockroachness.

[opal tiger]

I say unified loosely, they probably all have a huge command over portions of the Enclave, but they probably don't actively unite together often, or at all.

[tender spindle]

I feel like everyone forgets about that terminal in BS whenever the enclave is brought up because that basically confirmed there’s more out there lmao

[still vigil]

I can’t believe people got mad at him saying cockroaches

[opal tiger]

People just don't want the Enclave to be a consistent threat

[high latch]

it's a pretty small copout from bethesda compared to the oil rig housing the president and having contact with all enclave facilities and raven rock also having a president and such

[opal tiger]

But the lore bits are there confirming the Enclave has huge facilities through America, ones we haven't seen.

[outer iris]

Enclave and Great Khans are the token "go bully the fuck out of them" factions, but they always come back like dorks lmao

my favorite fictional punching bags

[crisp pollen]

the enclave actually took over the whole world and nuked the US and they're doing the biggest experiment of all by monitoring a whole continent that believes everyone in the world is dead and or also a wasteland

[tender spindle]

Beating up the Enclave is fun but with the Khans it’s just sad

[outer iris]

that lore would work if not for the fact that NATO and the middle east wiped themselves out before the great war

[high latch]

that one chinese submarine captain arriving in coastal china and finding new washington where beijing was

[rancid pine]

someone said f4 bos ending was cannon cus the ship , i wanted to say that both in the show and the game the ship are blown up , its mad random but idk just saying fallout 4 cannon ending unsure iguess

[still vigil]

Nah they suck in 1

[blissful iron]

And I’d rather not be still fighting them in Fallout 10 and they pull another super secret bunker out of their keister. Hopefully they’re finished off by the end of the show or in Fallout 5.

[high latch]

different ship in the show

[tender spindle]

They do, but by NV they’re miserable lol

[crisp pollen]

damn didn't the middle east get blowed up by europe though?

[opal tiger]

The ship blown up in the show is not the Prydwen

[high latch]

that would probably be the NATO in question

[outer iris]

nato split apart and bombs started flying, along with the war against the middle east. They essentially just glassed each other into craters

[tender spindle]

Middle East bombed itself iirc

[outer iris]

mostly over oil and resources

[tender spindle]

Tel Aviv was nuked by terrorists

[opal tiger]

I don't think they'll be mainline enemies often, is the thing. Maybe once ore twice more potentially, but i 100% see them being just another faction thats there - you can assist or kill them.

[high latch]

that's kinda hard to do with the enclave

[outer iris]

it will make no sense to assist the enclave

[high latch]

they don't do many things that aren't mass genocide (at least so far)

[opal tiger]

Brother it makes no sense to assist them in Fallout 3, but the option is there. That's my point, lol

[outer iris]

unless they use the shitty fanfic that enclave fans always use of them turning good, which they then cease to be the enclave lol

[still vigil]

A less extreme version in a very extreme wasteland wheee they are the best option would be cool

Still mega racists but make the wasteland super shit

[outer iris]

oh ya to that extent of them using you I could see that, I thought he suggested joining them lmao

[high latch]

this would just loop around to being the brotherhood but with even better and even more technology

[opal tiger]

No, im not saying join them. I'm saying the option to do things for them - to the extent of the Outcasts, or similar to Fallout 3, is probably what will happen.

[still vigil]

A fake out game where you start as a vault dweller who gets drafted by the enclave at the start would be sick

[blissful iron]

And for crying out loud, they shouldn’t be a second Brotherhood who can pull Vertibirds and airship equivalents out of their ass. They should be more regional/local in threat, not some secret continent-spanning Illuminati secretly pulling everyone’s strings since Fallout 3.

[high latch]

2

even now they've been the main antagonist for half of the mainline games

[still vigil]

I wish fallout 5 didn’t have to be in the future, do spinoffs from 2077-2290 in new regions

[blissful iron]

3 was when they last popped up outside of old folks in NV, one dude in Far Harbor, and Creation Club stuff.

[high latch]

true

there was an enclave dude in far harbor? must've missed that

[opal tiger]

I don't really see the enclave like the Brotherhood. I imagine the missions would be morally fucked, and designed for evil playthroughs. Again it's an RPG, having them as an option doesn't really hurt the game. It didn't hurt Fallout 3 - it's just unlikely Bethesda makes the Enclave the canon ending.

[opal tiger]

Yes, one of the Children of Atom, he's a former Enclave soldier.

[blissful iron]

Richter, I believe; guy was with the Children of Atom.

[high latch]

huh ok

he had a turnaround about the value of radiation

[still vigil]

I want more factions with toilet paper

I hate having to live in shacks I’m rich

Give me a bidet

[tender spindle]

This is why you should join House

He’ll give you a bidet free of charge

[high latch]

I wonder if house would start upgrading the bathrooms in a community he wanted to assert control of passively

[blissful iron]

Maybe we should cycle back to the show, though.

[high latch]

they're building up to cooper trying to kill house, right? and evidently somehow preventing him from getting cold fusion instead

[opal tiger]

Anyway, House is alive. I'll die on that hill, they won't waste Millions on Justin Theroux only for him to be killed off.

[high latch]

unless they just want house to be another moldaver-esque figure who only shows up in flashbacks that is

[opal tiger]

No, i think Coop is undecided if he will or not. He knows moldaver wants him too, and he's going to Vegas. I don't think he will kill him. There's a bunch of scenes of Coop and Robert working together.

[blissful iron]

Agreed; guy’s too iconic to kill off off-screen.

[high latch]

some grand message about the ghoul living in the past

I still wanna know where hank got a nuke

[still vigil]

Cooper is very on the fence, he still thinks it’s crazy but sees it as the morally correct option

[still vigil]

Vault tec hq with the fev

[opal tiger]

Which is why i think he sabotages the cold fusion deal.

[high latch]

oh right they're doing fev soon too

[opal tiger]

yes

[still vigil]

Why did the do 3am est releases again?

[high latch]

maybe trying to stagger out people watching it a bit

[blissful iron]

Wouldn’t be the first time House got screwed over by subordinates or random variables no one could’ve accounted for.

[opal tiger]

Yeah, it's the safest option too, plus it would give Cooper some level of regret cause maybe things could've played out better, who knows.

[blissful iron]

Especially if he only found out the truth of what House was up to after it was too late to change his mind.

[tender spindle]

What do we think House is up to anyways

[opal tiger]

not much, i genuinely think he's trapped.

[tender spindle]

Besides trying to mind control people

[opal tiger]

Exactly, cause you see Coop's face, when Victor calls him out on it.

[blissful iron]

Waiting for someone to get these Deathclaws evicted from the premises posthaste?

Guy can’t presumably really do much until then.

[tender spindle]

True, but I mean like what was his grander scheme in the past. Just getting cold fusion? Perhaps he was developing the mind control chips to use on the other corporate figureheads?

[blissful iron]

Maybe cold fusion was something he needed in addition to the Platinum Chip? Something to keep his systems from overloading and risking putting him in a coma.

Can’t rely on only the 38’s reactor to reliably power his entire defense system.

[opal tiger]

His grander scheme was to make Vegas a beacon for human civilization. He wanted automation, he wanted to expand the railways so that they can reach other cities outside of Vegas, and more people can come to it - to live, experience, or gamble - whatever they wanted.
I think Cold Fusion would benefit the Platinum Chip. I think it was more like. The Platinum Chip was for his Network/Security systems(which we know he got) Cold Fusion would be limitless energy and probably extend outside the strip and he could construct towns and stuff connected to it that could possibly get energy, too.

We see how Cold Fusion operates, even destroyed, or barely functional buildings get full power - when Moldaver plugs it in.

[tender spindle]

How does the mind control fit into all of this

Just give him more power over his enemies?

[opal tiger]

I think people are still caught up on House using the Mind control device in episode 1, I think the only tie the Mind control device is, is that House created it, i think it's LONG be out of his posession. I think the Mind control device is more tied to Vault Tec, or Hank(Whoever he's working for - it could be House, but house himself, seemingly abandoned the project.)

[blissful iron]

And depending on where this Vault-Tec facility Hank is in, maybe House had a good reason to seal up most of Vault 21 with concrete.

Can’t let anyone get ahold of that research.

Always wondered if there was more to that whole matter than met the eye.

[opal tiger]

If house would use it, it would strictly be for labor. I don't think House genuinely cares what people do in their spare time as long as it doesn't undermine him. Which so far has been true.
I imagine it probably would've been for effiency sake. If he was super serious about delving back into aerospace innovation. You would need people working industry around the clock. An effect way to do that would be having the device control you for 8-12 hours a day for your shift etc etc.

[opal tiger]

I agree, too. There was a cut content access way Benny used down there, i think

[fresh crown]

I just realized that none of Norms people likely have guns

[opal tiger]

Nope !

[fresh crown]

Those poor poor saps are gonna get so annihilated by the first raider group they find

[blissful iron]

You’d first need to rebuild the knowledge and logistical base for such a venture too. Mind control can’t get you new scientists and engineers for REPCONN, after all.

[opal tiger]

No, I agree, im just saying IF there was a use for the mind control device, that would be it.

[fresh crown]

At least Vault 33 had some smg's but all Norms group has fr are maybe some degrees in business management and administration 😭

[tender spindle]

He should hire guys like Fantastic. Theoretical degrees in physics are valuable.

[opal tiger]

On House's end, at least.

[blissful iron]

And that’s assuming House managed to get the head exploding kinks out of the tech before the War.

[opal tiger]

Yeah, i don't think he did, which is why he abandoned it.

And Vault Tec picked it up. Or continued it without him knowing. But he knew the tech was down there, so he sealed it off, just incase.

[blissful iron]

Hence why Hank’s been cooped up in the facility testing mice and humans; dude’s eventually going to run out of the humans in cryopods at the rate he’s going.

Wonder if his next step would be to use Freeside as his backup source of test subjects.

[opal tiger]

Yeah, that's what i think.

[outer iris]

Finally, freesiders are going to get what they deserved

Big ups for the freeside hate squad

[short bobcat]

Legion VS Arroyo Cailfornian Reclamation Committee

Long live arroyo

[tender spindle]

Chosen One oneshots

[short bobcat]

Chosen One and NCR Courier VS Ceasar

[tender spindle]

Okay not fair

[short bobcat]

Courier goes to novac and snaps in nobarks face and nobark turns back into the chosen one

[tender spindle]

Really this should be Chosen One vs Legion Courier…

[short bobcat]

Chosen One(that was nobark) and NCR Courier + Arcade VS Ceasar/Lanius/12 pretorians and vuples

[still vigil]

The chose one is like 80 now

[short bobcat]

Have you met nobark?

[still vigil]

I don’t think it’s him

[opal tiger]

Nah they found the Institute de-aging tech, trust, they're still 20ish

[tender spindle]

Chosen could be in their 50’s-60’s. Think you can go as young as 16 in FO2, right?

[still vigil]

It’s 2296

[short bobcat]

Crashed highway man near novac + nobark is in novac

[urban mulch]

theres no way life expectancy can reach 80 in the wasteland

[opal tiger]

no they'd be older im p sure

[still vigil]

Fallout 2 is 2241

[short bobcat]

Maybe in the NCR

[tender spindle]

Oh I’m talking about in the NV timeframe

[still vigil]

The no bark theory is funny but beyond super spotty

[tender spindle]

Blud Tandi was like in her 90’s lmao

[short bobcat]

Nobark realizing that the legion wont let him do warcrimes and shyt so he needs to lock tf in

[still vigil]

Tandi was a bad bitch tho

[short bobcat]

courier showed nobark enclave PA and he realized his legacy

[short bobcat]

Even ceasar respects tandi called her the queen of the ncr

[still vigil]

Queen shit fr fr