EPISODE 6

[silk cape]

And not exploding

[shut kite]

I think they plan on chipping the Super Mutants that they'll turn the Vault Dwellers into

[silk cape]

I can see this

[slate walrus]

I can see that since they originally wanted fev to make super soldiers

[tidal kraken]

I'm of this belief, too.

[shut kite]

Plan was an army of obedient super-~~managers ~~ mutants who had been bred and conditioned to be ideal FEV subjects, a failure due to Bud Askins death. Hank proposes a solution to that with the chips which is what gets him the promotion he's after

[silk cape]

Oh god what if the intention is to mass produce frank horrigans

Not the individual but the idea of cyborg mutants

[slate walrus]

Hope so

[shut kite]

Yeah my thoughts exactly, Its also a funny contrast with the utterly unoffensive Vault Dwellers becoming mutant super soldiers

[slate walrus]

So maybe hank is working on mind control with fev in mind given he likely knows about phase 2 and thst his box he brought into the vault might be fev

[silk cape]

I don’t think hank had fev

[shut kite]

I don't think Hank would send Lucy back to Vault 33 if he thought that was the goal

[royal temple]

yeah but what would be the purpose of having it be used on dogs

[silk cape]

Well if they breeding dogs for security any how

[urban spade]

Imagine hank has mr house in the box

[coarse ivy]

Dogs are deadly as fuck

[shut kite]

I think Bud's Buds will contact the Enclave and tell them Phase 2 is a bust because Bud is dead, Hank then gets in contact and proposes using the chips as a solution.

[coarse ivy]

Mid controlled dogs with perfect tactics are scary

[slate walrus]

Hmm so hank might not have known about phase 2?

[royal temple]

why do they need to be mind controlled and not just trained?

[tidal kraken]

using them to flank an enemy too, holy shit.

[silk cape]

Look at dogmeat for the answer there

[wicked nimbus]

They can do anything you want and they can find shit more effectively when being told what specifically to find

[coarse ivy]

You can’t specify targets as easy as remote control

[shut kite]

I think he knows vaguely about it, but remember that what Ronnie knows is just what he overheard Bud tell the investors

[slate walrus]

Probably also just more efficient

[coarse ivy]

And much longer range then audible commands

Also a mind control dog won’t bark ever to give up a location

[silk cape]

Ronnie is likely playing coy

[coarse ivy]

A mind control dog won’t turn on you cause it’s starving

[tidal kraken]

Because mind-control eliminates the margin of error, or potential disobedience, and keeps them completely loyal no matter what. Idk where people get this mindset that dogs can be 100% obedient 24/7, they're still animals at the end of the day. Them being super efficient is what the Enclave wants.

[coarse ivy]

It won’t bite you by accident because it’s hurt

[silk cape]

Won’t crawl under a gate when faced with a deathclaw

[wicked nimbus]

The thing I like abt all the episodes not coming out at once is being able to come here and talk abt it

[coarse ivy]

It won’t get scared of gun fire

[royal temple]

Why were they training the dogs

[silk cape]

Command testing

[tidal kraken]

To probably use them in battle, or tactics, or for command testing?

[wicked nimbus]

Like each week I’m gonna miss it I’m ngl make the bus ride home enjoyable

[coarse ivy]

Training them in case of device failure

[slate walrus]

This also explains why the enclave had a super mutant in s1

[silk cape]

Also dogmeat is the perfect case study for why they want to control the dogs-she gives no fucks

[slate walrus]

One thing I wonder tho is why dont they just recreate the fev genocide virus they had in f2

[silk cape]

They did it twice

[wicked nimbus]

It’s not rlly ethical and it’s already failed

[silk cape]

Twice

[wicked nimbus]

Does the one at raven rock rlly count tho

[silk cape]

Yes

[shut kite]

Too few numbers, or their own people have been living in the Wasteland for generations now and are now just as mutated as the average wasterlander

[slate walrus]

Ethical, this is the enclave were talking about

[wicked nimbus]

It wasn’t air born

[coarse ivy]

They could have also realize they are dumb as fuck and it would kill anyone that accidentally gets cancer once which is everyone

[wicked nimbus]

In the congressional bunker ethics had to do with everything it’s the reason the bunker failed

[slate walrus]

Fair I suppose if were running eith this enclave being made of prewar cryogened people their methods will differ from say the oil rig who were all descendants

[silk cape]

Depends how many are and who is a descendant

[slate walrus]

Yeah unknown

[silk cape]

We only know wilzig

And that their soldiers resmeble the ones outside lucky 38

[royal temple]

how did hank get the chip working on the "patrolling the mojave" guy, without leaving the vault?

[wicked nimbus]

Wdym outside lucky 38

[silk cape]

When the senator is thrown out

[royal temple]

they're talking about the military police

[silk cape]

He did

[wicked nimbus]

Oh

[velvet quail]

Basically this discord when you think a out it

[royal temple]

is it implied that he ever left the vault?

[silk cape]

Yes he left to get lucy and norm

[midnight lily]

On everyone’s souls we are so hyped to see the resolution of the inbreeding group subplot

[snow lark]

not many hours untill Derek guys

[velvet quail]

No joke I fully believe they're becoming super mutants or at least something mutant

[lapis knot]

You don’t know the half of it

[royal temple]

derek is going to make an annunciation

[lapis knot]

The tng warp core is the motion picture warp core set

As is voyagers.

[coarse ivy]

These are also military police

[silk cape]

Yes but the enclave in other forms had developed its own uniforms etc

[lapis knot]

The battle bridge in tng is one of the tmp movie bridge versions, whichever was active during the start of tng

[royal temple]

how did hank even get the chip working on the guy

[lapis knot]

The script writers would have to actively write in new areas to actually get new sets or more sets.

[small canopy]

I’m just trying to live in a room that looks like the bedrooms on DS9 okay

[silk cape]

The chips seem to break if you fight them, he likely picked someone mentally broken

[small canopy]

Complete with highly inefficient space window

[shut kite]

The devices work for singular orders, what Hank did was make them completely change a person

[tidal kraken]

Same way Hank got it working on the Son he kidnapped, I imagine.

[lapis knot]

The snake oil salesman was ready to kill himself in s1

[silk cape]

Also the element of resisting seems to be an issue

[lapis knot]

He was ready and willing to forget everything up to that point

[royal temple]

im talking about the guy that brought the nuke to shady sands

[small canopy]

Vaults wouldn’t be so bad if you actually had like viewscreens with satellite imagery or something

[silk cape]

Yes he was broken so likely did not fight

[small canopy]

Maybe someone made him fuck that chicken at gunpoint 💀

[silk cape]

Even the workers house used it on tried to fight the influence

[coarse ivy]

I just went and counted and the the support group has less then 10 mins of screen time over 6 hours of show

[lapis knot]

It seems like the people it works on are those who are allready on the brink of ending it all

Or mentally not there anymore like the ncr ranger

[silk cape]

And hank is trying to fully reprogram people which most would resist

Hence the mind wipe needed

[royal temple]

i mean it worked on the legionary

[lapis knot]

Yeah, someone who lost his messiah

[silk cape]

His new version wipes the mind first

[lapis knot]

The legions members probably went into a mental breakdown after ceasar died. Or a massive loss

Or they realized the whole thing was a sham and wanted a new life

[silk cape]

Possibly but i think its more a case of mind wipe then new personality

[lapis knot]

Mind wipe is a new life

[silk cape]

Where as before hank was putting the new personality on top of the old

[lapis knot]

You forget everything except how to breathe and speak. Personality isn’t entirely memory.

So a mind wipe can keep elements of the personality. While removing all memory

[silk cape]

Yes but his old versions i think created conflict

[coarse ivy]

Yeah the original strategy for the chip was having them fight against the commands, this completely removes their ability to do that meaning no head explosions

[royal temple]

aren't the head explosions intentional?

[lapis knot]

I feel like it’s not even a mind wipe. More selective wiping

If you remove stuff associated with resistance that may be enough.

[coarse ivy]

No

[silk cape]

No its a side effect as the mind resists

[lapis knot]

You kinda want them to keep being functional as an adult, which a mind wipe wouldn’t

[tidal kraken]

No

[royal temple]

i assumed it was there as a failsafe

[coarse ivy]

I mean, maybe but it didn’t seem implied to be intentional

[silk cape]

Nah watch how house reacted to it, was unintentional

[coarse ivy]

Their eyes and shit start bleeding first

It’s clearly a build up of heat or pressure from the device trying to force the command

[silk cape]

I wonder how many people from cryo hank killed

[velvet quail]

Probably around 6.. or 7..

[silk cape]

That facility was large

[velvet quail]

That's what I was thinking. Uncle Rico when we saw him first was a broken man. He still worked as a ranger but he looked like he was already over it.

But I think it's just him having perfected or mostly perfecting it

[lapis knot]

Nukatini is now canon

[velvet quail]

This reminds me if Nuka-Cola Black

[elder sparrow]

Guys can somone tell me what that blue trinket was that she extracted from his neck? It was shiny and blue

[outer trench]

Cold fusion

[velvet quail]

Look all I'm saying is extract cold fusion from my neck

Maybe hank wants it back because he doesn't feel complete

[abstract spoke]

pretty much. Eventually causes some an intense build up that makes the skull fracture violently. Sound wave maybe.

[silk cape]

I wonder why its safe to inject

[lost meadow]

1hr and some change left

[edgy root]

cause it really doesn't seem to do much until it's in its little machine

[tidal kraken]

it's probably WHERE it injects too, that's safe. lol

[pearl marsh]

I’m watching episode 6 right now but I gotta wonder how the hell does mr house’s double never have a problem with the stuff he has to say or hear

[tidal kraken]

Because he enjoys the lifestyle, probably?

And gets paid super well.

[pearl marsh]

What does he think is gonna happen when the bombs drop?

[tidal kraken]

No clue tbh, i don't think it's that deep.

[pearl marsh]

I imagine house just promised him a vault

Or bunker, or he just told him his plan to shoot down the missiles so he’s assuming he’ll survive too

[floral yew]

Mr House double's ancestors were the first people he contacted after real Mr House woke up from his slumber after the Great War and his conscious became Victor the securitron

now shut up and buy Fallout 5

[silk cape]

My theory was we was on his way to or from sunnyvale when the bombs hit since house was off by a day

[prisma stream]

So this is before the events of 3?

Because the enclave were near wiped out in 3

[coarse ivy]

No this is after 4

[prisma stream]

So it is before 3 and new vegas

[high shuttle]

It's after 4

This is 2296

[prisma stream]

Ok so the enclave are wiped out then right?

Or the events of 3 NEVER.FUCKING.HAPPENED in the show

[coarse ivy]

No even by fallout 3 they weren’t wiped out

They have always had numerous bases across America

[prisma stream]

Nah fuck that im with the group that thinks its before new vegas

Honestly I get the rage if it isnt

[coarse ivy]

You are with the group that doesn’t think

[prisma stream]

So are you

Which ending was new vegas then? Because it wasnt any in the game

[coarse ivy]

I’m not sure if you are just back to rage bait about this same topic or mentally unwell but either way have fun

[tidal kraken]

You are severely incorrect.

[tidal kraken]

It was one they crafted of their own, they already said before the season aired they're not picking an ending to stick with. It was gonna be ambiguous.

[prisma stream]

Ah the beauty of blocking i see what I want to see sorry dude

[outer trench]

The show takes place in the same universe as the games

[prisma stream]

I know

[tidal kraken]

Also I don't understand how and why people keep thing the Enclave in 3 is the only Enclave in existence. Lmfao

[tidal kraken]

People are wild, they can have shit answered for them and still be in denial.

[tidal kraken]

Me when I lie

[coarse ivy]

lol

[tidal kraken]

Dude is actually living in fantasy land. Imagine assuming you know better than the devs, and directors of the franchise when they've laid out a timeline, plain and clear - and still saying they're wrong. lol

[coarse ivy]

It’s more the audacity to think they have the authority to define truth

[hasty ether]

They take visuals as the only meaningful peace of lore and don't listen to any of the dialogue, holotapes, notes, etc. or use deductive reasoning

Or if you're just lazy like 80% of people, just read the wiki and check the source

[tidal kraken]

Yeah it's the logic going out the fucking window - the faction that was formerly the deepstate, known for being embedded anywhere and everywhere, having massive contingencies. Automatically gone because the same sect of them from FO2, that rebounded in FO3 died - and suddenly the entire faction is gone? Smh.

[hasty ether]

None, the show doesn't say anything about which ending. And just because we aren't shown one doesn't mean any of them didn't happen. It's been 15 years, things change.

[tidal kraken]

Don't let them know, this is the same dude that couldn't handle the Director of the franchise telling him he's wrong about the dates.
Bro was trying to say the TV show took place before FNV.