EPISODE 7

[atomic cedar]

The legion in the show is exactly what the game said they would be

Without Caesar the legion fell to infighting

But they're still one of the main factions of the west

The BoS is struggling with them

[median tulip]

I don't disagree with the way the legion was directly portrayed... they just couldve sold their existence better. To anybody watching they just seem like a bunch of evil douchebags who fight for their own enslavement because theyre all stupid dorks.

[limber egret]

That's the Legion without Caesar

[atomic cedar]

Kevinus was shown to be pretty level headed

[median tulip]

IMO I think the legion without ceasar wouldnt even be a legion.. theyd all revert back to tribal form

[limber egret]

Lacerta is basically a composite of Lanius and Vulpes, Lanius's rank but he has closer to Vulpes in mannerisms

[limber egret]

I don't think so, everyone in the Legion was a tribal who was young enough to be indoctrinated into the Legion, for everyone except Caesar (and Graham) the Legion was the only real culture or society they would have known

[vivid ferry]

One of the dumbest things I've heard people refer to the Legion, is that apparently Caesar "isn't smart". Another thing I've heard is that apparently Lanius is SMARTER than fucking Caesar.

[atomic cedar]

Again it boils down to people incapable of accepting that their ideological enemies aren't complete idiots

[median tulip]

I'm not saying they'd lose their cultural influence from the legion.. I just dont think theyd be a large organized force

[atomic cedar]

The Legion stood strong 💪

[vivid ferry]

||Quick switch.||

The real chads of the wasteland are the Enclave

[median tulip]

Kevinus shouldve been Ceasar from the start. A character like him makes the most sense to keep order. The other Ceasars have obviously been set up for death but... I find it hard to believe that people would rally around those two

[atomic cedar]

They need to show him as humble

He didn't take the throne he earns it

[median tulip]

despite only having like 10 minutes of screen time I think Culkin killed that role

[atomic cedar]

I do think they're setting up the Legion for Fallout 5

Same with other factions

[median tulip]

theyre 100% going to lose the battle in vegas.. I see that from the start

[atomic cedar]

I don't think the legion is going to be eradicated

[median tulip]

only if Kevinus survives

[atomic cedar]

I don't see them killing off the next Caesar the episode he's crowned

[limber egret]

Yeah Lacerta could lose and be forced to flee

[median tulip]

is that his actual name? I like Kevinus better

[lilac dock]

id like to keep kevin for next season his performance has been really good

[limber egret]

He's called Lacerta Legate in the credits

Could be a title? like how Graham was the Malpais Legate

[atomic cedar]

It's a rank

[limber egret]

Meant if the Lacerta part was a nickname or his actual name

the order would suggest its a title

[lilac dock]

its latin for lizard legate apparently

[sterile coral]

Wonder if that has any secret meaning.

[limber egret]

Probably just a Vulpes references, his name was latin for Fox

[lilac dock]

they just gave lanius the coolest one lol everyone else just gets an animals name

[limber egret]

Speaking of names I think Diane Welch's name probably implies she was knowingly deceiving Cooper. Welch means to avoid doing something i.e. "Welching on a deal"

[sterile coral]

Eh, she struck me as more of a 'controlled opposition' kinda person. Genuine, but otherwise harmless and even useful under the right circumstances.

[lilac dock]

i keep forgetting her character actually has a name

[atomic cedar]

Her head being showing up in the vault pretty much answers that the enclave is behind everything

Aside from the narrative screaming that it's the enclave

The only real question is where are they

[lilac dock]

im curious about the president because im assuming him being given a famous actor is a cameo since i dont see him having a post war role

given he lived and died on the oil rig

then again i dont really know how he would pop up in any more prewar scenes either? (im assuming cooper is getting blacklisted like next episode)

[urban mantle]

Technically we don't know for certain where he died although it would be very weird if he didn't die on the oil rig

[lilac dock]

yeah its why this willzig character throws me off so much because the idea of there being cryo-frezed pre war enclave members is quite different from the oil rig enclave of descendants perpetuating a long since dead agenda (if the willzig character is supposed to be the same but with vault tec having cryo frez i dont see why the enclave couldnt)

[icy turtle]

They have facilities everywhere, even since FO2, we haven't explored 90% of them. So they could be in any one of those, or 76 has canonized and added more facilities. I imagine the facility from S1 is up north somewhere between the East and West Wastelands.

[icy turtle]

The oil rig descendants were just the ones that went with the president, though.

There probably was a bunch of other enclave members that went to other places.

[sudden sand]

Fusion core , but yes

[vernal reef]

You'd have a better time asking where AREN'T they
They probably have more Oil rigs kicking about in the sea they're the remnants of the most corrupt parts of the US government they're like roaches they don't die

[lilac dock]

definitely true but i just mean more generally if they fled anywhere and they didnt cryo freeze they would ultimately end up quite different to the cryo frezed members who are just waking up in the 2290s

[sudden sand]

I’d hazard a guess he took a few fusion cores off the knights he killed in the finale for future use just in case

[atomic cedar]

The problem is they aren't at the vault unless Hank really is an enclave triple agent

[lilac dock]

but yeah im wondering where the plot will go - will the prewar enclave leaders presume control over all the surviving enclave descendants or will the show just focus on one singular enclave group

[sudden sand]

Or potentially from the car that blew

[atomic cedar]

We know welsch is directly connected to Enclave
Her head is in the vault
Nobody else is there except some cryopod vault tech people and Hank

[lilac dock]

id argue she was more just manipulated into helping the enclave much like cooper was (hence why she ends up as a vault tec head)

[atomic cedar]

Whether she worked with them or was used by them she is directly connected to the enclave one way or another

[vernal reef]

There could be parts of the facility that even hank isn't allowed to go into which would then lead nicely into a good old "wassup who's ready to be naz- oh.. Oh they're all dead.... No matter get me my gestapo coat"

The enclave are basically nazis
Their whole thing is racial supremacy

[atomic cedar]

Once again the theory that Hank was contacting Enclave is possible

[vernal reef]

That is very possible and one i am not ruling out
He's a little fucking weasel

I can entirely see him talking to an enclave member
Who else is it gonna be house??? He's a tad insane in the membrane and stuff but if he well and truly assumed vault tech would likely drop the bomb he wouldn't talk to hank after it all or before it all

Not unless he knew he had cold fusion and even then that's a snatch, kill, steal the loot and burn the body job

[limber egret]

I think Hank was affiliated with the Enclave pre-war but wasn't operating under their instructions when he nuked Shady Sands

[icy turtle]

Yeah, I've mentioned that the shady sands nuking was literally because of his wife. Had his wife not been there, it wouldn't have gotten nuked.

He just justified his actions, using Vault tec's policies/rules.

[limber egret]

I think he does sincerely believe in the whole "nobody but us should be allowed to exist" stuff

[lilac dock]

i dont know what is the worse excuse for killing 33,000 people: i hate my wife or high taxes

[icy turtle]

Yes, but it's both. Rather than one over the other.

[sterile coral]

Still, what exactly was Hank's backup plan if his 'mind-controlled fella brings a Brahmin cart containing a nuke into the heart of Shady Sands' plan went awry?

[icy turtle]

Dunno if he had one.

He seemed desperate enough to focus on the mind-control device, i think he was banking on it entirely given his interest in the pre-war flashback.

[sterile coral]

Though, would the NCR have been able to even figure out who was behind the attempt? Not like a chip on the back of someone's head could give much in the way of clues, and that nuke could've been sourced from damn near anywhere.

[atomic cedar]

Meme detected, mods send him into the abyss

[real scroll]

Hilarious

[dusty thunder]

@velvet cobalt deleted for rule 2

[ashen sapphire]

jesus

[atomic cedar]

Crazy leak

[nimble anvil]

Hopefully, Claudia is still alive

[sudden sand]

Try try again

[heavy gorge]

I hope whats-his-face got the short end of the stick in that

[sudden sand]

We know the rad roach farm got loose , that’s probably the outcome of it

[ashen sapphire]

how are the roaches all dead though?

[sudden sand]

Afterall these are dumbass executive assistants ie coffee boys

[nimble anvil]

How tf did a radroach use a screwdriver

[sudden sand]

How did a rad roach freakin exist

[nimble anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/tevoyarajar-gif-21020150

[sudden sand]

But no, I think likely there will be turncoats same as Claudia, and they’ll take advantage of it

[paper junco]

agreed but also...isn't she ||on the floor covered by a radroach in the pic lol ||

[ashen sapphire]

could be someone else

[heavy gorge]

Balada triste de trompeeeeetaaaaa 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[paper junco]

Hopefully 😅

[olive silo]

D'you have any more pics ?

[ashen sapphire]

i got it from reddit im not sure where they got it from, the official fallout account posted a video on instagram but that one was vertical, so i assume its just on another platform

[olive silo]

Wonder if the next episode will be longer than normal

[ashen sapphire]

its supposed to be an hour and 15

[sudden sand]

Including credits. So more like 1 hour 5

[ashen sapphire]

yeah still like 20ish minutes more than regular episodes

[manic bough]

how did mr house stay alive without the cold fusion?

[leaden furnace]

He had a nuclear reactor in the Lucky 38

[atomic cedar]

Kept his body in psuedo stasis

[manic bough]

ahh did they say that anywhere

i was so confused especially cus i first thought the courier had already come in and killed him 😭

way the office was messed up

[atomic cedar]

It is possible he started the process of digitizing himself before the courier killed him but it needed cold fusion to complete

[manic bough]

since hes in the show now that means that theres a canon ending to new vegas

[leaden furnace]

It’s only info in NV. When the bombs fell he defended the Mojave from the majority of the bombs, but not having the platinum chip upgrade caused his system to crash catastrophically and his reactor started to melt. He barely fixed the issue but it put him into a coma for hundreds of years.

[atomic cedar]

Technically there's still no canon ending

[leaden furnace]

Which is why he needs the Dam as of NV

[atomic cedar]

Any of the endings could be canon

Caesar could have been cured of his tumor and still randomly get killed

[manic bough]

speaking of endings im doing my first playthrough of nv rn which should i go

[atomic cedar]

Whichever one you want

Play it blind

[manic bough]

im thinking about doing ncr cus its probably the canon ending

[lilac dock]

best way to do it is to see who you vibe with on your playthrough, who provides the most convincing arguement, and then join them

[manic bough]

or because i think ncr is cool

[atomic cedar]

Again any of the endings could be canon

Season finale may change this but as of now we can guess any of the endings are canon with the exception of killing House

[manic bough]

does house need to be alive for the computer to work? or does he ai himself

[lilac dock]

ive seen arguements both ways for whether house is actually alive or not in the tv show post war

[leaden furnace]

We don’t really know how the AI transference process works, just that he needs cold fusion to realize it.

[manic bough]

ahhh

[high laurel]

Bro died to lvl1 radroaches

L tor them

[median tulip]

where did you find this

[atomic cedar]

We know that House in NV is House as his body is there but we will likely learn if this is House, digitized consciousness House, or AI House in the finale

[frigid summit]

probs ep 8 trailer

[visual echo]

Hope Claudia survived

[visual echo]

Na House is like welch

His head is the processor for the L38 systems but instead of having no control over it he has full control

[atomic cedar]

Yes it's him controlling

Not an ai copy

[visual echo]

Ya the real house

[glass rune]

so thaddeus centuar or unique fev mutant

[icy turtle]

Unique FEV mutant unless they do some weird stuff revolving the Centaur lore.

[high laurel]

Twitter, its all over the place

[sterile coral]

Maybe he joins up with that super mutant’s group at some point?

[icy turtle]

I would like that - I posted, a big what if - if Thaddeus retains his mental faculties. He'd probably be something like this. lol

[ornate iris]

https://tenor.com/view/the-master-fallout-fallout1-gif-25672301

thaddeus is gonna have to eat alot of rats

[prisma totem]

Well well well

The House always wins, I suppose

[leaden furnace]

The Master will be reincarnated via Thaddeus and take down the Enclave once and for all

[real scroll]

thats gonna be awkward going back to his child slave force

[atomic cedar]

Thaddeus will probably join the new mutant faction

[sterile coral]

Maybe they’ll reuse the Unity name for said faction?

[modern orbit]

Unity never died

https://tenor.com/view/top-gun-top-gun-maverick-salute-tom-cruise-military-gif-26899454

[deft wasp]

The master 2

[deft wasp]

YEAAAAA

The enclave is gonna be in for a surprise when thaddeus, new master of the unity, comes along

[modern orbit]

This whole time… unity was just rearming.

[ashen sapphire]

im predicting thaddeus wasnt given FEV at all

[real scroll]

Considering the controversy of the game engine a few years ago people wish it did

[modern orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-wars-gif-23992818

[ashen sapphire]

the rest of the FEV plot seems a lot more serious than what they're doing with thaddeus

[real scroll]

Nah man Thaddeus would be the perfect way to introduce and pivot the narrative to the FEV War

[sterile coral]

A new Unity popping off would be one way to introduce newcomers to super mutants properly; could even throw in references to the Master for good measure.

[real scroll]

Yeah

You think there's gonna be a flashback to the original Master and his defeat

Maybe even in a different style like an illustrated or animated portion

[icy turtle]

I would rather have a mutant faction united by their common struggles than unity 2.0

[sterile coral]

Plus, having friendly super mutants around would be useful for whenever the Enclave make their move for round three.

[modern orbit]

nah those fuckers better be evil

I hope they try and dip lucy or something in the vats for sport

[rapid wigeon]

God Bless the Enclave

[frigid summit]

https://tenor.com/view/enclave-fallout1-fallout2-fallout3-fallout4-gif-25785951

[vivid ferry]

God Bless America.

https://klipy.com/gifs/enclave-watching

[sleek anvil]

LONG LIVE THE ENCLAVE

[sterile coral]

Fellas who couldn’t stop a tribal and fresh out of the Vault teenager really think they got that dog in them.

[modern orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout2-fallout-fallout-idle-power-armor-gif-27531431

[urban mantle]

I wonder if they have a team of people walking around in NCR uniforms on set to throw off leakers

[paper junco]

That would be funny as hell

They should hire lookalikes for like, Nate and Maxson and a bunch of ‘wtf’ are they doing here characters

[leaden furnace]

The lost battalion was actually just a red herring to troll us

House will ally himself with the deathclaws to win Vegas back from the Legion trust

[high laurel]

Cooper was really the man who sold the world...

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-the-ghoul-shocked-surprised-cooper-howard-gif-18416825303248051621

[leaden furnace]

This is absolutely confirmed to be LA in Fallout right?

First scene of the show

[high laurel]

yeah

[leaden furnace]

Okay yeah seems like it, news reporter talks about LA weather which matches up with the scene and wiki says it’s meant to be Hollywood Hills

No more cope about Shady not being in LA then. Can clearly see the same buildings in both shots.

In particular that building with the ball structure at the top

[paper junco]

Yes, Shady Sands is near LA now

They actually had that group of buildings just offscreen in a lot of those shots too if you look at the VFX breakdown. They’ve been surprisingly consistent in putting it over there lol

[leaden furnace]

Ik, I’ve seen people try to argue that it isn’t and Max/Lucy took a detour to a city further north though

To avoid just saying it’s a retcon

[paper cradle]

The Ghoul bringing back Mr. House got my face in awe

[glass rune]

tbh itd make sense that if house was running on back up power hed eventually lose control of the securatrons

[high laurel]

I’m starting to wonder why the hell Cooper Howard didn’t hand the cold fusion to Lee Moldaver.
Instead this dumbass gave it to the U.S. President and basically nuked the future for everyone.

[small flicker]

because he was a red blooded american war vet who idolized the commander in chief who he thought would stand the best chance against the biggest company in the world?

[leaden furnace]

He’s a MORON

That’s why

[high laurel]

Take a wild guess how badly that went.

[leaden furnace]

I do find it funny that no one really suspects any deep state government influence at play, not even House.

I guess the rationale is that all of these corporations believe that they own the government and not vice versa

So it’s something they can’t fathom

But eh, I mean who the fuck do you think it is? House rules out everyone at the meeting lol.

[high laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/enclave-fallout2-vault13-fallout-gif-25815306

[modern orbit]

he thought the president was the good guy, dude fought in the marines during the war and has grown up in a hyper-American culture in hollywood

you see at multiple points where this American indoctrination is challenged, its why he was so reluctant to work with moldaver in the first place

He also thought that vault tec and house were the ones planning to destroy the world

it was all just a political manuever, the enclave knows what they're doing IE: the congresswoman who was strategically placed as a form of sympathy bait for cooper to help

and plus moldaver seemed untrustworthy as all get out the whole time, she didn't exactly do a good job at reeling coop in

[paper cradle]

I thought that vault text was planning to destroy the world too, I can’t blame him

[sleek anvil]

Crazy to think thats our pip boy

[rapid wigeon]

What if Cooper was secretly an Enclave member all along 🫡

[crimson summit]

“SpongeBob me boy, I sold me country for Cold Fusion!”

[inner pollen]

that explains his lovely personality

[high laurel]

Oh no, not me

We never lost control
You're face to face
With the man who sold the world

[wheat lodge]

President Rhombus is goated

[high laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-gif-26300412

[sleek anvil]

Mr krabs always wins

[rapid wigeon]

Mr Krab needs you to remember Raven Rock 🫵

[sleek anvil]

Streets are saying maximus will join the ncr

[leaden furnace]

Maximus… the second coming of Tandi

[sudden sand]

so it begins

and yes, i am modellign the ncr ranger armour in high poly as accurate to the show as i can. and i may make it a mod if i can find someone to help me with that

if i can figure out how the armour should open up anyway

[dusty thunder]

@crimson summit deleted your image for rule 2

[sleek anvil]

He maybe the new president

I still dont think we will see ncr main stronghold this season

Or ron pearl super muty again till s3

[paper cradle]

True…

[storm delta]

@fresh drum removed your post for #rules 2. No meme videos.

!mute 962371336745943080 1h User has broken rule 2 multiple times.

[cobalt dove]

orateur muted pigeon912 for 1 hour. Reason: User has broken rule 2 multiple times.

[heavy gorge]

It possibly was the case in S1, when the show was released in full and the lore canonicity of it was questionable until reception was made clear
With S2? I really start to have my doubts as to whether or not this is still the case, really
We already have mention of the Boneyard, for example

[feral cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/remember-what-i-told-you-professor-brinkerhoff-clancy-brown-gen-v-remember-what-i-said-gif-18422000123162840817

[median spindle]

why is the hoover dam snowglobe in the lucky 38?

[sudden sand]

Becuase house got his snow globes

[sudden sand]

Spongecoop me bob. Ye found me secret cold fusion diode

[ornate iris]

thats what im sayiiiing

i 100% think he's gonna become some goop monster or atleast his own unique mutation like Harold

[acoustic stream]

hmm the more i watch those videos about Woody being potentially alive the more i believe it

[lusty ingot]

Courier did the snowglobes

[north wharf]

are you insisting that the courier didnt go out of his way to collect snowglobes?
do you realise how very greedy every new vegas player is?

we will rob anyone for an extra cap if we must
heck, while @lusty ingot was looking away
i stole his gold that he took from the vaults

[last ruin]

Tbf we haven't seen a body. He may be the rest subject for a super mutant injection

[upper hill]

In episode 7 how is she wearing houses helmet if that keeps him alive

[lusty ingot]

Rule 1 of storytelling no body = alive

[north wharf]

rule 2 of storytelling
no body = unknown

rule 3 of storytelling
body = sometimes revived

rule 4 of storytelling
i run out

[feral cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-12562132281799812492

@sudden sand Mr. Krabs is so respectable

[sullen latch]

what if Episode 7 ended with Yes Man showing up like "Hiya there, chum!"

[glass rune]

i hope thadeus is about to die via a death claw

but it just dies as a single gun shot can be heard and the mysterious stranger theme can be heard

[acoustic stream]

some people even started believing the courier was who ghoul was talking about when they found that NCR armor

which is not the case obviously lol

[sterile coral]

I mean, it's understandable for them to think as much.

[glass rune]

i did too but was corrected

I mean the courier did break all of new vegas rules

even the rules of nature by surviving that head shot

[north wharf]

Fallout new vegas fans go to bethesada and burn it down after hearing it

[magic wave]

Can’t wait to see new vegas be the home to the New New Californian Republic

[candid rose]

New Nevada Republic

[maiden sedge]

Idk why people hate this I think it’d be hilarious

[old forum]

Thaddeus lost his arm lol

[north wharf]

yes

[cobalt phoenix]

nuh uh

he still has it

[real scroll]

Its green clearly that means he's gonna regrow a new super mutant arm

like Piccolo

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-regeneration-namekuseijin-dragon-ball-z-gif-18637936

[lost stream]

Nah this gonna be him

[urban mantle]

that better not be his end

the one saving grace so far is that he does seem to actually be losing his nose whereas this centaur here evidently still has a sniffer

[limber egret]

I think a Harold-like Mutant is probably the answer.

[nimble anvil]

Fallout: Become Tree

[lost stream]

Whatever he is turning into i doubt we will know until next season at earliest

[lost stream]

That i would love to see

[wheat lodge]

Kinda funny that the Enclave president is basically Rhombus from Fallout 1 (the actor playing the president voiced Rhombus in Fallout 1, a brotherhood paladin)

[sleek anvil]

Ahhh its thaddeus

He deffo isnt a ghoul

Slim chance of super mutant but doesnt look like one

[icy turtle]

wheres the one dude that was swearing up and down Thaddeus is a ghoul

[olive silo]

Thaddeus can't be a centaur - they're made from a mix of humans and other animals dipped in FEV - Thaddeus hasn't been exposed to that

[olive silo]

Really hope he isn't a Harold 😭

[distant void]

Thaddeus will be some sort of mutant. Who TF knows.

Imo, most likely a single body Centaur of some sort.

[fallow gorge]

So like I don’t get it… is Diane Welch “bad”? I love her so much, I can’t really accept that she isn’t the sweet peach I’ve come to love

[gloomy basin]

Not anymore

[gloomy basin]

That actually got me poor bastard

[urban mantle]

She's probably good

[fallow gorge]

But that last scene kinda implies she is somewhat behind Vault-Tec right? Or am I misinterpreting this?

[gloomy basin]

Seems like she’s being duped by the Enclave the whole time

[urban mantle]

I think the current implication is that she was used and eventually killed by the enclave

[fallow gorge]

This is gonna sound ridiculous but I’m somewhat new to this, who is the Enclave?

[urban mantle]

There's a chance her decapitation is Hank's own doing it she was in cryostasis though

[urban mantle]

Uhh pre war government cabal that works towards the end of killing everyone who isn't them/under their control

[atomic cedar]

Main bad guys of Fallout

[fallow gorge]

But “used” so like they took advantage of her? She really is too pure for this world

[fallow gorge]

Aight I see… damn, poor congresswoman Welch
Isn’t she government tho?

[urban mantle]

I mean we know the president was enclave pre war

[fallow gorge]

Vault-Tec is not main bad guys then right?

[nimble anvil]

Pretty much the remnants of the U.S. government and military.

They're very patriotic

[fallow gorge]

Damn so he was the one to hurt Welch

[atomic cedar]

Vault tech was never the bad guys they just were another cog in the machine

[fallow gorge]

I thought Vault-Tec was patriotic and stuff

[urban mantle]

It was a pretty small group of people who actually had the whole picture and their trusted/loyal staff who could be considered 'the enclave' pre-war, most government agents were at most assets

[atomic cedar]

Mainly because they're all dead

[fallow gorge]

I like them, always did

[candid rose]

what changed

[urban mantle]

Senators and bureaucrats who weren't in the know were either left to figure out their own contingency or killed when the war happened

[atomic cedar]

Vault tech is responsible for all the evil vault experiments but that's about it

[gloomy basin]

Stats got reworked putting T-60 above in everything but cryo resistance and on par in energy

[fallow gorge]

So it’s safe to say congresswoman Welch was good all along but got tricked and used for bad things
I really can’t accept her being evil, am I the only one glossing over her?

[urban mantle]

This is the most likely course of events

There is a chance that she was an enclave agent or something but I doubt it

[gloomy basin]

Bro has the NCR flair but doesn’t know the Enclave smh

[fallow gorge]

Nah she is 100% pure, if there’s someone completely good in all this it’s my glorious queen pookie Diane Welch

[atomic cedar]

She's obvious enclave plant

[fallow gorge]

Can’t be excellent at every aspect of my life 😅 it’s how it works

[atomic cedar]

Controlled opposition

[fallow gorge]

Wdym

[atomic cedar]

Like double agent

Gains the trust of dissentors so they can keep an eye on them/use them

[fallow gorge]

I say she isn’t, she’s the purest human being in the Fallout lore

[atomic cedar]

Her name is literally traitor

[fallow gorge]

Doubt it, besides those details can be mere coincidences

She might be part of Vault-Tec tho, that I can imagine
But still she’s way too pure, I think it’s one of those cases where she’s too innocent for a world that’s too ugly

And the Enclave dropped the bombs, is that it?

[halcyon silo]

Apparently coops choices caused it

Especially after giving the blue thingy to the president

[fallow gorge]

Poor Diane Welch, too good for this world #NeverForgotten

[halcyon silo]

Real

https://tenor.com/view/walton-goggins-cooper-howard-the-ghoul-fallout-fotv-gif-17970837045648198342

[fallow gorge]

Apparently there’s a new episode that’s dropped, in my country it’s only available this Wednesday on prime

Can’t wait to watch it

[halcyon silo]

Yeah it’s a premiere in cinemas I think

I heard that || it’s just teasers building up to season 3 ||

[fallow gorge]

Isn’t the current season season 3?

[halcyon silo]

No season 2

I thought season 3 tbh but nopeee

[fallow gorge]

Okok thanks for letting me know I’m not the only one who messed that up lol

[halcyon silo]

Yeah not the only one lmaoooo

[river forge]

So is the show just another universe or are they going to explain it in the last episode

[halcyon silo]

It’s a universe different to ours where they don’t invent the microchip so they’re at their technical limitations

[gloomy basin]

It’s game canon unfortunately

[river forge]

I think you read it wrong

[halcyon silo]

Maybe lol

U know google, the top bit is ai now 😭😭

[river forge]

I meant is it not in the game’s universe and instead a separate one

[gloomy basin]

No

[halcyon silo]

I think they’re same universe

[river forge]

Im guessing the president is part of the enclave

[halcyon silo]

Cuz remember when the salesman went to the house

[gloomy basin]

Yes Cooper goofed up

[halcyon silo]

And coop saw it

[fallow gorge]

Is the NCR still alive in the show tho?
Also I can’t really hate Hank McLean, he’s a nice dude but he did make some weird choices

[river forge]

We have no idea

[halcyon silo]

Where’s the actor from

[river forge]

But Caesar’s legion is so the NCR probably is too, hell they might even be at hoover dam still

[urban mantle]

In southern California and the Mojave they seem to have a very fractured and inconsistent presence

[fallow gorge]

They were at the Hoover dam?? That’s sick

[fallow gorge]

What’s the Mojave?

[river forge]

Im just guessing

[urban mantle]

We don't know what's going up in North California, there's a chance vault city and co are still a coherent nation

[fallow gorge]

Yeah yeah sure but thx for sharing that tho

[urban mantle]

Region surrounding Vegas, includes a bit of Nevada and California (and maybe some of Arizona I don't remember)

[fallow gorge]

What’s Vault city and co?

[river forge]

Hoover dam was one of their largest bases in the game and it was basically a fort so I find the idea they lots everything very difficult

[fallow gorge]

Okok thanks

[fallow gorge]

Yeah agree, and they have/had resources so I see no reason why they’d be gone

[urban mantle]

The NCR absorbed a number of communities in northern California after fallout 2, vault city is the most successful iirc (besides San Francisco which is its own situation)

[halcyon silo]

Can’t believe the president is mr krabs

[fallow gorge]

Never played fallout 2, that piece is missing in my puzzle perhaps
Pretty cool tho thanks

[fallow gorge]

Is coop sponge bob? 🪫🥀💔

[river forge]

Also I was laughing when a super mutant was trying to exposition dump to cooper and he was just like “not my problem”

[halcyon silo]

Maybe dude

Nah I think he’s plankton, finally gave up and gave formular

Oh wait wrong way round

[fallow gorge]

Yeah about that… is coop just going around with a piece of uranium inside him?

[fallow gorge]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking 😅

[river forge]

It’s very unstable so I think it would dissipate over time inside him

[halcyon silo]

Plankton got caught and had to give back

[urban mantle]

Hank is very manipulative overall, he knows just what to say to get on Lucy's good side but he's still kidnapping people, killing people, destroying communities, etc

[fallow gorge]

And he’s left with a rock inside him…?

[urban mantle]

The half life of uranium is very high

[river forge]

Im not very knowledgeable about half lives but I’m fairly certain the rock is just breaking down over time into radiation

[fallow gorge]

But in his vision it’s all justified and, in a sense, good

[gloomy basin]

I take it you’re a new fan from the show?

[river forge]

Not the kind you use to make energy

[urban mantle]

Maybe, but I don't think we can trust him to be honest about his intentions

[fallow gorge]

Im pretty sure its just the radioactive decay in action, the rock itself wont lose much mass

[river forge]

Or I don’t know, I failed chemistry

[urban mantle]

The low end is 150 thousand years

[fallow gorge]

Somewhat, I’ve played the games but I’ve only been around to see fallout 4 and 76

[halcyon silo]

I want a pip boy

[urban mantle]

I assumed they took it out, if they didn't that's just gonna be a passive thing going on in the ghoul's body

[river forge]

So the power armour in the show isn’t “NCR power armour” it’s power armour made by the NCR im guessing

[fallow gorge]

Sure maybe not, but I can’t label him as bad either, he’s not “Welch” kind of good but he’s not bad either

[gloomy basin]

Yet your flair is NCR which are not in 4 or 76…

[urban mantle]

He nuked a city because it wasn't a vault tec city

[real scroll]

Vault City was Vault 8, a control vault that worked perfectly and used their GECK to make a thriving society. Its probably the most sucessful vault story in history

[urban mantle]

I don't think it was even about his wife, his wife was just an acceptable casualty

[river forge]

Also was that supposed to be the congresswoman’s head on the table

[urban mantle]

Yes, I think

I didn't recognize her at first but I don't know who else it would be

[river forge]

That was horrifying lmao

[candid rose]

if you like ncr you should try fnv

[river forge]

NCR are in 76 you just have to pay £26 for them

All I know is the enclave and brotherhood will be very interested in the giant energy spike that just came from new vegas

[gloomy basin]

TRUE

[real scroll]

of course the government would immediatly pivot to stealing energy resources

[urban mantle]

The brotherhood is a bit paralyzed right now

Whatever the enclave is thinking it hasn't shown its hand yet

[river forge]

The commonwealth brotherhood

[gloomy basin]

Not Maxson

[real scroll]

They're kinda stuck in Avengers Civil War (2016)

[gloomy basin]

[urban mantle]

The Commonwealth brotherhood isn't marching across the continent into West coast chapter territory unscathed

[gloomy basin]

I mean yeah they can

[river forge]

They literally did that exact thing in fallout 4

[urban mantle]

Hard to say if it's even possible for them to get an intact force out to the Mojave

[gloomy basin]

What’s gonna stop them lol

[icy turtle]

not all government was in the Enclave, i think 100% confirmed is the entire cabinet, and above, but that's all. Senators, and Congress folk weren't all in the know.

[urban mantle]

They went from DC to boston

[icy turtle]

AFTER they have DC under their entire control. Lol

[river forge]

I don’t know American geography

[gloomy basin]

Yeah that’s still hundreds of miles passing skyscrapers occupied by Mutants

[urban mantle]

East Coast to higher up on the east coast iirc

[gloomy basin]

And you forget Xander flew that Vertibird there no problem

[urban mantle]

Wasteland between there and California is the biggest issue, the presence of other chapters in the region and the logistical issues of supplying that force also complicate matters

[icy turtle]

Not necessarily, it's more likely to assume that the dozens of Chapters Maxson has back East are at least working towards clearing that out.

[gloomy basin]

Nothing stopping the Prydwen just flying over there or another airship since the show gave the BoS an army of them

[median spindle]

Ik that in just wondering if theyll put more effort into this and make it a plot detail not just a reference

[urban mantle]

It's easy for 1 guy with two suits of power armor to work as a liaison, harder to get an intact expedition out there

[gloomy basin]

Not at the time of fallout 4

[icy turtle]

Yes as of Fallout 4. Maxson has united the East.

[gloomy basin]

The BoS flew directly from DC to Boston over enemy territory

[real scroll]

So does this mean that Maxson is all for killing ghoul kids right in front of him?

[river forge]

The other factions seemed to do it fine

[urban mantle]

Yes

[real scroll]

God dont show him Billy

[icy turtle]

probably

[gloomy basin]

No there’s literally a holotype on the Prydwen talking about cities occupied by mutants on the way there

[urban mantle]

The other BOS chapters we see are all located in or around California

[river forge]

He’s with the gunners

[icy turtle]

Yes, in the same breath, they literally talk about having territory and reach across the Eastern seaboard.

[gloomy basin]

Where. They say reach they do not say territory

[real scroll]

Y'know that implies that there's an FEV source by New York

[urban mantle]

There kinda is

It's right between the institute and vault 87

[gloomy basin]

All we can say by 4 is that they have DC and Adams airforce base under lock

[river forge]

Doesn’t the institute have jets? Or am I misremembering

[urban mantle]

Xander also implies that there's some situation on the east coast but we don't know remotely enough about that to say if that's true or noteworthy

[real scroll]

Fair enough I guess but thats still pretty widespread

I guess they also have some in Far Harbor somehow thats never explained

[gloomy basin]

Indeed. It was the East who told Quintus about the Enclave in the first place

[real scroll]

Fallout 5 moment

[icy turtle]

Given the fact he had two upgraded PA suits, I doubt it's in any sort of trouble.

[urban mantle]

He's in a unique role to be fair

[river forge]

I have 6 big deal

[urban mantle]

I wonder if Xander was coming from a little FOB or something

He didn't seem to have anything at all on the vertibird besides two suits of power armor

[icy turtle]

I doubt his role would require two, though if he's a liaison. If it was something more akin to a combat role specifically instead of liaising between chapters I'd agree.

[urban mantle]

Assuming he was sent to operate independently they could've sent a spare with him

I mean really we don't know what his situation was, they kinda brushed over a fair bit about him

[icy turtle]

whose to say if he's the only one, anyway lol

[gloomy basin]

So their influence comes from the Prydwen

So I don’t think anything stops them from just flying over

[urban mantle]

They could need to keep a large standing force on the east coast for some reason

[icy turtle]

I highly doubt, in any capacity, especially cause we know of other Chapters existing East, that the ONLY influence is the Prydwen.

[urban mantle]

Failing that I imagine they'd rather still leave it to the western chapters if at all possible

[icy turtle]

They already have their main force back in DC, which is where majority of them even come from and are recruited.

But they didn't leave DC until it was completely under Maxson's authority.

[gloomy basin]

This same terminal refers to the east coast BoS as entirely a DC thing.

Only other chapter we know of is the Virginia chapter 150 years before Fallout 3

[river forge]

Wait does the brotherhood canonically control Washington DC now?

[icy turtle]

Yes.

[river forge]

That’s crazy to think about

[urban mantle]

In 4 yeah, it sounds like they've repositioned by the show though

[gloomy basin]

Lyons couldn’t find the Chicago chapter and the Montana chapter mentioned certainly isn’t east coast.

Yeah the show seems to follow the logic of the Fallout 4 BoS ending

[icy turtle]

Oh yeah by the show's timeline, it's been 9 years so they definitely would've repositioned themselves better now.

[river forge]

Florida

[urban mantle]

Do we know much about chapters in the central wasteland perchance

[icy turtle]

They haven't expanded upon them, but as the show has kinda shows us - just because it's not expanded upon yet, doesn't mean it doesn't exist or it's gone.

Given how much Todd and Emil love the East Coast BOS there probably is more there.

[gloomy basin]

Yeah but it took them till 5 years after fallout 3 to finally defeat the super mutants

[urban mantle]

I'd expect a central BOS to get involved rather than an eastern BOS (if there is one)

[river forge]

How do you know this

[real scroll]

Yeah I dont think its ever stated

[icy turtle]

"As of 2287, Elder Maxson's reign in the Capital Wasteland was uncontested, and his authority and influence were spreading across the East Coast. The Prydwen was a key element of the Brotherhood's power projection, rallying people to his cause. In addition, Maxson had been in contact with other chapters over the years."

[gloomy basin]

Quinlans terminal

[real scroll]

I dont see anything on a specific date

[urban mantle]

We can probably extrapolate a timeline based on maxson's age in 3 and the age he was ascended to elder at

[gloomy basin]

Maxson is 10 in Fallout 3, he killed Shepard at age 15

[icy turtle]

The implication is that when Maxson was 12, until he's 20, that it took them that long to quell the Mutant threat.

[gloomy basin]

Likewise it lines up with Ingram losing her legs around the same time fighting mutants in DC

[icy turtle]

"Maxson rapidly developed his talents. In 2279, at the age of 12, he managed to kill two raiders on a training patrol, saving the squad that was supposed to escort him. A year later, he managed to single-handedly kill a deathclaw, taking grave wounds in the process and a disfiguring scar that marred his face forever. His key achievement came in 2282, at the age of 15, when he killed a super mutant leader named Shepherd, who was trying to reorganize the remnants of the Capital Wasteland super mutant infestation. This achievement revealed another secret: that the West Coast elders were still monitoring their errant brethren. With Maxson's achievement came leadership and promotion to a provisional elder."

[real scroll]

Even in the terminal it said that Shepard attempted to reorganize the Supermutants implying they already fell

[gloomy basin]

Them being scattered doesn’t change the fact they could reorganize and be a threat still in the first place

[real scroll]

I mean like by that logic the Unity never really fell did it

[gloomy basin]

The BoS kill them on sight it means they had areas still to contest the BoS at

[urban mantle]

The unity had a definitive commander

[gloomy basin]

Yeah those aren’t comparable examples

[urban mantle]

The super mutants on the east coast are more like orcs from Warhammer, they just fuck off after a while

And then they consolidate again and are a problem again

[gloomy basin]

And Ingram was fighting them in the capital wasteland itself

[atomic cedar]

And Legion are fighting on 3 fronts and still going strong 💪

[urban mantle]

Is that counting the hill Caesar is on

[atomic cedar]

No

[urban mantle]

I see

[gloomy basin]

Also Bruh you need to quote the ingame source and not the wiki smh

[atomic cedar]

Legate Kevinus says they're fighting NCR, the brotherhood of steel and the great khans

[urban mantle]

Yeah they're just fighting everyone west of them

[atomic cedar]

The only reason they haven't curb stomped the West is because of the infighting

Which is about to be solved

[urban mantle]

I think the western BOS would probably whoop them if they cared about the legion as things stand

[atomic cedar]

They do

Western BoS map shows their biggest threat was the Legion

[gloomy basin]

Well the capital ones are on the verge of extinction given they have lines added by broken steel about not being able to recuperate Their casualties

They’re running out of Fev and one can imagine the Bos eventually dealt with the vault

[urban mantle]

The BoS map is fanmade, and even then territory held doesn't directly correlate to strength

[atomic cedar]

My guy it's literally in the show

[fallow gorge]

Why the hyper focus on my badge? I just like them from the tv series

[gloomy basin]

He means the one in the show but that was a fan map they took from fans

[atomic cedar]

That's irrelevant where it came from it's canon

[fallow gorge]

With a purpose, and I’m not saying it was a good choice or course of action, but it wasn’t out of rage or stupidity

[urban mantle]

They can still be uprooted yeah, I just mean in the sense of them not 'falling' as decisively from single engagements

[fallow gorge]

What’s fnv?

[fallow gorge]

What do you think about Diane Welch?

[gloomy basin]

I just find it funny and curious. You need to play New Vegas if you like the NCR though since that’s the game the show takes them from

[urban mantle]

That purpose wasn't a valid one though
Especially not when he's spent most of his time since then complaining

[candid rose]

Fallout New Vegas, one of the main factions is the NCR, and the game takes place where season 2 does

[icy turtle]

She could've been, im leaning more useful pawn to the Enclave than anything else.

[atomic cedar]

Play New Vegas and join the best faction

[gloomy basin]

There no shot you have played much of 4 or 76 if you don’t know what Vegas is. You can’t even look at the store without new Vegas being recommended too

[candid rose]

Both The Legion and NCR is in FNV

[fallow gorge]

But isn’t new Vegas super old? And 2D? You need an emulator for that right?

[urban mantle]

The kings

[candid rose]

it's not 2d no.. and it's from 2011

[gloomy basin]

No it came out between 3 and 4

It’s literally on modern consoles and Steam/epic

[atomic cedar]

How do we tell him

[icy turtle]

We don't, let'em dream.

[candid rose]

a simple search reveals it's not 2d

[fallow gorge]

Sure I can accept that it wasn’t valid, but I can respect his personal sacrifices for the cause he identifies with, he’s a man of consistence
What’s he been complaining about?

[urban mantle]

I'll just get myself turned into a ghoul and wander around outer Vegas

[fallow gorge]

Oooh Okok so the Robert House stuff and all that

[candid rose]

yes he is in it too

[icy turtle]

with your guitar. 🎸

[gloomy basin]

Bro will forever be my enemy

[real scroll]

You know about the Hawks post

[atomic cedar]

The entire second season of the show is based around New Vegas (the game)

[fallow gorge]

Im leaning for 100% good yet naive person, sweetest character in the whole lore

[urban mantle]

He talks about the wasteland making people bad and dangerous as if that isn't a direct consequence of his personal actions

[atomic cedar]

Uh

[fallow gorge]

Oh… aight, might give it a try then!

[urban mantle]

Tries to appeal to Lucy's moral sensibilities and whatnot a lot in that respect

[atomic cedar]

House is not responsible for wastelanders being bad

[gloomy basin]

Yeah you can’t ignore the fact Hank killed 30,000 people

[icy turtle]

Slavery vs Taxes.

[urban mantle]

Talking about Hank

[atomic cedar]

Ah

[fallow gorge]

Looks cute, looks like Texas

[atomic cedar]

Still he's not responsible for that either

[candid rose]

close enough

[gloomy basin]

The show is glazing the NCR morally but real that did show Hanks line of thinking bro pulled the classic legion argument

[urban mantle]

He really, really is - at least in California and part of the mojave

[candid rose]

you joined this server in 2023 but never spoke untill today`?

[atomic cedar]

So many people said they would never play Oblivion because it was an "old game" then the remaster comes out and those same people are like it's better than Skyrim

[atomic cedar]

People in the wasteland were evil long before Hank woke up

[fallow gorge]

But it wasn’t Vault-Tec who launched the bombs! Besides, I think his mindset here is that if a portion of something is infected, even if slightly, you should replace it, and that’s what he’s been doing

[icy turtle]

Tbf i joined years ago, and didn't speak until s2. lol

[urban mantle]

And he still caused a significant relapse

[candid rose]

fair enough

[atomic cedar]

I've joined and left this server multiple times in the past

[gloomy basin]

Amount of people that joined in 2023 couldn’t be sure who you were referring too lol

[fallow gorge]

Sure, but I don’t think he does that maliciously, he wants her to understand him because he loves her

[urban mantle]

If that is how he's thinking about it he's still arguably pretty evil
And ultimately he didn't nuke shady sands because the wasteland was bad, given that it wasn't still the wasteland at that point, he did it because it conflicted with reclamation day

[fallow gorge]

I loved seeing young Hank McLean tho, he looks so nice and chill, like genuine and honest

[urban mantle]

I don't buy him being this innocent pre war, something doesn't add up about him being this naive

Could be enclave affiliated idk, I could also just be reading into stuff

[candid rose]

me too

joined it in 2020

[candid rose]

francis

[fallow gorge]

Yes, arguably evil, and I think there’s a bit more depth to it, it’s not black and white
And yes, Shady Sands interfered with reclamation day, and given his past and his ideals, his decision was “justified”
Also I find it weird that it was him to bomb shady sands, as shady sands was mild by a man that was being controlled by those tiny machines, which I think were not being controlled by Hank McLean for two reasons! First, he didn’t crack the code for them until he was at the Vault-Tec HQ for a while, and second, if he was using the Vault-Tec hardware to control that man, then it would have been controlled by Diane Welch, which is a peaceful and nice person, which would not drop a bomb in the middle of a city

[gloomy basin]

People like Aura and Ajax make me wanna leave but I can’t let misinformation and politics win smh

But I was pretty quiet until season 2 came out and was active beforehand during season 1

[fallow gorge]

I think he was indeed naive and nice even before the war, he just got scarred and changed with time

[atomic cedar]

Are you a hater of the show

[fallow gorge]

No… why do you ask?

[urban mantle]

I think he might've unthawed and killed Diane in an effort to find an appropriate behavioral model to have the brain interfaces imprint

[gloomy basin]

Bros clearly a show fan

[icy turtle]

Why start drama? lol I can block you and just not engage, if that's how you feel.

[urban mantle]

They existed before her death for sure, most likely is that Hank wasn't able to keep them consistently stabilized without it

[fallow gorge]

Oh my god do you think Diane was frozen and he did that to her??

[icy turtle]

It's possible, not out of the realm of it being true.

[urban mantle]

I think it's a possibility

[icy turtle]

I'd have to wonder if she was killed pre-war she'd be more decomposed?

[gloomy basin]

Hey man your choice. You are simply my enemy simple as

[fallow gorge]

That breaks me in half, I love both characters so much but I’m sticking with Welch if I have to divide

[urban mantle]

Before chicken fucker none of the people controlled behaved this way

[fallow gorge]

That’s horrifying, poor Congresswoman Welch

[icy turtle]

What an oddball thing to say over the internet, lol

[gloomy basin]

I feel like the fact it’s a headquarters makes me think she’s been there

[urban mantle]

How she got there is still very unclear, probably gonna be revealed soon

[icy turtle]

She did move in the episode 8 trailer, too so i wonder if that was just reactionary to Lucy or. . .

[gloomy basin]

Like Hank wouldn’t really know about her already unless he’s actively an enclave member and wasn’t just trying to join

[urban mantle]

Uh oh

[urban mantle]

We know he has access to case files on people in the bunker, at least based on that one guy

Her agreeability could've been noted there or something

[fallow gorge]

So who is behind Vault-Tec? Who is the head? Do we know?

[icy turtle]

Yeah, he definitely had some level of access to see their choices that got them there, or personality - something that let him get an idea of 'who' they were.

[fallow gorge]

Or even have any clue or theory or something?

[urban mantle]

Not really no
Functionally vault tec was a public appendage of the pre war cabal which even at the top level didn't really grasp what was happening

[icy turtle]

This, yeah.

[fallow gorge]

#OneLoveVaultTec ❤️

[icy turtle]

Or at the very least, the Directors knew but didn't care, or really follow too much into their directives. I think Braun orchestrated the experiments, but Hugo didn't really give a fuck.

[gloomy basin]

Yeah but why freeze her if she isn’t actually an agent

We see in 76 that government members not enclave or criticized them were killed and hunted down

[urban mantle]

I am still curious about how he got the bomb and that guy set up, let alone how moldaver knows about it (and presumably knew in advance given her survival and absence from the bomb site)

[urban mantle]

Now this is the question, why the hell is she in a vault tec management facility

[icy turtle]

I was gonna say she might've had an idea about Hank through Rose.

[fallow gorge]

It’s criminal to me that she wasn’t labeled with “friendliest and nicest person in this hell hole, do not tamper with”

[gloomy basin]

I think she’s been there for centuries and was just inactive

We know they were already working on the control chips at the headquarters

[urban mantle]

Maybe, she also could've just been guessing but that seems unlikely

[urban mantle]

Her head would've needed to be very thoroughly coated in preservatives if that was the case

[gloomy basin]

Which is possible that head looks rancid

[icy turtle]

Well we do see Moldaver and Rose were close friends, so I have to imagine Rose confided in her a lot. And we know through Hank that Rose wanted to find civilization on the surface - and Hank was opposed to it.

[sudden sand]

it looks like house

if he was only a head

[icy turtle]

It's the same tech, yeah.

[sudden sand]

no i mean shes not remotely rancid. just super yucky

[urban mantle]

Moldaver definitely would've known about Hank and his situation, it's just the leap from that to shady sands is pretty big

[sudden sand]

shes also not been there hundreds of years because we can see its a poor job done recently

[urban mantle]

The NCR has other known enemies

Idk I think we'll see more of moldaver to fill in how her role in everything ended up the way it did

[gloomy basin]

I’m still curious how she survived

[urban mantle]

Hmm
Welch and Coop's family ending up in the same secret vault tec facility seems convenient

[gloomy basin]

I would not be surprised to find out coops family isn’t actually in there

[urban mantle]

I wonder if Coop switched out with Welch or something whenever barb managed to reach him and get Janie

[urban mantle]

It would be the obvious play yeah

Moldaver must've learned about the enclave at some point right

[sterile coral]

Janey being Enclave would also provide a unique opportunity for an Enclave POV next season like Maximus was for the Brotherhood.

[gloomy basin]

I’m just curious what’s the context of that heroic BoS theme is gonna be

At this point I assume it’s the return of the NCR in New Vegas by Maximus 😭

[urban mantle]

God I hope so

Maybe Dane getting the kids out of the brotherhood

[sterile coral]

Maximus doesn't strike me as very Aradesh-y.

[sleek anvil]

Thats the vibe im getting, maybe if maximus for the new president lol

[gloomy basin]

He strikes me as very Aradeshy

[sleek anvil]

Wasnt the NCR heavily based where he grew up aswell?

[urban mantle]

Shady sands? Yeah

[sleek anvil]

Wouldnt surprise me if ncr know of maximus because of his dad trying to save shady sands

[urban mantle]

Doubt they'd recognize him, NCR was a big territory

[sleek anvil]

Probs not many made it put of shady also, if any

[urban mantle]

I think the appearance of NCR equipment in freeside will catch their attention

[sleek anvil]

The NCR?

[urban mantle]

Yeah

[sleek anvil]

True, i wonder where they are rn

[urban mantle]

Or whatever fragments of it are still active in Vegas

[swift breach]

i mean maximus was a ncr citizen when he grew up so he’s atleast registered

[urban mantle]

Question there is how closely do they log things and do they even still have a registry

[sleek anvil]

I guess we dont even know how many their are left

[modern orbit]

Ncr has beauracracy, and if that means one thing, that means they keep a list

[sleek anvil]

Would be nice to get a bit of each faction last episode

[urban mantle]

Maybe that's why shady sands being destroyed caused the NCR to fall, they lost all their lists

[sleek anvil]

Think they are going to save ncr and super mutants for next season

[urban mantle]

This next episode is gonna cover a lot of ground I think

[sleek anvil]

Hopefully

[atomic cedar]

It's pretty obvious they're setting them up for FO5

[sleek anvil]

Fo5 gonna be a nv2 atp

[icy turtle]

Nah, new location in the Western Wasteland.

[urban mantle]

Season 3 is supposed to be setting up for fallout 5, I think 2 is just progressing the story of the show

[atomic cedar]

Todd said season 2 was setting up fo5

[fallow gorge]

Will Diane Welch be in Fallout 5?

[sleek anvil]

As a head?

[icy turtle]

A head in a jar, maybe.

[fallow gorge]

Idk but I don’t think I can take it

[fallow gorge]

I can’t handle Diane having that fate, I hope there’s some way to save her

[sleek anvil]

Bro she made coop give enclave the cold fusion

[atomic cedar]

Typically only one way to get someone out of that situation

[fallow gorge]

The way they treated her was so unfair, people are so fast to label others as weak for not being the best spokesperson in the world

[atomic cedar]

Either brain in a jar or the merciful option

[fallow gorge]

She’s innocent tho, she didn’t know it would turn out that way, that woman is 200% pure at heart

[atomic cedar]

We don't know that

[fallow gorge]

At least let it be the merciful option, it’s tearing me apart to imagine Congresswoman Welch suffer

[fallow gorge]

Im super convinced of her purity, she’s just too good for this world

[icy turtle]

And if you're wrong? lol

[sleek anvil]

What ive learnt from fallout is never trust anyone lol

[fallow gorge]

I’ll love her anyway, someone like her doing something willingly and knowingly bad can only be powered by her loved ones being at stake or something, I still stand with Welch, at most she’s the most misunderstood character since Howard Hamlin from better call Saul

[fallow gorge]

Only congresswoman Welch, who knows how to be decent and honest

[real scroll]

Jeez why dont you just marry her

[swift breach]

This is how propaganda works btw

[icy turtle]

Agreed lol

[fallow gorge]

She’s way out of my league

[fallow gorge]

It’s not really propaganda, she is not loved by most people, in fact most people don’t like her at all

[real scroll]

Only Sierra Petrovita she's the only pure soul in the wasteland

[fallow gorge]

Why don’t you just marry her already?

[real scroll]

I tried

[fallow gorge]

Out of your league too? I getchu

[real scroll]

I could only fill up her machine but not in the way I wanted

[fallow gorge]

Who’s Sierra Petrovita?

[real scroll]

The Nuka Cola obssesed lady in Fallout 3 and Nuka World

[river forge]

Is it possible house just ran low on power and had to go into a shut down mode and that’s why new vegas fell into disrepair

[gloomy basin]

Hey man there’s a child present 🫷

[fallow gorge]

Oh yeah she’s cute ngl, but she doesn’t have the principles and personality of Diane Welch

[tawny birch]

His last AA batteries ran out

[icy turtle]

pretty much what he did pre-events of FNV.

[gloomy basin]

Seems like he’s dead to me and that’s just an AI

[fallow gorge]

I feel sorry for House too, he just wanted to have his maths and his models, wanted to not be bothered

[gloomy basin]

…

[swift breach]

She is loved by you. From what we’ve seen, she seems to be one of the last true good politicians. But behind closed curtains, we know nothing about her true plans/devotions.. she might as well be an Enclave spy manipulating events such as Cooper handing over cold fusion

[gloomy basin]

Bro exploded a guys head

[tawny birch]

Silly ol house

[lusty ingot]

Who hasn't done that before

[icy turtle]

My experience with the first time doing the mesmetron quest lol

[river forge]

Wait what?

[fallow gorge]

Haven’t seen anyone liking her at all… and yes I can understand your point, but she either is the best actress ever (as a character, not the actual actress herself), kind of a billionaire to buy out tons of other actors to disrespect her, and then a lot of strings to pull to do the things that happened, which seems unlikely, I think she’s innocent and just naive, but genuinely good and honest and what happened to her was a true tragedy (and if Hank was behind it I’m divided bet we the two, but I’m going Welch)

[tawny birch]

German dub of this ep has the t-45 soldier call the Canadians « maple fuckers » instead of just hoser

[fallow gorge]

The T-45 soldier? You mean Maximus? Or did I miss something in this episode?

[icy turtle]

That's fucking hilarious.

[tawny birch]

In the flashback

[icy turtle]

The Canada flashback

[tawny birch]

The USMC one that blows up

[fallow gorge]

Ooooh when the vault 32 overseer is on, I see it now

[gloomy basin]

Good people which do not include house 😔

[fallow gorge]

Yeah yeah I remember now, thanks! That woman seems to me like a pretty selfish person

[fallow gorge]

And include Congresswoman Diane Welch known for going for best character of Fallout Lore

[tawny birch]

Shell fish

[gloomy basin]

Bruh

[icy turtle]

House was in a coma post war, and up until 2138 iirc.

[gloomy basin]

I see a love of milfs in your future

[atomic cedar]

I really hate to say but there is more and more evidence that chicken fucker is the courier

[icy turtle]

As he should be just to piss people off. lol

[gilded pewter]

HOLY SHRIMP MR KRABS IS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

[gloomy basin]

Yeah he can join Nobark the chosen one

[real scroll]

HOLY FISH PASTE

[sterile coral]

Or heck, have Coop be the Courier; dude's been Forrest Gumping his way through pre-War America, why not post-War too?

[fallow gorge]

Not really my cup of tea, but I have a lot of respect for who Welch is and represents, it’s not easy steering the right way when everything is pointing at the other direction

[swift breach]

Bury that evidence deep

[atomic cedar]

We know he can't be he was underground during NV

[gloomy basin]

You should play new Vegas then I think you would enjoy the followers of apocalypse

[atomic cedar]

Biggest contenders for courier is chicken guy and Kevinus

[gilded pewter]

Anyway that was pretty solid episode I just watched, loved the NCR power armor especially

Anyone else think the deathclaws looked kinda off tho? Idk something about the cgi or maybe I’m seeing things and going cuckoo

[fallow gorge]

Why is everyone saying that? Is that man the voice actor of Mr Krabs or something?

[gilded pewter]

Yes.

[atomic cedar]

It's Clancy Brown

Very famous actor he's been in many movies and he voices Mr. Krabs

[gloomy basin]

Yeah the Goat

[sterile coral]

I'd honestly be fine with Kevinicus being the Courier; Chicken Fucker being the Courier just feels disrespectful to NV players if that makes sense.

[fallow gorge]

Many people are gonna be pissed that I’m bringing this up once again but what do you think of Congresswoman Diane Welch?

[real scroll]

Well unless you play as a murder hobo

[atomic cedar]

Would be based if chicken fucker is the courier

[gilded pewter]

Who was that again? The girl in the limo with cooper and mr krabs?

[real scroll]

Dude please play Dead Money and let it go

[atomic cedar]

Chill

[sterile coral]

Just make sure to lock up Elijah like Maximus did Quintus.

[swift breach]

You should rename yourself as dianewelchlover911

[gloomy basin]

lol real

[fallow gorge]

Yes her, later we see her severed head and it broke my heart

[gilded pewter]

I do not understand did she do something cool my white ass wasn’t paying attention to

[fallow gorge]

I don’t understand what that means

[tawny birch]

She didn’t do anything cool

[fallow gorge]

Sure hope we’re keeping things respectful

[gloomy basin]

She’s just clowned on the whole show for being incompetent but morally good

Lowkey I’m 50/50 on whether she’s an willing or unwilling Enclave plant

[real scroll]

its just practical advice

[modern orbit]

let go of poverty

[fallow gorge]

Why 911?

[gloomy basin]

Like how did she know vault tech wants to drop the bombs

[sterile coral]

Not everyone can be an Enclave plant pre-War.

[night totem]

She became a live action Ray Bradburton

[modern orbit]

based and headpilled

[gloomy basin]

And had that smart ass remark about cooper saying she’s an incompetent

[gloomy basin]

I’d say the show disagrees

[gilded pewter]

What did diana welch do again

[swift breach]

Ever heard about kanyewestlover911? you remind me of that account

[fallow gorge]

She was anti capitalist, she wasn’t communist

[modern orbit]

erm, what the deuce

[swift breach]

She made Coop hand over cold fusion to the enclave

[gilded pewter]

Oh is it confirmed Mr. Krabs is enclave already?

[fallow gorge]

Who was he?

[tawny birch]

Based??!!!??

[modern orbit]

yes hes the fucking president lmao

[gilded pewter]

Imma be fr I haven’t played the games with tje enclave

[modern orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-upset-facepalm-gif-13908817

[gilded pewter]

I’m sory

[tawny birch]

Execution tomorrow

[fallow gorge]

No not really…
Keep in mind I am not physically attracted to Welch or anything, I just think she’s deserving of respect and attention and that what she represents and does is not simple or easy to handle

[gloomy basin]

Nah fair enough

They’re only really explained in fallout 2 and 3

[night totem]

Inventor of Nuka Cola. In a side quest in the Nuka World dlc you help the nuka obsessed girl from 3 get into his office where you find a vault holding his severed head

[modern orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/dale-stare-gif-27562538

[gilded pewter]

Yeah I tried playing 1 and 2 but my young ass was not sophisticated enough to enjoy them, also I just never got around to 3

[night totem]

You can find the office building of them in 4

[gloomy basin]

Alright guys be chill though no need to clown on actual children

[gilded pewter]

Oh really?

[fallow gorge]

Damn what’s the thing about severed heads? Jeez Louise

[fallow gorge]

Everything alright?

[night totem]

Idk. 4 released 11 years ago

[gilded pewter]

Also to clarify I do know enough about the enclave like the basics, they were a shadow society puppeteering the us government, they made super mutants, wanted to exterminate all life but them, blew up liberty prime with a space laser, all that jazz

[modern orbit]

actually doesnt play the games like a boss

[gloomy basin]

Obligatory Tourists moment

[fallow gorge]

You mean Fallout 4?
I just mean like why not keep the whole body together? Why sever heads?

[modern orbit]

Are you in the right place?

[paper cradle]

“SHE’S NOT AMERICAN SHE’S CANADIAN!” (I think I quoted this correctly) this made my ass laugh😭

[paper cradle]

I worded this wrong

[paper cradle]

This made me inaudibly gaggle

[fallow gorge]

I don’t recall asking you

[modern orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/gregor-clegane-game-of-thrones-got-the-mountain-gif-12804577896434903981

[fallow gorge]

Dude what is your name 😭💔🥀🪫🚽 I’m crine

[night totem]

Shock value

[paper cradle]

It’s the truth

[real scroll]

Every single Fallout game in some capacity has someones brain or head reanimated

[gilded pewter]

That was the biggest reveal ever. I knew she was a conniving manipulator and coercive harpy. But I would’ve never in a million years dreamed she was a canadian eh

[fallow gorge]

It’s so sad tho

[night totem]

Like are you doing this to hate the show or not I can't tell

[paper cradle]

I was on her side at the start, she sounded reasonable. But I never thought she would be Canadian

[night totem]

Ehh thats why its a video game

[paper cradle]

No I’m doing it because I’m fucking gay and less smart. I just like Fallout series House

[fallow gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/jessie-breaking-bad-monte-carlo-gif-24489916

“Hello old Friend” - House

[night totem]

Ah ok. We have an epidemic of grifters here

[paper cradle]

I’ve seen…🫩

[gilded pewter]

Anyway what’s the deal with her anyway? Is she supposed to be like a canadian rebel that was resisting the US annexation of canada?

[fallow gorge]

Why not keep the whole body together tho? Like I know it might be more costly but in case of wanting to let the person go it becomes kinda irreversible

[night totem]

Yes

[night totem]

Its less cool

[fallow gorge]

Yeah yeah sure of course, I’m not complaining btw

[leaden furnace]

I’m not sure if Steph was an active freedom fighter or someone that just happened to be thrown into the camps and escaped

[paper cradle]

Selling Bud’s body for 20 caps

[leaden furnace]

I’d be inclined to go with the latter tbh

[night totem]

I think so yeah

[fallow gorge]

Can’t agree but I totally understand what you mean

[night totem]

She wasnt trying to kill them until her mom? Girlfriend? Sister? Died from a suicider

[paper cradle]

Most likely mom

[leaden furnace]

I think the whole “don’t see them as human see them as Americans” lesson would’ve been ingrained by then if she was a freedom fighter beforehand.

[fallow gorge]

Bud Askins seems like a chill dude, like someone fun to hang around with

[paper cradle]

The woman looked older than her, I thought she was her sister though

[night totem]

I thought it was her mom but apparently steph mutters "dont go baby" but I dont remember

[paper cradle]

If Norman hates him then I hate him (Norman is my 2nd favourite character in the show)

[paper cradle]

Think that was her mom muttering that

[night totem]

Ok

Man this finale is gonna be great

Deathclaw fight part 2, Computer House is back, the finals for the vault dweller plots

[paper cradle]

Better not interrupt my math learning for fun sessions

[fallow gorge]

Oh yeah Norman is smart, I like him too
Who’s your number 1 btw?

[paper cradle]

Lucy

[night totem]

Coop

[fallow gorge]

Aight I can understand that

[night totem]

Scratch that Maximus

[fallow gorge]

Coop is cool, do you mean coop as in Cooper Howard or the ghoul?

[night totem]

I love Maximus

[paper cradle]

They gonna confirm Cooper Howard x Robert House to troll the fans /j

[night totem]

Changed my answer

[fallow gorge]

Maximus… aight good pick too ngl

[fallow gorge]

Yeah yeah I know, the question still stands tho, which version of coop do you prefer?

[paper cradle]

My dad is definitely a big Maxmus fan. Dude couldn’t even remember Lucy’s name.

[night totem]

I love the BoS. I want Arthur and Liberty Prime in season 3

[night totem]

Both

[atomic cedar]

Crazy thing is we know legion are capable of going toe to toe with paladins

[fallow gorge]

I like Maximus too but in the beginning his decisions made me kinda nervous like damn the guy has some balls

[night totem]

Yeah they are a military superpower for a reason

[fallow gorge]

Yeah pretty valid ngl

[paper cradle]

My ears perked up when my dad said (irl dad btw ugh) “you know who reminds me of Maximus” and my ass thought it was me 💔 (lowkey look like him)

Now I realised I’m a house

[night totem]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-house-house-gif-11916099077674228393

[paper cradle]

IS THAT FUCKING DR HOUSE

[night totem]

https://tenor.com/view/house-dancing-in-front-of-deaf-patients-room-fight-the-power-house-in-shades-hugh-laurie-house-md-gif-20407298

[fallow gorge]

Wdym irl dad?
House is pretty cool, the house never loses

[paper cradle]

I have a dad who is REAL😨

House is pretty cool

[night totem]

Tell that to the corpse I just shot with a heavy incinerator

[fallow gorge]

When you discover nurse garage is also watching fallout tv series (she likes Robert House)

[fallow gorge]

Why specify it tho? Dads are always real
House is top 5 characters for me

[paper cradle]

Instead of folding my clothes I’m typing rn.

[fallow gorge]

I didn’t understand the reference 😭 im a lil green in fallout lore

[paper cradle]

“Dads are always real” every fictional dad ever doesn’t exist- oh yeah they don’t.

Anyways I love how House went from screaming at Howard to welcoming him.

Some may call it yaoi, I call it House.

[small flicker]

it’s that cold war conditioning

[small flicker]

🤯🤯🤯

[fallow gorge]

Well… I was referring to your dad…? This might be language gap, my main language is not English

[paper cradle]

I’m just joshing about stuff

“Dads are always real” refers to all dads, not just mine. Using the letter “s” makes a word plural. It can also be used to refer to the subject’s plural or singular thingy majingy idk I’m not good at English.

[leaden furnace]

House, notorious victim of Cold War conditioning

[fallow gorge]

Oh alright I get what was the funny bit about it 😂 completely missed that

Just know it wasn’t because you’re not funny, it’s just my current natural unease in English

[sudden sand]

does anyone have any super high def images of the ncr power armour in ep 7 perchance

[ashen sapphire]

full body?

[sudden sand]

as well as can be yeah

my ass needs em

for the most part i can use images of the shows t60 and 45 to figure out the parts that are not exact matches for the ingame f4 and 76 models

but im not quite sure whats going on with the kneecaps. some images seem to show just normal t60 kneecaps. some show the same style as the 76 skin

[sudden sand]

cod priveleges revoked

[prisma totem]

So, I don’t fully understand the significance of Cooper giving Cold Fusion to the government

Is it just that he basically handed it to the Enclave? Or is there something more

[sudden sand]

He gave it directly to the literal leader of the enclave

[prisma totem]

So does this confirm the president was Bagman?

[sudden sand]

So the resource war won’t end.

[prisma totem]

Yeah, that definitely sucks

[sudden sand]

He thinks he’s just saved the world (well the us anyway) but he’s actually just made sure it won’t ever end

[real scroll]

Y'know Maximus would've fit right in with Lyon's Brotherhood

Shame

[vivid ferry]

I need California Dreaming to start playing when the NCR pulls up or the Finale will just be nothing to me

[modern orbit]

NCR battalion bout to lock in

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-marching-warhammer40k-krieg-death-korps-of-krieg-marching-soldiers-marching-gif-26655156

[vivid ferry]

No fucking way are they gonna be like

https://tenor.com/view/wic-world-ic-conflit-army-gif-19028172

[modern orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/black-hawk-down-delta-snipers-gif-22872112

[wheat lodge]

Could this actually be the president watching the "we could launch the bomb ourselves" meeting?

[sterile coral]

It’d be nice to see the NCR get a proper W if nothing else.

[mortal raft]

Genuinely how the hell are the legion gonna fit into this

Like are we just gonna randomly cut back to them and all of a sudden they just invade vegas

[sterile coral]

Perhaps their invasion is the cliffhanger for S3?

[wheat lodge]

Their invasion will not have much weight in the main storyline, except if somehow they now have some sort of connection to the Enclave

[mortal raft]

They also haven’t appeared since what, episode 4?

[wheat lodge]

Anyway, the Legion has lost their purpose when the NCR fell. Even Caesar said that the reason behind the legion was to keep the balance in the wastelands toward the NCR. Like the NCR needed an arch nemesis to keep the balance

If the NCR had control over everything, it would be bad, but the same thing applies to the legion. So they fight each other to keep that balance in place

[sterile coral]

Perhaps Lacerta’s an Enclave operative, and the Legion are secretly their unknowing catspaws?

[wheat lodge]

I think they are just a plot reason for the Brotherhood to pull up to New Vegas

We will see in less than 48 hours

[modern orbit]

they've been on the march

[atomic cedar]

Legion situation:
Last we saw them, Cooper caused an explosion which caused the two opposing sides to start fighting. Presumably, the two Caesars will end up both being killed one way or another and Kevinus will be names Caesar with a new unified Legion. Their first step? Take back New Vegas.

[wheat lodge]

Kevinus? Goddamn

[small flicker]

i mean hes pretty likely a nationalist yeah

but i was referring to cooper

[leaden furnace]

Yeah my point was more so about House, and also Barb I suppose

[glass rune]

just me or does the show love to pat itself on the back the second the ncr is mentioned

[sterile coral]

How so?

[glass rune]

idk its just the over use of the fallout 4 theme

the second anything majorly ncr is shown

[leaden furnace]

Idk if pat on the back is the right word

They love to hype them up though yeah

[glass rune]

tbh if thats my only major complaint

the shows doing spectacularly

[atomic cedar]

That theme has been in Fallout a lot longer than 4 lol

[glass rune]

thought they used 4s version of it

[atomic cedar]

It's just the normal Fallout theme

The NCR specifically has been around since Fallout 2 and it is origins stem back to Fallout 1 so yeah it does deserve the callback music

[urban mantle]

I found something I thought I heard a few days ago, house in NV says robots that use brains for processing tend to not preserve the original personality/mind in question (explaining why he didn't go the brain jar route)

[upper shard]

I've seen some people mention that the music they play when Max and co arrive in Freeside is a rendition of the NCR theme from NV

Not the Fallout theme mind you. The NCR theme. Anyone else hear any resemblance?

https://youtu.be/Vr-0gDy3fZU?si=I-SvfZq6iE_8ZIgS

[real scroll]

You think Thaddues would've been able to snipe the Deathclaws anyway

[north wharf]

Hey i rather have someone shoot a deathclaw than do nothing

Beside since he is in the party and isnt like maximus where he is better with power armor or the ghoul who just good
Thaddasus might as well be a sniper

[wheat briar]

Thaddeus is like a pet that's entirely cosmetic and has no affect on the actual events of anything besides being comedic relief. I like it

[inner pollen]

yeah

[north wharf]

and this is why dogmeat is superior as a result

[inner pollen]

i disagree respectfully

[north wharf]

https://klipy.com/gifs/krogan-headbutt

Opinion invalid unrespectuflly

[wheat briar]

I'll take them both 😎

[inner pollen]

naw Dogmeat is the best. i'm just upset she's hardly in any scenes 😭

[north wharf]

that is because this isnt any normal dogmeat
this is FALLOUT 3 DOGMEAT

A GOD AMONG THE WASTELAND!!!

[fringe loom]

@magic wave No memes, #rules 2

[inner pollen]

Fallout 3 Dogmeat is a Blue Heeler (Australian Cattle Dog). Fallout TV Show Dogmeat is a Belgian Malinois.

do you mean that FO3 Dogmeat is superior to the Shows?

im confused 😭

[north wharf]

The joke is that when broken steel was released, bethesada as usual broke the game by giving dogmeat around 50k health which makes him invicible

[inner pollen]

LMAO

[north wharf]

You have to legit not joking have to kill dogmeat yourself because he cant die from the enemies to stop him

[wheat briar]

They should make a joke where Dogmeat is taking constant damage but does nothing and keeps going

Dogmeat fights deathclaw and wins through attrition

[inner pollen]

never noticed FO3 Dogmeat being able to withstand so much damage. i thought i was just really fortunate and timely with stimpaks 😭😭

[leaden furnace]

Broken Steel broke Fawkes and RL-3 as well

Have absurd health pools

[north wharf]

yes but one a supermutant and the other is a robot that cost money
not very good companions
they are good

[leaden furnace]

Mf Fawkes is the best companion in the game 😭

Casual super mutant xenophobia on display folks…

[north wharf]

yes

[north wharf]

super mutant are abomination
just like raiders

[modern orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-mad-mad-mad-shrek-shrek-frustrated-gif-2012887545439882635

[north wharf]

I am always correct

[modern orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/bronn-jaime-ser-you-messed-up-gif-13935001

[north wharf]

https://klipy.com/gifs/krogan-headbutt

[austere sentinel]

2 days left

[north wharf]

to headput more supermutant with my power armor?
LETS GO

[river forge]

Im guessing house wasn’t the one who used the congresswoman’s head for the mainframe

[crimson elm]

Just realized, the last president of the united states is Eugene Krabs

"Spongebob me boy, i need the cold fusion"

[north wharf]

yes
The president of the entire united states is indeed the very man that will sell people soul for money
AND IT COULDNT EVEN BE ANY BETTER PRESIDENT THAN THAT

[digital walrus]

Nah either hank or vault tec depending on when this dumb project started

House had sold it off

[fallow gorge]

Congresswoman Welch is good tho, she is not evil or anything, this is a painful argument but if she had a single grain of impurity she wouldn’t have made a good neuro model for the controlled people

[inner pollen]

exactly what i be preaching

you're the only other person i've seen have that opinion so far 😭

[paper cradle]

They’re also all fucking boring and stereotypical so I don’t know mate

like that one type of nice you hang out with but you also want them to get the hell out of your life

[inner pollen]

the mind controlled people?

[paper cradle]

Yeah they are like how I wanted to act in 2025

[inner pollen]

LMAO WHAT??????

[limber egret]

Her last name literally means to go back on one's word

[paper cradle]

“Let’s be subtle about evil and not tell Welch!”

[inner pollen]

and my surname means: Target, Christ, or Nipple in Dutch, depending on how Google Translate is feeling (got a German surname).

while i do love name symbolism, it's not always a good tool to rely on judging one's character.

BUT… yeah she could be evil idk but i'm on team good

[fallow gorge]

I totally disagree, I think she’s really just the kind of nice that’s genuine and pure