EPISODE 5

[obsidian crown]

My beloved strip 🫩

[frank olive]

I hope maximus uses cold fusion to fix new vegas

[autumn tangle]

I always talk it out with him and join forces for the final battle lol

[proven root]

I’m wondering how house is holding up considering he probably doesn’t have many securitrons

[obsidian crown]

I hope Maximus will start a new faction/BoS chapter

[autumn tangle]

It’s a lot more fun

[obsidian crown]

Either coma or yes man is canon

[thin sinew]

I wonder how the relationship with coop and house is atp

[frank olive]

I bet he will join the ncr cause ghoul rights

[autumn tangle]

I see him joining the NCR before I see him having anything to do with the BoS ever again

[obsidian crown]

Ig

[autumn tangle]

Probably gets his new PA because nobody else around can wear it lol

[frank olive]

Yes man might be wearing a mr house skin suit then if that happens

[fading plover]

let's go

[autumn tangle]

You know what they say… enemy of my enemy. If he’s even alive anymore… he might use him to get to Hank

[lunar shadow]

Fisto actually runs Vegas

[autumn tangle]

Duh.

[frank olive]

Fisto becomes sentient and hacks Mr house ending confirmed?!

[fading plover]

that's why the bartender said machines running things

[proven root]

Lowkey should wear him like a cape

[autumn tangle]

Yes Man somehow got cut off from the mainframe and can’t leave the Lucky 38

He’s just stuck on the big screen and has been for years

[frank olive]

Because fisto hacked all the secuitrons and they're all fistotrons now

[lunar shadow]

ihnmaims ending

[thin sinew]

Y’all think his body double is in cryo and he made that brain scanner to transfer himself to the double when the time is right.

[autumn tangle]

Fisto single-handedly defeated all 50,000 mk2 securitrons

[thin sinew]

As soon as fisto remembers he’s the real ruler of new Vegas it’s over

[lunar shadow]

He fisted them all

[autumn tangle]

I think if his physical body is dead he may have made an AI copy of himself and hidden it in Victor or something

[frank olive]

Yes this was actually hinted at earlier as maximus put his fist through the securitron screen

[autumn tangle]

But I mean… if you kill him he has a pre recorded eulogy so I really doubt he has a second backup plan

Either House is still alive in the capacity we saw him in-game or he’s just straight up dead and gone I think. Looking more and more like the former (damnit)

Even though I caved his damn head in with a golf club

[frank olive]

A man chooses, a slave obeys. and that man is todd

[proven root]

They’ll defeat the deathclaws by making them assume the position

[shadow condor]

the bargain 100%

[autumn tangle]

voice in the back of my head:
Why didn’t they check Xander’s body, he could be a synnnnth

[frank olive]

Tbf why does the sole survivor crack open everyone he kills like a coconut

[late lion]

I didn't like the episode and I'll speak more on that tomorrow, but I been seeing people say we got an answer on the body double being House in New Vegas. Yes, there is one line where House implies he might not always be THE House but that doesn't mean that ends up true. The tech he put on his head isn't damning either, from what I could tell.

The only thing where I can see yeah, it could be that is the picture of House in front of Liberty Prime being the likeness of the body double. But it's also just as easily possible the face on the screen we meet in New Vegas is modeled after the double, but the mind, the body in the chamber is the original.

[frank olive]

How are they supposed to know that there's something there

[prisma geyser]

Because they need less setup lol

[devout forge]

easier to eat whats inside

[glacial adder]

maximus is next episode

whos not excited?

[devout forge]

maximus is the goat tho

[outer lake]

Max is great

Every main character has been great so far, especially Norm and Cooper

[glacial adder]

he is im just more interested in lucy plot

[devout forge]

tbh itll be cool if the ghoul, lucy and max team up

cowboy + soldier + addict is an elite combo

[glacial adder]

what do the deatclaws eat

[fierce arch]

That is what will happen next season.

[outer lake]

Dw we'll definitely get both plots next ep

[fierce arch]

We still haven't gotten Maximus and Ghoul interactions.

[devout forge]

buddy if you ever see a deathclaw, youre the dinner

[glacial adder]

ik but like they are trapped in the strip

[outer lake]

They have a tendency to cannibalize if im not mistaken

[autumn tangle]

Other deathclaws

[fierce arch]

I'm pretty sure much to how the Ghoul bonded to Lucy, I'm sure the Ghoul will bond with Max and be a better Father figure to him than Quintus ever was.

[outer lake]

I saw a 3rd deathclaw munching on a scaly piece of meat in the latest ep

[glacial adder]

lucy is coopers canary

[devout forge]

pretty sure they can eat anything even trash i have no proof though

[frank olive]

Why are there deathclaw egg recipes then

[frank olive]

Norm my goat

[fierce arch]

Deathclaws cannot eat ghouls.

[devout forge]

the courier is built different 🔥

[outer lake]

Quintus was the racist grandpa that started blasting the moment a minority gets brought up

[fierce arch]

HERETIC!!!

[devout forge]

why not? its all meat aint it

[fierce arch]

It upsets their stomach.

[frank olive]

When you first saw halo were you blinded by its majesty?

[outer lake]

Ghoul meat is riddled with radiation

[fierce arch]

"Paralyzed? Starstruck?"
I'm ashamed that I have so much of Halo's dialogue memorized. lol

[outer lake]

And all sorts of other pustules and abscesses

[autumn tangle]

That’s why you gotta eat the butt

[outer lake]

Imagine biting into a piece of ghoul meat and a pus filled boil bursts in your mouth, no wonder deathclaws won't eat em

[frank olive]

"And yet the courier managed to desecrate cerulean robotics with their filthy footsteps"

[devout forge]

could deathclaws cannibalize? arent there deathclaw bones near their nests

[fierce arch]

We saw them being cannibals.

It was eating another Deathclaw in the show.

[outer lake]

Do they have bad eyesight in lore? The one that went after Lucy and Cooper seemed to rely more on smell

[fierce arch]

Their sense of smell is stronger than their eye-sight.

[fierce jay]

Yes in nv they do have blind deathclaws

[fierce arch]

Yes but those Deathclaws were not blind, they all shared the same design.

[outer lake]

Sounds about right then

[fierce arch]

It's just that Deathclaws have hyper-sensitive noses.

[fierce jay]

However none are in Quarry junction where the deathclaws in the strip come from

[devout forge]

if you cover yourself in deathclaw shit you can probs disguise yourself to a blind deathclaw

survival 100

[outer lake]

Im actually surprised Barb and Janey are seemingly still alive

I had hopes for Janey but definitely not Barb

[fierce arch]

I'm sure Barb is kept alive as an insurance or because she fully bought into whatever agenda she was following.

[fierce arch]

Wearing Deathclaw hide and stuff probably does help mask your scent.

[devout forge]

if coop had a daughter since 2065 then shes at least 11-12 in the first episode right? she looked way younger

[fierce arch]

Yeah, dates might be slightly off. We'll have to go back at the end of the season to nail it all down to correct dates and timelines.

Like the fucking Fall of Shady Sands vs the Bombing of Shady Sands is still a debate.

[devout forge]

we might not get full answers but it makes sense since record keeping is shit during an apocalypse

[fierce arch]

yeah, and people's memories can be unreliable.

[devout forge]

i still have faith the NCR can make a comeback though 🔥

[fierce arch]

So do I.

[solemn geyser]

The NCR states are like far apart so they would still be normally populated places

Dayglow is in San Diego and the Hub is probably still thriving

[nova minnow]

The ghoul and lucy would’ve passed through hub to reach new vegas

[fierce arch]

Not if Hank didn't. They were following Hank's tracks, specifically, not going into the most specific route to get through. People keep forgetting this.

If Hank made his own way over, and in the show they explicitly say that they were following his tracks, we actively do not know if Hank went that way or not.

[solemn geyser]

especially since they didnt know Hank went to vegas initially until farther down his tracks

[nova minnow]

How would hank have bypassed mountains

Unless he jetpacked for hours on end lol, which ig is possible

[solemn geyser]

tbf we could ask how he bypassed deathclaws in the strip

[nova minnow]

True

[frank olive]

Bro must be spamming canned coffee lmao

[nova minnow]

Thats why he was so happy for his first real cup of joe lol

[fierce arch]

We don't know, there's a lot of things Hank has done that we just don't know, it's why we probably shouldn't assume they went the normal way when they've been steadfast in staying on his tracks. Hank could've found another passage, or there was a specific way to climb that he managed to figure out. We just have no clue, yet. It's probably gonna get answered at some point.

[frank olive]

Someone should've told him to go thru quarry Junction

[solemn geyser]

he prob went through quarry junction

The deathclaws migrated to the strip implying they arn’t there

[fierce arch]

Yeah, this pretty much screams to me that Hank went a different or went down an unorthadox route to get to Vegas, probably more obscure to try and throw them off his tracks.

[frank olive]

Quarry Junction?

[fierce arch]

I don't know, I don't necessarily believe the bartender yet.

[nova minnow]

The location and travel in the show is a mess initself so its probably not too big of a deal anyhow

[fierce arch]

I'm waiting for more information to confirm or deny those Deathclaws are from there.

[solemn geyser]

yk everyones saying the deathclaws migrated and the courier didnt do shit. But I’d argue they migrated because of the courier

[nova minnow]

Lucy wouldve been long dead on that cross if the ghoul was traveling in a realistic time frame

[nova minnow]

True

[solemn geyser]

i dont think the Deathclaws would actually choose to go there knowing they would be living somewhere heavily populated

[ancient musk]

woah.. ep5 has the highest imdb score of s2 so far. kinda surprising cause usually in these shows its the game of thrones audience effect, where episodes with explosions and flashing lights gets the highest score. somehow an episode thats 90% just faces talking got the highest score that's CRAAZY

[solemn geyser]

They’d have been forced there

[nova minnow]

The strip is also ripe for food (humans)

[fierce arch]

Someone would still need to move the eggs, even though. Again it's kind of moot, people keep saying "They came from" they were moved. Deathclaws avoid human settlements. They usually are super territorial and it's beyond their pattern behavior to settle their nest right in the middle of a human city. I'm super convinced someone just moved them.

[fierce arch]

They're not eating humans though, they're eating their own.

[nova minnow]

They eat humans too lol

[fierce arch]

We saw that Deathclaw being a cannibal.

[nova minnow]

They eat just about anything tbh

[fierce arch]

I know, but if that was true, they'd be scaling the walls to get to Freeside, they're not.

[solemn geyser]

Theres not really a lot of theories who’d be stupid enough to plant eggs. Well unless ur the player themselves lol

[nova minnow]

They’re probably beginning to starve in the strip considering the cannablism

Since the freesiders have locked them in with the metal gate

[fierce arch]

Yes but Deathclaws are intelligent, they know food is on the otherside of the wall. They can break down the gate, it's not sturdy, especially if multiple of them go.

[nova minnow]

Apparently they cant, or freeside wouldve been toast

[solemn geyser]

I mean we could argue its just the show’s logic

[fierce arch]

Which again lends to my point, that something else is happening. It's not normal behavior.

[solemn geyser]

They wanted them there for the plot

[fierce arch]

It's not that surface level, I'll bet money on it.

[solemn geyser]

a lot has been changed for convenience of the show afterall

[nova minnow]

I bet hank keeps the deathclaws as security

[solemn geyser]

If the deathclaws are controlled that make some sense

[nova minnow]

Assuming the vault bunker is under the strip

[solemn geyser]

But honestly I cant imagine who would have done that

[ancient musk]

100% the deathclaws are mind controlled, they are SUPER territorial and would just hunt down any sing of life they can sense which includes an entire community behind a tiny metal wall

[nova minnow]

Indeed

[fierce arch]

I could see them being controlled, or lured to make the strip their Nest which either case explains why they don't go beyond their territory and even resort to cannibalism instead of going for the obvious meals in front of their faces.

[solemn geyser]

Hank still lived in vault 33 for another 20 years of his life. House’s securitrons would not be powerful enough to somehow restrain a deathclaw

i dont think its possible the deathclaws are controlled due to the fact you’d have to break their scales to even get a chip in them

[fierce arch]

No but again, which lends to the idea that someone else besides Hank probably did it, Hank is just using it to his advantage most likely.

[nova minnow]

If they’re controlled by someone like hank or someone else it begs the question why he doesn’t let them massacre the freesiders anyway

[shadow condor]

Lucy i brought you here to bargain with 💔

[solemn geyser]

well thing is he doesnt need to destroy freeside its not a faction

[fierce arch]

It might rob him of Wastelanders to use - we see him having more people in the Vault tec facility in the trailers.

[solemn geyser]

His idea is to waste the big players.

[nova minnow]

Hmm true

[shadow condor]

last time he did that he got in a lot of trouble lol

[nova minnow]

He views every wastelander as either a tool or fodder to experiment on (sounds familiar huh)

[solemn geyser]

He is going to take down the brotherhood, NCR, Legion, House, and the Khans to appeal to his superiors

[fierce arch]

Yeah, exactly. I imagine he keeps them there for convience for test subjects.

If he runs out, he'll just go grab another.

[shadow condor]

i don't reckon Hank's making it out of season 2

[fierce arch]

Nah, no shot. If Lucy doesn't kill him the Ghoul, or Max might.

[nova minnow]

Probably not, but it’ll lead into the enclaves reveal along with barb and moldaver

[outer lake]

How very American of him

[shadow condor]

Lucy Ghoul and Max are safe safe, and i think Norm is safe

[nova minnow]

Moldavers dead, hanks probably next, probably barb aswell

[fierce arch]

I just mean that all 3 of our main protagonists have a reason to kill him.

[shadow condor]

ohhh i thought u meant Lucy mifght kill ghoul

[solemn geyser]

i’d find it hilarious if they pull a fast one and we find out Coopers family isnt in the pods

[fierce arch]

No, i think one of our 3 protagonists will kill Hank, or they can pull a wild card and have Thaddeus do it. lol

[nova minnow]

If barb is connected to the enclave i wouldnt be surprised if shes with them

[shadow condor]

random prediction i just made up

Hank kills Coop wife
Ghoul kills Hank
Daughter unfreezes

pretty basic prediction tho

[fierce arch]

I made that comment when i saw it. I'd bet any money they're not in those pods.

[nova minnow]

True, they’re prob empty

[fierce arch]

Hank is just assuming they are.

[solemn geyser]

Barb isnt evil imo and the reason i believe that is a lack of motivation. Her whole motive is preserving her family by being a tool for Vault Tec and probably the Enclave

[nova minnow]

I anticipate some sadness in norms arc, i feel like that new girl he’s met isn’t long for the world

[ocean topaz]

poor Cooper when he realizes his wife and kid are dead storytelling skeletons on the streets of Bakersfield somewhere

[solemn geyser]

if she was evil, we dont know why she would be

[shadow condor]

im convinced this man is going to be a supermutant just from his head shape and build

[fierce arch]

The thing with Barb is that im convinced the Enclave see her as a useful idiot. So they keep her in line via threats of her family, and Hank is planted there to ensure that Barb follows through with whatever directions the Enclave instructs her with.

[nova minnow]

Very enclave things to do lol

[fierce arch]

I don't think Barb is evil, but they're abusing her nature to care for her family to keep her in line and make sure she does what she's told, which yeah like @nova minnow said - very Enclave like. lol

[nova minnow]

House seemed hella stressed when talking about another player in the game

[shadow condor]

shes defo evil

[solemn geyser]

its in character, he got angry immaturely when you dont listen

[shadow condor]

he hates not knowing things

[nova minnow]

True

[long hemlock]

I think the plan is to infect Vault 32/33. The 31 Dwellers aren't the "Super Managers"

[nova minnow]

Its gonna be a mean scene if we get some enclave troopers surgically removing some threats in the show with plasma and advanced power armor

[shadow condor]

holy shit supermanagers supermutants

[fierce arch]

If I was in his shoes, i'd be pissed too - this unknown entity keeps interfering with my equations and algorithms and I can't tell who the fuck they are cause they're so secretive and elusive. House was ALREADY paranoid, this just amps it up.

[nova minnow]

I bet they’ll show them off as silent and professional compared to the brotherhoods loud and brute

[nova minnow]

Indeed

[solemn geyser]

Just give me a recreation of the fallout 2 Enclave scene and im sold next season

[fierce arch]

Patriotic, silent, professional, extremely foreboding. I imagine they'll have stark and heavy contrasts to the Brotherhood.

[nova minnow]

The enclave has some serious on screen potential thats for sure

[solemn geyser]

especially when fallout 3 seems to be Nolan’s most played game he probably has a better understanding of the Enclave imo

Enough at least not to make them goof balls

[nova minnow]

The enclave are incompetent (largely in leadership) but definitely not goofballs

[long hemlock]

I'm interested in seeing X01 in live action

[nova minnow]

Enclave doesn’t wear X-01, but they might show up in advanced power armor.

Some iteration of the mk1 or mk2

[ancient musk]

i doubt they will be generic evil authoritarian faction. more likely they will be quirky in some way. ultra militaristic maybe

[long hemlock]

Advanced power armor is for all intents and purposes X-01, I know they're technically different

[nova minnow]

If they just slap them in some painted black t-60 that’ll be very disappointing though, hopefully they dont do that

[timber wing]

And how do you explain the actors being different races

[nova minnow]

And if there is anything this show needs less of, it’s quirkiness. But unfortunately you might be right lol

[solemn geyser]

The way Ganon’s armor looks in fo76. Its basically X-01 with a fan and i like that

[fierce arch]

Imagine the finale scene shows a squad of Enclave soldiers in Remnants armor just watching from the distance, reporting back to command. Kinda reminiscent of the shot in FNV of the one Lone ranger watching Victor dig up the Courier.

[nova minnow]

That’d be excellent

[timber wing]

I don't see how it's anything but insulting to have Coops daughter be an African American and then race swapped to Asian American

[nova minnow]

I love that artwork of granite and his crew in cloaks

[fierce arch]

We don't know if it's her though? people are just speculating, it may or may not be.

[nova minnow]

Glorious

[fierce arch]

Saaaaame, it looks so good.

[timber wing]

It's not even a may

[solemn geyser]

Cant wait for the NCR Power Armor for fo76, im def buying it

[nova minnow]

Wait are they adding tesla apa to 76?

[fierce arch]

What? There's literally zero confirmation what are you on about.

[timber wing]

Id bet my house on her not being a relation

[solemn geyser]

its a skin in the new battlepass

[fierce arch]

It's been in 76. haha

[nova minnow]

Oh lol

[fierce arch]

Oh, yeah, i agree with you - it's unrelated. I don't think it's happening at all.

[timber wing]

What it's not a may that Claudia isn't Coops Daughter because she's a different race

[nova minnow]

Thats my favorite iteration largely because of the fan on the back lol something i missed on the x-01

[solemn geyser]

saw this on an ad so

[fierce arch]

Oh I was saying it wasn't simply on that it doesn't make sense in any way shape or form.

[nova minnow]

Sick

The forearm blades are badass

[ancient musk]

enclave in fo2 was just a parody of full metal jacket and some republican congressman, it will 100% be quirky lol

[solemn geyser]

i hope they add it to Fallout 4. I saw a mod already doing that but its missing the T-60 pieces

I like that this is a Power Armor modified from a T-60 while Heavy Troopers use salvaged T-45

[ancient musk]

trump = president of enclave confirmed

[solemn geyser]

they especially showed in the show T-45 is way more compact

[nova minnow]

Bomb New Reno

[nova minnow]

Super aesthetically pleasing imo

[solemn geyser]

which starts to make sense how its possible someone could wear T-45 without the frame

[nova minnow]

I like the show t-45 way more than the 4/76 iteration

It seems like a nice stopgap between 3/nv and 4/76 with its lighter build

[outer lake]

T45 in game had some serious thunder thighs

[nova minnow]

I always somewhat wished that the t-45 always stayed as a sortof light wearable without frame armor that is thin and sleek like the earlier games, while the other newer armors were put on the frame like usual

[sweet gyro]

What was house's funny hat

[solemn geyser]

It does make you question how Cooper could enter the suit because I think they cant just jump out like T-60

[nova minnow]

Probably put on by engineers

[fierce arch]

The one he wears in-game.

[solemn geyser]

It does seem like its more put on

[sweet gyro]

Oh when he's in the chamber?

[timber wing]

It's like a neural interface

I would bet that the house we see in the show is a digitised version

I wonder if Coop manages to turn him on, and that's what we see in the Lucky 38

[solemn geyser]

Its probably what the Cold Fusion would have done

[ancient musk]

house will 100% mind control liberty prime

[topaz fjord]

So here is a theory using the buds buds short info the management have already been exposed to fev except for those pre selected for overseers-the cryo has been holding off the effects

[solemn geyser]

Like I dont think its far off House would place his consciousness into the computer but without the Cold Fusion hes unable

so maybe the Courier did kill House but more so his body

[sweet gyro]

Oh right I forgot about that

[timber wing]

That's an interesting theory

[topaz fjord]

I theorise ronnie will mutate soon

[timber wing]

Do we have any info on how long it takes

From FO1 the cutscenes made it seem like dipping was quite quick

[fierce arch]

Maybe, im still convinced they were purposefully put there to try and make perfect FEV mutants, but i wanna know more. i'm so mad that Norm got unplugged before we saw the rest of what he was reading lol

[topaz fjord]

We don’t know the strain

[topaz fjord]

The short implies perfecting evolution and it seems odd and fev experiment would not have it on hand

[timber wing]

Bud mentioned he worked at WestTek

[topaz fjord]

Dipping is but vault 87 implies injectings slower and water exposure from 76 is even slower

[solemn geyser]

Climbing the corporate ladder

[timber wing]

It wouldn't be so far fetched to think he might try something with FEV

[ancient musk]

west tek in appalachia at least were working with the no gucchi mutant strain that makes fo3 type ragemuties

[fierce arch]

It was probably a long term plan, but it looks like something went wrong in the plan itself. Aside from Norm's meddling.

[sweet gyro]

In an earlier episode the radio mentioned about West Tek releasing like skincare

Maybe they used fev skincare on buds buds for this

[fierce arch]

Also were assisting with Deathclaw variants, which is also why Appalachia has new Deathclaw types - which im sure will wander out and explore beyond Appalachia at some point.

[ancient musk]

scorchbeasts ate them all most likely, unless the deathclaws managed to develop some survival instinct against them

there are only 2 or 3 natural deathclaw spawns in the base map of fo76

also what would make sense is them migrating away. but then the scorchbeasts would also migrate and look for new food

[fierce arch]

Given that the Deathclaws spawn in the new map zones as well, and canonically they take place after the Scorchbeast threat has ended - the new strains are still active. We even see them prominently in Ohio, too.

[timber wing]

Isn't F076 also 200 years before NY/FO4

[brave prairie]

if we arent talking about ep 5 then we can move conversations to #fallout_general or if its s2 in general then #1447295973129978058

[solemn geyser]

I wish we got to see the Van Graffs in the show

Maybe we will though as the ghoul somehow gets his hands on a Gauss Rifle

[carmine bay]

Van Graffs are probably gone

Maybe someone replaced them though

[solemn geyser]

Unsure whats the canonicity of Fallout creations as the new bethesda published one is about them

[fierce arch]

They're pesudo-canon, i think ones that Bethesda publishes or endorses can be considered canon to an extent, but Bethesda's policy on it is flimsy. So we could probably see them in the next episode.

[solemn geyser]

it does seem the bethesda published creations kinda hint the events in the show. lot of Deathclaw themes

[carmine bay]

If they are present I would hope they would fill us in on what’s going on back home, at least in Reno. But the show is unlikely to do this.

[solemn geyser]

The newest published one fits since we get to see freeside this episode

The Van Graffs in this creation are apparently still operating

[solemn geyser]

missed oppurtunity for the Mick and Ralph kid

he’d be an adult by now and that be funny

[high kettle]

why arent the twins at the wrangler now?

[solemn geyser]

It seems the wrangler got more prestige with the new look they could have been able to hire for the bar

or Fisto the Robot brought in new customers

[high kettle]

they're yapping about the enclave right

house and the ghoul

[carmine bay]

Yes

They couldn’t be referring to anyone else

[high kettle]

it's kinda odd that house doesn't know shit about the enclave

[solemn geyser]

The Enclave were a shadow government of the united states

Them being an unknown factor kinda plays into their part

House’s only relationship with the government is through military contracts. Him seeing the Deathclaws through cooper’s power armor is probably one of many witnesses of Enclave intervention

[carmine bay]

It is a bit jarring yeah, with how they’re portrayed in the games in mind. The pre-war Enclave have always been much more clandestine though.

[solemn geyser]

Especially when they wouldnt be highly militant during this time

X-01 was currently in its prototype phase

An enclave soldier could be seen as just a US soldier. It was probably only to a board of generals to have known and the President

[carmine bay]

If the Enclave appear in S3 or 4 as major villains I do hope that they tone down some of their FO2/3 goofiness. They really need to be scary. Ideally they’d have different motivations too, but I expect we’ll see another retread of the genetic purity stuff.

[carmine bay]

Yeah it was only hand selected government officials who were in the know. Am curious when the Enclave first formed. Could be a secret society that goes way back in the setting.

[outer lake]

I don't think the Enclave in 3 were particularly goofy

They were cold blooded genocidal maniacs

I haven't completed 2 so can't say about them there

[carmine bay]

Not as overtly I guess, we didn’t have stuff like the radio comm talking head or Dornan, but I don’t take them particularly seriously either. They’re faceless goons who get their shit kicked in by the player at every turn. I don’t see them as intimidating at all in 3. At least 2 had Franky boy.

[outer lake]

They haven't been main villains for like i think 16 years? So maybe the show'll give them that edge they need

[carmine bay]

They made a fairly significant appearance in 76 tho when you see them they’re not alive.

But yeah, the show’s Enclave is distant enough from their depiction in 3 that we could maybe get something decent

And istg I hope their APA is based on the FO2/X-01 design.

[pulsar lake]

the enclave has always been goofy villains

[pulsar lake]

because they keep wiping themselves out, hell - one cell wiped themselves out because they got annoyed at waiting times.

[brave prairie]

Mood

[carmine bay]

Yeah I don’t think they should be in the show, especially if they’re going to be the big bads behind everything. If they’re going to be thundering dumbasses it’s going to make the tone of this season so far feel even more jarring in retrospect.

[pulsar lake]

i mean, Hank is a villain thats exploding heads in a goofy way, he is still terrifying

[carmine bay]

Hank so far has been portrayed as fairly competent despite some of the comedy in S2. The Enclave are a whole level above him, both literally and within the narrative. Not all of the villains should be identical in tone anyways, since almost all of them have been portrayed as goofballs in one way or another in this show leading up to this point.

The scenes so far in S2 give us the taste of a really menacing take on the Enclave and I’d enjoy that if it’s the direction going forward

[devout forge]

the way they did the prewar scenes this ep makes me think theyll handle the enclave well

right mix of silly and serious

[carmine bay]

Yeah the comedy in this show will be inescapable but I’m just expecting them to have a level of competence and aura we haven’t seen from any of the other villains in this show so far.

[devout forge]

fallout in general has kinda always been that way

to be fair though the games usually dont give a shit about prewar, so i expected the show to fumble the prewar scenes but they actually did pretty well

at least i expected to not care about those scenes but they had me hooked

[carmine bay]

The Unity in 1 and Legion in NV were played pretty straight despite some of the silly aesthetics.

Institute as well

I wouldn’t say genuinely threatening villains that aren’t played for laughs are new to this franchise

[devout forge]

yeah villians are defs serious but the wasteland in general is a mix

hank is definitely played serious as the villian so i dont think theyll make the enclave goofy

[karmic frigate]

Why would the enclave want to bomb the usa?

[carmine bay]

Good question

[devout forge]

bomb the wasteland usa? probs to get rid of the mutated. but then the new bombs would just create more abominations

[topaz fjord]

And the plasma pistols were prototypes

[carmine bay]

Could be a few reasons. Seeing the nuclear war with China as inevitable they may have decided to wipe the slate clean and start over again with a new america, to ensure they have complete control over the future.

[topaz fjord]

All we know for certain is they made up much of the immediate pre war cabinet

[carmine bay]

The Enclave’s initial plan was to just wait out the destruction like Vault-Tec and reclaim the surface after radiation died down, but the wasteland being as populated as it was seemed like a surprise to them.

Guess no one predicted post war America to be as successful as it is

[topaz fjord]

See to me the shows leaning towards the idea the enclave backed government pushed china too far in conventional warfare with deathclaws, power armour etc

[frank olive]

Democracy is non negotiable

[carmine bay]

That may have been what happened regardless but they’re pushing Vault-Tec and other corporations towards dropping the bombs for a reason

[topaz fjord]

I still take as canon the numerous games including bethesda ones that lend credence to china shooting first

[devout forge]

china shooting first makes the most sense after the whole fev thing

[carmine bay]

Yeah I mean I’m not arguing who shot first, just why the Enclave would consider dropping the bombs themselves in the first place. Y’know since that what they did in the show lol.

[topaz fjord]

The question being what did the usa do with fev to provoke such a reaction, did they unleash their own version of curling

[carmine bay]

Tim Cain just portrayed it as China finding out about the human experimentation

[topaz fjord]

Perhaps

[devout forge]

at the end of the day though its probs better if its left ambiguous its part of the mystery

[topaz fjord]

True

[karmic frigate]

No like dropping the firts bomb

[topaz fjord]

It actually could be as simple as the usa had hit china far enough they had their backs against a wall

[devout forge]

https://youtu.be/xvdw3CyEGFQ?t=257

this vid pretty much explains it

[fading plover]

oh Mick and Ralph's is around still

[shy apex]

I’m gonna keep sitting on this hill that vault tec is the least likely candidate for dropping the bombs by several degrees.

It didn’t make sense before the show, and it doesn’t make sense even more with the show. The things people have used to say it was them is a vaguely similar symbol to vault tecs logo on an unexploded nuke and a single line in the show that was just used to tell the audience vault tec is not anywhere near the good side

[topaz fjord]

To me vault tec are more likely to have faked a few early warnings to get people into the vaults

[shy apex]

The ‘we drop the bombs ourselves’ was a finale line that came at the same time as norm and by proxy the audience finding out fault Tecs plans.

Yes we as fallout fans allready know vault tec is morally repugnant and all about the experiments . But casual viewers don’t and nor does norm or cooper.

[topaz fjord]

Well given at least one vault shut two years early them falsifying alarms sounds plausible

[shy apex]

If they’re actually gonna reveal who dropped the first nuke (I don’t think they will) if it was anyone but the us at large or China, it’ll be the enclave

But even the enclave doesn’t really make sense

Sure they’re morally evil by all accounts, but before the nukes they were just uber nationalists. I really doubt they wanted the earth to be ruined and the us to be wiped out

If they did they would have just nuked China when the war started. They tried everything they could to win it conventionally. Albeit with bio weapons later on

[carmine bay]

My main problem with just accepting China did it still is the show going out of its way to set up the idea that it wasn’t just China. I don’t really know what the point of the board meeting we saw in S1 was if these weren’t the plans.

[shy apex]

Agreed, they’re going too heavy handed with the ‘vault tec dropped the bombs’ even when the rest of the show gives reasons that that makes no sense

It’s the only part of the show I wish had been changed because it’s now giving credence to dumb fan theories

Also ultimately the ‘we win capitalism’ doesn’t really make much sense because if they actually go ahead with ending the world , there’s no one to give them money. Capitalism dies with the nukes

[carmine bay]

Honestly atm I’m under the belief the Enclave just prolonged the war so they could set all of their plans in motion, not because they were intent on winning conventionally.

[shy apex]

So far as the nuke scaremongering keeps going they can fool gullible rubes into giving them their life’s savings for a spot in inbred city. But if the world ends they literally lose capitalism not win

In fact the show seems to be reinforcing this because vault tec as a company isn’t actually around by 100 years post nukes. Their places are abandoned. The enclave has taken over.

[carmine bay]

The Enclave being behind everything does partially rectify the stupid post-war capitalism idea, though it still relies on the CEO’s being dumb enough to buy into it (which everyone but House does).

[shy apex]

Lots of the vaults have actually pivoted off the experiment or never started to begin with, which shows they didn’t have quite as much control as they thought they would. And the wasteland is quite populated.

Oh I totally believe the CEOs were dumb enough to. Have you seen CEOs irl

You don’t get to ceo without being insanely morally repugnant.

And irl we’ve got fitness guru social media mogul building his own fallout bunker and supposed environmentalist battery maker making mecha hitler and lobotomising it so it only praises him.

[carmine bay]

I’m aware they’re not geniuses but it doesn’t take much to realize that destroying the world removes your luxuries, status, and power in one fell swoop. But it’s whatever I guess, half of the fallout universe pre war is literally insane.

[shy apex]

All of the fallout universe is literally insane. Lots of countries were wiped out well before the us in nuclear fire and it’s legit never been touched on beyond a few vague comments

But the sad part is it’s no longer really satire, or maybe it never truly was. We are heading towards possible resource wars ourselves

[slow wadi]

That was a pretty good episode. I liked how Freeside was actually bustling with people

[shy apex]

Assume the position

[carmine bay]

I thought it was weird Freeside was that active tbh but we barely know anything about the show’s worldbuilding atm so there’s a slim chance it could be justified.

[shy apex]

I mean the deathclaws seem fine being on the strip itself so far as no one enters.

[high kettle]

lol is coop dead

[shy apex]

No, he’s literally in scenes in the trailer we havnt seen yet

[high kettle]

what trailer

[shy apex]

The trailer. The trailer for the show, the trailer for the show that shows the show

That trailer , the only thing said trailer could be, the trailer for the show

[devout forge]

hes alive

[shy apex]

What’s bro so smug about

[carmine bay]

It’s not really about the deathclaws, it’s about the city’s only source of income and trade being annihilated (NCR, Strip, presumably Legion traders too). They’d just revert to tribal communities with barely any resources otherwise as established in NV.

[high kettle]

oh right

[carmine bay]

So I have to assume they’re getting economical support from someone. Maybe the Great Khans, though I doubt it personally considering they’re just hillbilly raiders in the show.

[shy apex]

We know from the trailer that either the deathclaws get in to free side or they open the barricade

Presumably the deathclaws will be wiped out by the end and the strip will be retaken

[carmine bay]

I really like how House looks here

Cool that they made him 3D instead of a static image

[shy apex]

They are immensly durable but if 40 people with heavy weapons banded together it wouldn’t be that hard to take out a nest as long as no one panicked

Bonus points if they have a ranger with an anti material rifle provide sniper coverage

[devout forge]

funny thing is half will probs panic unless theyre all rangers

[carmine bay]

Also about the Khans: the show established they’re in the Boneyard right?

Assuming I heard that dialogue correctly

[shy apex]

Dunno. The show does sorta imply they grew enough to be a threat to the legion

[solemn geyser]

thats probably why the Ghoul has a Gauss Rifle ig and Max is in Power Armor

[shy apex]

Although tbf the legion sees everyone as a threat

[whole totem]

Yeah I interpreted Lacerta's list as "We're at war with everyone."

[carmine bay]

The old lady from Filly says something about the Khans being around.

[solemn geyser]

My guess anyway is theres probably only like 4 deathclaws

[whole totem]

Apparently the Shady Sands ruins are in "Khan Territory."

[carmine bay]

Yeah. Weird man, the Khans empire must be pretty large now.

Strange we just didn’t hear about them in S1

[solemn geyser]

I dont think they came up with the Khans Empire until season 2

[carmine bay]

I know the meta reasons why obviously

[whole totem]

My guess is that the Khans with territory in the Shithole and in Novac were just smaller groups, the Empire is mostly in Wyoming.

[solemn geyser]

It makes sense Shady Sands ended up a race for salvaging between Khans and the Brotherhood

[whole totem]

Considering the Khans have history with the place, yeah.

[solemn geyser]

Tbh I’d be more fascinated if we see a 3 way war between Legion, Khans, and NCR near shady sands during Norm’s story

[carmine bay]

Might as well add in the BoS

I don’t think we’ll be seeing the Legion after S2. Def all going to die in the finale.

[solemn geyser]

disappointed ig the finale may not be as big of a “battle” but its def gonna be better than the s1 finale

I just didnt like the action in that finale

And watching BOS ig struggle just to fight some washed up villagers in amazon shipped armor didnt help

[carmine bay]

I don’t even think we’ll be seeing the Khans. Probably going to be a mix of the Legion, BoS, and NCR.

For the finale’s battle.

Will be fun though

BoS vs Legion will be some kino

[solemn geyser]

We know theres a scene of Lucy walking in a dress around the strip so we know the battle actually happens before she escapes because theres no deathclaws

So its confusing honestly how this whole thing ends out

[devout forge]

surely the last scene will tease the location for s3

[ancient musk]

we already have it straight from house's mouth that everything in that meeting was bullshit red herrings. and i trust him more since its his business to know, and he doesnt know who dropped the bombs.

[carmine bay]

Last scene of S2 will tease the Midwestern Brotherhood

[solemn geyser]

Im gonna be honest i found that whole scene ended up pointless

Especially with season 2 basically admitting it was bullshit

like yea no vault tec isnt dropping the bombs and we are still asking who is. The good thing is its getting interesting because enclave is involved

[carmine bay]

House established it was red herrings in so far as Vault Tec and the corpos weren’t going to drop the bombs, not that the bombs weren’t going to be dropped at all iirc

[solemn geyser]

but if they doubled down vault tec drops the bombs. i dont think it would have a good payoff

[topaz fjord]

Vault tec was always too incompetent to do so

[ancient musk]

they didn't, you can take that to the bank. however enclave might have, and parts of vault tec became enclave.

so they MIGHT have been complicit, but they absolutely 100% did not decide to nuke their own country they earn most of their income from

people thinking that are basically ignoring their whole lore where they more or less run the USA like samsung runs South Korea

[frank olive]

"Everybody knows you never double down. You went full, doubled down man"
(Unless high luck)

[solemn geyser]

well its not that people thought that. Its more so the show made a scene with the context of it that ended up being a false herring

Like ik they did that scene for dramatic reasons

[ancient musk]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

[solemn geyser]

my issue with the scene mostly comes to being the finale of that season of an obvious misdirection just to wait a year for that obvious confirmation answer

[ancient musk]

the whole tagline of NV is the game was rigged from the start. it was ALWAYS enclave who dropped the first bomb if the question ever was if USA or China fired first

[frank olive]

Truth is

[ancient musk]

to decapitate corrupt USA leadership and ensure their own supremacy

[solemn geyser]

they sorta hinted enclave in season 1 with the mysterious figure Barb looks up. Issue is that never gets emphasized again. Wilzig ofc is enclave ad we see an actual enclave base but thats not rlly relevant to the pre war context

[frank olive]

I hope we sure do find out

[ancient musk]

it doesnt need to be. people who paid attention noticed it. if they kept showing the figure then it wouldn't be very mysterious at all.

[frank olive]

Mysterious stranger in fact

[solemn geyser]

well i didnt want them to just say it but rather make the scene more complex but also obvious to casual viewers this was a misdirect

[ancient musk]

the scene showed everything it needed to show, that there was another player

anything more and it's not subtle anymore and ruins the element

[solemn geyser]

I wouldnt say it showed everything. More so being a dramatic element for the characters cooper and House since they overheard the discussion.

and again that was a finale episode

like my issue with season 1 and yes i did enjoy it overall. My issue ofc was they used aspects that sometimes felt too quickly developed and not used again

[ancient musk]

it wasn't a dramatic event, it was a subtle hint showing enclave is watching them

[solemn geyser]

it was def made for dramatics because its what gets cooper involved into the end of the world scheme

He believes Barb works for a company that wants to end the world

He was led to believe House would have done it and now hes had even more confirmation Vault Tec is evil and then next episode he learns theres someone else

[ancient musk]

no, barb was already working for the corrupt elements of VT at that point, and he was against it from the start

and ever since he found out he's been wanting to get out or make amends

[timber wing]

Prewar America was fracturing moments before the bombs fell, if they didn't drop there would have been societal collapse anyway

[solemn geyser]

But he wasnt aware of the possibility of world violence

His prewar story now leans heavily into him figuring the pieces

[timber wing]

It leans heavily into him learning and becoming ostracized by society

[ancient musk]

the enclave part has nothing to do with cooper figuring out his wife works for bad people

[timber wing]

Like that senator we see, he loses access to Hollywood and becomes a children's entertainer

[ancient musk]

unless you go the route of presuming enclave is manipulating barb which might be the case. but that goes do a whole new layer of trying to explain her character.

[solemn geyser]

I wouldnt say he’s being ostracized. Him being called a communist doesnt seem to bother him. Nor being rejected of wealth or fame doesnt even look like something he cares. His acting career was built off opportunity as the american dream.

But the reason he’s so interested and especially helping Moldavor is because of the words that came out of Barb’s mouth.

His beliefs are being proven wrong and America is corrupt which he always knew but more awakened by it

[timber wing]

Ostracized is the wrong word, he clearly loses social status from what he once had

I wonder if he does something like goes on TV to expose VaultTech but ends up looking crazy

[solemn geyser]

my point is his prewar story is a drama about the end of the world and who does it and whether he has the possibility to stop it

[timber wing]

Yeah

Clearly everyone was caught by surprise by the start of the war

[solemn geyser]

And thats why the vault tec dropping the bombs scene was so important specifically to him

[timber wing]

Except the President we know he removed himself from society months before

[solemn geyser]

its why he was almost shell shocked listening to the meeting

[ancient musk]

he gets fucked up from seeing someone so close to him being corrupt and that shakes up his whole world, he might have been a naive corpo shill but he never could have realized how bad things actually are

[carmine bay]

Definitely not a red flag

[solemn geyser]

thats basically what i said just now

[timber wing]

Fallout prewar is crazy considering Europe and Middle East have already been decimated

[solemn geyser]

but like again comes back to that scene. Imo it could have been better if it made a little more sense

All the executives were interested in vaults to experiment their products. They could have emphasized better that the “end of the world” was more of a metaphor

And we see in season 2 it shows when they started doing last minute air raid alarms

[ancient musk]

funnily enough UK will probably become the dominant wasteland power, i think theyve been spared from most of it. and seemingly they're managing to avoid direct strikes from any previous superpower.

[solemn geyser]

They are scaring americans into investing in Vault tec

my issue is i wanna see more of that

like what tactics Vault Tec is doing to persuade people to use their vaults

[ancient musk]

i think the "we drop the bomb ourselves" is just marketing speech for upping their fearmongering. the vault project was a massive investment for them after all so it would need massive support

[solemn geyser]

It was clearly a metaphor and I would have liked to see things happen that viewers may assume vault tec has the control but really its someone else

like in season 2 that whole fallout 4 recreated prewar scene was cool because now we understand how they market vaults

But they could also double down like radio stations, propaganda, news stations

And we would all know deeper looking in the Enclave would be behind this because they’d know how to manipulate Americans, believing the world could end

[ancient musk]

they had easy access to government channels because they were the ones footing the bill so it was a high priority national matter, they could have gotten the government to say anything basically

[solemn geyser]

like if u analyze that fallout 4 recreated scene. Ofc who has access to post nation wide air raid tests? The Government. Who would quickly deploy vertibirds for those tests and practice military occupation. The Government

And then you’d see ofc Vault Tex billboards, all the marketing

[ancient musk]

but we already know with posteriority their point wasnt to make money it was to gather data, but nobody assumed the world would end for realisies

[solemn geyser]

There def was fear of it

[ancient musk]

besides maybe house and some more realistic people in the government who wouldnt have a voice

[solemn geyser]

we see in the very first scene of ep1 in season 1. Even news reports are talking about Alaska. Parents are discussing about current events

Like people seem very oddly scared almost like theres just hints everyone knows something bad is gonna happen but no idea when

[topaz fiber]

Who's going to recognize Hank

[ancient musk]

the fear of the world ending is just something u cant realistically depict or prepare for so for most people it would just have been a shock either way no matter how many news channels were talking about it

[topaz fiber]

Hank doesn't have to hide in Vegas because literally no one would know anything about him

[ancient musk]

i can imagine even the leadership of enclave just going "oh, fuck"

[solemn geyser]

i mean that is why the president mysteriously disappeared

and we all knew this that yea the enclave probably knew at the highest of positions

[ancient musk]

in that case a pre-emptive strike would have been ordered, but they were "merely" at highest defcon stance. nobody expected an actual mutually assured destruction event.

[topaz fiber]

https://youtube.com/shorts/0kRzET95u20?si=sxnJ3SksYa71kiQr

[ancient musk]

altho a false flag attack meant to destroy just 1 city to which the USA would fire everything they have at china seems kinda plausible

[topaz fiber]

This is interesting, the creator of the fo3/4 deathclaw thinks the face of the deathclaw in the show resembles somebodies dog

[solemn geyser]

it gives me the Godzilla look, it has that snout

That odd snout that makes Godzilla in the US films sorta friendly

[topaz fiber]

I think he was implying that that specific deathclaw was spliced with someone's dog

[solemn geyser]

i like that its more like a lizard

[topaz fiber]

Which huh that would be interesting...

Maybe splicing it with the dog tho gives it the want for a master/ remember it's old masters scent

[topaz fiber]

Fallout shelter ones unironically look good

The fuck were they doing in fobos

[white mantle]

The show dialogue has Lucy calling it a “bull-lizard” IIRC.

[white mantle]

Bawls.

[karmic frigate]

Ironically goes hard

[solemn geyser]

the snout was why i said it reminded me of godzilla

[ancient musk]

the only scary one is fo3/nv. in fo1+2 its kinda just a regular enemy that has lots of movement. in fo3/nv they're so fast and basically just oneshot your character half the time.

the fo4/76 ones are SO SLOW and weak its crazy

[karmic frigate]

They gave them gym shoulders lol

[solemn geyser]

this is fo1/2

[karmic frigate]

[carmine bay]

The show design is pretty good though I wish the horns were a little smaller

[solemn geyser]

was on some manual i believe

[carmine bay]

This isn’t what the clay model looks like

Which the sprite is based on

[oblique tulip]

That's tactics

[karmic frigate]

Looks like a body builder furry with horns lolol i love it

[solemn rivet]

I think this and tactics design are my favorites

Im not a elitest I just like campy things

[carmine bay]

The FO1/2 look is my fav atm

[karmic frigate]

Fo4. Supremacy

[solemn geyser]

it def has the lizard look

[karmic frigate]

Deathclaws are more like dinosaurs there for they are chickens

We need a kfc in fallout

[solemn geyser]

well they are genetically related from a specific lizard

[solemn rivet]

This is what deathclaws were supposed to look like but it wasn’t possible back then, when tactics came out they looked like they were supposed to but nobody liked it

[carmine bay]

Atomic Fried Chicken

[karmic frigate]

Id kill for some desthclaw wings

[solemn geyser]

The crocodile deathclaw is rad

[solemn rivet]

Thats like a werewolf

[solemn geyser]

hes just chill like that

[solemn rivet]

Yo chill ass dude bro

[karmic frigate]

Looks like an early human fromm the stone age with steroids

[karmic frigate]

"Its cold" ahh deathclaw

[solemn geyser]

he got a clean cut, horns overrated

[solemn rivet]

Tv show Deathclaws have the posture and head of classic deathclaws from 1&2

[solemn geyser]

aka he buff as fuck

[karmic frigate]

Barber pushed his horns back to prewar tmes

[solemn geyser]

hes a florida man

[carmine bay]

I do like the pseudo smile they have going on. Looks good.

[karmic frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/yay-screaming-excited-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-gif-12412662

[solemn rivet]

Unironically I remember the nv ones being buff but I haven’t played new Vegas in a while

[solemn rivet]

I see it now lmao

[solemn geyser]

it def feels like a mix of 3 and 4 deathclaws

[karmic frigate]

Add a snout and horns bum

Rockclaw

[solemn rivet]

These dont even look like something youd see in a wasteland this looks like a demon from doom

[oblique tulip]

Without the goofy lipstick

[solemn geyser]

i like that deathclaws are nicknamed a demon in this show

[karmic frigate]

"Leg day ? never heard of it"

[solemn rivet]

Why did they have lipstick

[solemn geyser]

No wonder Doom Guy exists in fo4

[white mantle]

To attract mates, obvs.

[solemn rivet]

“Leg day? Yea I ate a couple”

[white mantle]

“Hello, sailor…”

[solemn rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/fig-gif-26092737

[white mantle]

Also, Walton Goggins is just crushing it.

What a supremely talented actor. I’ve enjoyed his stuff since The Shield but he brings a lot of gravitas and depth to what could be, honestly, a kind of corny character.

[plucky knot]

It’s spelled different

[white mantle]

You cast The Ghoul wrong and he’s just Cowboy Deadpool.

[plucky knot]

Why is the ghoul a corny character

[solemn rivet]

Is this real concept art

[white mantle]

See immediately above. With the wrong actor, it’d be hokey. A sassmouthed cowboy zombie!

[white mantle]

That looks like costume design art?

[clear tartan]

So based on what was said this episode, some of the areas controlled by the NCR is now Khan Country?

[solemn rivet]

Yea it might be

[clear tartan]

I didn't understand exactly, if its California or the area surrounding the Mojave

[white mantle]

Yes and - control of the Strip and surrounding areas has changed hands repeatedly according to the bartender.

[solemn rivet]

The khans were the only ones to take the Mojave seriously I guess they deserve it

[white mantle]

So where exactly the contours of Khan Country are might be fluid (and it’s a bit of a retcon since Ma June didn’t actually mention them back in S1) but they’re a known problem for travelers.

[solemn rivet]

Yea and at some point the khans once lived in freeside before getting kicked out

[clear tartan]

Canonically took their revenge for the massacre. Funny now how there's an old video about them that says they're a faction that can't win lol.

[white mantle]

Well, they got their shit wrecked in Novac at least.

[solemn rivet]

I think we all thought they’d lose

When in Mongolia?

[white mantle]

Also, if any characters from the show wind up in FO5 as NPCs, I want it to be Ma June.

[clear tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-nono-nope-its-y-ou-point-gif-17426917

Look at them now

[solemn rivet]

You mean us?

[plucky knot]

Is this pre corruption?

[clear tartan]

The Chess Club Always Wins

[crimson hornet]

Goggins is one of those actors I never think of but has never disappointed me.

Or, previously never thought of.

Really underrated.

[hybrid bough]

This has been the most interesting episode of the show so far

[karmic frigate]

The ghoul falling got me laughing like hell
Why whas it so wierddd

[oblique tulip]

This is me how did I end up in this

[zenith terrace]

Alright so house only sort of knew about the enclave

[silver narwhal]

the show has some goofy scenes

[white mantle]

I would suggest that House “knows” about the Enclave in the sense that there’s a hole in the puzzle, so to speak.

Something isn’t there that absolutely has to be there, and he isn’t perhaps 100% certain what it IS exactly.

[zenith terrace]

I somehow doubt the ghoul is gonna die here

I also wonder how he plans to uh, remove himself from that pole

[plucky knot]

How do we all feel abt the enclave coming back

[zenith terrace]

Sadly confirmed since start of the series

[plucky knot]

I just saw an enclave edit and I wanted to talk abt it my bad twin

[white mantle]

PLOT TWIST: the extremely mild mannered Congresswoman we’ve met a few times now is Enclave.

(I do not actually believe this…. Yet.)

[zenith terrace]

I just hope we see more pre war segments about the enclave

[plucky knot]

I think it’s pretty cool and it makes sense that they would have so many bases I mean having just one is like putting all ur money into one stock and hoping for the best

[spark cloud]

Congresswoman Welch is either an enclave agent or is going to get murdered by the Enclave for making too much noise.

[zenith terrace]

Yeah it's just tiresome that they keep emerging as anything more significant than a regional threat

[white mantle]

She could be a patsy.

But yeah, I think she probably has a bit more of a role to play.

[plucky knot]

They first emerged as a global threat

[plucky knot]

Then they emerged as a regional threat in fo3

[white mantle]

The Enclave is tbh the most reasonable of the factions to keep popping up. Lots of cells that all think they’re the Last Real Americans Left and none of them are in contact with each other.

[oblique tulip]

"Regional" theart planned to genocide the whole planet in 2

[uncut blaze]

I wish it was the Garret twins instead of some random dude

[zenith terrace]

And then they got completely and unambiguously destroyed
And then that happened again in the next game

They shouldn't have the capacity to be a major player beyond local areas now imo

[hybrid bough]

Fuck that ghoul

[carmine bay]

The real enclave were just hiding in space trust

[white mantle]

(There’s a bit in the book World War Z about “LAME-Os”, random survivalists and preppers who thought they were the Last Men on Earth until the surviving civilization found them.)

[uncut blaze]

I think its weird that they refuse to have like any returning characters no matter how irrelevant they are

[inner marten]

I’m glad they don’t shoehorn in random npcs

[zenith terrace]

The Garrett twins would've been in their 50s or so right

[plucky knot]

That’s what I said

[white mantle]

I can imagine there are chunks of Enclave out there that are similar. “Yes, we have been hiding out in our bunker beneath Valdosta, Georgia for 250 years, but soon okay?!”

[plucky knot]

They were only a local threat to Washington

[carmine bay]

Both

[uncut blaze]

Remnants of remnants

[zenith terrace]

Whatever the case I hope they stay out of the limelight, at least for now

[carmine bay]

I don’t really care if they come back in full force atp I think they’re too big of a deal in the show to ignore, it just can’t be the same motivation they’ve had in all of their other appearances

[white mantle]

They’re part of the broader Fallout IP. They’re gonna show up eventually.

[zenith terrace]

I wonder if Cooper will contact moldaver about the enclave

Actually we still don't know how Cooper's kid got to vault tec right

[uncut blaze]

What if Fallout 5 has you playing as like the tribal grandkid of the Courier and you have to help the BOS and NCR take down the Enclave

[white mantle]

They got airdropped into FO4 for absolutely no narrative reason beyond “Somehow, The Enclave returned.”

[carmine bay]

This is the problem with the series

[zenith terrace]

Player character called the selected one

[zenith terrace]

TBF that was creation club content they had no actual canon presence in 4

[novel wraith]

Fuck I really love Walton goggins

[white mantle]

I figure we will see that happen relatively soon.

[carmine bay]

uses FEV to genocide the wasteland for the third time

[uncut blaze]

Somehow, the Enclave returned

[carmine bay]

Very interesting

[zenith terrace]

That's what they're gonna do it's the entire reason they exist

[carmine bay]

Yeh and it’s ass

[zenith terrace]

Hence remnants are more fun

[white mantle]

What they do with the Enclave probably depends on how the show’s writers feel about -~PuTTiNg pOLiTiCs iNTo tEh sHoW~-

[uncut blaze]

I hope they only exist in the show in like a pre war capacity, they are way too boring post war

[violet brook]

Enclave has remnants and automation all over the place one spot where they could sort of rebuild would be appalacha but that wouldn't rly be enclave just modus and some wastelanders that totally ignore the values and stuff themselves full of mutations

Also man, I loved this episode, it didn't beat ep4 but how they framed ghouls regrets was just epic

[white mantle]

“There’s a secret cabal inside the US Government that’s looking to start a global war to somehow ensure American supremacy” isn’t that far fetched to many people these days.

“Oh and they’re hell of racist” isn’t either.

[topaz fiber]

Apparently the deathclaw model in fo1-2 was a licensed Terrasque

[plucky knot]

Politics have been in the games forever

[oblique tulip]

Fallout was allwas based on politics

[carmine bay]

I’m assuming House has considered the possibility of a secret cabal, but if not that is a bit funny. Illuminati secret societies are a very popular trope.

[topaz fiber]

What does that even mean

[plucky knot]

Some of these fans smh

[oblique tulip]

Low intelligence dialouge best ignore it

[topaz fiber]

I'm just confused how they think putting the enclave in makes it political

[white mantle]

Clearly I need to clarify.

Whatever they do with the Enclave, the casual audience is going to assume it’s a commentary on Current Events. It’s meant to be “about Trump” or whatever, even if it isn’t.

[topaz fiber]

Unlikely

[white mantle]

ok lol

[oblique tulip]

So you mean the anti woke whiners?

[shy apex]

I mean the enclave always was a commentary on conspiracy theorists

[oblique tulip]

Whose options dont matter

[white mantle]

I mean it can go either way - people say “haha the show is sticking it to MAGA” or “oh no this woke lib show is insulting real patriots” or even “actually the Enclave is 100% correct”

[topaz fiber]

The enclave will be involved with fev in the show, we'll be seeing secret experiments and shit probably super mutants, not really something you can relate to trump lol

[shy apex]

It jsut so happens current events are the epitome of what conspiracy theorists have been whining about for half a century, but since most of them lean right. They don’t care

[clear tartan]

Canonically the th3overseer series is the true ending and the Courier joined the Khans 😼

[plucky knot]

I rlly don’t care if they make fun of political parties

[plucky knot]

Lmao

[white mantle]

Never mind the irony that this show is produced and distributed by Amazon.

Jeff Bezos probably doesn’t concern himself with fiction either lol

[autumn tangle]

Idk he was sure all over William Shatner’s balls when he met him

[white mantle]

Well yeah, he was TJ Hooker!

[karmic frigate]

Is this a refrance to fallout ragdolls??

[white mantle]

Fallout is inherently kind of goofy. It began as a satire-parody of Cold War sci-fi, etc.

[shy apex]

Man if they could read maga would be up in arms about this

[quick lichen]

??

I didn't post any memes lmao

[plucky knot]

It’s stupid it’s anything in a meme format

[quick lichen]

Which I didn't post

Anyway

[inner marten]

The issue about the anti-woke crowd is if you release anything related to any moral issues or societal reflection they get mad and assume you are targeting them because they are so used to being on the wrong side of issues that they can’t comprehend something not being an attack on them

[shy apex]

Or they just actively don’t think it’s an issue

[unique locust]

tuff

[oblique tulip]

Pepole are still whining about the body type thing in the obilvon remaster

[shy apex]

Remeber the right in the us is for the most part comprised of people who think their only a few days away from being billionaires

[inner marten]

Just gotta hit it big on polymarket

[shy apex]

A lot of maga would quite happily nuke China if it had no repercussions, and if trumps any indication, even if it did because he’s he’s too dumb and senile to comprehend sharpies don’t change hurricane paths

Patriot used to be a negative word.

[subtle lark]

Am I on something or onto something?

[autumn tangle]

Are you even a real Fallout fan if you’re not fervently anticipating global thermonuclear war

[inner marten]

It’s a decent coincidence but those are just generic vials

I can see it being foreshadowing tho

[shy apex]

Generic poundland glass vial

[carmine bay]

Oh hey it’s the actual JuiceHead

[inner marten]

Yeah, I have some of these with essential oil in it

[shy apex]

Cringe

Ok so, essential oils Aren’t actually essential , so why are called essential oils

[inner marten]

I just use them to make my office smell good chill

[ocean topaz]

essential = containing the essence of

[shy apex]

Oh

[inner marten]

Not pseudo science

[outer lake]

extracted from essential npc's

[inner marten]

They just smell nice

[shy apex]

I disagree, I’ve smelled them

[inner marten]

You have smelled every essential oil?

[shy apex]

My nose has not recovered

[subtle lark]

I legit refuse to believe in coincidence in Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy stuff

[shy apex]

It it ain’t vanilla , it’s going in the shitter , that’s what I always say

[subtle lark]

[autumn tangle]

With this oil’s death, the thread of aromatherapy is severed. Restore a saved game to restore the weave of fate, or persist in the doomed world you have created.

[shy apex]

I may or may not have just drunk a small bottle of vanilla extract

[inner marten]

If it was any more descript of an item I would agree 100% but these are so generic it could be anything

Moldaver may have given cooper a way to become a ghoul soon after the bombs

[carmine bay]

What’s the connection supposed to be anyways. Ghouls drink poison?

[shy apex]

Moldaver has to be frozen before the bombs tbh

[carmine bay]

Good for brain health imo

[inner marten]

Moldaver may have created the ghoul drug and or they are the same thing as the poison

[inner marten]

Why?

Coopers daughter isn’t in a vault till well after the bombs

[carmine bay]

Yeah ik, but idk why she couldn’t just use… actual poison in this theory.

[grim vortex]

I thought House was portrayed pretty accurately

[inner marten]

Many scientific discoveries are an accident, it could be ment to be poison but for some reason it has a different effect on ghouls

Or just showing she is a competent chemist

That could make both drugs

[shy apex]

How old is she in the flashbacks

[inner marten]

You can’t ask a woman that

[shy apex]

Cus she doesn’t look more than mid 50s in the post war show

[inner marten]

I’ve been leaning towards moldaver being a “perfect ghoul” more then cryo recently

[fading plover]

Do we even know when the vegas flashback was, year wise

[inner marten]

We don’t know when anything was

Besides the scene with the bombs

[fading plover]

yeah i assume most prewar scenes might jump back and forth?

[shy apex]

I’ve been leaning to the pre war stuff starting 2 years prior to the nuke and then being in the year of as of s2

[autumn tangle]

How the hell does his daughter get from his car to a vault in Vegas after the nukes fall

That’s what I wanna know

What did he put her on a Vault Tec Vertibird or something

[inner marten]

Vertibird is my guess

But also plenty of people survived the initial bombings, if you do t get evaporated you can just get inside and use radaway

[carmine bay]

Fallout’s miracle drugs are pretty potent

[autumn tangle]

I sure wish I had some radaway

[devout peak]

Very similar to the enclave soldiers in season 1 and they name drop the enclave in episode 5 most likely to retcon season 1 and say that they dropped the bombs instead

[vestal jewel]

I feel so vindicated about my house theory

Like actually got me screaming at my tv. I haven’t done that since TWD season 5 or something lmao

[shy apex]

there is no retconning s1

[vestal jewel]

People are so mad too about House being crazy. Have they not played the games???

[shy apex]

s1 doesnt say anyone dropped the bombs

i cant even blame media iliteracy for this

[carmine bay]

House isn’t really crazy he’s just a mad boi

[vestal jewel]

I feel like the only people who got fooled by the vault tec meeting were just ones who don’t pay attention to lore like that. Because like we know there are SEVERAL different conflicting answers about who fired first. This is just the writers adding to the (much needed) confusion about the war

[autumn tangle]

I keep expecting the Enclave to show up looking for the Cold Fusion… would be cool to see some x2 power armor

[vestal jewel]

But back to house. Of course he of all people would never show his true face in the media because of his paranoia.

[carmine bay]

Another Howard Hughes reference too

[karmic frigate]

Love how they used the same picture and just enlarged the actor to cover up house lol

[hybrid bough]

Likely

[devout forge]

so coop didnt know who house was in the bathroom, he mustve thought he was a secret admirer lmao

[hybrid bough]

yeah

[inner marten]

People only do two things, take all dialog as 100% truth with zero nuance, or believe everything is a complete lie to set up a narrative twist

[fierce arch]

This. If anything the show has shown me that people cannot read, do not understand nuance, subtext, reading between the lines, or have much of any intellectual meaning to think beyond. "WOW What this character said MUST be true." Despite there being a bunch of evidence to counter it, simply because a character says something, it is taken as factual and it is beyond incompetent.

[fading plover]

now that we saw lucky 38 cold fusion room.. i feel like it's very high chance max will go to Vegas and eventually give the power to Lucky 38

[inner marten]

Yeah it’s depressing, stranger things most recent season was “meh” but the hate train shows that people don’t really think or pay attention to what they watch anymore

[fading plover]

we already know he meets Cooper and attacks the deathclaw

and somehow Howard gets inside 38 after that

[inner marten]

Crowbar, nobody ever thought to try that before

[fierce arch]

Yeah, it is the only other location that shows us a Cold Fusion room that we have time to explore. Hence why I have always said it makes zero sense for Max to give it to the NCR. They have no presence or a place to get Cold Fusion in the finale. The Lucky 38 does though. But it's possible Cold Fusion gets destroyed.

[fierce arch]

It's the type of black and white viewpoints that are super frustrating to see cause again, they do just lack any level of nuance and ignore a bunch of things the show tells you. The NCR collapsing is one that, I will never understand. I can understand being worried, but the Faction is not gone. The show makes a point of showing that.

[inner marten]

Cold fusion can be moved, max will give it to house so he can use his air defenses to kill the BOS then take it back for the people of the NCR

Also the elder is 100% gonna use the children as meat shields against Maximus and his trauma

[fierce arch]

This I can see.

[fierce arch]

It's possible? I just don't know if we'll have enough time in the finale but I could be wrong, genuinely.

[inner marten]

There is a 3rd season lol

Like they aren’t gonna give the ultimate power of the wasteland to house at the end of the series

[shy apex]

theres easily gonna be 3 more seasons minimum

[inner marten]

It’s gotta be feel good

[oblique tulip]

Sessaon 4 gonna need to play f5 to understand it

[fierce arch]

Oh, that I know I was talking strictly this season. Lol I have no idea what could happen in the next seasons other than it's relation to Fallout 5.

[devout forge]

s3 is connected to fo5??

[oblique tulip]

Yes

[devout forge]

thats a bombshell

we're gonna get gta 6 before fallout 5 💔

[oblique tulip]

What ever happens in s3 will likley be important to f5

[oblique tulip]

Gta 6 delayed 5 years due to raise in gta online player count

[inner marten]

I honestly doubt those claims are much more then marketing and exaggeration, they have zero idea what f5 is gonna be imho

[fierce arch]

Yeah

[fierce arch]

If it didn't come from Todd I wouldn't believe it.

[inner marten]

Todd has never lied to us

[oblique tulip]

Todd said it tho

Todd can't lie

[inner marten]

“Important to fallout 5” can legit mean, “we are gonna establish the enclave are still powerfull”

[midnight kiln]

so glad i decided to check for new episodeeeee

[silver narwhal]

they’re really building up for the final episode to be a death claw fight

[inner marten]

It comes out every week on the same day fam, no need to check

[fierce arch]

He has, this is one where I don't see lying serving him in a positive light. Like I could be wrong, but it could heavily backfire if he lies about it, this openly. But we shall see.

[silver narwhal]

That is so lame

[midnight kiln]

i forget :D

[inner marten]

It’s gonna be BOS/legion/deathclaw fight

And khans

[silver narwhal]

I hate making new source material

[inner marten]

They push the khans hard in diolog so far

[fierce arch]

Yeah Khan country is a huge implication.

Glad to know the Wyoming ending was somewhat accurate.

[silver narwhal]

how did the khans manage to fill the power vacuum

[inner marten]

Gonna make episode 1 make sense when we see them again

[fierce arch]

The Wyoming ending explains how they could have. Which is probably what Bethesda went with.

[inner marten]

They had 15 years to do it, also papa khan probably survived

Yeah went to Wyoming for a few years, NCR and legion got weak and now they head to the Mojave to raid, like real Mongolians from the khan era

[fierce arch]

The Followers of Apocalypse came in clutch for them again.

[silver narwhal]

they really need to touch on who runs Hoover dam

[dawn dust]

This is canon

[fierce arch]

They probably won't because it's irrelevant. If all the factions are weak, no one's operating the Dam.

[devout forge]

surely the final battle would be between factions instead of some mutant lizards

[fierce arch]

LMAOOO

[midnight kiln]

LMAO WHAT WAS THAT SECOND DEATHCLAWS ROAR

[silver narwhal]

It’s not irrelevant. There is absolutely zero reason for Vegas to hold any interest if Hoover dam is not operational.

[midnight kiln]

eeUUUUrrr

[oblique tulip]

Whole ressaon ncr is in Nevada is the dam

[inner marten]

Cold fusion makes the dam irrelevant

[silver narwhal]

Vegas doesn’t have cold fusion

[fierce arch]

Wth Vegas's importance exists beyond the Dam. The Dam is not what made Vegas is important. Lmao Cold Fusion subverting what the Dam can do is what was coming a mile away.

[silver narwhal]

The dam is quite literally everything

[inner marten]

House has a cold fusion generator in his pent house and max is running away to Vegas with it

[fierce arch]

Yes it does. Did you watch the episode? It has the tech to take Cold Fusion like Area 51 and the Observatory.

[unique locust]

Vault Tec honest reaction:
https://tenor.com/view/fallout-nuke-show-nuclear-mushroom-cloud-gif-5716879212569907469

[sly iron]

less what?

[plush owl]

I just realized the Deathclaws could be blind.

[fierce arch]

It's not, you can't see beyond this thought process which is why you think the Dam is everything, the Dam is no longer relevant to the Mojave, and the plot.

[carmine bay]

With how the scene plays out I wondered this too

[silver narwhal]

In the game house says that Vegas is powered by the dam. Vegas has fresh water because of the dam.

The dam is very fucking important.

[fierce arch]

They're not. They have stronger scents, their eyes are decent - not the best.

[oblique tulip]

Deathclaws aren't blind

[carmine bay]

Shit tier eyesight if they lost track of the protags as fast as they did imo

[inner marten]

The power aspect means nothing anymore, the water one stands but the population is low enough to not require the full reservoir

[sly iron]

If deathclaws are blind
WE WOULDNT GET THEM COMING QUARRY JUNCTION NOW WOULD WE?!?!

[fierce arch]

The relevancy is beyond the game at this point. The power aspect means nothing with a stronger and better power source is introduced into the lore.

[unique locust]

I blame the enclave

[fierce arch]

Yeah, I did say decent - Deathclaws eyes have always been solid, or milky. They operate on scent and hearing which is much stronger which is why they're harder to sneak around.

[sly iron]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-gif-22839895

Do not blame the faction that will save the wasteland

[silver narwhal]

Vegas doesn’t have cold fusion. It’s not some mass produced miracle tech.

House wouldn’t have had to shut down his reactor if he got access to cold fusion. That is plenty of energy

[unique locust]

They literally tried to poison the entire water supply because they were mad about some radiation 💀

[fierce arch]

Are you - you have to either be trolling, or lying. House literally has the Cold fusion tech in Lucky 38, they showed it this episode.

[silver narwhal]

Large stable populations do not exist in the desert without steady food and water

[silver narwhal]

Because the show doesn’t define every fucking aspect of fallout lore

[fierce arch]

Brother, you're in denial. Good lord. lol

[silver narwhal]

House having cold fusion DOES NOT MAKE SENSE considering any established dialogue or story from New Vegas

[oblique tulip]

And you ignoring the clear major plot point

[midnight kiln]

WHAT IS THAT 😭😭

[unique locust]

but it definitely threw some massive wrenches into the lore that have fans losing their minds. since it's officially canon.

and its 2296

[silver narwhal]

Holy fuck. House is clearly dead. Nobody in Vegas has cold fusion. The dam is still necessary.

[fierce arch]

Yeah, FNV puritans cannot fathom their lore coming from a perspective without all the facts. Unironic example of people having poor media literacy. lol

[silver narwhal]

Cold fusion doesn’t give you fresh water either

[silver narwhal]

It’s not poor media literacy bro it’s just retcon after retcon. A good show doesn’t need thousands of them

the dam literally has to matter

[fierce arch]

Cold Fusion tech doesn't exist in Vegas, y'all.

[oblique tulip]

The show doesn't have 1000s of retcons media literacy

[unique locust]

if the NCR is truly shattered because of Shady Sands being nuked and the Legion has collapsed, the Dam might just be a giant, empty concrete wall tho

[inner marten]

House doesn’t have cold fusion yet but he will

[silver narwhal]

it’s not the complete technology genius

[silver narwhal]

it’s an over exaggeration

[fierce arch]

No, it is poor media litearcy. You're just in denial over the fact the Dam literally is irrelevant to the show's plot, and you can't accept it. lol

[inner marten]

There is no reason to worry about the dam of house can get the magic jelly bean from max

[midnight kiln]

did i interrupt some sort of heated debate?

y'all good?

[fierce arch]

No just a fnv fan in denial lmao

[silver narwhal]

Have you played New Vegas? Do you know what a society needs to function? Lol

Cold fusion doesn’t make water

[unique locust]

To the characters in the show, the Dam is probably just a big piece of concrete.
To the fans, it matters because of the memories of that final battle
But in the 2296 power struggle? It's been eclipsed by bigger, scarier tech.

[oblique tulip]

It can with the power

[midnight kiln]

gang it's not that serious i say as i lost my shit over the King dying

[inner marten]

Vegas literally gets most of their water from an underground reservoir not the dam

[uncut blaze]

how is vegas even powered

[inner marten]

The sharecroppers talk about it

[fierce arch]

I've played more than you, lol if you understand any level of literarcy you'd know that Cold fusion would enable Freeside & Westside to get water, and it'd fix their issues. That's part of the reason they introduced the tech into the Lucly 38. House doesn't have to be alive for Cold Fusion to even work. The tech is in the lucky 38 building it just needs to be turned on and city will be powered.

[uncut blaze]

assuming no one is maintaining hoover dam?

[inner marten]

Probably limited power from Helios or the dam plus minor reactors using fusion cores

[unique locust]

it’s no longer the center of the universe
it’s just a big pile of concrete in a world that’s moved on to scarier things

[fierce arch]

Yes, the Dam is no longer the center of the plot, thus somewhat irrelevant - especially if all the factions are weak. No one's maintaining it.

[unique locust]

Tactically, It still matters. It’s a massive fortress and it controls the water, which is still the most valuable thing in a desert.

[midnight kiln]

yeah, but it's obviously not the main crux of the show's plot

[inner marten]

The water is more important to California then Vegas

[unique locust]

but yeah, Since Vegas looks like a ghost town in the show, the Dam is likely either broken or just a hollow monument to a war that nobody "won."

[fierce arch]

Yes, but in a scenario where no one can man it. It doesn't matter. The NCR could barely keep the Dam operational beyond 50% anyway. It was somewhat of a futile effort on their part.

[orchid crow]

Hoover Dam is important to fallout new vegas, not fallout season 2

[midnight kiln]

it's still important, just not important to what's currently going down in the show

[oblique tulip]

Freeside was filled with pepole in the show

[fierce arch]

Thank you, D. ❤️

[unique locust]

yeah war never changes type shit

[silver narwhal]

omfg

Vegas is in a desert. Abundant energy doesn’t produce water and irrigation. Lake mead is canonically the city’s water reservoir in the game.

[orchid crow]

I'm very interested to see where they go with the legion, I think they were played too goofy thus far, but if we get the one dude taking over and then it becoming a bit more serious I'd be alright with this

[fierce arch]

Yeah, and im still of the belief Freeside and Westside merged, they looked super close from wider shots.

[fierce arch]

Yeah, we do still have a few more scenes in regards to him taking over and getting his crown. I'm very curious how it'll play out.

[sly iron]

How was that moment when lucy said the thing
You mention before that it felt to ridclious

[silver narwhal]

If House himself in the game says he needs the dam to power Vegas then he obviously doesn’t have cold fusion.

[orchid crow]

Are you asking how I thought they were to silly?

[midnight kiln]

alright y'all ladies have fun discussing important lore business. imma go back to laughing at Deathclaw roars that sound like noise sticks

[sly iron]

yes

[carmine bay]

I assumed House’s deal to get cold fusion would get sabotaged in the show.

In the next episode perhaps.

[fierce arch]

Yeah of course, Victor kinda outs that Cooper was the cause.

[orchid crow]

The joke about how caeser is pronounced is funny, but only funny once. Having the ghoul show up and make it a second time was goofy. Having them fight over a skeleton was goofy, having there be two caesers 40 feet away from each other disconnected by a small hill was goofy, etc

[silver narwhal]

It’s obvious. It will happen.

[fierce arch]

House in the show makes it clear he was looking to acquire it.

[sly iron]

...
I meant this

[silver narwhal]

He doesn’t get it.

[sly iron]

I look at you what to do in this situation

[silver narwhal]

the entire plot of New Vegas proves that

[fierce arch]

I'm aware he doesn't get it, it doesn't mean that people can't go up into Lucky 38 later and put it in. That's probably what the Ghoul or Max will do.

[carmine bay]

What’s the argument about atp I think you guys agree he doesn’t have it lmao

[inner marten]

You aren’t listening, the damn was important to the game because he didnt have cold fusion. Now that could fusion is back that’s what everyone wants, the dam is now irrelevant

[orchid crow]

I actually had this opinion as well until someone reminded me that lucy is high in that scene, but there are more goofy parts of the show that I dislike (flea soup being the worst offender)

[sly iron]

i dont get the flea soup thing

[oblique tulip]

Flea soup was funny

[silver narwhal]

No… you aren’t listening. Why is Vegas still a valuable setting if Hoover dam is irrelevant and not operational? Why would anybody live there?

[sly iron]

I must be an exception cause i didnt get the joke

[inner marten]

Because it’s a surprisingly intact city to live in

[oblique tulip]

It has walls

[uncut blaze]

that's where fisto is

[spark cloud]

The hoover dam can be repaired, and there's a LOT of tech in Vegas that can be repurposed

[silver narwhal]

you can’t live in a desert without food, water, and energy

[inner marten]

The water doesn’t stop existing just because the dam isn’t producing powere

[orchid crow]

it's just a bad joke, the fallout show has a number of just blatantly unfunny jokes in it, but I actually think they nailed humor in a serious scene this last episode with the helmet house was wearing being goofy when he goes "you think I'm crazy" but not undercutting or releasing the tension of the scene

[fierce arch]

He was saying Hoover Dam is important to the show, therefore, it needs to be mentioned, we were saying it's important to FNV's plot, but not the show.
Especially since the function of Cold Fusion is to give infinite power on a large and massive scale. He's saying that Vegas without Hoover Dam is a useless city, that no one needs to live there pretty much.

[inner marten]

Hoover dam is more important to California then it is to Vegas irl and in game

[sly iron]

Its was funny and yet felt serious not gonna lie XD
House clearly looks insane but we know he is not
He is just doing a good job at showing that he is crazy

[fierce arch]

I'd agree.

[silver narwhal]

bro…. Vegas literally relies on lake mead

[oblique tulip]

Pepole were living in Vegas for 80+ years without the dam

[sly iron]

Also love that they just kindly confirmed that the other house is indeed just a body double

[inner marten]

And the lake is still there

[orchid crow]

I don't think house is crazy, I think every single time he has been in a room with someone he has outpaced their intelligence and competence at almost every single turn

[inner marten]

The pump stations bring the water to Vegas not the hydro electric dam

[fierce arch]

Yeah, people forget this lorebit. lol

[spark cloud]

And we can pump water over long distances without much power. The Romans did it before electricity.

[silver narwhal]

because of the dam

[inner marten]

Yeah and it’s not like it exploded

[spark cloud]

No, because it's the Colorado river

[sly iron]

That the thing
He isnt carzy
But he sure as hell look insane from the outsider perseptective or someone who never played new vegas

[inner marten]

It doesn’t need to be active for the dam to keep the reservoir full

[fierce arch]

ahh yeah this is reminding me of the river debate and people saying the lake and rivers aren't connected. lol

[silver narwhal]

Somebody needs to control it.

[inner marten]

No they don’t lmao, it’s a concrete wall

[fierce arch]

No they don't. lol

[oblique tulip]

The dam wasent being controlled for 120+ years

[orchid crow]

I think he looks crazy to other characters in the show, I think the average viewer is taught to think he is very competent regardless of having played the games

[silver narwhal]

you need power to purify water

you need power to run lake meads infrastructure

[oblique tulip]

You don't

[spark cloud]

What the fuck are you talking about man

[inner marten]

Lmao it isn’t purified at the dam and the water is palatable even without purification

[silver narwhal]

Using Hoover dams infrastructure yes…. You do

[midnight kiln]

lmao

Cooper: here's some money to go fix your drug addiction :) imma go get myself wasted while you do that

[spark cloud]

Lake Mead isn't even that contaminated.

[oblique tulip]

You never said that

[fierce arch]

Bro watching one video on Lake mead in FO lore and is now convinced lol

[inner marten]

You can drink from lake mead perfectly fine in game and irl

The wastelanders have drank worse and have small scale purification

[spark cloud]

Lake Mead is dirty but you can boil and distill water without a purifier

[midnight kiln]

lake mead… doesn't that have all those bitch mirelurk kings and an airplane

[spark cloud]

Purifiers are to clean nasty toxic water away from large reservoirs

[oblique tulip]

Lake mead water is ditry but it isn't east coast dirty

[silver narwhal]

you can’t boil radiation

[spark cloud]

Water is big.

[fierce arch]

yeah, it's dirty, but not contaminated. You just have to properly boil water, like wastelanders have been doing for 100s of years.

[oblique tulip]

It dosent have radiation in it

[fierce arch]

it's not irradiated. Wtf are you talking about