EPISODE 4

[sweet rock]

Betty definitely is aware of Hank’s plans but she clearly hasnt cared anymore due to being overseer for so many years she genuinely cares for the vault

[twin kelp]

I think so too I feel like everyone who’s been released for far is much more different

[sweet rock]

like she is doing everything she can to actually support people

[ripe nova]

And then presumably there were two unfrozen when the vault locked down

[sweet rock]

The Strip finale episode is probably gonna be of the Ghoul being like the courier. Allying with factions to fight the bad. Making friends with the Super Mutants and already with the NCR

[unkempt quartz]

them calling all the factions matching jackets is really fun

[twin kelp]

Maybe they go to jacobstown for help

[sweet rock]

It was the Ron Pearlman voice that said “well, you’re gonna need some friends”

[ripe nova]

And i pictured the ghoul declaring himself kaiser

[unkempt quartz]

damn the episodes been out less than 3 hours and we have 1000 messages in here

[bleak pine]

Just finished episode 4

[twin kelp]

That’s lowkey tuff

[charred shadow]

This has nothing to do with anything but I just noticed the Chinese Caesar pfp and laughed

[bleak pine]

lol the death claw episode 😄

[lean jasper]

The ncr rising again from the ashes will be so peak and I say this as a unbiased person

[sweet rock]

bros gonna have to build 40 more settlements in the next game

[twin kelp]

I say with my NCR support role

[lean jasper]

Ncr minutemen alliance will be peak too

[ripe nova]

Do you think we will see or here maxson

[unkempt quartz]

I'm being goofy right, tha'ts not a sequoia on the left?

[opal tiger]

not at all, lol i think the BOS story is done

[sweet rock]

i believe next season is going to adapt more of the narrative beats of Fallout 3.

[twin kelp]

He was already mentioned but BOS story is done

[opal tiger]

hunting revolver

[unkempt quartz]

in the top back?

[lean jasper]

Maxon was mentioned this episode so he’s still around and kicking

[opal tiger]

yeah, sequoia is more decorated, with black and gold

[sweet rock]

except instead of Lyons its Maxson and hes probably more reasonable than Quintus. and the Enclave showing up

[unkempt quartz]

how did I not notice there were 3 people at the ncr camp

[sweet rock]

Maxson would def be the one to straighten up the rival chapters and put quintus in his place

I mean Quintus would probably melt if he saw the descendent of Roger Maxson

[twin kelp]

I’m so disappointed in quintas I thought he was smarter

[bleak pine]

heh ol Betty must regret splitting vault 33 now lol. I suspect 32 and 333 going to have some civil wars

[ripe nova]

I assume he knows who he is rebelling against

[sweet rock]

Yea but i think its much different versus meeting him in person

Like I dont think Quintus probably has met Maxson

[lean jasper]

We outta send those brotherhood raiders back to the Stone Age and have them cowering in bunkers tbh

[ripe nova]

I must admit the commonwealth not pulling the liberty prime card is odd

[lean jasper]

Maybe that’s why they need cold fusion

[opal tiger]

Did you really?

[unkempt quartz]

love it

[gleaming venture]

crazy

[sweet rock]

Like if they are gonna introduce maxson in season 3. They will probably make the brotherhood somehow redeemable. Because the narrative beats of fallout 3 or 4 is even tho the brotherhood was always bad, they at least had some resemblance of heroism. Plus they are the only ones fit enough to fight the Enclave if they are the villains next season

[lean jasper]

Ugh I need the next episode already

[gleaming venture]

Real

[twin kelp]

Thought he was a genius the way he spoke to Maximus and realized the brotherhood was failing

[opal tiger]

Why would they? They don't need to, I said this initially. Assuming Maxson was watching them to begin with - which explains how Xander came to them so quickly, and had knowledge of the meeting before hand - There's no reason for them to deply Liberty Prime. Xander's MERE presence, made them all fold and immediately change their tunes.

[sweet rock]

Liberty Prime is probably only one of a kind rn

[opal tiger]

And Xander technically didn't do anything, besides just be there.

[sweet rock]

sure they made so many airships but i dont think they made more than one Prime

[opal tiger]

It's their trump card, you never show or throw out your best asset first.

[ripe nova]

More just the threat than actually bringing it

[grand copper]

Ain't you lot got work or school, we over 1k messages in here already god damn

[sweet rock]

Its why we need Enclave and NCR+BOS team up. It would be PEAK

[opal tiger]

Nah, cause we see from this episode Xander WAS the threat. lol

[pale depot]

I'm a bit late but I think they might go to the followers, they do go to the wrangler and you can organise a deal between the Garrett twins and the followers

[lean jasper]

Liberty prime being the proverbial elephant in the room lmao

[ripe nova]

Honestly that would be an interesting twist the enclave infiltrating the ncr senate

[twin kelp]

I got school but I’m a senior so lowkey might just skip

[sweet rock]

like the NCR and Brotherhood will always come together if the enclave is involved

[gleaming venture]

Xander was lowky a joke as a person but his role & it's presence made up for it

[sweet rock]

Its the objective evil of both of them

[twin kelp]

Maybe the followers cure lucy

[pale depot]

Hoover dam much?

[ripe nova]

Like say a new ncr forms and its senators end up mirroring the us government before the war including enclave members

[opal tiger]

I mean I agree, but my point is that the Commonwealth is so feared, that Xander showing up was all it took for them to get scared and switch sides. lol

[gleaming venture]

Yeah

[lean jasper]

Honestly for fo4 related stuff, I just want to know that the minutemen are still around and kicking and doing good

[pale depot]

That's what I'm thinking, not gonna happen though cause civilisation can't exist apparently

[opal tiger]

[sweet rock]

They are probably fighting the brotherhood imo

[opal tiger]

Noooooooooo shot. lol

[sweet rock]

Like Xander saying its rough in the commonwealth is a clear sign Minutemen are artillery barraging some tin cans

[gleaming venture]

Like while Thadeuss was pretending to be Xander he had 2 whole Elders trying to talk to him to get on the commonwealths good side

[sweet rock]

Like who else is gonna mess with the BOS unless its some new faction or hell maybe Enclave related

[gleaming venture]

I feel like him saying it was rough out there was either a major exaggeration or a lie tbh

[opal tiger]

He was lying to manipulate Maximus, he was playing into his good nature and trying to get him to hand over Cold Fusion cause the Commonwealth wanted it in the first place. I don't think Xander was actively feeding important information.

[opal tiger]

This, 10000% this.

[foggy crane]

Lucy’s character just got 20 times better

[lean jasper]

The bos is struggling with completing all the quests Preston gives them tbh

[opal tiger]

Exactly.

[pale depot]

I think he was bullshitting and it's just an excuse for more power, why would they have spare suits lmao and why is he so dripped out

[sweet rock]

I dont think he was lying because it would be intriguing to show why Maxson shows up in season 3 for the Cold Fusion himself

[gleaming venture]

-# & then one of the elders stabbed the other lol

[sweet rock]

It would make sense on how to introduce him

[pale depot]

Helios one?

[opal tiger]

Brother, we don't even know if Maxson is showing up.

[gleaming venture]

I don't think we'll see him till at least s3 if at all

[sweet rock]

lets be real nobody remembers helios one imo at this point besides Elijah and hes def dead

[foggy crane]

They made the deathclaws SO buff it’s insane

[gleaming venture]

I think he'll be brought up more tho

[opal tiger]

|| Season 3 is gonna focus on building the foundation for Fallout 5, it's probably not gonna touch much of Boston related stuff. ||

[opal tiger]

No way, I'll bet money on it he doesn't make it into the show.

[gleaming venture]

My guess is it'll build up the context for ||fallout 5||

[opal tiger]

I think they'll talk about him, or mention him.

[pale depot]

Elder McNamara?, but honestly you're right we should've have more of that in the game, they wouldn't forget, no one forgot bitter springs

[opal tiger]

Yeah, I agree.

[gleaming venture]

Least with the factions states, prolly not the main story

Like it'll show us how the factions are by then but not completely why they're there

[charred shadow]

|| I like the idea of releasing season 3 decades before Fallout 5 comes out. It will be like the teaser for TES VI||

[sweet rock]

Sure xander could be bluffing but like why bluff anyway. Hes not bluffing imo that he could beat maximus in a fight. Hes a paladin. He got snuck from behind by Maximus which was a surprise

[foggy crane]

I believe when maximus locked the elder in the room the elder will die because currently the brotherhood is tearing each others throats out and they won’t realise he’s in there

[ripe nova]

How did the helios control end up in freeside

[gleaming venture]

I reckon he might make some cameo appearance at either the end of s2 or even s3 from a sorta distance & we'll only see his shadowed figure

[opal tiger]

He's bluffing to get the relic that the Commonwealth wanted original, purely because they were supposed to technically give it to the Commonwealth anyway. lol

[sweet rock]

Like the commonwealth for this season has played a part for the show

[opal tiger]

Remember, the Hunt for Wilzig CAME from the Commonwealth.

[sweet rock]

why waste it on just one paladin when they can further development

[pale depot]

He probably thought Maximus was a strong believer in the codex

[opal tiger]

They ordered Quintus to hunt him down, I imagine, the Commonwealth, kinda wants their relic. lol

[gleaming venture]

He just walks out days later & they all freeze just for him to die of dehydration or a heart attack or something lol

[sweet rock]

like i hope the commonwealth makes more of an appearance next season because its more interesting once the civil war ends

[opal tiger]

they sent men over from the Prydwen to get it and last I checked. Wasn't Knight Titus bitching about finding Toaster ovens, and just complaining the Wasteland sucks? He didn't mention anything about Boston, or the Brotherhood fighting people in the Commonwealth.

[pale depot]

I'm kinda sick of the brotherhood why do they have to be in every single game, heck their name appears in the title of 2 games already

[opal tiger]

Yeah like the show is focusing on the West, I want more Western developments, it'd be dumb if they try and shoehorn in Maxson specifically.

[gleaming venture]

Theres a good chance apart of the commonwealth chapter isn't even in the main parts of the commonwealth from f04 & more out west from the games map as they expand around that area

[sweet rock]

i mean why would he. He didnt talk to maximus much

[opal tiger]

He's from Boston, he has a Boston accent. lol He would know.

[sweet rock]

Like why’s he gonna release his origins to a dude that needs to give him a stimpak

Xander was tryna charisma check maximus

[opal tiger]

Nah I imagine if you're dying and bitching about specifics of the Brotherhood - you choose clerics, but not mention is your faction is fighting a war?

[pale depot]

I'm ok with the show but please why do they have to destroy every rebuilt part of civilisation, I thought the whole point of fallout was rebuilding

[foggy crane]

I love Lucy’s character so much more now that she’s actually doing something

[gleaming venture]

Meh, maybe, but tbf that dosen't mean he'd have to have been in boston much, most of the chapter would prolly have an accent by now

[charred shadow]

I hate it too but it's Todd's favorite faction (literally)

[sweet rock]

i dont think bros gonna start monologuing how his chapter is in trouble and shits gone down in the commonwealth when hes busy dying and complaining about the present

[pale depot]

They gotta include that fallout 4 painting with todd on it

[opal tiger]

I disagree, but that's just me. I don't buy the Commonwealth being in trouble one bit, I genuinely think Xander was lying.

[sweet rock]

that be so weak imo

[pale depot]

Todd is going to be the shadowy enclave figure from the board meeting in season one I'm calling it

[white glade]

It's def comfirmed in ep 3 that Maxson is still alive and in charge of the commonwealth brotherhood (and de facto the rest of the chapters). Though for the relevance it has on the show, it might as well confirm the queen of england is still alive

[opal tiger]

This.

[sweet rock]

Xander lying just to get maximus to hand over the cold fusion when the writers know how juicy it is to get some fallout 4 lore

[opal tiger]

It's literally a tease, like majority of the stuff is referencing other games, it ain't that deep.

[sweet rock]

yea but like Maxson name drop is deep

[opal tiger]

People get lost in their headcanon and get mad when it doesn't play out how they envisioned.

[gleaming venture]

I don't think they're in any real trouble but I think they'll still be doing alot of work in the commonwealth, & I'm willing to guess (assuming bos ending is cannon) they're working with the minutemen agianst some threat like the gunners since by the time of f04 they're decently geared

[sweet rock]

Like this show’s dialogue is smart it knows what its doing

[rocky monolith]

I really don't understand why they made the Kings Ghoulified. It doesn't add anything to the story at all

[gleaming venture]

Nothing they can't handle, more just a reason as to why they haven't moved on from the area much

[rocky monolith]

But man that Alaska Sequence was cool as hell

[sweet rock]

Its getting fans hooked because they start saying little teases to get u

[white glade]

Naw it's just establishing both time and an easter egg for people who've played the games (which is only like half the viewership I'd wager)

nothing more imho

[rocky monolith]

both literally and figuratively

[opal tiger]

Not really he mentioned Roger, and Arthur, it's just them being named drop? || If the Fallout 5 leaks are true, and it's taking place in San Fran, all of this is irrelevant anyway. ||

[pale depot]

Nuh uh we gotta destroy all civilisation cause war doesn't change or somethin

[sweet rock]

confirming basically 2 possible endings for fo4 is a big deal

[white glade]

Liked that the PLA officer was a women, and their casual loathing of their own higher officers

[sweet rock]

like lets not even try and downplay fallout 4 just because its a lesser fallout game. Thats like actually cool

[white glade]

and how shit early power armour was lol

[opal tiger]

Yeah, I agree, this is what I mean like folks get to lost in the sauce then get disappointed. Majority of this is surface level stuff for fans, and normies, the show is mostly geared towards people who don't understand the major lore implications. So it's not gonna be THAT deep.

[pale depot]

It's like confirming the fallout 1 ending

[sweet rock]

Elder Maxson confirmation is development for fallout 4’s events

like ofc we should be excited

[rocky monolith]

They should have turned to camera and screamed "NEW VEGAS ISN'T CANON" for the entire rest of the episode. Total Cinema that would have been

[gleaming venture]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I could have sworn there was an airship in that alaskan sequece

[white glade]

Oh it did do that, and that is a major deal for the games. But for the show, it's pure background

[lean jasper]

Enough about the BoS how about how the the glorious two headed bear flag will fly over the Mojave once more

[sweet rock]

shows for fans and new viewers

[rocky monolith]

There are a bunch of airships pre war for no reason. Seems like the VFX just copied and pasted in order to fill the skies

[pale depot]

I actually really like the show but yeah this is my biggest gripe, i think people would find it more interesting to see how people rebuild than people never being able to rebuild

[gleaming venture]

There's been like 2 so far but I just don't like the retconning of the airships being pre war

[sweet rock]

Like the show is basically the only content we have gotten that further develops fallout’s lore

[gleaming venture]

If it had been a thing for a few games or least mentioned in f04 I prolly would have been fine with it but Ion like it as a retcon

[sweet rock]

We have not gotten a new single player fallout game in like 10 years and 8 for fo76

Like yea ofc some are gonna be excited

[rocky monolith]

At least Freeside seems to going as well as it did in New Vegas (not very)

[opal tiger]

Yes but it's developing lore for || Fallout 5 specifically, it's building towards the West, not the East. ||

[white glade]

They do seem to be setting up the NCR as I do hate to say it, generic good guys (really the only faction that could fill that role in fallout) and I do think we're in for a reveal later on that they're far stronger than what we've seen. The other factions have all been presented as in civil war, so it makes narrative sense the NCR will turn out to be both at large and unified.

Tldr; Think the potrayal of the NCR right now is a bait and switch

[sweet rock]

ofc its developing lore for fo5. Where else is it gonna go

Fo4 develops off the events of fo3. thats what sequals do

[pale depot]

You just know they're gonna have fisto in the next episode cause funny robot guy says funny line

[gleaming venture]

The shows great but I think they should develop more side content outside of the show & games such as making novels on side stories to develop parts of the wasteland not directly tied to the games

[opal tiger]

I agree.

[gleaming venture]

We've got some graphic mini novels like the puppet vault guy but full on novels would be sick

[lean jasper]

I could see the nuking of shady sands being a sort of thing to make the ncr get its act together

[sweet rock]

Sure i agree but the shows specifically has been what is essentially like a new game for us all.

[gleaming venture]

It'd be a great way to get a larger audience while providing new forms of content that can be pushed out between games

[rocky monolith]

The show is better than my expectations but it does seem like for some parts they use nostalgia baiting as cover for mediocre writing. Nothing particularity egregious yet but it is noticeable

[gleaming venture]

Yeah lol

[white glade]

And there's still the Hub, San Fran, etc - the NCR was(/hopefully is) an actual nation state, not just shady sands

[sweet rock]

Like im sure maybe amazon will milk fallout and do spin offs like the boys

[white glade]

It's been more noticable this season, as I think the showrunners and writers have been forced more to deal with the game's lore

[pale depot]

I wish they made all the factions in the show less sorta simplified and mainstream, house is billionares are evil cartoon villains, ncr is good guys that never win, khans are generic raider cannon fodder for the protags to kill for spectacle, bos is in the show cause they have to be like come on

[sweet rock]

But it seems like it was in Bethesda’s interest to use the show as a way to give a sequal-like experience of Fallout games on a different medium because the next game isnt out until like 5-6 years from now

[opal tiger]

Not only that, the West hasn't gotten proper development in such a long time. Even me, a long time brotherhood fan - doesn't want any involvement from the East tbh.
It should be somewhat of a new slate, NCR lost territory, new factions can move in or get built, we can potentially get a stronger/better NCR now that they have less territory to focus on and can focus on reestablishing themselves.

Bringing in the Commonwealth on a large scale is such a stupid idea for that. Which is one on the reasons, I think that Xander was lying, and because it looks like the civil war just solved itself. It's possible that Maxson later decides he wants to invade for Cold Fusion specifically but that's debatable.

[white glade]

Kind of agreed. They've treated the BOS, as they're a main faction, with more nuance than the NCR but I would argue that's an issue of screen time, and the fact right now the NCR are least being presented as basically fallout's answer to the republic of china

[pale depot]

On another note I genuinely loved the t45 in the show it looked so nice, but visor up didn't really get to see much of that beautiful helmet

[sweet rock]

while i agree the west coast hasnt. Its clear the show just wants to branch out into every Fallout game than just New Vegas fans. Like showing Anchorage is pretty clear they want to touch on content Bethesda has made

[gleaming venture]

I mean tbf while the commonwealth chapter is powerful they still need more stuff, & with almost all of it's known controlled chapters basically nuking themselves in a civil war while cold fusion's been taken & is at a great risk of getting yoinked by some other faction now I think it makes sense as to why the commonwealth may come in on a larger scale

[sweet rock]

Im not saying they should just make a show in the East but i also think theres nothing wrong bringing good aspects from the east to the west

[opal tiger]

Eh, the Commonwealth has more Eastern Chapters under their belt.

[twin kelp]

I just noticed ur hammer down tag that’s awesome

[gleaming venture]

Yeah, I actually own the server as it's a faction for a game lol

[opal tiger]

If we're trusting what Proctor Quinlan says in Fallout 4 as truth, then Maxson has a dozen absorbed into his ranks?

Not counting the Western ones.

[gleaming venture]

Chapters?

[sweet rock]

like I have a feeling the Enclave when they are shown off will probably wear X-02 power armor from Fallout 3 a lot more than the advanced just because thats bethesda’s vision of the enclave rlly

[opal tiger]

Yes, Proctor Quinlan specifically says Maxson asborbed other eastern Chapters.

[sweet rock]

we havent gotten advanced power armor since fallout NV

[gleaming venture]

I lowky wanna get that voiceline in game now because I don't think I've heard it before (or I forgot)

[white glade]

Units for lack of better term, but autonomous. Like regional governments. Maxson has combined them into one unified eastern command by the events of fallout 4

[gleaming venture]

Welp theres my reason to start another playthrough

[pale depot]

I wouldn't mind that as long as we have the apa from fallout 2 I'm happy

[gleaming venture]

That much is obvious but to what extent since I don't recall the amount of chapters present (& likely merged) on the east coast ever being stated

[white glade]

hence why in this episode other chapters were bending over backwards to please the commonwealth, they hold probably half of the brotherhoods military power? What would've been a dozen eastern reps was just Xander for the commonwealth

[sweet rock]

it would imo make a lot of sense releasing a Fallout 3 remastered on a season that hints at lot about fallout 3 or 4 just for one season

[opal tiger]

Proctor Quinlan goes into lengths about Maxson's army stretching across the Eastern Seaboard.

[pale depot]

Fallout 3 remaster would be so dope, I hope they do include the mechanics from new vegas in there too though that would be great

[sweet rock]

like Bethesda had a missed opportunity to get a remastered New Vegas this season

[opal tiger]

Yeah, the thing to remember to is Maxson is an expansionist but his goal is a unified Brotherhood. Because he knows how fractured they've been. He's also the defacto High Elder atm. He just has a different title. Supreme Commander.

He's pretty much doing High Elder duties, and has authority in everything but title itself.

[pale depot]

I feel like 3 needs a remaster more tho tbh, nv doesn't have the greatest gameplay but to me feels like quite an improvement over 3's

[sweet rock]

i would like a 3 remaster but with the new vegas hype this season. They missed the chance to fit the hype

Like fo3 remaster will be cool but also like i hope theres also some fallout 3 related content in other places

[opal tiger]

I encourage you to talk to all the Brotherhood characters at lengths, do their quests, and speak to them about Maxson. It's super interesting what they have to say about him - given he's so young, too. He's only 20 as of Fallout 4.

[white glade]

Even with title, it's not like any chapter (except for Maximus', until he just fucked that in this ep lol) had power to truly unify. At best, they could get fuedal fear/loyalty from other chapters, but it's an impossibility to rule over a place that is a month's travel away

At least, in terms of true unified control

[pale depot]

Master?!?

[sweet rock]

season 3 or 4 is just Maximus shooting maxson cause he seems to have to just kill the next person in power lol

[gleaming venture]

Yeah I've done countless playthroughs on f04 I'm prolly just forgetting alot of the specfic dialog since it's been a couple years

[opal tiger]

Agreed.
Like no one else could actually do it, his bloodline helps.
But overall, Maxson is a good leader for the Brotherhood. Given his ideals are a mix of Roger and Owyn Lyons'.

[opal tiger]

I'll grab the quotes for you, if you want

[gleaming venture]

Yeah thanks

[pale depot]

Funny thing I don't talk to the brotherhood I usually just like seeing the prydwen fireworks

[gleaming venture]

Lol

[sweet rock]

I just laugh as they die to farmers and artillery

[pale depot]

And I've done quite a few playthroughs of 4, most of em end in a firework show

[twin kelp]

Heresy

[pale depot]

Sounding like the prophet of truth over here lol

[opal tiger]

"As of 2287, Elder Maxson's reign in the Capital Wasteland was uncontested, and his authority and influence were spreading across the East Coast. The Prydwen was a key element of the Brotherhood's power projection, rallying people to his cause. In addition, Maxson had been in contact with other chapters over the years. In the words of Proctor Quinlan, who documented Maxson's rise, "he has the full support of the Elders back on the West Coast, who have proudly reported that they've begun eradicating cults that have popped up, worshipping Maxson as though he's some kind of god." Maxson was offended by the idea of being deified, as it went against his beliefs. He is satisfied with being, again in Proctor Quinlan's words, "the perfect human specimen, an example of everything a human being can achieve. Assisted, even enhanced, by advanced technology, but still very much human."
Maxson's authority is reinforced by his accomplishments, growing the Brotherhood in the East from a moribund group of complacent stragglers occupying a single Citadel into a major military force capable of projecting power along the Eastern Seaboard. Thanks to his tenacity and singular vision, the men that serve under his command do so with pride and unmatched loyalty, with one soldier mentioning they were ready to invade hell itself."

[gleaming venture]

I feel like if Maxson is able to further unite the bos by a later game we could see a major plot point of the bos getting close to or focusing on being able to develop power armour frames as opposed to just pieces
(I don't recall the brotherhood being able to manufacture actual frames as the chinese couldn't even reverse engineer them to do it)

Like I'm pretty sure that Pre-war America were the only ones able to manufacture the actual power armour frames as they developed them

[opal tiger]

My lore in PA is lacking, but my basic understanding is that the BOS reverse-engineered their T45s into T60s.

[gleaming venture]

Pieces are fairly easy compared to frames since literal raiders have been able to make scrap iterations of pieces

[pale depot]

t60s were retconned into being the best pre war design for pa

[gleaming venture]

But a working frame was such a closely guarded secret pre war no ones been able to make em since
-# For now..

[opal tiger]

I actually don't think so - we had this discussion the other day. But I'm not too knowledgeable on PA lore. @lilac drum would be the one to confirm or deny that.

[twin kelp]

Greatest prophet btw

[gleaming venture]

I'm guessing you got this from the wiki?

[opal tiger]

Actually wait I know this isn't true cause 76 retconned it.

[pale depot]

On a fallout 4 loading screen tip it says this to the best of my memory, I may be wrong but I'm 99% certain

[mortal perch]

I feel like "best" is subjective. T60 looks like an upgrade package to the t45, as why would you go back to the pauldrons when the t51 had an arguably better design. We know corporate America was cheap, so t51 was probably too expensive to order in huge numbers like the t60.

[opal tiger]

Yeah, it's the information you find in-game.

[pale depot]

I mean I love 76 but like the games got so many sets of power armour I feel like half of them can't be canon, tho I could see the excavator being plausible

[gleaming venture]

It's something along the lines of being the latest to be produced pre war & was the most advanced model n active use/deployment (in America) shortly before the bombs

[mortal perch]

Now it might offer superior protection to the T45, while being cheaper than t51, which is why that might've been ordered in larger numbers

[opal tiger]

Unfortunately lol, I thought so too but they are.

[gleaming venture]

Could you send the wiki link by any chance?

[opal tiger]

Yeah sure.

[opal tiger]

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur_Maxson

[twin kelp]

I’m pretty sure u can read this in game

[white glade]

Medieval plate armour looks like an upgrade from the t-45 from what we saw

[gleaming venture]

Alot of 76 isn't cannon, I think it'd be safe to assume if it isn't in a story quest or location it may not be cannon

[gleaming venture]

Yeah but with the wiki link I'll know where to find it in game

[opal tiger]

about that lol

[pale depot]

I agree

[white glade]

I would much rather be a normal infantryman than a power armour soldier during the great war, if the the T-45 was that shit

[mortal perch]

The t45 still protected him

[white glade]

the fuck is the point of power armour if you can't move your arm or one small arm shot disables your leg?

[gleaming venture]

It was decent but if someone got lucky & hit a flaw or knew how to exploit one then you were pretty fucked

[pale depot]

I mean he would've been even more cooked without it

[robust dragon]

T-45 was a rushed prototype, T-51 was the real deal that helped win Anchorage

[opal tiger]

As far as I know Bethesda has confirmed all of 76 is canon, even if it trampled over old lore - they labeled it as adding more context. And also because surprisingly, a lot of 76 is showing up in the show, too.

[mortal perch]

They did spray over 90 rounds into him, the sheer kinetic force probably overwhelmed the already taxed servos

[pale depot]

And how was Charlie white knife supposed to save him wtihout it

[gleaming venture]

I mean some stuff like alot of non lore content eg pa paints/cosmetics

[white glade]

Wdym? If you mean with the deathclaw, it recognized him as an US soldier and moved on. It was a genetically engineered weapon of the US army, we knew that already, the obvious subtext was it's friend/foe recognition - hell just pure overt text

[mortal perch]

I mean against the reds, any normal armor would've failed

[opal tiger]

Even then, those are somewhat canon too. In regards to the atomic shop, how they base what's canon and what isn't is based on what sells. It's why the RobCo robo dog is now canon that was introduced solely through the cash shop as a collectron skin.

But it sold well, and people liked it. So popularity in that specific department - is what dictates it.

You actually see it in this episode lol

The robco dog is in the corner

[gleaming venture]

Weren't they already considered cannon due to stuff like rex in f0nv?

[pale depot]

Nah that's a robco cat

[gleaming venture]

Least inferenced

[white glade]

I will continue in my hot take the more the show goes on, the more the chinese seem to be the good guys

[opal tiger]

No, Rex was an entire different lore concept and idea. The RobCo dog is something specific.

[pale depot]

No you're right because capitalism bad

[white glade]

The PLA was trying to liberate the oppressed american proletariat, under the fascist rule of the enclave, into socialism and democracy

[opal tiger]

I imagine the cat will be next.

[mortal perch]

The same good guys who killed non Chinese agents in the food factory? The same Chinese who killed their own agents and gave their family extra rations in return?

The Chinese were just as shitty

[gleaming venture]

I wonder if we could get a glimpse into canada in a steph flashback

[white glade]

I mean, the entire point of all the games in some way is "capitalism is fucking dog shit, but it's better than this hobbesian nightmare post nukes"

[opal tiger]

I hope. But I wonder who she's working for 🤔

[pale depot]

I bet she's the power armour soldier who shot the Canadian along with nate laughing

[white glade]

Never once has pre-war american been shown to be anything but a fasistic hellhole, but compared to the post nuclear apocalypse of course it looks great

[gleaming venture]

so far our only real content actually showing canada directly has been the lone wander fuckig blasting them from an alien mothership

[pale depot]

Enclave!!!

[gleaming venture]

& that

[white glade]

I'm sure people in 350AD were pining for the days of 250AD during the final days of the empire, when there were still aqueducts and highways

[pale depot]

Season 3 big bad steph with the Enclave I'm callin it

[gleaming venture]

Also it's not confirmed to be Nate, that was a writers head cannon, not offical cannon

[orchid pond]

Steph is most likely a communist spy to toss that angle in

[mortal perch]

Dude really thinks the communism in the show is good, the system is just as shit as capitalism

[orchid pond]

it wasnt the writers headcanon, he joked about it and people took it seriously, lol

[gleaming venture]

In the follow up tweet he made about the joke he stated it as a head cannon no?

[pale depot]

So many people got offended but I thought it was pretty funny

[orchid pond]

fallout fans struggle with whats canon or not, some people dont think 76 is canon because it isnt called fallout 5, as an example

[orchid pond]

... yeah, because people mistook it for being serious and not a joke, the fallout fanbase has maxed out the fake outrage trait.

(they also cant read, which is another big problem)

[gleaming venture]

crazy

Wonder if we're going to get any references to any player characters in the show

Don't think theres been any yet-

[white glade]

Watch the "everyone dies" ending of FNV be canon

[gleaming venture]

Only ones we could possibly get would be the courier & the sole survivor

[white glade]

and we just hear tales of this nigh unstoppable machine killing everybody known only as "the courier"

[ornate dagger]

The only canon that matters to me is mine and Nate IS a war criminal

[pale depot]

Homicidal boomers bomb everyone ending

[gleaming venture]

I think if we get a courier reference it'll be fairly subtle & might go over a few peoples heads

[lilac drum]

I am busy watching!

[pale depot]

The 2 9mms sure didn't

[white glade]

Probably will be a house throwaway line

[orchid pond]

yes man ending is most likely it seems like, lol

[gleaming venture]

If we get a sole survivor reference it'll deffo be through a mention of either the minutemen general, a bos mentioning some guy in a vault suit back in boston, or the bos mentioning their sentinel

[white glade]

"If that fucking mailman could've done his job"

[orchid pond]

seeing how no faction seems to be alive

and i dont think we are going to get any fo4 references since well, Xander got bonked

[pale depot]

Some line about how a package courier was shot in the head at goodsprings and shortly died because yes

[white glade]

They can't write out the courier, not without a major retcon of FNV which doesn't seem in the cards

hell any ending is plausible rn, with shit hitting the fan after.

[twin kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/enclave-fallout-propaganda-76-gif-1832661275352466615

I beg to differ

[ornate dagger]

The enclave was never in fallout 4 apart from a mod

[pale depot]

Ah yes my favourite fallout 4 faction

[twin kelp]

Bro I don’t get how none of yall did that quest with the enclave operating in the commonwealth

[pale depot]

Iconic for being the cover art of the game

[ornate dagger]

That isn’t canon

[twin kelp]

I did it u get a tesla canon from it im pretty sure i never once installed mods and I did it on Xbox there is an enclave quest in fallout 4

[mortal perch]

We did see the legion in camp McCarran in the ending slide

[twin kelp]

No but I didn’t use a mod there’s like an actual quest for them it’s not America rising and your not on their side

And then at the end of the fight a vertibird fights you I swear to god I sound crazy but I know what I’m talking about

[ornate dagger]

It’s creation club

[twin kelp]

Is that not canon then?

[white glade]

Technically it was an official bethesda expansion, I got it for free with an update not even realizing it

[ornate dagger]

50/50 canon

[twin kelp]

It’s not America rising

[white glade]

it's up to debate - is the gospel of thomas canon?

[twin kelp]

It’s something else are you referencing America rising?

[ornate dagger]

Dude

We are referring to the same thing

[pale depot]

Wait a moment they mentioned coca cola in a song does that mean it's canon

[gleaming venture]

Weren't the creation club enclave mods that were made free from the next gen update made partly cannon?

[ornate dagger]

Yea a lot of things were made free

Not canon though

[gleaming venture]

I swear I remember reading that the ones practically added to f04 through the next gen update were in part cannon

[twin kelp]

I’m getting the Dave’s hot chicken thing tdy

[lilac drum]

Alright im done

SO @opal tiger
Why did you ping me
What is urgent?

[lilac drum]

No
It never was retconned ever
Only in fallout 4 was it retconned but in 76 they fixed it

[white glade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiayZdPESno naw just a song that fits the fallout aethestic and cultural time period. Though in my mind, I associate this song with Mafia 2 lol

[twin kelp]

We’re T60 made pre war or post war I never knew this

[lilac drum]

Nope
It was never confirmed how the BoS exactly got a massive number of T-60
The only reason you stating reverse engineered is techinally due to how similar T-45 and T-60 are and i made an assumption that due to how similar they are, the BoS could in theory managed to find a way to upgrade their existatnacing T-45 into T-60, either through reverse engineer or schematics they found

[lilac drum]

Pre-war
They were in production only months before the nukes came

[twin kelp]

Then what the fuck is T65

Isn’t that the secret service armor

[ornate dagger]

Schematics

It never even went into production just plans

[lilac drum]

I have no idea
That is 76 exclusive but from what i read
It was just a one time thing

Its meant for secret service
Nothing more
The major power armors are the T-45, T-51, and T-60

[ornate dagger]

It’s apart of a quest where you break into a vault full of gold, every time you get gold you get to trade it in for some plans to make the armor

The secret service is guarding the gold

[lilac drum]

You break into a vault of gold?
No wonder why i heard the economy in 76 is broken

[ornate dagger]

Theres an economy?

[lilac drum]

Apparently from what i read

But you guys broke it so hard that there is no economy

[ornate dagger]

Im pretty sure you can’t actually trade the gold

it’s like a currency similar to caps or atom points,

[grand copper]

Its gold bullion , but what has this got to do with ep 4

[lilac drum]

Yeah
I came in here to discuss ep4 and i got pinged for PA lore
And i was about to mention how cool it was that the T-45 actually malfunction and showed how rushed the PA was

[mortal perch]

I feel bad for the Lyons chapter of the BOS if t45 is that shitty though, superior to regular combat armor, but god the malfunctions

[lilac drum]

I think its that actually shitty but its cleared that they got crashed and were lucky to be alive

[ornate dagger]

How the fuck did they beat the enclave and super mutant forces

[white glade]

It's an economy in which bethesda ignores the actual forces of the economy and just enforces set prices like it's warlord era china

[lilac drum]

Enclave?
Liberty prime
Super mutant force?
Sheer will power, skill and a whole lot of bodies

People forget the T-45 is that bad when i did PA lore XD

The T-45 was rushed into production
They did not have time to test everything and had to create something

[gleaming venture]

Think you're forgetting the rando in a vault suit casually clearing half of the enclave forces

[ornate dagger]

I wasn’t thinking of liberty prime when I said that ngl

[lilac drum]

That also but lets be fair
The protaganist will always crush everything

[ornate dagger]

liberty prime is pretty forgettable

[lilac drum]

I...
Idk how you forget that

[ornate dagger]

Idk hes just forgettable

[lilac drum]

A robot that yells communist should be dead and throws nukes is forgettable to you...

[ornate dagger]

Yea

[lilac drum]

You know what never mind
I realised this isnt even related to ep4 discussion

Where was i?
Oh right yeah
I was gonna mention how very trigger friendly lucy has suddendly become

[white glade]

Great character development imo - her whole experience with the legion has kind of put a few holes in her "golden rule" idea

[lilac drum]

Yeah although to be fair
Lucy is on drugs right now XD

[white glade]

she's now on the more maoist "those who have committed evil against the proletariat and mankind must pay, via all means needed" bent lmao

Not quite that but she seems far more John Brown than Abe Lincoln now

[lilac drum]

Even the ghoul was like:
WOW SLOW DOWN THERE!

[white glade]

I knew it was fucked when Lucy was gun ho and the Ghoul looked legit terrified

Btw, just me, but we should probably call the Ghoul Cooper or Howard or something. Obviously the same person, even if nobody else knows it

[lilac drum]

I just prefer to call him the ghoul

Beside The ghoul sound better than saying his name
It also seperate him
The ghoul being the wasteland
Cooper being pre-war
Same person but different eras

Also
I am so glad they finally confirmed that its actually elder maxson cause i was so confused on what the hell was the commonwealth BoS
I know it was from elder maxson but it just felt weird calling them the commonwealth

[hidden fractal]

I gotta ask, was that the King with the guitar? If so, RIP

[twin kelp]

Unfortunately he was

RIP my goat hopefully we get to see how you turned and what happened to you in the next episode

[alpine pelican]

why were there deathclaws in alaska

[hidden fractal]

If he was running away, it makes me think he was not feral

[twin kelp]

Because they were loosing the war it seems like

[twin kelp]

I thought THE SAME EXACT THING AT FIRST

[twin kelp]

They were loosing Alaska I think they deployed them behind enemy lines and the death claws absolutely shredded the Chinese

[foggy pendant]

because emil pagliarulo is a fucking hack

[hidden fractal]

My guess is they were deployed by the Enclave

[twin kelp]

Pretty scary to think about

[hidden fractal]

Or, whatever the Enclave was before the bombs

[twin kelp]

Def not they were loosing Alaska so they were deployed but didn’t let anyone know because they wanted it to seem like our soldiers did the work

[hidden fractal]

That would make sense, but I'm thinking Enclave or super high-ranking government personnel authorized them to be deployed in the field

We know that the Enclave were controlling deathclaws in fo3

They probably didn't intend for Coop to see one though

[alpine pelican]

so could the enclave also deploy them in the strip for some reason

[foggy pendant]

it's already known deathclaws are pre war, me personally i just find wartime application a little ridiculous. this bit-by-bit pre war canonizing of everything is starting to get a little ridiculous that's all

next thing you know, they're going to find a way to claim half the population of the united states in 2077 were fucking ghouls somehow idk

[hidden fractal]

It seems implied that they weren't widely used in the war considering that Coop didn't know wtf he just saw

I could see them doing limited operations with them to avoid leaking their existence to the public

[foggy pendant]

also it's not a modern fallout entry if people aren't pilfering pre war food 200 years later

[urban mulch]

damn lucy a crackhead

[alpine pelican]

my problem is we're halfway through the season and not much has happened

the episodes are small too

[hidden fractal]

I doubt it, unless the Enclave are active in the Mojave currently which we have no reason to believe is true thus far

[hidden fractal]

I'd say Maximus's storyline has seen a lot of drama

[urban mulch]

the storyline in the vaults is pretty boring but the rest is interesting

[alpine pelican]

why else would the deathclaws have taken over the strip were there no defenses or what

[hidden fractal]

I think with Lucy and the Ghoul, they're taking their time so they can introduce FNV's factions and locations to the non gamer audience, and as a little fan service for the rest of us

[urban mulch]

maybe the deathclaws migrated from the quarry to vegas

[lilac drum]

THey are just busying getting sidetracked
Which is like the games

[foggy pendant]

no, the deathclaw from the intro is actually the one from the museum of freedom egg

[hidden fractal]

We don't have enough information yet but there are many theories

[alpine pelican]

i understand that but there are only 8 episodes so that's kind of a problem unfortunately

[hidden fractal]

I'm thinking that a human brought an egg into the Strip to sell it, and then an entire herd went ham on the city

[lilac drum]

tbf
They have 5 plots happening at the same time

[robust dragon]

So how we betting the Lucy drug addiction arc getting resolved. Toughs it out? takes Fixer? Gets cured at the Old Mormon Fort?

[hidden fractal]

But everything that has happened to the Strip might not only be the deathclaws, I think there's a lot more at play which has led it to where it is now

[foggy pendant]

addictol prob

[lilac drum]

We have BoS plot
We have Lucy and ghoul plot
We have Vault 33 and 32 plot
We have norm plot
We have pre-war plot

We have 5 plots happening
The fact that they are actually soemhow doing a good job moving foward is amazing

[white glade]

It's hard to catch in games when you're just clearing dungeons but feral ghouls will run when they're down to the last one or two

[alpine pelican]

they're not tho they're wasting time

[hidden fractal]

They detected radiation inside the Strip too, not sure if that was just from the deathclaws or something else but it might provide some explanation as to why the Kings are all ghouls

[lilac drum]

Well the show is designed with fallout themes and every fallout player get side tracked
I prefer that way so much cause it feels like fallout so much
And beside, lets be honest
We all have a good guess happening at the end, its not about the destination, its about the journey
Or in this case, too many journeys and no idea what the destination lies

[urban mulch]

15 years after new vegas game everything went to shit

[drifting kiln]

Steph's biggest crime

[robust dragon]

Was her geiger counter making the sound throughout the scene or just at the eggs.

[drifting kiln]

Being Canadian

[hidden fractal]

I think you could only hear it when she was near the eggs

[lilac drum]

OH GOD
NO!!!!!!!!

[drifting kiln]

I low-key love how the Vault pov is so low stakes and high stakes at the same time

[robust dragon]

I could swear that Deathclaw nests in Fallout 4 give radiation

[drifting kiln]

Steph being Canadian is revealed as this shocking thing, while they're discussing experimenting on humans

[wispy igloo]

was it my imagination or did they play the fo4 theme at one point?

[lilac drum]

They did

When the NCR gave lucy and ghoul weapons

[foggy pendant]

Oh I really hope that wasn't The King.

I think it was, though. :[

[wispy igloo]

I love that I get the lore of fallout and I get to explain to my friends who don't get it.

[hidden fractal]

I actually just thought of something. Deathclaws tend to be attracted to radiation, right? So maybe there's another source of it in the Strip for whatever reason and THAT is why the deathclaws are there

[foggy pendant]

Relegated to being the fucking crown enemy in a Fallout 4 dungeon portrayed on TV. What a way to go 😭

[hidden fractal]

Would also explain ghoulified Kings

[wispy igloo]

i loved the buffout addiction bit.

[robust dragon]

Deathclaw Eggs give radiation damage in Fallout 4 so probably just that

[hidden fractal]

Maybe the Legion sent a spy to detonate a dirty bomb or something

[drifting kiln]

Was the Deathclaw inside Gomorrah

[urban mulch]

possible theory is irradiated water? cause vegas strip didnt seem destroyed by a bomb

[hidden fractal]

Dirty bomb as in a radiation emitting device like the one found in Searchlight, not something that actually explodes

[wispy igloo]

that could be it.

[ripe nova]

Yeah feels vegas has been searchlighted

[drifting kiln]

Maybe a Deathclaw egg was taken into the Ultra Lux and it attracted it's mother

[drifting kiln]

Feels weird how House wouldn't notice

[lilac drum]

Well seeing the destoryed securtrons
Its pretty clear something also happened

[ripe nova]

Depends when it happened,

[lilac drum]

But then again, he didnt knew gommorah had secret weapons and there is a weapon dealer in vegas so clearly house isnt doing great in terms of security

[urban mulch]

isnt house still alive? his face was on the computer in the trailer

[ripe nova]

A chlorine bomb

[lilac drum]

And somehow new vegas doesnt have a canon ending despite that

[ripe nova]

The fact the omertas buy girls from freeside implies some level of movement

[lilac drum]

Idk what the fuck they are doing with the damn ending thing in the show

[drifting kiln]

I think something about House is still there

Whether it's his body, or a digital backup I don't know

[lilac drum]

Then techinally yes man would be the canon ending

[drifting kiln]

I wonder if they'll lean into the House Brain Scan digitised his Consciousness

[lilac drum]

and it actually makes the most logical sense
Yes man would be the most confusing ending in the series

[ripe nova]

Maybe they just retcon that house is under camp golf instead of the lucky 38

[lilac drum]

That would be an insult to every one of us

[urban mulch]

i think its a mix of yes man and house ending

cause legion and ncr definitely didnt win

[white glade]

Great place to vacation, camp golf. Makes your skin glow

[lilac drum]

You... cant mix both
that is even possible

[ripe nova]

But lucy and yes man interacting would be fun

[lilac drum]

Its either yes man or house
Cannot be both

[drifting kiln]

I think it's Yes Man but we have a digital House

[lilac drum]

But i am certain that its yes man because its the only one that explains how the strip is so messy
In the yes man ending, there is anarchy in the strip

[drifting kiln]

It might explain why we see the Ghoul and House together

[mortal perch]

I'm loving how t45 is portrayed. Gives the average soldier incredible survivability, but shit mobility

[hidden fractal]

I remember seeing a theory that the House we see is Yes Man pretending to be him with a fake digital display

[urban mulch]

house survives but he loses, if that makes sense. so yes man ending without killing house

[white glade]

I mean, if it werent for the deathclaw that PLA officer was about to stab cooper in the eye lmao

[lilac drum]

but you have to kill house to do yes man ending

[ripe nova]

Possible so much of houses plan relied on the ncr

[drifting kiln]

Feels like Yes Man would be such a weird ending, why would he want to pretend to be House?

[white glade]

He was an immobilized tank

[ripe nova]

He may not of intended too just that code he found overwrote him

[urban mulch]

theyre gonna retcon houses death. the guy in the basement was a body double 😂

[white glade]

All the easier for someone to drop a grenade through the hatch, so to speak

[lilac drum]

That is also a possibility
The nukes of the NCR would certainly make house caught off gaurd

[faint saddle]

Man what the fuck happened to vegas

[white glade]

Not just much, but all. He literally has no point for vegas without an actual consumer base with capital to spend

[ripe nova]

Also the legion did not collapse as quick as house planned so they got a hit on vegas

[faint saddle]

Why is there radiation all over the strip

[lilac drum]

some people assume legion radiated the place

[faint saddle]

I'm guessing a legion radiation bomb but idk

[hidden fractal]

I don't know, but I think that's why the deathclaws are there

[ripe nova]

Personally i think the legion pulled a searchlight again

[white glade]

It was NCR scouts at the Dam that made him actually clean up the place - I wonder if in the abscene of the NCR he's just let it go back into controlled decay

[faint saddle]

Yea that's what I'm thinking

[drifting kiln]

I feel so stupid for not linking Ronnie's Future Enterprise Ventures to FEV

[white glade]

What's the point of a casino state with no people to gamble?

[urban mulch]

ayo

[drifting kiln]

We know Bud came from WestTek, I bet some of the vault 31 is using FEV to do something

[faint saddle]

What a lame ass episode ngl

Some cool stuff but kinda a major let down to have the strip be completely dead

[ripe nova]

Which strain

[drifting kiln]

We don't know

Ronnie when talking to Norm mentions Future Enterprise Ventures

[mortal perch]

He also survived 90+ shots from 3 7.62x39 rifles, and if the rifles are actually 556 that's even more impressive

[faint saddle]

Funniest part in the episode tho was when Thaddeus says "Oh hey big boy, Let's get the fuck out of this shit hole" so funny

[foggy pendant]

'holy shit my wife is canadian'

i love fake ass ryan reynolds

[faint saddle]

Lol we learned Steph's evil secret, she's a Canadian

[white glade]

So can a tank lol, once it's tracked though it's basically helpless, like a turtle on it's shell

[drifting kiln]

It's why she's so psychotic

[faint saddle]

I wonder what's in Hanks keep sake box that she wants

[urban mulch]

wrap up the vault story, just infect them all with FEV and move on

[white glade]

Provides great survivability, until you can't move lol

[faint saddle]

A turtle doesn't have machine guns or a cannon

[white glade]

10 bucks on a vault 31-32 civil war

[urban mulch]

shiii ill bet 100

[white glade]

Of course this is true. But a tank that can't move is open to the rear, and the sides, with a Stevie Wonder esque field of vision

[faint saddle]

Betty might actually become a good guy tbh she does kinda seem like she doesn't give af about vault tec and was mostly following the rules to maintain a functioning society

[drifting kiln]

This, now she's found Buds dead she seemed to take it pretty well?

[hidden fractal]

I'm worried for Woody. I feel like he's gonna try to sneak over to Vault 33 to try and warn Betty that Steph is plotting against them but then Betty just ends up having Woody killed for knowing things he's not supposed to know

[faint saddle]

She didn't say he was dead she just said bud was upside down in the trash, I don't think he's dead

[lilac drum]

Its the worst fucking thing ever!
She must be removed from position AT ONCE

[drifting kiln]

I don't think we'll see Bud again

[lilac drum]

Literally every single fallout player ever

[drifting kiln]

He's as good as dead

[faint saddle]

Probably not but I don't think he's dead he's just a Roomba brain now

[drifting kiln]

Also loved how Quintus' went from loving father to crazed zealot in 2s

[white glade]

My take too. The nazi looking chick (forget her name) seems full on Vault Tech fascist, but Betty seems to realize that Vault Tech is at best a vague idea, and what matters is the community surviving and sharing resources collectively (which is almost like an ideology loathed in the US)

[drifting kiln]

Steph

[faint saddle]

"HERETIC HERETIC!" he shouts after learning bro didn't wanna kill kids

[urban mulch]

eyepatch girl?

[drifting kiln]

Ghoul Kids

[lilac drum]

That was the most warhammer 40k i have ever seen XD

[ripe nova]

The lucky 38 has moved

[white glade]

Yeah, the one that looks like she should go "It would not be difficult mein fuhrer!"

[faint saddle]

"WHATS THE FIRST RULE OF THE BROTHERHOOD?? KILL GHOUL KIDS, IDIOT!"

[lilac drum]

He would been fine if maximus just said normal kids
The elder would be like
Sure that is fine, i mean kids are kids, that is too far

Sir it was ghoul kids
YOU FUCKING HERTIC SCUM!

[faint saddle]

Pretty dope we finally saw a laser gun fired tho

[lilac drum]

I was so happy about that
I was like
YEAH FINALLY, THIS THING IS NOW SHOOTING INSTEAD OF GUNS ALL DAY LONG!

[urban mulch]

im willing to forgive her since shes pretty

[faint saddle]

Also the end credit scene shows camp McCarran completely dead and abandoned too rip

[drifting kiln]

I can't believe how quickly those chapters were to turn on each other

[urban mulch]

lucy on the other hand is a full on junkie, seen a few of those walking down LA

[faint saddle]

The song choices in this episode also weren't very good I found

[lilac drum]

It is also so far from the strip
And usually i would be annoyed but then again
I never understood why in the original game, the bloody airport was right next to the damn lucky 38

[faint saddle]

They had an iconic song tho play in the credits

[drifting kiln]

What's the name of the Asian American lady that was speaking to Norm about driving over the bridge a week earlier

[white glade]

https://youtu.be/ybSzoLCCX-Y?t=8 Vault Tech pitching the vaults to the enclave

[lilac drum]

That one was actually in fallout 4

[lilac drum]

They have names?

[drifting kiln]

Yeah the guy was called Ronnie

[foggy pendant]

claudia

[faint saddle]

Wasn't that the girl that was blind in the previous episode with vaulties

[lilac drum]

she was blind?

[faint saddle]

Temporarily ya

[lilac drum]

sorry i forgot vault lore
I am too busy at the other plots to remember vault lore

[urban mulch]

the actress or character?

[faint saddle]

Is she Asian or is she Hispanic

[ripe nova]

Vault tec really hired all out

[lilac drum]

Hispanic

[urban mulch]

she looks asian to me

the chinese girl soldier looks asian to me too

[lilac drum]

Whcih asian to begin with?

Wait what is hispanic again?

[ripe nova]

Pre war america chinese was likely a no no

[urban mulch]

like the mexicans

[foggy pendant]

she's filipino irl according to google so probably not meant to be chinese if i had to guess

[urban mulch]

thats basically hispanic + asian tbh

[lilac drum]

She is filipino or asain in your case

[faint saddle]

Anybody else notice in the beginning Alaska scene charlie has to open his helmet to talk because his voice modulator is broken and he also can't use it to contact HQ, yet when he leaves coop he puts the mask down and his voice box works perfectly fine lmao

[lilac drum]

Umm
Probably an oversight

[urban mulch]

bit of both

[white glade]

radio was fucked up, not local voice modulator

[ripe nova]

Lore wise pre war america was really prejudiced against the chinese hence little yangtze etc

[faint saddle]

He literally tries talking to cooper in the beginning when he's right behind him tho and it doesn't work then

He also literally said the voice modulator was broke

[lilac drum]

Again
Very much oversight the people making the show

[faint saddle]

When the old NCR guy responds to Lucy saying there's a lot of NCR there they just aren't there right now I wonder if he's just a senile old man and still thinks shady sands is there in his dementia or what

[urban mulch]

yeah basically how we treated them during covid

[ripe nova]

Does the show ever directly refer to the reds as the chinese?

[ripe nova]

With added experimentation

[drifting kiln]

Yes that's it, isn't it weird how she would have been chosen as a manager resident after just having an interview

[faint saddle]

They spoke in mandarin TF you mean

But also yes they do call them Chinese

[ripe nova]

Not seen this ep yet but all other mentions are the reds prior

[drifting kiln]

With Buds Future Enterprise Ventures (FEV) making Super Managers (Super Mutants)?

[urban mulch]

the reds are chinese by default cause russia isnt a major power

[faint saddle]

Why are you in the spoiler channel for this episode if you didn't watch it, are you crazy

[drifting kiln]

I think Vault 31, 32, 33 are in for some wild actual experiments, maybe I'm just jumping to wild conclusions

[white glade]

That was over the radio - hence why he opens his visor and the other guy responds in voice modulator with his visor down - difference between a walkie talkie that can only be heard within the helmet and a megaphone broadcasting your position to every red in a kilometer

[ripe nova]

To a general audience reds would more commonly refer to russia

[lilac drum]

That was me the second i got pinged by ajax here over pa lore when i was watching
I was like
Why am i even messaging right now, am i insane?

[faint saddle]

Lol I just didn't open discord til after I finished it

[lilac drum]

I got pinged so i paushed the show and i saw it was in fallout server and i was oh
Maybe it D A S H pinging me
Nope its ajax in episode 4 channel needing my help over pa lore

[tough viper]

yeah maximus is running straight to NCR with that macguffin

[urban mulch]

true, i think in season 1 they referred to china as the main enermy but i cant remember

i wonder how max will feel if he sees junkie lucy

[faint saddle]

The reds are the Russians AND the Chinese

Fo4 says as much

[ripe nova]

Thats why i was curious as i only ever heard reds in show

[faint saddle]

Also the communist brainwashing vault experiment , the video tapes they were watching were in Chinese/mandarin

[mortal perch]

Using Chinese assault rifles, the Chinese jumpsuits, uniforms, ect

[faint saddle]

Not everything has to be spelt out

[white glade]

That clearly was meant to be what the fascist pre-war USA viewed as communism tho lol

[urban mulch]

russia is way weaker though so they cant be as relevant as china

[white glade]

Reminds me of the current day lol

[mortal perch]

Dude it's proven in game China was just as bad

[faint saddle]

There's a crashed Russian satellite in the desert in season 1

[ripe nova]

Irl though if i say the reds to an american they think russia

[faint saddle]

Looked like a military satellite, probably had weapons on it they used against America

[mortal perch]

The Soviet union and the Chinese did not get along at all

[urban mulch]

war... war never changes

[mortal perch]

So I can see the Russians trying to cozy up to America to possibly get oil

Plus they allowed Russians into vault 13

[faint saddle]

China and Russia worked together in fallout

[mortal perch]

When did this happen

[faint saddle]

In the beginning of fallout 4 if you let Codsworth get you some food he then says something about the war and Nate/Nora can ask who done it, codsworth replies with "Why the communists of course! The Russians AND the Chinese!"

[mortal perch]

Ah good catch

[faint saddle]

The game literally puts AND in all capitals too so it's important

[mortal perch]

Kinda retcons the original fallout then

[faint saddle]

Na

[white glade]

The whole point of the game is the politics and cultural development did not get past 1960 - so yeah, in 1960 irl the soviet union and china were actually in an undeclared war. All those bunkers in Beijing that exist irl? They were built with the soviets in mind as the enemy, not the USA. Crazy I know, even more so if you're a communist like me. In our timeline, China cozied up to the USA.

But if china is stuck in 1960 politically, like the US is, that means it's basically at the height of Maoist cultural revolution. Even then, I'd rather be chinese in the lore of fallout than american circa 2077

Maoist china did not have private ownership of nuke shelters for a start

[mortal perch]

Finally, a communist that I can talk to without getting majorly political

[urban mulch]

i think the devs changed the bad guys from russia to china after the soviet union fell

[faint saddle]

The Chinese soldiers in this episode explicitly implied their situation is the same as coops tho, and that the guys in charge will soon have them wearing crappy metal suits that gets them killed

[mortal perch]

I know the Chinese gave the Russians a bloody nose on multiple occasions, and in the 80s they seeked military cooperation with the western countries

[faint saddle]

Fo76 also has insights into China and it was not nice

[urban mulch]

in their case its the stealth armor? were those flawed as well?

[faint saddle]

No they specifically meant power armor

[urban mulch]

i havent played what did they say?

[tough viper]

honestly dont care about the vault plotline. doesnt seem to be leading anywhere, beside maybe lucy comes home and becomes overseer in s3 and opens the vault.

[urban mulch]

same here, lucys brothers plot is interesting though not the others

[faint saddle]

You can't leave it ever, even after the war they still get forced into doing evil shit by a shadowy leadership, you get to talk to an actual Chinese Dragoon commando

Basically the commando implied your life is not your own and you have to do whatever the leadership says or you die/ worse

[mortal perch]

All fairness the enclave was just as fucked up, but yeah the Chinese had fanatics as well

[urban mulch]

the chinese suits look cool but doesnt feel very fallout

[urban mulch]

yep, war never changes

[faint saddle]

Pretty cool how they showed an M4 Sherman tank inside of camp McCarran in the outro, little nod to the NCRs armored division

[mortal perch]

Should've had a legionary corpse with a spear trying to stab it lol

[white glade]

Tbf, in the 80's that wasn't even about hostility towards russia, they just realized the sinking ship the USSR was.

The issues in the 60's were twofold in cause. First and most important, was land and political sovereignty of the chinese communist party. Dating back to when both Russia and China were empires, there were disputed territories that kind of got put on the back burner until they were both stable socialist states. Second in this point was the Chinese Communists (with merit) felt they were simply an subordinate to Moscow, and not their own socialist party representing chinese interests.

[faint saddle]

There was a legionary corpse with a spear going through an NCR veteran ranger

So it looks like legion invaded McCarran

[white glade]

The second major point was ideological; basically Mao was a big stalin fan and saw Krushchev as shitting on his legacy in many ways

[faint saddle]

Which wait, if legion invaded McCarran that implies a legion dam victory

Although I'm pretty sure the show is retconning all of the endings in favor of something new that wasn't possible in game

[mortal perch]

I remember the soviete cutting off the Chinese with technical data packages for weapons in the early 60s- which is why the type 56 AK has some differences

[mortal perch]

You should see my collection of communist small arms, I have an rpk, akm, a yugo AK, and until recently, a Chinese SKS. The Chinese make phenomenal firearms

[white glade]

It was crazy how close they got to war. Hence why Nixon visited China during that time

[jade dew]

||🇨🇦 ||

[urban mulch]

damn her parents are probably playing fallout rn

[white glade]

btw, that was in general a crazy visit. Zhou Enlai (premier and de facto head of government at that time) was a rational politician who wanted to get the US as a trading partner. Mao was by this point deep in dementia, ALS, or something similiar (china has never said, if they even know), and his wife, Jiang Qiang, was a raging anti imperialist who loathed the fact the americans were even coming

[mortal perch]

Those border skirmishes were nasty too, Chinese took a good amount of gear from the soviets

[jade dew]

||Its been a while seeing a Vegas, shame its desolated||

[white glade]

When she hosted Nixon and his wife for a staging of one of her ballets, the "red revolutionary guards", she managed to get a deadringer for Kissinger to play the "evil western landlord" character I shit you not

[urban mulch]

just like irl

[faint saddle]

Wait wtf, Stephanie Harper, our last good PM was Stephen Harper lol wonder if they chose that name for her on purpose

[white glade]

Hold on, "last good"? I mean the last haven't been steller, and compared to them I guess Harper is the "best" but that's like not actively being incompetent

[faint saddle]

Yea it sucks but also remember we saw in a previous trailer that the ghoul and Lucy do find people, most likely in freeside

[white glade]

And also didn't he preside over like 2008? I remember him handing out big bailouts to the banks, not to normal people. Seriously "last good"? Compared to Al Jolson and the banker we have in sure, but that's not exactly a high bar

in fact it's a very low bar. It's such a low bar it'd be in the guinness world records of lowest limbo bar

[faint saddle]

Cool

[urban mulch]

kinda wild freeside is chilling near an active deathclaw

[faint saddle]

2

[shrewd beacon]

Guys, i just finished watching ep 4, is the last Ghoul with guitar that Lucy Shoot is The Kings Leader???

[jade dew]

Dang, she ain't lying

[faint saddle]

Lucy and the ghoul get chased by two death claws, you see it in the episode 5 preview

[urban mulch]

shit thats even worse. how the hell has freeside not turned into a massacre yet lol

[faint saddle]

Yea but also her reason for stabbing him was super dumb

All he said was "the relic has been stolen"

[jade dew]

Sometiumes ppl just want to use every excuse to letting chaos unfold

[faint saddle]

Yea but also I think she's just a bad character in the show

Her line delivery was super bad in the previous episode when they're discussing the civil war

[jade dew]

Who cares if her lines is bad or not. Nobody cares about her

[clever burrow]

not THAT crazy when you take into account that sloan was right outside a whole colony of them at quarry junction

[faint saddle]

"the codex......... Is up to interpretation" that was cringe af

[jade dew]

EYOOOOOOOOOOOO EP 5 PREVIEW!!!! WTFFFFFF

||FALLOUT 3 !!!!||

oh wait

[faint saddle]

What about that is fallout 3 lol

[jade dew]

nah i was wrong

[fresh shoal]

I thought so

[jade dew]

I thought it was a apartment building in FO3 mission where u letting ghoul stay inside mission

[faint saddle]

Tenpenny tower

[jade dew]

yep

[shrewd beacon]

🙁 F

[faint saddle]

I can see it

[clever burrow]

what a shitty way for a cool character to go out if thats true

[urban mulch]

true but i guess since there were babies the mother was focused on them

[fresh shoal]

Except it clearly has the word Vault written on it and Tenpenny Tower is over a thousand miles away

[faint saddle]

He was the only one wearing a white tuxedo

[urban mulch]

freeside deathclaw needs to eat and freesiders are the next meal

[clever burrow]

nothing worse than a starving deathclaw

[faint saddle]

Wonder what it was doing at the Gomorrah

[obsidian dune]

I'm curious as to how the kings even got ghoulified

[faint saddle]

Probably eating cachino

[obsidian dune]

Was it House's doing?

[faint saddle]

No

House would never harm the strip or the people there because theyre apart of his plan and he needs their money

[ripe nova]

I mean yeah china was developing as fast as the usa just going the stealth route over the power route

[shrewd beacon]

The clothes are similar to the Kings Leader

[jade dew]

||Even 200 years, there are still no vehicle ||

[clever burrow]

true, i dont remember the king having a guitar though

[jade dew]

Always walking on foot

[obsidian dune]

But the kings were outside the strip. I'm not talking about the deathclaw

[clever burrow]

why didnt they just take a vertibird is my question

[faint saddle]

Anyone else thought it was dumb that they had the prydwen style airships fighting in Alaska lol, couldn't the Chinese easily take those out

[obsidian dune]

No. You'd need heavy ordinance for that

[faint saddle]

An auto cannon kills one

[ripe nova]

Do you think the fiends are still kicking?

[obsidian dune]

The Chinese can't just carry artilleries with them

[faint saddle]

You think that the Chinese invading Alaska didn't bring any heavy ordinance?

[mortal perch]

Remember that the Chinese had a huge shortage of vehicles, to the point where they rigged up drilling vehicles as tanks

[shrewd beacon]

Who care abot the guitar, It's definitely him, his clothes and his hair.

[mortal perch]

And it was on an island, probably just an infantry base camp

[clever burrow]

would’ve preferred them over ghoulified kings tbh, especially now that lucy is supposed to be a drug addict

[obsidian dune]

Nope. Otherwise PA units should've been easily neutralized. They must've not had enough heavy ordinance

[ripe nova]

Cook cook

[faint saddle]

True it was an island so not too big I hope another episode expands on the Alaskan front more

[open rampart]

They don’t know how to fly

[faint saddle]

Did we watch the same episode? Cooper's power armor literally gets taken out by AKs

[tough viper]

khans are gonna kill these vault goobers next ep 100%

[jade dew]

I got cringe when I see chinese communist start talking cringe shit on Cooper wearing Power Armor. They talk so cartoonish and cliche

[mortal perch]

All fairness it was a lucky shot, took out the leg joint

[shrewd beacon]

I want to see inside Lucky 38

[obsidian dune]

It was malfunctioning.

[jade dew]

The type of trope that got u kill easily

[obsidian dune]

And they still couldn't even penetrate the PA

[faint saddle]

Why would the armor malfunctioning affect the ability of bullets to pierce and break the armor

[obsidian dune]

Else Coop would be dead. He was stupid keeping the visor open

[lilac drum]

Not really?
Cooper couldnt fight back due to the malfunction the power armor affect
Cooper is still alive despite being shot

[tough viper]

they had chimera tanks, so safe to say they also had artillery

[clever burrow]

ig, doesn’t hurt to try tho… unless you crash and die

[mortal perch]

Communist soldier were known for that, it's a psychological weapon "oh your leaders put you in a shitty suit"

[obsidian dune]

It creates a weak spot they could shoot through. They specifically focus on his leg fizzling out

[jade dew]

Irl your enemies just straight up shoot u t odeath

[faint saddle]

Chimera tanks were US mining machines

[obsidian dune]

They had. I'm saying they must not have had enough to take everyone down

[mortal perch]

They got cocky, an immobilized power armor unit that couldn't hurt them, plus they have probably seen some of their comrades torn apart by said units, they were gloating, and it did get them killed, the deathclaw

[obsidian dune]

They must've had rocket launchers and stuff too but the fact that the T51 deployment is what turned the war around. I think they simply didn't have enough

[jade dew]

I never pay attention but|| Elder Maxson|| is alive?!?!

[tough viper]

incorrect

[steady night]

Season 2 starting scenes be like

EPISODE 1:
House showcases the moral concept of the shades of grey
EPISODE 2:
Hank is an actual war criminal for singlehandedly causing a genocide and if you don't believe that here's proof
EPISODE 3:
Thaddeus really has a natural skill for managing because child labor has never been this wholesome :]
EPISODE 4:
Alaska was frozen shitshow of a Vietnam. That fact is also worsened by the first fieldings of T45 PA lol

[obsidian dune]

Why won't Maxson be alive. He should be fine

[faint saddle]

I like them showing a deathclaw used against the Chinese because it gives more credence to what Tim Cain said started the war, he said China nuked America because they were using biological weapons/fev experiments against them

[jade dew]

I guess dat mean BOS ending in FO4 is canon

or Minutetmen ending

[obsidian dune]

I do like the deathclaws being given lore. They had no lore before

[jade dew]

I thought Deathclaw first appear after the pre war, never expected them already exists before the nuke

[mortal perch]

You can tell cooper was getting PTSD flashbacks when he heard the deathclaw in the strip

[jade dew]

And they said lion is already extinct but not deathclaw

[faint saddle]

Either fo3 or fo4 calls deathclaws prewar experiments used for search and destroy missions

[obsidian dune]

They did exist pre war but that's all we know. They were apparently made from a chameleon

[steady night]

Also btw idk if this was a Spanish dub thing but why did the Yosemite elder refer to a "Mojave" chapter when the subtitles wrote it as "Quintus' chapter"?

[obsidian dune]

And even that's speculation from a wastelander. Beyond that they had zero lore

[jade dew]

I wish they bring up more Deathclaw that could talk like FO2

[clever burrow]

hes only like in his 20s in fallout 4 so its not that surprising

[obsidian dune]

Not 20s. Just 20

[clever burrow]

but the namedrop is cool

[faint saddle]

Whats the time stamp I'll check

[jade dew]

bruh hes look like 30s or 40s

[lilac drum]

In fallout 1
There wasnt
In fallout 2
There were some lore

[jade dew]

ANd I already knew he 20s but still

[steady night]

I forget
But it is when her and Coronado mistake Thaddeus for Xander and try to negociate with him

[obsidian dune]

That's because of the beard. Remove it and he looks young

[clever burrow]

being the elder of a bos chapter ages you

[jade dew]

Given the current year, how old is he know I wonder

[lilac drum]

His beard and the way he speaks make it sound like that
Every man knows the beard makes you age 20 year ahead

[lilac drum]

29 or 30 years old i think?

[obsidian dune]

This how he looks without the beard

[jade dew]

Should've remove the beard

[faint saddle]

Looks like an emo theater kid

[steady night]

Yooooo he looks evil as hell

[tough viper]

i hope they cast some1 who looks like cavill as arthur

[jade dew]

He look like a jock from Bully

[obsidian dune]

Beards really do age you like 30 years lol

[faint saddle]

Just get Henry cavill lol

[shrewd beacon]

Yes, Goris the Hoodie Death Claw from Fnv mod lol

[lilac drum]

Isnt that common knowledge?
Every man knows the beard does that you you

[faint saddle]

Kinda confused when the super mutant we hear talking in the trailer will show up because I figured it would have been before we see legion because the voice mentions a war is coming

[steady night]

Idk about you guys but I'm willing to believe that Squirrel Ranger is right about the NCR still around
I mean there's literally nothing else that might contradict it
Not even Rodriguez contradicts him there

[faint saddle]

Why'd you call him squirrel ranger lol

[steady night]

Plus supposedly weren't they regroupping somewhere else?
Isn't that why they gave Lucy guns?

[steady night]

He has a pet squirrel :3

[faint saddle]

Said they were leaving, didn't really specify to where I assumed they meant back to shady sands but maybe not

[faint saddle]

Oh wait ya the thing in the cage

[steady night]

Cherkov's Gun if I have ever seen one

[steady night]

Yep!

[jade dew]

BOS suck

Ghoul Live Matters

[urban mulch]

chekhovs squirrel

[steady night]

Gold

[ashen orchid]

the deathclaw on the strip made me feel like he was gonna talk every time he growled

[tough viper]

the deathclaw looked kinda stubby

[fresh shoal]

He’s just buff

… She?

[tough viper]

also i kinda wish theyd used the fo3 deathclaw models they look creepier in a way

[jade dew]

Mark my word, Mysterious Stranger will appear in TV

[fresh shoal]

We were arguing about whether it was an Alpha or a Matriarch last night, colors are wrong for Matriarch but it does have the gold horn markings

[tough viper]

[CAUTION]

[ashen orchid]

also, Steph is Canadian
no wonder she's insane

[fresh shoal]

Yeah, the new age Deathclaw looks more dinosaur and less terrifying experiment

[ashen orchid]

i wonder if Steph harbors any resentment against the US itself?

[fresh shoal]

I wonder if Steph is a deep cover Russian spy

[obsidian dune]

Where's the rake when you need it /s

[jade dew]

Imagine the Gamorrah didnt get eaten alive and Deathclaw are actually very gentlemen with their servies

[fresh shoal]

That shithole deserved to get turned into a Deathclaw nest

[obsidian dune]

Considering the lack of more dead bodies i assume people simply evacuated

Well. Most people atleast

[jade dew]

The Gamorahh always in service regardless what type u are

I be shocked if there is the suprising plot twist judging by the voice from the trailer assuming Super Mutants but actually another type of GOris

[fresh shoal]

Maybe both the Legion and the NCR sent forces to try and take the Strip from Yes Man and the Securitrons

[ashen orchid]

but, how did a deathclaw even get there? and how long have they been there that there are hatched eggs there?

[ashen orchid]

the strip that is now a deathclaw nest? lol

[obsidian dune]

Oh they multiply like crazy. Doesn't need to be long

[fresh shoal]

It’s been 15 years since the show.

[shrewd beacon]

I wonder What happened to Yes Man or Mr House?

[obsidian dune]

Quarry Junction became a nest in a short time too

[fresh shoal]

We’re definitely gonna find out what happened to House.

[jade dew]

Will so many conspiracy, I would't be suprised if Vault Tec is making deal with Communist

[fresh shoal]

Yes Man? I’m more skeptical about that.

[ashen orchid]

the deathclaws look cool but a bit weird tbh
the one in Alaska looked super badass tho

the one in the strip looked a bit weird

[lilac drum]

Counter argument
The VAST majority of people are in the back of gommorah for obvious reasons

[obsidian dune]

Nah there were reports the chinese were building PA too. They just couldn't do it in time

[lilac drum]

Reports also showed that the chinese pa was not even close to even close to being good compare to american pa

[obsidian dune]

I'm pretty sure the streets would atleast be filled with bones and stuff. Unless the deathclaws are very persistent about cleanliness

[jade dew]

Well Im not talking about PA, maybe something else

I mean cant u imagine we have vault dweller who is secretly Canadian?

[fresh shoal]

She’s a Russian pinko spy

[jade dew]

And Vault Tec brainwash american into communist

[obsidian dune]

Canada was under America tho

[fresh shoal]

Nah I don’t actually think that. The annexed ID was just there to show she’s pre war

[shrewd beacon]

Is Unification Monument still standing? I think not 🙁

[lilac drum]

Irrelevant!
She is canadian and is a danger to the american way!
The vast majority of fallout players in a nutshell

[shrewd beacon]

In Mojave Outpost

[ashen orchid]

"Canadians detected on American soil, Lethal force authorized"

[fading zodiac]

Alaska war is crazy

I didn’t expect them to show live action of the Alaska war against the red

[glossy gale]

Meanwhile Elder Maxson:

[glossy gale]

True, good outfits too

[fading zodiac]

WTH deathclaw in Alaska before the bomb????

They existed before ?

[burnt grail]

yes prewar bioweapon

[lilac drum]

They are actually pre-war

Deathclaws was created in pre-war
I believe it was hinited in fallout 2 and confirmed in fallout 3 or 4
I dont remember where

[fading zodiac]

I didn’t know that till now the hell

And there attracted to the ak gun fire?

[urban mulch]

maybe the deathclaw will talk like in fo2

[lilac drum]

Well deathclaws were clearly created to kill enemies so that was their intend i guess

[fading zodiac]

Damn bruh

This is why I had a deathclaw follower in fo4 with a mod

Should of been just part of the game

[blissful iron]

Pre-War America was off their rocker by a country mile, I stg.

[lilac drum]

Trust me
Pre-war America sounded like a mad scientist when you do your research

[fading zodiac]

I had a glowing deathclaw as a follower in fo4 thanks to a mod

[ashen orchid]

super mutants
Deathclaws
even Molerats i belive
Its no wonder the US got nuked honestly

[fading zodiac]

But they should of just made it part of the game I swear

[outer iris]

Yup, intended as as shock troopers

[fading zodiac]

Damn

[outer iris]

When you think about it the US was on TOP of their warfighting lol, deathclaws, power armor, plasma/laser weapons, stealth boys, mini nukes, like damn lmao

[urban mulch]

i guess china got tired of their shit tbh

[outer iris]

It must’ve fucking sucked to be a chinese soldier in anchorage

[blissful iron]

No wonder the Chinese launched; it was either a slow agonizing death at the hands of America after surrender, or a quick demise but you at least get to take the Americans with you.

[outer iris]

Yeah, the US pretty much had control of a portion of China before the bombs too, after the Gobi desert campaign they were rapidly moving in, so China resorted to the last option apparently

[faint saddle]

They used NV model mixed with fo4

[opal warren]

Bro why did dane have to stay back while maximus and thaddeus went off 🤣

[ashen orchid]

honestly when you look at what the US had compared to China its no wonder that the only option China had left was to nuke them all
give the US enough time im pretty sure they would find a way to weaponize Cthulhu lol

[outer iris]

Cus max and thad are bros

[faint saddle]

The deathclaw that comes out of the Gomorrah I'm pretty sure is an alpha deathclaw or a matriarch because it's horns point upwards and outwards

[opal warren]

but dane was the real bro from the beginning 😂

[faint saddle]

Also it's black like they are

[urban mulch]

yeah even if vaulttec says they wanna drop the bombs im convinced china got to it first

[blissful iron]

Better death at the hands of American nukes than to become experimental test subjects for Big Mountain or any number of pre-War companies.

Or to have your brain ripped out and put into robobrains.

[lilac drum]

Dane was honestly a likeable character

Also love how dane was the first to notice something wrong with Xander

Saw straight through it while even the elders were fucking blind to it

[faint saddle]

That's because he was the Commonwealth emissary they probably didn't wanna offend him

[lilac drum]

Fair enough
Also love how Thad was just looking at the entire thing with elders and was like
Nope i am out of here once the shooting happening

[ashen orchid]

the commonwealth could kick their ass
its best not to offend the emmisary no matter how stupid they are

[faint saddle]

I like how Maximus finally said what's up this episode instead of his usual beating around the bush or not fully explaining himself

[lilac drum]

Atleast we had the answer to what happening with the prydwen falling
All 4 chapters are casually blowing each other ships up

[opal warren]

Lmao poor thaddeus having a panic attack

[lilac drum]

He was so RIGHT
He is just THROWN into situation like this

[ashen orchid]

im pretty sure the prydwen left already
3 airships are from other chapters and the last airship is from Quintus his chapter and its called Caswennan or whatever

[white glade]

In a slow motion kind of way yeah. Not like they can do a USA and extract Quintius and Maximus to stand trial in boston

[lilac drum]

The prydwen is not there
I am just too lazy to call it airship and called it all prydwen XD

[faint saddle]

I'm kinda sad Steph is being hinted as super evil, I was hoping she'd be the one to break away from vault tec and do what's right for people

[eternal moth]

he so handsoomeee

[faint saddle]

Now she's just running her own vault experiment

[ashen orchid]

im almost certain if Maxson showed up the other 3 chapters would fold like paper and kneel before him
no one likes quintus

[eternal moth]

Also it looks like Caesar dying was more of a non-literal nuke equivalent to the Legion it seems

[lilac drum]

To be fair
She is

[blissful iron]

Clearly someone didn't clear out Quarry Junction and Dead Wind Cavern.

[lilac drum]

She just choose the worst option

[eternal moth]

I misinterpreted "Slay the Deathclaws"

[lilac drum]

Fuck i meant to ping him
What i was SAYING
To be fair
She is

[lilac drum]

Ignore this
The deathclaw isnt pretty
Xander said it best
Its an abomanation

[eternal moth]

Also maaaan MCARRANs GONe

[opal warren]

I thought betty was gonna be the more evil overseer

[eternal moth]

aw maaaan

[faint saddle]

Even in NV many NPCs say when Caesar dies the legion will go on regardless

[ripe nova]

I mean it divided it in two

[eternal moth]

Maxson's gunna blow a fuse on whats happenin in the Mojave

tbf hes a dick

[faint saddle]

Feel like the show has the area too barren, there should've been a settlement by now, especially outside of NV seeing how inside is irradiated

I mean I guess the legion camp is a settlement

[eternal moth]

I mean Freeside IS a settlement

[faint saddle]

Yes but we haven't seen it yet

[ashen orchid]

i hope the yosemite chapter survives
their elder seemed like a reasonable, cool headed gal

[faint saddle]

I hope she dies tbh she's lame

[eternal moth]

ngl i kinda wanted to see the 188

[faint saddle]

The guy she stabbed was way funnier

[steady night]

I thought they shot her

[faint saddle]

Idk

[eternal moth]

Yeah but she aint dead

[open rampart]

I need the Grand Canyon elder to survive

[faint saddle]

That the cowboy

[upbeat rock]

the one in the strip has the longer arms the fonv ones have, the one in alaska looks like the 4 design

[eternal moth]

it was a shoulder shot

[tepid rover]

I can understand this, but she’s just doing such a great job leaning into it and playing it at her somehow being good would actually be worse lol

[steady night]

I NEED MORE NCR

[blissful iron]

At this point, it'd be kinder to just pull the plug on the West Coast BoS.

[eternal moth]

What happened to the BoS bunker tho, whys it not brought up

[tepid rover]

Lucy being a drug addict has been exceptionally funny so far and I’m just happy they’re leaning into the goofy shit you can do in the games as well because without that it wouldn’t be fun.

[faint saddle]

Probably same reason that the Boomers at nellis air force base which is apart of the same complex as area 51 isn't in the show either

[ashen orchid]

final episode you see a huge NCR army march towards the Mojave and the third battle for New Vegas shall begin

[faint saddle]

Tf they fighting for nv now

[eternal moth]

I do hope they stay in the Mojave til S3

[faint saddle]

Place is a ruined shit hole

[tepid rover]

She killed Brian Thompson! Seriously didn’t even realize him till I saw the credit and excellent job by him and really cool casting choice

[faint saddle]

Who

[ashen orchid]

because hoover dam still exists for water and power
unless they blew it up

[tranquil warren]

Was that THE king?

[upbeat rock]

probably

[ashen orchid]

the king plays guitar? never knew that

[tepid rover]

You may remember him as the alien bounty hunter in the X-Files but also the movie cobra and lots of other stuff playing head of the Coronado chapter? The guy who hates women

[faint saddle]

Hoover dam is far from NV tho so that wouldn't make sense for them to go to NV and then have to go back in the opposite direction to take the dam

[blissful iron]

Man, the Kings did not deserve that fate. Not really sure what to feel about it.

[open rampart]

Lucy kills innocent king ghoul trying to run away 💔

[faint saddle]

Probably wasn't even feral

[tepid rover]

Amazon is not paying those licensing fees

[eternal moth]

I want the Deathclaw to sit on me

[ashen orchid]

depends on what path they take
but i said battle of new vegas because im 99% sure theres no one on the dam anymore lol

[faint saddle]

Yea I know but Vegas being in complete ruin removes any value from it

[outer iris]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-8086630669522815021

[ashen orchid]

oh god, here we go

[vale crystal]

just imagine what codsworth thinks when the nice family guy massacres entire ghoul families

[outer iris]

Man, the kings

[tepid rover]

Not if you can thing of the tech stuff that’s probably in the Lucky 38 basement

[faint saddle]

I like how the ghoul looked at Lucy like "what the fuck" when she says she's okay with headshots because they're just ghouls lmao

Lucy gonna join the bos /s

[ashen orchid]

another vault dweller saving the east coast BOS? lmao

[faint saddle]

If anything the bos would destroy it because it's probably just House's mind chips

ALTHOUGH

[open rampart]

Crazy foreshadowing 👀

[blissful iron]

"Okie-dokie" shoots a ghoul child in the face

[vast wasp]

[faint saddle]

It's entirely possible they are drawing from Van Buren for inspiration too and are going to turn Quintus into the Van Buren version of father Elijah, he locks BOS members out of their power armor to force them not to rely wholly on technology among other things

And brain chips

[orchid pond]

@eternal moth psst, no memes allowed on this server, make sure to read up on rule 2 + 3

[eternal moth]

danks

[faint saddle]

Also in season 1 he looks at the bos and basically calls them pathetic so I can see him doing this

[steady night]

Some people are actually mad about the Strip being very much worse for wear when like

1. The Strip we saw was a very recent development, literally just under a decade
2. I don't think there's many concrete endings actually pointing towards a well established Strip remaining for long
3. Freeside makes more sense as the thriving part of town as it didn't depend on tourism and/or foreign money as much as the Strip itself

[blissful iron]

Roger Maxson'd be rolling in his grave even harder than he already is.

[orchid pond]

tbh, if freeside exists and vegas doesnt that .. is sort of odd since they are pretty connected.

[faint saddle]

So if the strip is in such ruin, wonder if House really is dead and the scene with the ghoul turning and seeing house is actually a flashback from when he was last in Vegas prior to it all going to shit

[orchid pond]

the ghoul also mentioned radiation, so its possible that the area is irradiated

[eternal moth]

im more curious on how the strip fell

[steady night]

In theory yeah but in practice look how it is in-game
That's city wide segregation lol

[viral tree]

the strip looks kinda goofy now icl

[faint saddle]

It is irradiated, Lucy's Geiger counter goes off when she gets close to the dead plants

[eternal moth]

cus HOW tf does a Deathclaw even reach the strip, my theory, the plat chip has a huge glitch in it