EPISODE 7

[misty yoke]

I know, it's because they don't have a clue how to develop House's story past the ending of FNV but amazon execs wanted him in the story for brand recognition. It's all about maximizing appeal.

[atomic cedar]

Did you miss that they're killing anyone who tries to get Caesars body

[ember lintel]

I'm looking forward to seeing the new Legate in action next episode

[restive tiger]

Civil war was expected. How they went about it is the stupidest way ever. Instead of powerfull warlords conquering huge pieces of land it’s two guys fighting over a hill with no politics and no depth

[atomic cedar]

The show doesn't go into the legion politics doesn't mean their isn't

[thick coral]

You don't know!

[restive tiger]

We see the camp is divided? Is the rest of the legion territory somehow divided to? How is that decided?

[thick coral]

You haven't seen the new episodes!

[restive tiger]

There definetely isn’t based on the shows writing

[atomic cedar]

???

[thick coral]

Speculate on what we know and not whatever pre-existing biases you have

[atomic cedar]

You're making stuff up just to be mad

[restive tiger]

The civil war wouldn’t be centered in one spot and there wouldn’t just be two side

[misty yoke]

That doesn't make it free, that makes it a limited time offer, hoping to attract people into the FO1st ecosystem. A "FREE SKIN" is a free skin, and they also hand out those.

[atomic cedar]

We have no idea what's going on in the rest of legion territory

[restive tiger]

The territory is so huge in a civil war there would be a million groups not two

[thick coral]

Maybe you'll be right but you simply don't know

[atomic cedar]

What are you talking about

[zinc hound]

The deciding factor is literally in that Hill

[zinc hound]

Did I pay for it ?

[restive tiger]

Yeah so two guys with 10 soldiers each fight over it

[atomic cedar]

Yes and we see in trailer for the next episode the legion army

Thousands

[restive tiger]

Why haven’t they brought their entire army to that spot then if it’s so important

[atomic cedar]

They did what 😭

[misty yoke]

Nah, I know. Todd has never shown interest in adapting anything from the west coast, and now he's all of a sudden supposedly nuking Shady Sands? That's very clearly a word from higher up (amazon) stipulating they want this and this.

[zinc hound]

Lmao do u think Amazon has enough power over his IP? that's not how contract works

[atomic cedar]

So the Todd hates NV is purely from conjecture that's wild

[ember lintel]

It's all a conspiracy for Todd Howard to finally canonize Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel

[zinc hound]

And I'll ask u again. Did I pay for the skin or I got it for free?

[sullen moon]

I dont think amazon knew what a shady sands was

[atomic cedar]

What

[misty yoke]

First of all Bethesda doesn't own the IP, and secondly yes. They have enough money to make any "IP exec" drop their pants.

[thick coral]

Todd is not writing it

[small flicker]

can you give me a hint

[thick coral]

He is an executive producer

[ember lintel]

no money

[zinc hound]

Fake. Jeff bezos is a fanatic FO1 and wanted to nuke shady sands

[restive tiger]

Yeah he decides the bland plot points

[small flicker]

hmmm

[zinc hound]

I'm broke

[ember lintel]

Chris Avellone and Jeff Bezos are colluding to destroy the NCR

[atomic cedar]

If Todd hated West coast half as much as you think he did there would never be another West coast reference or game or show or anything

[zinc hound]

Real

[restive tiger]

A few soldiers

[small flicker]

the most glazed faction in the show too btw lmao

[atomic cedar]

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[misty yoke]

That's the point, the decision to put the show on the West Coast is not coming from the caretaker of the IP. Todd would be smarter than to meddle in West Coast lore, especially off the back of some amazon adaptation? Ridiculous.

[restive tiger]

He turns it into his thing to profit of fans of the game while also ruining it by destroying everything that made it unique (the tv show)

[sullen moon]

Hes a Tandi hater since day 1

[zinc hound]

For real, he was there when it was all grass

[restive tiger]

Doubt it’s gonna have any impact at all. Most likely that’s all that is reminding of the legion or something and they get defeated and the legion is dead

[thick coral]

Why do you keep talking about him then

Blame the writers of the show if you think it's stupid

[atomic cedar]

So Todd hates the West coast because they made 2 east coast games in a row

[misty yoke]

Because I'm not. I'm talking about the de facto owners and caretakers of the IP who hold creative power for its development, yet they are not the main drivers of the TV show. They are a small cog compared to Amazon's content mills.

[atomic cedar]

And then made everything else since based on NV

Ok

[misty yoke]

I am doing that, while making the distinction that it's extremely likely that the IP's caretakers did not make the decision to place the show on the west coast.

[atomic cedar]

Let's also forget how he constantly glazes Obsidion and New Vegas

Guys he's actually lying 😡😡 😡 😡

[small flicker]

it’s uhhh reverse psychology? controlled opposition?? uhhhh???

[velvet cobalt]

What do you guys think is the cannon endint to fnv?

[misty yoke]

It helps if you read what I'm actually saying, because the point is that he would care enough about NV to not do it dirty like this.

[atomic cedar]

Courier goes through quarry junction first and dies

[restive tiger]

I think he just knows he can’t make a game like new vegas so he ruins it by killing of everything in the show so the west coast is on par with the east coast

[velvet cobalt]

He deadass right

[restive tiger]

The east cost is empty and lacks soul

[atomic cedar]

Are we just pretending like people didn't like fo3

[small flicker]

it’s the fallout i see discussed the least these days tbf

[restive tiger]

It was fun from gameplay but story is just not good

[atomic cedar]

Or that FO4 wasn't the best selling Fallout of all time

People are reaching so hard

[restive tiger]

Yeah good gameplay and easy to digest. They dumbed down fallout for a broader audience like they are doing with the show

Its easy to understand because they removed all complexity

[atomic cedar]

So you believe that Todd is doing this maliciously in order to make people hate Fallout???

[misty yoke]

Not my read, I think Todd cares about Fallout because FO3+FO4 both shipped tens of millions so it's a source of pride toward his business. He simply doesn't CARE about the IP to try to genuinely develop it in the spirit it was originally intended, and Bethesda would rather work on their own brand of Fallout, which is more about vibes than anything.

[zinc hound]

Right, cuz FNV is such a hard to understand and niched masterpiece ong

[atomic cedar]

Because he's doing a really bad job if that's the case Fallout is extremely successful rn

[restive tiger]

No. It only makes the diehard fans hate it a small group. He wants normal people to play it because it earns him more money if more people play it

[misty yoke]

Avatar 1+2 made billions but have no cultural relevance. FO3+4 sold tens of millions but have a weaker cultural relevance than the games that sold less.

[restive tiger]

What earns more money. pleasing one fanboy who understands the lore and wants the games to explore deep themes. Or 10 normal people who just want to shoot stuff up in a wasteland

[atomic cedar]

So you believe that Todd is spiteful towards a small group of players so he is actively pushing the entire focus of the franchise in order to spite these people?

[restive tiger]

It has ALOT of lore and deep themes if you think it’s easy to understand you didn’t understand everything. I didn’t understand it my first time playing. I have had two previous girlfriends play it and they didn’t understand anything

[zinc hound]

You two should read and study more then lmao

[atomic cedar]

That's really not helping your case

[restive tiger]

No he does not care about them or spiting them lol. He cares about earning money. And broader appeal spites these fans

[atomic cedar]

Guys I couldn't understand why TV man want chip

[restive tiger]

Everyone understands that part lol. There is so much more to it lol

[atomic cedar]

NV isn't that deep

[restive tiger]

Then you didn’t understand it lol

[atomic cedar]

So if I understand it I actually didn't understand it hmmm

[misty yoke]

It's infinitely deeper with regards toward the source material and how it treats it compared to either FO3, FO4 or FO76

[atomic cedar]

The plot of new Vegas is factions want the hoover dam

People want power

That's it

[restive tiger]

Yeah like I started out playing fallout 4. I enjoyed it. Some fun background lore and no real depth just shooting stuff up and having fun. (Great from a gameplay perspective. You never feel confused)

[restive tiger]

So much more then that lol

[misty yoke]

You don't understand what the difference between story and plot is if you think FNV is about trying to capture a piece of power infrastructure. FNV is mostly about geopolitics.

[atomic cedar]

Please explain how deep NV is

[restive tiger]

Exactly. Extremely in depth geopolitics

[misty yoke]

The factions are INSTRUMENTAL to FNV in a way no Bethesda game is.

[restive tiger]

Then I played new vegas and it was booring at the start. Then it turned into a masterpiece by the time you reached vegas

[spare wadi]

I love how, after all these years, we've finally seen the last POTUS

[restive tiger]

New vegas has bad gameplay. It has one of the greatest stories and in depth themes I have ever seen in a game

[sterile haven]

A Big 51 DLC would be a sad sad story to witness.

[atomic cedar]

New Vegas gameplay is fine it's a huge red flag when people say the gameplay is bad

[spare wadi]

^^

[restive tiger]

It has shit gameplay a lot of the time. The story and themes are some of the best in all of gaming.

[atomic cedar]

Shows you either didn't actually make your character correctly or are part of cod generation

[sterile haven]

FalloutNV has stopped working

-> close program

[misty yoke]

It's tackling the balance of power of a demographic system and comparing it with a mode of state that can ignore them. This contrasts with the themes of FO1 and FO2 and creates a natural continuity between the 3 where NV is the state (NCR) is in decline. Of course it's not "DEEP" on the level of ontological studies but it's far more interesting and thematic to the source material than Bethesda's attempts.

[sterile haven]

I say this as someone that loves NV

[atomic cedar]

It's as deep as a puddle

[restive tiger]

Its a lot of walking simulator. Pretty booring fights and gunplay.

[zinc hound]

Yet bro couldn't understand lmao

[restive tiger]

Then u didn’t play it. Average fallout new vegas background character is written better and deeper the Lucy from the show

[ember lintel]

gunplay is for nerds, use a melee weapon like a REAL man

[atomic cedar]

The theme of the game is that everyone is pretty bad and they all want the hoover dam (power) for complete control

Some are more honest about it than others

[digital walrus]

It was mostly kept to protect brahmin barons

[restive tiger]

No. Hoover dam is such a minor piece of it if you really take in all of it

[zinc hound]

we be punching

[digital walrus]

Bets on thaddeus mutation and norms fate

[misty yoke]

Hoover dam is mostly what House and NCR want, not what Legion wants. I doubt Legion would even have the means of operating it. The story is mostly about NCR grinding to a hault on their expansion campaign.

[sterile haven]

Every fallout game can be completed with just a combat shotgun, ammo and stimpaks. The gameplay is what you make of it.

[restive tiger]

The politics in new vegas are so great. Factions actually being flawed no pure evil no pure good. The tribes all being unique and all the raiders too

[digital walrus]

Fallout 2 i find melee more useful

[zinc hound]

Shotgun are a mistmaker in every game

[atomic cedar]

You typically have people complaining that the guns are inaccurate when they put don't put any stats into agility or perception

[digital walrus]

Also hunting rifle is the mvp of 3 due to its common ammo type

[zinc hound]

Legion is pure evil lmao. Slave owners and sexists

[ashen sapphire]

it is what the legion wants, they want it for power

[zinc hound]

Chinese AR bro

[atomic cedar]

The NCR causes just as much suffering and death via negligence and corruption

[restive tiger]

Yeah pretty much pure evil but Caesar’s yap atleast tries to justify it a little

[digital walrus]

Harder to maintain early game

[short wave]

Ok this is a lie

[ember lintel]

lincoln repeaters perfect accuracy is so nice but finding 44 ammo is annoying until the pitt

[restive tiger]

Yeah boom good faction design. Kinda like every state today

[digital walrus]

Hence why i say hunting rifle as its findable with common ammo and holds up

[atomic cedar]

NV didn't invent the ncr

[digital walrus]

Nv holorifle

[restive tiger]

It just made it extremely cool

[digital walrus]

No it reinvented them as more imperialistic

[restive tiger]

Also every dlc has crazy lore. And the lore goes so deep if you look at it.

Elijah my beloved

[atomic cedar]

It's so deep guys soooo deep

[digital walrus]

Which dlc do you think has best lore

[ember lintel]

owb lore is so peak

[restive tiger]

Have you played it?

[misty yoke]

the Legion mostly wants to invade west of the colorado river to get more slaves and tribute, they don't care about the power infrastructure they don't know how to operate.

[restive tiger]

Ik amazing favourite dlc

[atomic cedar]

Sometimes I wish Todd hated NV as much as people said he does

[restive tiger]

You should play it

[digital walrus]

Caesar claims he does want the infrastructure

[digital walrus]

For me its dead money

[sterile haven]

yeah i would go with old world blues too for lore, however story Honest Hearts.

[restive tiger]

Great plot and characters horrible gameplay

[atomic cedar]

They have working infrastructure in the east

[ashen sapphire]

im not saying they want it for the infrastructure, they want it for the status

[digital walrus]

Background maybe i don’t like honest hearts actual plot much

[restive tiger]

Wasn’t Caesar anti electricity

[restive tiger]

Yeah honest hearts was kind of a letdown

[ashen sapphire]

if you control the dam you control the strip

[digital walrus]

Caesar is a liar often

[restive tiger]

Yeah but his entire legion is based on it. Unless it’s for him. He can use electricity

[digital walrus]

Operation anchorage had lore i loved
Automatron
Bits of point lookout

[digital walrus]

The upper ranks of the legion openly use advanced weapons

[misty yoke]

legion would just torch the strip, or leave a small part of it for their elite. the region would die off if the legion took control of it because of their policies.

[sterile haven]

The story is short for HH i will agree and it's pace is a little slow but the sub plot and the character design of Joshua Graham is peak for me. I say this as a man who doesn't believe in a god.

[restive tiger]

Yeah true they tried to buy energy weapons too

[digital walrus]

Depends if caesar is genuine about his desire for a rome

[velvet cobalt]

Game crashes for me at random
Missing textures all on vanila

[restive tiger]

I don’t really understand Caesar’s motive he seems like a narcissistic larper with no real structure that wants to just conquer to feel good about himself

[ashen sapphire]

they want it for their capital

[atomic cedar]

That's not a gameplay issue

[restive tiger]

Great character

[misty yoke]

you would believe in god if your old pals dipped you in pitch and set you on fire and threw you off the hoover dam and you lived

[digital walrus]

That brain tumour explains a lot

[atomic cedar]

All creation engine games are bugged to hell

[sterile haven]

True lol I have a higher purpose now.

[digital walrus]

Also the legion just loves its sunglasses

[atomic cedar]

I'm sure everyone in the Mojave does

[restive tiger]

I like father Elijah

He my number 1 fr awesome guy

[sterile haven]

He even gave me a free necklace

[restive tiger]

His lore is crazy

Example of new vegas writing being crazy

[digital walrus]

If elijah survived dead money he dead by now age or addictions

[misty yoke]

i feel like elijah is the guy the showrunners tried to emulate with the "quintus" guy, but just fell flat. a crazy, ideological, dangerous guy but hes actually highly intelligent and competent unlike quintus

[restive tiger]

Nah he found thecnology to make himself live forever

[restive tiger]

Yeah and this dude has like 100 pages of lore too

[digital walrus]

Because part of what made elijah so deadly was he was alone and right

[restive tiger]

Bro was in the big mt and met Ulysses

[restive tiger]

Bro just wanted a quiet world

[digital walrus]

Bro survived big mt with arthritis and two known addictions

[restive tiger]

Even with a assassin after him

[digital walrus]

An assassin with a grudge

[restive tiger]

Because he broke up her lesbian love affair

[upper crow]

Just watched the episode... goddammit Coop, you gave the Cold Fusion to the Enclave 😭

[digital walrus]

The president is not part of any deep state (wink)

[west cloud]

Bro didn't just survive Big. MT. He fucking mastered it.

[small flicker]

he talks a lot of shit for being one of the dumber people in the show

[west cloud]

Manhandled the Think Tank in seconds and fucked them over before causing an entire facility in the chaos to go up in flames with train derailmemt and headed out.

[restive tiger]

I love new vegas the characters are crazy and amazing

Hes litteraly just a neurodivergent guy that wants to kill everyone to be alone in the world and it works so well

[sullen moon]

Why do you like todd so much lol constantly mentioning this

[upper crow]

Also that actor uh gonna call him Mr. Crabs cause I don't remember his actual name. He really appears everywhere these days huh 😭

[small flicker]

clancy brown yeah hes in everything

[west cloud]

Elijah is a fucking monster, deranged and obsessive to the point of being dangerous, yet extremely intelligent and perception through the roof.

[sterile haven]

You want a litmus test for real vegas fans?

[west cloud]

Probably spotted the Think Tanks' weaknesses the moment he laid his eyes on them.

[restive tiger]

He’s just acoustic I think it’s so fun. He’s obsessed with thecnology and really hates interacting with people

[digital walrus]

But he is right and can invent

[restive tiger]

Elijah was right guys. He wants a quiet world alone

No more war if everyone is dead

[west cloud]

Likes working with machines more than mankind.

Bad combo with a go-getter attitude like him.

[restive tiger]

He’s litteraly just a self insert of a very autistic person how do people not see it. I think it’s awesome

[west cloud]

Lol. All I know is he was VERY CLOSE to unlocking the power of the Sierra Madre and would've been a world ender if he succeeded.

[small flicker]

where did the topic of elijah even come from

[restive tiger]

Yeah he would have ended all war and suffering

[restive tiger]

Example of why new vegas is so good and deep and the other games aren’t

[small flicker]

oh word

[atomic cedar]

It has nothing to do with Todd lol people are once again making things up to hate for no reason

[west cloud]

Nothing but the quiet stillness of death and the soft gasps from ghosts of the damned.

[small flicker]

the storytelling in 1/2 are actually pretty gripping though icl

[west cloud]

And the eery looming blood red cloud.

[atomic cedar]

Your reddit gold sir

[west cloud]

Sierra tech is just horrifying in every way.

[sullen moon]

Its not a reddit opinion oh my god

[restive tiger]

Yeah 1 and 2 is good to

[sullen moon]

Reddit fallout fan users eat up all fallout media and merch

[atomic cedar]

There's only 1 bad mainline Fallout game

[restive tiger]

I loved fallout 4 it has the bes gameplay of all the games. Probably the best designed game. New vegas has the best designed world however

[misty yoke]

This isn't a controversial opinion at all incase you're unaware, there's a reason most of the lore discussion is not around Bethesda fallouts. House alone has created more discourse than anything in FO3+FO4 combined lorewise most likely.

[west cloud]

Enclave: we got plasma weaponry, armor, and deathclaws.

Elijah: I have death, ghosts and able to truly...wipe the slate clean.

Enclave: I KNEEL.

[small flicker]

3?

[sullen moon]

This is going off track from episode 7 discussion I think

[restive tiger]

Elijah alone would win against the entire enclave

[atomic cedar]

I forgot there's only 3 fallout games

[misty yoke]

Was I talking about FO1+2?

[small flicker]

i wish someone in this server would

[west cloud]

He would. Seriously, he fucking would. The ending with him winning is that he wipes out every army with the Cloud looming over, and holograms disintegrating folks and being invincible as Ghost people drag others into the cloud to become more.

[atomic cedar]

The claim that NV is the only good fallout is a very reddit take

[misty yoke]

I was talking about FO1+2 yesterday, but namely because some guy in this chat was trying to contradict lore from FO2 and claiming that you can't salvage components from wrecked cars in the FO world (you can)

[sullen moon]

Its not its more of a 4chan take

[misty yoke]

Who claimed this? You claimed that NV is overrated, but this is demonstrably false.

[restive tiger]

Not the only good. But the only 3d game with any real depth

[atomic cedar]

When did I say NV was overrated

[misty yoke]

It's consistently on RPG top 10 lists, and has generated more fan discourse than FO3+4 COMBINED

[misty yoke]

.

here.

[atomic cedar]

??

[west cloud]

I think all of the fallouts are fun and got some stuff going on, but I just prefer NV easily over things like 4. Melee combat in NV is just miles better than 4 and I wish thsy improve on it in 5.

[restive tiger]

Yeah there is a reason nobody talks about fallout 3

[misty yoke]

What is your comment supposed to mean then?

[atomic cedar]

^

[misty yoke]

Again, who claimed this?

[atomic cedar]

The comment that this comment was responding to 💀

[misty yoke]

Click on it and reply to it, let's see what you're talking about.

[short wave]

The New Vegas main quest fucking sucks

[misty yoke]

It's great, and a much better model for how an open ended RPG should be made than FO3+4, which aren't open ended at all really.

[short wave]

The main quest just directs you to locations to do THEIR quest instead of having unique things to do

[misty yoke]

There's 3 very obvious unique paths for you right off the bat in goodsprings, you either wander into a random direction, or pick a good or bad karma path with the powder ganger quest.

Each lead to completely unique gameplay compared to FO4 where you run to meet the minutemen regardless.

[atomic cedar]

I need to find Benny so let me ask a guy in novac but first I got to get rid of ghouls but first I got to get rid of nightkin but first I got to get rid of another ghoul but first I have to find his ghoul girlfriend

[west cloud]

I love taking the north path as a vet.

[misty yoke]

Except, you don't actually have to do any of that.

[west cloud]

You can tell when others are inexperienced in that travel vs. Vets playing NV.

[atomic cedar]

If you're playing the game as intended you absolutely are

[sullen moon]

Anyways what did you think of episode 7

[short wave]

You wake up in Goodsprings- Do the Goodsprings quest and fight or defend the town

You head to Primm- Do the Primm quest to save the deputy and put in a new Sheriff

Make your way to Novac- Do the Novac quest because Manny won’t give you information otherwise

Travel to Boulder City and deal with the confrontation that would happen regardless if you’ve already made it to Vegas

Then finally make your way to Freeside and complete the quests there to get enough money

[misty yoke]

You're required to meet the factions in FO4/3 as well unless you read a guide. This isn't revolutionary, but is done much better in NV since the gameplay offered is more unique.

[atomic cedar]

It's still incredibly tedious

[misty yoke]

Actually, not sure you can in FO4. In FO3 however you can straight up run to the VR vault.

[west cloud]

Solid, the NCR PA is interesting, the arm blades make sense, though I think it needs more anti-melee measures.

[short wave]

yeah why would I want to play the game when I can skip the first half of the story through speech checks and running north and bypassing the entire map

[misty yoke]

You can do this in FO3 as well, but I never said you should. Like you shouldn't run straight to San Fran even if you theoretically can.

[west cloud]

F3 is the same. Go to Megaton, get info on pops, go to GNR, get the dish from the muties, go to the vault, get dad, go to rivet city, etc.

And both games allow you to bypass all that.

[short wave]

The difference is that a lot of those quests are unique to the story

[misty yoke]

They're stupid since they're not powered, like super sledges or power fists, so they don't act as force multipliers which PA is all about. It's why PA soldiers carrying small arms in FO3 is so goofy.

[short wave]

The second half of the New Vegas main quest is just telling you to go to a faction location and do their quest

[atomic cedar]

But but it's deep

[sullen moon]

Ohmygod bruh

[restive tiger]

Nah actually not. I tought this to but somehow on one playtrugh I just talked to many and he told me he was at the strip

[misty yoke]

They are less unique than you think. Each playthru offers you the same main quest with minor variance, meanwhile Legion/NCR playthrus are hugely different

This is why the game is praised as a RPG. Player agency.

[thick coral]

3 and NV are telling different stories

[west cloud]

It's clearly not stupid, since the blades are meant as an anti-melee measure, the blades act as a effectice tool to bypass natural armor of an animals hide and muscle, combined with the strength multiplier of the PA to just slice right through.

[atomic cedar]

If you follow the natural progression of the game following quests and listening to NPCs you do

[thick coral]

3 is a personal one and NV is not

[restive tiger]

Yeah first time you play it you go to the repcon place most likely. But that quest was really fun in my opinion

[glass rune]

I think maximus will bring back the mojave ncr

[atomic cedar]

By far the worst part of NV is how much homework you have to do before starting the game knowing all the stats perks special everything otherwise you can easily brick a playthrough

[restive tiger]

I just went in blind had fun

[glass rune]

you literally just need a general idea of what you want to do like most rpgs

[atomic cedar]

The in game descriptions aren't even accurate

[misty yoke]

you might have a point if the blades were strapped to pistons like power fist's plate is, but it's not, so you have less actual force going into the strike so if you get a glancing blow you might not cause any damage for example. meanwhile even if you grace someone with a literal hydraulic ram attached to a power armor arm, you're going to destroy anything it hits.

[glass rune]

cool and? the death dies with I punch it with the power fist

it isnt rocket appliances

[misty yoke]

also a bladed gauntlet has pathetic reach which leaves you open to being grabbed by whatever youre fighting. if you're going to use a non powered melee weapon it better have some reach. just grabbing a bumper sword would already have you better off than crafting this sketchy thing with no reach.

[west cloud]

Hmmm...good point. So while it is effective it is best to consider it "crude" where a proper melee overhaul would be downright devastating.

[atomic cedar]

Are people actually complaining about the blades of the power armor

[glass rune]

tbh the blades would of been better as claws

tekkō-kagi thats the word

[misty yoke]

it also gets caught on the car, meanwhile a melee weapon you can just drop if you need to run away. its actully a liability.

[west cloud]

I think if the armor had proper, solid spikes upon the shoulder and arms, or an electric fence mesh with insulation in the inside, it would be a solid defense against being grabbed, spikes preventing the claws to get a proper grip and punishment on the creature's part with painful stabs, or painful jolts to cause them to lurch back and be open up for follow up hits.

Also missed opportunity to customize the hands to have frigger power fists installed.

[atomic cedar]

It should also have a missile launcher on the back and laser eyes

[west cloud]

Thats ridiculous.

[sudden sand]

And this is why yall aren’t on the show

[atomic cedar]

I thought that was the point

[west cloud]

It's clearly meant to be for melee combat, why the hell would you suggest laser eyes and missile launchers?

[atomic cedar]

Why not

[restive tiger]

Guns and armor is fallout is goofy it does not need to be realistic

[west cloud]

"Oh yeah, metal studs"

"HAHA SO UNREALISTIC"

[glass rune]

I would of gone for spiked boots so your more stable

[sudden sand]

Tbf the back looks like it has a mounting system for 4 style turrets

[maiden sedge]

I just realized dog meat licked thaddeuses wound maybe that’s why he’s turning into a centaur

[misty yoke]

If you want to go full melee then honestly a big ass shield and a super sledge would go a long way, at least a lot longer than whatever that was

[sudden sand]

Just want to add that what yall are suggesting would make it go from feasible to looking a bit ridiculous

[glass rune]

could be cool if thaddeuses gets some death claw dna in his wound

[atomic cedar]

I mean if we're suggesting electro cages why not go the extra mile

[west cloud]

...metal studs on the shoulder and arm wouldn't make it look ridiculous, we have that for proper gear against animal attacks.

[sudden sand]

It would be 3xcelseively edgy whereas what’s there allready works much better

[atomic cedar]

Just wait for the legion power armor

[maiden sedge]

Bro my clock is an hour ahead and thought I missed school

[west cloud]

...edgy?

[sudden sand]

You heard me

[west cloud]

The thought process on metal studs to dissuade grabbing is...edginess

[glass rune]

im curious the ncr helmet on the power armor is it custom made?

[sleek anvil]

Just rewatched episode 7, think it is my favourite of season 2 so far

[sudden sand]

There’s allready sharpened ridges to prevent grabbing

Which works way better and doesn’t look like a 16 year old drew it up in the middle of a Spanish class

[sudden sand]

It would have to be, it doesn’t fit the structure of any of the existing helmets.

[glass rune]

could be a custom prison riot power armor

[sudden sand]

They likely took the internal electronics of an existing helmet and repurposed them for a custom made one. For brand recognition

It’s doubtful it has a visor like the t60 and 45 do. And it would fuck with the helemts separate dome. So no need to worry about that part of it

The inbuilt air filter is even bigger (even tho we don’t see any sort of system to seal the persons head against the atmosphere or their body.)

Considering there’s supposed to have been a power armoured presence on the moon in a fight I’d assume that’s something they’d need to refit them with

[west cloud]

sharpened ridges didn't prevent anything, we see in the trailer that a deathclaw does bite down upon it. It's clearly not enough to dissuade from attacking, or attempting to grapple, but the thing is Maximus is getting in close and shoving them around to prevent them as such.

[zinc hound]

The HUD? Seems like it does. But if u mean how actually Max saw with the lens then idk

[sudden sand]

My
Dude

Spikes wouldn’t prevent them from biting either. This is deathclaws

[sudden sand]

No the visor

Flipping up and down

[zinc hound]

Oh right

[west cloud]

sharp points they're forcibly pushing themselves onto?

[zinc hound]

The armor was so cool

[sudden sand]

On the shows version of t45 and t60 you can kinda see the outline of where it separates from the main helmet in order to actually be separated. there’s nothing showing that on the ncr helmet which suggests it doesn’t have that function, likely doesn’t need to

[remote mortar]

There’s a red “screen glow” on Max’s face. That IMHO suggests a HUD.

[zinc hound]

Yeah, I loved that tho

[remote mortar]

Oh no, it’s cool as hell.

It was also extremely meta. Why is there this badass NCR Ranger PA?

“Brand recognition.”

[sudden sand]

It’s funny that it’s specifically the helmet

[remote mortar]

IT LOOKS LIKE THE GUY ON THE VIDEO GAME

[sudden sand]

-power armoured dude strolling down free side to the strip- we sleep

• ranger helmeted power armour dude strolling down free side to the strip - REAL SHIT

[west cloud]

brand recognition makes sense, they did the same shit in NV with painting the salvaged armors with NCR logos and crap.

[sudden sand]

Ahhh, a platypus

https://tenor.com/view/perry-the-platypus-phineas-and-ferb-gif-24637865

Ahhh NCR PLATYPUS

[zinc hound]

That's some real badassery

[west cloud]

the PA is just an even bigger signifier that were actually working and setting up a proper 'icon' for people to look at.

[sudden sand]

Presumably the suit had seem some conflict since they knew what it was

[zinc hound]

You know what? It they make Max a NCR leader in fallout 5, I'll bite it like a good buyer

[sudden sand]

Though it’s been abandoned long enough to be covered in spiderwebs l and it’s not even locked up or anything

[west cloud]

considering they went out of their way to make a custom made helmet, and frankenstein their own PA model out of T-45 and T-60, and apparently even fixed up the issues the T-45 had.

[sudden sand]

I don’t think max wants to be a leader. He wants to be on the ground helping

[zinc hound]

If enough years pass, he would be one. He's still Young and naive

[west cloud]

Max wants to represent and help. That's it. He knows the BoS is shit and falling apart in it's own madness, and wants to help folks.

[zinc hound]

Not so naive now. But not much sharp like he would be older

[sudden sand]

Some people do not seek leadership, they have it thrust upon them

(Me forcing Danse to be the new elder after he finds out he is what he’s hated and I’ve killed maxson)

[zinc hound]

Fair enough, I'd love that too. I just love max

[west cloud]

also these D.claws are not as smart as their 4 counterpart.

[sudden sand]

How so

[west cloud]

easy, for starters, the one going after cooper isn't just closing the distance as quickly as possible to finish him, isn't using the vehicle as a weapon against Maximus (I guess some folks don't know that D.claws in 4 can literally yeet cars at you on purpose and with surprising accuracy) or bob and weave to avoid getting hit.

[maiden sedge]

There FEV. To put into the water chip for vault 33 in the box

[sudden sand]

I think that suggests they are controlled

It would also explain why one was seemingly biting at a dead one, either it broke free or resisted and got head kablooey, or was breaking free and the other was made to kill it

They’re all siblings and it doesn’t make sense to eat each other for food ,especially since they are super pack orientated and have crude morals towards that even as non speaking d3athclaws

[west cloud]

being mind controlled is probably the best outcome, because some of their actions are...kind of un-deathclaw, in a sense.

[sudden sand]

I mean deathclaws are deathclaw , Who’s to Say west coast ones havnt figured out they can throw cars like guided missiles yet

That would fit given they can’t in nv

[west cloud]

even wild deathclaws. Unless the show is trying to make it out they're not as bright as folks claim they are (intelligence of 8 year olds, which makes sense in 4, we literally see them going "ah yeah? Eat this" and yeet a car at you or throw sand in your eyes to mess with your aim)

[sudden sand]

POCKET SAND , POCKET SAND. EAT THIS

[west cloud]

me trying to aim at the claw
Claw: POCKET SAND, SCREEN SHAKE
YOU SONUVAB-

[sudden sand]

Omg there has to be a mod to add them yelling pocket sand

Why isn’t there. There’s one to add in a suplex animation for them

[west cloud]

seeing them pocket sand is the most hilarious shit. Watching npcs get staggered by it before they get the follow-up dunk is amazing.

I tip my hat to 4's claws when they actually do their zany attacks

[sudden sand]

The first time I encountered an alpha after adding on 20 difficulty and qol mods for deathclaws I instantly got suplexed

They’re now twice as fast, can dodge , are near silent when not vocalizing. Have like 10x as much health. Spawn in packs. Have scarier vocalizations when they aggro on you.

[west cloud]

I need to add Deathclaw pack mods for 4 so I can see an entire family just pocket sanding and bobbing and weaving as one tries to flank to go for the suplex.

[sudden sand]

Also the textures are miles better and they have actual scaled skin

[west cloud]

"Clever gi-OHHH SHIT"

[sudden sand]

Added eye glows too and wounded horns

I am holding out hope this deathclaw design will be used for the games going forwards cus its the perfect culmination

[cobalt phoenix]

My first reaction was maybe they were placed there purposely, but i think they mentioned them moving from quarry junction

[west cloud]

the bartender claims they're the same pack that moved in from quarry junction.

[remote mortar]

It’s said they came in from QJ, yeah.

[sudden sand]

They may have been pushed out of quarry (that was soemthing we can do) and then come over tot the strip

[remote mortar]

Bartender Ebra-From-The Bear says so anyway.

[sudden sand]

Either seeking justice or just cus

[west cloud]

the thing is, that doesn't make sense, because Deathclaws generally HATE being by human settlements.

[remote mortar]

But it’s also plausible that Hank or whoever activated a Deathclaw Dogwhistle.

[sudden sand]

They hate humans killing them more

[remote mortar]

“Pheromone generator” or some such.

[sudden sand]

The deathclaw in the museum in 4 tracked the group who stole her egg for ages

[west cloud]

loud noises, guns, explosives is just big nono for a predator. They wanna live and hunt, not be blown up instantly, so it makes sense they would shy away from areas with major human settlements.

or human activity. However, once they settle in, they take their territory seriously.

[remote mortar]

They also don’t really seem to be able to leave. Or want to. Jump the damn fence lol

[sudden sand]

From their point of view they went basically unchallenged, and then these noisy fucks with big boom guns start taking more and more land and taking all the food animals

They never specifically targeted settlements in the early games, only barhmin caravans to take the Brahmin, the humans on them just got unlucky

[west cloud]

IKR? They got claws that easily punch through concrete, and the muscle, but you're telling me they can't climb? Motherfuckers got TOE BEANS

[sudden sand]

Another point towards them being controlled

[west cloud]

yeah, I think if they were wild, they would've left LONG ago

[sudden sand]

Though really they’re smart enough to know they dont need to break the gate down. People stay away out of fear. And any dumbasses who do come into the strip can be taken care of or scared off easily

[west cloud]

probably head over to near Jacobstown to hunt Bighorner go eastern and hunt gecko/big horners and bully nightstalkers.

[sudden sand]

In 4 detahclaws typically don’t chase the player charactor. Once you get a certain distance away they stop caring

Thought it was pretty cool to see them do the 4 behavior too where they grab at their chest and leg when crippled.

[remote mortar]

Idk how much food a deathclaw requires. That’s the biggest question imo

What are they eating?

[sudden sand]

Tbf idk if we know they need that much food. This isn’t real life

[west cloud]

Geckos, Bighorners, Nightstalkers, the occassional wastelander idiot that rolls into their territory.

biggest threat to them is cazadors, the true fucking evil of the Mojave.

[remote mortar]

I mean yeah the cube square law clearly doesn’t really apply here but those things are big and fast.

[sudden sand]

They may feed off latent radiation when there aren’t lots of food sources

[west cloud]

still amazed we don't see them ANYWHERE in the show.

[sudden sand]

No see that’s because they got stealth tech

[remote mortar]

I’ll allow it.

[west cloud]

episode 8 ends with everyone hearing soft fluttering of wings, turning slowly to only see orange in their eyes before fade to black

GG Cazadors.

[sudden sand]

Was gonna say max will be fine, but we now know he exits the Armour

[west cloud]

Deathclaws seem to place themselves near spots with a large amount of game. Fire Geckos with huge amounts of meat, scores of bighorner familys grazing, and some bugs to consume

[silver falcon]

try the baggers, you go through years and years of trying to fix the ZAX machine, and all it does is give you minor buffs 😭

[west cloud]

and of course, they're also by large bodies of water, at least in the game.

[silver falcon]

season 8 😱

[west cloud]

I'm tired shut it.

[silver falcon]

nah episode 8 is gonna end with hank dying and house telling walton goggins who was behind the nukes (the enclave)

then him and lucy are gonna meet up and say like "we have to travel to the east coast!"

then season 3 is gonna start with them near the outskirts of the capital

[west cloud]

Quarry junction has a solid lake nearby red rock, so it's not that far for a Deathclaw to roam over and get a drink, the Railyard the Claws like to hang on the eastern side also has a massive reservoir of water.

[urban mantle]

Please god no

[west cloud]

Strip is...odd, further supporting the mind controlling.

[silver falcon]

okay but like how the fuck did the deathclaws not break into freeside

[west cloud]

no fucking clue.

[urban mantle]

Dead center of Vegas is good for urban ambushes, freeside is probably very dangerous by night

[white shard]

This took me out lol

[west cloud]

the gate clearly wouldn't hold them back.

[silver falcon]

yea exactly

[white shard]

Headphone warning btw

[west cloud]

lmfao, the thousand yard stare comes to mind.

[remote mortar]

He’s Mr. Krabs… he’s also Lex Luthor in the DC w stuff.

[white shard]

And Colonel Scoonover in Punisher and Lt Hank from Detroit Become Human!

[silk crag]

Courier 6 was finally mentioned 🗣️

[white shard]

Was he?

[remote mortar]

Like SHIT FUCK DON’T TRUST HIM HE HASNT BEEN A GOOD GUY SINCE BUCKAROO BANZAI

[silver falcon]

i was gonna say i wish it was jk simmons as the president so we could say it was dick dickson but.. fallout 2 takes place like nearly a hundred years after the nukes fell

[silent scarab]

no

[silk crag]

when they go to the NCR storehouse they talk about a person who took over the strip by themself, it was an off comment but Im sure they were talking about Courier 6

[remote mortar]

I think he meant House.

[west cloud]

I'm pretty sure that's House.

[silver falcon]

"always wins"? thats house

[urban mantle]

He was talking about house for sure

[white shard]

I must have missed that, nice catch!

[silver falcon]

the house always wins

[remote mortar]

Coop doesn’t know about C6.

[silk crag]

House owned the strip, Courier took it over

[urban mantle]

House owns the strip

[silver falcon]

i honestly dont think so

[remote mortar]

The timelines don’t work.

[white shard]

As soon as I heard "I can get you with the President" I felt like Coop from Interstellar "NO COOP DONT MEET HIM HES EVIL COOP NOOOO"

[urban mantle]

As in actively
Cooper is also aiming to deal with house

[remote mortar]

I liked House’s dead robot girlfriend being there in the penthouse tho.

[west cloud]

"The House Always Wins" got the same energy as "Nobody screws with the wall!" from amanda waller.

[silver falcon]

besides im pretty sure walton goggins was underground during the whole events of new vegas and the courier

[west cloud]

massive aura vibes.

[silent scarab]

We don’t know that

[white shard]

People theorize that its Yes Man but I think this is more correct

[remote mortar]

It’s probably not important, ultimately, but it’s a nice touch.

[white shard]

The writers have said confidently they havent followed an ending but mixed it up and its def got elements of different endings

[urban mantle]

Unfortunately house being alive is mutually exclusive with 3 of the 4 endings

[white shard]

Like the Kings would only still be around/ghouls now if House sides w the NCR. iirc thats the only ending the Kings are left alone after the Dam

[remote mortar]

That’s increasingly obvious IMHO. I don’t know to what extent that was a Bethesda request or was just the writers not wanting to be handcuffed to the game, but either way I don’t think the show is going to come down on a “canon” ending for FONV.

[silver falcon]

"in all my years ive only seen one man come out on top in vegas"
"we gotta do it like he did"
"rig the game"

hes talking about house, yeah

[white shard]

Definitely not but I personally like this avenue bc its already shown and produced some cool easter eggs and scenes

[west cloud]

yeah, I'm 100% sure the Courier just delivered the chip, helped with installing it, and then fucked off after getting paid.

[white shard]

Like you can see a little bit of everything

[silver falcon]

thats my headcanon

[white shard]

"Later Bobby gonna go get kicked out of the casinos"

[silver falcon]

giving a canon ending as to which side the courier took is a bad idea

[remote mortar]

I know enough about writing for licensed media franchises to know that the writers hate it when the rights holders come in and tell them how they have to do shit.

And yeah, this leaves everyone’s FONV experience open in a “well, what you did in the game fundamentally changes the world. The shit in the show won’t happen now. You broke the weave of fate or whatever.”

[silver falcon]

except for like maybe the house ending, maybe

[west cloud]

wasn't interested in the politics, just wanted to get paid and do his own thing, probably travel across the wastes with more deliveries

[urban mantle]

It's safe to assume the epilogues don't really matter given shady sands being destroyed would completely rewrite subsequent events

For game related content itself though we're down to either a new ending or a variation on a house ending

[west cloud]

definitely a variation of the House ending, IMHO. House won, but it didn't go as he planned.

[remote mortar]

I openly reject the “but but but this means what you did when you played FONV doesn’t matter!” complaint. The game is, was, and continues to be replayable. The first time you played, Courier Six fell off a fucking roof and died or whatever.

[white shard]

I agree bc to bomb the NCR capital vs the Long 15 is wayyyyyyy more serious 😂

[west cloud]

19 years and everything went bad luck for the House.

[white shard]

All because of Cooper

[silver falcon]

bethesda*

[remote mortar]

He gets to try again now, tho.

[west cloud]

true. Cooper is gonna have to live with that burden...and when he travels down that road, he'll walk it....alone.

to carry that burden on his back for the rest of his days.

[remote mortar]

It’s unclear to me if House is actually still in his little chamber or if he’s now an AI in the computer, tho. I’m leaning the latter.

[white shard]

He is the reason the bombs fell early. He didnt know but he is the catalyst that House refers to, by handing CF over to the POTUS it massively wrecked the calculator

[maiden sedge]

It’s peak

[remote mortar]

It’s a nice way to build out the edges of the world, yeah.

[silver falcon]

former for me, the ai thing is too cheap

[west cloud]

he gave the Enclave everything they were seeking out.

[white shard]

His redemption is gonna be so nice, when he smiled at Max for helping Lucy it felt like fresh air for him

[west cloud]

which is unlimited energy.

[remote mortar]

Also, IIRC the only thing we know about the President pre-war was… “he disappeared from public sight a few days before the bombs dropped” yeah? That’s in some FO4 terminals?

[remote mortar]

It tracks, tho - he has backup plans and IIRC the robot girlfriends were brain tape backups of actual women?

[white shard]

Im sure a lot is explained ab him in FO2 but yeah we just know he escaped to his oil rig with time to spare before the bombs fell

[remote mortar]

I don’t think the at-the-time POTUS is discussed much in 2 but it’s been a very very very long time since I touched it.

[maiden sedge]

I’m pretty sure it’s a few months and he made it to oil rig

[remote mortar]

Yeah, hes locked down, we knew that. How much he knew and what role he played has never IIRC been openly discussed.

[white shard]

Idk I think this is supposed to be Pres Richardson himself they just didnt make him balding

[west cloud]

wonder if the head honchos of enclave pushed for the war once they got their hands on CF so hard, they didn't care some of them died in the upcoming nuclear shitshow

[remote mortar]

Even when you’re in the Enclave bunker in 76.

[digital walrus]

I am guessing the enclave president had good approval in his time for coop to not be sus

[urban mantle]

This seems unlikely that would've meant he aged very gracefully for someone who's lived like 160 years

[remote mortar]

Coop is still naive enough to believe in America at that point.

[digital walrus]

They got taken too off guard

[white shard]

My guess is that the Enclave puppeteered pre-war America too

Well obviously so they did w VT

[silver falcon]

nah thats not dick dickson

[digital walrus]

Thats not a guess its fact the last cabinet was enclave members

[remote mortar]

Congressperson Felldownstairs tho… she’s a patsy?

[silver falcon]

wha

[white shard]

No just a naive pawn

[remote mortar]

Same difference I think - she got played.

[digital walrus]

76 confirms most if not all the cabinet of the united states were members

[white shard]

I bet they were on Cooper since the VA meeting

Wtf happened to Whiteknife!?!?

[remote mortar]

It depends on how LOL ENCLAVE they wanna get - they may have been on Moldaver all along.

[digital walrus]

Big mt or another internment camp

[maiden sedge]

Guys does anyone like my theory that since dog meat licked Thaddeuses open wound and soon after he took the fev its why he’s turning into a centaur?

Also does anyone else think Steph is going to put FEV in the vault 33 water supply

[digital walrus]

Plausible given his mutations and coops ease

[urban mantle]

Doubt it but idk

[white shard]

How would you guys feel if FO5 or the next installment took place in northern USA/Canadian border. Did anybody else see the "Big 51" sign in the credits? Is that ever referenced in thecgames?

[remote mortar]

I don’t know that he’s turning into anything in particular but I don’t see why not…

And yeah, Steph is definitely gonna spike the V33 water supply with FEV.

[digital walrus]

Where would she get fev and if out the box why did hank have it, he was not a senior buds bud

[urban mantle]

I don't even think Steph knows about FEV

[digital walrus]

I don’t think hank had it

[remote mortar]

What else could possibly be in that box of Hank’s?

[urban mantle]

Personal keepsakes

[remote mortar]

Given how hard they’re setting up FEV in the plot so far.

[urban mantle]

Old love letters, momentos, a gun

[white shard]

Betty seemed confused so its definitely something only Hank knows about

[urban mantle]

We just don't know but there's no reason it would be FEV

[digital walrus]

Override codes

[maiden sedge]

Well we don’t know if he was and also if you think about it Hank had a way more important role in vault tec than any other buds bud Hank worked under barb

[remote mortar]

They’re actively telegraphing it with the terminal entries and Norm freaking out and Ron Perlman.

[digital walrus]

No that we see hank was no more special than betty

[remote mortar]

Hank is prrrrrrrobably Enclave on some level.

[maiden sedge]

Or maybe Hank is working for the enclave and this is one of there experiences

[urban mantle]

Confusing two different plots

Hank is also a rogue agent at this point, he's operating on his own agenda unassisted

[digital walrus]

Fev plot yes but i don’t think hank would have been the one to have it, that would have been bud the one with west tek connections

[remote mortar]

I don’t think so. It’s pretty clearly implied this week that Hank gets Steph into VT. How much she knows about what he’s up to? Dunno.

[maiden sedge]

He literally contacted someone in the first episode I thought it was house now I’m not so sure

[digital walrus]

Can someone give me a legit reason they think hank would have fev

[urban mantle]

I assumed they had a pre war relationship of some sort

[urban mantle]

It was absolutely unequivocally house the enclave references make no sense if they're supposed to be directed at Hank

[remote mortar]

They obviously did - Coop tells her to talk to Hank to get a job at VT. I would not be surprised if they reveal that Hank and Steph were fucking on the side. They don’t have to be, but it would not surprise me.

[maiden sedge]

Experiment in vault 33 it also ties into what’s being foreshadowed by norm finding FEV on the computer there would be no reason to show FEV unless it was going to play a part in this season which is FEV being spiked into the water supply which is the experiment

[digital walrus]

Bud would have it, as overseer and the one with connections to west tek

[remote mortar]

Right - FEV into the vaults is “phase two”’of the experiment. Bud never got around to implementing it.

[maiden sedge]

You’ll all see I swear to god I’m right

[urban mantle]

Vaults 31-33 are less experimental and more creating a workforce

[digital walrus]

That leans more to bud having it

[maiden sedge]

Or maybe he kept it in the safe in vault 33 he gave it to Hank to store so he could implement it into the water supply

It’s not exactly like bud could scurry into vault 33 and spike the water

[urban mantle]

Why

[maiden sedge]

Well norm clearly knows there’s something going to happen to there vault

[urban mantle]

Bud was playing the long game there's no reason they'd go topside this early

[silk crag]

just finished Episode 7 and the Ghoul was DEF talking about the Courier 😭 🙏 idk what yall mean but it def looks like the ghoul brought up the Courier besting the house when he was looking at the NCR

[remote mortar]

Exactly how Hank has it? IDK. TBD. But that’s what’s in the box.

I don’t know that Steph knows it’s FEV per se or just “poison” but she’s gonna try to poison 33 for sure.

[maiden sedge]

This is the long game it’s been 200 years

[visual echo]

I wonder if the show will mention anything at all about tel Aviv being nuked prewar as well a the middle east and Europe descending into limited nuclear exchanges

[urban mantle]

And we've got people to spare in cryostasis

[digital walrus]

No but likely 31 links to 32/33 and could release it that way

[urban mantle]

At least until norm destroyed the plan

[silver falcon]

?? house rigged the game because hes THE HOUSE, like in casino terms? the NCR power armour has nothing to do with it

[digital walrus]

Thats already happened in the time line

[remote mortar]

Turning her neighbors into super mutants would be extremely dumb but just poisoning their water supply?

[maiden sedge]

Maybe they are to overlook the operation with bud or they are more overseers for vault 32

[visual echo]

Ok and?

[maiden sedge]

I mean that one guy who choked norm out knew there’s a phase 2

[silver falcon]

hes saying they're ALSO going to rig the game (by using the power armour to cut through the deathclaws and GET TO HOUSE)

[visual echo]

Canada being annexed already happened we still saw that lol

[urban mantle]

Most of the people in cryostasis never went into use

[digital walrus]

Like 10/20 years prior

[visual echo]

And that doesn't matter

[urban mantle]

That one guy was bud's personal assistant which they make a point of

[digital walrus]

Canada was annexed as some of the flashbacks happen

[maiden sedge]

The guy who was buds assistant knew about phase 2 so they probably play a bigger role

[digital walrus]

Ronnie is more likely to have fev than hank, he was at least buds man

[urban mantle]

He is also seemingly the only one who knows about phase 2 at this point

[silver falcon]

fyi canada was annexed AFTER the alaska conflict

[visual echo]

No it wasn't it was already annexed fully in Steph's flashback, you think they just started the invasion and already had concentration camps set up to mine uranium? Pay attention

[remote mortar]

Ronnie at least knows something. I think Hank has it (or had it) but maybe doesn’t know what it actually is or does.

[digital walrus]

But the nukes were 2050

[silk crag]

“Ive only ever seen one man come out on top in vegas” “we got to do it like he did” House didnt take the strip be force because he already owned the strip, he is likely mentioning the Courier taking the strip otherwise he wouldnt say “we gotta TAKE it like he did”

[maiden sedge]

Maybe he is supposed to lead the operation along side bud

[urban mantle]

"We gotta do it like he did"

[visual echo]

Who gives a fuck when it happens lmao like what,

[remote mortar]

FEV is almost certainly what’s in that box. Whether they know what it does, i dunno.

[maiden sedge]

He leads along side bud because bud obviously needs someone who’s still human along side him he chose his assistant

[urban mantle]

He didn't say we gotta take it like he did iirc

[visual echo]

We already seen news reports in the show of events during the war they could easily show it

[remote mortar]

Hank has been trusted to carry precious cargo before. They let him be the CF mule.

[maiden sedge]

Also did anyone else notice how Hank says “I wish things were different for us”

[urban mantle]

Maybe, he didn't seem to know too much about the plan either but it's a possibility

[silk crag]

same thing, but hes talking about rushing and taking the strip, not pre owning the strip, and the other argument that House rigged the game is false and makes me question of mfs played the game because you can intentionally rig the game to take the strip as Courier

[maiden sedge]

What does IIRC mean

[silver falcon]

theres literally nothing TAKING vegas, what are you talking about?

house came out on top especially in vegas because he protected it from the nukes and uploaded himself into a terminal/the securitrons

[urban mantle]

They didn't rush and take the strip though

[maiden sedge]

Awesome username

[silver falcon]

theres literally nothing about the courier here, you're grasping at straws

[remote mortar]

(I unironically loved the part where Hank gets to teach Lucy how to drive. I’m doing that with my kid right now and it’s way less sinister but man, what a great scene.)

[remote mortar]

If I Recall Correctly.

[silver falcon]

also LITERALLY house is on top of vegas (the lucky 38)

[urban mantle]

Also yes house did quite literally rig the game in his favor he filled the Mojave with securitrons only he can control out of an impenetrable tower only he can grant access to

[silk crag]

they def went and rushed the strip killing the death claws, its clear House inevitably lost to someone since he and his army are all dead

[digital walrus]

Actually to get her job i am kinda thinking steph seduced hank

[silk crag]

thx 🙏

[maiden sedge]

I thought it was sad because it shows Hank still wanted to have a daughter who he could bond with and do pre war things with like show how to drive

[urban mantle]

The only reason he can lose in NV is because of the courier being introduced to the board as a little chaos goblin without any practical limitations whatsoever

You are making assumptions about what happened ingame when in actuality house would be fully and completely dead if house didn't win NV because he does in fact die in every single other ending

[digital walrus]

Of all people hank to me is the least likely to have fev

[silk crag]

yeah but to have lost meant someone took him down and the only viable option would be the protagonist of NV

[urban mantle]

We don't know that he lost

[silver falcon]

the protagonist doesnt nuke shady sands and collapse the NCR ingame, so why does it happen in the show

[urban mantle]

We don't know that he was taken down even

[silk crag]

but theres a big emphasis that some single person went and took him down

[silver falcon]

not really

[urban mantle]

This is only true if you read that to be talking about someone other than house which there is no particular reason to do

[silk crag]

😭 dude delete ts this might be the dumbest argument Ive ever heard are you dumb, Vaultec nuked Shady Sands after NV, and the NCR was always on the brink of collapse

[urban mantle]

If I remember correctly

[silver falcon]

"yeah but to have lost meant someone took him down and the only viable option would be the protagonist of NV"

[urban mantle]

Sarcasm

[digital walrus]

I think norm could end dunked in fev

[remote mortar]

Oh yeah, it’s sad - it’s also really compelling that both Hank and Coop are trying to protect their daughters in their own weird-ass ways.

[silver falcon]

bro doesnt realize things happen OUTSIDE the games

[digital walrus]

So personal theory only janey is in cryo not barb

[visual echo]

Maybe they're robo brains

[remote mortar]

Hank has the FEV but that’s where he drew the line. He’s not going to use it on the vault while Lucy is there. (Fuck Norm I guess lol)

Steph has no such concern.

[digital walrus]

Still an improvement on bud

[digital walrus]

I would prefer she use it on herself

[urban mantle]

Just doesn't make sense for him to have it

[silver falcon]

the FEV thing for the vaults is just messy lore in general

[urban mantle]

They aren't at that stage in the plan, Hank is not closely associated to bud

[maiden sedge]

We’ll have to wait and see if could go both ways

[silver falcon]

my headcanon is that the "super managers" thing wasnt quite so literal when it came to the manager part

not the kind that sits at desks anyways

[digital walrus]

Given fev is phase 2 i think its been held elsewhere

[urban mantle]

If FEV is gonna come up anywhere it's gonna come up with the surface party

Seeing as they're the only ones who it's come up with (besides the super mutant)

[remote mortar]

1: Hank has been shown being used to smuggle tech already (even if he lost it)

2: what else would be in the box that’s so important?

3: They’re setting up FEV way too hard for it not to be coming.

4: yeah, “super managers” and whatever “FEV” that Ronnie mentioned.

5: FEVing the vault dwellers is what happens in the event of Bud’s death. It’s Phase 2.

[silver falcon]

also apperantly super mutants some-what have the same kind of immortality as ghouls too

except when they get older, they become dumber

[urban mantle]

Why does the thing in the box need to be important? Why would phase 2 be a contingency for bud's death (why wouldn't bud's assistant know something was fishy if it was?)?

[remote mortar]

Chekhov’s Gun. “If you introduce a gun in act one of the play, that gun will be fired in act three.”

[urban mantle]

The group aboveground has business relating to FEV but the people belowground don't even know that 31 has gone topside

[maiden sedge]

What do u think is in the box

[urban mantle]

Personal shit

[silent scarab]

I think it’s a plot device

[remote mortar]

Then why does Steph want it?

[urban mantle]

As in, stuff that is not important but holds emotional value to Steph

[maiden sedge]

Then why would Steph want it

[silent scarab]

It’s not Steph’s box it’s something of legitimate value

[urban mantle]

It's Hank's box which Steph somehow knows about (that the other vault 31 people don't know about)
Given the fact that they evidently had some pre war connection it very definitely could be some form of momento

[silent scarab]

That she needed to trade half her water for?

[urban mantle]

Besides that it's impossible to say what's in the box with how little information we have on it but that lack of information doesn't mean we need to be drawing on a different mostly detached plotline for it

[silent scarab]

If it was just a memento she could have just waited for them to for of thirst and gotten it

[urban mantle]

She doesn't need to do anything

Her motives do not need to be rational and objectively well formulated

[remote mortar]

Steph is maybe the most cold-blooded character in the entire show, man.

[silent scarab]

They wouldnt make it a critical plot moment if it was just some Polaroids

[digital walrus]

Again i think steph seduced hank to get into vault tec

[visual echo]

Why'd they have to kill Woody, I liked him 🙁

[merry jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/whats-in-the-box-question-scared-gif-7636371

[visual echo]

Reminded me of my irl friend lol

[merry jolt]

WHATS IN THE BOX

[silent scarab]

Didn’t we decide yesterday that friends aren’t real?

[digital walrus]

He knew to much

[urban mantle]

Her activity in the first season consists of her being emotionally scarred and most of what we see of her in season 2 has emphasized that she doesn't begrudge violence but still wants to secure something comfortable

[silver falcon]

i hope she opens the box and its just a fucking banana inside

[remote mortar]

And that she will do anything to stay alive.

Compare how she treats “Chet Jr” vs how Hank treats Lucy.

The baby is a means to an end. Chet is a means to an end. Killing everyone in 33 is a means to an end.

[urban mantle]

Staying alive doesn't need to be the singular driving force behind her actions though

[silent scarab]

Hank didn’t Carry Lucy for weeks after his wife died violently

[remote mortar]

No, but it sure does seem to be!

[urban mantle]

Not really? In season 1 her primary concern seems to be trying to get her dead husband back

[digital walrus]

Her child is the puzzle to me

[silk crag]

Anyways, NCR been aura farming so hard I might have to switch teams

[remote mortar]

Hot take: It’s Hank’s.

[urban mantle]

In season 2 her situation is different and weird but overall she seems intent to maintain her idealized community vision

[digital walrus]

She values it but also is completely unmaternal

[silver falcon]

she gets exposed as canadian, she takes the FEV box to leave to the surface, promising water to the awake 31 management and leaves to find live wastelanders to test the FEV on instead of the vault dwellers, since noone trusts her anymore and is hostile towards her, (32 situation)

am i getting this straight? this vault lore is really messy

[remote mortar]

She hasn’t even bothered to name the kid. She just let everyone else call it Chet Jr.

[digital walrus]

Brets death or hanks abduction broke or reawoke something with her because prior to lucys wedding she was stable

[urban mantle]

This is making so many assumptions and connections which we have absolutely no reason to make

[remote mortar]

She’s locked in the Overseer’s office with the FEV.

[silent scarab]

Obviously Steph is insane but people here clearly haven’t experienced post partum depression

[silver falcon]

the vault tec lore really doesnt interest me one bit

i havent been following half of it

[digital walrus]

I think the break happened before her kid

[urban mantle]

She's locked somewhere with something, she doesn't know the vault 31 people went to the surface and she does know that the surface is not safe

[silent scarab]

Completely stable and happy women have murdered their babies because of post partum

[remote mortar]

That’s a legit read, yeah. But the backstory this episode does inform a lot of what she’s about.

She straight up murders that guy to steal his truck in the flashback.

[silver falcon]

the border inspection guy

[remote mortar]

I don’t think she’s a “sociopath” per se, but she also would have made a very good Raider.

[silent scarab]

Oh yeah she’s capable of insanity but to be fair she just escaped from Auschwitz

[remote mortar]

She kills two guys. The border guard and then the guy she sneaks up on and slits his throat. That dude was just standing around.

[digital walrus]

Was it a mining camp? As some say

[silver falcon]

oh right

[urban mantle]

It was an internment camp which probably means a mining camp

[silent scarab]

Interment camp, it was a concentration camp likely with forced labor

[west cloud]

feel bad for Lucy's brother...

[silver falcon]

straight up calling it an "internment camp" miiiight just be a little bit of bad optics for the soldier though 🤣

then again shes already IN IT so

[remote mortar]

And look, everyone on this server knows what happens when the vault dwellers trap an overseer in their office.

It is never, ever, good.

[digital walrus]

I wonder was this just american cruelty or a response to canadian rebels (neithers justified just want context)

[silent scarab]

Both

[remote mortar]

Hahah. Had to make it clear to the audience what is happening, tho.

[silver falcon]

speaking of, who killed the 32 overseer? was it the dwellers?

[digital walrus]

See fallout one intro for how the canadians were treated

[urban mantle]

Yes most likely

[silent scarab]

The rebels were justified but the camps are a reaction of that

[remote mortar]

IIRC the 32 overseer killed themself?

[urban mantle]

I think 32 had a rebellion and then something like hallucigen gas circulated

[remote mortar]

But it was the consequence of an uprising.

[digital walrus]

Dwellers a civil war follows and then some contingency kills the ones breaking into 31

[silent scarab]

Like Steph isn’t a good person but the only kill I judge her for is the guy from severance

[silver falcon]

no no, hes tied down and theres anti-management graffiti on the wall, so probably the dwellers?

[digital walrus]

I agree since the ones breaking into 31 also died

[remote mortar]

You’re right. I get all the awful shit that goes down in vaults confused sometimes.

[urban mantle]

There seem to be some automated functions in vault 32 we don't know about yet

[digital walrus]

Maybe thats what hank has the hallucigen gas

[silver falcon]

I JUST REALIZED DYLAN AND WOODY ARE PLAYED BY THE SAME ACTOR

[digital walrus]

33 probably has them
Why do you think that btw

[urban mantle]

33 should definitely have them too
I don't think the cleanup was all done by the two active 31ers overnight

[digital walrus]

I personally think bud had kill switches in both vaults operable from 31

[urban mantle]

Most likely

[digital walrus]

Hence why the rebels trying to take the door died when really no one was left to oppose, also some of the deaths remind me of halucigens gas

[silent scarab]

See it’s hard to guess what Hank has in his box because he’s such a nobody

Pre war he does nothing important but fuck up and get drunk

[urban mantle]

It's probably something boring

[silent scarab]

Then why give it like 5 whole minutes of screen time

[digital walrus]

Could be as simple as a door override to allow him to leave unnoticed

[silent scarab]

That’s not a thing you do

[urban mantle]

Who's to say
Difficult to predict where the plot is going as this season has very well shown

[digital walrus]

Also hank likely has held onto a black box which he used

Hank having overides for the vault doors is my guess

[visual echo]

That wasn't me lol

[silent scarab]

I was just joking with you lol

[silent scarab]

It’s gotta be something important to give it this much screen time

[digital walrus]

I wonder how the canada thing panned out it presumably started with men and equipment moving to alska

[visual echo]

It's probably something important to Steph

[digital walrus]

Like what line did america cross to provoke candanian resistance and then it escalate from there to where we see it

[silent scarab]

Invading their country

That’s enough reason

[remote mortar]

He’s the mule for cold fusion!

[silent scarab]

And he fucks it up by getting drunk

[digital walrus]

Again surely this just started with moving from america to alaska, what point did america think oh we need more

[remote mortar]

Correct, but it’s setting something up.

[silent scarab]

Because they wanted Canada’s limited resources

And unlimited access to move troops anywhere they wanted

[remote mortar]

And boy, not to get into The Current State of Affairs, but all the “occupied Canada” stuff is uh…

[silver falcon]

lets not forget that the government WAS controlled by the enclave

[silent scarab]

Topical

[silver falcon]

and the enclave isnt exactly.. good..

[remote mortar]

I know it’s from all the way back in FO1, but I’m wondering how many online crash outs we will get about jt.

[silent scarab]

Reality mimics art fr fr

[digital walrus]

True they did also annex mexico which was probably state 52

[remote mortar]

Canada isn’t actually a state here, I don’t think. That’s just a nickname.

Making all of Canada a single state would irrevocably fuck the electoral college and etc.

[silent scarab]

Yeah it wasn’t a state

[digital walrus]

Given the automated elections in applapica i am not sure elections were real much anymore

[remote mortar]

True!

[silent scarab]

Don’t let the chuds read that lore either

[digital walrus]

Which?

[silent scarab]

What you said

[digital walrus]

The automated elections? Its official lore

[west cloud]

Maximus staring at the NCR power armor like "REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE"

[digital walrus]

Where is your power armour soldier

[silent scarab]

That’s what I’m saying, they will take it personally and think Bethesda is woke or something

[spark lark]

Who wants to bet that the super mutants are gonna come in and kill the deathclaws in episode 8?

[digital walrus]

Nah its gonna be a cowboy robot

[fickle kelp]

Super mutants and fev feels like a plot point being developed for next season.

[silent scarab]

Legion killing deathclaws would be sick ngl

[fickle kelp]

We have one episode left.

[spark lark]

It's kinda being developed currently with Thaddeus

[digital walrus]

I am calling victor leading a securitron charge

[fickle kelp]

Yeah. But I don't think it's remotely going to get any real development in the hour we have left.

The ncr feels like they're gonna be a deus ex machina of some form. Just appearing etc.

Legion might be relevant.

Or, will be.

But to what extent idk.

[digital walrus]

Knowing cooper he probably has a bounty on him in ncr

[merry jolt]

I’d rather the residents of Freeside save the day. Sort of like an… independent sort of ending… 👀

[digital walrus]

They seem like they are running a bet on max vs deathclaw

I would get on that 20 caps on the deathclaw

[silent scarab]

The NCR isn’t showing up in force in episode 8

That’s also gonna be season 3

[digital walrus]

How about securitrons?

[silent scarab]

I think likely

It’s strange the brotherhood has taken this long to come after cold fusion

Hope they all died

[digital walrus]

Even stranger that the enclave has waited so long

Unless they just let it be to divide the bos

[sterile coral]

Yeah, Wilzig escaped way too easily considering he yoinked such an important piece of Enclave equipment.

[digital walrus]

And there was an active alarm and dead-body

[silent scarab]

I think the enclave had the cold fusion but didn’t have the codes to use it, they let him escape in hopes that somebody would activate it an they can swoop in at the perfect time and take control of it

[sterile coral]

And if it causes inter-faction drama or civil wars, all the better for the Enclave.

[fickle kelp]

Yeah that works.

They got handed it by coop but it wasn't their shit.

[digital walrus]

That would be funny if they forgot to hire someone from vault tec back in the day

[silent scarab]

It seems like very few of the vault tec personnel had codes for it

[digital walrus]

So that raises the question did the vault tec/enclave always plan to double cross house or were both playing their own game

[silent scarab]

House had nothing but business deals with vault tec/enclave

Enclave controlled vault tec like a rabid dog on a leash

[crimson elm]

Ok so was the lady from the jar, the senator that helped Copper get to the president?

[silent scarab]

Unpredictable and likely to bite its handler

[silent scarab]

Yes but she wasn’t in a jar

[crimson elm]

i mean it's a containment thingy

but like it was her head hooked up to the mainframe

[sullen moon]

Why she got a straw

[silent scarab]

To hydrate her mouth

[digital walrus]

Yes but vault tec sold cold fusion to him did they intend to take it back

[silent scarab]

The sale hadn’t happend yet but no I think they were gonna sell it to him legit

The enclave didn’t want them to do it tho

[digital walrus]

So coop stealing it was very much a fell into their lap we got both tec

[silent scarab]

Yes, the enclave didn’t want vault tecs finger on the trigger just themselves

[digital walrus]

But if they controlled vault tec why not just remove cold fusion from sale, archive it etc

[silent scarab]

Because they didn’t directly control them

They did it through subterfuge and threats

[digital walrus]

Ah

[silent scarab]

They pulled strings to make them do what they wanted but not straight “here’s an order”

[digital walrus]

So vault tec is still semi independant not like posiedon

[errant dune]

Yeah

[silent scarab]

The vault tec leadership is too powerful and has their own motives

They are always looking to come out on top even against the shadow government

[digital walrus]

Some seem to be in direct contact like braun

[silent scarab]

Yeah, they are full of spies and stuff

[errant dune]

I suppose it's easier for Poseidon as it's a conglomerate of different business rather than a single one like VaultTec

[digital walrus]

That and its an energy firm in a time where energy is taken by might

[errant dune]

I love how every fallout business is provides X service, also Weapons R&D

[digital walrus]

Slocum joes coffee and spying

Maybe even golden balls porn was getting in on the defence money

[silent scarab]

In ww2 the best weapons the us had were made by singer, the sewing machine company

[sterile coral]

Even Nuka-Cola got in on the action going by Fallout 4, even if it was just the CEO trying to get in on LEAP-X by helping out with Project Cobalt.

[digital walrus]

Excpet duncwhich they had other goals

[north wharf]

i logged in
this is what i first see
elaborate please you got my curoisty

[silent scarab]

The machines singer used had much better tolerance then basically all gun manufactures

[north wharf]

huh

[silent scarab]

When ww2 war time economy was in full swing the government contracted every company possible to make firearms

Singer made their guns the closest to ideal specs

[sleek anvil]

The weevil famine 2

[north wharf]

only in us do they do that

[silent scarab]

No any country would do it during a world war

[north wharf]

would us be the only country where their singer is better than gun manufactures?

[silent scarab]

Lines bros a toy company in Britain made machine guns

Gun tolerances don’t need to be that tight to work

Sewing machines are much pickier

[sterile coral]

Plus, anything's possible when Uncle Sam is asking politely. You don't want them to ask unpolitely.

[silent scarab]

Also people weren’t buying anything but essentials at the time, a government contract would be welcomed by anyone

All metals were being diverted to the war effort so they wouldn’t even have the materials to make their normal goods

[digital walrus]

Robo brain factory

[lost stream]

Not sure if i can post this here
https://youtu.be/AojNG6q1mus?si=Ma0URSX_g00tSJFI

[still burrow]

I wish we'd get 16 times the lore next episode

[inner pollen]

i think the reason Diane is the one who is being used as the mainframe for these chips is because they're using her personality as a template for those chipped. also as a way for Vault-Tec, and possibly the Enclave/Government, to cut off a loose end, since she was informed of Cold Fusion's existence by Cooper (if she already knew of it, idk when she was informed ), but they decided to use… what was left of her for other projects.

not sure what else her brain operates other than the chips, so please fill me in if so 😭🙏

i don't think she's some "manipulator" trying to score Cold Fusion for the Enclave (again: PLEASE TELL ME IF I'M WRONG - WHICH I OFTEN AM ). i think she's just a genuinely good person who, unknowingly, flew too close to the sun - or was used without her knowledge.

[forest gyro]

oh my GOD that intro was hard

[chrome vessel]

Anyone else catch how spot on the placement of that single securitron was and the fact that a backup of house needed to be activated 👀

[urban mantle]

House has gone into comas because of power issues before

There's a pretty good chance that is indeed the actual house

[silent scarab]

Yes it’s possible but I doubt what it’s going to be

House already being dead is most likely imho

[chrome vessel]

he points at the device when he is alive specifically stating that it is to be used to make a backup of his psyche not at all connected to his physical form. We then see the exact placement of the securitron from the IND ending and no house on the screen. The machine to make a backup oh his mind is then activated and he appears on screen. It feels very very heavily pointed to the fact that his body is dead.

[urban mantle]

I must've missed the bit where he said he was making a backup

[silent scarab]

The whole scene with him and cooper pre war

He needed cold fusion to run it but could probably do the scans without it

[urban mantle]

I don't remember him mentioning a backup at all actually

[silent scarab]

He wanted to fully upload his consciousness to a digital form

[chrome vessel]

no worries, the show does feel at times like it's trying to avoid the question of what happened in NV so it not being perfectly clear makes sense

[silent scarab]

He was planning on being ai before the bombs even dropped

[chrome vessel]

Him keeping his physical body was almost certainly because him loss of cold fusion stopped him from making the backup

[lusty ingot]

Cooper gave cold fusion to the enclave

[chrome vessel]

yea, I'm thinking he done goofed

[forest gyro]

Is this the first time they've shown an actual Fallout-ified car rather than just some normal car from the 1950s?

[vivid ferry]

You know what would be funny during the Freeside scene where the crew was walking down the street?

A King shows up and starts cheering on the NCR resemblance with the rest of the crowd.

[icy turtle]

He doesn't. I've been combing through the dialogue cause people keep interpreting what he's saying as "Ai" or "Backup" but it makes zero sense to me that he'd be doing something that already exists, when he has the capabilities and intelligence to create something new. Plus with the showrunners implying that with his knowledge he created something new. House is aiming for something grandeur. Also in the interviews at least, it says it's not a message. But a form of House that's somewhat ascended. Victor is an Ai. That's not what House is aiming for, House is aiming for something that hasn't been done. The way the showrunners describe it is a 'form' or rather a type of transference that is akin to House and hasn't been done.

Ai and Brain scans have already been done, im pretty sure that's not what he's doing.

[lusty ingot]

In Stephs flashback that was cleary nate in the power armor

[dusty thunder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/719614393435815936/1450983593353679019/flea_soup.gif

[lusty ingot]

We need that as a sticker

[sudden sand]

see we dont actually know if he is alive

[icy turtle]

Yeah, and it sounds like they're keeping it that way.

[sudden sand]

its plausible he is , and was just in another stint of unconciousness. but victor implied he was killed. which makes this houses ai form

and they wouldnt have kept mentioning him wanted to do it initially if they werent gonna use it

[visual echo]

Lol training with 50cal rounds, bring the kids

Ninja club would be cool

[silent scarab]

I shot a 50 cal multiple times as a child

[sudden sand]

murica moment

[silent scarab]

It’s just another gun

That costs a lot more per shot

[sudden sand]

anyone know what track plays during the deathclaw figh

[high laurel]

My little theory after last episode

Hank and Steph got together pre-freeze and had a baby. Bombs dropped, everyone was frozen, Hank was scheduled to be unfrozen long before Steph. He gets married to Rose, they find out they can't have a baby, he unfreezes baby that's with Steph and raises her as Rose's child to be Lucy

[sudden sand]

i dunno if its actually been released yet, but since a lot were that havnt even been used yet (including what i hope is the commonwealths triumphant entrance)

[limber egret]

I kind of figured the music was constructed around the scenes which is what made the differences so notable. Maybe I'm also huffing hopium that we since we haven't heard the "true" version of We Have Power that it'll play in episode 8

[quick iris]

Did anyone else have a bad feeling about that congresswoman?

[sudden sand]

that she was being used yeah

shes not enclave. just too trusting and good hearted

wonder if the proper version of 'we have power' will play when the ncr marches in force

[limber egret]

She seemed a lot more confident and well spoken in her meeting with Cooper, tbh I think she wasn't a patsy but was just putting on a inoffensive/ineffectual facade to make Cooper sympathize and trust her

[sudden sand]

she wouldnt be butchered in a glass tube if she was enclave

[silent scarab]

I think the senator was 100% in on it and knew what she was doing

[silent scarab]

The enclave isn’t against backstabbing a member or agent?

[sudden sand]

hank is who did it. so no. not in this case

[limber egret]

She made a big deal about not taking corporate money yet ends up in a Vault-Tec Facility? The mainframe is way too ad-hoc to be something that was there before Hank arrived

[silent scarab]

I don’t think she has been there for that long

[sudden sand]

her problem is that shes anti corpo money. but is too trusting of her government

[silent scarab]

Hank woke her up and chopped her head off most likely

[sudden sand]

for all we know vault tec offered cheaper spots for government officials. given theyre an enclave tool

perfect way to enclave to keep a load of semi willing cryopatients

[limber egret]

I think all this was a ploy to prevent House from getting cold fusion. Moldaver, Welch and maybe Hank were in on it. Barb and Charlie were the unwitting pawns IMO

[lost stream]

God Bless The Enclave

[sudden sand]

lol im glad other people on youtube are picking up on the deathclaws facial structure beign deliberately cuter

well, more expressive and a shorter muzzle, i can see the pack aspect of it being from wolves a lot better with this version

square up bro

wait , the ones we see in the fight this episode are noticibly smaller than the first one we see in vegas. wonder where the mamaclaw is

[fickle field]

I wanted to see the NCR and BoS team up against the enclave

[visual echo]

Na see I don't think the senator knew everything, I think she may have known about enclave but wasn't apart of it and she thought giving the diode to the president would buy her a ticket to immortality

[sudden sand]

yall are reaching with this ima be real

[peak sphinx]

God Bless the Enclave

[leaden furnace]

I thought I was the only one who noticed lmao

They didn’t seem anywhere near as big

[sudden sand]

I uh. I get the feeling mamaclaw is gonna be pissed when she finds out

Remeber that in the game the quarry junction matriarch gets a 40x speed boost and 400 percent damage boost when you kill even a single of her pack

lol I just remembered. We havnt see any of the vault 33 kids since the first episode of s1

[silent scarab]

These numbers are not true

[sudden sand]

Yes they are (this is cope)

[urban mantle]

Maximus will handle it don't worry

[zinc hound]

Don't look at the funny green vat in the bottom floor

[glass rune]

love how the ghouls like see ya

and leaves maximus to fight the death claws

I think the riffle would of worked if he got a head shot

[heavy gorge]

That would be dark

[visual echo]

It definitely would have that thing was tearing chunks off the deathclaw

Useless ass Ghoul, maybe the bos was right....

[lusty ingot]

Ghoul used all perks in gunslinger

[visual echo]

He was also probably having a PTSD response to seeing the deathclaw again

Home alone in the vault

[icy turtle]

Oh-ho.
Wondering if the backdrop art is available.

[sudden sand]

Ironically it works really well in the 3 style of heavy Armour

I love how coops gradually learning to respect max through this episode. He met him as an inexperienced role player he didn’t take seriously. But he’s got first hand experience of how much he’s grown in skill . And the tipping of the hat was a genuine ‘game recognized game’ moment

[wheat lodge]

So now we know the Enclave was behind everything in the TV show

[wheat lodge]

Not according to the games. He would have needed to get a critical hit

[sudden sand]

Deathclaws are insanely tanky, they need to be to lug around those huge claws and strengthen the bite force and brute force headbutts

[modern pendant]

hello, anyone know or have theory of
why we see the head of the women as the central computer at the end of the episode pls?

[wheat lodge]

Which would need to deal 1000 damage like in the OG fallout games

[sudden sand]

She was frozen and Hank thawed her out to use her as the blank for the chips

He’s also likely found out she helped take the cold fusion starter from him as of the nukes dropping

It’s highly likely everyone knows what a pushover she is , and so on top of annoyance at her screwing him over he thought she would be a good placeholder personality for the chips amnesia

[wheat lodge]

Basically like House in NV or Bradberton in Nuka World. Or maybe even like the robobrains. Some preservation of the brain through the usage of electricity to keep the neurons active

[wheat lodge]

We kinda don't know that yet. That's basically just a theory for now. Hell, we don't even know Hank's allegance. Is it the Enclave or House? Because I honestly don't think the chips were House's project, he might have only done it to get money to protect Vegas, from the war, which would probably only have worked with the support of the Enclave.

[errant dune]

Who is Norm to Hank then?

[sudden sand]

It is houses project. He just sold it to vault tec to get cold fusion

[wheat lodge]

Where do they say that?

[sudden sand]

Houses double says house (him) has been working on it

He doesn’t know the enclave exists yet. Just suspects a conspiracy.

[wheat lodge]

Working on it does mean it is truly his project tho. He might have helped vault Tec develop it

[sudden sand]

Would he be selling their own project back to them

[errant dune]

I like the idea that the mainframe was created by Hank

[wheat lodge]

Maybe he got some shares in the project or something? Idk, episode seven brang up so many unanswered questions

[sudden sand]

It was, it’s a scrap job , you can see how hodge podge it is

[errant dune]

We do see Head Welch move for the trailer

So there's something in there preserving her

[sudden sand]

Yeah but that’s not one of them. It’s pretty clear house developed it and is selling it to vault tec for cold fusion

[errant dune]

It could be a Bradburton situation

Also as House said to coop about him buying up emerging tech, he wouldn't sell something he didn't think wasn't a bust

[chrome vessel]

I must have missed where this was said, when does he say that

[errant dune]

It's not said directly rather inferred

[wheat lodge]

Not really, since Bradberton's head was still alive

[errant dune]

He is seen testing it, he says to Coop he buys up the best tech early, then we see him selling a tech he was testing to VaultTec, who he just referred to as idiots