EPISODE 4

[unborn nimbus]

instead what we get is your tv show walking dead but with fallout tech

[real shuttle]

I think the only thing that could potentially work is the fusion thing getting to vegas and allowing Vegas to rebuild but there's no-one there. So it'd have to be accompanied by a great movement in people and like... there are none left

Maybe the Vault dwellers?

But then that's it, who else is there. NCR coming and going "Yo whaddup" out of nowhere?

[burnt grail]

i still subscribe to the far fetched theory maximus will deliver cold fusion to the ncr

[real shuttle]

I mean he's from Shady sands

He could probably be convinced

[simple rampart]

Think the only new vegas character alive we’ve seen is victor?

[steady night]

How far fetched is it really when like the other options are out of the question

[lusty ruin]

i mean from what we saw Freeside has bunch of people, but we have not seen anyone interact with freeside people yet lmao in any trailers or teasers

[real shuttle]

But we haven't really seen any NCR to hand it to except for a rag tag band under Moldaver

and they were so poorly equipped if that's all that's left they're fucked

[burnt grail]

idk but for some reason some people really hate the idea of the NCR not being dead lol

[dull urchin]

the rangers are leaving somewhere, they're probably gonna meet up with more NCR or get captured by the legion

[lusty ruin]

the NCR they have no contact with?

[simple rampart]

They only wanted hoover dam no?

[steady night]

True lol

[real shuttle]

They're no longer cut off by the legion I guess so can leave

But like... where are they leaving to? What's out there? We ain't seen shit

[unborn nimbus]

tv writers needs to be hammered in you need a setting with actual people still around to populate areas

and people don't magically spawn from thin air.

[simple rampart]

They’re going to… San Francisco!

[real shuttle]

So if we get an NCR battalion coming in out of nowhere then that's just shit writing

you can't have them be like Moldaver's crew then be able to send a huge force

I genuinely can't think of a good way out of this hole.

[steady night]

There was the mention of the battalion, though

Sure they might be dead but I think that might be a red herring

[real shuttle]

Yeah so where the fuck was it and why was Moldaver's lot so undersupplied if they can actually form a battalion and equip it etc.

[dull urchin]

|| there's a reasonable amount of people in free side ||

[unborn nimbus]

honestly we need a lot more settlements spread around the map than just one settlement with people.

[ashen orchid]

if only the NCR controlled a huge portion of the west coast
they might have just been able to survive!

[real shuttle]

You mean the ||Free side next to fucking|| deathclaws and no Vegas?

If so that's hardly... good writing.

Like, why be there at all. Why not move to lake mead.

[dull urchin]

we'll see I guess

[unborn nimbus]

video game logic means you can't render huge population in most settlements without the game lagging, but tv shows could have done better in terms of showing more people in various settlements across the map

[steady night]

No clue
One idea I could have is that Moldaver really had nothing to do with the proper NCR and was just acting on her own

[burnt grail]

no Vegas is a good pun lol

[real shuttle]

Idk man pre this episode I only realistically had one problem with the show but now I have... lots.

[eternal moth]

Hidden

[dull urchin]

moldaver wasn't very moral, her band of raiders didn't seem like NCR

[ashen orchid]

Sloan lives right next to a deathclaw hell
people live in the weirdest places

[simple rampart]

This episode has divided the fandom!

[real shuttle]

I mean they had NCR flags. Maybe they were defectors or outcasts I guess.

But then where the fuck is the real lot.

That means we've seen none

Next to their fucking capital

[broken swallow]

I thought they were just radicalized survivors of shady.

[ashen orchid]

that implies we were united in the first place lol

[shrewd grotto]

I think they made a huge mistake setting season 2 in Vegas to begin with, they should have just gone to an area not seen before

[simple rampart]

Ah 😆

[burnt grail]

ex capital, the sign says that shady sands was no longer the capital when it was nuked

[dull urchin]

highly doubt that it was their actual HQ

[lusty ruin]

and it said NCR HQ

[steady night]

Actually yeah like
Sloan wasn't too far off Quarry Junction and they didn't even have a wall to protect them
Deathclaws just kinda chill I guess

[outer iris]

We’re getting the chris avellone “NUKE EVERY SOCIETY” canon timeline in the tv show

[lusty ruin]

but yeahhh no ncr at ALL in california wowe

[real shuttle]

Yeah so where the fuck was all their shit, are you telling me that they just up and left their entire capital out of the blue?

Because they didn't - we literally saw it get nuked

[broken swallow]

If it wasn’t the HQ, why would Kimball have been there coincidentally at the right time to be nuked?

[burnt grail]

which is ironic cause he also hates the show lmao

[simple rampart]

I was thinking that, the deathclaws in the quarry seemed to just stay there

[outer iris]

We barely saw any of cali, NCR has a huge concentration in north cali

[lusty ruin]

i think the radio hut from s1 had a NCR flag flying

[outer iris]

And to put it in perspective, california, especially NEW cali is the size of like half the east coast

[ashen orchid]

if you return the deathclaw egg in Fallout 4 it wont attack you at all
deathclaws are smarter then they appear

[real shuttle]

Yeah there's NCR support bases elsewhere, that could be a supply, but they're just fucking gone from here.

[real shuttle]

It did, there's one or two small nods to it existing

[dull urchin]

cali is fucking massive

[real shuttle]

which insane given what was there just 20 years prior

[broken swallow]

20 years and the rest of the NCR just collectively agreed to abandon all of south California, their citizens and anyone left in the Mojave.

[lusty ruin]

"the govermint" was such a f u

[outer iris]

What annoys me is the near total lack of NCR infastructure and people living like hicks in season 1

[burnt grail]

still hoping onto the theory the NCR have relocated north after the shady sands bombing and have simply withdrawn out of the state of the boneyard and by extension the mojave

[pseudo radish]

Drugged lucy is a badass tbh

[lusty ruin]

still think it's funny as shit that Kimball has a ingame portait

[outer iris]

Ikr, the total fucking hick portrayal got on my nerves, filly too. Both these places are absolutely shitholes by ncr standards, which shouldnt be the case near the capital

[real shuttle]

An economy so advanced it can arm every soldier similarly, send out vertibirds, has fucking scientific outreach programs etc

Just fucking yeeted

And all we get is a radio shack with a flag and some remnants at the observatory nearby its old capital.

Like, that annoyed me. But I'd hoped they'd bring shit back.

Then we get forlorn hope dead and all that shit and now every other faction's fucked...

Guess we got Victor at least. Even if he was malfunctioning.

[alpine pelican]

is this ai?

[lusty ruin]

it looks AI

[simple rampart]

Yeah! We got victor!

[broken swallow]

Wouldn’t put it past them

[real shuttle]

This is in an earlier episode

So possibly not.

[outer iris]

I think the angels boneyard was all but retconned out of existence too, which is… a shame simply put.

[real shuttle]

Yeah like, fucking everything is gone

[outer iris]

Considering the industrial nature of the city

The followers library? No mention

[broken swallow]

lol I remember all the headcanon that the BoS took over the boneyard and used it’s manufacturing

[real shuttle]

Let me put it this way.

Pripyat was flat out abandoned 40 years ago this year.

There's commie flags and shit all over it.

And all we get from the NCR is... well, this?

It stings man

[real shuttle]

It's been half that time

[odd furnace]

"fallout fans when the show about the cycle of war doesnt let factions exist for 40 years" do superpowers just poof out of existence for thematic purposes or??

[real shuttle]

He has one in the hut too iirc

[outer iris]

I have some issues with shady sands portrayal in s2 aswell, with its size, and that line from maximus’s father “we got fresh water no rads!” As if thats a new recent achievement in the CAPITAL of the republic

They also got rid of the walls and laser gates and guards

[odd furnace]

ill give it to them they pulled off the deathclaws really well

[real shuttle]

If you're gonna kill a faction, kill it right.

Show me it dying, show why it died, have reason to it.

Don't just fucking ignore it or yeet it as you don't want it. That's shit writing.

[unborn nimbus]

tv show writers not getting how big NCR was?

[real shuttle]

Again, this nation had fucking scientific expeditions. The government was significant enough to be able to afford and do fucking research programs.

[unborn nimbus]

imo, a lot of modern writers can't handle depiction of large societies and what it takes to amke them work

[outer iris]

And for some reason one caravan showing up was a community wide event where everyone showed up to look at it? Like what? This is the capital where hundreds of traders/caravans run through

[odd furnace]

yeah maybe show new factions and stuff that it splintered into, make someone explain how it happened, etc

[real shuttle]

You wanna kill it, kill it via something like internal distrust and civil war, show trade breaking down, and people having to return to scavenging/the land because of starvation.

You can do that in 40 years. Hell even 20 - people starve in 3 weeks, lot can happen in that time.

Don't just... do this

[outer iris]

I’m of the opinion that the writers leaned too heavy on the “new hope society” idea with ncr portraying it as a new success in the wastes, even shady looks like its carved out of a ruin which is absolutely not the case canonically

Its been established for near a 100 years

[odd furnace]

bethesda when you try to explain that people won't still live in mud huts like 200 years after the bombs drop

[lusty ruin]

i did't see it

[outer iris]

But for some reason citizens in the capital get excited when their water had no rads? In the capital? It just annoys the fuck out of me

[blissful iron]

And when you explain that the Wasteland isn't supposed to be permanent.

[burnt grail]

those vault 31 guys eating the 200 year old pasta out the van lol

[onyx pelican]

For the amount of land the Ncr takes up and its estimated population during new Vegas it’s not exactly this giant civilization

[burnt grail]

its also like shady sands was founded with a geck, there shouldnt have ever been rads there

[odd furnace]

"b-but the post apocalyptic vibe!"

[outer iris]

Even the entrance to shady in the show is portrayed as having ruined cars and skeletons, like cmon dude just keep rubbing the dirt in further damn

[burnt grail]

ruined cars on the strip too for some reason

[broken swallow]

Don’t mind me while I sweep the dirt lmao

[real shuttle]

But it has to have substance because of what it can mobilise.

[odd furnace]

people can rebuild whole modern cities after wars irl and you tell me 200 years after the bombs drop no one's bothered to move debris out of their city? lmao

[blissful iron]

Even so, the NCR had far more cities than just Shady Sands.

[real shuttle]

You think some random town can mobilise monorails, battalions, vertibirds, power armour, hundreds of miles from home?

[odd furnace]

for wasteland standards it is, though

[real shuttle]

We've seen what they can do

[broken swallow]

The Hub and Necropolis should have been 2 major locations Lucy and the Ghoul passed

[outer iris]

New california is MASSIVE and the fact that they not only have the logistics to run a multi state nation with infastructure, education, and welfare WITH a military that can fight multiple concurrent wars is impressive

They can literally march an army hundreds of miles into the mojave while fighting in baja cali and the brotherhood

[odd furnace]

the whole point of post apocalyptic media is to explore how people rebuild... if you reset them every game and then nuke them in the show what's the point?

[shrewd grotto]

Maybe Hank did a lot more to the NCR than blow up shady sands

[real shuttle]

I'd rather they show that.

[odd furnace]

then show vault-tec sending out major orders to multiple vaults to nuke the NCR

[outer iris]

Its possible, but it doesn’t change the fact that the showrunners definitely have a different idea of the NCR so far

[real shuttle]

But yeah, they could have the NCR come in out of nowhere, or be killed by other shit...

But every faction is being torn apart.

[broken swallow]

“Burned our crops, poisoned our water supply” lmao

[odd furnace]

i can understand the legion being torn apart after caesar's death because they had no direction without him

[burnt grail]

if the enclave can seemingly come back like 3 times im sure the ncr can if the writers want

[onyx pelican]

Civil war season lol

[outer iris]

The scale of most of the factions in the show is just a tad silly, other than the brotherhood ofcourse

[onyx pelican]

I mean the legion falling into civil war makes more than enough sense in lore

[lusty ruin]

we have yet to see the NCR from the bridge we saw in ep4 form leaks

[blissful iron]

And it'd be one thing if the NCR crapped out because of things already brought up in NV; overextension, famine, the works. But having it because of some random Vault-Tec middle manager LARP'ing as Ulysses just feels cheap.

[odd furnace]

they made the brotherhood lore accurate in terms of size and then nuked every other faction to three (3) people

[onyx pelican]

Not the first time we’ve seen a fragmented brotherhood

[real shuttle]

Yeah the legion civil war was guaranteed given what the legion was

I don't mind that

[outer iris]

True lol

Fuck the legion

[unborn nimbus]

tv show writers wanting shock value

[odd furnace]

i like how they nerfed power armor though

[alpine pelican]

thing is it was executed horribly

[unborn nimbus]

it's all shock value in the end

[broken swallow]

Yeah but does it really make sense if they’ve been beefing for years now all they would have is a dirt mound between them?

[real shuttle]

No.

Not at all.

[outer iris]

No i think it was portrayed fine, the legion doing this is well in line with what we’ve seen

[real shuttle]

It's a bit too goofy for me, much like thad in the armour.

you can have dumb shit but don't make people that dumb.

[unborn nimbus]

tv show scale is all weird tbh. they seem to go with game scale despite the reason game scale map sizes and game population being limited is because games can only load so many stuff at once

[odd furnace]

also the legion was massive, not just that camp. it wouldve been better to show the mojave being ravaged by the legion civil war and have the NCR abandon it because of that

[onyx pelican]

Was it though

[blissful iron]

And for that matter, what's going on back in Arizona? Are there more wannabe Caesars fighting over Sallow's throne?

[real shuttle]

Have smart people find dumb pre war shit. Or be questioning dumb shit they're made to do. Not... that

[real shuttle]

Dude just go round the fucking dirt pile.

Also

They have guns, how is there a dirt pile.

[outer iris]

Yeah vegas especially is disappointing, its suppose to house thousands in lore but they pretty much went game scale for the strip itself

[alpine pelican]

you're telling me 10+ years after Caesar died in a random spot they're fighting over his corpse with the camps right next to each other

[real shuttle]

Like, the legion are dumb and subordinate, but there's no fucking way it'd end up like that.

[odd furnace]

would make more sense than uhhh everyones dead

[broken swallow]

Like why would the legion make two near identical camps right next to each other and stay in the Mojave years after Ceasars death.

[outer iris]

I know they added buildings and stuff but the strip canonically shouldnt be that tiny

[alpine pelican]

it's ridiculous

[blissful iron]

Oh, and what is with all these fellas being from before the Great War? Coop, Stephanie, Betty, Moldaver, Bud, the Vault 31 people, etc.

[burnt grail]

yeah the strip so obviously felt like an interior set piece

[alpine pelican]

exactly

[unborn nimbus]

it's like old video games use to only have a few houses or buildings because limitation of the game itself. Not that tv shows or movies should replicate the exact same limited scale

[odd furnace]

why not like.... film at irl vegas and then edit it lol they have the budget

[unborn nimbus]

the showrunners clearly have played the games but they don't get the games had limitations because of older game console tech

[outer iris]

The kings too did lucy headshot the king then and there with no mention or acknowledgement of who he was

Like damn bruh

[broken swallow]

New Vegas Strip? More like New Vegas plaza

[foggy pendant]

because las vegas is a functioning city and microsoft is not spending miramax money on video game tv shows 😭

[unborn nimbus]

most fallout game maps are several times smaller than real world map location

[real shuttle]

Tbh I wonder if the small strip was a reference to just how small it is in the game. I don't mind that.

[outer iris]

The show has a FUCKTON of budget if you didnt know

[shrewd grotto]

Yeah that made me sad, I liked the King

[real shuttle]

It's like the slo mo to signify VATS

[steady night]

I just need the rest of the episodes man...
Idk why I feel this weekly schedule is doing more harm than good when if they just released it all at once we would just have people not talking about anything other than the ending

[unborn nimbus]

They clearly could recreate pre war Vegas

[alpine pelican]

everything is silly this season and there are very few cool moments and charaters to make up for it compared to season 1

[odd furnace]

amazon is like the second wealthiest corporation in the world they can give em the funds

[outer iris]

California the state gave them like hundred million dollars or more if i recall

[real shuttle]

My issues are purely "What the fuck are they doing with the writing" because like... I'll let them cook, but that fuckers already burnt and I see no way out.

[foggy pendant]

the money they have and the money they're willing to spend are two very different things

[alpine pelican]

we're halfway through the season and nothing has really happened

[pseudo radish]

I am loving this season so far

[burnt grail]

its important to keep in mind season 2 got the best case scenario funding - they did not expect season 1 to pop off but still had the nv end credits scene so would have gone forward with season 2 set in vegas on a lower budget if the show didnt pop off

[outer iris]

Yeah I enjoy the show, especially the portrayal of gear and set pieces but damn the writing this season is hurting me lol

[blissful iron]

I mean, Coop had an awkward conversation with House in a VFW bathroom.

[pseudo radish]

The deathclaw is awesome

[shrewd grotto]

Because that's where the budget went 😅

[real shuttle]

It's not quite netflix writing... yet.

But the overly goofyness and need for characters to be thick as shit and quirky is... not a good sign.

Like, Maximus being occasionally Charisma 1 is fine.

[outer iris]

Also what the hell is going on with the shows complete disregard of locations in nevada and seemingly teleporting?

[real shuttle]

That legion shit was just like... really though?

[steady night]

I don't think it is the writing per se
It is the pacing
As in, this weekly pace is really going to kill me

[outer iris]

Nah i dont fw the writing rn, especially in regards to shady/ncr and some parts of the legion storyline

[burnt grail]

i mean tbf dont hollywood writers get paid like absolutely nothing

[lusty ruin]

the strip set

[outer iris]

Pacing is indeed all over the place agreed

[outer iris]

God why did they put cars there it makes no sense

[real shuttle]

It watches like a show designed to be binged.

[onyx pelican]

Lowk kinda hot Ik ngl

[real shuttle]

So I wonder how late to the game the weekly schedule was

[shrewd grotto]

Give it a couple more years guys, and then we can all generate our own fallout TV shows with AI at home 👍

[onyx pelican]

The sexual tension between house and coop is palpable you could cut it with a knife

[lusty ruin]

no thanks

[steady night]

I knowwww
With this weekly thing it just feels incomplete

[real shuttle]

I re-watched 1-3 with my parents and it watches better in a binge, so it'd make sense if it was a late decision.

[blissful iron]

Yeah, Lucy's whole routine in particular got tiresome at some point; I get it, she's sheltered, but does she really need to ramble about Charles Dickens or try to 'um, acktually' the Legion of all people?

[outer iris]

They really should’ve put it out all at once, but i get what amazons trying to do

[real shuttle]

She might be getting some character growth this season.

That or it was just drugs.

But yeah she should fucking know by now to listen to coop jesus christ

[alpine pelican]

if you sit and think through the plot of this season you instantly find things that make no sense

[outer iris]

This season i really feel like im less hyped and have to watch the recaps to actually remember the 6 different plotlines going. Less dedicated fans like my parents are legit just not hyped at all and say the pacing sucks, and they loved the first season

[blissful iron]

True, her on Buffout was admittedly fun; gal finally acting like a Fallout protagonist for once.

[shrewd grotto]

Is becoming a drug addict really character growth 🤣

[real shuttle]

No, but if it enables her to become the person she needs to be in the wasteland, and she realises that, that could help her grow.

[steady night]

It is incomplete but in the sense that like
You are never satisfied with each episode ending because you need more
And that is because it seems like this was designed to be watched in one sitting

[blissful iron]

And honestly, maybe chems is just what her character build needed.

[outer iris]

Fallout is trying to be a Game of Thrones/TWD show but the way they paced it just doesnt work like that with weekly releases

[real shuttle]

I mean even if she just remembers doing it and goes "Well I've done it once..."

[shrewd grotto]

Well she might as well go all the way then, might as well add some jet to the mix for more of that growth

[alpine pelican]

than and they waste time in things they shouldn't considering it's an 8 episode season

[burnt grail]

wait so did the NCR put lucy on a 2 day iv drip of buffout

[blissful iron]

Go for broke and have her high on Psycho.

[fresh garnet]

I don’t really think the pacing points to it being better released all at once or intended to be that way originally. The cliffhanger nature of each ep feels like VERY classic weekly TV, and the bouncing between different storylines is already pretty typical.

I think the weekly release is a better plan and is more enjoyable this way tbh

[outer iris]

I bet lucy’s gonna be high as fuck and on a rager when she punches coop out the window with the power fist

[broken swallow]

They're really starting to stack up plotlines. I hope they start resolving some of them because they're stretching all of them out pretty thin.
I mean you've got the original vault
Lucy and the ghoul, with several plotlines themselves
Norm
The NCR
The brotherhood with several potential plotlines
Thaddeus.
Cooper in the past.
And God knows how many others.

[outer iris]

Buncha drugs in freeside!

[shrewd grotto]

Wash it down with some nuka cola quantum

[outer iris]

Its just way too fucking many in the format they’re releasing rn, its kinda slogging

[alpine pelican]

also why were the kings not in freeside?

[outer iris]

Because the show demanded a silly ambush set piece with cool reference

[burnt grail]

they lowkey teleported around the strip since freeside is on the other side from where they enter lol

[blissful iron]

Yeah, 8 episodes kinda feels too short to tackle all of those without spamming fast travel.

[onyx pelican]

Her muscles probably atrophied after all of that time up on the cross or something

[outer iris]

Cooper even says that freeside is a half days walk so there is no reason for the kings to be there

[alpine pelican]

they really should increase the number of episodes next season how expensive can it be

[shrewd grotto]

Seeing as radiation is being detected in the strip maybe they are attracted to it? I don't know

[outer iris]

Fallout NEEDS like a 12 episode format

[onyx pelican]

Season 2 has that deltarune pacing lmfao

[outer iris]

I mean ig, but the kings were never ghouls originally

[broken swallow]

It cannot be that expensive to just add more scenes of people talking.

[shrewd grotto]

Yeah I'm very confused at what could have ghoulified them

[broken swallow]

Whatever ghoulified the kings just conveniently left the rest of Freeside alone

[fresh garnet]

Oh it definitely can be lol not to mention if they make more episodes just to have mostly talking…it will be received very poorly

[next ravine]

The deathclaw looks magnificent. I cant wait for next week

[blissful iron]

Maybe their hair gel got contaminated?

[lusty ruin]

so plots we got now is

mr house prewar
cooper prewar
hank chip thingy
lucy and cooper
bos
vault 32 and 33
norm and co
legion and ncr?

[alpine pelican]

i think they spend too much time and resources on it

we could have had super mutants instead

[outer iris]

New vegas season and no cazadores would be kinda insane ngl (in the bad way)

[lusty ruin]

i doubt we will get any cazadores

[next ravine]

No reason why we wont get both. Theres 4 episodes left after all

[fresh garnet]

That’s unlikely to have been an either-or choice for them, and I imagine they went with deathclaws for story choices more than anything else

[outer iris]

No reference to the mojave outpost statues was also pretty insane to me, you would think they’d have an iconic shot of it

They just kinda brushed over the outpost entirely

[blissful iron]

Like, it'd have been funny for Lucy and Coop to try the northern route to Vegas, but immediately have to go through Nipton when they get jumped by a swarm of Cazadores.

[crimson tundra]

We will, watch the trailer

[outer iris]

I enjoyed the portrayal of t-45 as the absolute piece of junk that it is

[burnt grail]

yeah especially since it would tie in so perfectly thematically with all the call backs to the ncr's greatness they do

[alpine pelican]

well they don't have an unlimited budget and there's too much stuff to be wrapped up the next 4 episodes

[steady night]

Yeah no I thought this whole was going to start there, actually

[lusty ruin]

oh shit we still have yet to see who the mutant like voice in the s2 trailer is

[outer iris]

I gotta say though, the t-45 looks cleaner and cooler than the t-60 imo

[lusty ruin]

and i still can't wait for this PA to be explained

[blissful iron]

Same, honestly, or even Goodsprings; then again, maybe it'd be for the best not to touch Goodsprings. Fellas might've turned it into a coyote den or cazador nest.

[shrewd grotto]

I wonder how many deathclaws are in the strip right now?

[lusty ruin]

someone showed a photo showing 2, 3?

[outer iris]

Ncr built this in cave! With a box of scraps!

[rocky monolith]

I really wish they made the strip bigger. I would rather have a CGI strip the size of the actual LV strip than a prop strip smaller than the game. But that’s just me

[alpine pelican]

it's kinda weird how the strip's taken over by deathclaws while freeside is fine

[fresh garnet]

I think they’ll be leaving a good half or so of the story arcs pretty open ended for more future things to explore, because yeah, it’s a lot to wrap up in any meaningful sense

[alpine pelican]

and the kings were ghoulified

[outer iris]

Yeah since the deathclaw fucking ripped open the gomorrah door, whats stopping it from tearing up that shitty gate

[lusty ruin]

it looks like cooper and lucy goes to freeside, gets split up, and cooper goes with Thaddeus and maximus in NCR Power Armor to fight the deathclaw

[rocky monolith]

Imagine you just won big in a casino and can’t wait to get back to New California to give your family a better live than as soon as you step out you get turned to strawberry jam by some giant lizard

[steady night]

Same reason they don't rip Sloan apart I guess????

[burnt grail]

the ghoul and maximus still havent met isnt that crazy (properly)

[lusty ruin]

and cooper gets a Gauss Rifle too

[outer iris]

Territorial ig, but freeside is literally RIPE free food like 10 feet away

Sloan is canonically further than it is ingame i’d imagine

[shrewd grotto]

Maybe the deathclaw is friendly and went to watch some strippers dancing?

[outer iris]

He did go to gommorah after all

Im happy that this means the omertas were probably visciously ripped apart, deserved.

[lusty ruin]

i can't wait to see Vegas strip prewar

[rocky monolith]

How did the kings get ghoulified in the first place. Didn

[lusty ruin]

oh that's the yellow dress she wears later in the strip

[outer iris]

I bet a bunch of the strip people are taking refuge in freeside and after the deathclaw everyone moves back in when max kills it

[blissful iron]

One can only hope Joanna and Carlitos got the heck away from the Strip before whatever went down there occured.

[real shuttle]

Maybe Max finds his old one.

It'll have a crushed head, hence the NCR helmet, and he decks it out to not look BoS to not get shot as them, idk

[alpine pelican]

i just wanna know what happened to house they're edging us all season

hope we learn next episode

[lusty ruin]

also yet to see the radroach attack

[blissful iron]

I'd be curious to see House crash out upon finding out what Hank's been pulling.

[lusty ruin]

when was the last time we saw hank now

[fresh garnet]

Hang on, so question - and at risk of sounding stupid - did the sound design for the Deathclaws seem to have some very human-sounding elements to it? More than expected, at least.

I don't necessarily think they're trying to go towards intelligent/talking deathclaws, but it did stand out to me.

Or is that just me using headphones when I shouldn't have smh

[blissful iron]

Maybe those eggs were laid by the mate of an intelligent deathclaw?

[real shuttle]

There are intelligent deathclaws in the NCR.

The Enclave gave them the ability to speak.

(FO2 lore.)

[fresh garnet]

I know those did exist, but it seems quick to introduce them I mean

[real shuttle]

I mean the Enclave's appaently still somehow a thing so uh... maybe they're still at it

[fresh garnet]

But did anyone else hear the unexpected human quality to how they sounded, or did I imagine it?

[lusty ruin]

wait this scene

[outer iris]

retcons that out like a boss since it mentions ncr - tv showrunner probably

[outer iris]

Ncr dusty camp #20

[real shuttle]

Lucy: "Did that deathclaw just speak"

Coop: "No, don't be silly, they're just violent killers, no deathclaw has ever chosen to speak"

Lucy: Goes up to talk to it anyway, dies

[crimson tundra]

Does anyone think the courier has absolutely done nothing in the Mojave

[broken swallow]

I forget who argued endlessly that norm and co would just walk back around the the entrance of 33, but told you so.

[outer iris]

The ghoul looks stressed in this scene

[shrewd grotto]

I guess Lucy and cooper run into the lucky 38 to escape the deathclaw?

[real shuttle]

I'd assume so

[blissful iron]

Courier's looking to be the laziest Fallout protag ever.

[outer iris]

The courier is canonically a bum who kills people for sport

Headcanon that the courier speedruns OWB and just decided to live there

And tells the mojave to go fuck itself

[lusty ruin]

i just wonder if its a cut scene or not, it looks far away from vegas

[blissful iron]

Dude looks like Cooper Howard again in that picture; something must've spooked him worse than the Deathclaw did.

[outer iris]

This whole season has been different for the ghoul, he’s been way more stressed out lol

He was a cold fucker in the first season, but coop is showing through more this season

[lusty ruin]

next scene in trailer is this, but not sure if it chronological

same kinda ground

[exotic stone]

Okay, anyone else confused about a Deathclaw in Alaska?!

[twin kelp]

No

[outer iris]

No, they’ve always been a pre war super soldier project

[worthy monolith]

No? It's kind of common sense that the US government would take one on a test run

[twin kelp]

They were loosing land in Alaska and they would have lost if not for the death claws which we can assume were placed behind enemy lines

[dull urchin]

i feel like he's looking at his daughter, maybe mutated? but the setting doesn't really make sense for that

[twin kelp]

It’s my theory as to why they deployed them

[opal tiger]

But it was on the island, not specifically Alaska itself.

[shrewd grotto]

They should have given the death claws power armour

[blissful iron]

Coop seeing his daughter again feels like a season finale kinda thing, honestly.

[twin kelp]

Well everything he did ended up getting reversed for whatever reason

[twin kelp]

They were loosing the island then

[crimson tundra]

I'm hoping he has meaning

[broken swallow]

God I hate how this seemingly takes away from the important of T-51

[twin kelp]

They are the power armor

[crimson tundra]

I have high hopes

[real shuttle]

That ain't spooked

that's sad

[dull urchin]

idk what else would strike fear in him like that

[exotic stone]

I understand they are from the Jackson chameleon(?), but actually deployed?

New to me.

[dull urchin]

is he back at camp golf in that scene?

[blissful iron]

Maybe it's after he, say, sells Lucy to Hank in exchange for intel about his wife and daughter?

[outer iris]

Yaknow i think they might’ve retconned t-51 since they’re still portraying t-45 seemingly at the same time deathclaws were dropped in, late war.

[opal tiger]

No, I kept telling y'all that all the Courier did was deliver the chip but everyone kept saying no. The Courier's original existence is to be a mailman, it's a meme - yes, but that literally is his job. I'm pretty sure all they canonically did was kill Benny, and deliver the chip, and leave.

[outer iris]

Unless my timeline is wrong

[twin kelp]

No I don’t think so this looks like the one that fought the Dead Sea dude

[blissful iron]

That's still within lazy bum territory compared to the other West Coast protags.

[outer iris]

Ig deathclaws were used really early in the war then

[twin kelp]

That’s stupid that would mean Bethesda would create their own new ending which is stupid

[broken swallow]

The Alaskan front lasted 10 years, so anything is possible.

[real shuttle]

I'd honestly be ok with this.

[twin kelp]

I would genuinely hate Bethesda if they did that because it would show they truly are butt hurt obsidian could make a better fallout game then they ever could

[opal tiger]

The West Coast protagonists never had the amount of freedom the Courier did. Their journeys were linear. Same with the East. It was easier to choose what ending was canon. In FNV there's too many.

[shrewd grotto]

Would people be pissed off or happy if Mr House is still alive?

[twin kelp]

Idrc I just want an ending from the games not some new shit

[drifting kiln]

I think it's backup digitised Mr house

[lusty ruin]

i am noticing none of the trailer shows the Bos civil war after these 4 eps i think?

[real shuttle]

But on the flip side, you can do that and therefore not have to canonise a courier, and instead base the show on already existing characters.

[opal tiger]

Which is exactly why I kept saying the Fog Of War approach was PR speak. It wasn't literal.

[lusty ruin]

the last scene of bos in any trailer is the airship crashing down, which we have now seen

[drifting kiln]

I think he scanned his brain and maybe this is a backup of his original body plan

[twin kelp]

I’d rather they just canonize an ending

[lusty ruin]

also still yet to see this

[real shuttle]

They still can, and still do that

[outer iris]

They need to stop being wary and just pick an ending, other series like elder scrolls can do it but when fallout does the community gets all pissy

[broken swallow]

lol did they really hype this up for 3 episodes just to conclude it halfway through the season?

[twin kelp]

I remeber you saying something like tat before fuck new Vegas fans gotta ruin it for the rest of us I’m a die hard fan but I’m not a total loser about it

[opal tiger]

What do you mean??

[lusty ruin]

"Well then, you're gonna need friends. There's a war coming"

[twin kelp]

Exactly bro it sucks

[twin kelp]

Said gorris

[drifting kiln]

Well if you are going by seeing character PoV then we won't see anymore BoS as Maximus goes to the NCR

[twin kelp]

It’s prolly a random super mutant but we can always hope

[lusty ruin]

war with, ncr, bos, or legion

[opal tiger]

Everything they've done narratively was to avoid canonising the Courier. If they wanted to make the Courier canon, they would have. The only thing we've gotten confirmation of consistently was upgraded securitrons. That's literally it.

[lusty ruin]

yeah that's what i mean, will we see much of BoS now that our cast is not in it

[twin kelp]

Isn’t he already technically canon how would he not be?

[opal tiger]

He's canon in the sense that he did his initial job, not canon that he chose a Faction to side with.

[twin kelp]

That’s stupid

[blissful iron]

Could it have killed them to at least have a few vague 'round the campfire kinda allusions to the Courier? Think Burned Man, but more fantastical yet conflicting.

[broken swallow]

Not that it matters anymore

[twin kelp]

I wanna know what the goat did I wanna know if he was an NCR fanboy or went gambling on the strip for yes man

[drifting kiln]

It's clear he did deliver the chip to Mr House and potentially the securitron bunker as they are upgraded

[twin kelp]

Exactly HE BETTER BE MENTIONED BY house or ima be pissed

I just want him to be mentioned that’s all I care about and maybe which side he took

[blissful iron]

House alluding to the 'last individual who came here' would be sufficient.

[dull urchin]

i think the show is pointing towards a 4 (?) way battle to retake the strip, between the NCR, khans, legion and house (?)

[opal tiger]

Yeah that's my point. But it's not clear he stayed with House after. The only thing we know is that they were definitely upgraded.

[twin kelp]

Nah he needs to say courier

[drifting kiln]

Yeah

[twin kelp]

Like how they specified it was elder maxson form the commonwealth

[lusty ruin]

"i had a courier deliver me a chip to upgrade my securitrons"

[opal tiger]

Maybe, but people were reading way too deep into the Camp MacCarran post credits stuff, which isn't canon either. The showrunners said key art isn't like that.

[drifting kiln]

Yosemite Elder was a badass

[lusty ruin]

hope she lived

[drifting kiln]

Coronado Elder deserved what he got

[twin kelp]

I want that like he explains the backstory of Vegas since The ghoul was last there and the events leading up to the spot it is now like how the death claws came abt etc

[opal tiger]

Quintus lost his airship. The other Chapters didn't. Quintus's chapter had theirs over Area 51.

[shrewd grotto]

I wonder who destroyed all the securitrons in the strip, especially considering they were upgraded?

[twin kelp]

She’s a fat fuck I bet she would get shit on if they had distance

[blissful iron]

Meanwhile Lost Hills is off doing God knows what.

[lusty ruin]

what?

[drifting kiln]

Wtf dude

[twin kelp]

She’s not very athletic looking

[lusty ruin]

what was that necessary?

[opal tiger]

💀

[dull urchin]

"The protagonist of Fallout: New Vegas Courier 6, was the one who delivered me the platinum chip to upgrade my securitrons." - Robert House

[twin kelp]

My bad slimes

[exotic stone]

Future Enterprise Ventures. FEV.

That isn't ominous!!

[lusty ruin]

what

[twin kelp]

Did anyone notice if the other airships shot at each other

[fresh garnet]

Boooo don’t be a shitty person yo

[lusty ruin]

they did

[twin kelp]

Why would they all go at each other like that lmao there so dumb

[blissful iron]

You were expecting a shred of intelligence from these idiots? I swear, they make Fantastic look like Einstein.

[drifting kiln]

They're scared and have tensions bubbling over

[twin kelp]

He was Einstein don’t ever disrespect my goat like that

[drifting kiln]

It's not inconceivable

[blissful iron]

At this rate, Maxson doesn't need to send forces to stomp on the West Coast; they're practically doing his job for him in that regard.

[opal tiger]

I explained this before but, it's because they turned on Quintus and wanted favor with the Commonwealth. Which reinforces all my previous statements on the Commonwealth being powerful enough 1 mere fucking liaison showing up cause their ENTIRE alliance to crumble and kill each other afterwards.

[opal tiger]

Yup. I said Xander's presence was meant to sow dissent between them, and that's exactly what happened.

[twin kelp]

Bro was a racist POS to be ain’t even do anything intimidating

[opal tiger]

You can feel that way, doesn't change the fact they were all starting to gather up to him to win over favor with the Commonwealth.

[shrewd grotto]

I mean with an infinite supply of fusion cores surely they could have kicked the commonwealth's ass?

[opal tiger]

Not in the slightest.

It gives them an advantage, but that's all.

[exotic stone]

Not when the Commonwealth has Liberty Prime.

[twin kelp]

Ik they were all lowkey suck ups they acting as if the day before the weren’t agreeing to a rebellion

[shrewd grotto]

Ah yeah I forgot about liberty prime

[opal tiger]

Opportunists more like. They saw an opportunity to possibly gain power, but they didn't expect the East to be onto them so quick, which meant that the Commonwealth knew.

[opal tiger]

Commonwealth has more territory, more men, more tech, more chapters, the East is unfortunately a powerhouse so.

[exotic stone]

Everyone does.

Not easy to take out unless you have the Hercules-Bradly Orbital Station, which isn't an option anymore.

[twin kelp]

What abt archemedies

[exotic stone]

And battle hardened from the Enclave, Super Mutants, cleaning up The Pitt, the Institute, and various other factors.

[opal tiger]

It was a PA discussion, that's why I pinged you. Lmao

[exotic stone]

Only one hand-held trigger (Euclids C-Finder) and it takes 24 hours to recharge.

[opal tiger]

Yeah, realistically. Another powerhouse needs to rival them overall. Possibly the Enclave or a different faction.

[twin kelp]

What abr the thing Ulyesses gives you to shoot nukes at enemies in lonesome road

[blissful iron]

Enclave popping off out East would certainly be in line with what Xander was talking about.

[opal tiger]

If the Courier didn't side with a Faction, odds are Archimedes never became operational.

[twin kelp]

Send me in

[opal tiger]

That's IF Xander wasn't lying. I'm still betting on the fact he was.

[blissful iron]

True, I'm just accounting for if he wasn't.

[sage pagoda]

HOLY MOLY GUYS

[opal tiger]

The only Faction I can see actively rivaling the BOS East is the Enclave using more guerilla tactics to weaken the Commonwealth.

[exotic stone]

Only if you aren't killed off and if you get a good angle on his backback nukes.

[twin kelp]

Or maybe the minutemen are putting up a fight

[dull urchin]

we don't really know how powerful the enclave is right now

[twin kelp]

It’s still possible the minutemen won we don’t know yet

[opal tiger]

I wouldn't bet on it because of how heavily they rely on the sole Survivor and out of every Faction they're the most barebones.

[shrewd grotto]

The British will come over to save the day!

[sage pagoda]

Steph is a canadian. I wonder how many Americans she might have killed

[exotic stone]

The Enclave may still be in Cheyenne Mountain complex.

[opal tiger]

Possibly, they also have the facility from Season 1 which is fucking massive.

And has been under their complete control for 200+ years

[dull urchin]

they had a fairly well maintained base and a train system that presumably goes to other bases

[opal tiger]

Yeah, that's what it looked like.

[exotic stone]

And they'd learned from the mistakes at the oil rig and in the DC region.

[open rampart]

Imagine they don’t explain what happened to the kings

[opal tiger]

Not only that, the facility existed pre-war. Which means it's the Original Enclave there.

[opal tiger]

Man, they killed the King.

[exotic stone]

Maybe a backup of the group from the oil rig and DC.

[shrewd grotto]

I don't feel like they will explain, it feels like they were just a cameo really

[twin kelp]

I would be pissed

[open rampart]

While he was running away

“They’re just ghouls” makes me happy tho

[opal tiger]

Like I said 99% of the FNV stuff will be a cameo.

[opal tiger]

Addicted Lucy is the best so far. Lmao

[shrewd grotto]

Oh yeah I didn't even think about the fact he was running away

[opal tiger]

Yeah, he was.

[dull urchin]

Max killed a bunch of ferals too

[exotic stone]

Feral Ghouls are a problem and need to be taken out.

Non-Feral Ghouls, especially pre-war, can be a good way to tell pre-war stories.

[real shuttle]

Yeah ghouls are a vital link narratively

[opal tiger]

|| I'm still convinced given season 3 is gonna focus on Fallout 5 to build the narrative and foundation for it. That's where all the NCR stuff is gonna be. ||
I think this episode really did just solidify that the NCR completely pulled out of the Mojave and left a bunch of stuff behind.

Especially considering the NCR rangers when they moved admitted they can't take all that equipment behind.
I'm more of the thought that the Vegas Finale is gonna be Freeside, mutants, ghoul, max, thaddeus - all against the Deathclaws, cause we know there is multiple of them in the Strip.

[blissful iron]

Still, what exactly would get the fellas in Freeside to go jump the Deathclaws?

[high latch]

Okay so Maxson is alive which has concerning implications for the brotherhood as a whole

[opal tiger]

Retaking what probably used to be their home? We can tell Freeside expanded, and has grown A LOT.

[atomic grail]

Soooooooo....

[outer iris]

The king

[opal tiger]

He gone.

[atomic grail]

Rest in Peace, King.

[steady night]

F in chat for Da King, momma 🙁

[outer iris]

Killed with complete disregard and a quip from lucy too

[exotic stone]

What are the odds the Deathclaw at the end of the episode is the same one from Alaska?

[high latch]

Nonexistent

[atomic grail]

So, it's very much clear that the Legion attacked Camp McCarran.

[outer iris]

Literally none lmao

[opal tiger]

I'm still convinced, like I said earlier when the episode launched.
That someone put those fucking Deathclaws there, and the destroyed Securitrons were also missing their rocket pods, which meant they were fighting back against whoever.

[opal tiger]

None. The Alaska one just existed to showcase Coop's fear and PTSD of them.

[high latch]

Cooper mentions the radiation too

[opal tiger]

It's not canon mate.

None of the post-credit art is canon. The showrunners said that. It's just key art.

[outer iris]

Wasnt the rad bomb a thing from the omerta/legion thing ingame

[opal tiger]

Otherwise, where tf is my RobCo silo from last episode???? That wasn't here.

[high latch]

The legion deployed one and the omertas had a plan to deploy a chemical weapon on the strip too

[blissful iron]

Yeah, what's the point of those post-credit art pieces if they don't factor into future events?

[opal tiger]

It's key art, that's all it is.

[outer iris]

Lmao i remember in episode 1 i was bringing up the insane teleportation and travel through the map and people were saying “well they’re going to primm because the post creds showed it!”

[opal tiger]

None of the post-credit art has given hints in any of the episodes accurately. Which lines up with what the showrunners said. Otherwise we would've been in primm right now, otherwise we would've had ultra luxe members at a robco silo. lol

None of the post-credit stuff is canon at all.

[atomic grail]

But it's very much apparent that the NCR pulled out.

[hollow crypt]

I think my biggest pet peeve with the show is that the creators are insisting on continuing the stories of factions from the previous games despite it being abundantly clear that they don't care about them.

[high latch]

I wonder how Dane will react when Maximus tells him what the 'right thing' he did is

[opal tiger]

Yeah, they do subtle teases, but it's not concrete or something to narratively build off of.

[hollow crypt]

To the point where I wonder if it was mandated by the studio that the show takes place in familiar locations.

[opal tiger]

Yeah, I had been assuming this since we first saw the Rangers.

[high latch]

I doubt that, albeit the writing seems to have gotten a bit weaker in the last few episodes for whatever reason

[atomic grail]

I also said this in my theory.

[hollow crypt]

This show is not about the NCR.
Or The Legion.
Or New Vegas.
It's about Lucy, The Ghoul and Maximus.

[outer iris]

Dane boutta thirdwheel the max and thad bro-venture

[fresh garnet]

I do think you're pretty spot on with the speculative focus of S3 / FO5.

||Gotta get NCR up and thriving in SF before the game ||

[hollow crypt]

You can change the location to literally anywhere without changing the plot.

[high latch]

The NCR also being fairly important to two of their arcs

[opal tiger]

Yeah of course, we knew this going into this season though. It was never about FNV, New Vegas was just the location. The narrative focus is on the 3 protagonists.

[atomic grail]

We just like to talk about other things.

[hollow crypt]

I just don't feel like the show is utilizing the setting very well.

[opal tiger]

|| I'll bet my entire savings on it, the NCR stuff will be developed in season 3, for sure. Because they need to if Fallout 5 is in the West, so they're saving the biggest stuff and reveals for then. ||

[high latch]

The plot seems to relate to house so they really couldn't move it too much

[hollow crypt]

It could've taken place in Cleveland where the nefarious Vault Tec has nuked the capital of New Ohio Khaganate and no one would've complained.

[opal tiger]

House isn't in Cleveland, and Coop didn't visit there.
Again, the setting is relevant to the protagonists, not the other way around.

Which means the factions aren't the 100% priority.

[atomic grail]

We could try to negotiate but Bethesda would just nuke us.

[outer iris]

The setting and factions are simply plot devices for the big three

[opal tiger]

We're already half way done with the season, and zero mention of the Courier.

[lusty ruin]

Todd said to Obsidian, don't touch SanFran
Todd said to the show runners, don't touch SanFran....

[hollow crypt]

Yeah that's what's bothering me.

[high latch]

Which is how it should be

[opal tiger]

🙂

[outer iris]

Its similar to the good bad and ugly where the union and confederacy is there but acts as a plot device

[opal tiger]

I agree, 100%.

[atomic grail]

NCR is holding San Francisco.

[lusty ruin]

15 years later, he still wants San Francisco untouched

[lusty ruin]

well noo? we don't know, it's Shi atleast in fo2

[high latch]

San Francisco has the shi, NCR holding it especially now would be suspect

[outer iris]

Its how tv shows are, especially ones that take inspiration from westerns

[opal tiger]

No but || San Fran is probably the location for Fallout 5, which means Season 3 will be NCR focused cause they have to build the political landscape for the setting of their next game. ||

[hollow crypt]

I get why they did it but it doesn't mean I have to like it.

[opal tiger]

TV shows are like this, though, plus it's been 15 years. A lot can happen in that time especially in Fallout, more than most other settings.

[hollow crypt]

Yeah, a lot can happen, but the only thing that seems to happen in the show is "everybody died or/and got turned into ferals".

[sage pagoda]

Steph is now one of my favorite character

[hollow crypt]

That's just not very interesting.

[dull urchin]

how was the U.S losing at anchorage when the chinese didn't have power armor yet

[opal tiger]

Factions are still present, the Mojave is in chaos, which would be on par if they're not choosing an ending.

[outer iris]

Because power armor isnt a tank lmao

[daring yoke]

at least not in the show

[outer iris]

It was effective yes but not completely game changing

[opal tiger]

I said it from the get-go, the Fog of War approach is PR speak. They were saying that so they didn't catch flak, they're not gonna choose a proper ending. At best they'll make their own.

[dull urchin]

i wonder if they purposefully sent few troops to anchorage just to test the deathclaws

[high latch]

Gauss rifles, stealth armor, potentially robotics
Power armor also had a rocky launch in Alaska

[broken swallow]

T-51 won the battle tho.

[outer iris]

No, it was never a tank, power armor is a weapons carrying platform

[outer iris]

Yes, because it gave grunts the ability to carry big guns, but it wasn’t the sole reason

[opal tiger]

Technically it's not Anchorage, it is the Alaskan front, so it was the islands, but they probably dropped the Deathclaws on the island to field test them.

[sage pagoda]

They weren't. It was a hard hit only, sometimes they progressed a little but ultimately lost

[daring yoke]

because they drive that thing like a fucking shopping cart

[broken swallow]

It was a stalemate for 10 years, and as soon as T-51 is deployed, they win. That sounds like a sole reason to me

[dull urchin]

the t-51 is so awesome

[outer iris]

Probably because china was barely holding on as is lmao

T-51 was just that little push along with everything else

[exotic stone]

And Liberty Prime was slated to go, but the power source was a problem with the weapon systems.

All he could do was stomp around and not use his laser nor nukes.

[outer iris]

Regardless power armor is quite vulnerable without combined arms support, which the US army excels at

The sheer military industrial might by the beginning of the great war for the US was insane

[broken swallow]

That’s what Assaultrons, Sentry Bots and Mr Gutsy is for

[outer iris]

All huge targets without air support or artillery

[twin kelp]

Honestly just drop the whole season atp

[opal tiger]

lol

[outer iris]

Sentry bots mustve been insane at close range though

[sage pagoda]

We complain but that's building a lot of hype. Especially for the remakes

[outer iris]

As were assaultrons, would not wanna be chinese against that lmao

[opal tiger]

Dragoons in shambles.

[sage pagoda]

Their tanks were effective against that iirc. But I don't know they launched the robots there

[opal tiger]

Temper expectations.
Understand media literacy.

[broken swallow]

It would have been so badass had Coops armor been disabled by a stealth Chinese sniper, who reveals herself out of thin air above him, then gets minced

[sage pagoda]

And we are also talking a lot here lol

[blissful iron]

At this point, 'media literacy' feels like another buzzword thrown around.

[lusty ruin]

and tourist

[opal tiger]

Not really, it's understanding what's realistic to be added into a TV show - and how games translate to it.
Expecting all of FNV to be added into the show, was never gonna happen in an 8 episode series.

[broken swallow]

Lmao

[sage pagoda]

The deathclaw scene was so cool

[opal tiger]

Very interesting that it was a matriarch. I'm wondering what the others'll be if we'll see a Mythic, or Alpha alongside it, or if it'll just be regular ones.

[sage pagoda]

The practical effects are the chef kiss

[lusty ruin]

oh yea, deathclaw eggs

[jade zephyr]

Wow

[opal tiger]

I'm glad they went with the FO4 design for them tbh.

[sage pagoda]

The "I prefer FNV design" crowd are really quiet after that deathclaw scenes lol

[steady night]

People who actually use tourist seriously really are like these two characters lol

[opal tiger]

TRUE.

[steady night]

Ajax
I love you man

You are one of the good Brotherhood guys

Along with Magnus

[opal tiger]

I think the FNV designs are good, but to showcase how beefy/powerful Deathclaws are FO4's i think would be the better design choice.

[broken swallow]

Nah. There ironically a lot of people who are getting into fallout who wouldn’t have a clue in the world about anything discussed here, and think everything is fine.

Tourists

[sage pagoda]

I love their face design. It's so terrifying

[steady night]

Yeah and that's not bad
Thing is - there's people out there that actually want to use that and its word as an insult

[sage pagoda]

And they are more happy lol

[broken swallow]

Ignorance is bliss I guess.

[sage pagoda]

I've seen people on twitter beefing about almost everything in the show

[steady night]

Just let people enjoy things how they want to enjoy them
As long as they don't hurt anyone who cares lmao

[opal tiger]

I think what got me was the Deathclaws standing up, lmao I'm ngl that did catch me off guard

[sage pagoda]

I love when they do that

[broken swallow]

This is repeated fucking everywhere. Yeah it’s true, but a lot of people just love to hop into discussion and formulate opinions despite 76 and the show being their only clue. That is annoying and does mess with people.

[steady night]

Ok yeah no that's another thing
Just bite the bullet when you don't know about stuff and say "idk"

[twin kelp]

What r we talking abt

[opal tiger]

I'm genuinely curious, and I know I pointed it out before. But I do think whoever brought in the Deathclaws, also irradiated the Kings. The big thing that I noticed was the Ghoul talking about the radiation going off when he got near the eggs.

[sage pagoda]

76 is canon anyway so they wouldn't be wrong about quoting it

[opal tiger]

People are just butthurt, it is what it is.

[broken swallow]

Yeah but a 76 fan trying to quote on a NV fan about the show is stupid.

[sage pagoda]

I really wanna know who sabotaged there

[sage pagoda]

What's the difference? They are both fans lol

[rocky monolith]

If your only experience with the Fallout series is through the TV show your opinion on the Fallout games doesn’t really matter and this shouldn’t be a controversial opinion

[twin kelp]

Hope my boy Rex is okay

[opal tiger]

I think he will be, I like to think Rex was in Jacobstown getting surgery.

[broken swallow]

Well the difference is one would actually know about the setting and have the knowledge to formulate an opinion that isn’t just “consume”

[twin kelp]

I started with the show and since then there hasn’t been a day of my life that I haven’t played a fallout game for atleast 30 mins

[steady night]

I started with Shelter

[sage pagoda]

If they are not knowing about the settings isn't because they played 76, it's because they didn't play FNV

[broken swallow]

If someone who didn’t play NV tried to lecture me on what should and shouldn’t be in the show, I’d laugh at them.

[simple rampart]

Oh god I know what’s gonna happen 😆
Lucy’s brothers groups gonna take over new vegas aren’t they

[rocky monolith]

I’m talking about people who only watched the show.

[sage pagoda]

If you willing to play 76 you should do it now cuz of the mutated event

[twin kelp]

I’ve played every game lmao

[opal tiger]

Or horribly get involved with Vault Tec's FEV program they had running, either or lol

[steady night]

Here's a better idea
Why not just ignore them

[whole monolith]

[sage pagoda]

Go farm the event then you play the others. Mutated week is hella good and gives a lot of items

[opal tiger]

They can't, lol

[twin kelp]

Your confused I’ve already played every fallout game

[broken swallow]

It’s hard when they’re fucking everywhere.

[twin kelp]

I am on a nv playthrough rn

[rocky monolith]

Who’s worse? NV purists or Bethesda-slop eaters

[sage pagoda]

You could be replaying it now lol

[broken swallow]

That’s a hard one for sure lmao

[steady night]

Then just get out the internet for a sec

Fresh air is good

[opal tiger]

The factory unironically was a lot farther away than I initially thought they were going to put it. lol

[sage pagoda]

Both. We should just agree that every game has it flaws and yet it's fun to play

[twin kelp]

I’m good

[opal tiger]

They're both fans, the issue is people who idolize either side, and view each other as opposition.

[broken swallow]

Go play Brotherhood of Steel and tell me again we should all hold hands and agree all of Fallout is fun to play.

[whole monolith]

Lol Lucy needs some addictol

[sage pagoda]

Uhm.......well it's something there

[opal tiger]

Nah, she needs more buffout, for sure.

[steady night]

His point is still standing don't try to cherrypick now lol

[rapid dock]

deathclaw in the intro was peak

dont care if it doesnt make sense yet. they'll make it make sense

[broken swallow]

His point being every game is fun, which is subjectively false. You can’t just make a blanket statement like that.

[rocky monolith]

That sequence was great. I love Pre-War Fallout

[opal tiger]

There's more coming for sure.
It makes sense since Deathclaw are pre-war but.

[sage pagoda]

If you don't think it's fun doesn't that isn't fun for everyone else

[rapid dock]

the chinese uniforms were perfect tbh

[opal tiger]

People forget that it was in the Alaskan front, not Anchorage, which the Alaskan front included the obscure islands, too.

[rocky monolith]

Deathclaws were pre-war, so it does make sense

[broken swallow]

That works both ways. Just because you think it’s fun, doesn’t mean everyone else does.

[steady night]

Notice you said subjectively
Because literally it depends from person to person

[frank widget]

so every brotherhood chapter besides the commonwealth just wiped eachother out...?

[rapid dock]

deathclaws gonna become the new Supermutant in terms of origins

[opal tiger]

Nah their origins were always pre-war. lol

[rocky monolith]

So were the Chinese Assualt Rifles. Man I really do miss good looking Fallout Guns

[sage pagoda]

All main fallout games are playable, are on stores and a ton of people play it. FO4 hit 40k this week. Can you point me some reason for why some of the games wouldn't be fun?

[rapid dock]

not alaskan though

[opal tiger]

No, a lot of brotherhood chapters never showed up to Quintus's meeting.

[rapid dock]

no. quintus just invited the ones he thought would be on board. which is the 3 we saw

[sage pagoda]

They were weapons lol. Why not use it on a place u are waging war?

[broken swallow]

The grind involved with 76 is a big reason for some.

[rocky monolith]

They were made to be deployed in battle. It would be weird if they were just dropped in Nebraska instead of a actual battlefield

[opal tiger]

It probably was an obscure WestTek test run. Meaning it wasn't cleared by the Military. the Deathclaw were weapons.

[frank widget]

oooh okay okay

[sage pagoda]

Then don't play. 76 it's not that grindy. The resource farm is exactly the same as in 4, in fact even better. I had a couple of newbies under my wing, helping them couple years ago and all of them still play it

[frank widget]

76 grind is really not even bad lol

[sage pagoda]

The same could be said about FNV if u wanna use that argument. The path to the strip is A PAIN IN THE ASS and not very fun

[hollow yew]

So, Steph was Canadian?
That was strange.

[rapid dock]

the resource farm in 76 is harder made by the fact that you cant do most of the settlement stuff like supply lines and shops, etc

[solar wave]

dude, what the fuck happened after the game

[frank widget]

life

[opal tiger]

It isn't that bad. Genuinely. It was worse back in the day when we didn't have a lot of the storage space we had now.

[solar wave]

the strip is irradiated? theres a DEATHCLAW NESTING IN THERE?

[sage pagoda]

If u have a loot perk that's like 1 or 2 slots it's very easy

[opal tiger]

15 years of chaos.

[sage pagoda]

Real

[opal tiger]

I'm convinced someone sabotaged the strip, tbh. I'll die on that hill.

[high latch]

Multiple
Probably sabotage

[frank widget]

i js thought that the dad fucked everything up

[hollow yew]

That was hell of the opening scene.

[opal tiger]

The fact the securitrons were upgraded and they still lost is super telling, the Deathclaws were hella irradiated too, the Ghoul points out.

[broken swallow]

Vault Tec hiring a Canadian is strange.

[opal tiger]

No, it was before Hank showed up.

[solar wave]

also yeah its so strange that steph is canadian

[frank widget]

oooh

[opal tiger]

She's probably a spy.

[solar wave]

a canadian spy?

[sage pagoda]

He could used an spawner lol

[opal tiger]

Or a commie, we don't know yet. Her ID was temporary.

[rapid dock]

"vault tec hiring someone from a US state is strange"

[broken swallow]

I don’t think Canada was a state.

[solar wave]

we still didnt get that shot of the NCR soldiers by that bridge

[opal tiger]

It was annexed by the U.S.

[rapid dock]

not yet, but had the war not ended with nukes, it wouldve become a state probably

[solar wave]

also maaaaan

[opal tiger]

Yeah it was a U.S. Territory, in the process of eventually becoming one.

[solar wave]

the king didnt deserve to get shot in the head by drug addict lucy

feels bad

but it is funny to see the contrast between her and the ghoul now

[frank widget]

its kinda sad ig how the Kings just became ghouls and died

[solar wave]

i think thats the first time we've ever seen ghoul coop legitimately scared

[opal tiger]

he had ptsd from Alaskan front, i don't blame him.

[solar wave]

yeah what the fuck

[opal tiger]

That deathclaw was literally mouth-breathing inches away from his face. lol

[solar wave]

the american government had deathclaws out at anchorage thats fucking insane

[broken swallow]

It left him alone tho. Deathclaws understand who is and isn’t Chinese lmao.

[opal tiger]

WestTek was definitely field testing Deathclaws, someone pointed out too that it's possible the Deathclaw's could tell the scent between chinese and american

[steady night]

Pre-War Deathclaws were racist???!1?1!1!1!?

[solar wave]

oh, so not only did we horribly mutate and experiment on the jackson's chameleon

we also taught it how to be racist

[whole monolith]

Rip kings

[opal tiger]

If you make an animal into a weapon, you wanna make sure it knows it's enemies and allies. 😉

[torn furnace]

just saw the show and the ending slide and holy fucking shit NCR tanks

[opal tiger]

It's not canonnnnn don't get caught up in that, lmao

[torn furnace]

fuck

[late orchid]

i know we already knew vegas was abandoned but bethesda is not making it easy to defend against the whole" bethesaa wants fallout to be a constant wasteland! they hate the world progressing!"

[opal tiger]

It's cool key art though. lol

[rapid dock]

the credit sequences arent canon

theyre just artistic renditions

[broken swallow]

Yeah some poor VFX artist is getting shafted that all their work is just speculative end credits backdrop.

[opal tiger]

This ^

[torn furnace]

[opal tiger]

They know their work was art going into it, im sure they loved doing it, as most of them do.

[solar wave]

speaking of the ncr, i still cant tell if those remnants are delusional from being in vegas for so long or the NCR is really still able to field a fighting force or not

[broken swallow]

I doubt they were told the story and if there art meant anything.

[opal tiger]

I'm almost 99% you are told what your art will be used for.

You're not given explicit details, but you are told it's use.

[solar wave]

the interpretation ive read that i like the most is that post shady sands and the failure of the mojave campaign, the NCR member states just went back to being nominally independent

[upbeat rock]

@short bobcat

[rapid dock]

both i bet

the NCR isnt crippled, theres still the entire northern half of California they inhabit

[late orchid]

i still think its insane that they actually did the fucking fridge bit with maximus but unironically (i know it wasnt this episode)

[short bobcat]

The NCR stands

[opal tiger]

I think they could've lost track of time. But in the Mojave, i mentioned it in the past episodes, they 100% pulled majority if not almost all their forces outside of the Mojave. the NCR present there, are folks who got left behind.

[broken swallow]

They do. Just way over there away from anything important.

[short bobcat]

Bethesda doesnt deserve to have fallout

The show is a mistake. and i treat it noncanon

[broken swallow]

We knew that when they decided to scrap Van buren for 3.

[rapid dock]

interplay and black isle were ruining the franchise harder than people what to believe

theres a reason interplay and black isle dont exist anymore dude

[torn furnace]

war war never changes and even with obsidian the NCR would have fell

they had big issues

[short bobcat]

I agree but bethesda isnt the solution

[rapid dock]

MY BOY

[opal tiger]

Yeah, the hill people choose to die on defending Interplay and Black Isle, even when Tim Cain admits they had no idea what they were doing is crazy. lol

[torn furnace]

bethesda is better then the rest

[short bobcat]

3 Was def good but van buren would have broken lore too so it would have been good butt

[sage pagoda]

I think people are being sensible. In my view Mojave was faded to fail. There's too much power play and conflict and other dangers. Commonwealth and Capital should be fine ig

[opal tiger]

I wanna find out who did that to the King.

[rapid dock]

and who is?

at least bethesda cares.

most other devs wouldve turned fallout into something its not had they gotten their hands on it.

like imagine how bad the franchise would be if like... activision got their hands on it

[short bobcat]

Bethesda already ruined fallout

[torn furnace]

interplay already did

[opal tiger]

This, this was always my belief when I played through FNV. Especially when you actively pay attention to every NPC's dialogue, they all talk about their factions struggling to a large extent.

[late orchid]

also the multiple prydwens is dumb

[short bobcat]

They totally should have given fallout to me fr fr

[blissful iron]

In which case, what was the point of NV then if it all goes to pot at most one year later after Hoover Dam?

[torn furnace]

the prydwen is seen pre war

[rapid dock]

how?

by making the franchise popular?

raising it from the ashes that interplay buried it under with Tactics and BOS

[broken swallow]

You mean like turning a post post apocalyptic RPG into a modern base building looter shooter mmo? lol

[torn furnace]

2nd ep i think

[rapid dock]

the airships are prewar and an Interplay idea

[late orchid]

not a good thing

[sage pagoda]

The game need to have a climax point and yet it all can be undone by post actions by other people

[opal tiger]

Zeppelins were pre-war. They always were. The Brotherhood did not invent Zeppelins. lol

[torn furnace]

i know

[short bobcat]

I would have preferred it stay unpopular.

[rapid dock]

"base building looter shooter"

and the base building is optional and every rpg involves looting and shooting

[broken swallow]

Okay but in 4 we are led to believe they took years to design and build the Prydwhen.

[torn furnace]

also the BOS seems at its strongest right now or well a few years ago so it likely isnt a shock they could make more aireships

[late orchid]

I feel like they made them pre-war just so the brotherhood would be able to have more

[rapid dock]

fallout is not even close to a "Looter Shooter"

[short bobcat]

@opal tiger @sage pagoda unfunny btw

[rapid dock]

its still an RPG at its core.

[sage pagoda]

Ok bro

[onyx grove]

my current case of delusion cola is that the NCR will reemerge by the end of the season. there's too many instances of the NCR being mentioned and seen as a beacon of hope post-NV even if they've dissolved

[short bobcat]

Quiet your faction is literally dead and protects toasters

[steady night]

I think what they are trying to say is that they were joking

[sage pagoda]

And urs are alive?? LMAO

[onyx grove]

respect the Railroad this instant

[late orchid]

holy larp

[short bobcat]

The Arroyo government will return with vault city and new reno and the shis help to merc the BOS

[sage pagoda]

We like to larp here. It's kinda fun

[unborn nimbus]

Weren't Asian Americans fairly common in fallout prewar US?

[torn furnace]

clear insanity

[rapid dock]

the ncr isnt gone??

you understand they have the ENTIRE northern half of california under their control right

[short bobcat]

Railroad canonically dies btw

[blissful iron]

Arroyo being the NCR's new capital would be a dream to see.

[late orchid]

-# Its unclear if the writers do though

[torn furnace]

no proof of that

[onyx grove]

not in my lockeroom

[broken swallow]

You wouldn’t know this just watching the show tho. That’s the problem.

[sage pagoda]

Where's their gold anyway? One blow from the BoS and they are gone

[short bobcat]

BOS/Minutemen endings are canon due to prdwyen being a thing.

[torn furnace]

ok and you dont have to kill the railroad in the minutemen endings

[rapid dock]

we have only seen southern californias NCR.

and none of the charaters know about Northern NCR.

so ofc they would beleve the NCR is gone. they cant confirm it

[sage pagoda]

Even tho I like the railroad. The BoS ending for the canon is waaay better

[opal tiger]

I'm aware, but idk - use a little bit of sense? It's not impossible to assume that within his contacts with the Western Chapters the Commonwealth communicated in sharing schematics of how to do it. 9 years is enough time to build an airship. It took less than that to build the Prydwen.

[short bobcat]

LMAO YOU THINK THE BOS AND THEIR 12 AIRSHIPS CAN DEFEAT THE HALF OF A MODERNIZED NATION ANGERED TO FIGHT THEM

[sage pagoda]

Yes

[foggy apex]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh

[frank widget]

yes

[sage pagoda]

Liberty prime broda

[torn furnace]

also by what was said in the 3rd ep the east coast BOS aint doing well

[foggy apex]

I lived for the day we’d see deathclaws irl

[onyx grove]

please Todd i need this

[opal tiger]

They looked really, REALLY good.

[sage pagoda]

We are here for thattt

[frank widget]

i think the deathclaw was way too bulky ngl

[short bobcat]

OK HERE: BOS HAS SAY 1M PA/SCRIBES THATS GENERIOUS. AND 1 LIBERTY PRIME. THE NCR HAS ABT 13M PEOPLE (ESTIMATE

[broken swallow]

I don’t care how the west got the Prydwhen plans. I just hate how it’s a Pre-war design and they just copied it, instead of what we believed to be raw brotherhood ingenuity and intelligence.

[foggy apex]

Yo, that egg means a morherfucking matriarch is there

[blissful iron]

What're the odds the EC BoS gets given the NCR treatment where the Capital Wasteland is flattened by a nuke?

[rancid pine]

well he ate all neww vegas

[sage pagoda]

They do?

[frank widget]

good point

[short bobcat]

OK HERE: BOS HAS SAY 1M PA/SCRIBES THATS GENERIOUS. AND 1 LIBERTY PRIME SOME VERTIBIRDS AND PRDYWENS. THE NCR HAS ABT 13M PEOPLE (ESTIMATE) NCR PA NCR RANGERS VERTIBIRDS AND GURELLIA FIGHTERS

[foggy apex]

In comparison to the nv style yeah. Tho that’s clearly non canon now

[robust hill]

Do y'all think all the kings are dead?

[torn furnace]

i dont think the BOS would even reach a million

[short bobcat]

Sadly yes

[foggy apex]

It would be funny af if the courier never killed the matriarch in the mining area

[late orchid]

how did the ghoul and lucy get to new vegas without going through Freeside

[short bobcat]

This supports my arguement btw

[robust hill]

Was that THE king Lucy shot at the end?

[foggy apex]

And that fucked Vegas

[onyx grove]

was looking for somebody who said this. did the Strip get the Camp Searchlight treatment?

[foggy apex]

There can’t be only one egg , so they definitely got bum rushed by the matriarch you can find and her babies

[short bobcat]

I think vegas and freeside were leveled by the battle and have ceased to exist fully

[opal tiger]

If you believed the Brotherhood didn't just copy and make alterations to the Prydwen to support liberty prime's storage, that's on you. The Brotherhood was gasing themselves up. It wasn't more than that. The Prydwen is the first post-war airship, and they wanted to brag about it.

There's literally zero reality where the Brotherhood designed fucking zeppelins of all things. lol Even in tactics, that wasn't the case. It's silly to even think that's what happened.

[blissful iron]

I'm in the 'Lucky 38 reactor went critical/otherwise got Chernobyl'd' camp.

[opal tiger]

No, it didn't. I'm thinking someone lured the Deathclaws in.

[late orchid]

vault-tec

[short bobcat]

Sadly thats prob what bethesda will do

[foggy apex]

Let’s be real, deathclaws even without the enclaves super intelligence buff are super smart for a reptile

[twin kelp]

They are

[foggy apex]

They may genuinely have just grouped up and bum rushed the walls

[mild drift]

fym deathclaws are pre war?

[late orchid]

they are

[twin kelp]

Don’t they just kill for sport aren’t they not even carnivores?

[foggy apex]

Deathclaws have been pre war since 2

[frank widget]

this was known

[short bobcat]

What if lucy meets president kimball and he says "Lucy i am your real father" !!!11!!!!!1!

[foggy apex]

This is literally nearly 3 decade old lore

[mild drift]

has only played fo4 / nv

[onyx grove]

had to be some proper outside interference, bc those securitrons completely emptied their rocket pods😭

[opal tiger]

It's possible, yeah, I have no idea who might've. The radiation comment by the ghoul, then the kings, - the fact there's deathclaw eggs, and multiple deathclaws present seems to me someone orchestrated it. Plus the Securitrons are upgraded, and they used all their rockets in defense.

[broken swallow]

It’s not even the first post war airship either. But whatever. Making the brotherhood a bunch of incompetent posers is stupid, and I will continue to believe they designed the Prydwhen from the ground up using the material they had at Andrew’s AFB.

[foggy apex]

Dirty bomb.?

[short bobcat]

The courier got silly and lured the deathclaws to the strip

[late orchid]

fallouts getting the star wars treatment

[frank widget]

should play the superior fallout 3

[mild drift]

i try

[opal tiger]

Believe whatever headcanon you'd like, idc.

[foggy apex]

Soemthing that would do next to no damage but would irradiate everything within the Vegas limit

[unborn nimbus]

Lucy's dad messing up the strip maybe?

We know he went there

[opal tiger]

No it's clear it happened before Hank got there.

[short bobcat]

The NCR and Kings WILL return

[robust hill]

I'm starting to develop a little more sympathy to people who think this disrespects New Vegas

Like ALL the factions got wiped out? Seriously? You couldn't even keep the funny Elvis people around?

[late orchid]

Quintus talks about the brotherhood drifting away from being the brotherhood and the show shows this

[foggy apex]

Nah the deathclaws have been there for ages by then. I’m thinking dirty bomb or something

[twin kelp]

Should I try and attempt this?

[onyx grove]

yup. US gov experiment with chameleons to supplement infantry up north. once the bombs dropped, the lands became prime real estate

[foggy apex]

Yea

[whole monolith]

Lol deathclaw

[mild drift]

now it makes sense

[twin kelp]

I think with enough stims I can lure all the death claws in quarry junction to Vegas

[broken swallow]

Okay but we’re talking about Fallout 3 in this case

[blissful iron]

Like, maybe Lucy could've had a funny interaction with the Kings where she namedrops Elvis Presley or something.

[frank widget]

i genuinely did not like the idea that every brotherhood chapter has a prydwen

[sage pagoda]

Ingram literally calls it old. It's a pre war ship

[foggy apex]

Lure the mama to the strip

[short bobcat]

This generally spits on new vegases grave and stomps on it. I BET THE COURIER WONT EVEN BE CANON NEXT

[onyx grove]

the NCR will return, where there is delusion, there is hope

[late orchid]

You talked about them being incompetent posers

[short bobcat]

I BET THE COURIER WONT EVEN BE CANON NEXT I BET IT!

[opal tiger]

Deathclaws have always been pre-war, this is not new.

[sage torrent]

Em how did the deathclaw come into nv??
Alsow is there more than 1?
And where is my boy house (your thoughts)

[sage pagoda]

Yeah right, the game happened by a brahmin walking with the chip in it's ass

[frank widget]

theyre not wiped out theyre just doing shit

[unborn nimbus]

Or he's canon but stays dead first 5 seconds of the game

[frank widget]

good 🙏

[foggy apex]

The base ship is definately pre war , but we see different looking ones pre war, it’s been majorly unarmoured and made to mount vertibirds

[short bobcat]

TRUE TRUE

[broken swallow]

That’s what Ajax implied with the BoS not being capable of accomplishing anything unless it’s Pre-war.

[unborn nimbus]

The bullet instead of wiping his memory just killed him outright

[torn furnace]

the courier is likely sitting in big mt doing fuck all

[short bobcat]

76 ISNT A REAL FALLOUT GAME

[opal tiger]

That's not what I said, and super disingenous of what I actually said.

[blissful iron]

Fellas didn't survive the Khans, Brotherhood, Enclave, Legion, their own internal bickering, and God knows what other issues only to get flatlined by some pre-War middle-manager moving like Ulysses.

[foggy apex]

In Vegas there’s literally at least two mother deathclaws with babies and juveniles

[sage pagoda]

Imagine building a flying fortress with post war materials

[torn furnace]

most sane nv fan

[sage torrent]

So nv is just ignored? Non cannon? Since shady whas bombed before battle at hoover damn and now the strip is a dethclaw nest?? And the secerutrons with RPGS codnt stop them..

[robust hill]

Now hold on, just because your favorite characters are given a bad hand doesn't automatically mean that 100%. Do you think George R R Martin disrespected you whenever he did that?

[frank widget]

new vegas is good but i think its perfectly fine for all of the new vegas factions to be in shit

[torn furnace]

it was after the battle

[short bobcat]

the game is fine but everything inside it should be dead.

[foggy apex]

Nv is 81 innit

[rapid dock]

dude yes it is

[torn furnace]

shady sands was blown up after the 2nd battle

[foggy apex]

So the nuke dropped 2 years after nv events

[short bobcat]

idc its fortniteifed fallout

[late orchid]

76 is insanely overhated

[opal tiger]

agreed

[short bobcat]

Deserved hate btw

[late orchid]

Have you played it?

[rapid dock]

your delusions of hatred to a dev that has done nothing but good for a franchise you obviously dont really enjoy dont make it not a good game.

[broken swallow]

It gets about the right amount of hate for what it is. A Black sheep.

[frank widget]

theyre literally not even dead the legion is alive its just in a power struggle
the NCR should be dead btw lol they were already fucked in the actual new vegas

[short bobcat]

Yes and it is good but 76s lore is garbage

[foggy apex]

Inb4 the radiation made these deathclaws smarter and we see the mimicking of voices

[torn furnace]

i mean so is fallout lore

[lusty ruin]

NCR was fucked in Mojave, but not in all of california

[foggy apex]

Goris plz

[opal tiger]

oh god. lol don't put that in my head

[late orchid]

It's honestly better than 4s writing

[short bobcat]

The faction ogfans grew up with through 1 and 2 and fnv deserves to die? And 4 had it mentioned sooo

[rapid dock]

they already do that. Interplay did that already

[foggy apex]

Not in a 2 way, in a ‘oh fuck their luring us in with our friends voices ‘ way

[robust hill]

How could they include the courier though? He was just your self insert and can be whatever you make him into

[foggy apex]

But if goris shows up I will cream myself

[sage torrent]

Hell na💀

[unborn nimbus]

What I see isn't the factions being dead but how nearly all settlements are dead in NV

[late orchid]

Hell ya💀

[short bobcat]

Make him pull up and auarafarm

[late orchid]

4s writing sucks but thats not for this chat

[short bobcat]

Dust is canon 😭😭

[opal tiger]

They can't, and won't. That's the reality people refuse to accept, the courier at BEST might get a slight, tiny mention, but that's even wishful thinking.

[rapid dock]

FO4 10mm

my beloved

[broken swallow]

They wanted a wasteland setting, so they made one by clearing out an already fleshed out location.

[sage pagoda]

76 BoS guest line was pretty solid

[sage torrent]

Whatever you say
Ig we all a bit wierd

[unborn nimbus]

Did Hank wiped out all settlements in NV area? Lol

[twin kelp]

Wazer wifle superiority

[foggy apex]

no he just got there

[short bobcat]

I want the shows set to set onfire and be impossible to flim more slop

[opal tiger]

No mate, shit was fucked on it's own.

[robust hill]

I mean you could go for a "kill everyone" run, to be fair

[torn furnace]

there wasnt a tgon of settlements in the area to begin with

[short bobcat]

im mocking the earlier guy man

[foggy apex]

can we all agree irespective of anything else that t45 and the deathclaw model is fucking beautiful

[frank widget]

lol

[twin kelp]

Khans fucked up novac my hb manny Vargas got slimed as did no bark

[burnt grail]

there were quite a few its just what weve seen in the show pretty much all of them are destroyed / abandoned

[rapid dock]

"heretic"

mf the bos is not a religious cult you dumb cow

i hate quintus man

[foggy apex]

they even made the t45 slimmed down a bit so it looked more 3

[broken swallow]

T-60 fans trembling

[short bobcat]

Goodsprings/novac/primm/nelson/vegas/freeside/eastside/northvegas/more

[sage pagoda]

Courier was the character with less "moral background" they could go have gone for a killer route

[opal tiger]

All the No-Bark headcanons in shambles.

[late orchid]

Well they did have religious aspects in 1

[twin kelp]

Called him his son a few minutes ago

[short bobcat]

It is a technolover cult.

[rapid dock]

legit so happy with this ending for Quintus's chapter

[twin kelp]

Maybe he died of old age or sum he’s the chosen one I swear

[rapid dock]

BARELY

[short bobcat]

They die????

[opal tiger]

LMAO

[foggy apex]

inb4 quintus fucking starves

[lusty ruin]

i mean, his bos. is

[broken swallow]

They have a rank called clerics tho.

[robust hill]

I know?

[torn furnace]

well its been 20 years i think and well the mojave in a far worst state and seems like freeside is still kickinh

[sage torrent]

Minutemen supremacy

[rapid dock]

i mean

[mild drift]

WOOH

[short bobcat]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[opal tiger]

losing their airship was Actually deserved.

[torn furnace]

shit i keep forgotting about north vegas and eastside

[short bobcat]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS (i dont actually watch the show because i dispise it)

[foggy apex]

rip unanmed airship, you existed for 20 mins

[ripe nova]

Is thadeus actually a ghoul?

[sage pagoda]

Yes

[short bobcat]

Eastside will retake all of vegas fr fr

[foggy apex]

unlikely

[late orchid]

transitioning into one

[opal tiger]

I keep forgetting you're only here for attention seeking, smh.

[rapid dock]

and quintus's chapter is heretical to the other chapters. prioritizing religion over technology

[onyx grove]

either that or something worse

[twin kelp]

He is