EPISODE 5

[fierce arch]

You're not wrong, while it is left up into interpretation. It can literally be deduced to Rivet City - but who knows. It's not that hard to figure out, the reason it's ambiguous is just incase Bethesda wants to use Rivet City later.

Yeah, this is the vibe I get.

Especially if Maxson was structuring Meetings with other Elders before, like Quintus implied - then the Lost Hills had to have given Maxson that authority.

[shy apex]

I mean the fact that lacerta says they’re at war with the ncr , khans and brotherhood suggests that the lost hills was still there

[topaz fiber]

Isn't the only "lore" thing that ever said lost hills was gone was the fallout Bible which got written after fo2 came out?

[shy apex]

The fallout Bible is one dudes headcannon at the end of the day

[topaz fiber]

If only it didn't exist

Too many dumb things keep getting taken from the fallout Bible and called canon

[fierce arch]

In all seriousness, many people don't take the bible that seriously. Which thank fuck for that.

[shy apex]

Bro got so mad that the book only he had input in was decanonised when the actual good writers wanted to actually further the lore

It was never even canon mind you,

[fierce arch]

He's still mad about it, that's why he screams at Bethesda while the other FNV devs enjoy Bethesda. lol

[topaz fiber]

The Bible just screams to me someone's ideas they wanted in a sequel but knew they'd never make it

If Tim Cain had written the fallout Bible it would have some more credibility

[shy apex]

If it was made by the whole team that would be one thing, him being the only person who wrote it means it’s automatically just his headcanon

[fierce arch]

because it is, realistically. He actually tried to impose the build on the community and we all collectively said no. lol

[topaz fjord]

The brotherhood seems like it intends to reunite its chapters

[fierce arch]

The East, for sure, hard to say if the West will be included in.

[shy apex]

All the stuff he had input in is unilaterally agreed on to be the worst dlcs isn’t it

[topaz fiber]

The one thing I don't like about the show is that it's set in stone , what happens happens and there's no chance for variations unlike a fallout game

[fierce arch]

Not only that, but this is the same guy who attacked and openly argued with his coworkers on the old Obsidian forums.

[topaz fjord]

Well i am including the original lot backing maxson in the east

[frank olive]

Fr

[shy apex]

It was probably a mistake to take back in the outcasts tbh

[topaz fjord]

Vault 29 is still one of those things thats excepted as canon but the details vary correct

[shy apex]

Like, the reason they left and became outcasts is cus they didn’t like that lyons chapter was helping people

[topaz fiber]

I wish they would bring back the enclave assault style vertibirds from 3, those things were gorgeous

[shy apex]

I give up , spellchecks screwing me

[topaz fiber]

Actually I think they didn't care at first it was the fact that it became a multi decade endeavor and not just a quick mission like scourging the pitt

[fierce arch]

It was more than that, but yeah. The issue is also cause Lyons kept getting BOS killed.

[topaz fjord]

Though the outside recruitment thing clearly stuck in the east and west

[shy apex]

‘Noooo we’re supposed to be technofetishists not knights of the round table like in fallout 1’

[topaz fjord]

Even though the brotherhood use to be quite against recruiting

[fierce arch]

the outside recruitment only began under Lyons because BOS were dying faster, and they didn't really have a choice. Which is one of the few things Lyons did correct was taking advantage of the good will he garnered to pull in Wastelanders.

[shy apex]

Bos in 1 was like, actual larpers. They were basically trying to be techno knights of the round table

[topaz fjord]

Yes but maxson does it too, as does quintus

[shy apex]

It’s only later they became somewhat serious. Which is good. But it’s funny how different the first few games are in tone for the Bos

[fierce arch]

Yeah, i imagine it became normalized after the fact.

[topaz fjord]

Maxson makes sense keeping some of lyons ideas if chucking most, but the west coast leaders was that a consquence of the ncr war

[fierce arch]

Yeah, it's implied he chuckled like half, and kept some, and adopted Roger's.

[narrow phoenix]

In 1-2, they assisted Shady Sands to be a superpower on their own, but afterwards they regressed into dogmatic folk that quickly snapped at NCR for taking over Navarro and war broke out.

[topaz fjord]

Why quintus took in wasterlanders is curious to me

[fierce arch]

Probably needed the numbers.

[narrow phoenix]

Desperation? Though it must've been extreme.

[fierce arch]

Also to tact onto your earlier statement -

"The key change in Arthur Maxson's life came with adolescence and the death of Elder Owyn Lyons, and subsequently that of Elder Sarah Lyons soon after. While the crumbling Lyons' Brotherhood of Steel chafed under the leadership of one ineffectual elder after another, Maxson rapidly developed his talents. In 2279, at the age of 12, he managed to kill two raiders on a training patrol, saving the squad that was supposed to escort him. A year later, he managed to single-handedly kill a deathclaw, taking grave wounds in the process and a disfiguring scar that marred his face forever. His key achievement came in 2282, at the age of 15, when he killed a super mutant leader named Shepherd, who was trying to reorganize the remnants of the Capital Wasteland super mutant infestation. This achievement revealed another secret: that the West Coast elders were still monitoring their errant brethren. With Maxson's achievement came leadership and promotion to a provisional elder."

[topaz fjord]

Yeah because the mojave chapter was super strict on it

[fierce arch]

Also scared and paranoid because they thought they were surrounded by enemies.

[topaz fjord]

They kinda were though their biggest enemy had been in charge

[narrow phoenix]

Hmmm. Maybe the nuking of Shady Sands changed their outlook? Doubtful, but it's possible.

[topaz fjord]

I imagine the actions of lyons, Elijah and others shook the brotherhoods faith in its chapter elders

[fierce arch]

Oh, no i agree that they were. I'm just saying that they were isolated due to survival more than anything else, imo. I have to imagine the BOS / NCR war hardened them, terrified them, and paranoid them.

[topaz fjord]

Why did the lost hills elders never reach out to the outcasts i wonder

[fierce arch]

Lyon's sabotaged communications im pretty sure?

When Lyon's disobeyed, im pretty sure he cut contact off.

[narrow phoenix]

could you imagine if lyon's never split off? Holy shit, the capital wasteland would be uber fucked.

Sure, they would shoot any supermutants that looked at them funny, but they wouldn't have given a single ounce of a fuck on any technology that was about helping people.

no project purity, no GNR because Three Dog would've just been shot in the face by them for even trying to set up a deal on using the building or thrown out to the super mutants to be eaten.

[fierce arch]

Yeah, it would be worse than it is now. I mean it only paid off because Maxson at his young age decided to start becoming a leader.

[narrow phoenix]

Enclave would've easily taken over once they wait for the BoS to fuck off after they pick the place clean.

[fierce arch]

Right now, could be bias coming from the Brotherhood - but they say it's quelled of all threats.

And it's their homeland, pretty much. Majority of Maxson's forces, from 4 are back in DC.

[narrow phoenix]

after crushing the super mutant threat once and for all, I guess there's nothing really left to harass folk, besides the occasional raider and mutant animal.

[fierce arch]

Yeah, and imagine the settlements that have probably grown because of project purity.

[autumn tangle]

I think the Lurker is my favorite Zerg

[narrow phoenix]

gonna be interesting to see how Maximus fights the Deathclaw.

[fierce arch]

Looked like he was fighting a runt, tbh. But I could be wrong.

[autumn tangle]

Yeah now that you mention it it does not look like the big Alpha we see

[fierce arch]

Yeah, it was what I noticed when I looked back at it.

[topaz fjord]

Is it curious wilzigs enclave branch all wear pipboys

[inner marten]

No, it’s weird they hadn’t already

[fierce arch]

No, because it just further cements the Vault tec tie in.

[inner marten]

I don’t think anything suggest they were unique to vault tec

[fierce arch]

Pipboys? Wasn't it literally made with Vault tec and RobCo together, exclusively? I didn't think Pipboys saw use outside of them.

[topaz fjord]

Elijah is the only character i can think of with no connection to a vault dweller with one

[inner marten]

They were licensed and sold to them but there are multiple other uses and people who had them outside vault tec

[fierce arch]

I have to wonder how common it was. Something I'll probably look into.

[inner marten]

Vault tec is by far the biggest buyer

[fierce arch]

This was my impression as well. Hm. I'll look into it later.

[inner marten]

They are stupid expensive

[topaz fjord]

Yet someone gave the gary clones them

[inner marten]

The fact that the operation anchorage dlc needs it indicates that the us government utilized them

[fierce arch]

That was a niche case though?
VSS was exclusively a private thing developed for virtual training aids. I don't think there was any indication that the government utilized it beyond that capacity much that was outside of Vault tec.
And those simulations were able to be accessed without pipboys too cause DiMA overwrites them.

And DiMA never had a pipboy.

[frank olive]

Mf built like a pipboy

[civic comet]

Dima looks like trash

[inner marten]

I mean it at least proves they had some and used them, doesn’t seem like a stretch

[foggy haven]

I'm wondering if the enclave from season 1 will be relevant at all

Maybe they come after the cold fusion

[autumn tangle]

You’d think they’d have noticed it was missing by now

[fierce arch]

They did? in Season 1?

[autumn tangle]

I guess I misspoke. I meant “you’d think they’d have sent a hellfire squad out about it by now”

[fierce arch]

ah, yeah no their approach this time around is different.

[foggy haven]

Maybe they'll show up at the end

[inner marten]

We don’t know that the enclave have the code to utilize it yet

[foggy haven]

But they would still probably want it back

[inner marten]

Yes but there is room for it to be “let’s see if anyone uses and unlocks it somewhere we can scoop it from while it’s still activated

[fierce arch]

They also probably wanted to see if it works, too.

[worthy solar]

Plus, Wilzig’s actions did at least lead to the Brotherhood wiping out a NCR remnant, so that’s at least a plus for the Enclave without them having to lift a finger. Considering how much of a chaos causer cold fusion is, maybe it’d be to the Enclave’s best interest to sit back and observe; if it destabilizes their opposition, all the better.

[devout forge]

how long until the next ep?

tomorrow?

[paper radish]

still the same time as the past 4 weeks lol

[frank olive]

It feels like it's been 4 weeks in between episodes

[devout forge]

https://next-episode.net/fallout

[midnight kiln]

two in the fucking morning for the US lmao

bruh

[devout forge]

how is the US timezone so shit

american show made by an american company set in america

[midnight kiln]

guess i'm gonna be waiting until around 9pm or 10pm to be able to watch it bc why the fuck would i be awake then 😭?? even my insomnia disagrees.

and that would make sense for me (Oceania) to have a bat shit release time, BUT AMERICA IS TWO IN THE FUCKING MORNING????????

they're preying on the American insomniacs

[sly iron]

wait what time is the new episode coming out again?

[midnight kiln]

if you're in America: 2am 😭

[sly iron]

Oh that is 11 am for me

[midnight kiln]

WHY DO YOU HAVE A NORMAL ONE

[sly iron]

because i am middle eastern

[paper radish]

Timezone releases can get weird but the midnight release in PST is pretty standard for global timezones

[midnight kiln]

lucky 😔

[paper radish]

It just gets slightly more complicated with various rights when you release things on entirely different days globally; midnight on Wednesday for PST is still Wednesday for the rest of the world

Doing 6PM on Tuesday splits it across Tuesday and Wednesday globally, which is less desirable

Disney / Max / Amazon have all tried various release times at this point as far as I know and they all have different pros/cons

Also, Hollywood is PST which means the episodes come out midnight here which, if you wanted to center your show around hitting a metric for one singular timezone...PST does make sense

[midnight kiln]

OH WIAT

it's for 4pm for me 💅 HA

[paper radish]

that explains somehow noting 2AM as the release time for the US which is like....CST time zone? I don't even know what they call that one LMAO

I do sort of wish it wasn't midnight for me just because the episodes amp me up, it's hard to sleep right after watching it lol

buttttt that's preferable to waking up at like 6 to watch it before work or waiting until after work

[midnight kiln]

two different articles.

one saying an indefinite time frame:

the other a more concrete one:

suck on that eastern states i get this shit three hours early

[frank olive]

4pm for me hahaha

[fierce arch]

I just look at Amazon's times tbh

[paper radish]

Both those articles definitely say the same timezones....but uh yes, timezones get weird in the US I suppose

[fierce arch]

which for me releases at 2am CST on Wednesday.

[frank olive]

I dont even live in Singapore but

[midnight kiln]

twins

[paper radish]

I just know it's midnight for me no matter what, which makes it very easy lol

Except that first ep which threw me off tbh

[frank olive]

Western Australia here

[midnight kiln]

ME TOOO

[frank olive]

Holy fuck

[midnight kiln]

YOUR THE FIRST MF IVE FOUND EVER ONLINE THATS FROM WA

[paper radish]

wow, they have fallout in AU? I'm American, I forget other countries exist

[midnight kiln]

YUH

[frank olive]

Of course

Can't find shit to do with fallout here tho

[midnight kiln]

real

[paper radish]

Did any of you western Australians (Western Australianers?) watch House of the Dragon or The Last of Us?

[midnight kiln]

i don't sorry 😔

[frank olive]

I've seen the last of us

[paper radish]

nice, well you're welcome then. I did my job and made sure the metadata made it to AU for those titles lmao

[frank olive]

Ay

[solemn geyser]

Enclave fans stay winning knowing they gave Hank a nuke and cold fusion caused the BOS to squabble

And the Legion became a bunch of fighting idiots due to ceasar’s death

And the Khans are gonna be fucked seeing 20 big power armor soldiers walking down the street with gatling lasers

and House being paranoid as fuck all season

truly

[narrow phoenix]

when Khans listen to the Courier to leave for the north

[fierce arch]

Khan Empire, Wyoming Heartland.

[pulsar lake]

!mute @fierce arch 30m Rule 2 violations

[orchid plover]

zeekx muted caliga. for 30 minutes. Reason: Rule 2 violations

[midnight kiln]

THIRTY MINUTES???

what did they post 😭

[pulsar lake]

something violating rule 2

[midnight kiln]

ngl i find it genuinely funny that you have a 1984 server tag and you're out moderating what people can and cannot do or say

-# no shame; just funny

[pulsar lake]

you got the joke,

[midnight kiln]

\xD

[tardy granite]

Wait is episode 5 out?

[paper radish]

Nope

24.25 hours

[sly iron]

All i understood was that zeekx was born in 1954

Which is common knowledge so it make sense he had something to remind him of 1984

[brave prairie]

[midnight kiln]

episode five is, yes. episode six will be out tomorrow.

[slow wadi]

why can it already be out

[devout forge]

nz is a whole day ahead of us

they already saw the episode

[plucky knot]

Who else is waking up at 3am to watch ts

So today we will know who the guy house was talking about

Because the episode is titled “the other player”

[outer lake]

if i was still unemployed i would be

i used to stay up till like 5am for new game of thrones and steven universe episodes

[crimson hornet]

Oh it's releasing tonight isn't it

[inner marten]

3 am on east and midnight on the west

[inner marten]

That’s not how that works

[fading plover]

it is now

[fading plover]

when showing the chip thingy?

[fading plover]

you got mad max though

[pulsar lake]

8am for you, i think

[devout forge]

inner australia is basically fallout without the mutants

[midnight kiln]

you're welcome for Mad Max tho - one of the inspirations for Fallout

but Western Australia is like… not the middle middle

that'd be Northern Territory and South Australia.

we breach the middle.. but there's like no one out there as is the case for all the other states pretty much because the middle of Australia is just fucking desert

we also have cave people

they live in caves

[crimson hornet]

Yeah it'll be about that. So I'll be at work.

[midnight kiln]

i mean… the copious amounts of druggies living in rural towns sure does give off Mad Max vibes

[fading plover]

i guess he was inspired

[chilly oasis]

This picture is stuck in my mind, idk why

[whole totem]

Because it implies House is still alive.

[chilly oasis]

Not that.

The way it looks, ig

I think it's just funny thinking that Justin Theoroux probably sat down in front of a green screen staring at a camera the entire time while showing a bunch of random expressions

[whole totem]

Probably also talking, too.

[chilly oasis]

Mr. House is the first Vtuber in the Fallout universe

[whole totem]

First and only.

And he Vtubes as... himself.

[chilly oasis]

I think Father Elijah counts?

[whole totem]

Nah, that was like a communications hologram from Star Wars.

[inner marten]

I doubt he has more then 1 expression

[chilly oasis]

Imagine all of his expressions are just this

Angry, happy, sad, scared, surprised, bored, annoyed

[hazy axle]

House fans should be thankful they made him be genuinely smart (in the game you never know for sure when he's accurately describing himself or if it's just his ego talking) rather than like elon

Making him a piece of shit ruthless businessman is fully in line with the game, though

[fierce arch]

The only thing House is technically suspect about, is him going to space, but again people take that as such a literal and direct - in your face plan, like it's gonna happen in the next 5 years or so, when he's just saying it in the best case scenario, if everything goes perfect - in a hundred or so years, probably double that he would be in space. But again, that's assuming everything goes perfect, which we know isn't necessarily always what happens. It's a lofty goal, you can argue but.

[whole totem]

I still don't think that's his actual goal. The guy who invented the "Automated Man" wouldn't give two fucks about going to space. That's for people who actually give a shit about humanity's future.

[inner marten]

Even his ending slides make no mention of space and shit

It’s a single remark of him trying to flex his intellect

[foggy haven]

House doesn't care at all about anyone else

[fierce arch]

Yeah I was more so refencing it cause people use it as a argument to pinpoint he's lying.
I don't think in general, anything House has flat out told you has been a lie, has it?

[foggy haven]

He would be perfectly happy with humanity going extinct as long as he was still around

And had what he wanted

[inner marten]

House had nothing set aside to help people survive the war, he only cared about infra structure

He didn’t set up food vaults or anything useful for individuals

[whole totem]

To him, other people are more useful if they can be controlled like a robot.

[foggy haven]

If he managed to digitize himself I'm sure he would eventually come to the conclusion to wipe out all life on earth given his mindset

[fierce arch]

He can't, he needs cold fusion to digitize himself. He says that. And victor states House never got it.

[foggy haven]

Well that's the if

[whole totem]

I don't think he needed cold fusion for the actual process of digitizing himself. I think he needed it to keep the computer containing his digitized self running forever.

Cold fusion is clean, perpetual energy.

[fierce arch]

We don't know, yet. I do think it's the other way around where he needed Cold Fusion in order to do it, and if he gets it in the finale, then he'll digitize himself.

[whole totem]

Considering he already had the tech to digitize his girlfriends, though...

And used it, without cold fusion.

[foggy haven]

Those are just copies

[whole totem]

So would he be.

[foggy haven]

No the idea is to transfer his consciousness not just a copy of his memories

[whole totem]

But you can't just do that. It's not possible.

[foggy haven]

This is the power of RobCo

[whole totem]

I disagree.

[fierce arch]

It wasn't necessarily digitize so much as it was like Victor.

[whole totem]

He still had to scan their brains to do it.

[fierce arch]

Yes but what House is talking about is more than just scanning his brain.

[whole totem]

Is it? Because uploading your actual consciousness is impossible.

It's a purely biological thing. You can't just transfer that to digital form and have it still be you on the other side.

He's backing himself up like he did his girlfriends. To him that's the same thing as living forever, even though it's not, because his ego is that massive.

[fierce arch]

Yes, what I'm saying is that it's impossible without Cold Fusion, Cold fusion is literally miracle tech. That's kind of it's whole purpose of being a MacGuffin.

[fierce arch]

But why would he make himself like his girlfriends, and not make himself even larger, I.E. turning himself into a proper digitized lifeform rather than a program if his ego is that massive?

He'd want to be above his creations, not like them.

[whole totem]

Because he knows what's possible and what isn't.

He wants his to last forever, he doesn't care if theirs do.

[fierce arch]

Right but now we have the context of Cold fusion involved. So it is possible.

[foggy haven]

Laws of physics in Fallout are different from irl

[fierce arch]

This is also true.

[foggy haven]

For example radiation

[whole totem]

Cold fusion will simply allow the backup to last forever. Regular nuclear power will last a long time but not nearly as long.

[fierce arch]

Radiation is literally magic.

[fierce arch]

I don't think so, genuinely. I don't think it's as simple as it just being a back up for House.

[foggy haven]

Saying is not physically possible like bro radiation turns people in immortal ghouls lol

[whole totem]

Well, I haven't seen anything indicating it's as literal as you're taking it either.

[fierce arch]

Yeah, and there's a bunch of miracle tech introduced, there is a reason it can happen.

[plush owl]

looks at Nick
Well, technically it’s a brain scan uploaded into a gen 2 body, but still.

[foggy haven]

Why would house knowingly kill himself

[fierce arch]

Yeah like it doesn't make any sense, lol especially now that we know he was waiting for miracle tech.

[foggy haven]

He is far too egotistical for that

[fierce arch]

I agree.

[whole totem]

Who said anything about him killing himself?

[foggy haven]

If you brain scan alone like the securitron girlfriends then it wouldn't be him

It would be a copy of him

[whole totem]

His ego's big enough that as far as he's concerned it is.

[foggy haven]

No he is too smart for that

[whole totem]

Nobody with an ego as massive as his is "too smart for that."

[foggy haven]

He flat out says he's waiting for tech to advance

[whole totem]

Because he has no other choice.

[fierce arch]

We don't know that though. That's what im saying.

[whole totem]

The life support pod was Plan B.

[foggy haven]

A man with an ego as big as himself couldn't accept a copy of himself being the one to go forward

[whole totem]

If a version of him that'd last forever isn't on the table, he'd have to keep himself around long enough to rectify that.

[fierce arch]

The only context that was added additionally was him waiting on Cold Fusion, and he explicitly doesn't say SCAN he says transfering his conciousness and shedding his organic form. That is way, way more indepth than just scanning his brain.

[whole totem]

I dunno. I still think he's just looking at regular brain scan stuff differently because he's a self-absorbed POS.

[foggy haven]

Brain scans already exist

Why would he be waiting for something that already has happened

[fierce arch]

He is self-absorbed, but his ego would place him above that. He would give OTHERS regular brain scans, he HIMSELF would aim for something higher. Which is what Cold Fusion enables.

[whole totem]

Yes but their power sources won't keep those scans around forever. Cold fusion will.

[fierce arch]

They do though if his network is online, his network doesn't operate off of cold fusion.

[whole totem]

It's still a finite power source he's currently using.

[fierce arch]

No it's not, he calculates all of this. He tells you all of this in dialogue. He can run on the power from the Dam for as long as he needs.
It's finite in the sense that it'll last a hundred years or so, maybe even more - but if he needs more he ups the power. He says he's only operating on like, what 3% or 5% of the Dam's power? While the Dam itself is operating at 50%?

[whole totem]

The dam can only generate power as long as there's water in Lake Mead. When that lake finally dries up, what happens then?

[fierce arch]

The lake isn't going to dry up any time soon, as far as I know. In lore, it still rains, and such - and the only dialogue we have about Lake Mead is Hanlon, whose unreliable at best when it comes to that. I'm pretty sure this was established in both Lore channels, and other Channels. As far as Lake mead goes, it's not drying up any time soon.

[inner marten]

Would take a long long time with the current population of the area

Possibly never

[fierce arch]

I understand house is a POS, but he's not entirely wrong in his calculations in the way he's organized things.

[inner marten]

It already feeds 40 million people and tons of ag irl

It’s higher in game than it is currently in real life

[unique locust]

Tonight's the night

https://tenor.com/view/enclave-fallout-enclave-spinning-enclave-enclave-flag-gif-15551566937016994335

[whole totem]

Look, I'm not against the idea of him actually uploading his consciousness. We've seen that in Star Trek. I just don't want to go in expecting that level of tech, you know? I'd rather be surprised than disappointed. So I'm keeping my expectations and predictions more or less conservative.

[inner marten]

I think the tech is there to copy it, he needs tons of power to actually run it

[fierce arch]

But that tech already exists.

[whole totem]

But it doesn't.

[fierce arch]

Literally in synths, it does!

[inner marten]

Everything so far has been rough simulations of intelligence, house wants to run a perfect one of himself

[whole totem]

That's not a transfer, it's just a brain scan.

[inner marten]

Would take much more power

We can literally digitize memories in fallout 4

The tech is there

[fierce arch]

It is a one to one copy, it's more than just a brain-scan. That's the whole point in FO4, and the whole simulations and DIMA technology stuff. The tech already exists in lore.

[whole totem]

But it's not a full-on transfer, either. The original individual still exists as that individual.

[inner marten]

Symantics

[whole totem]

That's why the Institute straight-up murders them after completing the synth copy.

[inner marten]

Transfer isn’t possible ever

That’s not how physics works

House knows he will terminate his flesh bag once it’s done

[whole totem]

Even Nick Valentine -- the original -- continued living as himself with no idea the data that had been scanned would one day be used in a prototype robot that'd actually carry on his legacy and potentially finish his personal quest.

[foggy haven]

Arguing physics in Fallout where physics are explicitly different than real life

We have teleportation and time travel in fallout

[whole totem]

We don't have time travel.

Guardian of Forever isn't canon.

[fierce arch]

Was it ever stated it wasn't canon???

[whole totem]

How the hell could it be? It was a straight-up lifting of someone else's IP for the sake of a joke.

[spark cloud]

It's a joke reference to another IP, just like the TARDIS event.

[whole totem]

You might as well say the TARDIS appearing in Fallout 1 was canon too.

[fierce arch]

Ah okay.

[inner marten]

Either way house isn’t trying to do a legit transfer, he wants to create an identical digital copy down to the electrons

[whole totem]

I mean it's fun to headcanon crossovers and shit like that, but that's all that will ever be is headcanon. Not actual canon.

[inner marten]

A perfect simulacrum

[fierce arch]

This is my understanding too, it's something beyond what is already done.

Brain scans exists, he wants something more, something more powerful.

[inner marten]

The memories have been copied before but not every single individual neuron and cell

[whole totem]

At least, not by him. The Institute did this with their Gen 3 synths.

They would have had to, for the infiltration program.

[inner marten]

They weren’t perfect copies with a capital p Perfect

They were good enough to act nearly identical but house is a perfectionist

[fierce arch]

Yeah, the issue is that they weren't perfect which is how they got compromised.

[inner marten]

Gen 3 synths are vat grown brains with Memories implanted

[whole totem]

He clearly wants to basically turn himself into Skynet though.

[inner marten]

He wants an exact copy of his brain

[oblique tulip]

11 hours til the show

[inner marten]

Yes

[inner marten]

12 hours 12 minutes

[whole totem]

I am ready for tomorrow morning for sure!

Episode 6 is gonna be another banger, I can feel it.

[fierce arch]

Gotta stay awake for 12 more hours.

[hazy axle]

Again, he could have just been given the elon treatment lol

[whole totem]

Not me, I have to sleep tonight. But I'll be up early enough to watch the episode before work. lol

[hazy axle]

Maybe he wants it to be only for him and the families, kinda like vault tec only preserved some "pets"

[fierce arch]

I doubt it, and is really bad faith interpretation. Given there was actual huge thought and inspiration behind House - I don't like the guy, but look beyond the hatred for a second. lol

[inner marten]

Why do you think that the show runners would just tank a character for the lols, they have been very faithful so far

Geography no but characterizations have been spot on

[fierce arch]

Agreed.

[spark cloud]

Even the Legion

[plucky knot]

Idk what u mean im talking about the episode is titled The other player so we will know who “the other player” that house references is

[fading plover]

oh. enclave for sure

[plucky knot]

I think barb is working for the enclave and so is Steph

[tardy granite]

Which episode was the one where the ghoul gets punched out a window

[fierce arch]

five

[plucky knot]

I’m not too sure about Hank I think he’s working for house but I think house eventually rivals the enclave

[tardy granite]

Wait seriously?

[fading plover]

yes

[fierce arch]

yes

[tardy granite]

I thought that was 4 lmao I was so confused

[fierce arch]

no, it happens at the end of episode 5.

[plucky knot]

Potential followers of the apocalypse showing up to save the ghoul?

Either the ghoul finds an auto doc or the followers help him

[tardy granite]

Kinda weird how they contradicted what house thinks about slavery though

[hazy axle]

Because again, we don't know exactly how honest he is in the game

So they could interpret that in a number of ways

I myself wouldn't even mind if they made him more of a fraud

[whole totem]

They didn't. House lied to us.

[fierce arch]

Again ,what does house lie about, I've asked this several times

[hazy axle]

My point is that House fans shouldn't be complaining

[fierce arch]

aside from him being POS - what has he actively lied or been deceptive about.

[hazy axle]

I still got him being a dickhead to workers at least so let's meet in the middle

[whole totem]

His stance on slavery. His plans for humanity's future. Caring at all about humanity itself.

[hazy axle]

My point is that we don't know

Because we only have his word to go off

[plucky knot]

House is lowkey tuff

[fierce arch]

What stance on Slavery - explain in detail, please. Cause as far as I know based on the conversations happening in here with people more knwoledgable than I, House has not lied once.

[plucky knot]

Ugh all I wanna do is finish my NV playthrough but I have to study

[fierce arch]

He's boasted about his intellect, but he's not lied.

[plucky knot]

I hate senioritis I wanna do everything but study

[hazy axle]

Where? Unless you mean wage slavery

[plucky knot]

Wasn’t gob wage slaves

[whole totem]

Apparently he bitches at you for "condemning humanity to slavery" if you tell him you're siding with Caesar. As if he wouldn't have done that himself.

[hazy axle]

Gob?

[plucky knot]

The ghoul from fallout 3 in megaton I think that’s what his name was

[hazy axle]

Maybe he's just being hypocritical there

Oh you guys are talking about the mind control stuff

[fierce arch]

Yes I know, but what is his specific stance on it.
I know he bitches at you for choosing Caesar, but what choices or quotes, or dialogue does he say that specifically hints or shows him having a clear stance on Slavery - and what does he do to contradict that.

[plucky knot]

I don’t know what I’ll do with myself once the show ends

[fierce arch]

oh, is that what people are attributing to him wanting slavery????

[whole totem]

Mind control is slavery.

[hazy axle]

House probably only wanted to use the brain chips on important people

[hazy axle]

Yeah, just not in the exact same way as caesar

[plucky knot]

Well the snake oil salesman consented

[hazy axle]

Mental slavery, not physical

[whole totem]

I don't care.

[fierce arch]

We have zero knowledge on what he intended to use it for. I'm not saying he couldn't have used it on a mass population, but he abandons the technology clearly???

[hazy axle]

No ancap style arguments please

[plucky knot]

He was actually happy to be hanks slave he wanted to loose all his memories

[oblique tulip]

The other subjects didn't

[fading plover]

when you side with legion and kill him he says

"Slavery... the future of... mankind? What... have you... done? "

[hazy axle]

"what if the child consents" -ancaps be like

[whole totem]

Because he couldn't solve the side-effect of it causing people's heads to explode.

[plucky knot]

Idk what this is

[whole totem]

Dude's a lying hack, for sure.

[hazy axle]

But as his dying words though? Ehhh I don't know

[plucky knot]

I think he’s lying lmao he just wants to be a dik to the courier because he’s about to die

[hazy axle]

Unless he himself was in denial of his hypocrisy

[fierce arch]

That is what we're assuming. I'm asking for clear cut evidence of him wanting to use it on the populace. All we know/saw was him testing it on people, there's a bunch of technology in Fallout that's used to test on people, then animals, and vice versa. My question is more so do we have any information of him claiming outright or supporting that he wants to use it on a general populace or are we just assuming?

[fading plover]

thats actually the one of 2 lines he has about slavery

the other is saying that Omertas use to enslave people

[hazy axle]

That part felt rushed, like House doesn't know anything about Yes Man but says "your vanity project is doomed to fail"

[fierce arch]

when they were a tribe, before becoming part of the three families, i believe.

[fading plover]

yes

[whole totem]

He wants to be an autocrat after the War. That is his actual end-goal, is ruling over Vegas. Mind control devices would make that so much more efficient than simply relying on Securitrons striking fear in the populace.

[fierce arch]

House figures out about yes man pretty quick, actually when you tell him. But Benny also hid him well.

[fierce arch]

But again, this is an assumption. Is there any evidence to support it, or any dialogue suggest he wants this, or that's what he designed the mind-control device for exactly?

[hazy axle]

There's also the theory that he secretly is Yes Man and the House in New Vegas is the body double

[fierce arch]

A stupid theory. lol but we'll see if that pans out.

[whole totem]

No. There's nothing. All we can do is speculate. But given what we have seen it's not hard to reach the conclusions I'm reaching at all.

[hazy axle]

He also wants to have a "freedom" spin on dictatorship, like andrew ryan

[whole totem]

It's called "pay attention, know your history, etc."

[whole totem]

Yeah that's never gonna fucking work. lol

[fierce arch]

Okay, thank you. That's what I was trying to figure out - I thought there was something I missed, or dialogue I didn't see. If it's speculation then I can understand why people might think that.

[hazy axle]

Correct

[fading plover]

this is a silly theory

i would hate if the fnv body was the double

[fierce arch]

The reality is that the body double is just a body double. lol it won't get any development beyond that.

[whole totem]

Overriding Yes Man with his brain-scanned A.I. form is definitely possible though, in the event of his demise. Actually, having that kick in in any of the other endings you get is entirely possible.

[plucky knot]

I think it ruins the whole plot

[oblique tulip]

Yes man being mr house makes zero sense

[fierce arch]

I don't even think House died is the thing, I'm still running with the idea the courier just delivered the Chip and left. Until I'm proven otherwise.

[fading plover]

i don't think the mr house double will have much more relevance in the show

[inner marten]

Or house won

[fierce arch]

beyond pre-war? nah, we see him making the deal.

[fading plover]

oh true that

[fierce arch]

that too, is also possible.

[plucky knot]

This is def what happened they are showing house and hyping him up way too much

[fierce arch]

Gonna make a lot of people mad. lol

[fading plover]

i think they won't reveal who won, but house might be digitized in lucky 38 after he gets cold fusion

[whole totem]

So far that does seem the most likely thing, but I don't think they're going to confirm or deny House's demise, in which case figuring out for ourselves how he can still be around during the events of the show without completely invalidating our playthroughs, using the clues and hints the show has given already, becomes the order of the day.

[plucky knot]

I don’t care who gets mad they are going to infer who won I’m pretty sure that’s what they said but they won’t out right say it

[plucky knot]

I don’t like this idea

I feel like then there’s no point of the rest of nv

[whole totem]

The point is to have fun.

[plucky knot]

I think it’ll be implied

[fierce arch]

I actually think they will because they already confirmed other Leader's.

[fading plover]

they won't reveal what the courier did, but they might mention the chip maybe.

[inner marten]

They won’t say who won and will keep it kinda confusing but the only legit possibility left will be house

[whole totem]

Only Caesar. And Caesar was going to die anyway.

[fierce arch]

nope, Kimball too

[plucky knot]

Yea but kimball was kinda old and it’s been 15 years since NV

[whole totem]

But they didn't confirm how Kimball died.

[carmine bay]

Courier trickshotted him on the Hoover Dam

[whole totem]

Kimball could have been in Shady Sands, or he could have been assassinated at Hoover Dam. They don't say which.

[fierce arch]

It doesn't matter how he died. You said they won't disclose his fate, and I said they would cause they've already disclosed the fate of other leaders.
Kimball probably died in Shady Sands because his memorial is on the shady sands memorial in season 1.

[fading plover]

assinated in shady sands before the bomb

[fierce arch]

or the bomb went off and took him with, either way, he's still gone, like Caesar.

Which is two leader's fates they've disclosed, they probably will disclose House's.

[whole totem]

Or he was the last President the NCR had, they didn't elect a new one after he was assassinated.

[plucky knot]

@fierce arch I can prove your case is wrong where the courier delivered the chip and left no other person has permission to enter the fort other then the courier and we see the securitrons are upgraded

[unique locust]

So tuff

[whole totem]

Hybrid T-45 is best T-45.

[fierce arch]

Well yeah he probably upgraded it too, I imagine. I'm saying beyond that, there's nothing else.

[plucky knot]

Well I feel like that’s an important piece of it all I mean how else will someone get to the fort and upgrade securitrons without access

[carmine bay]

We probably won’t see any but heavy troopers in the lost battalion would go hard

[fierce arch]

Unlikely. || The reason I say this is because the NCR is being pushed to have a big presence in Season 3, not having or them not electing another president wouldn't make sense. They probably did elect someone else. I don't think the choices in-game are going to reflect in the show. Caesar died to natural causes with Cancer, Kimball died either in the SS bombing, or before - either way, he's confirmed dead. ||

[whole totem]

The only securitrons we see with confirmed upgrades are the destroyed ones on the Strip.

Those get upgraded if you deliver the Chip, you don't need to go to the Fort.

[fierce arch]

No the one in the Sunset Factory was upgraded, too, and as far as we know. Software upgrades can't be hacked, nor is there any implication that it's feasibly done in lore. Unless they retcon it. I doubt Thaddeus or any of those kids had the skills to hack a Securitron and upgrade it to MK2.

[whole totem]

Why, because of a face on a screen?

The securitron was hacked and glitching out. It also didn't use anything other than its 9mm submachine gun.

[fierce arch]

Yeah it doesn't change otherwise. That kind of was the big deal, even in OWB it's kinda hammered home. Even if they glitch out, they don't randomly upgrade themselves.

And it's an important distinction between the Mk1 and Mk2, i highly, highly doubt the showrunners threw it in there just for laughs.

[plucky knot]

I mean using rockets close range is dangerous

[whole totem]

And yet they do that anyway.

[fierce arch]

This also, it doesn't make sense for it to suddenly start spamming rockets inside the factory.

[plucky knot]

Yea and I feel like lasers do more then bullets and would risk the structure collapsing

[whole totem]

Considering they went the extra mile to make that turret in Season 1 wildly inaccurate, is it really a stretch to assume they wouldn't make the Securitrons as careless with their weaponry as they are in game?

[fierce arch]

From a production standpoint too, the likely reason is that they wanted to tease/confirm the upgrade, but didn't want the scene to drag out or have more effects than it already did. They fight scene with the Securitron was kinda weird as is. And they probably didn't want to complicate it.

[plucky knot]

Yea

[fierce arch]

Yeah because the turrets just missing their shots is a lot less different than spamming rockets in doors when the area itself where they were fighting, probably wouldn't have gone well. You can chalk it up to plot, or scene direction, but it just wouldn't make sense.

[whole totem]

I don't think the face is actually tied to the O.S. that's being run. I think it's a matter of programming and AI. Otherwise they wouldn't have Victor able to jump from securitron to securitron seamlessly and override their screens.

[fierce arch]

House literally says it is though. The Securitrons can't get upgraded without that software which is what triggers the distinction between the faces. This doesn't happen in any other way shape or form.

[whole totem]

He doesn't say anything about the face, only the capabilities.

[fierce arch]

But the face is part of the distinction, again.

[whole totem]

For the sake of gameplay, yes.

[fierce arch]

No it's literally mentioned in lore, don't people comment on it?

It's not strictly from just a gameplay perspective. I distinctly remember people commenting about the changes of the Securitrons.

[whole totem]

They do, but again it could be because the O.S. forces the AI to use another face. That doesn't mean the face comes with the OS upgrade.

The securitrons could easily have had it as an option from the start and just never used it because they were in peacekeeper mode.

[fierce arch]

Also idk where the ai is coming from, are any of the programs House using an actual Ai or is it something else?

actually i'll look it up, hang on.

[whole totem]

I'm calling it "AI" because I don't know what the proper term is.

Or I do but it's too long to type out every time.

[inner marten]

This is a huge stretch

[whole totem]

And "PM" is used by too many other phrases to shorten "personality matrix" to.

[fierce arch]

i agree, it's why im gonna double check just to make sure i have the correct information

[inner marten]

It’s clear what they are trying to communicate

They got the upgrade, note the one pre war has the cop face

[whole totem]

Cop face = peacekeeper mode. Soldier face = ready for war

How the fuck is this so difficult to grasp?

[fierce arch]

Because one does not appear without the upgrade. That's the whole point of the upgrade.

[whole totem]

Consider the timing of the upgrade.

[inner marten]

Because it’s litteraly spelled out in game that it comes from the upgrade and is commented on by characters

It’s pointless change to make for no reason to just let them change faces because of the lols

[whole totem]

You deliver that upgrade and House immediately starts prepping to go to war against both the NCR and the Legion.

Why would the securitrons not reflect that?

[inner marten]

Why would he not just use the war face anyways then if he’s already preparing for war

Why wait untill he has the new os

This is weird mental gymnastics that aren’t necessary

[fierce arch]

So double checking the lore - it is infact strictly because of the upgrade.
the ones in OWB even hammer home, that despite being glitched/hacked they cannot access the same weaponry. The wiki also points out that the only one with the Soldier face IS the upgraded securitrons.

[whole totem]

"The Wiki"

[fierce arch]

There's nothing in the lore that suggests the O.S. can be pushed without the upgrade.

Yes, i checked both sources.

[whole totem]

You do realize nobody from Bethesda or Obsidian actually edits that, right?

[carmine bay]

[whole totem]

The Wiki isn't exactly an ironclad source of lore.

[fierce arch]

"Berserk - The face of the berserk Securitron unit is distorted. The berserk model can use the missile launchers on its shoulders and the laser in its arm, but not the grenade launcher or machine gun."
"Damaged - The face of the damaged Securitron is a more distorted variant of the berserk Securitron's face with a no symbol overlaid on top of it. It can use the grenade launcher and machine gun, but not the other weapons."

[fierce arch]

It takes things directly represented in lore and game, and again, im looking at the sources, as well.

[whole totem]

Yes but it also interprets everything in a purely gameplay focus, when you're looking at a gameplay article.

Gameplay =/= lore.

[inner marten]

Fam it’s clearly something that happens exactly when the upgrade is sent out, we have zero reason to think it isn’t directly linked

[plucky knot]

I’m a good source of lore

[fierce arch]

Super bad faith, imo. But I digress. Majority of folks in here use sources, whether from the wiki or other places for lore. Right or wrong.

[inner marten]

Idk why you are trying to bend over backwards for this

[whole totem]

And, again, if the soldier face is tied to the O.S. then how the fuck is Victor able to jump from Securitron to Securitron and bring his own face with him? He's running on the same O.S. as the other securitrons.

[fierce arch]

Victor is a special case, he was designed differently.

[inner marten]

Victor has his own special programming

[fierce arch]

Victor wasn't designed specifically to be included in the upgrades, iirc.

I'm pretty sure his dialogue says this even? I could be wrong, but I swear he mentions not being like the rest cause he's unique.

[inner marten]

Yes there is an easy way to change the jpg if house really wanted to but he clearly uses the faces to let people tell the difference between mk1 and mk2

[whole totem]

Yes Man can also do the same thing.

[inner marten]

No reason to think otherwise

[fierce arch]

Yes man is also designed differently. Lol

[inner marten]

Yes the other securitron with unique programming lmao

[fierce arch]

Both Victor and Yes Man have unique programing, and different designs internally that set them apart. both of them say this.

[whole totem]

So what was the securitron doing with that lady's voice and those other pictures in the Sunset Sarsparilla plant?

[plucky knot]

Ajax are synthes huma in your opinion?

[fierce arch]

Depends, Gen 3s or no

[plucky knot]

All synths

[fierce arch]

Gen 3s are only human, the rest are not

[inner marten]

The malfunctioning ones?

[whole totem]

Gen 3s aren't human either.

Humans are born, not assembled from parts in a lab Frankenstein-style.

[inner marten]

Gen 3s are people and 99.99% human

[fierce arch]

I'm not having this debate, I'll finish the other one first at least. lol

[inner marten]

Humans are based on their dna and construction, factors of their birth have no effect on if they are human or nor

Construction as in their physical makeup

[fierce arch]

Which securitron, do you mean the other faces that glitched out on the Securitron in the plant?

[whole totem]

Yes. Faces AND voices, it was constantly switching back and forth.

[inner marten]

Because they are hacked and or malfunctioning

[fierce arch]

That was probably because it was hacked, AFTER it was upgraded. I imagine the Upgrade happened first - and it was hacked after the fact.

[whole totem]

Yes, but where did those pictures come from? I highly doubt they were added by the kids or Thaddeus.

[inner marten]

Nobody is debating the fact that the securitrons could store two jpgs fam

[fierce arch]

Who knows the glitched ones in OWB werent standard faces either, they were ones we haven't seen before and didn't know exist.
But again, it doesn't change the fact that the Upgraded face only appears on Upgraded securitrons. Nowhere else.

And hacking or glitching doesn't enable the face to appear elsewhere. I don't think it's that complicated, I think it's simple. They're distinguishing that pre-war, they have the peacekeepers, post-war They're Upgraded. We see rocket pods expended on the ones in the Strip, and the face appears and the voice with the one in the factory.

[plucky knot]

Always such valid opinions with you Ajax

Never a dull moment

[fierce arch]

Now if y'all wanna have that synth debate

you can, I am not. lol that's always a philosophical can of worms. lol

[whole totem]

I kinda hope we do get some hints as to the state of Primm and Goodsprings, at least. Though I suspect they're intentionally trying not to touch those.

[fierce arch]

Someone said Goodsprings will be shown?

But I think the Primm stuff was just a backround thing, unfortunately, which does suck.

[whole totem]

I speculated a few days ago that we might see Goodsprings because the shot in the trailer where Lucy's using the power fist looked to me like the entry hall to Doc Mitchell's house.

[autumn tangle]

Primm Slim and Fisto? Be still my heart

[whole totem]

But now we know it was the Atomic Wrangler.

[fading plover]

that would be so weird if it was goodsprings, why would they go to vegas strip, freeside then goodsprings and back again

[whole totem]

There was nothing to indicate that was the order of events from the season trailer.

[autumn tangle]

We might see Maximus and Thaddeus go by Goodsprings or Primm

Assuming we’re gonna see them at the Strip proper in the final two episodes

Considering the whole Deathclaw Hunter power armor scene

[fading plover]

someone said that Coop might go to Camp Forlon Hope? he goes to another NCR camp so it could be forlon, couldbe max finds the PA there

[manic marsh]

This was my favorite episode of the season so far, I think

[paper radish]

same

[manic marsh]

I bet Barbara's and Janey's pods are going to be empty or have other people in them

I also predict that we'll see a flashback of House entering his pod and the missile defense system being used on the day of the Great War

[fierce arch]

We will have to see, we don't know what camp he goes to. I think the mutant will take him there cause he says, "There's a War coming and you'll need some friends."

[manic marsh]

All of the super mutants from Jacobstown

[fading plover]

no he says "well then you need friends, there's a war coming"

[oblique tulip]

Are the friends the protagonist of f5 🤯

[fading plover]

[fierce arch]

Same diff, semantics. lol

[paper radish]

clearly this will be the climax of S2, with deathclaws, maximus, lucy, the ghoul, and the legion all vying for control of the strip ( 95% /s)

[carmine bay]

Legion + Deathclaw team up

[fierce arch]

Caesar conquered the Deathclaws confirmed

[fading plover]

o is the season out?

[paper radish]

looks like it's based on time zones, I think it starts the 21st

whenever that date begins locally, so europe is just getting it anytime now, while US will have it in like 9 hours or whatever.

which also goes back to why things like the actual TV show episodes release at the same time globally so it's all the same day instead of a rollout like this where it's 12:01AM domestically lol

[fading plover]

i got the app so i will check in 1 hour when it's 21st for me

[paper radish]

Nice! Do let me know if you see it then, I'm curious if that's how the rollout goes for it

[fading plover]

i will screenshot the quests and stuff, i did the season 1 viva new vegas or whatever

[brazen island]

Death claw + Legion alliance? Lmao

[low cove]

So I'm wondering with the new focus on Deathclaws and reveals of FEV in the plot, along with House suspecting whoever behind them is a new player that will push oblivion, does this imply that West Tek is going to get focus soon and maybe it will canonize what Tim Cain said that China dropped the bombs in retaliation for the US's FEV research and militerazation?

[autumn tangle]

I dunno but I think they’re setting Thaddeus up for a heroic sacrifice

[low cove]

Also does this mean that Thaddeus isn't gonna become a supermutant? I was really hoping for that and it could naturally ease its way to introducing the Supermutant side of the world

[manic marsh]

I think FEV will be the explanation for why the chip worked on the weird guy

I bet they'll go back to the old lore from the Fallout Bible that says everyone in the wasteland has been exposed to FEV

[whole totem]

I mean, that's not unlikely. Especially since the Ghoul's not wearing his coat or vest in that image.

[dawn dust]

@outer lake fake fan

@fierce arch https://youtu.be/G3ge3AVDSKY?si=mmGjX5k5Ch8zae65

[cinder sleet]

What in sam hell

||Bill?
SQUIRREL RANGER????||

[foggy haven]

Choose your team Lucy

[chilly oasis]

DONT YOU FUCKING TOUCH MR. RANGER

[narrow phoenix]

god I hope the ||ranger|| makes it, the legion fella should be experimented on.

[fierce arch]

excuse me

[foggy haven]

Ncr L incoming

[fierce arch]

People are gonna be MAAAD. lol

[chilly oasis]

THE NCR HAS HAD ENOUGH

DON’T FUCKING DO THIS

[carmine bay]

Infinite NCR death

[foggy haven]

How much more betrayal can Lucy take 😭

[chilly oasis]

Me killing Robert Chud House for the 7 millionth time

[fierce arch]

It'll be okay. ❤️

|| so much for the NCR group going to meet up with the Battalion. ||

[narrow phoenix]

||losing a vet ranger absolutely sucks balls, jesus, so much training down the toilet||

[foggy haven]

Another W

[chilly oasis]

He’s an old one too

[carmine bay]

This is how I feel when I kill Moore

[fierce arch]

wym, the legion's there too, don't be coy mf

[chilly oasis]

I don’t like Moore either

[chilly oasis]

Clown Legion is currently fighting over a mound of dirt.

At least NCR has a legacy in some manner or form

[narrow phoenix]

curious on how many casualties the legion suffers from this civil war that broke out.

[carmine bay]

Their legacy is the Khanate Empire

[fierce arch]

a lot, and its gonna take time for the new Caesar to actually unite the full force of the legion, cause i imagine back in their Heartland, shit is turned upside down, too.

[chilly oasis]

Well, they’re at war with the Khans

[foggy haven]

The NKR

[carmine bay]

Khans took all of their land back, common raider W

NCR are just gonna be that battalion watch

[oblique tulip]

W for the khans

[narrow phoenix]

I dunno if I could even consider Khans raiders anymore. They have infrastructure, culture, and apparently have a touch on farm/survival skills. They just hate the NCR, well..their head hancho does, dunno if he's still around, but they probably have the influence.

[fierce arch]

They're the pinnacle of what Raiders can become, I suppose?

[narrow phoenix]

yeah, like an evolution process. Went from Raider-->Tribe--->Empire.

[carmine bay]

Tribes can be raiders though

Really I’d just define a raider as a organization that survives primarily off of raiding

[narrow phoenix]

but the Khans don't anymore. They got bad blood with NCR, but they don't go harass or raiding other settlements. In fact, they actually do deals, and live off the land. Though they do hate red rock.

[whole totem]

The Khans are basically just Caesar's Legion without all the bullshit.

[carmine bay]

The Khans in the show seem like they still raid

[foggy haven]

Without the manpower

[whole totem]

Plus New Vegas still describes them as raiders in some instances.

[carmine bay]

They just didn’t in NV because they’re reeling from bittersprings and don’t want another reprisal. They still want to go back to raiding however.

[chilly oasis]

They’d have a field day in the Pitt

[fading plover]

WHAT

[fading plover]

NCR, one of the people who helped her
vs
Legion, apart of the people who literally put her on a cross

[foggy haven]

[narrow phoenix]

looks like both will be 'fixed'. Shame.

[fierce arch]

No I know.
|| Also if this is what people were trying to say House wanted to use the technology for, holy shit were they wrong. This is super silly.||

[fading plover]

not Biff :(

[paper radish]

So has my mind gone or is this the Khan guy from Novac…?

[carmine bay]

Pretty sure he died no?

[oblique tulip]

Legion was gonna rape her til they found out she wasn't a virgin

[narrow phoenix]

looks like it.

[paper radish]

Also makes sense that Biff is in the show again doing something more, he’s not like a super random actor given he was just super high profile in white lotus, would have been surprised if that was all we saw of him

[oblique tulip]

Bro looks like a drug user

[fading plover]

he.. is a khan..

[carmine bay]

I wonder if the mind control works by rewriting all of their desires so they legitimately enjoy what they’re doing or if their is a conscious layer that is just being inhibited.

[oblique tulip]

That's not what I meant

[fading plover]

the khans manufacture drugs!

[oblique tulip]

I meant the actor

[carmine bay]

They probably made him look shittier than he does normally

[fierce arch]

Or giving them skills, in general.

[fading plover]

Nick the Prick is the Khan leaders name?

[paper radish]

lol yes

[foggy haven]

His Khan id card photo

[autumn tangle]

Bro stole my look 😭

[foggy haven]

Mfw the vaultie shoots me with the dollar store 9mm

[brazen island]

Not the ncr guy😢

[fading plover]

biff!

[cinder sleet]

Ofc his name was Biff not Bill
Fuck me

[fading plover]

fun fact biff means beef in my language

[foggy haven]

fun fact beef means biff in my language

[whole totem]

Okay. One, leave that damn Ranger alone! Two, what the fuck is an Institute console doing down there??

[fading plover]

lmao i thought it looked institute

[whole totem]

The design is unmistakable!

[fierce arch]

You're right, that is an Institute console.

[manic marsh]

I'm curious about where the bunker's entrance is

[dull basalt]

greater assocition between the institue and enclave?

[whole totem]

I wouldn't be shocked.

[dull basalt]

considering the already deeply rooted connections between the two lol

[whole totem]

Also House went to CIT.

[dull basalt]

and the obvious association between the enclave and vault tec we're witnessing

[carmine bay]

What was the connection

Between the Enclave and Institute

[whole totem]

Probably mostly Pre-War ones.

[inner marten]

I’m gonna assume it’s fairly innocuous and not read too much into it

Fun nod with some possible connection but most likely just pre war consoles they both used

[dull basalt]

pre-war scientists with subsidaries from the gov

[carmine bay]

[whole totem]

Regardless, it's interesting that an Institute console is in that Vault-Tec facility. Just goes to show the Institute didn't design their own shit either. lol

[dull basalt]

shared tec and dr. Li

both focus on FEV as well

[dull basalt]

agreed

[whole totem]

Or they did design their own tech but it became more widespread than we've previously seen...

[inner marten]

Now if they had the same jumpsuits on that would be something

This facility is definitely pre war from everything we have seen so far

[dull basalt]

for sure

[whole totem]

But yeah... I can't tell if Hank is being genuine or facetious in that clip.

[inner marten]

Hes 100% being a manipulative ass

[fierce arch]

He's manipulating them, and Lucy, Lucy looked like she was confused, and she probably doesn't know about the chips on their necks - she's not THAT observant anyway, so of course it would make sense her Father would take advantage of that.

[whole totem]

That's entirely possible.

And unfortunately he's clearly gotten it working so there go my hopes for a poetic end to Hank...

[low cove]

Both have access to FEV which was a top secret government controlled material

[devout forge]

damn were gonna get institute in s3 ig

[inner marten]

Was the institute fev from a pre war source tho?

Or did they get it post war

[devout forge]

the least interesting faction of all time

[low cove]

Considering the Institute was founded by members of the CIT its not out of the question if they used simular technology at least what was utalized pre-war

[low cove]

Kinda doubt it since its heavily implied Fo4 ends with a Brotherhood victory so the Institute is gone

[inner marten]

I mean irl the department of defense drops dump trucks of money on universities to research weapon tech

[devout forge]

thank god 😂

[low cove]

Honeslty imagine if the Enclave and the Institute did canonically meet. It would be a dream come true if they can just clone perfect unmutated people to rebuild America

[devout forge]

tbh the enclave would wipe them out and use their tech

[inner marten]

They would just use it as an excuse to have a 3rd ai president

[fading plover]

here he is

[foggy haven]

Howdy partner

[atomic tartan]

question, would the bombs not have fallen if the ghoul killed mr house?

[fading plover]

they would still have fallen

[atomic tartan]

hm

also does watching the show spoil falllout new vegas?

cause mr house is in that game

[topaz fiber]

howd u get victor

[fading plover]

ehh not really? it takes place 15 years after the game so anything in the show is wayy after and not really a spoiler i guess

[fading plover]

he isfrom the premium PLUS pass thingy!

[topaz fiber]

huh

i bought the pass and it never said anything about victor

[fading plover]

there is 2 versions, normal and plus version

[foggy haven]

What do you mean spoil new vegas

[topaz fiber]

i got the one that gives bonus medals and house right away

[fading plover]

season 1 pass

[topaz fiber]

ya i got the right one

[fading plover]

well that is weird, you should had gotten that box with items

[topaz fiber]

u suire he didnt come as a random reward from a lunchbox

[fading plover]

yes

[topaz fiber]

i got the whole pass done tho and no victor

[atomic tartan]

like the villan and his backround is revealed no? i havent played obviously so id rather wait to watch the show until it gets remade

[fading plover]

are you on phone or pc

[topaz fiber]

that one wasnt even an option to buy

phone

[topaz fiber]

is viva new vegas season 1

[oblique tulip]

31 dollars for a mobile game

[fading plover]

yes

yeahh uh 31 dollars is insane ||i didn't buy it shhh||

[topaz fiber]

well those werent even options to buy

[topaz fiber]

this is what my game had

[fading plover]

is it the 21st for you?

[topaz fiber]

?

[fading plover]

the date, january 21st

because season 2 releases midnight to 21st of jan local time

[topaz fiber]

is that season 2 stuff then? with victor?

[fading plover]

yes

[topaz fiber]

oh my bad

[fading plover]

atleast you didn't get ripped off

[forest raptor]

does thsi new fallout shelter season have questlines like the previous season did?

[fading plover]

yes

[forest raptor]

oh ill have to investigate, i didnt see a countdown in the top right like last season

[topaz fiber]

wish they made ur seasonal vault a normal one instead of deleting it 🙁

[forest raptor]

true

[topaz fiber]

had so many good dwellers n pets

[forest raptor]

yeah its a shame we can only keep the backgrounds and not the unique npcs

[fading plover]

one of the next season will be enclave themed

[fierce arch]

Is it?

[fading plover]

i meant fallout shelter season

[civic comet]

liked it when the game didn't sell 30 dollar battlepasses

[low cove]

Pain

[forest raptor]

interesting, that releases a few weeks after season 2 of the tv show ends right

[fading plover]

unsure, this shelter season ends in 38 days?

[topaz fiber]

interesting lore

it also calls the fo4 AR the BOS rifle

[fading plover]

also this

yeah so the AR is for PA?

what?

i mean he doesn't look so evil

[unique locust]

Damn

[plucky knot]

Where was this found?

Bro so much makes sense from fallout NV house ending

[nova minnow]

well fuck

[dawn dust]

Why is it so low strength? Lol

[fading plover]

ono clue

[plucky knot]

Is this for next episode?

[dawn dust]

Yes https://youtu.be/G3ge3AVDSKY?si=TwtWPqCSw_stAxwE

[plucky knot]

Is this new? It’s not our for me yet

[fading plover]

yes, it released midnight 21st of jan for you

[plucky knot]

That’s fucked up

I rlly wanna play it I didn’t do last season because I was lazy

[nova minnow]

poor ncr ranger

he shoulda blown hanks fucking dome off from a mile away

[plucky knot]

Why the fuck is the pass 16 dollars

[frank olive]

Bethesda

[carmine bay]

Lanius armor gives you the strength of Mars

Power armor is weak sauce compared to that

[plucky knot]

Who’s going to be up to watch the show

I wanna know

[fading plover]

well for me it's at 9am and it's currently 4am, wait why am i up

[paper radish]

4AM sure sounds like sleeping time to me lmao

[paper radish]

I'll watch in real time once it comes out.
With ads though I usually can't be in chat once the ad break happens, people in chat end up so far ahead so quickly lol

[fierce arch]

Me, ofc

[plucky knot]

Fr

And then it gets spoiled

[plucky knot]

I expected so

[plucky knot]

I ahve to get up at 3am

[dawn dust]

wtf? You would think they would give the fan service armor some better treatment than this lmao

[fading plover]

and both are paid.. costs 20 usd

why tf do i want you what da hell

also 8 days what da heeel

this is a strange posse

freeside spree and the background is... filly?

hell yea

[paper radish]

These seasons are a good idea, honestly hopefully they keep doing them with more content...there's so many random groupings of missions and things they could do.

[fading plover]

imma do the missions to get any more info for the show maybe

[paper radish]

The cost it must take them to produce these compared to any other one of their products, paired with what they make from the game, you'd think they'd bump the effort up just a little and keep doing this sort of thing

[fading plover]

oh hey he said westside

[devout forge]

fallout shelter still going strong 11 years alter

[fading plover]

what a terrible awaward, i don't want him

[fierce arch]

[paper radish]

I already have 2 of him, I'll skip that mission if I have to get another 😂

[fading plover]

i wonder if i can skip those 8 days

[hallow bridge]

i dont care, we have live action fisto, thats all i needed to restore my will to live

so because the powerfist exists does that mean swan is cannocaly dead?

[devout forge]

same with victor ngl

[fading plover]

what..

[spark cloud]

Goodbye idiots I'll see you tomorrow night

[midnight kiln]

i'm seeing y'all at 4pm today AWST suckers :p

rip to Americans who decided to be awake at 3 - 4am

god speed soldiers

[chilly oasis]

The West Has Fallen. Billions Must Die.

[paper radish]

as if it's still not only midnight that I have to be awake in the US lol

[devout forge]

drops in like 3 hours right

[paper radish]

ye

[devout forge]

i should prolly watch it in the morning

lowkey unhealthy

[brazen island]

NCR power armour looks so dope

NCR, Victor, Lucy, The Ghoul vs Legion, Deathclaws, Radroaches and possibly the great khans?

[floral hemlock]

Real, I'm debating if I should go to sleep at a healthy time or suffer tomorrow

[brazen island]

It’s 5pm rn. 2 hours until it releases 😈

[floral hemlock]

Lucky, it drops at midnight for me

[brazen island]

Perks of living in Aussie land

[floral hemlock]

Balanced out by all the Fallout creatures already living there, I gather

Y'all got some evil animals over there. I should not be able to hear a spider move.

[brazen island]

I saw a spider in my room that was the size of my hand

[floral hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/colony-gundam-crash-boom-gif-13987960

I would nuke my house if I saw something like that

[brazen island]

😭😭😭

[brazen island]

Lmao I didn’t even realise that’s Sydney

[floral hemlock]

Australia did not have a good time in Gundam lmao

a necessary sacrifice to defeat the massive bugs, though

[brazen island]

That’s true

[devout forge]

wtf happened to sydney

[floral hemlock]

They were trying to hit something and missed. Sydney was collateral.

[devout forge]

at least housing might be cheaper

[brazen island]

Nah, they’ll probably sky rocket

[topaz fiber]

What Gundam is that from 👀

[patent hatch]

6 minutes, lfg

[frank olive]

Bud it's 4

[brazen island]

5 minutes actually

[frank olive]

Time I mean

[brazen island]

Releases every Wednesday at 7pm for me

Oh

[frank olive]

East Coast?

[brazen island]

Sydney Australia

[frank olive]

Yeah it's 4pm for us here in Perth

[brazen island]

I forgot Perth existed

[carmine bay]

Might watch it as it drops but fuck I’m tired

Idek why I’m up this late

[brazen island]

We both know why bud.

[frank olive]

Could be a good setting for a fallout game, one of the most isolated cities in the world

[carmine bay]

Gonna blame those damn phones

[patent hatch]

2am here in Texas but I'm a night owl so it works

[brazen island]

Mutants would go crazy

[carmine bay]

Nah bro I didn’t stay up for the show

Just a happy accident

[midnight kiln]

YALL IN OERTH TOO???? DOG

[frank olive]

Yobbos as raiders, junkies as ghouls would go hard

[brazen island]

Kangaroos as death claws

[patent hatch]

Alrighty chat, see yall on the other side

[brazen island]

I think it’s out

[narrow vapor]

#1447297591363502304

[midnight kiln]

there's red roos up north that can get up to 7ft tall, so,

[slow wadi]

That's just my normal life tbh (7'0, Atom Cat Leader, Slick, Cool)

[oblique tulip]

Banned

[fading plover]

[vapid lichen]

Slop enjoyers💔

[fierce arch]

Y'all be calling people slop enjoyers and labels, but y'all the same people that know bare minimum of the source material and can never articulate an actual argument as to why the show is bad other than your dislike for Bethesda.

[fading plover]

okay this is nice

[vapid lichen]

Almost all factions have been desecrated
To many storylines are being juggled at the same time
Lucy has plot armour
A lot of Key jangling

[fading plover]

too many storylines i agree with, but almost all factions are been desecrated?

[fierce arch]

Right, so you didn't play FNV where the plot for most of the factions is pinpointing the fact that they barely hanging on - and a few simple mistakes could actually send each one to and early grave yeah? We just ignoring all that lore? Cool.

A lot of storylines are being juggled, sure, but again. Point to me where it's bad.
Lucy is the protagonists, I agree she has plot armor, but in what was has that actively hindred the show. Give me examples.
A lot of key jangling? Explain what that means.

[oblique tulip]

Flase becides the plot lines

[cinder sleet]

I feel like people that don't like the show have articulated better reasons than those

I think

[fierce arch]

They have, my sisters dislike the show and we talk about it often, and none of their complaints have been about the lore. lol

[fading plover]

what show or movie doesn't have plot armor

[oblique tulip]

Fnv opens with the protag having plot armor

[fading plover]

true...

[fierce arch]

The Courier shouldn't have survived Big MT if we're being realistic.

[oblique tulip]

The courier should have zero personality either in the big mt

[cinder sleet]

If we talk about Fallout protags having plot armor
All of them have it
But especially the Chosen One
You know why

[oblique tulip]

Even the devs said the chossen one had plot armor

[fierce arch]

Yeah, this is what i mean when media literarcy is dead. "Why does Lucy have plot armor" "Cause literally all fallout protagonists do, wtf are we on about."

[midnight kiln]

unless it's game of thrones, or a Red Dead Redemption game, majority of protagonists have plot armour because they're the protagonist.

some are better at hiding said plot armour than others

(looking at you Ricky Dicky Doo-Daa Grimes EP1 S1 with that scene of being surrounded by walkers on a horse and NONE OF THEM BIT HIM EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE PRESSED AGAINST HIS LEGS)

[fierce arch]

Literally, like are we really gonna act like two bullets to the brain doesn't kill a person? The only reason the Courier lived was for the sake of the plot. lol
Not only that, he should've technically been brain dead and drooling in Big MT.

[midnight kiln]

people do survive gun shots to the head, it's just very unlikely.

[oblique tulip]

Plus vault dwellers in general have plot armor and should die to new diseases

[fierce arch]

Literally.

[fading plover]

i managed to skip all the tme for the quests

[modest hazel]

Do we think Ron Perlman's character is a gen 2 mutant? They were specifically made through the Enclave's actions, after all.

[fierce arch]

#1447297591363502304

[stone mason]

What’s this creature? It doesn’t look like a deatchclaw to me?

[nova minnow]

axactly lmao

[nova minnow]

At this point he's probably just a blank sociopath with no emotion

[vapid lichen]

Probably just a deathclaw variant

[inner marten]

It’s a new design on young deathclaws

It’s a puppy

They are probably quadrapedial in early development

[stone mason]

Puppy for that size 😭

I mean its the wasteland what do you expect

[vapid lichen]

I mean bear cubs are like the size of adult cats?
So it makes sense

[inner marten]

Deathclaws are like 600+ lbs lol

The scale is hard to tell in this too

[stone mason]

And deathclaws are bigger then them so I guess puppies are smaller.

But I wouldn't expect them to look like this. For me, it looks nothing like a deathclaw.

[carmine bay]

The best deathclaw design

[stone mason]

Doesn't look alike lmao

[shy apex]

That’s not a deathclaw , that’s a clawdeath

[carmine bay]

Fallout tactics or BoS deathclaw
Call it

[tardy granite]

Why was there a prydwen in episode 3 in anchorage

[fierce arch]

Zeppelins are a pre-war design, they always were. The Brotherhood did not create Zeppelins, they created the Prydwen model/class of the Zeppelins.

[tardy granite]

But it looked just like one?

[fierce arch]

On the outside, possible, internally, most likely not. The Prydwen was designed specifically to be a Vertibird and Troop Carrier AND carriy liberty prime - the other airships are not. The Prydwen had to be shifted largely to accomdate carrying a bunch of things they don't have to worry about pre-war, or like how other chapters have airships - theirs is smaller due to not having to compensate for liberty prime.

[tardy granite]

It carries liberty prime?

[fierce arch]

Yes, not to be rude - but they had to get Liberty prime from DC to Boston somehow. And Kells says this, too.

They disassembled liberty prime, and reassembled him when they got to Boston.

[autumn tangle]

I always figured they just built another one :I

I figured they had a few of ‘em by now

[oblique tulip]

They cant build more primes

[fierce arch]

No, they upgraded the current one - they can't build him, they don't have the schematics, prime was chilling in the pentagon when they found it.

They just studied the fuck out of him with Doctor Li to figure out how to get him up and running

[leaden plover]

Love how the legionary was hellbent on killing the NCR ranger, he even threw Lucy aside to finish the job

[solemn geyser]

kinda makes me wonder if Hank got to the others or they were separated

My prediction for ep7 is its probably a mix of a whole lot of things going on. Norm probably releases the radroaches to escape with his girlfriend. Leaving all the other vault 31 dwellers maybe to their deaths. Or they all escape, unsure where their allignment is between their lives and vault tec.

The Ghoul, Max, and Thaddeus gear up to the strip to save lucy and enter the 38 Casino after fighting the deathclaws. The Ghoul learns House is alive.

Lucy breaks out and escapes but finds her Father had disappeared again.

Pre-War Cooper hands the Cold Fusion to Wilzig due to the danger by the Enclave. It would explain how Wilzig got his hands on Cold Fusion but the Enclave wasnt aware? Still iffy on the theory since Cooper doesnt remember Wilzig from season 1 but wilzig somehow got his hands on it

Steph gets the box Hank brought with him and we find out its one of House's control chips and she is going to attempt to use them on chet and Andy so they don't find out. As well as attempt to control everyone in the vault

episode 7 is called "The Handoff" which explains Cooper handing off Cold Fusion to somebody.

[inner marten]

Any theory on where the NCR power armor comes from?

[solemn geyser]

Its also possible Cooper hands it to Moldavor

[inner marten]

I think cooper may think he’s giving it to moldaver but it’s actually an enclave agent

[solemn geyser]

I think it was either abandoned or they bump into Captain Rodriegez but i doubt they brought a suit with them

My guess is the Mojave general store had weapons they were in

[inner marten]

Accidental spoilers ||Or they (enclave) hold his daughter hostage for the return of cold fusion. Cooper has to make the same decision his wife made and realizes he’s a hypocrite||

[solemn geyser]

i also genuinely believe episode 8 the Strip may be a battle with the Legion only because we saw a snippet of it in a trailer but 0 clue what the context is

They had a finale last season of a huge battle, ep7 is already gonna be the deathclaw fight

[inner marten]

||He takes the fall saying it’s his plan and his wife tried to stop him and his divorce was just to keep up appearances so she could keep her spot in the vault||

[solemn geyser]

thats a possibility

People say that the dwellers in vault 33 and 32 will open their vault. No clue or no real evidence imo this will happen

[inner marten]

Wrong chat

[solemn geyser]

I havent seen any trailer clips either to prove that theory. I just think those 2 vaults are doomed

Vault 33 is basically recreating the Vault 13 lore. The waterchip broke and the vault dwellers are infighting between Overseer and half of everyone else

[solemn geyser]

If they are really committed. I bet Betty might just kick them out or kill them all. Similar to her behavior with the raiders

[foggy haven]

I really thought she was going to say that they needed to send someone out to find a new waterchip

[unborn sundial]

I just need my boy Norm to be okay

[nova minnow]

facts bro going through it

[plucky knot]

He’ll pull through

He’s really smart I wouldn’t doubt he becomes the new overseer soon

[radiant birch]

How did u get that bro??

My hank is coming in 6 days

[fading plover]

modified the files

[radiant birch]

oh

nothin you could do on a phone

[fading plover]

you can, if you have a pc

[radiant birch]

@fading plover are there legion quests

[fading plover]

no

[native berry]

i'm unironically so dissapointed it's gearing up to be another "da enclave" story, it's the most basic dissapointing premise you can do with this worn-out faction and, Season 1 foreshadowed it with the base, but good god is that dissapointing as fuck

[inner marten]

lol

[zenith terrace]

Okay I hear you but notice how they reused the enclave uniforms from season 1 for pre war military police

[nova minnow]

And the fact that the military police were on the strip to begin with is interesting

They don’t typically deal with civilian affairs, definitely an enclave thing going on pre war

Probably due to the significance of the cold fusion

[nova minnow]

I mean they are the big bads of the series

Its like the empire in star wars

And the enclave in general isnt just a single entity, they’re relatively unique based on circumstance

[carmine bay]

The Empire if they were even lamer

Bunch of CHUDS

[nova minnow]

I fw deep state shadow government stories idk

Thats why black ops was so cool to me, the CIA doing fucked shit always brings a good show

[carmine bay]

It works for the pre war storyline yeah

But the Enclave don’t really maintain that vibe for much of their post-war depictions.