EPISODE 4

[real shuttle]

Hanlon doesn't say when

You'd want it regardless.

[ripe nova]

I am curious if they just assumed raiders did that over what actually happened

[faint saddle]

When? I mean he is talking in present tense implying the aquifers are already drained

[foggy apex]

Speaking of , how was v32 cleaned up after you know, the hundreds of bodies and blood everywhere

[olive kiln]

I think show will drag on a bit, ultimately the pre-war Enclave being responsible for everything (person overlooking meeting of Vault-Tec with other companies with Barb Howard in Season 1 is representative of the Enclave 101%)

[real shuttle]

Hanlon gives no time frame for the draining. He speaks about old world lakes and dams and shit.

[opal tiger]

I imagine they recycled the bodies or just burned them.

[foggy apex]

We all assumed that v31 was woken up to clean it up, but that’s clearly not the case now

[real shuttle]

It could have been last week it could have been 100 years ago.

Hell the dams could have broke via lack of repair.

[opal tiger]

It probably is, but just want confirmation.

[real shuttle]

All we know is the water is gone - we do not know that that is crippling the ncr.

Because if it was 100 years ago the ncr would have adapted.

(Well, it didn't exist, but you get my point.)

[opal tiger]

They did say season 3 filming will begin in May, too. So hopefully we'll get the next season not long after.

[vast wasp]

31 likley

[real shuttle]

The problem is people take this one quote and hinge the entire doom of the ncr on it.

Water wise.

[foggy apex]

It can’t be 31 cus it’s shown they can’t reenter

[real shuttle]

And it just... isn't accurate enough to do that

[opal tiger]

Yeah people do this with a bunch of factions, and I think it's probably the worst thing in regards to the show.

[dark geyser]

I'm annoyed the deathclaw in the flashback didn't have an control device on its head

[olive kiln]

NCR is in disarray because of the Shady Sands getting nuked and other unfortunate developments that usually happen in the wasteland (people losing interest / discipline / means to stay in groups) that happened in the meantime

[vast wasp]

They can reenter bud messed with the door

[opal tiger]

Why? The control devices for animals weren't pre-war my guy.

[real shuttle]

Like, it could be right, but if it was I'd expect like anyone else to mention it and no one does.

[foggy apex]

It’s probably done via some sort of vaccine

It doesn’t really matter if they can reenter because the people wpuld be way more aware of what going on

[real shuttle]

Oh sorry I'm on about new Vegas

Basically in the show people are doing the same thing - they're taking a quote as accurate without realising people can be flawed and misunderstood

Re comments about the commonwealth.

And this has happened before in nv regarding the ncr.

[midnight cosmos]

Betty specifically says she went into 31 and found Bud, the empty pods, etc.

So access is possible.

[opal tiger]

Thank you. 🙏🏿

[foggy apex]

No I mean the pods

They can’t reenter the cryopods

[vast wasp]

They can

[real shuttle]

Like, do people really trust fucking quintus on the commonwealth? Do they trust zander? Really?

[vast wasp]

Bud tells norm to enter his dad's pod

[midnight cosmos]

They must be able to if Bud was - yeah.

[faint saddle]

"Back west, you don't see too many of these. Lakes, I mean. Natural or man-made. Any kind, really. We neglected the dams or pumped all the water out a long time ago. Owens, Isabella, the San Luis. Drained the aquifers of everything they had. Just a lot of mud and dust now. It's a different feeling, watching the sun come up over the water. Takes some getting used to. But if you're here long enough, it starts to seem normal. That's what a ranger's life is now. Looking east."

[foggy apex]

Yeah.. bud. The guy who tried to kill him

[foggy pendant]

I think they should just ditch this TV show mumbo jumbo and make Fallout: BOS 2 already.

[dark geyser]

You sure about that?, pretty sure it's pre war otherwise the death claw would just attack anyone, think the enclave is just using the pre war tech in fallout 3

[foggy apex]

The guy who doesn’t want him there and wants him out of the way

[midnight cosmos]

That being said, the woman Norm talked to outside says that this was all “last week” for her.

[chilly breach]

im curious is the death claw cgi or practical from jim hendersons creature shop

[vast wasp]

And the vault dwellers say they get awaken up yearly

[midnight cosmos]

So maybe she didn’t get woke up for cleanup duty.

[ripe nova]

I wonder was bud able to gas vaults 32/33 in case of uprisings

[opal tiger]

The Commonwealth one bothers me because the Chapters are interconnected enough - Xander is literally rocking power armor spares. SPARES. 1 fuckinf Paladin has two sets, it doesn't seem like a struggle to me. Lol not to mention, Quintus would've brought it up if they were fighting someone else, for sure. But not a single person outside of Xander says it.

[foggy apex]

Yeah that’s what I just said, the people would be pretty aware that they were woken up before . And wouldn’t be playing along with norms lies

[foggy pendant]

Can the human body even handle that shit?

[vast wasp]

Scfi logic

[foggy pendant]

Being cryogenically frozen and refrozen over and over and over?

[real shuttle]

Yeah. So when did the water go away.

Hanlon never saw it there. He's not used to water. He literally says it.

So how old is he?

Now tell me, how imminent is this drought? Or is it something the ncr is used to.

It might be recent. It might be old. We don't know. So saying it's proof of imminent downfall like many do is a bit much.

[lusty ruin]

my s2 problem is that

while sets, costumes, are really good

I dislike how depopulated vegas is

all the factions are in disarray

yeah the Kings looked good but did we need them to be ghouls

[foggy apex]

You’ve got that wrong. One gets woken and then sent out

[ripe nova]

Bud claims 30 year cycles

[foggy apex]

One per vault

[opal tiger]

Deathclaws are engineered pre-war, the control devices are not. Deathclaws didn't have those devices until FO2 or FO3

[foggy pendant]

me personally i had a bigger problem with the "fuck you" of turning the king into the generic enemy with a crown next to his name in a fallout 4 dungeon

[foggy apex]

The deathclaws likely worked via pheromones. The us army was likely vaccinated with a compound specifically so the deathclaws could tell

[midnight cosmos]

A lot of this stuff it’s probably best to chill out and wait and see.

[chilly breach]

normal cryo freezing makes all your cells explode my guess is they only had enough of a special chemical to stop that for 1 freezing

[lusty ruin]

what?

[foggy apex]

Also it’s possible the deathclaw was mimicking. It sounds like it’s mimicking her ‘okydoky’ at the end

[opal tiger]

Yeah, you can kind of tell the engineering for them indicated who was an enemy and who wasn't. It ripped to shreds the Chinese, but left alone the American.

[midnight cosmos]

Nate/Nora gets refrozen in FO4 with no obvious ill effects.

[foggy pendant]

killing such an iconic character off like a nameless npc, the kind at the end of a fallout 4 dungeon that has the 👑 icon next to their name usually

[foggy apex]

Also sounds like a possible few other words said that imply it’s sorta aware he’s a conscious human

[real shuttle]

A) the enclave has made death claws who speak before...

B) cats do that anyway so it doesn't have to be A).

[foggy apex]

But we’ll have to wait and see if they actually go with mimicking beign a proper thing

[still vigil]

Fallout fans when people die in the wasteland

[chilly breach]

its fictional cryo science theres too many what ifs

[foggy pendant]

tourist ass response 😭

[opal tiger]

Lol

[chilly breach]

almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter

[foggy apex]

It’s really low and hard to hear that’s why I say I dunno if it actually is mimicking speech

[midnight cosmos]

Right. The “science” of Fallout World is really more “Science!”

[foggy apex]

It might jsut be grumbles

[still vigil]

“Tourist” 🤓

[vast wasp]

It's just deathclaw nosies

[lusty ruin]

i just want some kings to be alive, we see the kings school of impersonation building in next episodes

[foggy pendant]

i think it's pretty obvious i meant it was fairly unacceptable for a character of such importance to be relegated to a random enemy that gets dropped in one shot, but i think you knew that already and just wanted to be contrarian @still vigil

[midnight cosmos]

The Deathclaw noises were captioned as “chitteringl for what that’s worth.

[tough viper]

So then make up a better plot point? Why create this ambiguity that creates lore issues and questions if all you want is to showcase xander wanting the cold fusion

[opal tiger]

The script said grumbles, I tried looking for any words earlier. Couldn't find any.

[foggy apex]

Let me hope dammit

[ripe nova]

Though the fact three exist in one vault suggests its maybe 25ish years

[still vigil]

Such importance? Bro was hardly a side note

[foggy apex]

Goris supremacy

[faint saddle]

Think someone said earlier they could have used pheromones unknowingly on their own soldiers to make the deathclaws recognize them as friend

[vast wasp]

Plus talking deathclaws can fully speak

[foggy apex]

Me :)

[foggy pendant]

lmao bethesda fans

[dark geyser]

Fallout 4 + MCU = The fallout tv show

[lusty ruin]

5-7 ghoul kings? there should be more kings

[faint saddle]

There is

[opal tiger]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Keep in mind these are the FIRST Deathclaws to be released into the wild, most likely. So they are probably the most engineered.

[chilly breach]

dont forget the acult and aliens

[foggy apex]

Talking deathclaws do it specifically by mimicking speech not actually having vocal cords, they’re also described as gruff

[faint saddle]

Johnathan Nolan already said not all of the kings are ghouls

[vast wasp]

Bro was barly of importance

[foggy apex]

It would sound ironically exactly like the trailers voice everyone’s theorizing about

[midnight cosmos]

Also re: killing off The King - given what we’ve seen so far, most of the FONV named cast are dead. Caesar definitely is, Lanius most likely is, and most of the companions likely are too.

[lusty ruin]

did he say we'll see them

[urban mulch]

maybe the king escaped and someone else stole his jacket

[opal tiger]

Yup. I've said this since day 1, expect everyone but House and Victor to be gone. But everyone whined over it. Lol

[still vigil]

Wait youre telling me people die in the post apocalypse after 15 years of war in the region????

[faint saddle]

They're also most likely fairly young ones, whereas the intelligent deathclaws in fo2 slowly became intelligent over time because of additional enclave modifications that had unintentional effects

[foggy apex]

The ghoul kings (there’s like 5 iirc) might just be naturally occurring ghouls . Even tho I think a rad attack is a likely plot point

[real shuttle]

The problem's not that people die, it's that it's cheap and feels wasted.

[midnight cosmos]

I mean, it’d be awesome as hell to have Danny Trejo show up as Raul, but I don’t expect it.

[urban mulch]

also how the fuck is cooper still not feral if the kings went feral after 15 years

[still vigil]

What plot point did people want the king to play?

[real shuttle]

It'd be like in Lord of the Rings if Pippin just steps off a cliff randomly in the third film with no build up or anything.

[shrewd juniper]

I loved how the kings got killed and then they entered a highly irradiated area suggesting something happened, the few kings we saw likely were sent to take advantage and ended up as ghouls.

[real shuttle]

Any would be nice.

[foggy pendant]

Give it a rest, Emil. 😭

[opal tiger]

Probably are fairly young or fairly strong. They don't just become intelligent but they adapt, which also means that engineered stuff from the beginning is bred out of their species

[fresh crown]

i uh don't think expecting the King to still be alive after 15 years is really that reasonable

[still vigil]

The drug, also every ghoul is different

[chilly breach]

cooper has something to live and fight for

[midnight cosmos]

I agree with the rad attack - Lucy’s pipboy is clicking as she approaches the deathclaw eggs.

[cold crater]

I guess showrunners really hate Fallout

[foggy apex]

Deathclaw eggs are slightly radioac5ive tbf

[shrewd juniper]

I also loved that Xander was a key plot point for this episode

[foggy pendant]

nothing wrong with expecting a known character to not get an extremely anticlimactic death

[chilly breach]

wrong reply

[faint saddle]

The king is like 25 in nv

[real shuttle]

Like, if he's gone, he's gone - you could have people having left, then he's at least still out there.

Now he's probably dead and the payoff is Lucy happily killing ghouls. That was it.

[opal tiger]

Probably the drug that's used to reduce or control you becoming feral. It's in 76.

[real shuttle]

It just feels cheap

[foggy apex]

I can’t tell if it was specially because of the eggs or if the strip itself is radioactive

[still vigil]

And he runs a violent gang

[foggy pendant]

if he was dead, sure, whatever. lore that the kings died beforehand somehow, not very cheaply putting in a faction leader character and having him die like an unnamed raider npc LMFAO

[midnight cosmos]

It makes sense, but wait and see, you know?

[urban mulch]

on the wiki it says hes mid 30s

[foggy apex]

Technically with how fucking nonsensical radiation is in fallout her goddam Geiger should be going off every second

[real shuttle]

and combine it with the state of the world now:

Legion fucked
Bos fucked
Vegas dead
NCR absent

It really feels like they don't give a shit about what was there.

[dark geyser]

Here lets be real Bethesda is definitely cleaning house when it comes to the old lore

[vast wasp]

Yes but that whould get real annoying

[cold crater]

they just write story around Lucy, Coop and Maximus

[ripe nova]

Maybe the king died as elvis did heart attack on the toilet

[midnight cosmos]

Yes.

[opal tiger]

Thaddeus having a panic attack, and that fucking elder telling him to walk it off. 🤣😂

[urban mulch]

yeah thats why the show is set on the west coast, the east cost is still bethesdas baby

[real shuttle]

Like I'll let them cook for this season before I give full judgement, I just see no way back from this.

[faint saddle]

Legion having the most presence in the show outside of bos seems strange for a Bethesda fallout experience

[foggy apex]

thinks he’s having a heart attack and tells him to walk it off

[lusty ruin]

panic attack, what's that

[foggy apex]

Can see why bros the elder of a sexist faction

[real shuttle]

Yeah but the presence is dumb as fuck and they kill each other

[still vigil]

I mean we literally know from leaks that there are much more NCR still coming

[fresh crown]

age has nothing to do with it, i was implying that all the death and violence surrounding the area would eventually get to him

[opal tiger]

That's kind of the point, I think it's obvious they wanna inject more of their own ideas into the West.

[foggy pendant]

if only the death and violence had been what had gotten to him instead of being shot in the back like a radiant quest target

[shrewd juniper]

I loved that they were so keen on keeping the status quo and not questioning any form of authority no one bothered questioning "Xander"

[cold crater]

"more of their ideas" and just kill everything from FNV is a bit different things

[faint saddle]

Their ideas suck tho unfortunately

[dark geyser]

Which is a shame cause they don't have a lot of good ideas when it comes to lore

[midnight cosmos]

I’m letting them cook and I’m having a good time watching it, because ultimately I quit giving a shit about “canon” when F76 started up with “oh actually all of these factions existed like 20 years after the war on the other side of the country and then all mysteriously died too!”

[faint saddle]

What

[real shuttle]

my issue with that is, at this point, we've seen basically no NCR.

So it'll be Deus Ex California.

Literally, Moldaver's lot were rag tag as fuck. Near their old capital. Where is this state that can send people etc?

[urban mulch]

thats why its set in the west, so they can butcher all the lore

[lusty ruin]

People say they hate the games but the outro has a really old detail

[tough viper]

They are giving the west coast the usual bethesda sandbox/theme park touch.

[opal tiger]

I don't disagree, but not much can be done about it atp.

[shrewd juniper]

I mean, if canon matters to you a great deal you'd have given up after Fallout 2 released. I'd just chill and enjoy the vibes

[opal tiger]

This is so fucking true, holy shit.

[still vigil]

The rangers are very blatant that they think there legit is backup nearby, they sound crazy but I bet they are right

[foggy pendant]

Like I said, can't complain about the east coast being a shithole compared to the west if they just make the west a shithole too

[midnight cosmos]

Yes. It feels a lot like FO76 - the world is mostly set pieces that you, the Main Character, interact with.

[foggy apex]

Sometimes I feel people just can’t enjoy anything

[real shuttle]

They might be right - but the issue is, with me, is the show has spent ages basically showing it as dead.

[vast wasp]

Allmost like that's a point of a show

[foggy pendant]

meant for @tough viper, thanks discord

[opal tiger]

Hey, at least we got two Wastelands being shitholes. They'll probably turn Canada into a 3rd, idk

[still vigil]

It’s been exactly half a season

[midnight cosmos]

Well yeah - I’m not being a dickweed about it.

[foggy pendant]

prepare for the canadian-clave actually

or the buddyhood of steel

[dark geyser]

Sometimes I feel people have too low standards and just accept anything that's connected to the ip

[faint saddle]

The most annoying part of everything being dead in NV is that the ghoul hasn't even fuckin heard of anything causing it

[lusty ruin]

I can't wait for freeside, looks like it's full of life

[cold crater]

1. The intro was not created by the screenwriter.
2. People who use such arguments simply substitute concepts: showrunners replace substance with form. Instead of showing something interesting with factions, they simply take an IMAGE(LOOK THIS IS AN OLD NCR FLAG WOOOW THEY LOVE FALLOUT 2) and kill it.

[vast wasp]

Neither am i

[opal tiger]

I expect a lot of cameos and Easter eggs in Freeside.

[tough viper]

they'll use the NCR to clean up the BoS plot most likely. i think max will give them the cold fusion

[still vigil]

Why would he know, he hasn’t been there in 25 years and spent a few of those literally buried

[real shuttle]

I'm including S1.

We know shady sands wasn't capital when nuked, but the sum total of what we saw of the NCR in 1, near their old capital, was a radio dude with the flag, some helmets, and Moldaver's rag tag crew. That was it.

The NCR can exist but if it just pops out of nowhere that feels... Idk, cheap? Unearned? A bit shit given what they've done prior.

[lusty ruin]

all of Mojave is abandoned but freeside is fully living even though there's deathclaw a door away

[cold crater]

damn, I didn't reply to a person

[midnight cosmos]

The MCU comparisons are apt. The MCU had to strip down and streamline sixty years of insanely dense lore into a string of 2.5 hour movies.

And when they stated cranking out the TV shows and etc, casual viewers lost the plot.

[foggy pendant]

The people who eat up every form of slop they're given are the problem. There's absolutely zero problem with people being annoyed that a form of media they hold dear is being mishandled.

[urban mulch]

that deathclaw should easily be able to jump and massacre the whole population

[faint saddle]

How do you know it's been 25 years since he was there last

[still vigil]

He literally says it in episode 1

[foggy pendant]

So much emil apologism in here. 😭

[cold crater]

Enjoy what? Slop?

[lusty ruin]

i never said that though

[foggy apex]

90 percent of criticism’ this far has been media illiteracy or just straight up being wrong

[midnight cosmos]

Buddy I grew up on Transformers and lived through the Bay movies.

You get over it eventually.

[opal tiger]

True.

[lusty ruin]

or destroy the door

[fading hawk]

If you think about it. If you’re living at the thorn. You’re basically living near multiple hostile creatures.

[faint saddle]

Compared to nowadays those might as well be masterpieces

[foggy apex]

No they’re still shit

[midnight cosmos]

Hahaha no.

[real shuttle]

I don't want fucking slop though. I liked S1. It only had 2 flaws for me and in fairness, one (the overly religious nature of the BoS out of nowhere) was covered in Season 2 - that's great.

But fuck me E4 tanked it for me.

[cold crater]

and? Don't compare Bay movies(which is free adaptation) to FTV(which is CANON)

[foggy pendant]

No, some of you people want everyone else to consume product and wait for next product.

[still vigil]

People have just grown to follow YouTubers saying “fallout tv hates fans” instead of actually watching the product themselves.

[faint saddle]

Ep4 was also the weakest for me in this series so far

[foggy apex]

I’ll remind you that the exact same shit your saying here was said at the bay movie trilogy

[foggy pendant]

And what if you've watched the product and still don't like it?

[urban mulch]

somehow the deathclaw got into gomorah without breaking the doors 😂

[fading hawk]

Agreed.

[faint saddle]

The episode started off really strong showing Alaska and then just immediately sputtered out

[still vigil]

They want memberries of every single location and character instead of a chohesive story

[midnight cosmos]

Then you move on with your life, bud.

[fresh crown]

ep 3 was the weakest for me still but yea 4 has also been rather weak compared to eps 1 and 2

[foggy apex]

Then you say you don’t like it and move on, you don’t keep saying ‘oh I hate it your all just bootlickers watching slop’ when other people like it

[vast wasp]

They got a door in back for the deathclaw strippers

[midnight cosmos]

Everything I don’t like is slop.

[foggy pendant]

I'll engage with my hobby.

[fading hawk]

Yeah the name of the episode already confused me before watched it.

[fresh crown]

your hobby is complaining to people?

[still vigil]

Yes

[faint saddle]

I think most people were expecting to see lucy and the ghoul follow the couriers path to nv

[real shuttle]

Ep 3 ended weak tbh but it had strong points.

Coop especially.

His arc is clearly him becoming who he used to be, and less jaded, in response to Lucy, and that showed it.

[vast wasp]

Your hobby in harassing pepole who enjoys things

[foggy pendant]

No, my hobby is Fallout, and most normal people are okay with criticism of the things they enjoy.

[still vigil]

Which they had no reason to do

[foggy apex]

Your actively in a channel for the show , the latest episode, if you don’t like it why are you here complaining, I’m asking this genuinely. Your not ‘criticizing’ your just in here calling it slop and insulting us for liking it

[midnight cosmos]

Engage with the parts you like and ignore the ones you don’t.

Do you think Marvel/DC fans buy every single issue of every single comic? I mean, some must, but cmon.

[real shuttle]

Ep 4 did also have some useful character moments as well, but the decisions made for the overall story were... fuck man, awful

[urban mulch]

season 1 and season 2 basically has the same plot right? lucy finding her dad?

[still vigil]

Fallout is an ip not a hobby

[cold crater]

people want continuity and some respect for the product. FTV showing complete DEGRADATION of all factions just to show us story about Lucy looking for her dad. Wow, bravo

[real shuttle]

Yeah but at that point you may as well say FO3 and FO4 are the same as you're finding father

[still vigil]

Why do you type like the president, random all caps and shit

[foggy pendant]

I'm criticizing the people who sit there and consume and deny any form of criticism. I never insulted anybody, and I'd like to see where I did.

[foggy apex]

Thank you for your attention to this matter

[foggy pendant]

I'm sorry that criticizing Emil's dog shit writing makes you upset, but you'll just have to get over it. 😭

[midnight cosmos]

Dude there’s 30 years of lore to contend with.

[fresh crown]

eh you know what lets just move on

[faint saddle]

Yes, correct

[cold crater]

and where's that lore?

[foggy apex]

If people want continuity they have the wrong fucking franchise

[urban mulch]

gone, reduced to atoms

[vast wasp]

Calling pepole slop enjoyers is insulting pepole

[real shuttle]

I don't really think this show has breached continuity.

[still vigil]

You have repeatedly insulted people here, you are being intentionally dense

[foggy apex]

3 literally shits on 1 and 2 by this logic

[opal tiger]

No offense, you haven't said a single ounce of criticism aside from sling buzzwords at folks. Lol

[midnight cosmos]

On terminals that Lucy isn’t reading lol

[real shuttle]

It's not broken lore to a terrible degree. The main thing is shady sands moving but that happened before.

What has the show contradicted lore wise?

[foggy pendant]

Not sure I did. I'm sorry calling you a fan of a game is insulting to you. "Bethesda fan" is insulting to you? Be proud of it.

[midnight cosmos]

And yeah, you can go all the way back to “Bethesda never should have taken over the IP” but that ship has long since sailed.

[vast wasp]

Bro said nonthing but insults and then said im not insulting anyone

[foggy apex]

Anything that has been has been incredibly minor

[still vigil]

You called people tourists and slop eaters

[foggy apex]

It’s pretty clear ‘Bethesda fan’ isn’t meant as a compliment anyway

[foggy pendant]

If being called a tourist is so upsetting to you, stop acting like one

[opal tiger]

No I'm pretty sure you called people 'Emil Apologists' 'Tourists' kept saying 'Slop' over and over again. None of these have any substance or level of criticism? They're just buzzword labels.

[midnight cosmos]

TROO FANS ONLY lol

[chilly breach]

so lucy is a chem fiend now

[real shuttle]

I mean Bethesda never really understood what fallout is to be fair.

[faint saddle]

If your first introduction was the fallout show that would make you a tourist

[vast wasp]

You clearly meant bethsida fan as a insult stop acting innocent

[real shuttle]

Doesn't mean they can't make fun games but Bethesda never understood its potential.

[still vigil]

I’ve played every game, what would you like, a prize because you gatekeep the newest entry?

[vast wasp]

[foggy pendant]

i actually can't stand hardcore "true" fans, but being consistently shut down for not liking emil's writing is going to make me call you a tourist LMAO

[urban mulch]

not really contradictions but it feels like the showrunners wanna make their own story matter more than the games

[midnight cosmos]

When does one stop being a tourist? My kid has played NV and 4 and watches the show, is he a tourist?

[cold crater]

lmao

[opal tiger]

Neither has Black Isle/Interplay. But I think that's where disconnect for folks comes from is they both had different visions but lore hasn't been BROKEN.

[real shuttle]

Yeah and I get that annoyance. That's basically mine, they've shat all over what's there so whatever they build now feels cheap.

[still vigil]

This isn’t Emil, Emil was 4 which sucked dick

[vast wasp]

Emil didn't work on the show

[faint saddle]

Thank God

[chilly breach]

wasnt the guy commiting the war crime nate

[midnight cosmos]

This is not unreasonable! If you are writing a TV series, you want to write your own story, not be handcuffed to three video games that are now basically old enough to vote

[foggy pendant]

He didn't? Thanks for the correction, I thought he did. Sincerely, I can accept when I'm actually wrong.

[urban mulch]

exactly, which didnt need to happen. both stories, games and tv shows could have easily coexisted.

[faint saddle]

Emil gotta be one of the worst narcissistic writers

[real shuttle]

Overall they made post post apocalypse games.

Bethesda makes post apocalypse.

The vibes are very different and have different interpretations of war never changes.

[cold crater]

Nah

[real shuttle]

The former needs factions, the latter doesn't.

The show is heading towards the latter.

[tough viper]

not that guy but i've had this argument used against me when I called the depiction of BoS earlier idiotic.

[foggy apex]

Nate changes depending on who plays him, he’s not even called Nate 99 percent of the time he’s bigballs or something

[urban mulch]

i call him Fuck

[foggy apex]

Nate the rake

[real shuttle]

I never even play Nate anyway

[vast wasp]

Nate whould storm into vault v32 if he knew about a Canadian being in there

[real shuttle]

Female voice actors are almost always allowed to show more emotion so it's just... better

Same in cyberpunk

(That and it's a habit from FO3, Black widow OP)

[faint saddle]

Male V just sounds like the guys you play in dying light, too boring

[foggy apex]

Nate being a war crime comittign soldier in 1 actively fits how every single person plays him at least once in their runs

[still vigil]

It’s also pretty dense to not acknowledge that this is exactly the ending fallout NV hinted at. In that game the BoS, NCR, and Legion are all collapsing or going to collapse in the future. They say the NCR is running out of supplies ✅ legion will start infighting after his death ✅ and the brotherhood will be unable to adapt and change ✅

[gleaming venture]

Crane mention

[cold crater]

too bad he isn't

[foggy apex]

He is tho.

I killed an entire settlement because they didn’t like me stealing their Tatos

[vast wasp]

Nate is a,war hero proabbly had to do some war crime

[real shuttle]

Thing is, at least with the NCR they're actively working to avoid it and you can help them, so it's not an end game

and 20 years is a long time, both to collapse, but also to reform

[faint saddle]

Can't be a war crime if there's no international courts to press charges

[still vigil]

Too bad it’s a house ending, also we know the NCR did okay for 3 more years untill nuke time

[foggy apex]

POV modern us

[midnight cosmos]

This user Gets It.

Maaaaaybe House can maintain limited control of the Strip and environs, but even House can’t predict and account for everything.

[real shuttle]

Plus even if everything was gonna collapse it'd be nice to see it, given how invested people are in these factions

[midnight cosmos]

That’s expensive.

[foggy apex]

Give me liberty or give me prime membership free for 2 months

[opal tiger]

Yeah that's kind of the whole platinum chip plot. He had everything in place and one misstep caused it to collapse.

[real shuttle]

So do it cheap. Have a few scenes of exposition with some ex members.

That's not the best way, but it's there

[still vigil]

The amount of people that have played nv is like 10% of the total audience they intend to capture with the show, it would be expensive to set up and show what happens 20 years ago in great detail instead of environmental and exposition

[midnight cosmos]

They’re spending money hand over fist to make it look as good as it does (and it looks terrific tbh) but tracking the total decline of three societies?

[real shuttle]

I don't want great detail. I want more evidence than like one sign and flag near the ex capital of the NCR.

[foggy apex]

The deathclaw was partially practical

[faint saddle]

Lucy n ghoul should have run into much more travelers n small homesteads with people on their way to vegas as well

[ripe nova]

Given bottle caps are currency why are bottle factories often left untouched in universe

[real shuttle]

I'm not asking for much man

[still vigil]

You will still get it

[real shuttle]

but I haven't yet and given their insistence on everything being fucking dead right now I ain't hopeful.

[still vigil]

The NCR has been hinted at repeatedly, not even mentioning leaks

[chilly breach]

it came off as practical and cgi hybrid

[opal tiger]

I think you'll get it. Idk if in this season, but the next.

[real shuttle]

Yeah but like I said above, if it comes out of nowhere now it'll feel cheap.

And even if it does... why was more shit not near shady

[foggy apex]

Often practical puppets have a bit of cg enhancement so that’s likely what some of the up close stuff was

[still vigil]

Do you want to stick around the random mystery nuke location?

The NCR doesn’t know who nuked them still, not gonna hang around for it to happen again

[real shuttle]

No. So you leave.

Not taking down signs, flags, posters, graffiti...

[faint saddle]

The trailer that shows max and Thaddeus sitting by a fire talking about their experiences, I wonder if that's at camp golf because there's tents behind them

[foggy apex]

I didn’t see any like, noticeable bad cg on the deathclaw so props to them

[foggy pendant]

Looked cool. I was glad to see a deathclaw on screen anyway, still kinda hoping for SMs too, I just hope they're not all relegated to east coast dumb dumbs for the hell of it.
There was one on a wanted poster in Season 1, so here's hoping.

[still vigil]

Those got blown up fam

[real shuttle]

Nah

[vast wasp]

The pepole pf vault 4 took them

[cold crater]

It's well written, but you're confusing the concepts. The NCR is running out of supplies, and therefore... what? The NCR is not depicted at all in the series, only its remnants. We don't know what happened to the NCR. And what you are hinting at is just insinuation.

As for Brotherhood, how can you watch the series and then write that it is a development of NV ideas? Brotherhood has changed, it has degraded. The brotherhood in the NV is literally different: it is competent and ideological, unlike religious fanatics we see in the FTV

[urban mulch]

what does bethesda have against mud buildings 😂

[foggy pendant]

too much progress

[cold crater]

bruh take

[foggy pendant]

you'll live in a tetanus shack and you'll fucking like it

[foggy apex]

Tatooine ahh architecture

[opal tiger]

It was explained already. Two different visions. Bethesda is post-apocalyptic, Interplay/Black Isle is post-post apocalyptic.

[tough viper]

dont you get stopped at the forcefield if you carrying guns

[vast wasp]

Did you forget about the shandy sands cult in vault 4 with all the stuff from shandy sands

[real shuttle]

Like, I think I said this before. Look at Pripyat. That was an organised evacuation. People could take shit.

It's littered with commie shit.

The area around shady had basically fuck all.

That just strikes me as weird or lazy. Either way it feels wrong

[tough viper]

dis guy hauled a nuke thru it

[faint saddle]

You're not allowed to carry guns inside most towns in fo1-2

[real shuttle]

No. But they didn't take everything did they

This was a city

A prosperous one

[vast wasp]

Which got nuked

[real shuttle]

Yes I know, jesus christ guys

[still vigil]

The NCR was running out of supplies and couldn’t maintain a strong Mojave presence after the end of the game, they likely withdrew most of their forces before and after the nuke to shady sands and other regions to protect their homeland

[chilly breach]

holy fucking shit

[foggy apex]

There’s a crater the size of someone’s mother there now

[tough viper]

.

[foggy apex]

Keep reposting it, I want to see it

[still vigil]

Because the way of maxson brotherhood swinging liberty prime around like their dick has won over and they would have no choice to hold their ground against that just like lost hills

[foggy apex]

Can we all agree that needs to be the deathclaw design in games going forward

[foggy pendant]

imagine living in a prosperous city after years upon years of struggling only to get vaporized because some cuck is upset his wife left him for a pre-war communist. absolutely unfathomably tragic

[real shuttle]

My point is that when something like that exists, it leaves a mark on the landscape and around it.

Posters, flags, graffiti, signs, nearby trade hubs with signs saying they don't want their money as it's worth nothing as it got nuked etc.

And we don't see that.

What we get is like 4 flags.

A nuke does not scrub graffiti off intact walls. It does not strip posters off walls it doesn't hit.

[foggy apex]

It’s a perfect mix of all the deathclaw designs except furry mammal ones from tactics cus those don’t exist

[still vigil]

It does if the buildings blow up lmao

[real shuttle]

Yes but not to those it doesn't

[still vigil]

Pripyat didn’t explode

[urban mulch]

it cant be that ba- jesus

[faint saddle]

Wait wonder why this place didn't get any mentions in the show

[still vigil]

There wasn’t an evacuation

[tough viper]

it would REALLY be funny if that was the actual motivation but theres no way hes not an enclave insurgent

[real shuttle]

My point is if the NCR abandoned the outskirts of shady, where's the shit they left behind.

We see Coop go through the abandoned camp - where's that shit

[foggy pendant]

you're 100% right (about there being a deeper reason at least) but it is hilarious to think about it like that

[real shuttle]

I don't want the NCR back there. I want to see evidence they were ever there.

And all we get is a few flags

[faint saddle]

No corpses

[real shuttle]

It feels low to me. Too little.

[still vigil]

Which abandoned camp? The one in new Vegas with obvious signs of a withdrawal?

[foggy apex]

Sorry I eated them

[real shuttle]

YEAH SO WHERE IS THAT IN SEASON 1

[tough viper]

he would be a tennpenny-esque villain if that was the case.

[foggy apex]

See above

[real shuttle]

You telling me the NCR had Shady in the area and that's it?

And it was all gone, magically, with no-one else left?

Come on man

[still vigil]

No they have other cities in different regions

[real shuttle]

Yeah, so where's the stuff the people left behind to flee to them

[faint saddle]

New arroyo should've been in the show

[tough viper]

tennpenny did 2077, confirmed. the tennpenny we see in fo3 is a CLONE

[fresh crown]

yea they kinda peaked with it

[still vigil]

Once again if their is a mystery nuke capable faction in the area you get the fuck our

[foggy apex]

I really like how they made the t-45 noticeably less advanced

[real shuttle]

the nuke wouldn't have taken out every NCR member in a 50 mile radius but left the buildings weirdly intact

[still vigil]

They took it with them to visit 4 and fully 20 years ago

[real shuttle]

the fucking sign is there

[urban mulch]

cause bethesda hates post post apocalypse. the wasteland will be eternally trashed with zero rebuilding

[opal tiger]

That bitch locked the fuck up midcombat lmao

[shrewd juniper]

I'm guessing limitations in budget and time. Show only what you need to. S2 has a bigger budget. We're seeing more than before because of that

[foggy apex]

The visor has to be moved up manually and it’s super thick, and the helmet is really unwieldy

[real shuttle]

everything?

they cleaned off graffiti and torn posters?

Come on man

It's a bit much

[foggy apex]

They move a lot less easily even taking into account that they’re slightly damaged

[foggy pendant]

downloaded a settlement cleanup mod, dont worry

[real shuttle]

They removed signs on buildings?

[opal tiger]

This is the answer, actually you can see the budget publicly. It is more for season 2 and presumably more for season 3

[fresh crown]

yea i can see now why copper reacted the way he did to the guy that made it lol

[real shuttle]

Like taking a flag I get, there's respect in a flag

[still vigil]

Do you want a street view of every single alley to check if there is graffiti?

[real shuttle]

No.

Just some to show they were actually there.

All we have is a few token flags. Which are transient and can be taken with you.

[still vigil]

They did show us that they were there, multiple times

[real shuttle]

They don't show sustained presence.

[cold crater]

Other regions? Such as?

We see only insignificant remnants, without even a hint that the NCR remains a force or a state as a whole.

I don't get the point about Brotherhood and Liberty Prime, elaborate pls

[opal tiger]

Yeah he was PISSED. I'd be too, bro I'd sock that mf. I almost got my ass ate by a deathclaw cause of your cheap ass wtf

[foggy apex]

Deathclaw gave him a good ol sniff

[still vigil]

The NCR controlled almost all of pre war California they have other cities in the north

[foggy pendant]

I hate to play devil's advocate here, but if shit's known to be getting nuked, I don't give a fuck about some flags, I'm running for my goddamn life.

[shrewd juniper]

I really enjoyed the vault scenes and the tension both within. I also enjoyed Norm's scene and the dwellers. Looking forward to finding out what phase 2 is specifically. Will they go to where Hank is? somehwhere else? Time will tell.

[fresh crown]

even the communists laughed at him like ooof i'd have preferred the deathclaw eaten me to save from the shame

[foggy apex]

I don’t think he was really in any danger from the deathclaw, it was likely curious , we know they’re really smart at a base level

[real shuttle]

I can go to France with a union jack.

Does that make the area British? No.

The flags show some ex NCR are there now but it's terrible evidence of a functioning society there before

[foggy apex]

It’s also like, scarily perceptive, it heard super distant gunfire and imeidately went straight in that direction

[fresh crown]

yess Norms plot is like 2nd most interesting to me after Brotherhood

[opal tiger]

Yeah it's like I said. The NCR got spooked. They probably pulled everyone and everything out hastily because they have no idea what happened. And proceeded to hunker down, I assume what happened is the NCR just never decided to come out of that hunkering down state.

[tough viper]

if i was todd i would make fo5 entirely within san fran. it would have cars, noire aesthetic, not a single super mutant or BoS mentioned, and it would feature mostly you as a NCR detective going around tracking down slaver/drug dealer activity. it would also be a financial catastrophe.

[still vigil]

The hidden valley chapter was reclusive and stuck in their ways. They were dying. When maxson rises and collects the chapters what else can they do but join with them and adopt their ways or die?

[real shuttle]

This is my assumption too.

[foggy apex]

I like how the vault storyline is like, exactly what we’d see ingame with a bunch of fucked up abandened vaults with skeletons in them and notes

[foggy pendant]

Cant even blame them for being wholly paranoid. They got fucking nuked. I'd be scared shitless too.

[real shuttle]

Yeah

I'd get the fuck out of dodge

And that'd explain how few supplies Moldaver has - she may not even be official

[cold crater]

FEV huh?

[foggy apex]

It’s just this time we’re seeing the decline of the vault while it’s still alive

[opal tiger]

YESSIR.

[shrewd juniper]

exactly! I look forward to learning what that is specifically

[still vigil]

The fucking flash backs do tho lmao

[real shuttle]

no see they make it worse

Because where did all this NCR shit go

[ripe nova]

Except for the ones filled with monsters, gas, and gary

[foggy apex]

Wonder if they were doing experiments with fev on making super smart managers

[real shuttle]

They had fucking trams and recruitment posters and shit

We see it existing

so where is it now?

[still vigil]

Evaporated, by a nuke

[foggy pendant]

I still just want to know how the fuck Moldaver lived so long.

[foggy apex]

But the original overseers decided not to go ahead with the fev side and jsut did natural breeding

[opal tiger]

Yeah, as do I. Teasing FEV with Phase 2 in regards to the Vault plan - but naming it with a different words, man. I didn't think Norm's plot would have me the most invested and curious.

[chilly breach]

norm outranks him because norm isnt some basic lunch run bitch

[cold crater]

truth nuked but without truth

[real shuttle]

I don't know how to say this, again, but I guess I have to - the NCR is not just individual bubbles you can pop with a nuke.

[ripe nova]

Did the new vegas ncr have a functioning road or just unfinished

[real shuttle]

It is a functioning economy with trade networks and farms and shit.

[still vigil]

Yes and we haven’t been near the other bubbles yet

[opal tiger]

Unfinished

[foggy apex]

Are we thinking the keepsake she wants from v33 is a vial of fev

[faint saddle]

Well seeing how phase 2 is specifically for 32 and 33 which were basically just a pool of unwilling subjects to be used by v31 management, they're probably going to turn them into super mutants for a vault tec army or something

[real shuttle]

Even if it's just some fucking roadsigns, there'd be something else outside the nuke.

[cold crater]

I don't get one thing, that deathclaw in Alaska

[foggy pendant]

Unfinished, they were using prison labor to expand routes into the Mojave.

[tough viper]

reminder that the NCR being mentioned in the show keeps triggering the fallout main theme so they are 100% going to drop them in at some point like MCU goodguys

[foggy apex]

What about it

[still vigil]

Bro wants a show where they pan over to road signs

[ripe nova]

But we can assume there wad railways inside the ncr

[foggy apex]

We’ve known they were pre war bioweapons since 2

[faint saddle]

In one of the trailers we see Norm is inside of the vault tec HQ trying to contact his father asking him what's going to happen to their vault

[foggy apex]

We just didn’t know if they’d ever actually been tested

[shrewd juniper]

I love the dialog and the tension in it all more than any of the shooting and action. Like the standoff against Quintis was wonderful. The idea that he couldn't commit was great and that Quintis succeeded in stalling long enough to arm himself

[urban mulch]

airdropped

[foggy pendant]

100%, yes. The NCR has (had?) a functioning rail system.

[shrewd juniper]

I also liked that he had the modern 10mm

and we got to see a laser weapon fired

[real shuttle]

Just have it in the background.

Have a sign saying "Caps only, no NCR money" as it's worthless there now.

It doesn't take much.

We just got fuck all.

[faint saddle]

It looked good too

[opal tiger]

So to clarify it wasn't specifically in Alaska. It was in the Alaskan front which are obscure island around Alaska's coast. Deathclaws are pre war so WestTek dropped the Deathclaws as a field test into those island to gather combat and field data so that they can further enhance or test Deathclaws for future use.

[still vigil]

Yes

[vast wasp]

There gonna get Marvel end gamed

[cold crater]

Deathclaw killed the Chinese, but left Cooper alive, staring at him. Could it be that the Deathclaw is intelligent?

[foggy apex]

Well ..yes

[real shuttle]

All we got is flags and a helmet that can be taken by anyone, to anywhere.

Nothing to show the nation that once had its capital there.

[opal tiger]

Created and bred to know the difference between American and Chinese.

[foggy apex]

Ingame they’re scarily perceptive

[foggy pendant]

I think canonically they even work in the mojave, we just don't see them moving for obvious reasons

[faint saddle]

Pheromones probably

[opal tiger]

Only to Boulder city. For the concrete.

[foggy apex]

Given this is the us army likely every single person was vaccinated with a specific marker that would show the deathclaw it’s an ally

[still vigil]

We get multiple mentions of pre nuke NCR especially around vault 4, it’s been 15 years since they were active in the region. The savers and the ghoul talk about it and we see them using the ranger armor left behind.

[tough viper]

it was a blind deathclaw and cooper pretended to be dead

[foggy apex]

That’s a niche lorebit

[faint saddle]

They probably put deathclaw pheromones on the paint of the t45 armor

[cold crater]

I don't think so

[fresh crown]

honestly i don't even think Quintus was trying to stall for time and all, it seemed like he was genuinely trying to talk down Maximus, but then the trigger word popped up and he got to blasting lmao

[real shuttle]

I don't think you're understanding me.

My issue is not proof it was there.

My issue is no evidence still being there. It's wiped clean.

[foggy pendant]

dont go talking about no deathclaw pheremones bro 😭

[midnight cosmos]

There was still a functioning state infrastructure to keep Stalkers and etc out of Pripyat.

[foggy apex]

But again I don’t think coop was actually in danger there, I think it was curious (which to be so were the Chinese)

[foggy pendant]

the frontier is rearing it's ugly head again

[shrewd juniper]

I loved that at first, he was before switching to plan B after mentioning the ghoul kids

[opal tiger]

He wasn't. I'm sure the Deathclaw recognized him as an American. It could've attacked if it wanted to.

[faint saddle]

The deathclaw in Alaska also appears to be blind as it lacks a pupil that the one in the end of the episode has

[still vigil]

Because it doesn’t serve a purpose for the story to show on camera when we get that info other ways

[foggy apex]

If it uses pheremones or scent that shit would be obvious hundreds of metres away to a creature that uses it

Miles probably

[real shuttle]

Show don't tell man. Again, it doesn't take much to leave a few posters. They just... didn't.

[opal tiger]

All deathclaws lack pupils...

[vast wasp]

He got triggered like in bioshock

[faint saddle]

Not the one at the end of the episode

[foggy pendant]

HERETIC!!!!

[still vigil]

The deathclaw could smell cooper and knew he was alive, it just heard more interesting targets in the distance

[opal tiger]

Yes, that one too.

[foggy apex]

It was .probably interested in what the weird metal cased human was doing

[faint saddle]

It has a pupil

[fresh crown]

man the t45's looked great, despite being shown as pieces of shit lmao

[foggy apex]

Which is entirely fair let’s be real. That’s gotta be whack as fuck for an animal to see

[vast wasp]

Because they were

[foggy pendant]

They're just cute lil chameleons man, just little guys.

[foggy apex]

Goris my beloved

[faint saddle]

They're so good looking

[opal tiger]

It did not, I'm looking at the picture now. Deathclaws never had pupils. Their eyes are solid, always have been in model designs.

[ripe nova]

Yeah the show established they were rushed

[foggy pendant]

i cope hoping one day we'll see intelligent deathclaws again, probably not going to happen though

[foggy apex]

Not even the show, that’s been the case for over a decade

It’s always been established that they were esntially prototypes rushed out for the war efforts and worked but were heavily flawed

[cold crater]

what pupils?

[robust hill]

Except the NCR is mostly gone so they're no longer a factor, at least not nearby.

[ripe nova]

Were they fixed because we find lots of them about in working order

[foggy apex]

You got games on your phone?

[foggy pendant]

get his ass a breath mint god damn

[opal tiger]

Pull up the fnv ones, too.

[still vigil]

They did show, with the road sign, ranger armor, vault 4, moldaver camp. Do you want them to bonk you on the head with a hammer that says NCR in every single scene?

[cold crater]

I'll be polite and ask first

Do you have a complaint about the quality of the photo?

[foggy pendant]

Discord has a really fucking annoying tendency to paste out images you've copied as jpgs for some reason.

[still vigil]

If they didn’t want to introduce proper NCR until this season it would be pretty pointless to foreshadow them any more then they did

[wintry minnow]

Does this mean BoS/minutemen canon ending for FO4?

[faint saddle]

I'm talking about solely the one in the end of this episode lol why are you using an image from one of the games

[real shuttle]

No.

The road sign is some proof, yes. But it's just a sign. No sign of actual civilisation that people would leave behind.

The armour and flags can be moved by people.

Moldaver's lot were ragtag, poorly resourced, and didn't have much but a flag or two.

What I want is for the NCR to not be a neat reference, or convenient plot point, in an otherwise empty wasteland.

I want it to have been a faction that had strong presence near its capital, left its mark in what it left behind, but is no longer there.

[midnight cosmos]

I broadly agree. Quintus was trying to talk Maximus down and probably even agreed with “he was gonna kill a bunch of kids, I had to stop him” right up until Max told him what kind of kids.

[foggy apex]

I’m doing the meme , you know when you got a pic of a person or animal looking at the viewer up close

[still vigil]

And how does that serve the plot of the show?

[wintry minnow]

In minutemen ending, you dont need to kill BoS right? but in the episode 4, they still regard Maxson as if he is alive

[opal tiger]

Because they used the in-game models as reference and you're in denial for some reason. Despite the creator of the puppet saying they've got no pupils...

[foggy pendant]

Honestly? He could've just kept his fucking mouth shut. If he had just said "kids", then what? Was Xander going to come back from the dead and go "erm ackshuwally they were GHOULS"

[real shuttle]

It doesn't. It just makes it a more internally consistent show.

[faint saddle]

TF are you talking about honestly

[still vigil]

Who knows

[faint saddle]

I never once said all deathclaws have pupils, I specifically said the one at the end of the episode does

[cold crater]

failed speech check

[foggy pendant]

u might be onto something actually

[foggy apex]

Doesn’t really make sense that they don’t tbh I wouldn’t mind if they were given slit pupils

[opal tiger]

The Ghoul part is what sent him over. Honestly. Like I could see Quintus probably would've empathized but damn, yeah he wasn't having the Ghoul bit.

[faint saddle]

Stop bringing up every single death claw from the games as an example when the only one that matters is the one in the end of this episode lol

[midnight cosmos]

And as far as we can tell, the deathclaw wasn’t eating the Chinese troops, just killing them. It just leaves.

[still vigil]

Maximus has extreme trauma that allows him to be easily manipulated by quintus, I think he just struggles to lie to him

[opal tiger]

Yeah I didn't see it eat the chinese.

[foggy apex]

Inb4 the mama deathclaw is there because someone stole her eggs im the strip

[foggy pendant]

you're gonna feel real silly when episode 5 releases, the deathclaw roars, and then goes "hey welcome to new vegas guys, have you met my cousin goris?"

[foggy apex]

PLZ

[still vigil]

I really hope it’s gorris and not a stupid mutant

[midnight cosmos]

Max is not smart, lol.

[thorn veldt]

btw the House ending is all but confirmed as the canon ending right?

[still vigil]

It’s the most obvious choice as of right now

[foggy apex]

Max is the player who tries to do the right thing but keeps muddling onto the worst outcomes

[opal tiger]

We don't know yet, but most assume yes.

[faint saddle]

No, Maximus said that specifically to test Quintus's reaction and see if he was redeemable

[wintry minnow]

What happened to vegas? What did the courier do lol

Why is it overrun by dethclaws

[still vigil]

Probably only happened a few years ago

[thorn veldt]

I'll spoiler it since its a teaser but during a teaser ||we see cooper talking to a house screen, the screen says something like "hello cooper" and in every ending bar house ending we either have to kill house or we disable him which kills him with diseases||

[foggy apex]

Why’s everyone blaming the courier for this that’s not an ending

[wintry minnow]

I think BoS/Minutemen might be confirmed canon for Fallout 4. IDK which one

[still vigil]

The hello cooper is pre war house

[wintry minnow]

IN the episode, they regarded Maxson as if he is alive.

[foggy apex]

He’ll of I’d have known I could take a deathclaw mama into the strip for a night out I’d done it

[thorn veldt]

Nah but there was a teaser with the house screen over his left shoulder

[faint saddle]

He is alive

[wintry minnow]

Didn't we kill Maxson on Institute/Railroad ending?

[foggy apex]

Ain’t no one banning my ass that way

[opal tiger]

|| I agree, I just want 100% be on board yet until I see the scene myself. It could be a twist, but idk, it probably is the House ending though. ||

[still vigil]

Yes I agree, but the hellos cooper is a dub of him pre war, we see him say it

[thorn veldt]

ah gotcha

[foggy pendant]

This could be true, but I'm not sure why he'd think he'd be redeemable in the first place. If he's someone who hates abominations, wouldn't Maximus be aware already? He'd know by now 'this guy's a dick' lmao

[wintry minnow]

Yep BoS or Minutemen ending canon. I feel like it is Minutemen. It makes sense it is the canon. Its the path of least resistance/most good for the Commonwealth

[foggy apex]

Maxsons 100 percent Alive so no ending that has him dead is canon

[opal tiger]

In every ending aside from bos, you destroy the prydwen and Maxson. The only plausible endings are MM/BOS alliance. Or Bos.

[fresh crown]

yea Quintus is basically his dad, the one who saved and raised him, he needed to know if there was even a slight chance that his father figure was at least worth saving or not

[faint saddle]

Probably cuz he was hoping he'd be different than Xander even if it was a pipe dream

[foggy apex]

Remeber Quintus actively taking him in happened a month ago in the show

[wintry minnow]

Its weird they are trying to stay away from confirming canon endings for New Vegas, but not Fallout 4

[foggy apex]

He didn’t even know Maximus til the events of the show

[thorn veldt]

Which thank god because the Railroad might be the most annoying faction in fallout history

[still vigil]

that’s not true

[foggy apex]

It’s not like he’s been personally raising him, he’s just the authority figure for maxes whole life

[still vigil]

It’s implied he was the knight who found him

[foggy apex]

The whole ‘I’m yo daddy’ is like a month old.

[thorn veldt]

The destruction of the railroad being canon might be the greatest gift Todd has ever given us

[foggy apex]

Bro quintus ks like 80

[still vigil]

We don’t know what their dynamic was

[foggy apex]

The actor irl is in his 80s and bro looks old af

[wintry minnow]

I never got the Minutemen hate. Like ever

I don't understand it

[faint saddle]

Bland goody two shoes

[still vigil]

And it was like 15 years ago, we have people with no legs using power armor

[thorn veldt]

I mistyped, I meant to say railroad is the worst, minutemen is fine just Preston's dialogue is so annoying

[foggy apex]

Yes and she’s like 40

[opal tiger]

They're very bare bones, and almost have no unique story. They're kind of just exist.

[still vigil]

Just boring since they only have like 2 living characters

[foggy apex]

Not 80

[midnight cosmos]

Good people who want to help their neighbors are lame and woke and soy 🙄

[thorn veldt]

Mama Murphy is living, shes immortal

[opal tiger]

Not if I make her OD for loot.

[foggy apex]

Mamma Murphy isn’t a minutemen she’s a jetmen

[faint saddle]

Unsanctioned psyker

[still vigil]

It’s so funny that even after the kids scene people still think the BOS are the morally correct choice

Or maybe hem calling your followers slurs

[faint saddle]

Who lol

[foggy apex]

Is it mean that I’ve left the ‘give mama Murphy jet’ quest on read for like 70 hours

[opal tiger]

WHO? Are they in the room with us???

[still vigil]

They still pop up here every few days lol

[wintry minnow]

Also

[thorn veldt]

What's the BoS's position on psykers are they counted under abominations? I assume its a plot point in 1 or 2 but I never played them

[foggy pendant]

the ones who can't figure out lyon's pride was an outlier?

[faint saddle]

Technically that's the good option giving her drugs kills her eventually

[opal tiger]

I like them but even I acknowledge their faults, and moral fallacies. But I do that for every Faction tbf. Lmao

[wintry minnow]

knowing the ghoul physiology, those kids in the Sunset Sarsaparilla factory might have more thn 25 years of experience

[foggy apex]

I know but I feel bad she keeps looking at me

[still vigil]

I’ll ping you next time, we had the guy the other day saying the legion were morally correct to rape people

[faint saddle]

No plot points

[wintry minnow]

Hell, they might be pre-war ghouls

[still vigil]

I love the BOS, they are just morally terrible

[foggy apex]

That would be fucked up and I’d beg for death

[thorn veldt]

Imagine a chapter of BoS psykers 😮

[fresh crown]

not really, im about to nab the power armor and just leave preston ngl

[foggy apex]

Based

[wintry minnow]

Things I don't understand:
Those who hate Minuteman
Those who support Legion

[opal tiger]

Leave his ass to rot

[foggy apex]

Just specifically his ass , so he can’t sit

[still vigil]

Usually racism to be honest

[foggy pendant]

a lot of people still seem to struggle with the idea that playing a character that aligns with a faction does not mean that you, as a person, also align with that faction

[wintry minnow]

I aligned with all factions

[still vigil]

Yeah

[faint saddle]

You wouldn't last a day in the wh40k community

[opal tiger]

Yup.

[wintry minnow]

because im a completionist, i like finishing everything

[still vigil]

They also think they can only like the good guys, they think a faction is cool and do mental gymnastics to support them

[foggy apex]

its over preston, ive used my rot beam to necrotise your buttcheeks, enjoy sitting you settlement fuck

[wintry minnow]

i usually do this pre-divergence save. I label it. When i finish one ending, i go back to that, then finish other ending

do people do this? lol

I actually love settlement building

[still vigil]

Nope fresh every time, because my character for one faction would never chose another

[wintry minnow]

its my favorite FO4 mechanic

[foggy pendant]

The legion's an interesting faction. The only reason I've never finished a legion playthrough is because it's just so unfinished, not because the legion's morally wrong. I mean, it is morally wrong. But my legion character was, too.

[thorn veldt]

I don't know if it's a getting older thing, but I've found in my most recent NV playthrough I find it harder to take evil actions, like I actually feel bad but when I was younger I had no problem doing edgy evil things.
The only evil acts I can commit in game are the funny evil acts like making Rotface give me all his clothes during the Garretts debt collection quest

[faint saddle]

Lol those kind of players make me laugh, dudes are inhibiting their own game experience by not engaging with a core part of it

[foggy pendant]

Now that dry wells is out i may have to jump back into a legion run tho tbf

[foggy apex]

the only evil acts i shall commit in 4 is that one time i stole a tato from a farm and they bum rushed me so i killed them. and the one i will commit today which is finishign covenent quest then wiping them out

[wintry minnow]

In my case, I feel like this game is escape from Real world toxicity. I love how my choices can make or break civilizations but i still choose to do good.

[fresh crown]

eh they might like the Tau maybe

[faint saddle]

It's mid

[midnight cosmos]

I don’t particularly want to play a bad guy. I want to beat up the bad guys.

[thorn veldt]

Long 15 also just came out

[wintry minnow]

But in NV, it feels like every choice is bad. Even the Yes Man.

[foggy pendant]

That's okay. Some people don't wanna play the bad guy. But the option being there is good.

[faint saddle]

The tau aren't even morally good, people just don't know all their lore

[midnight cosmos]

Every choice is bad, but some are worse.

[wintry minnow]

Thats why Minutemen ending is such a breath of fresh air. I love how it is the path of least resistance.

[fresh crown]

yup but tbh most people aren't going to look beyond the whole giant mechs and "they're the real good guys!" thing

[tired onyx]

minutemen path is the only right path

[still vigil]

Don’t let the ethereals hear about this

[midnight cosmos]

Pretty much every franchise with mecha has this issue.

[fresh crown]

nevermind that the Tau would be a hardcore villain in a Star Trek series

[wintry minnow]

I wish in the new game, they explore more of that trope. Just plain on goody two shoes. I am a sucker for it.

[faint saddle]

Boring

[midnight cosmos]

WOW ZEON SO COOL dogg they are literally Spacenoid Nazis.

[still vigil]

People now a days hate good endings

[foggy pendant]

I wouldn't mind some sort of acknowledgement of a character being a goody two shoes if the wasteland realistically chews them up and spits them out for it.

[still vigil]

They can’t stand when people don’t die or suffer

[midnight cosmos]

People seemed to like the new Superman movie well enough.

[thorn veldt]

The biggest problem with FO4 is too many of the factions are either good or evil. I feel like pretty much every faction in New Vegas is more muddied, bar the Followers and Legion on either side of the good/evil spectrum

[tired onyx]

have you played 3/nv? I think the NCR is nice as well though minutemen are a lot more selfless

[opal tiger]

FARSIGHT. MY GOAT.

[wintry minnow]

ofc

[faint saddle]

Tbf how old are these people

[midnight cosmos]

Well yeah, it’s an escape from reality. Shit sucks IRL.

[still vigil]

The NCR is not nice

[foggy pendant]

The NCR isn't nice, they want my money.

[still vigil]

They are much better then most but still full of racism and corruption

[wintry minnow]

I started on 3, then NV, then 4, just like a normal Bethesda fan

[tired onyx]

convince me

[foggy pendant]

kimball can tax my balls, how about that?

[tired onyx]

racism against who

[fresh crown]

i started on NV, then 3 and then 4

[still vigil]

Ghouls

[midnight cosmos]

Let me go around kicking the shit out of slavers and rapists in the game, because if I did that IRL I’d get shot.

[thorn veldt]

May I bring up once again for the Xth time how it was an NCR official who wanted to genocide jacobstown 😄

[tired onyx]

THERES GHOULS IN THE NCRRRRR

[wintry minnow]

But I actually started on Oblivion, then Fallout 3, then Skyrim, then NV, then Fallout 4.

[still vigil]

Mutants

[opal tiger]

They are segregated to all fuck, wym

[tired onyx]

most mutants are feral

[still vigil]

They are still racist, that’s like saying America isn’t racist cause there are black peoplw

[faint saddle]

Says who

[opal tiger]

Nah, answer the question. If the ghouls are in the NCR why are they segregated?

[wintry minnow]

Didn't we turn NCR into Ghouls in NV

[midnight cosmos]

If your wish fulfillment fantasy is being a rapist slaver, uh, that says more about you than anything else

[still vigil]

The trooper at searchlight and the all ghoul ranger camp

[tired onyx]

radiation resistance?

[opal tiger]

Bro please did you play FNV? Did you do the Searchlight quest?

[faint saddle]

You mean the all ghoul ranger camp located right beside a nuclear crater

[wintry minnow]

I wish Followers of Apocalypse is an ending in NV. They seem Minutemen adjacent.

[foggy pendant]

There were literally African Americans in the armed forces when segregation was very much still in effect, the NCR having ghoul soldiers is not out of the ordinary at all

[thorn veldt]

the only serving ghouls we see are in one ranger station, and the trooper in searchlight kinda implies in dialogue that ghouls are not fully accepted

[midnight cosmos]

Things can be better for Ghouls in the NCR than in any other corner of the NV world and still be Not Great.

[tired onyx]

wait where are they segregated which game is this

[faint saddle]

Did you

[still vigil]

But there is a reason you have to send him there, no other option

He is afraid of getting killed by anyone else

[opal tiger]

I did where else are the Ghoul Rangers located at and why couldn't you send the Ghoul soldier anywhere else

[wintry minnow]

The only bad ghouls are the ones who want to invade Tenpenny Tower. Like come on, you are a ghoul and a bad person. Choose a struggle.

[still vigil]

Fnv

[faint saddle]

None of them these people just don't know what they're talking about, the all ghoul NCR outpost was specifically all ghouls because of radiation in the area making them the only suitable rangers for the post

[opal tiger]

And why did the NCR Captain say he should be out down.

Even if you tell him he's not feral.

[thorn veldt]

it's not all ghouls though right? They got one named ranger who leads it who isn't a ghoul, so that would imply its not because of the radiation

[still vigil]

But the only option for the trooper is to go there, if they weren’t segregated why not get him to McCarren for reassignment

[tired onyx]

i played nv but i guess i never found that quest but i literally answered the same thing "radiation resistance" damn im quick ty for that explanation 🤙

[opal tiger]

This, and why aren't there ghouls else where where there is no radiation

[faint saddle]

What

[fresh crown]

hm i just noticed, the coronado elder is a scribe, going by his clothes

[faint saddle]

You mean like the ghoul NCR mechanics

[still vigil]

lol, yeah the menials

[thorn veldt]

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Erasmus not a ghoul, I don't think there's anything ingame that says the ghouls are there because of radiation

[opal tiger]

They aren't, people make shit up. lol

[faint saddle]

Yes like you

Ghouls are not segregated in the NCR lol

[tired onyx]

i guess theyd be better use there? idk. if there is racism i feel like racism in fallout world is a very mild form of aggression 😭

[opal tiger]

Show me where it says they put the ghouls there because of radiation resistance. I'll wait.

[still vigil]

Ghouls are full citizens but they are discriminated against and effectively segregated by their military

[opal tiger]

Because there's nothing in game that suggests that.

[thorn veldt]

Actuall the Comm Officer is also not a ghoul in Ranger Station Echo

[faint saddle]

Show me where it says NCR has segregated the ghoul population

Oh wait, you can't because that doesn't exist

[still vigil]

By the obvious segregation we see in game

[faint saddle]

A singular outpost located beside a nuclear crater

[still vigil]

The only ghouls we see are either segregated by location or profession

[faint saddle]

Good evidence 👍

[opal tiger]

This is the Followers of apocalypse argument all over again.

[still vigil]

We never see a single ghoul trooper with any other

[thorn veldt]

if we're going to imply things like the ghouls are at Ranger Station Echo because of the radiation, couldn't we also imply that the two leaders of Echo not being ghouls implies that ghouls are oppressed from positions of power in the NCR military

[opal tiger]

The only ghouls you see are menials, or in that specific outpost. Nowhere else.

[opal tiger]

HMMM.

[still vigil]

Almost like they are segregated

And the hit swuad sent to Jacob’s town, they are clearly racist to mutants

[foggy pendant]

The NCR actually has anti-discrimination laws. I figure racism is definitely a thing, but it looks like effective segregation probably isn't a thing.
If anything, the Mojave is so far out, who the fuck's gonna do anything about it, anyway?

[still vigil]

Like nv spells it out to us

[opal tiger]

The NCR politician that sent them, yup. They had no problem doing it either.

[faint saddle]

That was sent by a brahmin baron lol

[tired onyx]

whats ur point again?

[tough viper]

would you rather or rather not live around rotting corpses

[still vigil]

Yeah it isn’t an official policy but it is a cultural segregation

[still vigil]

It was a senator

[wintry minnow]

I just realized the best ending for Followers of Apocalyse was either NCR or Legion lol

[opal tiger]

They're fine with it when they do menial labor what's the issue for more troopers, then?

[tired onyx]

dude that one bartender guy from fallout 3 i thought he was cute

[faint saddle]

Yes who wanted the land

[wintry minnow]

oh chile hahaha

[tired onyx]

GOB

[still vigil]

Yes, a member of the NCR government

Forcefully tried to remove mutants

[tired onyx]

u don't agree??

[wintry minnow]

Imagine thirsting for pre-FO4 ghouls

[faint saddle]

Cool, it's still implied he did this on his own

[tough viper]

nah, i dont think people are okay being around ghouls because they are literal rotting bodies

[thorn veldt]

"Morales is up for re-election in the senate and is being backed by brahmin barons for his political base. As described in the mercenary note, he seeks to score cheap points with the anti-mutant electorate and so has decided to hire a team of mercenaries to harass Jacobstown. Earlier, he used the same mercenaries to help brahmin barons seize Oak Creek from its original inhabitants"

[wintry minnow]

At least in FO4 we have Hancock

[foggy apex]

i put a mod in that changes the f4 ghoul textures into f3 and nv

[still vigil]

Bro has never been to a magic tournament

[foggy apex]

hancock has sideburns in it

[foggy pendant]

Why, because they smell bad? Like literally everything else?

[tired onyx]

no no not thirsting but he was sooo insecure in himself and i felt so bad 😭 hes so pure hearted yk

[tough viper]

play fo2

[opal tiger]

Thank you.

[tired onyx]

fo2 is unplayable

[wintry minnow]

If I want insecure bois, I'd go for the DJ in fallout 4

[thorn veldt]

"NCR aren't racist against mutants"

*Entire point of a senator genociding mutants is to get votes from people who hate mutants^

[opal tiger]

It's almost like, no one has the time to be fucking clean in the Wasteland, where everything smells like shit, so trying to use an argument of people smelling bad to separate them, is kinda braindead.

[foggy pendant]

I have, NCR industry be damned, every single person in the Mojave isn't going to bed bath and beyond every sunday though

[opal tiger]

Like I said, people don't play the fucking game man. They headcanon shit all the time. lol

[tired onyx]

dj? magnolia?

[foggy pendant]

also, the ghoul dominatrix in new vegas.

[wintry minnow]

Also if they plan on canonizing everything in the series, they need to put the next Fallout setting in Texas or something

[tired onyx]

that quest caught me off guard

[wintry minnow]

Travis

[still vigil]

“Hey guys the legion and NCR aren’t sustainable and may start infighting” -FNV
“Omg Bethesda ruined the NCR and legion” - fans

[opal tiger]

Clearly people don't mind the smell.

[tough viper]

then you know they smell and attract flies. its a basic living condition issue

[tired onyx]

ohhhh the radio guy

[tough viper]

now that's headcanon.

[opal tiger]

TRUE.

[wintry minnow]

can i say something? Fisto >>>> Beatrix

[fresh crown]

oof thats brutal, tongues already slipping out, severed

[faint saddle]

You mean the part where it shows corrupt lobbyists trying to gain votes from a group? That's not the entirety of the NCR, this is actually such a dumb equivalency, so because part of America voted for trump that makes the whole place in support of him?

[tired onyx]

hes a little twinky idk

[opal tiger]

It was a joke you idiot.

[wintry minnow]

Imagine if Fisto has Victor programming ugh so good

[drifting kiln]

Aren't a load of NCR Vet Rangers Ghouls

[opal tiger]

LMAO

[thorn veldt]

I'd like a Fallout Chicago,

It would be really easy to do, they just take pictures of current day Chicago and they don't need to do any concept art.

Plus we can have My Kind of Town on the radio

[still vigil]

Yes, the ones that cover their face

[foggy pendant]

i'd rather a pretty lady hit me than get a dirty metal fist up my ass, man, i gotta be honest with you

[opal tiger]

Only in one outpost.

[lusty ruin]

wha what is funny i don't get it

[lusty ruin]

no, many vet rangers you meet ingame have ghoul voices

[faint saddle]

Yes if you kill them and take off their armor they are sometimes ghouls

[still vigil]

The veteran rangers have worked their way up enough to where racists won’t fuck with them

[tough viper]

i cant tell since you also claimed the atom shop crap from fo76 is canon

[wintry minnow]

Also they need to put more ghoul kids

[tired onyx]

fallout 3 kinda looks like chicago with all the subways

[opal tiger]

You're still ass mad about that? Cute.

[still vigil]

I want the ghoul kids to age please

[wintry minnow]

Or Fallout in canada

[still vigil]

I hate the permanent kids

[opal tiger]

I have to imagine they age.

[wintry minnow]

since technically it was USA annex anyway

[still vigil]

Why?

[tired onyx]

I was about to say that

[wintry minnow]

theres a 200-y.o kid in fallout 4

[tough viper]

its pretty hard to take you seriously when you claim a setting with an energy crisis doesnt have one because atom shop said so

[still vigil]

Fo4 they don’t

[opal tiger]

I feel like being an immortal child is hell.

[wintry minnow]

Fallout Montreal, we see ghoulish Quebecois

[tired onyx]

did you see in ep 4 the overseer girl had a canadian ID?

[foggy pendant]

4 claims they don't age, but Set's son grew up as a ghoul so who the fuck knows.

[still vigil]

It would be, they always act like kids still too

[still vigil]

Please retcon kid in a fridge

[wintry minnow]

yup. THe least accomodating Canadian in history

[tired onyx]

WHAT ARE RHE THEORIES

[wintry minnow]

But then again, the last time they did in that universe, they got Annexed

[tired onyx]

i need to know everyones theories

[still vigil]

She’s Canadian

[foggy pendant]

Don't get me started on kid in a fucking fridge

[tired onyx]

but that means she's pre bomb

[still vigil]

Canada was annexed by America, then she applied to vault tech

[lusty ruin]

now let's talk about ghouls and food and water, do they need to eat and drink?

Let's Discuss

[faint saddle]

Be funny if Stephanie is gonna start experimenting on the v32 dwellers as revenge for USA annexing canada

[foggy apex]

we know shes pre war, shes from 31

[still vigil]

We have known this since season 1

[tired onyx]

wait when what the fuck

[wintry minnow]

I think they just need radiation

[still vigil]

Everyone from 31 is

[opal tiger]

Yeah she's from the cryopod, im pretty sure we see her pod empty.

[wintry minnow]

cuz i imagine ,their esophagous and intestines are falling out, any food material just pass right through them

[opal tiger]

Hers, Betty, and Hanks.

[foggy pendant]

I took the water chip from Necropolis in my second playthrough of Fallout, damning them to die out from dehydration, but Fallout 4 says they don't need to eat or drink, so I no longer need to feel bad.

[still vigil]

We knew she transferred from 31 in like episode 2

[foggy apex]

again, media illiteracy

[shrewd juniper]

I will say, the only real tragedy of the series as a whole is we didn't see Lucy or the Ghoul loot anyone and wear the wigs.

[wintry minnow]

She is from Vault 31

[tired onyx]

wait

[still vigil]

lol

[wintry minnow]

it was revealed in S1 all Vault 31ners are pre-war

[opal tiger]

people don't be paying attention lol

[tired onyx]

she was in a cryopod??

[wintry minnow]

Duhh

[still vigil]

Did you watch season 1

[opal tiger]

Brother... 💀

[faint saddle]

It would be really funny if Chet goes to tell someone about Stephs ID he saw and doesn't even mention her being born prewar because he was so shocked she was Canadian

[foggy pendant]

everyone in vault 31 was in a cryopod

[tired onyx]

I DONT REMEMBER THAT WAS LAST YEAR

[tough viper]

ron pearlman was lying chud, don't you know about media literacy

[foggy apex]

there is no vault 31 beyond the cryopods

[still vigil]

Every overseer was from pre war, that’s the whole thing

[wintry minnow]

I still need to understand what is Norm gonna do?

[faint saddle]

Stuff

[wintry minnow]

like whats the plan? they dont even have weapons

[tired onyx]

i need to rewatch season 1. what the fuck. ty 😭

[wintry minnow]

All they got are bad SPECIAL stats and ugly shoes

[tired onyx]

probably gonna try looking for his mom 😭

[lusty ruin]

wow guys it doesn't look like the game, should we complain?

[still vigil]

Yeah ghouls needing to eat and drink needs to come back, let them last longer because of radiation but require it a little

[opal tiger]

Yes. Complain that the Lucky 38 is 30 feet off to the left.

[still vigil]

Wait that dirt shack is facing south not south-east

[foggy pendant]

why is this building awning half-sunken into the sand but every other item around it seems to be level

[wintry minnow]

one could ask, where is the view? from east/west/north/south?

[lusty ruin]

uh not sure

[foggy pendant]

this makes no sense. which fucking item is actually level

[wintry minnow]

cuz perspective is everything

[drifting kiln]

Her being Canadian doesn't matter, it's more she's 200 years old and Chet now knows this

[wintry minnow]

I have a feeling

[tired onyx]

the vaults were for americans 😩😩😩

[wintry minnow]

she gonna kill the fat guy

[lusty ruin]

what

[foggy pendant]

canada was an american territory by the time of the great war

[wintry minnow]

but canada is american now thanks to annexation

[lusty ruin]

oh woody

[drifting kiln]

Vaults were for whoever vault tech wanted in them

[still vigil]

It’s actually just a sick skate park feature

[faint saddle]

"His former commanding officer, First Sergeant Astor, believes every ghoul in Camp Searchlight is suffering, feral or not, and needs to be put down as a sign of compassion.[7][8][9] In the private's own words, he "may be suffering, but [he] still wants to live."[10] Once he is informed of Ranger Station Echo, he will finally feel like he has a place in the world since he underwent ghoulification and will report there immediately.[11]" doesn't sound like bigotry to me but more like feeling sorry for the guy

[tired onyx]

yeah but didnt the americans torture the canadians

[wintry minnow]

I imagine Fallout Canada would just be Skyrim using Fallout 4 engine

[fresh crown]

his name is Woody

[tired onyx]

skyrim mentioned

[wintry minnow]

Fallout Saskachewan sksksks

[still vigil]

It sounds like a white savior complex

[drifting kiln]

Yes there were ghettos, it was an occupation

[still vigil]

A form of racism

[faint saddle]

It sounds like you guys were wrong about segregation

[opal tiger]

bro spent several minutes to find that

[tired onyx]

so why would she be accepted into a cyropod bro

[still vigil]

He disregards a minorities opinion, and wants to kill him thinking he knows better

[faint saddle]

It took 10 seconds actually

[drifting kiln]

Because she's one of Bud's Buds

[faint saddle]

I only just looked it up cuz bored

[wintry minnow]

yeah. You cannot make Fallout canada without 10 feet of snow like Skyrim

[drifting kiln]

Doesn't matter that she's Canadian or American or anything, she's a VaultTech employee

[still vigil]

NCR is racist and has social segregation

[opal tiger]

Riiight, doesn't change the fact he ignores the soldier's opinion, claims he knows better, and also doesn't excuse the NCR has an ANTI-MUTANT ORG inside their Faction. lol

[faint saddle]

Keep believing that head canon

[wintry minnow]

Also there are vaults in Canada, I would love to explore them.

[still vigil]

lol keep ignoring evidence

[opal tiger]

they always do

[wintry minnow]

DId you know that commie vault in the series is a cut content in new vegas lol

[tired onyx]

i guess. i mean they couldve given her an american ID but they gave her a canadian one i refuse to believe there's not more to that

[faint saddle]

USA has KKK so what, one organization of bigots doesn't represent the whole society

[still vigil]

The USA is racist

[faint saddle]

Lol ok

[still vigil]

Lmao

[wintry minnow]

I remember there is a cryopod vault in fallout 3 which one is it

[lusty ruin]

canon ending

[tired onyx]

didnt know that

[still vigil]

Try living in Tennessee

[drifting kiln]

I mean lol maybe because Vault People seem stupid this matters more than her being 200 years old, but the ID mainly shows she was alive before the bombs dropped

[tough viper]

but marcus can enter ncr?

[tired onyx]

im being sarcastic i grew up in missouri 😭

[drifting kiln]

It's more confirmation for Chet she isn't who she claims to be

[still vigil]

And gets mercs sent after him by a senator looking to get re elected by anti-mutant voters

[tired onyx]

agreed

[still vigil]

They have legal rights but are still social outcasts

[foggy pendant]

I really hope they're still Master remnants if they bring super mutants onto the show. If they're east coast dumbasses I'm gonna be sad.

[tired onyx]

POOR CHETTTT

[still vigil]

And face harsh discrimination

[wintry minnow]

Honestly there is a lot of substories happening in that vault than the wasteland

[tired onyx]

shouldve married his cousin lucy bro

[opal tiger]

Same, I genuinely would like to see more Western Mutants in general.

[faint saddle]

Mouth straps too

[foggy pendant]

I'm hoping for Marcus 😭

[tough viper]

corrupt faction does corrupt shit, crazy

[foggy pendant]

i've been playing saints row 2 again lately as well, michael dorn's so great

[opal tiger]

Man, that's a blast from the past. Haven't touched Saints in fucking ages. lol

[still vigil]

I was just responding to you fam, corruption doesn’t cancel out a racially motivated order by a representative

[wintry minnow]

We need to see more Nightkins in newer games

also a pet radscorpion or something

[tired onyx]

ugh super mutants are my favorite creatures in fallout

[foggy pendant]

I just wanna see more smart super mutants that are less Strong, more Marcus

[still vigil]

I want more cute bramin that aren’t all gross

[tired onyx]

FIV lore was so cool

[opal tiger]

Milk of human kindness.

[still vigil]

That’s the cat aids

You mean fev

[tired onyx]

do we ever find out what that means

[wintry minnow]

We have one in Fallout 4

[tired onyx]

yes thank you double7 i meant FEV

[foggy pendant]

i did say "less Strong" LOL

[still vigil]

He is stupid, it’s a confused saying

[wintry minnow]

Brian Virgil

[wintry minnow]

Speaking of

[opal tiger]

No, it's a fallacy, doesn't really exist. He's delusional. lol

[foggy pendant]

oh yeah, virgil
dont get me started on virgil

[tired onyx]

hes not stupid 🥲

[wintry minnow]

what is Ronnie up to?

[foggy pendant]

the implications alone of a super mutant cure existing

[still vigil]

Some of the masters mutants were strong level dumb

[wintry minnow]

Im gonna start you on him, what about it

[still vigil]

Not all of them were intelligent, or even most

[tough viper]

no im pretty sure its just being corrupt, and iirc you can turn him in to the NCR at mccarran

or at least get them to knock it off

[tired onyx]

wdym?

[wintry minnow]

knowing institute is not the canon ending, we probably will not see that in the future

[still vigil]

The note even says that their are a large amount of anti-mutant voters, that’s proof the NCR is racist

[wintry minnow]

The guy who mentioned FEV as phase 2

for Buds Buds

[tired onyx]

yesss what about him

[still vigil]

He doesn’t say FEV

[wintry minnow]

very coded

[opal tiger]

He does. It's different words.

[still vigil]

Can you quote it?

[foggy pendant]

im going to turn myself into a super mutant to go hide out from the institute in a heavily irradiated area (ignore the fact the institute has literal synthetic humans that are immune to radiation, dont think about it)

[tough viper]

that only proves some frontier area in the NCR has anti mutant sentiment, which is normal considering black mountain