EPISODE 4

[lilac drum]

But like i said
It is BASED on a ranger helmet
I did not state that they just shoved an entire ranger helmet into the power armor and made it work

[still vigil]

Making a steel frame for power armor parts wouldn’t be hard for an average welder lol

[scenic tundra]

Can someone explain how there's a Deathclaw pre-bomb? They weren't a product of radiation?

[foggy apex]

He’ll raiders do it and this is like 4x as well put together

[lilac drum]

FEV

[foggy apex]

No they’ve always been prewar bio weapons

[fresh shoal]

Hohoho… you sweet summer child.

[tough viper]

they need to just wrap up the vault arc like immediately. just inject them wtih FEV by the end of next ep preferably

[still vigil]

Modified implies they took an existing helmet and changed it

[foggy apex]

This is basically jsut confirmation they were actually deployed at any point , which we didn’t know

[lilac drum]

and i meant is they took a base helmet and made a new one that works for power armor

[thorn veldt]

#1447298012459171921 message

[still vigil]

Okay then we agree and just are arguing about semantics

All good

[foggy apex]

Radiation and ferality over generations likely changed them a bit but they were what they are pre war

[lilac drum]

Yes but lets argue some more just for the sake of arguing

[still vigil]

It is the fallout server after all

[flint yoke]

Deathclaws are US army superweapons deployed in China

[lilac drum]

Yes indeed

[scenic tundra]

Gotcha gotcha. Very interesting.

[still vigil]

Quick somebody say slavery is okay

[foggy apex]

We can assume that as they bred in the wild they lost the sensory recognition that Americans are friendlier

[scenic tundra]

That makes sense why it didn't attack Cooper then.

[thorn veldt]

didnt someone say the review complaints for episode 4 and 5 was too much vault stuff which makes me assume there's more vault stuff in 5

[flint yoke]

Child slavery gives them purpose

[lilac drum]

Wrong channel for this one XD

[fresh shoal]

I wonder if China is Oops! All Deathclaws! now…

[still vigil]

I don’t think we ever had proof they could

[real shuttle]

Not for the legion...

[foggy apex]

Well they’d have to else they’d be kinda bad weapons to use on American soil

[flint yoke]

Oh no they're uncontrollable monsters, he just got lucky that one time

[fresh shoal]

Maybe Goris went to China 😢

[still vigil]

The enclave needs mind control to keep them from killing pwople

[lilac drum]

Fair enough

[foggy apex]

How do we tell bro

[still vigil]

They are using it on an island not the mainland for a reason

[real shuttle]

I'd genuinely forgotten about the mind control plot.

[tough viper]

hopefully their demise

[thorn veldt]

I like the canon of ferals not attacking sentient ghouls still being there btw, I love that cooper just tips his hat to the feral ghoul kings

[flint yoke]

In the original deep lore, the US dropped dozens of Deathclaws into mainland China which destroyed their country so quickly they fired all the nukes in retaliation

[foggy apex]

Man misinfo spreads so fast . I can see why Twitter still reigns

[fresh shoal]

I dunno maybe they were originally bred only to eat Chinese food. 🍲

[lilac drum]

Dont worry
Hank is busying being apaterus science and throwing crap in the wall and somehow expecting results

[fresh shoal]

Oops! All Deathclaws

[tough viper]

thats like the only plot im invested into beyond the chekov's NCR

[fresh shoal]

200 years later and there are no Chinese left in China

[thorn veldt]

Not all, there's the intelligent ones the enclave made, problem is they unionised, damn pinkos

[flint yoke]

Hank needs more mouse bites to live

[fresh shoal]

Only Deathclaws

[foggy apex]

Deathclaws aren’t uncontrollable monsters, they’re scarily smart especially for reptiles. And can recognize threats.

[lusty ruin]

oh look, a gate on the south side

[foggy apex]

They’re just mostly feral in the wild now

[thorn veldt]

If deathclaws are soooo smart, why do they focus ED-E mostly

[tough viper]

they recognize friend/foe, probably some result of their genetic manipulation

[lilac drum]

Cause ED-E is dangerous

[foggy apex]

Cus ed-e is secretly Eden

[flint yoke]

Yeah that's more accurate. I meant they're not taking orders from the government, they're weapons that are released and you run away from them

[lilac drum]

They have tried to control deathclaws but its pretty clear
You dont control it
YOu release the thing

[flint yoke]

We're making a super smart, super strong, super fast, super durable, super dangerous killing machine.

Oh no it escaped again

[foggy apex]

Oh no it learned advanced philosophy and trading

[lilac drum]

Oh no
It is now doing my taxes!

[tough viper]

the only memberberry i want is goris

[foggy apex]

Wait thats good the irs never tells me how much I owe

[flint yoke]

Oh no it's investing in a diverse stock portfolio

[ripe nova]

Armed revolution

[still vigil]

The deathclaw was clearly thinking of eating cooper but heard a squirrel(Chinese soldiers) and chased them instead

[lilac drum]

The do the taxes and send it to CANADA

[thorn veldt]

pretty sure prewar they had no control over deathclaws because all the ways of controlling deathclaws we know (intelligent deathclaws who can follow orders and the domestication units) are all post war tech developed by the enclave

[foggy apex]

Pretty sure the deathclaw was just curious

[still vigil]

Predators usually wait for things to run or appear like a threat before they attack

[flint yoke]

Deathclaws are also hyper adaptive and can live in almost any environment

[tough viper]

i just thought he was blind tbqh

[ripe nova]

Would you welcome a steph pre war flash back showing annexed canada

[lilac drum]

Yes

[foggy apex]

Yes, show Nate in t-51 gunning Canadians

[lilac drum]

I just need to see nate shooting canadians XD

[flint yoke]

Steph's first husband is the civilian that Nate laughed at getting executed

[foggy apex]

Nate the rake lives

[still vigil]

Blind deathclaws have more perception then seeing ones

It’s an advantage not a hindrance for hunting

[ripe nova]

Likely not t-51s early annex

[flint yoke]

Steph joined vault Tec to hunt him down, and needs Hank's secret FEV injector to become a super mutant and storm the Commonwealth

[lilac drum]

Steph's second husband somehow got crushed as nate was walking

[sage night]

the soldiers in the fallout 1 intro wear t 51

[tough viper]

tehy apparentyl also have poor body heat sensing unlike a lot of reptilians like for whatever reason its easy to just hide from them if you're very quiet

[flint yoke]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/d/d8/Fo1_Intro_Canadian_Freedom_Fighter.png/revision/latest?cb=20240405011903

[ripe nova]

But thats during riots later after the annex not during the initial

[flint yoke]

That is FO1 T-51 armor

[foggy apex]

again i really doubht the deathclaw was 'fooled' or got distracted.

[sage night]

maybe the deathclaw can smell americans

maybe the us army gives soldiers a scent or something thats like a bear spray

[foggy apex]

if the us just unleashed something that destructure on their own men using advanced suits of war winning armour theyd be dummer than irl

[flint yoke]

American soldiers are given mating pheromones to avoid being attacked

[real shuttle]

I mean you joke but there's been periods in history where even humans can smell the enemy.

[thorn veldt]

Wouldnt deathclaws be more inclined to eat americans because they'd be more well fed than the pinkos

[real shuttle]

Notably in the winter war Finns remarked they could smell the Russian's tobacco.

[flint yoke]

The first suits of T-45 were not war winning, they actually sucked ass until the winterized versions were sent up

[foggy apex]

no cus like prime, they can smell communism

[ripe nova]

Given t-45 is early models in the current flashbacks i doubt we would see t-51 at the same time

[lilac drum]

I love how we all collectivley just agree that nate probably has killed canadians

[sage night]

well yeah he laughed at the execution of one

[foggy apex]

theres some canadians in 4 and i killed lots so

[ripe nova]

Yes doubt he is the laughing one

[still vigil]

No there aren’t

[flint yoke]

HOWEVER, Cooper was a devil dog and we know the marine corps gets the shit stick of logistics and equipment

[foggy apex]

theres gotta be a couple

[sage night]

us army defo deployed fnv deathclaws to alaska

[flint yoke]

So it might be entirely possible that Cooper's platoon just had the shit equipment while the army rolled up in T-51

[sage night]

he also was fighting at least a couple months or years before the bombs fell

[ripe nova]

T-45 2067
T-51 2076

[still vigil]

They also could have received a bit of combat damage, they didn’t jus spontaneously combust

[foggy apex]

t51 was less thna a year before the nukes ma dude

[ripe nova]

Could be over ten based on the years i just found

[foggy apex]

that scene is years before t51 were even a thought im pretty sure.

[sage night]

when they said liberated the island what do they mean?

[tough viper]

i rly hope they tone it down with goofy thaddeus+max scenes for next ep since theyll obviously travel together. it'd be so tone deaf

[foggy apex]

he was a well known millionaire hollywood actor at least half a decade before the nukes so no, hes never worn t51

[still vigil]

The island chain between Alaska and Russia

[ripe nova]

Also its not like canada would not have tried to rebel a few times up to 2077 for the fallout 1 intro

The annexation took 5 years

[sage night]

that makes sense, so theyd begun liberating alaska with the t45s and the deathclaws

[foggy apex]

likely only a couple deathclaws tbh

[sage night]

but hadnt fully liberated it until the t 51 tin cans?

[still vigil]

Yeah

[ripe nova]

Annexation is 2072-2077
Concurrently running with alaska

[still vigil]

Death claws are too risky to release in the mainland

[foggy apex]

it would be a real bad idea to drop dozens of potentially friendly fire bioweapons at the crucial clutchpoint conflict

[sage night]

correct

[foggy apex]

its likely a first fieldtest, so a couple at most

[ripe nova]

So the t-51s are from the final stages of the america canada conflict

[sage night]

thats not nearly enough to win, drop thousands

[opal tiger]

Yeah, this is pretty much why it makes sense that they only released them on the islands specifically

[still vigil]

They were either using it as a test or the vertibird crash accidentally released it. Maybe they had them at a research facility on the islands

[foggy apex]

nah this is the us, they released it

[flint yoke]

The deathclaw crashed the plane

[opal tiger]

Either or could work.

[ripe nova]

I think more than likely it was not intended to be released at that moment

[foggy apex]

like were talking about the us like it wouldnt do this irl if it could. theyve done worse

[flint yoke]

They expect one of us in the wreckage

[sage night]

wait so did mainland deathclaws exist from mutation or breaking out from destroyed research facilities post war?

[still vigil]

What happens if I take you out of your tube

[foggy apex]

breaking out of facilities after they got nuked nearby

[sage night]

makes sense

[still vigil]

Escaped

[ripe nova]

2066-2077 was the alaskan war and america had been probing canada as early as that

[foggy apex]

gradually reproduced cus why not make the murder machines naturally reproducing

[ripe nova]

A little of both

[sage night]

do yall think theres a lore reason for nv deathclaws being giga strong and fo3 deathclaws being weak or is it just game balance?

[still vigil]

Game balance

[ripe nova]

Yes

[flint yoke]

Game balance

[foggy apex]

the nv ones are on juice

[ripe nova]

Same as why swamp folk overpower enclave soldiers

[flint yoke]

The NV ones have a different armor penetration calculation

[foggy apex]

thats canon btw and dont let anyone tell you otherwise

[flint yoke]

Same reason why Ohio Deathclaws are a literal nightmare

[still vigil]

wtf

[flint yoke]

What

[opal tiger]

Wtf is your problem

[foggy apex]

nv deathclaws ate one dude with buffout in his system and instantly got addicted so they raided all pre war hospitals and drug dens to get more

[tough viper]

whats wrong with saying kiss yourslef

[sage night]

canon

[sage night]

yeah his slef

[foggy apex]

next we need to get them addicted to happiness like strong

[ripe nova]

I wonder why t-51 is so avoided by bethesda

[flint yoke]

It's rare

[ripe nova]

Compared to the t-45 / 60

[sage night]

post war ec bos can make t 60 sets

[flint yoke]

T-45 was mass produced, T-60 is the upgrade for T-45 suits

[opal tiger]

It's rare and expensive to maintain I'm pretty sure

[still vigil]

Game balance leading to weird lore

[sage night]

and while t 51 is better at dealing with arms fire, t 60 is better at environmental resistance

t 60 can literally withstand a rocket engine

[still vigil]

In 76 it’s back to being better

[flint yoke]

T-51 is a different and bespoke armor that was only produced in small numbers before the war

[ripe nova]

It must have been common place enough to replace 45 en mass in the field

[sage night]

wc bos has t 51 since their numbers are miniscule and they likely get the best of the equipment

[still vigil]

Lyons brotherhood had it too, but ditched it for 45

[flint yoke]

76 also introduces T-65 armor which is extra ugly but also very cool

[ripe nova]

Or is all the t-51 stuck up north

[foggy apex]

not even arms fire, just energy weapons specifically due to its constuction

[sage night]

east coast probably found a bunch of t 45 sets, or made them, or was sent with them, and after fo3 began to upgrade those suits

[flint yoke]

I thought they couldn't maintain their T-51 suits until the player opens the Anchorage storage

[foggy apex]

its a composite material with silver coating (thats 10 microns thick so would do jack shit after like 1 deployment)

[sage night]

since t 45 was ass probably at dealing with the new england weather

[still vigil]

They start with t-51 and found 45 in the east

[flint yoke]

The Pentagon probably had a few suits of T-51 but a ton of T-45

[ripe nova]

Like given t-51 won alsaka it must be in the hundreds/thousands of suits

[still vigil]

It’s a force multiplier not standard issue

[ripe nova]

But then the usa was invading china

[still vigil]

There are likely only hundreds of t-51

[flint yoke]

Thousands of suits in Alaska doesn't mean shit in the continental US

[opal tiger]

Secret Service.

[sage night]

t45s would probably be in the tens of if not hundreds of thousands bro

[still vigil]

I doubt there are 10,000 suits of all power armor combined

[sage night]

theyd been produced for over a decade, and if they were the same cost of a tank to make its more than feasible

[flint yoke]

They're probably in similar numbers to the actual production schedule of army tanks

[sage night]

if america was in total war we could make 10000 abrams in a decade zero difficulty

[flint yoke]

The limiting factor being the fusion core system to power them

[ripe nova]

I did forget when i made my statement the us had forces in china

[lilac drum]

US was in a total war

[still vigil]

If there were 10,000 plus suits it would be way more common

[sage night]

game scale for one, and we dont see all of america

[lilac drum]

Then again
A vast majority of the suits are going to be in the frontlines

[ripe nova]

Yeah canada, china, alaska

[foggy apex]

wv only has so many cus west teks got a massive place there

[lilac drum]

And US is invading china so there is clearly a lot of suits being made and the ones back in teh country are either for defense, not delivered or just have been produced

[sage night]

fnv game scale ncr is supposed to have 10000 troops in the mojave, legion similar numbers, i can assure you they dont have that many

similar game scale applies to boston and fo3

[foggy apex]

and it seems pa is more common on the east, liekly where it was made and transfered from

[ripe nova]

Did the usa annex mexico in fallout i forget

[sage night]

they occupied it

[lilac drum]

To be fair
The vast majority of industries and population for US is in the east so a lot of PA would be made there

[flint yoke]

Occupied but not annexed, Canada was annexed for the oil reserves and a safe route to Alaska

[ripe nova]

I recall raul mentions getting american news

[sage night]

the us didnt annex mexico, like canada became part of america, the phillipines werent part of america when we occupied them

[foggy apex]

exactly, it makews sense

[sage night]

considering they are going with the 50s vibe the majority of industry would be in the midwest

[still vigil]

1 suit of armor for every 100 millitary personnel seems way high imho

[ripe nova]

I mean at least two are seen gunning down canadains

[still vigil]

Like you said most would be at the front

They would be over represented there

[flint yoke]

In 4, Fort Strong is where they manufactured the T-51 and Fat Man launchers and shipped them west

[foggy apex]

see its 50 vibes but its not the 50s

[sage night]

makes sense imo, the us and china likely wouldnt have huge amounts of troops in alaska since you know annoying thing called supplies

[flint yoke]

Mexico gets American news irl.

[ripe nova]

I kinda hope the show elaborates a bit more on the tri vaults actual plan

[sage night]

i dont see either side having more than like 300000 in alaska and im probably really overshooting with that

[foggy apex]

you have to distance it from 'oh its just the 50s' cus its not, they have advanced ai planes and weapons

[ripe nova]

Tabloids as well?

[foggy apex]

if its east predominatly today it likely is for fallouts late 21st century id imagine

[flint yoke]

Yeah dude. Just like the southwest of America gets Mexican news and such.

Borders are imaginary lines on a piece of paper.

[foggy apex]

they actually are, viva la revelucion

[ripe nova]

In england i barely got scottish news and i lived 30 miles from the border

Some part of the vault 32-33-31 set up feels like a step is missing given for a eugenics program everyone seems kinda dumb

[flint yoke]

I mean they probably don't care about local news, but broadcast stations don't stop at the border

[still vigil]

The southern us is very Hispanic

[foggy apex]

the inbreeding likely hampered the plan for the vaults

[still vigil]

Some towns feel like you are in Mexico

[flint yoke]

It used to be Mexico

[still vigil]

It really is an imaginary line there

[foggy apex]

but it did clearly work in theory because norm and lucy are both very good managers

norm is super smart and good with tech. lucy is agreeable and personable

[ripe nova]

But they only 1 gen removed from a buds bud

[still vigil]

They wanted people to manage and managers

[foggy apex]

only lucy and norm are yeah

[sage night]

cause they come from likely non inbred people

[foggy apex]

probably why the others are so smoothbrain is that theyre the vault dweller lineage , norma nd lucy are vault tec lineage

[flint yoke]

The 31 people are normal and intelligent, it's just the 32 and 33 normies that are stupid. But pliable and obedient, which is what management really wants

[ripe nova]

And the rest of the dwellers are kinda oblivious and helpless for a breeding programe likely 7 gens in

[still vigil]

Good managers also are good at jus following protocol and listening to their boss(good for corpos)

[flint yoke]

Like what's his name showed, they're obedient to a fault

Reporting the overseer to the overseer and such

[still vigil]

For all we know the 32 dwellers that died were way smarter and that’s how the figured it out and killed themselves

[ripe nova]

Then surely only 31s should breed together to maintain it

[sage night]

the guy who reported steph to herself

[flint yoke]

No, because the 31s at released at different times and are "improving" the gene pool in the others

[foggy apex]

he maybe could have lived after that, the moment his dumbass showed he knew about her talking about experiments he was dead

[ripe nova]

I feel like the experiment must go deeper

[still vigil]

Phase 2

[ripe nova]

Yeah i mean this is tame even compared to vault 101

[still vigil]

Make super managers then give them fev to become super super managers

[ripe nova]

Bud west tek the hint i think its likely

[flint yoke]

Super Mutant managers

Do you think Bud has connections to the outside and knew about the Master?

[ripe nova]

Yes but likely only to an observation station

My question is more does bud have access to a true robo brain given vault tec had them in other vaults

[worthy monolith]

What were your thoughts on the episode?

[tough viper]

WHEEEREE THE FK IS EP 5

inb4 they jsut start edging with not going up to lucky 38

[steady night]

Ohhh shit he came back?
I mean I should be surprised but he always comes back like he's Afton or smth

[ripe nova]

I think there maybe two types of buds buds

1. group picked by bud from vault tec
2. a younger cohort fresh from vault tec university

[steady night]

||Cooper will eventually go up Lucky 38, with House seemingly still plugged in I think and on the screen?
That would imply that the House ending is canon which really does fit with New Vegas||

[ripe nova]

The top group including hank are directly in on the experiment-the bottom group are for phase 2

[tough viper]

another flashback

[ripe nova]

My theory on buds buds is based on the 7th vault tec sellers survival guide

[flint yoke]

I don't think the house ending is canon, otherwise the Securitrons would have protected the strip against Whatever happened

[outer iris]

The lucky 38 doors gonna open at the season finale, and then lucy will go “well, i guess that the house always…” and then it cuts to black, then we wait 2 years for season 3

[steady night]

Actually this wouldn't have sense as a flashback before NV because
No one ever entered the Lucky 38 before the Courier post-war IIRC

[flint yoke]

I know there was one upgraded Securitron but clearly the army under the fort did not mobilize

[north imp]

Courier nuked both factions and everyone got eaten by the tunnelers obviously guys

[worthy monolith]

House won but the Omertas bomb wasn't stopped and Deathclaws overran the place

[flint yoke]

The courier brought a deathclaw to Gamorragh to but it escaped

[steady night]

Brother what did you do with your tag?
Do it until the season ends like this like chill

[tough viper]

no it will end in them going up the elevator, the door opens, and its a shot of the ghoul's shocked face and cut to black

[opal tiger]

They are upgraded though, but like I said. I doubt any ending will be canon. I think the Courier killed Benny, delivered the chip, and fucked off.

[flint yoke]

Hmm. If the chip arrives at the Lucky 38 does that upgrade the strip robots alone? Is the fort bunker strictly to upgrade and activate the waiting army?

[outer iris]

Even more agonizing

[steady night]

I was against a Courier mention before but now with how things are progressing I think it is needed

[opal tiger]

It upgrades everything I believe.

[worthy monolith]

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[flint yoke]

But you need to go to the bunker to unleash the army?

[ripe nova]

Yes

[opal tiger]

Nah, it's fine.

[outer iris]

The courier isn’t gonna get mentioned beyond a small reference (if that)

[ripe nova]

Thats partly due to houses equipment being damaged

[opal tiger]

Even THAT is wishful thinking. Lol

[north imp]

Dane is actually the courier

[flint yoke]

Where does the army come out? Through the main door in the Legion camp?

[outer iris]

Thad is the courier

[steady night]

Maybe not a Courier reference then but like something pertaining to an ending man

[ripe nova]

Unsure since we are on the damn when it happens

[flint yoke]

The courier is a nobody who just did a mediocre paying job

[opal tiger]

They won't. I'm almost like 90% sure that fog of war shit was PR talk to not piss people off.

[foggy apex]

250 caps lol

[opal tiger]

We're half way done and all that's been confirmed was upgraded bots.

[foggy apex]

we do all that for 250 caps

[north imp]

I would do a lot for $250

[flint yoke]

Now that's the difference between cowpoke. We do this shit for the love of the game.

[steady night]

Yeah no valid
Thing is, people are now also pissed with that whole thing so like yeah

[foggy apex]

5 caps is like maybe 1 dollar

[worthy monolith]

I think they indirectly referenced the Courier when Captain Rodregez asked Lucy "Common story around here, someone you care about or someone you hate"?

[foggy apex]

so your doing all that for a mcdonalds family reciept

[flint yoke]

Have you seen the price of gas?

[steady night]

Yeah that's one

[north imp]

Everything being destroyed is kinda cringe even ghoul is like “wtf bro”

[opal tiger]

I think the numbers, ratings, and reviews say otherwise. If the show as shit, it would have Star Wars Acolyte ratings and reviews of how bad it is.

[ripe nova]

That job costs you 2000 to enter the strip

[north imp]

Goosie thinks it’s all normal tho cause she doesn’t know the lore smh

[tough viper]

he's getting the bethesda fallout exposure

[worthy monolith]

This is Bethesda's world. There is no civilization, everyone is beyond dumb and doesn't know how to build adobe or anything.

[steady night]

True
Let me rewrite that
The vocal people are pissed about that

[north imp]

Responders kinda cook in Appalachia tho

[still vigil]

10 caps or less is a days wage

[opal tiger]

more accurate lol

[still vigil]

The players are just rich as fuck

[worthy monolith]

True. Althought that was in 2105, we don't know what happen to Appalachia

[tough viper]

I think the show is quite good but it's sht in the way I expected so it's not too offensive

[ripe nova]

Actually it would be funny if in lore the courier never brought the platinum chip as he could not afford a passport

[opal tiger]

Me lugging all my gold bars to GunRunners.

[north imp]

We prob nuked whitesprings too much and now everyone’s dead again oopsie

[opal tiger]

The tribals are nuking each other. Don't ya know?

[north imp]

Classic Goosie fr

[still vigil]

The happy trails caravan pays 25 caps a day to hike through dangerous territory for weeks

[tough viper]

its literally a giant ultracite crater full of behemoth of various cryptids, that even enclave is scared to approach

[ripe nova]

House foiled by his entry fee

[opal tiger]

Canonically anyway, only 3 nukes go off in Appalachia I'm pretty sure.

[foggy apex]

lore accurate courier is stint broke from the get go AND gamblign everything he earns away

[ripe nova]

Again 2000 cap entry fee

[flint yoke]

Some angry sizable salamanders needed to be turned into liquor

[still vigil]

Yeah house only wants people gambling large sums

[ripe nova]

He i wouldn’t pay 2000 to earn 250

[still vigil]

Most people would never have 2000

[ripe nova]

Fine except when you need a package

[still vigil]

You don’t pay 2000 they just check that you have it

[flint yoke]

I don't think you pay 2000 to enter do you? You just need 2000 to prove you're not a vagrant.

[worthy monolith]

So I just realized. Why don't the (either) Legion use like, smoke grenades and create a diversion so they can snatch and grab Caesar's body?

[still vigil]

2000 caps is 80 days pay

[foggy apex]

and he doesnt because hes traveled across for the country for 250 caps

[ripe nova]

Even still our courier likely does not have that given he was shot in the head and left for dead

[flint yoke]

Because then the other side would throw grenades

[still vigil]

Yeah and what’s the issue, the chip likely came with a paper to show the securitrons to let him in?

[flint yoke]

Yeah you can get a passport for entry

[ripe nova]

Which was likely stolen from us since we never do so

[flint yoke]

The NCR have port passes afaik

[still vigil]

Yes what’s your point

[foggy apex]

ever since i learnt rene auberjonois is who voiced house i cant stop hearing odo from deep space 9

[ripe nova]

Well the courier does not have such info and given their situation may not have 2000

[still vigil]

What’s your thesis here? The courier either gathered 2000 caps, faked a passport or snuck in

We know this

[ripe nova]

Courier got stopped at the gate

[north imp]

Fallout fans don’t play the games

[still vigil]

Are you saying fnv didn’t happen?

I’m so confused by your point

[ripe nova]

Forget it

[north imp]

They are prob just shit posting

[still vigil]

Yeah

[gentle quiver]

as is tradition

[ripe nova]

It would be funny for houses own rules to work against him rather than the mail man just being super dedicated

[still vigil]

The courier has to go to the strip in every single ending

[worthy monolith]

But I do.

[tough viper]

apparently you can say shit but you get automuted for saying the word mr. walter white jr uses to describe his dad with

🤔

[north imp]

But have you 100% fallout shelter???

[steady night]

Is it my screen or how come you went back to the NCR role

[buoyant heron]

While it makes sense, I'm so disappointed that Maximus didn't pull the trigger. And I want the show to flesh out Dane's character more, I don't want them to be just another token LGBT+ character.

I hope they confirm if any of the elders died in the shootout, and with the impending civil war with the East Coast BoS, I am praying that we're gonna see Liberty Prime.

Also, I don't really understand what they're doing with Lucy's character arc.

[worthy monolith]

I think I had my Enclave role the other night and then switched back

I think its thinking I had my Enclave role still after that

[flint yoke]

Why won't the mods give me communist flair

[steady night]

Lol alr

[worthy monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-prime-communism-fallout-liberty-gif-12286995

[steady night]

I'm honestly not convinced they will be able to maintain this fog of war façade long
Sure they might not say who won but I think there's something that will be telling
Hell, some people would argue we have things that are telling

[flint yoke]

No matter who wins, we lose

[gentle quiver]

I mean I think so far everyone lost lol

Mccarren is empty, golf is empty, etc

So it definitely wasn't an NCR sweep, the legion is split, that's a failure,

[sage night]

its not any nv ending thats for sure

[steady night]

I'm still not against a House ending
I mean sure the securitrons didn't do anything against a Deathclaw it seems but like I can see that
Deathclaws are tanks

[sage night]

house being alive, ncr falling, legion not retreating from the fort?

[sage night]

mk 2 securitrons are fucking up deathclaws bro

also we dont see nearly enough securitrons for a house ending

we'd see hundreds in vegas

[gentle quiver]

It does not matter who won, because now everyone is dealing with ramifications as if they lost

[opal tiger]

Yeah, this is my point sort of. I still think the Fog of war was PR speak for them just being like, "No ending is chosen, everyone loses."
Not to mention we're half way done and the only confirmation we've gotten are securitrons being upgraded, and Victor being alive.

[steady night]

||It really depends now on if House is talking to Cooper or Cooper just found some weird type of House message left only to him|| or something of that type

[gentle quiver]

I think it's gonna be a dumb third option, like Mr House has a body double in season 1, the real house got killed in NV, and now the version of house we are talking to is a perfect recreation of House that he made as a backup in case he died

[tough viper]

i think commonwelath BoS comes in to kick the door down for legion, and s3 is commonwealth+ncr vs. combined enclave offensive

enclave is just at this point infinite spawning troops and resources, so it doesnt matter that they are up against the largest factions in the wasteland

[gentle quiver]

god please no more god damn enclave

[tough viper]

its basically confirmed hank works for enclave

[foggy apex]

lol I just watched oxhorns video on this episode and it’s so bad it’s actually funny

[gentle quiver]

I mean he works for vault tec, the level at which that is attached to the enclave is still very in the air. I do think there is a decent chance that is the case

[tough viper]

hes been a lolcow like all his career, nothing new

completely clueless when hes not just quoting fan wiki 1:1

[foggy apex]

True

[vast wasp]

It's a oxhorn video what do you expect

[lusty ruin]

ah once upon a time i used to watch oxhorn

[foggy apex]

Idk anymore.

[gentle quiver]

I tend to think he puts out pretty good content when it's just recapping what happened in something / telling the story of the games. His opinions on the otherhand I don't tend to get down with often

[tough viper]

yeah me too, basically just audio versions of wiki articles

[foggy apex]

I mean even that’s bad, like half the things he was listing off were just straight up wrong. And the wiki would have told him that

[gentle quiver]

such as?

[tough viper]

but not for some years. i just saw a vid where he said the commonwealth murdering ghoul kids is in character and closed the vid

[sage night]

the commonwealth would ignore ghoul kids, not butcher them lmao

[foggy apex]

Well for one he got such a basic thing as the battle wrong. Saying it’s the battle of anchorage in 2076 when coop was allready well out of the army before that even began. And would make no sense for the pre war flashbacks we see.

[flint yoke]

Obviously not. Hot dog.

[tough viper]

"i never cared for them ghoul kids, innocent or otherwise" -arthur maxson, elder, commonwealth BoS

[gentle quiver]

does it ever say when the battle happens or when cooper leaves the military?

[foggy apex]

Anchorage isn’t an island

The radio chatter at the end explicitly mentions they’re on an island

[flint yoke]

There's two battles for Anchorage

[foggy apex]

Yeah but it’s not 2076 lol

[gentle quiver]

anchorage has a large island in it

[foggy apex]

Like, there’s no way this dudes becoming a famous Hollywood actor in less than A year

[torn furnace]

maybe during the entire anchorage fighting they were on a nearby island

[flint yoke]

There's a lot of islands on the coast too

Islands are important parts of military strategy

[torn furnace]

hell they could be fighting on fire island

[foggy apex]

Again and I reiterate.

[gentle quiver]

is it stated that he doesn't start acting until after his military service?

[foggy apex]

He cannot be active military in 2076 and be a multimillionaire famous Hollywood actor with dozens of films in less than 1 year

[foggy apex]

It’s not stated he dropped it to become a soldier no so it’s far more likely that he left the military before the turn of the 70s.

[torn furnace]

well fighting in Anchorage started in 2066 and ended in 2077

[steady night]

If the T-45 is this faulty given it's a new deployment, then it is definitely not 2076

[gentle quiver]

you can act before AND after being in the military

[torn furnace]

and the first use of t 45 happened around 2067

[gentle quiver]

The ghouls wiki page says that battle was in 2067, the one we just saw in the episode

[foggy apex]

The t45 alone means it cannot be 76 and the winning battle of anchorage.

[torn furnace]

and everything kinda points to it being 2067

[torn furnace]

think elvis did that

anyways

it was likely a operation on fire island during 2067

[gentle quiver]

From what I can see, it does look like oxhorn did just get the dates mixxed up

[torn furnace]

oxhorn moment

[gentle quiver]

he states 2076 or early 2077 and the wiki claims it's the same war but in 2067

[torn furnace]

i mean the war started in 2066

[upbeat rock]

What does he say

[foggy apex]

See above

[gentle quiver]

okay, so it looks like he got the dates switched, what else was he getting wrong?

This is not me trying to defend him btw, I have 0 stakes in his ability lol

[upbeat rock]

Why would they be in Anchorage

[torn furnace]

its literally stated he was in anchorage

and he was fighting chinese soldiers

and why would they be in alaska like the chinese because of oil

[upbeat rock]

Idk my brain thought of canada for some reason

[torn furnace]

oh canada yeah that is easy "to secure the safety of the nation"

against the chinese communists

[upbeat rock]

Its likely this is just early in the operation, which would make sense since they are using shitty t45

[torn furnace]

by what said and all it being the first deployment so in 2067\

also by the looks of it 2067 was also the first real deployment of deathclaws

[upbeat rock]

But yeah oxhorn is a dummy

[torn furnace]

yeah

[upbeat rock]

He also has a weird hate bone for new vegas

Used to watch him and hed really softly criticize new vegas a lot lol. Especially when some shit was his own mods

[foggy apex]

Nah your fine, I was being a bit over exagerative cus he annoys me

He seemed a bit too surprised at deathclaws being confirmed prewar since I know he has multiple videos that use that exact lore bit

[upbeat rock]

Cut to that one time he argued nv devs were bad at their job because he had a mod that added a badly written note

[foggy apex]

And he seemed confused at the ‘raider 345’ or whatever it was that was clearly a us marines call sign either for a unit nearby asking for help , or the crashed vertibird.

The raider call sign I’m pretty sure is us marines special forces

[upbeat rock]

Idk why but thats twice now he was surprised about pre war deathclaws

[foggy apex]

Also having rewatched a third time there’s definately some sort of speaking going on with the deathclaw at first

It sounds sort like warm repeated

People are saying it’s blind , but reptiles have membranes that protect their eyes and blind deathclaws can still smell super well

[upbeat rock]

He was on stream and someone asked about the deatchlaws colors and if the us made the mommas and he was like 'the us? What?" As if he didnt know they are prewar

[foggy apex]

Either the deathclaws were genetically bred to not target Americans or they use smell to determine friendly and foe markers. None of this ‘just stay still and it won’t notice you’ Jurassic park bs that was wrong even at the time

They aren’t dumb lizards anyway, they’re like at least octopus level intelligent

[upbeat rock]

I think the deathclaw just didnt want to kill him, either that or it knew the suit would be harder to get through

Or another option it was scared away by the radio noises, I kinda forget tho if it disappears before the radio comes in

[gentle quiver]

I thought maybe it was like a "not worth killing it clearly isn't a threat and is low to the ground beneath me" type thing

[foggy apex]

I genuinely think it was curious about him. He’s giving off a friendly smell but is covered in weird metal stuff. So it checked him out before moving on. Seems like something an animal would do

[upbeat rock]

Could also be this

[foggy apex]

I mean we know deathclaws aren’t remotely against killing defenseless people

[upbeat rock]

Maybe, altho I think games make them more mean because it wouldnt be as much fun if they ignored you

[foggy apex]

We know they have at base, the capacity to recognize threat from non threat in a non millitary setting because if you return a mothers egg to her (or the dad maybe) they come up to you non hostile and are friendly with you if you return the egg

[upbeat rock]

Which, realistically a monster of that size would hide from humans

[gentle quiver]

while true, this is while they are being actively used and an attempt to provide some amount of control on them is being used by the US Gov

[foggy apex]

I feel like the games possibly haven’t fleshed out the real reason for why they attack as well as is really needed. They seem to stay to their own areas for the most part when in a group

I feel like there’s possibly like a defence thing going on whereby humans are starting to encroach on areas deathclaws have set up shop in.

Or they’re being pushed into areas because of the growing civilization

[still vigil]

Predators rarely full on attack stationary animals

They poke at them until they react then attack

[foggy apex]

I mean the deathclaw nest you can find in 4 is like, at best a few mutant animal skeletons maybe 1 human.

[still vigil]

Have you ever seen videos of bear attacks

The just kinda investigate stuff if they think they might be dead then start flailing them around

[foggy apex]

They clearly weren’t actively hunting humans because they could and would have attacked the ones nearby. But seemed intent to feed off the regular animal life. They may even feed off radiation to a degree post war

[upbeat rock]

Yeah bears rarely care about humans unless humans are in their way

[still vigil]

Predators don’t like prey they doesn’t run or fight back

[steady night]

Or in their territory
Which is redundant now that I think about it because that's their way lol

[upbeat rock]

Well bears have routes essentially. If you get in the route, the bear isnt afraid to hurt you. But rven if your a few feet off route they really wont care about you, besides giving you side eye

[still vigil]

They will still kill then but usually they just fuck with them a bit, it’s why there are so many stories of tigers and shit just grabbing babies but not hurting them right away

[foggy apex]

In 1 there was basically only like 6 deathclaws and 1 was entirely alone, and seemed to be the one attacking caravans. Wonder if it got cut off from the rest and was lashing out at caravans for food

They seem to just attack humans and not actively hunt to feed off them. They just kill any nearby and then move on. Wonder if that’s a remnant of their initial purpose

[sage torrent]

When is ep 5 comming out?

[still vigil]

Same time as last episode

[sage torrent]

In 6 days?

[still vigil]

Same day as last episode

[foggy apex]

I’m laughing just imagining a bear walking past silently sign languaging ‘next time’ at the human walking by just a metre off its route

[sage torrent]

Oh so in less then a week?

[still vigil]

Black bears are chill as fuck

[foggy apex]

Ironically polar bears aren’t

[still vigil]

It’s hard to piss them off

Yeah grizzlies and polar bears don’t fuck around

[foggy apex]

Mutated polar bear. Holy hell

[still vigil]

Obviously avoid them all but I’ve been super close to black bears by accident and they just ignore you

[foggy apex]

Grizzlies are kinda fine, unless you catch em on a bad day, but polar bears will actively seek out researchers to try and kill. And keep trying til they have to give up

They’re basically the only animal on the planet that sees us as food off the bat

[still vigil]

Panda bears are vicious

Don’t get me started on koalas

[vast wasp]

Asia makes them sound so cute and cuddley

[foggy apex]

We taste really bad. But polar bears don’t give a shit, I dread to think what fallout polar bears would be

[still vigil]

We really don’t have a lot of meat for how annoying we are to eat

[foggy apex]

Just like, gargantuan patchy polar bears with larger claws

Lots of sores

Be really funny if the next episode starts all scary and then the deathclaw huntches over and is like ‘yo aren’t you that guy I looked at in the cold place 200 years ago’ and they have a big ol reunion

Turns out it actually wasn’t the deathclaws who ruined the strip, it was just the courier winning til he had all the money in the strip. Lost it all in a freak accident and everyone panicked

[fathom jewel]

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[teal blade]

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[fathom jewel]

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[teal blade]

menofwar44353 has been warned, this is their first warning.

[foggy apex]

Many thanks miss blobby

[vast wasp]

The courier gambled the stirp but lost

I hope the TV show tells us the secret of vault 22

[clever basalt]

i guess this confirms it

they definitely used airships for war during the sino-american war

[vast wasp]

Pepole said they were to scared to show the Chinese

[still vigil]

People like to find any reason to hate on tv shows now

“Why is this thing that isn’t relevant yet not in the show?”

[clever basalt]

wait wat

deathclaws were present in the alaskan war??

[unborn nimbus]

https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/fallout-tv-show-from-westworld-creators-in-the-works-at-amazon.69230/post-37284665

[clever basalt]

oh yeah i forgot that deathclaws were military experiments

[unborn nimbus]

Lol. Why there's so little settlements and people in most places we visited in TV show

[clever basalt]

wdym

[unborn nimbus]

People saying/joking the reason the TV show has so little settlements with huge crowds is because the show is trying to recreate the game engines of the games being unable to render too many characters at once without crashing the game

[clever basalt]

i don't really think so, tbh? like the settlements we've seen so far look a lot more filled in than the ones in-game

but i've only started watching episode 4 so i'm basing off what i've already seen so far, even then i there's one outlier in episode 4 then it's just that, an outlier so far until the next episode and so on

even then, is it really that big of an issue if the settings they show aren't "lively"

sunset sarsparilla's looked better nowadays

[still vigil]

Filly was like 20x bigger then any game settlement

[still vigil]

It looks way too clean for a prewar building lol

Somebody painted that this decade

[clever basalt]

probably because them hills covered it from the nuclear blast lmao

[unborn nimbus]

I mean we had 4 BOS chapters gathering at Area 51 and it still seems like the number of extras barely goes above 50 people. Especially the number of kids we saw in ep4 of Maximus chapter.

[clever basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[still vigil]

Those are just the children of quintus chapter

There are more initiates that are of age

[unborn nimbus]

Yes but I would like to think even for a single chapter you need more kids than like just 20 kids

[open rampart]

https://x.com/lucks_eterna/status/2009049012700356708?s=46

lucks eterna ☘️ | Fallout Spoilers ☢️ (@lucks_eterna)

Waiiiiit hold on, am I crazy or is Geneva saying that Cooper’s transformation into a Ghoul wasn’t just from radiation but that he was experimented on like the pre-war Deathclaws?!?? 😳😳😳

X · Jan 7, 2026, 11:46 PM

[unborn nimbus]

Given not all kids will make it to knight

[still vigil]

They only have like 10 knights tho

[unborn nimbus]

But also we've not seen any smaller settlements in NV for season 2 so far. Freeside and legion camp looks like the only real settlement

[still vigil]

Chapters are like 100-200 people with a lot of support staff

[tough viper]

theres no real reason for that. they had aircraft carriers and jet fighters. airships are just an insane vehicle to do combat in and even in ww1 they learned that very quick.

[unborn nimbus]

Hence people joking it's just like the game engine that can really only feature 10 or so knights at once, or at a location

[clever basalt]

sooooo pray tell, why is there an airship right in that screenshot

[tough viper]

probably just a scene prop they added without thinking since they dindt have any background jet models

[clever basalt]

huh???

[tough viper]

these exist.

and they dont get shot down by random shit

[clever basalt]

that does not look like a silhouette of this

[tough viper]

no im saying the production team was lazy.

[still vigil]

Fallout does not follow conventional warfare logic

[clever basalt]

???

[tough viper]

.

[clever basalt]

i agree to disagree on that, because tbh I can believe that they literally devoted effort and resources to cgi an airship firing ordnance from the sky

[cold crater]

I wonder how the showrunners got acquainted with Fallout. Was it purely through the design documents and texts from the studio, or by playing the games?

[tough viper]

they made those assets for the later scene where the rebel BoS faction airships fire at each other in the background

[red dagger]

will be interesting to see deathclaws in action via combat, they can slice through people with ease, and showing the strength of literally crunching through a steel structure of a building with no hindrance (or bother) is easy to believe they're incredibly muscle dense.

[clever basalt]

soooo they used it again

[cold crater]

oh damn, Tahm Kench enjoyer huh?

[unborn nimbus]

I think they've played the games but ultimately how much people understand the setting from just playing the games can be a mixed response. Not all players are as good as exploring the setting as others.

[tough viper]

altho if the chinese didnt have air power its potentially good as a mothership just to launch vertibirds. but that assumes tehy dont have ANY long range AA

[clever basalt]

is that a bad thing or a good thing for you

[tough viper]

its simply cutting corners

[still vigil]

It’s not lol

They intended for the airship to be used pre war to fight China

This is some weird cope

[tough viper]

.

[still vigil]

lol according to you making it up

[unborn nimbus]

Honestly airships make sense only for post-war fallout era because most air power was destroyed by the war and most factions don't have the logistics to maintain a huge fighter fleet.

[red dagger]

hope we get more action in NV in season 3, to show other factions th at were on the board, like the minor ones such as the Boomers.

[still vigil]

The us probably cleared the major AA and moved the airship in for rapid deployment to retake the ground

[clever basalt]

6 more episodes is plenty of space for that to happen tho , why wait for season 3

[still vigil]

Those things are more robust then they should be, you can’t take them out with artillery in 4 you have to plant a bomb inside

[tough viper]

we are talking about occupied canada, they already had the ground covered.

[still vigil]

Brother they are liberating the island from the Chinese

[tough viper]

it does not make sense to deploy what are essentially force projection, expeditionary force assets to ground you already possess

[still vigil]

This isn’t Canada this is the island chain in the Arctic off the coast of anchorage

[tough viper]

which island? and is it outside the sortie distance of medium range fighter jets

[red dagger]

4 more episodes, not 6, and it's gonna be mainly focused in the Strip.

[still vigil]

Not specified but it is an island, they say it on the radio

[tough viper]

a retcon island

is what ill call it

[red dagger]

which is fine, the Strip has a shitton of lore! It's fascinating to see the beating heart of Vegas, but it would be cool to see the outskirts, such as Nellis

[still vigil]

A retcon of what?

[clever basalt]

vruh they literally unleashed a if not multiple deathclaws on the area of operation

They were planning to send out an ALREADY BUILT ROBOT, that THREW MINI NUKES LIKE A FOOTBALL STAR

THEY PUT BRAINS IN ROBOTS

[cold crater]

huh? source of info?

[tough viper]

retcon of them assaulting islands that we never heard of before

[red dagger]

I mean, I think they just used the island as an excuse to give the latest experiment a try

[cold crater]

it is an island but the rest?...

[still vigil]

New lore isn’t a retcon

[red dagger]

that's all.

[clever basalt]

HOW IS A PRE-WAR AIRSHIP FIGHTING NOT BELIEVABLE

[still vigil]

Nothing in old lore suggest they wouldn’t be fighting for strategic points on Alaskas island chain

[tough viper]

yeah it is because it makes the point of failure an island complex instead of a land based strongpoint which the chinese needed to use dragoons to infiltrate. if they somehow have the force projection to meet the US military head on and successfully naval invade them, that has some serious implications on the chinese force projection capability

[red dagger]

we see several island chains upon alaska territory, as well as one west of the state beside russian territory, wouldn't be surprising the chinese use the island as a launching platform before the government thinks "heyyy...this is a good time to just deploy those deathclaws and see them in action with the US troops!"

turns out they're...VERY effective to the point I don't think they even needed the US troops on the island.

[cold crater]

What are you arguing about now?

[still vigil]

His made up head canon

[cold crater]

about what?

[red dagger]

bait about what?

[tough viper]

the US navy would sink the invasion fleet before it got within any distance of their only remaining oil resource

[still vigil]

How China wouldn’t attack part of Alaska for some reason

[clever basalt]

oh mb wrong reply

[cold crater]

uhhh what?

[clever basalt]

is this just bait atp

[cold crater]

this is weird subject to argue about

[still vigil]

China occupied Alaska for over 10 years, they would have men on every island

[red dagger]

I know, but the thing is they want to experiment, It's the enclave! Sure, they had the firepower to easily crush, but they want to test things out and throw things out into the area. What better way than to drop them on an isolated area, away from prying eyes?

[clever basalt]

yeah it's really weird getting hung up over . . . the us using airships in combat

[tough viper]

thats way more acceptable as a theory imo

[cold crater]

let's argue about pheromones and possibility of Coop romancing intelligent deathclaw

[still vigil]

No the only effective combat doctrine is using robots with tv screens and one wheel

This is fallout we only use logic here

[red dagger]

I don't think so. Remember liberty prime? They wanted that bucket of bolts out there in anchorage BADLY as an experiment, but they just...couldn't solve that energy issue.

[clever basalt]

not even as a bit, dont make the frontier lowkey canon

[tough viper]

i was agreeing with you. them using the chinese invasion fleet as glorified test puppets makes more sense than somehow the chinese invaded bullcrap

[clever basalt]

dont let those devs who ruined the mod make it worse for the fallout community

[cold crater]

I mean, theoretically it's possible but highly unlikely

[red dagger]

OH apologies, yes, I definitely think this might be the case, they really wanted to play with the deathclaws and give them chew toys and see what they could do.

[clever basalt]

the deathclaw might have been radio controlled or whatever it was the enclave did, maybe connects to house or sumn

[cold crater]

(idk a single thing about frontier)

[red dagger]

they probably chalked it up as a huge success despite the PTSD and horror the deathclaws sow.

[clever basalt]

anything but "the deathclaws are now intelligent and will totally let you hit"

[cold crater]

damn yes!

[still vigil]

China occupied and controlled Alaska for 10 Years, what are we talking about

We had to annex Canada to even try to take it back

This isnt new lore

Chinas submarines were more advanced then the us so they couldn’t attack by sea

[cold crater]

Deathclaw on the Strip
Deathclaws is strong and resistant
Deathclaw is probably controlled by House, working for US Army

I think that might be a thing

[cold crater]

wait, Chinese-American war was so long?

[still vigil]

Yeah

[clever basalt]

bro these fuckos being so inept about left and right is just, monumental

the switch up arc is gonna be insane trust

[still vigil]

2066-2076 they occupied Alaska

[cold crater]

I see

[still vigil]

After we retook Alaska they focused on attacking chinas mainland

[cold crater]

"we"😭

[still vigil]

Then nukes happened

lol I’m American so I slip up

[open rampart]

I need everyone In that vault GONE. Besides Chet and Steph

[clever basalt]

zamn vegas got thicker

[lusty ruin]

Lmao

[clever basalt]

chet my man i can cover for you, steph could lowk name the baby after me trust

[red dagger]

leads me to believe the deathclaws moved in for a WHILE

[still vigil]

Fallout fans when things change over 15 years

[red dagger]

without anyone to care for the area, the desert once again claimed the Strip

[clever basalt]

ghoul making lucy worse bruh

[cold crater]

Wow, look at this poster/clothing/weapon/design! It's literally like in the game.

Someone gives an example of a dramatically changed design of something (mainly locations).

So what? They don't have to do everything like in the game.

[red dagger]

naw, that's technically NCR making Lucy worse by feeding her buffout and shit to get her body ticking.

since I guess she was that close to death. Must've been hanging on that cross for days.

[still vigil]

Yeah fuck that doctor for giving me steroids to not die

[clever basalt]

lucy on drugs is locked tf in though 🙌

[cold crater]

I want to see Lucy use Jet and Psycho

[clever basalt]

truly is the end of the kings

[cold crater]

In my opinion, a sad moment

[clever basalt]

oh my dumbass just realized they were already AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE STRIP

[lusty ruin]

the south entrance, not ingame

[red dagger]

the Kings being feral...big oof, peace between NCR and Kings may have occurred, but House potentially getting his securitrons and pushing the Kings out may have lead to their demise

nothing radioactive out there, though...makes me curious.

[cold crater]

The scene is filmed in such a strange way: Lucy kills the King in slow motion to cheerful music. To be honest, it's not very pleasant to see a charismatic character from a beloved game being killed like that.

[red dagger]

it only makes me frown at House more than anything else.

[still vigil]

That’s what he gets for being friends with pacer

[clever basalt]

they came in from the . . . .

[lusty ruin]

uhhhh

[red dagger]

it's clear he pushed them out for being peaceful and probably helped the NCR in this timeline

[lusty ruin]

they came from uhhh, the ncr camp which was near Primm so , south

[cold crater]

I can't wait to see Lucy kill House with golf club with a "Ain't that a kick in the head" playing on the background

[frank widget]

is he even confirmed to be alive?

[red dagger]

wondering if the Followers of the Apocalypse also got the boot out of Freeside

[cold crater]

they're dead probably

[red dagger]

Victor claims he's gone, but we do see a trailer of Mr. House on the green screen smiling at Cooper in a big reveal.

[lusty ruin]

we see house on the screen in trailer

[frank widget]

oh dope

[red dagger]

think he even addresses him, like he's able to tell after 200 years, that it is no doubt Mr. Howard.

[fresh shoal]

Yes Man ending is canon 🤞

[red dagger]

Hrmmmm...maybe the Deathclaws came from the Thorn and climbed their way over the Strip walls to make a den, making everyone clear out?

[cold crater]

oh and there's one moment in the trailer with Coop walking out of Silver Rush with Gauss Rifle

My bet is that there will be a big pile of dust on the floor in the store, and Gloria Van Graff will say that it's the remains of an annoying red-haired girl from California.

[onyx grove]

cant help but get the feeling that house's physical body is long gone, but his mind has been digitized somehow

[fresh shoal]

I know people say the creators have said key art at the end of episodes isn’t canon but

[frank widget]

i wouldn't be surprised

[fresh shoal]

I mean what if there is a big ass hole in the wall of the Strip

That would explain a lot

[red dagger]

He finally succeeded in unlocking immortality and is smiling ear to ear.
"The House...always...wins"

[onyx grove]

the more i think abt what ending we might be leaning towards i feel like that's the case

[opal tiger]

The reason why is because none of the previous key art has been canon.
We didn't see a Silo, we didn't visit Primm, etc etc. It's only mild references and such, but nothing canon or concrete.

[fresh shoal]

Same. As I was beating him to death with a golf club he initiated his backup backup plan and shunted a copy of his AI consciousness into Victor

[frank widget]

the ending is like a yes man x house ending hybrid abomination

[red dagger]

It's either a House ending that didn't go as he planned, or it's the Yes Man ending where Yes Man takes on the persona of Mr. House

[fresh shoal]

I honestly think it’s entirely possible Yes Man malfunctioned like a day after the Courier left the Mojave

[red dagger]

if it's the Yes Man ending, it may explained why there's little to no securitrons, it was said the region went into full on chaos and war.

[cold crater]

I wonder where is Courier

[frank widget]

probably doesnt matter to the whole story since he isnt a grounded character

[fresh shoal]

Every ending has the Courier turning around and taking a last look at the Strip

[red dagger]

long gone, walking down that road, with the flag on his back.

[onyx grove]

"oh, he stopped working. oh well, on my way i guess"

[cold crater]

a person who shaped the map of Mojave doesn't matter because...okay

[fresh shoal]

I’m sure he’s still wandering the wastes fucking stuff up.

[cold crater]

very poetic

[fresh shoal]

He’d only be in his 50s or something and he’s like half machine by now

[red dagger]

oh for sure, he's walking down that lonesome road, spurs jingling and jangling.

[fresh shoal]

Survivalist made it to 70 with no implants in a newly irradiated world

[red dagger]

or maybe he brought ED-E or Rex with him as his companion.

[frank widget]

ehhh i guess? would be weird to add the courier to the show or any of the ingame protagonists

[fresh shoal]

Wherever the Courier is I think if he took any two companions he took ED-E and Rex (yeah I know you can’t do that in the game who cares)

[frank widget]

he installed a mod on nexusmods to allow him to do it dw

[red dagger]

the perfect ending

[cold crater]

I wouldn't add any protagonist to the show but... come on, Courier is improtant to the Mojave, I hope they will mention him

[clever basalt]

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

I WAS RIZZED AT BY A CANADIAN

[vast wasp]

🤢

[onyx grove]

a canuck

[frank widget]

yeah i mean maybe as like a "legend" or word of mouth would be cool ig

[red dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/fnv-fallout-new-vegas-obsidian-ncr-gif-20094969

[cold crater]

yeah true

[frank widget]

what if she isnt even canadian 😟

[red dagger]

I'm wondering if Marcus is still around. We do hear the gruff voice, so it could either be:
-Super Mutants
-Goris the Deathclaw.

[cold crater]

what if she isn't even buds bud?

[cold crater]

I don't think they'll show Goris

[frank widget]

probably a super mutant, goris too "niche"

[cold crater]

they will kill him in the same episode, probably

I want to see working stealth boy in the show

[full ginkgo]

Due to message size limits, this is going to be in several parts but we have a lot to talk about regarding the damage Episode 4 has done.

Destroying The Best - It's now painfully clear that Todd is a very petty man. I mean we knew this already, withholding review codes from those who criticize his games and things like that. But he reached an entire new low. It wasn't bad enough he destroyed Shady Sands and the NCR. Now he had to go and destroy New Vegas, because it's better than anything he's ever had his fingertips on. He always hated it and his treatment of it in this show is a giant neon sign saying so. The Strip = destroyed, Primm = destroyed, Camp Golf = destroyed, Camp McCarran = destroyed. Everywhere we've seen in this show that was in New Vegas is destroyed. The Legion being wrecked in a single episode is another example. The NCR being referred to as "guys in matching jackets" is very much a reflection of how Todd and BGS see a product they hate so much because it's so much better than anything they've ever worked on. The jealousy and pettiness is disgusting and Todd should be utterly ashamed of himself. The man is pathetic.

The Strip - Where to begin? For starters where the hell did Lucy and The Ghoul come in? We all know there is only one entrance to The Strip, the one in Freeside. Yet Lucy and The Ghoul have yet to go to Freeside it seems, as The Ghoul keeps mentioning they should go there to find some answers as to what happened. The geography is all over the damn place, we saw how they got Novac wrong, we saw them add pre war structures where there was none before, and now this. They couldn't be bothered to get the most recognizable part of Fallout New Vegas right. At first it appears Lucy and The Ghoul came in via Freeside yet when you see the surrounding area, it becomes obvious they did not. It appears the duo went into The Strip from the south and not the north, given the existence of the New Vegas sign and the landscape. Thing is there was no entrance gate from the south before, why is it there now? Then we get into The Strip and it's like they came in from the north gate. Which they didn't. They didn't even try to make any of this fit. Then we get to the buildings... why the hell is the Lucky 38 and Ultra Luxe right on top of each other? They are quite far apart in the game, there are gates between them first of all. Second of all Las Vegas Boulevard Station which occupies the freaking MONORAIL from Camp McCarran is just completely missing. Also Vault 21 is now just plopped down in between Lucky 38 & Gomorrah, though it could just be a sign but I don't think so as that's probably where Hank is. What the hell? I mean seriously, how do you completely screw up the most iconic location in New Vegas up THIS bad?

Sunset Sarsaparilla HQ - Man, this show really doesn't know it's geography at all or more likely, doesn't give a damn. Considering the proximity to New Vegas, it's very likely meant to be the same one as we see in the game. But now it's in a mountain? Why, just why? Stupid pointless changes. Why do this? Why purposely screw things up? How is this show possibly canonical?

[red dagger]

as a New Vegas hardcore fan, I'm happy with Vegas so far. Remember, we only got to see the short term effects of the ending slides in teh game, we never got to see 15 years ahead of the time frame.

[opal tiger]

Yes Man can't so anything without the Courier , Assuming the courier only delivered the Chip and left . Unless House & Yes Man teamed up or something , idk - unlikely though .

[cold crater]

god damn

[full ginkgo]

The Kings - This felt like yet another middle finger, we know how much Todd and the showrunners like to give the middle finger to the players of the games. They've done so several times in Season 1 and continue to do so in Season 2. That's literally all this was, it's them basically saying "you like this minor faction we didn't create better than all of our major factions" well watch this. Then they just piss all over it. They also made sure to show The King himself is in no better of a situation, had to hit that final nail in their coffin. Disgusting.

Elder Maxson Is Alive - So just a couple weeks ago we got confirmation the airship that's been around since Season 1 was not The Prydwen after all. This brought back the possibility of The Institute and The Railroad as options for the ending of Fallout 4. Well we were only allowed a couple weeks to enjoy that before these showrunners and Todd decided to say "sike gaming losers" by now confirming Elder Maxson survived Fallout 4. Now you could say, maybe the other Elders are assuming he's alive and because they aren't actually talking to Xander, but instead talking to Thaddeus, he can't correct them. Yeah, that doesn't work because the show takes place ten years after Fallout 4. They've not been cut off from The Commonwealth for a decade. Bottom line here is they once again destroyed any possibility of The Institute or The Railroad as possible ways to play Fallout 4 with. Killing replayability once again.

The "Comedy" - So the comedy in this show is so damn cringe and most of the time, doesn't fit the scene. When the one Elder stabs the other Elder in front of yet another Elder, that Elder watching says it was cool. I feel like the showrunners think this whole universe is one big comedy. Yeah Fallout has always had comedic moments, and usually quite dark comedic moments. But the timing was always much better than this. This isn't the first time the comedy didn't fit in the moment with this show, hardly.

CHEMS! They're called chems - What is with this show constantly calling chems, drugs? Yeah they're called drugs in the games here and there but 95% of the time, if not more they're called CHEMS. Why can't they get the basic terminology of the Fallout universe right? Why do they lack any desire to be faithful to the lore? While on that topic of terminology, they have yet to once to refer to New Vegas as New Vegas. It's always just Vegas or Las Vegas. It hasn't been called that for 220 years, wtf? Back to Chems, why is Lucy acting like an idiot with anger issues on... Buffout? That's not what Buffout does, it's not Jet or Psycho that makes you angry and homicidal. Buffout simply makes you stronger, it's a steroid. Why is she acting like she is high on Jet or Psycho? They don't even know, or don't care what each chem will make you feel and how you'll behave.

So those are the massive issues with Episode 4 as the showrunners and Todd continue to destroy the once amazing IP that is Fallout. It's so sad to see them do this to my favorite franchise of all time. I know many of you here will disagree with me and that's fine, you might not be as passionate about Fallout as I am, and that's totally fine. But for those of us that really do care about Fallout, there's a mix of anger and sadness seeing them doing this to our favorite franchise.

[red dagger]

bruh, complaining about the Kings? Seriously?

[frank widget]

😟

[opal tiger]

He does this every week.

[full ginkgo]

It was a slap in the face

[red dagger]

tell me you didn't accidentally fuck over the Kings in the game without telling me you didn't accidentally fuck over the Kings in the game

[opal tiger]

He comes in, posts a Novela, calls everyone fake fans who doesn't agree with him, and leaves. Lol

[frank widget]

why are we acting like the Kings were going to be some important characters in a fallout TV show😟

[red dagger]

literally was one of my first "oopsie doopsies" when doing a House Run

[vast wasp]

Chems and drugs were both used prewar

[full ginkgo]

I'm not wrong though in what I am saying, these are issues

[red dagger]

in fact, I bet that was probably a common mistake from New Vegas players. "I did a House run, but I accidentally booted the Kings out of Freeside because I was being too nice to the NCR"

[opal tiger]

Yeah you would be surprised. It happened often.

[full ginkgo]

Well they weren't. But they are VERY important to Fallout New Vegas. They are such a fan favorite faction and this show, these showrunners and Todd specifically chose to spit all over it

[cold crater]

I mean... you're player, you're free to do anything in a roleplay game

[full ginkgo]

I never did that

[red dagger]

I know, I'm just pointing on on Wingy's rant on the Kings being a middle finger when in reality, it's tied close to the ending slides

[flint yoke]

Fake fan detected, "chems" is a Bethesda retcon. FO1 and 2 say "drugs" all the time, even referencing modern drug slang in the dialogue.

[red dagger]

so it's not really a middle finger, it's more of a hint of what happened.

[full ginkgo]

Both most of the time "drugs" are used, it's been in post war scenes

[cold crater]

devs on the other hand just turned them into ghouls and Lucy kills The King cause it looks REAL COOOOOOOOL

[vast wasp]

Elder maxon being alive isent a retcon or a issue

[opal tiger]

Nah that wasn't Arthur in fo4, trust

[frank widget]

idk ive had like 0 problems with any of the faction wipe outs tbh they all made sense to me. 15 year time skip, cesar is dead. The game itself says that when Cesar dies there will be a power struggle

who gives a fuck if theyre called drugs or chems this is actually doing too much lol

[opal tiger]

It was his cousin Arther

[vast wasp]

Most of these are just nickpicks

[full ginkgo]

Not really, in fact the fact The Kings were ghouls canonizes they survive the House ending. Because they have to be alive to get irradiated to hell.

[opal tiger]

Yeah like I said he does it every week, he'll disappear after an hour or two and come back next week like clockwork.

You can go back to every episode chat and see. Lmao

[full ginkgo]

Didn't say it was a retcon but it is a BIG issue. It removed the replayablity of Fallout 4 but taking 2 of the 4 endings and making them no longer possible. Because in both The Institute and Railroad endings, he dies.

[full ginkgo]

NONE of them are nitpicks, these are major issues

[cold crater]

15 years, not 150

[frank widget]

no way youre saying a show removed replayability...lmaooo

[vast wasp]

Killing maxon allso takes the replayability

[opal tiger]

No he's dead serious.

[full ginkgo]

That is exactly what it did

[vast wasp]

You can't have it both ways

[flint yoke]

Lmao what a joke

[cold crater]

Showrunners change everything, and they do so very massively

[opal tiger]

Like I said you can go back, look at every episode chat previously - he's done this same shit, over and over.

[flint yoke]

Crybaby crash out

[frank widget]

so you boot up fo4 and get pressed because a show decided to keep a character alive

[cold crater]

Look at the situation in isolation from the fact that you liked the show. There was Mojave, and now it has deteriorated beyond recognition.

[vast wasp]

Just because it's didn't make your character cannon it doesn't mean the show is bad

[red dagger]

don't really care on that. The institute ending (or siding with them) was incredibly unrealistic on the players part. Lot of fans agreed that siding with the Institute is just either mustache twirling comically evil or just downright dumb.

[full ginkgo]

Yes this is true. This is why they shouldn't be anywhere near these established locations. They shouldn't have gone to California, shouldn't of gone to the Mojave. Shouldn't mention The Commonwealth at all. Don't canonize anything while you don't have a new game to offer with a bunch of new choices to make.

[red dagger]

like it's really hard to lean into that faction.

[cold crater]

bruh take

[vast wasp]

You should cannonize things

[cold crater]

Fallout 2 takes replayability too?

[vast wasp]

Why do fallout fans whine about things getting cannonized

[full ginkgo]

Yep, the sad truth of it and you just know Todd is in on this New Vegas destruction

[cold crater]

why Todd bruh?

[vast wasp]

🤡

[frank widget]

idk the stuff that are canonized litrally have ingame evidence to back it up

[cold crater]

Blame showrunners, not fucking Todd

[flint yoke]

I hope Todd walks into the camera frame and shoots a box of NV just to make you mad

[opal tiger]

He denies it's existence, says it's not true, or it's bullshit.

[fresh shoal]

Tldr you’re telling me Todd is jealous he can’t make a Fallout as good as Interplay/Obsidian? tell me something I haven’t known for ten years

[vast wasp]

I hope the courier is revealed to be todd howard

[red dagger]

but we don't see that destruction. Freeside is fine, it's the Strip that got totaled...or really just evacuated because Oh I don't know, there's roided out lizards with 1-foot long claws that can turn you inside out in half a second?

[cold crater]

that would be funny as hell

[broken swallow]

Fuck off. No lmao

[red dagger]

I'd laugh my ass off if that was the case.

[full ginkgo]

Actually The Institute are the only faction that doesn't set off a nuke a block away from Diamond City. I would argue they're the cloest thing to a "good guy" faction in Fallout 4. But you just said my point, you don't care. You aren't a passionate Fallout fan like myself. You're a casual fan at best, nothing wrong with that. But you can't really pretend to understand these issues for true fans.

[fresh shoal]

If they could just canonize him as a male chaotic neutral cyborg wearing riot gear and wielding an AMR that would be great

[opal tiger]

Same. Lol

[red dagger]

takes off his helmet. "Whose laughing now?"

[fresh shoal]

We don’t need to know which ending he picked

[opal tiger]

LMAO

[red dagger]

Me, Todd, I'M LAUGHING NOW, jesus christ

[fresh shoal]

I just want a courier saving the day from a mile away scene ok

[cold crater]

Yes, I was a delievery guy.

[fresh shoal]

Imagine they’re running from the Deathclaw and it just gets hit in the brain with an explosive .50 BMG

[full ginkgo]

Yes... in future games when you have a variety of new choices to make. Now we have Fallout New Vegas with one option (no choices left) and Fallout 4 with two options (half the field is gone) and a new Fallout game is 15 years or so away

[frank widget]

so the home alone kid survived the bombs dropping. home alone movie takes place in 1990 which means by 2077 he would be like over 90 years old. That means vault tec created cryogenic pods many years before the bombs dropped

boom i just cracked the case!!

[full ginkgo]

I do blame the showrunners, but he is also very much involved in this show

[fresh shoal]

And they’re like “who did that?“
Pan to courier a mile away with a smoking barrel
“Everybody gets one…”

[red dagger]

yeah no, they just wipe out nearly every other opposition and continue fucking with the local populace because "Luhmao, reasons, haha, experiments, amirite?"

[frank widget]

who wouldve thought that kevin would become a member of the legion

[foggy apex]

God I love the audio they gave the deathclaw

It’s so .. alien yet recognizably reptilian

[red dagger]

you can tell there's definitely human mixed in the deathclaws genes

[flint yoke]

Yeah there is 💦

[faint saddle]

[vast wasp]

Homelander after failing to be a super hero he joins the legion

[full ginkgo]

This isn't about stating the obvious, it's about calling out outrageous pettiness

[foggy apex]

We are the most dangerous predator on the planet

[vast wasp]

Like you are doing right know

Todd isn't petty

[frank widget]

its been said a billion times but new vegas devs even like the show and the direction lmaoo

[flint yoke]

Todd simply is

[foggy apex]

People seem to ascribe pettiness and emotions to Todd , when bros just the mouthpiece for the company

[red dagger]

seeing a deathclaw in a hunched position to allow themselves into human regions is fucking nightmare fuel.

[cold crater]

WAAAAAHHHH BETHESDA DESTROYED NEW VEGAS

Actually, the scriptwriters' work is based on a monumental analysis of Fallout: New Vegas. They reflect the fate of the Divide which was destroyed by the Courier without malicious intent, depicting how the Courier also destroyed the Mojave with his actions, reinforcing the idea that the player is to blame for everything, ending the Courier's arc with such a brilliant move.

[red dagger]

if only they could master that in F4 with a proper hunched over animation to chase people into buildings.

[full ginkgo]

Not saying they were 100% good, but they were better than the other options

[foggy apex]

She could have just kept at her normal stance and gotten out , but chose deliberately to fuck with them by showing just how strong she is

[flint yoke]

Also I don't know if it's intentional or not but there is an amusing parallel between Thaddeus awkwardly clunking into the doorframe vs the Deathclaw casually pushing through the entire vestibule

[frank widget]

the courier is in a coma the whole time and everything that happens in fallout new vegas is just a dream

[cold crater]

what if Chris Avelonne kidnapped Godd Howard and pretends to be him, enforcing his idea of nuking NCR?

[ebon venture]

yeah imagine wiping out the Mojave and the West Coast who would ever write that as an ending to every dlc in a TV show

[cold crater]

and this is why Coop(edgy fucker) is one of the main characters

[full ginkgo]

I don't care what Tim Cain says, he has obviously lost it as time went on. He worked on Outer Worlds 1 and I believe the sequel which was even worse. Chris Avellone on the other hand has been critical of the show, and has called out the bullshit. Because he knows Fallout

[worthy obsidian]

the wasteland is a paradise everything is good and we should all be happy moral do gooders

[flint yoke]

Lmao the coping lmao the seething

[ebon venture]

now imagine one climbing

[vast wasp]

Chris avellone mad that new vegas isent destoryed by tunnlers

[full ginkgo]

Just say you're a fake fan bro

[full ginkgo]

another fake fan

[frank widget]

who owns fallout lol bathesda lol bathesda calls the shots and everything they say is the new fallout deal with it

[red dagger]

my reaction to that was like:
sees the deathclaw form "Oh shit, it's a deathclaw!"
reveals the horns in the light "Oh what the fuck?! Is that a Matriarch or Alpha Male? THe Horns are huge!"
Rears up and literally CRUNCHES the ceiling and steel foundation without a fucking bit of hindrance "WHAT THE FUCK?! They can just push through that shit like it's nothing?! RUN!"

[full ginkgo]

so many in here, it's sad

[vast wasp]

"Only bethsida haters are real fans"

[ebon venture]

just wait until we learn that deathclaws can tunnel

[full ginkgo]

Yep, they're killing the franchise

[full ginkgo]

Dude, BGS hasn't been a company to take seriously in a decade. Where have you been?

[worthy obsidian]

Bethesda isn’t exactly a renowned company

[red dagger]

Lore Deathclaws are fucking fitting to their name, holy christ

[flint yoke]

Interplay killed the franchise my dude

[vast wasp]

It's sad you're hating on pepole for liking things and calling them fake fans like a petty ass fanboy

[orchid pond]

@full ginkgo @cold crater Time to drop the whole topic and move on instead, if you are using terms like fake fan then .. you know. Youve hit the point where you are attempting to gatekeep others from having opinions and it wont be anything constructive from that point.

[worthy obsidian]

99.9% of arguments aren’t constructive

at least on discord

[opal tiger]

Then don't partake in the arguments.

[red dagger]

I'm excited to see PA vs Deathclaw, this should be good.

[orchid pond]

You can dislike the direction in where bethesda is taking the franchise, that doesnt mean its destroying the franchise, it might lead to you being able to enjoy it being destroyed, though - thats fine, you can move on to other franchises and watch/play things you enjoy instead.

[flint yoke]

I was disappointed by the teddy bear claws in 4, the Ohio Deathclaws put the fear back in me, seeing a Deathclaw in action on screen brought me back to that fateful afternoon causally strolling through Sloan.

[cold crater]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-gif-13246854

[orchid pond]

why do you think we contain them to #fallout_general?

[worthy obsidian]

lol

[frank widget]

yeah that roided deathclaw whos built like fucking hercules is ripping that power armor into pieces

[full ginkgo]

No no, I am not gatekeeping anything. I am simply explaining how passionate I am about Fallout and how little the showrunners and some here are. No reason to stop discussing. I am making my points, that's all. I have spoken to a previous mod about this and I never insulted anyone or anything. I am simply speaking my mind. Is speaking my mind against the rules, mod? Let me know if giving my opinion is against the rules

[foggy apex]

teddybear claws, what fucking ga,me were you playing

[flint yoke]

I'm just begging them to do a bit of vfx so it doesn't look like two puppets slapping each other again

[faint saddle]

Apparently Max gets the NCR power armor next episode

[frank widget]

maximus...😕

[flint yoke]

I said 4. You literally fight a deathclaw in the first real mission and all it does is bounce you around and die like an idiot.

[full ginkgo]

Now you insulted me, for what? I didn't insult you. I spoke my opinion. Which I happen to believe is true.

[red dagger]

yeah, he powers up NCR salvaged PA, which btw, to have people moving in that without Fusion core is nuts.

[foggy apex]

the deathclaws in 4 actually look realistic and threatening, the claws are way more functional too depsite being being shorter legnthwise.

[twin kelp]

Cause she’s the girl all the bad guys want

[worthy obsidian]

Maximus is like a bull in a china shop

[vast wasp]

You called us fake fans

[fresh shoal]

“lol we don’t have anybody with power armor training you can have this” — dumbass NCR lady

[vast wasp]

But anywas

[foggy apex]

yes, how the first one was used was bad, i dont disagree, but to say the 3 design is better is a bit laughable

[fresh shoal]

Tell me you don’t know the lore without telling me

[faint saddle]

Na it's not the same armor

[fresh shoal]

Pre-war.

[flint yoke]

They are not. They are US army super weapons.

[worthy obsidian]

NCR Ranger armor looks goofy imo

[opal tiger]

Pre-war experiments. Lore was changed a while ago. A looong time ago.

[vast wasp]

Deathclaws were prewar

[foggy apex]

deathclaws have been pre war since the series conception

[flint yoke]

The enclave was trying to tame them and made weird variant offshoots

[full ginkgo]

I believe it very much is destroying the franchise though. I am not enjoying it being destroyed, I am very upset at what they're doing. That is why I am here calling it out.

[twin kelp]

I think they look worst in fallout 4 it’s just my opinion I like how terrifying they are in the show NV and 3 and I like how difficult they make them showing that even a 200 year old ghoul who’s kills possibly thousands of people is afraid

[faint saddle]

It looks awesome to me, the fo4 mod is sick

[orchid pond]

yes, when you call people fake fans for disagreeing with you, you are about to violate the rules, thats why i told you to lay it off before you cross the line.

If you want a direct definition of it, you are violating rule 4 by starting to drop personal insults, dont do that. If you can behave - all good, if you continue it, do so at your own choice since if it ends up continuing down the same path, youll get a timeout in the naughty corner to think about your behaviour.

[fresh shoal]

Still need to get a print of that to hang up…

[full ginkgo]

My opinion, my observation. Not everyone here, just some

[flint yoke]

Even the oldest of lore was based on the idea that the US was planning on dropping Deathclaws and Super Mutants into mainland China which is when the Chinese fired the first missiles.

[lusty ruin]

76 is fine now and is canon

[foggy apex]

f76 does exist so quite frankly, suck it up

[frank widget]

76 is goated

[lusty ruin]

honestly i need to play more 76.

[full ginkgo]

Fine I will stop referring to others as fake fans, but I will continue to voice my displeasure with this show

[twin kelp]

In the show I’m ngl it kinda looks like dog shit I mean it feels like they just put the ranger helmet on it for nostalgic purposes

[orchid pond]

you arent calling it out though, you are basically saying that your opinion is the only one that matters, while thats accurate to you, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, that doesnt mean one is more important than the other, or that someone elses matters to others.

[faint saddle]

76 has actual good lore in it, don't have to like the gameplay but to dismiss the lore in it just because of that is dumb

[lusty ruin]

show leak

[red dagger]

I think they hit it right with the Deathclaw in the show. It's got the feeling of F4, but it's definitely thicker, like wider in frame. Also has that awesome hunched position like they used to in Fo1/2

slide in the stats of NV, you got a proper monster of death.

[twin kelp]

I feel like it’s the opposite for me

[frank widget]

oh i dont like this lol

[flint yoke]

76 is the only true fallout tbh. It's the purest post post apocalypse game.

[lusty ruin]

and trailer so not a leak

[twin kelp]

Yea this is what I mean there’s really no reason for there to be a ranger helmet on it not only that they made it so fat and ugly

[faint saddle]

Ou Thaddeus is there too

[orchid pond]

so, thats maximus isnt it

[faint saddle]

Yes

[fresh shoal]

Actual good lore like…

Enclave has all the US gold hidden under a mountain and will trade you sweet gear for gold bars because they’re trying to rebuild the gold standard?

Appalachian Enclave bases have an endless supply of nuclear warheads?

[lusty ruin]

yeah it is, next frame in trailer is him fighting the deathclaw

[twin kelp]

Does anyone know if this is next episode?

[faint saddle]

https://youtu.be/8NPFjxs6xjA?si=EZjRxhY9smX88QOO

[twin kelp]

Why would he not be?

[fresh shoal]

There is some good lore in 76 but there is also some terrible lore that had to be shoehorned in because it’s an MMO

[red dagger]

yessir, our NCR boi is back to where he should be, trying to help others fight deathclaws out of the area.

[vast wasp]

That's the secert service not the enclave

[orchid pond]

id love it being lucy on jet aswell

[full ginkgo]

When did I say only my opinion matters? I am here to vent and discuss, not just one or the other. I personally believe as someone who is as passionate about the franchise as I am knows what I am talking about. So yeah, I don't care if anyone has a different opinion, but you can't simply say I'm wrong with no reason.

[flint yoke]

The secret service is not the enclave, for starters

[twin kelp]

Goat right here

[fresh shoal]

Literally same same imo

[lusty ruin]

we know Thaddeus will meet up with Cooper somehow, and also cooper seperates from lucy, i assume after she literally punches cooper out of the window with a power fist

[vast wasp]

It's literally not

The enclave isn't the secert service

[flint yoke]

Second, canonically only 3 nukes are launched. One for each silo. The silos being perpetual nuke generators is a game mechanic

[twin kelp]

Hate to break it to u it’s Maximus in there

[worthy obsidian]

half of the season got spoiled for me simply by looking at the Amazon clothing line

[orchid pond]

im not saying you are wrong, what im saying is that you voicing your opinion and calling people fake fans at the same time ends up coming across as you saying your opinion is the only one that matters.

I'm loving the show at the moment, sure, the direction isnt what i expected after NV, but it hasnt outright violated anything aside from shuffling a few things around on the world map, which is fine.

[placid marten]

so like, any ideas of what happened?

[twin kelp]

Lucy prolly gets injured and can’t do shit from the death claw

[orchid pond]

im fine with that too

[fresh shoal]

Oh so there’s another remnant of the US govt in play on the east coast? That’s even worse writing 💀

[red dagger]

buffout withdrawals?

[frank widget]

maximus actually needs to be eaten by that deathclaw he is such a knucklehead

[worthy obsidian]

ghoul probably breaks Lucy’s silly moral code again and pisses her off

[flint yoke]

Yeah it came free with your collapse of civil order

[opal tiger]

You literally call everyone out every week who disagrees with your opinion and attempt to assert yourself as arbiter and everyone who doesn't share your mindset is bad, and or fake. Your messages are logged in all the previous chats man. It's tiring.

[placid marten]

could be, but she looks super angry

[orchid pond]

She did jet in the trailer, if i recall.

Lucy's going through withdrawls and somehow got a hold of a power fist

[red dagger]

probably said something she didn't like to hear while on that hunger for more buffout

[twin kelp]

How the fuck do you figure this out that’s awesome but I think the ghoul is falling out of the kings building

[fresh shoal]

Maximus definitely should’ve shot Quintus but if Quintus gets a cool fitting death later on I’ll overlook that

[flint yoke]

The brotherhood is also a remnant of the US government

[orchid pond]

so we got a raging lucy with a power fist punching the ghoul, i absolutely hope thatsj it

[lusty ruin]

not goverment

[orchid pond]

or shes pumped up on jet, lmao

[red dagger]

Cooper probably said something snide towards a withdrawal Lucy and that got her in a fit of rage.

[placid marten]

Its already in the trailer

[foggy apex]

FUCKING KIIIIILL

[lusty ruin]

US army, only a group that defected some days before the war. not the goverment

[twin kelp]

So it’s the ghoul she punches out?

[red dagger]

and seeing the Power Fist, that must've hurt a LOT

[steady night]

Just as you can't just call people fake fans or tourists for no reason at all
You are literally doing to everyone in this chat so at this point I'm really thinking maybe Todd isn't the petty one lol

[twin kelp]

Why is Lucy always hitting my goat

[vast wasp]

The brotherhood got spared by the great war

[red dagger]

getting fucking decked by that and sent flying out the window.

[fresh shoal]

I mean, they went rogue pre-war technically in direct opposition of all of that bs

[flint yoke]

Only Maxson's group defected before the war. There are other chapters from surviving army groups that joined later

[dull urchin]

enclave is the fed gov, BOS is the army

[fresh garnet]

Won’t hurt more than when he finds out whatever happens to his daughter 😅

[opal tiger]

I still wanna know what he said or did to piss her off so badly. Lol

[twin kelp]

Ghoul has put up w her shit for way to long I’m surprised he hasn’t tried to off her yet

[full ginkgo]

My opinion is I am more passionate than most, and I feel other passionate Fallout fans would share this opinion and I know they have. I have seen plenty others say the same things as I am.

I am hating the show at the moment, because I know Fallout so well surely you could understand how I'd question how you are enjoying it yes? Especially if you truly care about the franchise. To say it's not violated anything is ignoring obvious problems.

[faint saddle]

No as he's falling you see the atomic wrangler sign on the building he falls from

[fresh shoal]

I doubt any of them were privy to what the Enclave and Vault Tec were doing though

[twin kelp]

Why come to th show chat if u hate the show

[flint yoke]

Because she's useful

[opal tiger]

No, none of them I can't imagine they have any idea