EPISODE 4

[faint saddle]

My theory is the platinum chip doesn't exist anymore and they've replaced it with the cold fusion being needed by House

[orchid pond]

i know, im just wondering how much of it is, if that makes any sense.

The kings outside the walls turned into ghouls which implies that the area is heavily irradiated

[steady night]

The Legion pulled another Searchlight huh

[blissful iron]

Maybe something caused the Lucky 38's reactor to go critical?

[eternal moth]

but how

[orchid pond]

one doesnt exclude the other, the chip was meant for the securitrons and the cold fusion bit could be tied to future plans for house to not run out of power, for x or y reason.

[faint saddle]

What gate even was that because it was designed to look like the gate inside freeside we see in NV, even has the securitrons by it, just dead now

[orchid pond]

courier nuked everybody confirmed

[blissful iron]

Or heck, maybe Hank deployed a dirty bomb on the Strip to ensure no one followed him?

[steady night]

Avellone is pleased

[faint saddle]

Doesn't work

Hank only got there like a month ago everything has been dead in there for at least 5 years most likely 15

[blissful iron]

Or maybe he sent a mind-controlled fella like with Shady Sands to the Strip with a caravan containing a dirty bomb around the same time as when Shady went boom?

[eternal moth]

I wonder where the courier is

[faint saddle]

In the last episode of season 1, I think it was the last they reveal the water chip for 33 is broken and they only have 2 months of water left, in this episode we've seen that they basically have no water left, so it's been about a month and a half from season 1 end to now

[blissful iron]

Chilling at Big MT going by OWB's ending slides.

[eternal moth]

idk if thats canon

cus lets be honest, theres a canon cus thats the only way to continue the story

[faint saddle]

They should have had Sierra Madre graffiti around the wastes like we see in game

[eternal moth]

I want them to end up in Quarry Junction

and maaaaaaybe a cazadore

pls have maximus encounter one

[faint saddle]

Wonder if we'll see red rock canyon, cuz seems a bit weird the Khans haven't returned since ep1

[blissful iron]

Yeah, where in the sam heck are cazadores?

[eternal moth]

imo the most unique opps in nv

[faint saddle]

Probably spent all of the creature animations budget on the deathclaws this season

[eternal moth]

Also plssss let it be marcus

[next saffron]

probably dead as all factions

[faint saddle]

There should have been geckos by now sadge

[eternal moth]

the future supermutant

[blissful iron]

Because god forbid anything we did in NV mattered one iota.

[tepid rover]

Smuggled in by mercs. I mean the Securitrons do a credit check, not a deathclaw egg check.

Could be Omertà related dumbassery

[next saffron]

right man

im so sad after episode 4 i was shocked when i saw the strip

[outer iris]

Yeah sad to see for sure

[faint saddle]

Yea kinda lame the show went with the destruction of basically every big faction minus legion and didn't even use the in game logic for why that happens (lonesome road)

[eternal moth]

Also considering where Area 51 is, theres a very good possibility Maximus would stumble into Jacobstown

[lusty ruin]

alright interesting episode

[next saffron]

this show is dumb they should've never go to Vegas cause they only fucked up the games for plenty of people, i was planning on replaying NV but after this man i dont wanna see it anymore.

i thought Synthetic Man is overreacting in his videos but he was right all along

[lusty ruin]

why? its not like they ruined the game?

[next saffron]

you know that no matter what you choose it leads to nothing

[faint saddle]

And

[next saffron]

thats why canonizing the show is bad

[lusty ruin]

well i killed everyone in fallout 1 why didn't that happen in fallout ????

[faint saddle]

If they canonized one ending to nv are you gonna just playthrough the game and only choose that faction every time

[eternal moth]

bro is a purist

[next saffron]

fallout games were so great because every thing that player did could happen cause it didnt had lore about the endings of games

but show is shitting on you and you accept it XD

[faint saddle]

Well that's not true at all

[eternal moth]

Personally i like canonizing stuff, no like vague bs and cus its open ended like bruh, the game didnt change cus some tv show appeared in the future

[surreal cobalt]

look at this way: it either canonize the ending or just never touch upon it. (both does the same thing of player choice being irrelevant to the canon)

[lusty ruin]

but fo2

[urban mulch]

someone said the vegas scene looks too much like a set and i kinda agree

[eternal moth]

Thats.. not a nightcrawler on yer pfp

[next saffron]

but Todd said himself that Fallout games are made in a way that your choices could happen and that there is no define lore ending, you are just yapping that it isnt while it is that way

[faint saddle]

Fo2 canonized fo1s endings, fo3 and NV canonized fo2 endings, fo3 ending is canon because there isn't much options, 76 doesn't count here and fo4 hasn't had a game yet to canonize an ending but the show seems to imply it's the bos

[lusty ruin]

it's not no

[eternal moth]

Ying

[lusty ruin]

indeed

[blissful iron]

I mean, why not just canonize one ending path and build off of that? You're gonna anger fans regardless, so what is so bad about just picking, say, the NCR or even House and building off of that? I dunno, maybe I'm old fashioned, but this wishy-washy 'fog of war' routine just feels cowardly.

[next saffron]

but it is completly other thing Fo1 Fo2 are foundation for this world it needs to have beggining but games like 3 4 NV are much much later and this lore should be flexible

[lusty ruin]

loved this

[eternal moth]

lanky ass twig built lookin

[surreal cobalt]

not saying of what Todd say I am just saying it is the nature of how multiple ending in games will leads to

[urban mulch]

cause we live in an era where sensitive fans get emotional over everything

[eternal moth]

Its funne if people dont get it, it could just be OMAGAH SHES CANADIAN!?

[next saffron]

from 3 and later these are sandboxes which were supposed to let player shape the world in their imagination

[lusty ruin]

higher quality

[surreal cobalt]

it will leads to either a canon ending or never touch upon it

[lusty ruin]

in fo3 you can side with enclave and poison water yet in fo4 they say enclave was killed by bos and the water is pure

[faint saddle]

Did you play 3

[steady night]

Isn't that the racist guy

[surreal cobalt]

3 does have it canon ending

[next saffron]

hes based

[surreal cobalt]

the race statistic guy

[steady night]

Oh brother

[lusty ruin]

that poster looks off

[urban mulch]

<@&1154421682673549405> can we not normalize racism pls

[steady night]

Ping staff adam

[faint saddle]

Huh I just noticed they all have legion daggers in their backs

[eternal moth]

He hates everything bruh, except Kirby i mean duh for Kirby

[next saffron]

but hes right tho if you listen to him and use your brain

[urban mulch]

oh boy

[next saffron]

keep living in fairy world

[lusty ruin]

i don't think these end things are fully true but yea

[viral tree]

yeah i think they used AI for all the posters in these shots, also for the posters in the legion camp in the credits of ep2

[surreal cobalt]

the right in question:

[next saffron]

you are all cringe to be honest, keep mixing races and religions and in about 200 years there will be no whites and our culture will be wiped

[uncut tinsel]

!mute 1111178641871732818 1d rule 4

[teal blade]

.lauren.ipsum. muted jkkry for 1 day. Reason: rule 4

[real shuttle]

!ban @next saffron racist.

[teal blade]

Banned jkkry

[lusty ruin]

so Arthur Maxson is the elder still

[grand copper]

@steady night also best not to ping staff with a meme either

[real shuttle]

Something something be the change you want to see in the world.

[steady night]

Yeah no valid

[blissful iron]

Maybe we get a vocal cameo from him at the end of S2?

[faint saddle]

I hope the Commonwealth BOS is shown to be somewhat more intelligent

[open rampart]

Look like Ai

[steady night]

You are cool :]

[lusty ruin]

yeah it looks AI

[faint saddle]

Still assholes that kill mutants on sight but at least not the fricken frat bro idiots we've seen so far

[lusty ruin]

this poster on the outro, i feel lik they want that to be important

also i am noticing on this outro they have the old NCR flag and the new one

[blissful iron]

At this point, the bar's so low it's sharing space with Vice President Daniel Bird and No-Bark.

[faint saddle]

Did you just call no bark, dumb??

[faint saddle]

NO-BARK IS A GOD DAMNED NATIONAL TREASURE AND YOU WILL RESPECT HIM AS SUCH

[urban mulch]

first flag is from fallout 1/2 right

[lusty ruin]

ye

[blissful iron]

Also, notice that General's hat on that desk right there; RIP Oliver, I guess.

[urban mulch]

second flag is much better tbh i like it more than calis real flag

[lusty ruin]

the first flag is messy

[steady night]

I liked that touch of also using the first flag for as flawed as it is, actually

[lilac drum]

Oh god no
THat is irrelevant

[blissful iron]

And considering all the swords lodged in those skeletons, can we assume McCarran was sacked by the Legion?

[urban mulch]

this works as a poster tbh but not as a flag

[faint saddle]

Guess this room must be inside Hoover dam

I wonder if we'll see the dam

[urban mulch]

killed by a cazadore

[lusty ruin]

Captain Rodriquez mentions rights to ghouls
this poster says rights to ghouls
bos is anti ghouls
max doesn't hate ghouls but was fired at for saying he saved them by quintus

[faint saddle]

Idk how this season can finish in just 4 episodes, show us all the other cool NV stuff we haven't seen yet , I feel like s3 will also be in NV

[lilac drum]

I read fired and i was like
You dont work for the BoS and get fired?

[faint saddle]

S2 is like cleaning up the house for NV and s3 could be them rebuilding it/reclaiming it for NCR to use as their new capital

[urban mulch]

i guess bethesda wants their side of the IP untouched so its better to mess around with the west coast side of things

[blissful iron]

Only way you get fired from the BoS is at the wrong end of a laser pistol.

[lusty ruin]

okay but power armor(?)

[faint saddle]

Hmmm if everyone died mid fight I wonder if it really was a dirty radiation bomb that killed everyone

[faint saddle]

Looks like t45

[lusty ruin]

i don't think these outro scenes are accurate, them all being frozen and dead

[blissful iron]

Or something/someone caused the Lucky 38's reactor to go critical.

[lusty ruin]

some are skeletons some are not

also these helmets look more accurate then the ones in the show

[faint saddle]

Oh that's cool

[steady night]

Yeah no they aren't
If they were we would have a whole in the Strip's wall and an NCR vertiberd
This is telling somewhat what happened albeit in a stylized fashion

[faint saddle]

The ones in the show are just Brodie helms

[lusty ruin]

we have not seen any NCR vertibirds in strip yeah

[urban mulch]

they had modern helmets in s1 which threw me off

[faint saddle]

How long does it take a body to fully decompose in a radioactive desert

[lusty ruin]

unsure

[faint saddle]

That's because the budget wasn't that big

[steady night]

That was Moldaver's group so like there was not much in the way of uniformity
Plus yeah budget

[faint saddle]

They had to make do with what they had basically

[urban mulch]

yeah true but i guess i can hand wave it

[faint saddle]

Yea that can just be assumed to be a result of not having enough money for the costume department in s1

Also they probably saw comments online about that

[dusty gate]

dawg what happened to camp mccarran 😭

[steady night]

War
War do not change

[lilac drum]

Releasing all epiosde at once is a clear sign that they were basically like
WELL
This is either gonna end well or poorly

[night tide]

are all the bos PA we see so far t45s?

[blissful iron]

Place got wrecked worse than Nipton did by the looks of it.

[faint saddle]

No t60

[lilac drum]

T-60

but yeah
All PA BoS are using at T-60

[steady night]

@blissful iron @worthy monolith
@faint saddle
NCR bros
How are our chances looking rn

[faint saddle]

T45 they had in the show looked so good, it looked like an actual proper armored suit, I find the t60s just look like cosplayer outfits

[blissful iron]

I'm still optimistic we'll see the NCR proper pop off in the season finale.

[faint saddle]

Grim with a chance of nuclear winter

[night tide]

whats the difference from ur perspective?

[blissful iron]

And not just a bunch of random cutoff survivors, I'm talking a proper NCR military force.

[faint saddle]

It's smaller

Everything fits together good unlike the t60 has massive gaps between limbs

[urban mulch]

ngl i thought the alaska PA and bos PA is the same, i couldnt see much differences

[faint saddle]

T60 is based off of t45 so

[night tide]

minor changes?

[faint saddle]

Well you see, t60 was t45, during development

[urban mulch]

what about this one>

[night tide]

I upgraded in game so quickly i didnt noticed the changes tbh

[faint saddle]

But then they realized it looked a bit too different so they just called it a new armor set and made a more accurate t45 one for 4

[night tide]

ahhh

[lilac drum]

Not really
It is a major differences

[faint saddle]

T51B

Basically the super heavy of power armor

[lilac drum]

Its just appearnace wise
They look similar but the more you look
The more you realise they dont look the same
Its basically just a very upgraded T-45D

[lilac drum]

The best of the best

[agile lark]

Bruh
My courier is gonna be pissed when he sees the strip

[faint saddle]

I do wonder if anyone will make NV mods to make it like the show

[night tide]

hello

im watching as cooper and Lucy are in NV at night

🥚

[lilac drum]

Well its possible and its seem like they are and
Wait suddendly there is an option to fuck deathclaws
Damnit
Who brought the frontier devs here?

[faint saddle]

Nice close to the end

[dusty gate]

?????

why did bro say that

[agile lark]

I just had the biggest whiplash while reading this

[night tide]

Im gonn have a look at the t45 vs t60 PA

[dusk crest]

An attempt at humor, I assume.

[lilac drum]

Because its techinally true...
There were some modders who did that...

[night tide]

b4 checking breakdown videos of Heavy spoilers

[lilac drum]

And it was in one of the biggest mods for fallout new vegas
Yeah its no longer but... yeah that mod 100% special

[night tide]

can u make babies?

[lilac drum]

Nope
Drop it now

[lusty ruin]

wow im not NCR bros? :(

[lilac drum]

Ah yes
Elder maxson is BACK BABY!!!
The BoS will SUCCEED
IN THE EAST COAST!!!!

[unborn nimbus]

So what's actually alive in Nevada region outside of the legion? Freeside the only major urban centre left? We don't even see much smaller villages sadly

[steady night]

i forgor
i will include you bro from here on out
What's your take?

[lusty ruin]

it's not looking good™

[night tide]

is the weakness still in the frontal plate of the t60?

[faint saddle]

Makes you wonder why that lady even sells flea soup if there's no one around

[lusty ruin]

but i wonder if this will be anything

[faint saddle]

Yes that's a plot point in the last episode of s1

[steady night]

||Aren't they ending up in Goodsprings for EP5?||

[lusty ruin]

where is that info from

[agile lark]

I wonder if the khans still have red rock canyon

[night tide]

ah yess irc now. cooper still remembers when vsing the BoS

[steady night]

Someone mentioned it in yet another interview I think

[unborn nimbus]

The legion is powerful because they had people to enslave and towns and villages to gain taxes from. But legion being a camp on its own feels...

[faint saddle]

Maximus joining the NCR has been quite obvious for awhile now

[lusty ruin]

in most endings, Khans leave Red Rock

[unborn nimbus]

Like even the orphan kids exist because parents were once somewhere to make kids

[lilac drum]

Nope
They are wiped out by the ghoul
And then suddendly come back in the next fallout game because they are fucking radroaches and cant fucking die!

[lusty ruin]

like, where else will he go now?

[unborn nimbus]

Hopefully

[agile lark]

Oh yeah
Maximus is definitely gonna join the NCR this season

[dusty gate]

i understand quintus wanted to get his point across to max, but when he mentioned the brotherhood being the only resemblance of society nearby i thought of vault city and new arroyo and just hope the writers don't pretend they don't exist

[agile lark]

Lore accurate khans

[woeful helm]

im all for as much brotherhood dying as possible

[agile lark]

Brotherhood needs a goddamn wake up call

[faint saddle]

I'm thinking Max is going to take the cold fusion relic to the NCR, the NCR lady will then plug it into some device that will then power up her radio equipment to have better range, and maybe then she actually does contact an NCR battalion out East that she mentioned

[unborn nimbus]

The show seems to hate depciting any large settlements full of people in season 2 so far

[steady night]

Jesse I neeeeeeed more NCR
I need to get Republicpilled
I have what Lucy has but with the NCR

[lilac drum]

Seriously
They survived from the vault dweller, chosen one, courier (in theory), lucy, ghoul and dogmeat
They just cant die from the main character
They are actually more invulnurable than the kids!

[unborn nimbus]

I don't even need NCR as much as we see more settlements around the map

[dusty gate]

maybe extras cost that much lol

[unborn nimbus]

Give us more unaligned settlements even if NCR or House is dead.

[agile lark]

Please bro
Let me see more NCR
My Shady sands is kinda nuked

[unborn nimbus]

Or at least settlement forced to pay taxes or slaves to legion

[faint saddle]

The only settlement we saw in s1 got wiped out by the bos too

[steady night]

Please Speed I neeeeed this
My Republic is kinda Shadyless

[faint saddle]

Well, and the ghoul

[unborn nimbus]

Even the games were never that bad in making no settlement exist

[dusty gate]

yo cooper why are you trying not to laugh dawg thats mad disrespectful

[faint saddle]

Then the NCR HQ gets wiped out by bos too

[lusty ruin]

i think Ranger Veteran Biff is crazy

[faint saddle]

Yes he is

[unborn nimbus]

Even the BoS area 51 base feels tiny with the amount of people there

[agile lark]

Yo enclave, why are you trying not to laugh, that's disrespectful as shit dawg

[faint saddle]

Which is why he wasn't lying when he said there's a lot more NCR

[lilac drum]

okay
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

[unborn nimbus]

I dunno. Maybe it's budget thing but the fallout TV show has less population than the games? When the games have limit on depiciting big population due to game engine limits

[lilac drum]

There you go
I laughed

[blissful iron]

And what better time for them to show up than at the end of S2 when presumably there'll be a Griffith-tier throwdown.

[lusty ruin]

raider? in ep4?

[unborn nimbus]

Honestly feels like the real canon ending is somehow the enclave wiped out most of New Vegas population lol

[faint saddle]

Because the show already showed him as being crazy and dementia riddled, they'll think everyone will see him say yes there is a lot of NCR around and assume he's just talking out his ass, and then we will actually see more NCR and get surprised

[unborn nimbus]

To explain a lack of settlements left

[agile lark]

It's perfect irony
Control Station Enclave got nuked by the choosen one
And now shady sands got nuked

[unborn nimbus]

Enclave won seems to be what the showrunners wants

[lusty ruin]

they need to explain the strip and Kings

[faint saddle]

Dirty bomb

[blissful iron]

Kinda would be out of nowhere considering the Enclave weren't even in NV outside of a few old folks.

[tulip falcon]

How the fuck did deathclaws get into Lucky 38 in your opinion?

[faint saddle]

By ripping the doors off

We already saw the entrance of the 38 with giant claw marks on the sides of the wall of the door frame

[lilac drum]

KILL

[faint saddle]

I wonder if the deathclaws killed the securitrons

[tulip falcon]

well yes, but I meant how they managed to settle in the city avoiding ncr/securitron

[faint saddle]

They all had their screens smashed in and hands ripped off mostly

[blissful iron]

And for that matter, House will not be happy Deathclaws are running rampant on his Strip.

[foggy crane]

How do yall think Lucy and the ghoul will deal with the deathclaw

[tulip falcon]

the ones with the chip should be pretty strong, at least in the game

[faint saddle]

Honestly house ending can't be canon at least to what actually happens in game because when you activate his securitrons under the fort it gives him a robot army big enough to fight off legion and NCR confidently, if he had that type of security in the strip post battle I don't see how the strip would've gotten over run by legion or deathclaws

[blissful iron]

Any chance Mick and Ralph's has landmines? Could be useful to dealing with the Deathclaw.

[foggy crane]

They gotta actually make it there tho and deathclaws are fast as shit

[tulip falcon]

they will find allies and assault the tower, in the trailer you can see someone in NCR power armor going against the deathclaw

[faint saddle]

That's max

[lilac drum]

Well it show in the trailer but there was no caption for it but i wrote it down what she exactly said
I think

[faint saddle]

I had subtitles for that part

[lilac drum]

Give it to me
I need this as a gif so badly

[faint saddle]

Just watch the ep5 preview on amazon

[blissful iron]

Who in their right mind in Freeside would want to tangle with a dang Deathclaw? Ain't no goofball motivational speech gonna make a bunch of Wastelanders pop off like that.

[lilac drum]

Wait there is an ep5 preview???

[faint saddle]

Yes

[foggy crane]

So they try out run it but what then?

[tulip falcon]

the only possible endings are the NCR one and the Yes Man one, in any case the courier can choose to upgrade the Securitrons even without choosing the House ending, this will have happened

[faint saddle]

The next episode preview always comes out with the newest episode

[lilac drum]

Idk
Lucy said he looking at the ghoul for solutions

[foggy crane]

Whatttt I didn’t get it

[faint saddle]

Legion one could be too seeing how they made it to camp McCarran

And are still in the mojave, every other ending has them running back to legion lands tails tucked between their legs

[lilac drum]

What the?
I never had this in my TV

[placid marten]

SAME BRIDGE???

[tulip falcon]

Doubt

[faint saddle]

Yooooo daaamn good catch

[lusty ruin]

run

[faint saddle]

Unfortunately tho it's probably a flashback

[foggy crane]

They can’t run from that surely

[lusty ruin]

yeah people have been saying it since ep4 trailer was leaked
i guess maybe later..

[fresh crown]

i didn't doubt it to begin with but looks like we just got confirmation that Maxsons alive and still the Elder for the commonwealth chapter

[faint saddle]

Oh wait that's still in LA too

[robust dragon]

New crack theory is that Norm is getting infected with FEV

[faint saddle]

So NCR still in LA huh good

[fresh crown]

Norm is so gonna get strangled in his sleep soon

[lusty ruin]

yeah but also.. we saw the BlamCo factory leak with ||Legion||

[faint saddle]

What

[lusty ruin]

leak

set leak, from this episode

[foggy crane]

Drugged up Lucy is quite fun to watch

[faint saddle]

If the legion is in LA then like that makes them winning at the dam even more possible

I mean I still think the show is just not going with any endings and making up their own for nv

[lilac drum]

Again
Idk how they are doing to do it if house is casually in the trailer when ghoul sees him

[faint saddle]

Flashback for that

[robust dragon]

Interested in Jonah Lobe's reaction to the Deathclaw

[urban mulch]

legion would have to be stretched thin if theyre in LA + NV

[faint saddle]

Who?

[robust dragon]

Guy who designed the F3/F4 deathclaw

[faint saddle]

Not really when they just force people to join them, wouldn't have recruitment issues like ncr

[blissful iron]

And what reason would they have to blitz into LA?

[faint saddle]

To kill NCR

[blissful iron]

Fellas be arriving late to the party then, lol.

[faint saddle]

Legion says they're at war with NCR, ghoul says he knows where their LAST holdout is, but like if that was really the last hold out with a maximum of 3 soldiers, why would the legion think they're at war with NCR, there wouldn't be enough presence for them to even acknowledge them

NCR lady also says NCR is always recruiting, doesn't really seem like something you say if you got 3 people left, you'd just give up probably and move on

[blissful iron]

And really, shouldn't the Legion be focusing on solidifying control of Arizona at the very least, depending on what the situation is back in the Legion's heartland?

[robust dragon]

Wonder how the Deathclaw lovers feel rn

[lusty ruin]

it was awesome

i love fallout fans.

[robust dragon]

At first I thought they made the Deathclaw much bigger, but I think its just because they're almost always hunched in the games. They're actually like 12 feet tall

[steady night]

They weren't this episode though :[
Here's hoping for next episodes for them to appear, though!

[steady night]

I love how Macaulay is also a problem lol
He was good at his role ngl

[fresh crown]

its twitter, lets not act as if they've ever had a single sane opinion

[worthy obsidian]

everything falls to shit everything is destroyed there is nobody and nothing!

how could they do this to Vegas

[steady night]

Legion dumb dumb

[worthy obsidian]

yes you must agree with everything the faction does to like it

[steady night]

Legion poopie

[worthy obsidian]

you’re very rude and evil

[lusty ruin]

o

[steady night]

Legion (sticks tongue out)

[worthy obsidian]

you’re very rude and evil

how could they do this to swank

[fresh crown]

bear bull bear bull, ya'll should just kiss already

[worthy obsidian]

I’m trying to kiss this man

But he playin

[lusty ruin]

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Fallout Season 2 Episode 5 Sneak Peek
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FxTwitter · Jan 7, 2026, 8:53 AM

[open rampart]

This sneak peek sucks

[lusty ruin]

i agree

[fresh crown]

im assming Lucy and Ghoul are in freeside there

[steady night]

I agree we need more

[fresh crown]

anyways what did ya'll think of the deathclaw

so far, pretty horrific imo (in a good way)

[steady night]

Terrifying like it should be

[worthy obsidian]

I might just have horrendously gross expectations but it felt a bit underwhelming to me

[steady night]

You would have thought they would have spammed them since S1 like in FO4 but they learned there thankfully

[foggy crane]

Does Lucy take FEV?!

[steady night]

She's addicted to Buffout

[worthy obsidian]

yeah she’s gonna turn into a super mutant so I finally don’t have to hear her annoying ass

[lusty ruin]

jet

[dull urchin]

hm so the buds reach vault tec hq next episode

[fresh crown]

good ol brahmin shit fumes

[foggy crane]

The snake oil salesman gave Thaddeus the FEV, you can see him heading to the strip where Lucy is

[lusty ruin]

he will get taken by hank

[foggy crane]

She could buy something from him to help cure her

[worthy obsidian]

I wouldn’t say cure is the right word

best case scenario that dude sells fixer

[fresh crown]

someone remind me but where is Norms group at agian

[foggy crane]

No way it actually cures her but he could scam her like he did thadeus

[limpid linden]

Which Prydwen class ship went down?

[worthy obsidian]

around LA probably

[limpid linden]

Outer edges of the city presumably?

[dull urchin]

LA

[limpid linden]

Also I think it’s funny how the Buffout addiction lowered Lucy’s inhibitions and she became ready to kill shit (strong ass addiction)

[lusty ruin]

yup, that tweet is doing great

[dull urchin]

wherever the vault tec hq is

[dull urchin]

that's cool

[lusty ruin]

just a small detail i noticed

[steady night]

Don't let fame go up to your head now!

[lusty ruin]

it's okay my ncr pfp post on bluesky got 100 so im content with that

[dull urchin]

man i really hope the end credits isnt representative of what happened to mccarran

[worthy obsidian]

it is

[lusty ruin]

s1 shown Strip with NCR crashed vertibirds, so where are they in ep4?

[broken swallow]

The end credits are dubious canon at best

[drifting kiln]

Only real fans coordinate their weapons to the ones mentioned in songs

[pine anchor]

The deathclaws moved into NV and ate the residents

[drifting kiln]

Also how dare they cast actors as roles

[pine anchor]

Might be the embassy im thinking

[lusty ruin]

no

[dull urchin]

what was the stadium in the episode 2 end credits?

[lusty ruin]

it even SAYS McCarran

[lusty ruin]

we don't know, we have not seen it before

Might be inside legion land.

[pine anchor]

Oh it was the airport

[dull urchin]

i doubt they're gonna have time to go to mccarran anyways

[pine anchor]

Damn the NCR really got their ass kicked hard

Makes me think the hoover might be in legion control or destroyed

[open rampart]

I think we will see prewar McCarran

[calm kestrel]

...saw the latest episode...and is this a timeline where the Courier just never woke up?

[lusty ruin]

oh yeah i recall seeing some leaks maybe

[pine anchor]

Either that or the courier just looked at the script and said "nah lemme leave the state"

[dull urchin]

definitely not

[pine anchor]

Im thinking the courier really went independent

[blissful iron]

Who knew the Courier was a lazy bum into speedrunning.

[pine anchor]

Or tried to at least

[open rampart]

He did he just did a shit job.

The Courier is the worse protagonist in the series.

This is what happens when the fanbase tries to shit on the LW and the SS

[calm kestrel]

Its just getting harder not to get upset at the bullshit vauge ending choice they did

Commit to a ending

[fresh crown]

if they commit to one ending people are going to get upset regardless

[dull urchin]

people get angry at a decisive ending because it feels like the choices they made have no impact on how it actually turns out

[calm kestrel]

So what. Still better if there actually some concrete plot beyond this of fog of war

[pine anchor]

I mean people need to remember its an RPG game. Any action you choose have both Canon and non Canon aspects

[blissful iron]

I mean, this 'fog of war' nonsense is hardly much better; even having the Legion ending canonized would be better than what we have.

At least that'd show some balls; here, it feels like nothing we did in NV meant a dang thing.

[calm kestrel]

Yeah. You can still have things fall apart but at least you have something to work with

[drifting kiln]

I'm just enjoying the show as a piece of media

[calm kestrel]

Fallout fans are not strangers to each game canonizing certain endings.

[drifting kiln]

I don't care if "my playthrough" meant nothing

[dull urchin]

people are gonna get upset no matter what, i think it's best to leave it up to interpretation just to not alienate a part of the fan base

especially a game held in such high regard by the fan base

[calm kestrel]

They are always going to be upseting someone. At least have the guts to commit to something. Its hurt the show when you don't

[pine anchor]

I think none of the endings are Canon now. Courier mightve died or dipped somewhere before the vital point

[calm kestrel]

It does feel like that

[blissful iron]

Exactly; heck, I'm not exactly a fan of the whole 'Shady gets nuked in 2283' thing either. Just feels weird to stick a cataclysmic event like that barely a year after the Second Battle of Hoover Dam.

[fresh crown]

benny probably double tapped them

[calm kestrel]

he did though

[dull urchin]

^

[calm kestrel]

Two bullets. That is canon

[pine anchor]

Makes better sense too bc the courier either killing Ceasars and the legate or beats the NCR along with going independent makes him a bit op

[fresh crown]

mm triple tapped then

[pine anchor]

Nah dont say that. Just say the courier got up and killed Benny then died. I hate Benny alot

[blissful iron]

Eh, OWB has an easy out for that in the ending slides for that DLC; Courier could just be at Big MT keeping an eye on the place (even more important these days considering the West Coast BoS are screwing around in the Mojave area).

Courier can't do anything in the greater Wasteland if they're stuck at Big MT.

[calm kestrel]

I mean hardly anyone knows about Big MT and the Courier has the means of simply teleporting back easy enough

[pine anchor]

Fuuuuucck I forgot about the dlcs. Also I forgot about the BoS chapter in NV. Whats maximus gonna do now that he's a traitor

[ripe nova]

Oh christ the brotherhood finding big mt

[blissful iron]

Or God forbid Hank; dude's already running wild with mind control chips, imagine him with Big MT technology.

Not that I'd expect him to pull an Elijah and survive; being turned into a lobotomite without anesthesia would be a fitting punishment for ol' Hank.

[fresh shoal]

Pretty sure those chips were originally made to control the Deathclaws

[dull urchin]

so we know that caeser probably died from his tumor seeing that he had the time to write his heir down and the note probably would've been burned during the house ending

[fresh shoal]

Idk man maybe he died from a botched brain surgery given by an INT 1 Courier

[dull urchin]

it seems like the most possible ending is legion

if it were independent vegas then they would probably have to show yes man, outright confirming the ending

[pine anchor]

Nah. None of the endings are Canon. Most likely there wasnt a courier to begin with even. Benny tried to control NV but failed in the end somehow, the legion and NCR went to war and probably destroyed the dam in the battle. And as the dust settled the deathclaws moved in to other settlements and territory to expand as theres no one to try and stop them

[dull urchin]

i don't think they would decanonize NV like that

[pine anchor]

They can keep some elements of what is Canon like Ceasar dying and house dead. But the ending here is too vague to determine what is chosen for the series. Bc the courier sure as hell aint siding with slaving barbarians

[languid scarab]

i wouldn't put it past todd if he did but i just watched dis shit and im getting the vibe they are.

[fresh crown]

oh here we go

[dull urchin]

decanonizing NV would have crazy backlash, I feel like if they thought about it just a little bit they would realize how bad of an idea that is

[fresh crown]

can't go a single episode discussion without at least one accusation of Todd hating NV and wanting to decanonize it

[dapper quiver]

Another absolute cinema of an episode

[languid scarab]

the best thing tho was the alaska stuff was neat to see for a minute and lucy being addicted 2 buffout is incredibly hilarious.

[broken swallow]

Imagine using a location for your show, but basically removing everything that made location cool.

[pine anchor]

Its not entirely decanonizing it. Just some parts of it aren't anymore.

[real moth]

The main problem is that everithing being destroyed can make the idea of new vegas feel kind of pointless, specially simce it has been 18 years instead of morez the ending gave you the "decide the fate of the region from the next decades" wich is dificult to believe whit every faction either destroyed or reduced to ashes

[fresh crown]

the hookers?

[hollow crypt]

With each episode I wonder why they even bothered setting the show on West Coast in the first place.

So many problems could've been avoided if it took place in previously unmentioned regions.

I thought they were gonna show meaningful evolution of F1-NV worldspaces but it all boils down to "everything is destroyed and nothing mattered lol".

[broken swallow]

Literally this. I don’t get it either. If you don’t want to fully embrace what a region has to offer, don’t use it as your setting.

[fading zodiac]

I was right !

[hollow crypt]

I like the characters and the story but the show does unspeakable things to the lore.

[real moth]

Several factions being better off but still fighting would have been receives i thing

[hollow crypt]

Very mixed feelings on the season so far overall.

[fading zodiac]

Enclave has returned and better, fallout 5 is gonna be focused on enclave

[pine anchor]

Well the keypoint here is nv was almost 20 years ago. And its fallout. We cant expect NV to not be a wasteland

[fading zodiac]

No more BOS fan boys

[hollow crypt]

Yes we can.

[real moth]

The point of any ending was that, even in caesars ending, or yess man ending, the mojave stoll trived

[hollow crypt]

Fallout 2 takes place years after Fallout 1 and the Wasteland has evolved beyond shanty towns and flea soup during that time.

Same with New Vegas.

The show would've been a 7-8/10 if it wasn't set on the West Coast.

But as it stands it's more like 5-6/10.

[pine anchor]

You expect a wasteland with all sorts of mutated threats and factions killing each other to thrive?

[real moth]

30 years at least would make it feel less shitty since it wpuld be , well at least rhey got a few years of prosperity and hit hit the fan, but only 18 years, makes it feel like at best i was 5 yeats when it was working

[real moth]

Fallout 2 had cities, new vegas too, even the comonwealth is more prosperous despite the institute fucking everithing up

[steady night]

Thing is a New Vegas strip thriving actually is the exception in its' history
Not the rule

[hollow crypt]

Like genuinely is this a budget thing?

I don't understand why they're so committed to undoing years of progress in the lore.

[broken swallow]

The world just feels empty.

[real moth]

Is actually a pre and post bethesda thing, that they like destroyed wastelands

[steady night]

Chris Avellone

[real moth]

Fallout van buren had functional jails, a way to ghouls to reproduce, it had progress

[hollow crypt]

Even he didn't go as far as to nuke Shady Sands.

[steady night]

He wanted to nuke everything with Lonesome Road wdym

[hollow crypt]

The version of Vegas we see in the show is closer to Dust funnily enough.

[broken swallow]

Chris wishes he could undo this much world building lmao

[real moth]

Ya

[hollow crypt]

Never thought that mod of all things would be the closest thing to canon but here we are.

[pine anchor]

Fo2 was almost over 60 years ago. New vegas had one city but again had players readying to take over in some violent way.

[fresh crown]

if it was so easy for the courier to shake things up for every faction within a year, no wonder everythings gone to shit after a whopping 15-20 years

[real moth]

Thing is, even for a wasteland isntoo destroyed, at least as far as we have seen it, if the ncr and other factions where in a state similar to the legion, bathered but functional, it would be less weird

[broken swallow]

Legion gets a whole camp and leaders and backstory with their title card.
NCR get 4 refugees squatting in some hill with their title card.

[meager gate]

The factions in the Mojave were as stable as a flag stuck in shallow sand. Sure it could be held down by a group but all it takes is one natural disaster or one enemy faction to uproot that flag

[real moth]

60 years, several cities, force fields in shady sands, cloning of limbs in vault city, power armor production whit the shi, and new reno whit casinos and somehow an adult film industry

New vegas was not an exception, canon freeside was full of casinos

[ripe nova]

Yeah because vegas was not their main holding

[broken swallow]

It’s not the main holding for the legion either, that’s Phoenix.

[ripe nova]

Reno, vault city and the other ncr cities could still exist

[steady night]

The Strip as it was when you visit is something that literally just took less than a decade to build
Before that it was definitely closer to what we see now

[ripe nova]

But the legions more nomadic in nature due to being a cult of personality

[tough viper]

that could have been good plot outline if it involved realistic world building. just look at how byzantium and persia destroyed each other and model the world in similar fashion

[real moth]

We need to wait to see what is the actual state of the other factions

But as far as we have seen, even whit the ncr not mentioning other cities, and the kings probably extinct, is basically wipinc out a setting, thats the problem, not that the problems of the factions arise, is the fact that those problems basically destroyed every faction or is ints way to do it fornwhat we have seen

[ripe nova]

We don’t see what happened inside the legion territory itself i imagine a lot of tribal rebellions

[steady night]

Not to mention
Literally the Strip is the only thing that is gone bad
Freeside is still functioning but that's because, other than the casinos, they have an actual economy to support a local population
The Strip depended on tourist money from Shady Sands to survive

[real moth]

But, according to the fan made map, the legion seems to have a lot of territory, somehow

[ripe nova]

Were the king not ghouls though hinting freeside went bad too

[real moth]

Novac doesn seem that good, golf is abandoned despite being supossed to be in a literal lake (althoug we could argue that the faction doesnt allow people to settle down there)

[steady night]

||Look at how we see Freeside in leaks and in the trailer for Episode 5
Pretty much still active||

[jovial kayak]

New episode was good

[ripe nova]

Westside could still be functioning since it was closer to independant than freeside

[broken swallow]

How does freeside even survive without the NCR sharecroppers, the Kings or the Strip?

[jovial kayak]

Tbh I forgot the deathclaws are pre war

[steady night]

Actual trade and independent farming, possibly

[jovial kayak]

Also what did the courier do to make that mess

[ripe nova]

Sounds more like west side

[steady night]

||Have you looked at the trailers||

[real moth]

Destruction is aparently si everithing is so fucked up so people dont ask about the courier

Or who won, actually

[ripe nova]

I meant westside was more functional than freeside

[ripe nova]

The deathclaws won

[hollow crypt]

Honestly at this point why not just pick a canon ending?

It's no big deal.

The first Fallout had a canon ending and no one complained.

[steady night]

I feel like they are honestly just implying it
It is inevitable

[hollow crypt]

They tried not to offend anyone and ended up offending everybody.

[glossy gale]

House ending probably canon but then something happens later down the line that drastically affects the end result of the Mojave maybe?

[steady night]

Fallout 2 also had its' fair share of critics, though

[amber osprey]

Hello deathclaw :)

[ripe nova]

Remember the series tagline

[hollow crypt]

If the NCR don't show up in full force until the season's end I'm gonna be so disappointed.

[dapper quiver]

Bro thinks the NCR has a full force still lol

[hollow crypt]

Like seriously, what was its population until the Shady Sands incident?

Millions of people?

[woven slate]

i didn’t think this new episode was bad at all.

[hollow crypt]

And how many people lived in Shady Sands?

[dapper quiver]

The NCR collapsed after the nuking of shady sands

[real moth]

Give me 20 years ane i have the industry reignited

Yeah...

[amber osprey]

I knew they were prewar creations but I didn't know that they were gonna be in the show's prewar

[hollow crypt]

Like 50 000?

Where did the rest of them go.

[dapper quiver]

Become independent after the nuking

[hollow crypt]

"It collapsed lol"
Well the armed forces and the cities didn't just fade out of existance.

I want to see a properly developed ex-NCR town.

[dapper quiver]

They’re likely independent forces now

[real moth]

The series is good, the problem is that the use of the mojave seems more like a reference rather than an actual use of the setting, wich is a problem because in order to achieve a non canon ending, everithing regresed to a destroyed state

[fresh crown]

Ended too soon was my only complaint, too many cliffhangers ain't a great thing

[broken swallow]

It’s easier to write your own story when you have basically a blank slate. Shoving all the major payers into holes so the main cast can do their thing is convenient.

[real moth]

I mean, novac kind of makes sense to be abandoned state since it was just a bus stop town, the problem again, is that we dont see a lot of sights of cuvilization (aside from freeside, but the other towns arent show, wich is maybe fornthe best so it can be left to doubt if they are still functioning)

[dapper quiver]

It was definitely shorter than the previous episodes

[amber osprey]

LMAO THE ARMOR

[hollow crypt]

Have we even seen a single properly functioning settlement in the show?

[mystic hull]

Victor still exists which means that MR house is still barely alive

[ripe nova]

Filly

[dapper quiver]

Filly

[mystic hull]

Remember after you kill house in the game victor disappears forever

[fresh crown]

Yea and im not only saying that in a "oh i think the shows great with no flaws!" way, the pacing for the season has been an issue imo

[dapper quiver]

Well filly before Maximus and the ghoul fucked shit up

[ripe nova]

The legion camp is also legion functional

[broken swallow]

The first season did it better with Filly. We got to see people traveling and doing things. Season 2 has focused entirely on factions.

[fresh crown]

Also damn Elder Mcrae stabbing that fuckers mouth

[dapper quiver]

So what you’re saying is season 1 was fallout 3 and season 2 is New Vegas

[hollow crypt]

Are these factions in the room with us right now?

All the factions consist of like 3 to 50 people max.

It's very disappointing.

[broken swallow]

Yeah “factions” is a strong word to use for sure.

[ripe nova]

I mean legion camp looked full

[hollow crypt]

I thought season 2 would have a bigger budget so they could afford more background extras and show more big functioning settlements.

[broken swallow]

It’s like calling Rivet City security a faction

[blissful iron]

Brotherhood certainly qualify, though that might not be the case for much longer out West depending on how badly their civil war mauls them.

[broken swallow]

Even just the subtle thing of the Ghoul and Lucy passing other people would have eased these kinds of complaints. But no

[woven slate]

fully agreed.

[mystic hull]

If you hate cliffhangers you’ll die if you watch prison break

[blissful iron]

Also, what’re the odds Quintus pops up again to cause trouble?

[unkempt quartz]

alright rewatch time

[broken swallow]

Definitely gonna see them again, because how else will we get to see our exposition magnet Dane again?

[fresh crown]

My mom used to watch it, she made me always remind her on when the next episode drops lol

[amber osprey]

OOOOOO GOLDEN GIRL GETTING ADDICTED

[broken swallow]

I swear Dane only exists to look worried at the camera, and tell Maximus what important things are happening. And the whole “go on without me” cliche is just stupid.

[fresh crown]

I mean that's a given, Max has the relic

[steady night]

I think they will decide on their own accord to just give it to the NCR in the firecamp scene

[robust dragon]

Honestly I'm guessing the Legion under Lacerta will go to Vegas for revenge on Lucy & the Ghoul while the Brotherhood will do the same hunting Maximus

Then the NCR rolls in with the save.

[fresh crown]

Im just wondering if the commonwealth is gonna roll in by the end of this and reign in the rogue chapters before going all "sorry for the trouble ma'am" and leaving

[broken swallow]

Really gonna have an avengers endgame “on your left” moment. Sighs

[steady night]

It is already a free-for-all with the Brotherhood so it is best to just leave them be their own storyline
The Commonwealth will just take them all out, leave them to fade away. That way you also have the secondart effect of the NCR can consolidate the West

[broken swallow]

But how can they put the BoS in Fallout 5? lol

[steady night]

I will never get why people still do the "sighs" thing
Just say it is lame like that's gets the point across better

[broken swallow]

You got my point so it worked.

[steady night]

Ok yeah valid
I just don't want to say it is cringe because now that's just rude for no reason but I feel my body telling me it is

[fading zodiac]

Had a dream, in ep 5 enclaves will return with a upgraded vertibirds and NCR will fire on them but then hold fire to side with them while some of enclave flys towards the BOS civil war that broke out

[blissful iron]

NCR jumping the Brotherhood right after their inter-chapter feuding ends to mop up the survivors would be fun.

[worthy monolith]

We are so fucked.

[broken swallow]

If the NCR couldn’t handle Quintus and merry band of grenade wielding beefcakes, how could they stand up to all the chapters in one place now.

[worthy monolith]

All we've seen so far of the NCR is two Rangers and a regular soldier.

I'm guessing the leaks of NCR soldiers in LA was a deleted scene or something because it looks like they were clearly supposed to appear at the bridge where Norm and the gang go

[blissful iron]

I’m talking the NCR proper, not those old geezers outside Primm or Moldaver’s LARP’ers.

[hollow crypt]

Gone, reduced to atoms.

[amber osprey]

WAS THAT THE KING???

[worthy monolith]

It's looking bleak right now, sons of the Bear.

[steady night]

Nah I believe
I don't think that was deleted scene
Shame they didn't appear this episode, though

[worthy monolith]

On the brightside the Brotherhood is fucked, I didn't think Bethesda had the balls to send its poster boy moneymakers to the grave

[robust dragon]

I think people need a little perspective, every main character is connected in some way to the NCR, the NCR are some of the only good people encountered, they mentioned the battalion east in episode 3. One of the Ghoul's first good acts was not screwing over the rangers

[blissful iron]

Fellas got screwed worse than Elvis on the toilet.

[unborn nimbus]

Maybe just then reusing the sets for different scene or for costume/parade fitting practice

[worthy monolith]

That's what I was thinking too

[amber osprey]

Securitrons destroyed....

[unborn nimbus]

It could be they use part of the set for rehearsal for the sandy sands scene

[amber osprey]

Something had to go down in freeside

[broken swallow]

They also didn’t know about Shady Sands, so for all we can assume, that battalion is also gone.

[blissful iron]

Long time coming ever since Fallout 4, honestly.

[worthy monolith]

Question is, who will be the posterboys now?

[steady night]

Who else

[worthy monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/enclave-fallout-propaganda-76-gif-1832661275352466615

[broken swallow]

Still the BoS. Forever. Every media.

[steady night]

Ew

[worthy monolith]

Return to America.

Reject mutatations.

[glass quarry]

I'm extremely curious about what's happened to the strip exatly

Hm...

[unborn nimbus]

I don't know but I feel expecting the writers to do a lot of deep lore set up for how much of NCR survived is expecting too much for them. Given they seem to think sandy sands is like most of NCR. And how most factions amount to just one major settlement

[worthy monolith]

I didn't even realize that was the white shirt Elvis. Are the Kings really just dead?

[amber osprey]

Guess so

[glass quarry]

RIP The King

[amber osprey]

If we're going with this was the house ending, then the kings more likely than not get wiped out
And ghoulification? Probably counts

[broken swallow]

Season and a half and we’ve yet to get more than flashbacks and crumbs. People are too optimistic, there’s no buildup for a NCR return. It would be so out of left field. No characters, no leaders. Nothing.

[worthy monolith]

Nolan had said in an interview that not all of the Kings were dead

Someone else probably took charge of the group, and I swear if its Pacer

[glass quarry]

I'm extremely curious about House

He would never let the Strip fall, it's his baby

[worthy monolith]

I'd think what I'd like at this point is a little scene where the Mojave NCR remnants hook up to a radio and get a signal from the Hub or something, where all remaining NCR forces are to rally there.

[unborn nimbus]

I imagine it could be something like how rise of Skywalker has magic fleet appearing from nowhere in the end.

[fervent dew]

please no

[burnt grail]

i disagree rn it feels like everyone in the show is awful EXCEPT the ncr plus they keep teasing the ncr for some reason i feel like it must be leading to something

[fervent dew]

There is a season 3

[worthy monolith]

"Cooper, do you read me? It's Moore. On your left."

cue view of entire NCR army with Vertibirds, Rangers, First Recon, heavy troopers.

[burnt grail]

id say it would make less sense if just nothing happened and they did nothing with the ncr lol

[lilac drum]

But the BoS are idiots
Novac dino facing the wrong way is so minor that its just not even a major factor
Big iron but no one uses revolver? Why does it matter
Why would bethesada even be jealous, terms of money, fallout 3, 4 and 76 made more money than new vegas ever did
The last one idk what its talking

[steady night]

At least they are leading up to a final scene in NCR territory
Kinda like with Vegas but hopecore lol

[worthy monolith]

"WEST COAST!!!!! ASSEMBLE!!!!!"

[unborn nimbus]

Wasn't Jonathan Nolan and his team working with JJA early in his career.... So you never know ..

[broken swallow]

Oh god no.

[burnt grail]

yeah i feel most of the significant plot threads will occur in season 3 since todd apparently is setting fallout 5's backdrop using the events of season 3

[shrewd grotto]

RIP the King, I hope Rex the dog is doing okay

[worthy monolith]

I mean, a lot of these writing choices make sense now that you mentioned it

[unborn nimbus]

Some of the writers also worked on late seasons Game of Thrones

[blissful iron]

Like, Lucy waking up in Arroyo or something after she gets knocked unconscious in Vegas?

[steady night]

So season 3 is the final season?

[amber osprey]

Ok wow pretty much all of the chapters are at war now

[worthy monolith]

Like shit randomly happening, bunch of important plot stuff being done offscreen.

[unborn nimbus]

Blowing up sandy sands is like blowing up the NR capital in Ep 7. To reset star wars

[broken swallow]

I want to see Rex show up as a k9000 Cyberdog gun.

[worthy monolith]

Yeah, exactly.

[burnt grail]

probably not, i can't imagine them wanting to stop producing more seasons. it might even change but yeah at one point he did say that the plot they have planned for season 3 will be used to set up the background for the next fallout game

[robust dragon]

Except the New Republic is completely forgotten after TFA, while the NCR have very clearly remained important?

[broken swallow]

Important how and where??

[hollow crypt]

Oh God it's all coming together.

[worthy monolith]

3 NCR guys were shown on screen, and besides that we've seen scraps and skeletons.

[hollow crypt]

Curse you JJ Abrams.

[shrewd grotto]

I'm surprised there hasn't even been the mention of the courier yet considering how much he did in Vegas and the area

[burnt grail]

we did get confirmation elder maxson is still alive tho

[broken swallow]

Fallout 4 BoS ending lets gooooo lmao

[robust dragon]

Entire plot is set in motion by Moldaver, All four protagonists are in some way connected with the NCR, The destruction of Shady Sands is a massively important event for several characters backstories, NCR are being depicted as almost universally positive light.

[unborn nimbus]

He helped Jonathan Nolan with his early shows like Person of Interest and Westworld

[fervent dew]

I’m trying to not think that Fallout is trying to copy the Star Wars Sequels

[burnt grail]

i still find it funny cooper never got to meet moldover post war

[shrewd grotto]

Also where are all the Fatman launchers and mini nukes 😭

[unborn nimbus]

How much Fallout TV is Nolan taking advice from what he learned from JJA is ...

I dunno. But maybe a lot

[steady night]

Don't
Those are two different beasts
The latter really is, something.
Not something good.

Somehow, the Star Wars comparisons returned.

[broken swallow]

Moldaver is an NCR larper who hires raiders.

[amber osprey]

The strip is vacant???

[unborn nimbus]

It's either that or game of thrones. Late season game of thrones

[burnt grail]

one question i do have tho is - why are there cars on the strip?

[unborn nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/kinda-forgot-david-benioff-game-of-thrones-got-we-kinda-forgot-gif-21099232

[burnt grail]

the end credits seemingly imply the NCR had a working tank at mccaran which was cool

[steady night]

I have never watched GoT but I have heard that the final season was a generational fumble
I hope it dosen't happen with this

[worthy monolith]

End credits aren't canon right?

[steady night]

They are canon, but very stylized

See the Strip for an example

[worthy monolith]

So Bethesda actually took Avelonne's words to heart?

[burnt grail]

yeah i imagine they must have elements of them that are true otherwise why include them

[robust dragon]

I swear New Vegas fans have become so obsessed with slamming factions against eachother and conspiracy theories about Bethesda hating New Vegas that they've forgotten what a story is.

[lilac drum]

Well its new vegas fans
They are medically insane

[unborn nimbus]

I was more thinking in terms of writings thinking how society and civilization has to work is no longer considered important, and all you need to plot moving forward regardless of whether it breaks the immersion of how the world works.

[broken swallow]

So there is just a massive nuclear silo in the middle of the Mojave where Black Mt should be, if the end credits are true.

[worthy monolith]

The end credits of Ep 8 back in S1 show a giant hole in Vegas's perimeter and an NCR vertibird in the middle of the strip with barricades everywhere, they aren't exactly really accurate at all.

[unborn nimbus]

Tony Gilroy who was showrunner of Star Wars Andor basically has to force his writers to stop trying to take shortcuts to get the plot where they want and actually think of how the universe function and what the steps are needed to shapes the paths our characters can take. And that is apparently a rare thing for many writers to learn these days

[burnt grail]

one seemingly guarded by securitrons - itll be a really random inclusion if it doesnt come up tbf

[steady night]

The Strip is still not good in shape, either way
The implication is what is important in there

Not the visuals per se

[broken swallow]

Or you could just do what the Fallout show does and have our main characters travel 200 miles offscreen and not interact at all with the world.

[shrewd grotto]

What are people predictions for the fate of Mr House?

[unborn nimbus]

My feeling is the show has moved to the point where how the fallout world works to get things functioning is becoming less important than the plot beats. Characters can teleport easily to get to the plot points, or factions can exist or reappear entirely to needs of plot and nothing to do with how much work is done to make a faction viable

[robust dragon]

Look, disagree with how they've been depicted the NCR (I think they could have done better myself) but the idea that they've just disposed of the NCR is so utterly delusional if you actually look at anything the show has done with the NCR without NV fanboy brainrot.

[unborn nimbus]

We don't even see much settlements this season, or even asking questions like where did the Orphans of Thaeddus factory comes from. Or what's the point of producing so much caps if there's no big settlement nearby to spend it on

[unborn nimbus]

I mean they blew up sandy sands then now show how much of NCR presence is gone in new Vegas (abandoned bigger base)

[broken swallow]

It’s really not that delusional. The NCR has gotten the least amount of screen time out of all the factions, even the kings have gotten a cooler scene than the NCR at this point.

[steady night]

Ok I do agree with you here
My big and only complaint with the show so far is the sense of location

I really think that if you solve that you solve about a good chunk of the problems people have with the show

[broken swallow]

Which for fallout should have been the writers priority, as traveling and walking is like, half the games basically.

[lilac drum]

Tbf
We have seen the legion camp and it wasnt the one shown in ep3 so shouldnt we all not take the credits seriously to begin with?

[unborn nimbus]

It feels like they are... Speed rushing to major location in NV but same time all the location we've seen is like nearly all dead or just ghouls. Save for Caesar camp and area 51. But even area 51 feels like only a handful of BoS there despite 4 chapters gathering there

[blissful iron]

Guess everyone has fast travel enabled, I guess.

[worthy monolith]

The closest moment we ever got to a cool scene with the NCR in the show is when the old holdouts appeared to Cooper...that's it.

And then after that it's just downright depressing

[broken swallow]

It doesn’t help how we don’t get any major characters from the NCR. Maximus is practically the only named character except Moldaver.

And that’s a stretch

[unborn nimbus]

Even the legion camp feels weird because it... Feels like it exist on its own where you don't feel like there's any settlements that either aligned/belonged to the legion, or oppose the legion.

Season 2 so far is weird because there's zero major settlement seen so far beside legion camp. Everywhere seen so far is empty.

[lean jasper]

We’re gonna see the ncr later yall, just wait lol, no need to doom yet

[blissful iron]

Ain't no way a marketable faction like them'd be totally wiped out for good.

[unkempt quartz]

it feels like they're generally painting a picture of desolate everything so that they can hype something up

[broken swallow]

People were saying this exact shit in season 1 tbh

[unborn nimbus]

I feel the writers need to give us some settlements along the path Ghoul and Lucy is taking. by settlement I mean like more than 2 people in those places or just raiders

[hollow crypt]

Hype moments and aura.

[unborn nimbus]

Even in the game with game engine limits we saw more of civilisation around with a lot of smaller settlements besides the big ones.

[hollow crypt]

I hate this so much about modern writing.

[broken swallow]

Even having them pass a Caravan for 2 seconds with some dialogue about the area would have done wonders for the story.

[fervent dew]

Tbh I think if they showed them stopping at smaller settlements people would complain about the episode being filler

[burnt grail]

wheres the caravan gonna go tho everywhere is dead lol

[blissful iron]

Or eating lice soup.

[thick fiber]

holy shit bos gone?

[hollow crypt]

It's flea soup actually.

[broken swallow]

The problem has come full circle lmao.

[lean jasper]

They’re literally gonna be in freeside next episode yall and there’s people there

[burnt grail]

im curious how the BOS will fit into the rest of the season 2 plot now that maximus has left it

[shrewd grotto]

Why didn't the ghoul and Lucy ask the NCR about the state of the strip?? Makes no sense how they walked all the way there without seeing a single person to ask about whats been happening

[burnt grail]

also the actor who plays the elder cleric is incredible with that voice

[blissful iron]

Gotcha.

[placid marten]

This got released after the ep4

[broken swallow]

Apparently this is just played off as “they followed hanks trail” which is really lame.

[blissful iron]

Whatever remains of the BoS after they're done squabbling decides to storm New Vegas? Perhaps Quintus thinks that's where the cold fusion chip's been taken to?

[eternal moth]

Am i the only one that i find it so funny when Chet reveals the Canadian ID card, OMAGAYD SHES CANADIAN

[blissful iron]

Nate missed a spot when raking the leaves, I guess.

[unborn nimbus]

Or they don't stop but just carrying on moving past small settlements. With some quick dialogue about the legion or something

[broken swallow]

Season finale is just The Hobbit: Battle of the 5 armies but Fallout

[burnt grail]

perhaps, i did find it intersting they kept quintus alive like to me that pretty much guarantees the bos will still be around in the future after their little battle

[eternal moth]

Not that Steph is pre-war, no no, shes from Canada

[lilac drum]

This is a joke please tell me?

[unborn nimbus]

New Vegas feeling so dead even compared to the game is... Sad. I mean the appeal of seeing NV is you see the people in it.

[burnt grail]

i like this twist and of the other vault tech manager who joined only a week ago - it shows that vault 31 were just the same as the originals in 32 and 33 theyre just lab rats too

[placid marten]

It's real unfortunately

[blissful iron]

Kinda hurt to see the Kings like that.

[placid marten]

So like, Call of Duty Fallout canon

[fervent dew]

I will say I’m surprised they didn’t pass Primm or something

[unborn nimbus]

There's the old woman selling food along the way but only her?

[unborn nimbus]

No mention of it in background dialogue either

[broken swallow]

It’s even sillier when we see it in the background.

[blissful iron]

Or even, God forbid, Goodsprings.

[lilac drum]

I...
Sigh
And they wonder why people hate the newest cod games
This is why

[blissful iron]

No, wait, that'd probably be a coyote den by now.

[unborn nimbus]

Novac is taken over by khan's and then all the khans there are dead so..

So many empty places in season 2. I mean where did Thaddeus even find all the Orphans? Like the Orphans spawn from thin air due to plot needs.

[placid marten]

Think in a good way, atleast they gave us all 3

[unborn nimbus]

Like how did orphans survive while no adult is around?

[steady night]

They don't look too good lol

[lilac drum]

Like Thaddeus said
Most kids die by this age!

[placid marten]

I mean

[broken swallow]

How did Thaddeus manage to make it to Vegas faster than Lucy and the Ghoul, and still have time to round up a bunch of kids, and enslave them.

[shrewd grotto]

Yeah that sucked, also makes me think what happened in Vegas to cause then to turn into ghouls in the first place? They detected radiation at the strip before Mr deathclaw showed up, did someone drop another nuke or something?

[fervent dew]

Someone mentioned earlier I think that her being the way she is is her trying to get back at the US for taking Canada, wouldn’t be surprised

[blissful iron]

Or maybe the Lucky 38's reactor went critical at some point?

[unborn nimbus]

Yeah, but where did he even find them in the first place. And for orphans to exist there has to be some dead parents from some settlements first

[dull urchin]

wasn't it a temp id into Canada?

[burnt grail]

thats an interesting theory

[lilac drum]

Its so Ai generated its not even funny

[broken swallow]

Missed opportunity to have a scene of Thaddeus arriving in the Mojave at an abandoned Primm or Goodsprings and gathering the kids. But nope. Can’t have “filler”

[lilac drum]

They didnt even BOTHERED to put effort into it
Just another cash grab made by a company hat should have been dead ages ago

[dull urchin]

microsoft?

[eternal moth]

why play COD to play Fallout if u can just... play Fallout

[lilac drum]

No activision

[lilac drum]

Can't have filler?
Mate they are actively getting side tracked sometimes

[broken swallow]

Because 76 is an awful multiplayer game with garbage pvp. And there are some people who want fallout PVP

[unborn nimbus]

Imo, the show badly needs to... Show a sense of normal daily life in NV.

[lilac drum]

In a way that makes the show go foward but done in such a way that its feel like filler

[shrewd grotto]

That's a good point tbh, i can't think of what else could have caused the radiation as there were no signs of a nuke going off in the strip

[unkempt quartz]

Guys if you wanna have a discussion about the cod thing this channel isn't the right place - this is for the tv show content itself, #fallout_tv is fine to discuss that collab in since it doesnt spoil the show

[dull urchin]

i mean i feel like this show does a good job at progressing things along

[unborn nimbus]

Fallout is about exploring and seeing at least various interesting settlements along the way and not just speed rush to finish main plot

[dull urchin]

harkness arrives in ep2, dies in ep3 and immediately after, max goes to kill quintus in ep4

i think pacing is something the show does really well

[unborn nimbus]

I dunno. Give us some wooden shacks of a small village along the way in NV. Did they use up all the extras budget on the flashback scenes?

[onyx pelican]

I really like the visor thing for the t-45 compared to the t-60

[broken swallow]

What if it’s another Searchlight situation? With just radiation barrels or something

[unborn nimbus]

I feel the show give us more sense of prewar daily life than fallout daily life

[burnt grail]

would tie into the new plotline that house wanted cold fusion before the war too

[onyx pelican]

Kinda wish that the t-60 used the handles on the side of the helmet like the t-45

[unborn nimbus]

Almost like bottle caps aren't even needed for ghoul and Lucy journey since there's no settlement to even spend caps on lol

[fervent dew]

I also remember someone a while back before this episode saying that they thought the episode was gonna be one huge pre war flashback, I think particularly just showing the Battle of Anchorage

[broken swallow]

This was a bit disappointing. Our 2nd only time seeing one of the major events of the fallout world, and its majority about a creature found in the wasteland.

[dull urchin]

i mean it would be neat but i don't think that's something non fallout fans would want to watch

[ashen orchid]

because fallout daily life can be seen in the games easily while the prewar life is incredibly hard to show in the games without taking away the roleplaying aspect

[unborn nimbus]

I mean eventually we will see Freeside and it seems Freeside isn't empty but. For the first half of the season it's practically empty lands for most of it

[broken swallow]

So many more interesting things they could have done instead of a deathclaw. Waste of an Anchorage flashback.

[dull urchin]

i disagree, it was pretty cool

[simple rampart]

Damn…||they’re all dead||

[unborn nimbus]

But the appeal isn't just prewar daily life but also showing us fallout era daily life though. Which basically don't exist in season 2 so far.

[shrewd grotto]

For my next fallout NV playthrough I might as well just kill every single living thing I see, doesn't matter in the end anyway...

[dull urchin]

we got to see chinese soldiers, t-45 PA and we learn that deathclaws were deployed pre war

[unborn nimbus]

If Freeside is like only settlement with people still around then it's kinda sad.

[simple rampart]

Exactly.. 🙁 this is what I was afraid of

[fervent dew]

The latter we knew already tbh

[ashen orchid]

it wasnt about Anchorage tho, it was about Coop getting PTSD from seeing that deathclaw ripping people apart back when he was still the innocent soldier

[simple rampart]

Novacs been taken over by khans, I assume they’re all dead
New vegas is dead
Daaaamn

[dull urchin]

i mean yeah but getting to actually see it was neat

[simple rampart]

The kings are dead

[unborn nimbus]

I dunno how to feel if freeside and legion camp are like the only 2 settlment still with people in NV

[shrewd grotto]

I hope Rex appears and becomes friends with dog meat

[broken swallow]

Rex would be like, 30 years old at this point.

[ashen orchid]

the curse of having multiple endings
you make 1 ending canon and then every single other ending is absolutely meaningless

[shrewd grotto]

Noooo my buddy 😭😭

[simple rampart]

Yesss

[broken swallow]

Also without the courier, Rex dies.

[steady night]

People will complain about no endings being canonized
People will complain about an ending being canonized
Like, how do you manage at this point

[gray galleon]

Probably by like

[simple rampart]

People will complain when you kill… everyone

Blowing up shady sands didn’t affect me cuz I never played the first 2 but I can see people being mad about that

[burnt grail]

yeah true fnv is such an open ended game compared to every other fallout in terms of ending variety that no matter what decisions the tv showrunners made they were gonna catch hate

[simple rampart]

I wasn’t expecting the strip to just be completely dead

[ashen orchid]

import saves and then having a problem with to many variables to import after the third game lol

[gray galleon]

I think the approach they went with to "not canonize any ending" was a very dumb idea

Especially when you're writing a sequel

[burnt grail]

its not really a sequel tho the tv show is its own story which isnt about the mojave

[simple rampart]

Dont canonise an ending
Just kill everyone and every faction just about 😆

[broken swallow]

Trying to piss off no one and end up pissing off everyone.

[steady night]

It was an expected outcome for Vegas since FNV honestly
You cannot hold a tourist-economy without disposable income tourists for long

[simple rampart]

Hardcore new vegas fans are gonna be so mad when they find out

[ashen orchid]

they canonized the ending for Fallout 4 they just didnt say it but they heavily implied it

[onyx pelican]

Lucy straight geeking lol

[simple rampart]

Already seeing some of it on twitter

[burnt grail]

hey does that mean my kill everything run is canon?

[steady night]

Let me correct that!
Trying to piss off no one and end up pissing off everyone.

[simple rampart]

Pretty much

[gray galleon]

We know either the minutemen or brotherhood ending is canon

[simple rampart]

I suppose, and it has been 20 years
But this is a place that survived this long

[gray galleon]

But everyone has their own headcanons about fnv so you're gonna piss someone off

[burnt grail]

guys i kind of ||like season 2 ||

[broken swallow]

I’m not even worried about Hanks plans tbh. There’s no one in the Mojave to be affected.

[steady night]

Vegas Strip you see in game is only less than a decade old

The city itself was just ruins before that

[gray galleon]

I mean they're gonna retake the strip more than likely considering the trailer footage

[simple rampart]

They better

[dull urchin]

the soundtrack for this show is fantastic

[simple rampart]

I’m not sure I like this outcome 😆

[eternal moth]

I actually like 76

[simple rampart]

Elder Maxson mentioned, guess he’s canon alive then

[gray galleon]

Screenshots of the trailer definitely hints of retaking the strip later on

[eternal moth]

The people are real nice and paired with p decent gameplay

[dull urchin]

it's pretty interesting how little attachment betty and steph have to vault tec after norm unfreezes the rest of the buds

[simple rampart]

Why is Steph evil now

[ripe nova]

These people were execs probably a level of ruthlessness

[broken swallow]

lol she really did just become a cunt out of nowhere

[ripe nova]

She likely has been all along

[ashen orchid]

she's Canadian
there's a reason why Canada was annexed.... lol

[dull urchin]

is betty supposed to be the good guy now

[simple rampart]

Just alittle more of one than Steph is

[broken swallow]

If they are all like Steph, I don’t feel bad for the prisoner in the first games opening

[ashen orchid]

a world without rules and without a geneva convention? Canada would be to powerfull for such a world!

[ashen orchid]

i think its funny that the first confirmed pre war Canadian we see is evil lmao

[dull urchin]

is this supposed to be a temporary ID into the U.S or a temporary ID into canada

[shrewd grotto]

Steph makes me feel things...

[lilac drum]

Nope
She is canadian

It literally states
United States Annexed state canada

[ashen orchid]

I love Steph i hope she'll be around for a long while lol

[foggy pendant]

Territory, not a state. Though it was annexed with so little time before the Great War, I wonder exactly how they planned that one out.

[eternal moth]

I love Dogmeat

(who doesnt)

[foggy pendant]

Treat a gigantic country like Puerto Rico? 😭

[ashen orchid]

its pre war US, they'd turn every canadian into a super mutant if it was beneficial

[broken swallow]

9 months is a lot of time. Classic bureaucracy.

[foggy pendant]

something something send the freshly-localized canadian government some vats of FEV because everyone gets FEV in the bethesdaverse

[steady night]

Britain, the little island it is, treated entire countries about five times its' size like that lol

[real shuttle]

I really don't know what to think of this episode tbh. It's like they're deliberately trying to wipe out every faction.

[simple rampart]

What have they done 😭

[dull urchin]

steph is probably working with hank and is gonna turn vault 33 into super mutants by poisoning their water supply with FEV I think

[simple rampart]

Same

[ashen orchid]

now all we need is the tunnelers!

[broken swallow]

It is amusing to see them wipe out everything that made NV a great game.

[dull urchin]

that's probably why norm tries to ask his dad what's gonna happen to the vault (in vault tec hq likely)

[simple rampart]

In an effort to not have a canon winner
We kill off everyone! 😕

[foggy pendant]

dust is real i cant believe it

[eternal moth]

US annexing Canada

[real shuttle]

Vegas dead. Forlorn hope dead. NCR vanished as far as we can see. Legion killing each other. BoS annihilating itself etc.

The fuck's gonna be left I mean what the fuck.

[steady night]

I mean I'll be fair
If they were ending the season right there, I'd be mad and disappointed

[real shuttle]

Yeah they're clearly gonna do something with it

But like... there's gonna be so little left

[simple rampart]

Nobody won at hoover dam
They damaged it so much it couldn’t be used

[steady night]

Yeah no way they don't

[ashen orchid]

the fans were to zealous about their little game they had to be wiped for the good of all of Fallout

[broken swallow]

Clean slate for fallout 5.

[eternal moth]

Caesar's death was a metaphorical nuke to Shady Sands to the Legion

[simple rampart]

Well now I don’t wanna play a new vegas remaster 😆

[eternal moth]

No one knows what happened to House yet

[ashen orchid]

the east coast 😎

[dull urchin]

y'all just got a chill, there's a lot of signs pointing towards a retaking of vegas and maybe the return of an NCR presence in the strip

[simple rampart]

It’s all over

[real shuttle]

The thing is when Caesar dies, the Legion dies. That was always gonna happen, it's a cult of personality and dictatorship.

But nothing else was like that.

The only thing was the NCR guys saying they'd be back or whatever

[foggy pendant]

now that the west coast is just as shitty and stone aged as the east, now the players can't complain about it. genius move todd

[real shuttle]

But like... they fuckin gone

[simple rampart]

Even if they do that
It probably means the ones who were there already are all dead

Like they’ve shown the kings are dead

[broken swallow]

You don’t have to fill settlements with interesting characters or quests if all the factions are dead.

[real shuttle]

Mate all of Vegas is gonna be dead, you can't live that close to deathclaws

That and why be there at all if deathclaws are moving in... if you didn't already move out to make space first

[simple rampart]

Small hope they some of them retreated to free side and they were somehow safe

[dull urchin]

free side seems to be doing well enough

[real shuttle]

We haven't seen it

Coop didn't even know a Deathclaw was gonna be in vegas

Freeside could be dead for all we know

[unborn nimbus]

honestly I don't care about NV being the best fallout game or anything. My point is that we need to feel NV is alive and inhabited instead of just empty wastelands with a few landmarks

[real shuttle]

He's like 250, he could have been there 30 years ago

[eternal moth]

Idk why people act the new season sours NV, as if that changes or recontexts NV in any way

[dull urchin]

based on the trailer footage

[steady night]

||Yet.
Leaks and trailers do show it||

[simple rampart]

It does abit

[real shuttle]

Ohhh ok I haven't seen the trailer yet.

[eternal moth]

everything that happens is way after NV

[simple rampart]

Only about 20 years

[dull urchin]

are we not allowed to talk about the trailers without spoiler tags

[broken swallow]

Less than the time between 2 and NV

[real shuttle]

Also I do think it sours NV because it goes "None of this matters in the end"

The big thing that keeps NV in discussion is people arguing about what's best for the wasteland etc.

Turns out, nothing.

They're all dead anyway.

[simple rampart]

I have no doubt Theyll go too the commonwealth and kill off all the characters I liked there too though

[eternal moth]

ONLY? do u know how long 20 years is

[steady night]

I just do it just in case

[simple rampart]

Uh…20 years?

[burnt grail]

he means like nv the game still works perfectly fine on its own even with everything the tv show introduces after

[simple rampart]

Exactly

[eternal moth]

Fallout 3 is almost 20yrs ago

[broken swallow]

The show doesn’t seem to understand how long 20 years is either.

[simple rampart]

Damn.. it is

The wastelands fates gonna be even worse

[shrewd grotto]

The ghoul will be the new ruler of the strip

[robust dragon]

Tbh New Vegas is a fairly cynical about ideology, the fact that its fans seem to have walked away with varying flavors of "Fuck Yeah NCR/Legion/House" is more an statement of how they engaged with it than the actual text.

[foggy pendant]

this is a pretty common bethesda writing trope so i would not be surprised

[ashen orchid]

Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 currently have the same thing but i dont see people complaining about that
Fallout 3 siding with the enclave means nothing
Fallout 4 siding with anyone except the BOS means nothing

[steady night]

I mean those types of conversations can still be held no problem

[simple rampart]

You can’t side with the enclave in 3?

[steady night]

Just like conversations about Fallout 3 or 4 can be held

Or about 1 or 2

[unborn nimbus]

it's like any other video game adaptation and you go into the tv show and realised all the locations are dead/killed off.

like live action adaptation of Pokemon games but all the towns in Pokemon are dead or something

[broken swallow]

I think they mean the vial you put in the purifier

[ashen orchid]

you can but Fallout 4 ensured that the enclave ending in 3 wasnt canon

[real shuttle]

They can - but they're soiled by the fact that it doesn't really pay off to anything.

[simple rampart]

Ah I forgot about that

[shrewd grotto]

Have we seen a single super mutant in the show so far?

[dull urchin]

thaddeus maybe

[foggy pendant]

putting the fev in the purifier is the "evil" choice, but the problem is, the game is so fucking black and white that the "evil" choice has no narrative justification for your character besides "comically evil 4 teh lulz"

[real shuttle]

NV is cynical with ideology but it understands in order to do that you need to be post post apocalypse.

You need factions to even have an ideology in the first place.

If every faction is dead and fucked, you can't really do that, you get stuck down in morality.

[steady night]

One was covered in the Enclave station, presumably for studying

[simple rampart]

I suppose the factions are not, completely dead
The khans are still there
The ncr still exists just they’re not in new vegas majorly now
Legion still exists, but it’s at war with itself

[dull urchin]

what was the enclave doing with the dogs again

[simple rampart]

Fkn ell, I messed up that up

[ashen orchid]

you can side with the railroad in 4 because its useless their ending isnt canon
siding with the institute is useless their ending isnt canon
having a debate on which faction is best for the commonwealth mean nothing either
i have seen no one complain about that only about NV

[real shuttle]

That's because Bethesda didn't exactly nail it with 4, there's no debate to be had, everyone's shit.

Instead of reasons to support one side you end up with reasons to not support the others. And that's not exactly a position you can hold with passion.

[broken swallow]

We also don’t directly see the commonwealth after the events of the game like we have the west and NV.

[real shuttle]

So you don't end up with debate, just general agreement as to who's shit.

Whereas with NV the factions (except Legion) had reasons to support them.

Hell even the Legion "did" but if you do support them because of those you're a fucking idiot.

[unborn nimbus]

the setting of fallout has been war never changes but humans can rebuild civilisation somehow even after all that

whereas the tv show seems to push for civilisation can never be rebuilt

[steady night]

I don't think will ever forget that argument

[real shuttle]

Fallout's had 2 styles for a while now. Post Apocalypse, and Post Post apocalypse.

Bethesda does the former.

They don't get Fallout's potential.

[foggy pendant]

Bethesda does the former, but sets it in a post-post apocalyptic timeframe. That's why metal shacks and sugar bombs from store shelves.

[real shuttle]

War never changes is about people always fighting no matter what, and that human nature will always cause it.

It's not about 2 guys fighting over a tin of beans, it's that no matter what, we create factions, and we fight.

It made Fallout 3 have a great feeling of desolation, but it utterly misses the potential of the universe.

[broken swallow]

That’s why 76 is lush and green while 3 is grey with green filter.

[real shuttle]

There's a million and one post apocalyptic things. There's one post post apocalypse.

And it was at its strongest in New Vegas.

[dull urchin]

that's why we need to get rid of the factions

hank was right...

[real shuttle]

It's the XKCD thing.

"There's 100 standards so I made one standard for everyone"

"There are now 101 standards"

[unborn nimbus]

fallout 3 can be excused because you can say east coast was more fucked than west coast. but since then, the tv show runners decided to make the west coast as fucked as the east coast

[steady night]

Tbf I have never seen the Mojave this green
Neither ingame or in the Google Maps photos they have of the area

[real shuttle]

No, you can't say that, because the writing said that and chose that. It's not fact. They chose to do it.

They chose to do it despite the universe's potential.

I do like fallout 3.

And 4. A lot. It's why I'm here and volunteered to admin.

But

It's like watching a mate sit on the sofa and get fat and not do anything.

You can enjoy going round and playing games with them, but you can be sad they're not doing better for themselves.

You know they can do better.

And now we appear to be getting the same 20 years after NV it's like... well what the fuck's the point, this is just mad max again.

I'll still like it and I like the humour and vibe and such but I can't help but feel disappointed.

[broken swallow]

Lmao nature is healing with the lack of any humans around.

[steady night]

Honestly I agree
I like me some functioning nations in the post-apocalypse
So functioning people even start calling them post-post-apocalyptic

[real shuttle]

They'll have to do something pretty special to pull an ending that'll make me happy out of this.

[wet thunder]

I’m loving it

[steady night]

What would be your ending then? Were you in charge, for example

[real shuttle]

I honestly don't know. Because I can't make it work.

The BoS is all killing each other. They're done for god knows how long.

They didn't even trust each other anyway.

Legion is in civil war in a tiny camp.

NCR has had like 2 people total.

There were more people in fucking Filly.

No-one's left in Vegas, at least from the episodes.

[eternal moth]

Whatever happened to the BoS Bunker tho

[real shuttle]

There's nothing to recover.

[eternal moth]

thats what i wanna know

[unborn nimbus]

I think the writers of tv show don't get the difference between fallout and a bazillion other post-apolapyse setting is you get to see humanity slowly rebuilding civilisations

[lusty ruin]

yeah i like filly had more citizens then this entire season

[steady night]

Area 51 or Hidden Valley?

[steady night]

Northern Los Angeles in general, actually