EPISODE 8

[hasty osprey]

likely hood of the vault 33 and 32 inhabititants surviving?

[rain breach]

Nope, I hope they die

[copper ginkgo]

It doesn't directly state.He went in there

[pale ferry]

GOD BLESS THE ENCLAVE

[copper ginkgo]

Yesss

[compact bramble]

As long as Stephanie and Betty survive the rest can go to Hell

[warped ocean]

I have a sneaking suspicion that they’ll recreate the Fallout 2 intro next season with said vaults

[glacial yew]

https://tenor.com/view/enclave-fallout-2-gif-670157946705915571

[compact bramble]

I like Betty she’s scrappy

[warped ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/enclave-fallout2-gif-23731058

[compact bramble]

Also now that Hank has lobotomized himself we need more pre war characters

[glacial yew]

ngl the enclave power armor helmet always looked a little goofy though

[warped ocean]

Lobotomy edit

[compact bramble]

Because I still need some fucking ANSWERS

[warped ocean]

You’re goofy

[timid mural]

Yall be hating anything

[warped ocean]

It’s writing is wonky

[copper ginkgo]

ENCLAVE I LOVE U SOOO MUCH WE WILL SQASH THE OTHER FACTIONS WITH A PURE AMERICAN FULL OF OBEDIENT AND PURE AMERICANS THE PURE REAL UNITED STATES @pale ferry @warped ocean @glacial yew

[warped ocean]

But last ep was peak🥹 ✌️

[glacial yew]

https://tenor.com/view/enclave-fallout1-fallout2-fallout3-fallout4-gif-25785951

[glacial yew]

the enclave is better than any fallout 4 faction ngl

[copper ginkgo]

With our micro chips and Colorado base were perfect

[warped ocean]

If the western brotherhood has the plans of liberty prime
Does that mean that the commonwealth brotherhood still have their liberty prime?

[compact bramble]

Episode 7 ending was great

[copper ginkgo]

Indeed get rid of those dirty mutants and ghouls

[timid mural]

This dude knows ball

[pale ferry]

dont want the chance of being muted for gifs lol

[glacial yew]

fallout 5 enclave female protagonist set in colorado. CONFIRMED

[obtuse niche]

Okay I don't wanna be mean but I have absolutely no idea what else he's done besides home alone

[copper ginkgo]

Did you know the president appears in the finale

[glacial yew]

home alone 2

[warped ocean]

Home alone 2

[glacial yew]

enclave minds think alike

[obtuse niche]

He's a really good actor but in my mind he has a gigantic hole in his career between this and home alone

[copper ginkgo]

@timid mural it doesn't matter , the guy knows balls and he's gonna squash the NCR

[warped ocean]

Home alone 3
Nvm

[compact bramble]

I would too if I made that much money when I was 10

[timid mural]

Long Live The NCR

[copper ginkgo]

The President in the finale the only appears for like ten seconds and makes this face cuz Cooper dumb

[compact bramble]

Imagine being 10 and being like “ok that should be enough money to hold me over until I’m 99”

[copper ginkgo]

There practically dead tbh

[pale ferry]

i mean it was like 3 movies he made millions off of it

[glacial yew]

" damn this actors gullible as hell"

[warped ocean]

NCR coming back is peak as well though🥹
Bethesda didn’t wipe out an entire faction just for the sake of it

[copper ginkgo]

He's your President He's coming back in season 3

[compact bramble]

“I can’t believe he’s about to hand me this sh— oh my god he just handed me this shit”

[old surge]

😭 insane work to arrest coop immediately after and label him a commie

[timid mural]

No

[obtuse niche]

"fuck he gave us the only thing we needed to blow everything up"

[compact bramble]

“Checkmate” ahh face

[copper ginkgo]

He may have helped us , but he wasn't a true american

[pale ferry]

ncr legion all tribals in the eyes of the enclave not worth a thought

[copper ginkgo]

HES A DAMN GHOUL

[copper ginkgo]

They are tho lol

[compact bramble]

Dude the music during that scene was just perfect

[obtuse niche]

The ghoul looks like some form of pepperoni ghoul relative to the decaying rotten ass ghouls we see in the other games

[timid mural]

Opinion Rejected

[copper ginkgo]

Fr all we have to do is nuke them like Shady Sands

[compact bramble]

He lookin’ like granny from SpongeBob

[obtuse niche]

He looks like he's been salted or something for preservation

[glacial yew]

coopers special was definitely INT 1 when he handed the cold fusion over

[old surge]

🦅 🦅🦅free energy in MY America??? 🚔 🚔 🚔 🇺🇸 not today commie

[obtuse niche]

Plot twist the president was a Chinese plant

[pale ferry]

indeed or do a little trolling and release virus already lol

[copper ginkgo]

NOTHING IN AMERICA IS FREE

[glacial yew]

a chinese plant? like bamboo?

[obtuse niche]

And China has achieved utopia while the US is squabbling over dirt post war

Yes, like bamboo

[compact bramble]

I wish I could post a John Cena speaking Chinese meme right now

[obtuse niche]

They should do this in season 3 trust

[warped ocean]

This is not helping your case

[copper ginkgo]

No one saw that

[timid mural]

No

[copper ginkgo]

FUCK CHINA

[timid mural]

"Jarvis, 500 doses of Cope"

[obtuse niche]

Just mad you didn't invent the gauss rifle

[copper ginkgo]

Quick delete before the moderators

[obtuse niche]

Actually wait did the Chinese invent gauss weapons

[glacial yew]

chinese heaven does look a lot nicer than american heaven just sayin

[copper ginkgo]

Stop speaking communism before you're taken out

[compact bramble]

He can do it too

[obtuse niche]

Don't try the president he's done it before

[compact bramble]

I seent him. 👀

[pale ferry]

yes

[copper ginkgo]

Yup , people tried to expose our plasma gun

[obtuse niche]

The enclave uses gauss weapons in 2

[compact bramble]

The plasma weapons in lore rip through tanks and melt power armor and shit

[obtuse niche]

This means the enclave uses communist technology...

[pale ferry]

yes after anchorage we replicated them and used them

[compact bramble]

Very disappointing to use in game

[pale ferry]

not the communist ones the one howard uses

[sterile eagle]

The US government and US military have a long history of making their own variants of foreign technology.

The American space program was pretty much initially driven by a Nazi.

[obtuse niche]

In fallout 2 it was goated every subsequent game has made it a shitty sniper

[copper ginkgo]

Shut the fuck up communist

[pale ferry]

the communist ones are the bos ones from nv

[obtuse niche]

20 round semi auto gauss rifle my beloved

[copper ginkgo]

I'm joking btw

[obtuse niche]

I ascertained this much

[copper ginkgo]

For day mods

[hollow hawk]

Those Come Back Soon signs are not in game.

[sterile eagle]

RIOT! STOP THE PRESSES! BOYCOTT THE SHOW

[glacial yew]

i hope i love my kids as much as hank loves lucy

[hollow hawk]

It made me double check.

[glacial yew]

inspirational father fr

[sterile eagle]

I look forward to future seasons where the Enclave inevitably lose as they always do after trying to pursue some poorly conceived plan that is so incomprehensibly evil that nobody would ever go along with it if they weren't also comically evil

[daring cloud]

There is no way in hell house would confine himself to a pipboy . That’s not even possible anyway

[obtuse niche]

I look forward to norm becoming the president of the enclave by killing the previous president and stuffing his corpse in a garbage can

[old surge]

Nah he’s definitely in the big screen as well. I bet he will offer luccy help with the legion if she agrees to help him deal with the enclave

[daring cloud]

He was absolutely playing dead to stake out what Lucy and Maximus do

[glacial yew]

imagine being the smarted guy in the world and getting trapped in an apple watch lmaoooo

[sterile eagle]

He isn't, he's on the big screen

[glacial yew]

mr house more like mr idiot house

[obtuse niche]

Mr tent

[olive wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-hur-romans-gif-26896385

[glacial yew]

the NCR is not a professional army theyre doing what they can

i respect them for their efforts but the rangers are sick

[warped ocean]

Mr homeless

Oooooooooo
Sick burn

[heady jasper]

How would his descendants be there if he wasnt

[warped ocean]

Magic

[copper ginkgo]

They aren't lol

[heady jasper]

Yes they are go back and play the game before you speak

[compact bramble]

Giant iguanas

[sterile eagle]

LOL

[heady jasper]

President dick Richardson is the direct descendant of the last president of the USA

[compact bramble]

Giant fucking iguanas

[copper ginkgo]

I've DONE EXTENNSIVE RESEARCH

[heady jasper]

Why don't you try playing the game

[obtuse niche]

Wasn't he the descendant of the previous president ergo his father

[copper ginkgo]

What evidence do you have

[heady jasper]

Who was also a descendant of the last president

[obtuse niche]

I must've missed that bit

[copper ginkgo]

How do you know that

[heady jasper]

In-game dialogue

[copper ginkgo]

Show

[sterile eagle]

His political career began in the Enclave Congress sometime before 2215. In August of that year, his father, president of the Enclave at the time, began to use his own influence to advance his son's political career.[Non-game 1] Five years later, with his father's aid and political influence, he was elected to the presidency, entering office on March 5th, 2220. Richardson would remain president for five consecutive terms.[Non-game 2][3] His rule would be characterized by a culture of secrecy, surveillance, and fear.[4] Any complaints from Enclave members (whether heard directly or reported to Richardson) were considered signs of disloyalty and grounds for permanent assignment to mainland operations.[5]

[copper ginkgo]

That has nothing to do with the pre war president

[heady jasper]

Yea his descendants being on the oil rig and president disappearing before the war happened are just coincidences

[sterile eagle]

Now I will qualify that text I pasted by saying it's from the Fallout Bible which may or may not be considered canon anymore. Bethesda almost certainly does not consider it canon

[copper ginkgo]

Listen I go by what the games say and there's no evidence that he was there when the bombs dropped

[heady jasper]

All of the evidence points to that

[copper ginkgo]

In fact, he's been incredibly elusive and mysterious.

[heady jasper]

The oil rig is Control station enclave, it's literally their main HQ, and you for some reason think their leader wasn't there

[copper ginkgo]

It's not definitive you see , it says he was running the country from there about a year and a half before the bombs dropped , but there's nothing that states that he was there after the bombs dropped or anything like that , especially in fallout two in fact , it could have all been a ploy to trick the public so that they wouldn't mess with the enclave base in colorado

[obtuse niche]

It's probably safe to say the pre war president was ash in the ocean long before the oil rig was destroyed

[heady jasper]

Tbf it doesn't really matter what the games say cuz the show can just do whatever

[thin vine]

Ncr prevails

[sterile eagle]

Alternatively you can take the view that it doesn't fucking matter because Bethesda can and will retcon parts of the lore for the purposes of the show

[copper ginkgo]

It's really not if he wasn't ever there

[heady jasper]

Even if he did die on the oil rig the show can still just say na that didn't happen

[sterile eagle]

So who cares

[thin vine]

Also yeha I fucking called it Hank is part of the Enclave

[copper ginkgo]

It's not reckoning if the game's lore allows for it

[obtuse niche]

No evidence for it. It's not out of the question but we have no reason to suspect it

[copper ginkgo]

I can say the exact same thing for what y'all are saying

[obtuse niche]

Yeah, yeah you can

[heady jasper]

Right but our side makes more sense

[copper ginkgo]

Does it though?

[heady jasper]

Why would the leader of the enclave not be in the enclaves most secure and main HQ

[thin vine]

BTW is it me or did the NCR co-opt the fo4 main theme

[copper ginkgo]

Because the real secure location is in colorado , we're all the other real higher ups went

[obtuse niche]

I didn't notice I was enjoying seeing a ranger kill a deathclaw too much

[heady jasper]

That scene was so good

[obtuse niche]

Until they suggest this is actually the function of the Colorado base it's just speculation whereas we have solid information on the oil rig

[thin vine]

Yeah but everytime the NCR makes a scene like the flag in s1 and then the armory and power armor reveal last episode and now the NCR battalion showing up they all play the fo4/fo3 theme (also arguably FNV which plays the theme in the launcher and the credits)

[copper ginkgo]

Think about it logically for a second Colorado base.In the Colorado Rockies, the highest point in America where you can send radio transmissions.It's also incredibly fortified and incredibly hidden , unlike a f****** oil , rig , that the entire american public knows about

[quaint monolith]

I’m so glad our faction gets the fallout theme, the NCR has been blessed by Godd Howard

[copper ginkgo]

I don't know about y'all , but it seems like a ploy to distract america , because they're a secret shadow government organization

[quaint monolith]

We have the favor of the gods

[heady jasper]

Yea but also when the games came out Colorado enclave base wasn't a thing so your theory makes even less sense, it's 95% certainty the games lore have last president going to the oil rig

[obtuse niche]

Until they tell, they haven't told 🤷

[thin vine]

Crackpot theory but what if Bethesda is making the NCR their new poster boys

[heady jasper]

Good

[obtuse niche]

The going lore we have to work with indicates the oil rig was their main base of operations, they could justify a Colorado HQ but they haven't yet

[copper ginkgo]

And the only reason why you're able to even say that is because of fallout four , which doesn't definitively say he went there when the bombs dropped , so please get out

[quaint monolith]

I support this idea

[thin vine]

I'm tired of the Frauderhood of Steel getting all the attentiob

[heady jasper]

No just go play fo2

[quaint monolith]

West coast = best coast baby

[copper ginkgo]

You see with your eyeballs bub

[obtuse niche]

North Coast

[copper ginkgo]

F 02 definitely doesn't give enough information to say that

[solid grail]

Fellas gotta lose their airship and Vertibird privileges, dammit.

[unique flint]

Pacific Northwest Coast.

[heady jasper]

Have you even played fo2

[obtuse niche]

No we don't
We know there's a base in Colorado (not even confirmed to be Colorado just most likely), we don't know the nature or function of that base let alone its pre war agenda

[copper ginkgo]

You have yet to disprove anything that I have said telling me to play the game doesn't do anything if you don't actually provide any evidence that supports your claim. Oh, right, because it doesn't have any

[heady jasper]

So no you haven't played fo2

[copper ginkgo]

What's the point in saying that if you're not going to provide evidence

[heady jasper]

I'm not interested in arguing with someone that doesn't have all the information and I don't care enough to go find it for you

[copper ginkgo]

The base is in colorado

[thin vine]

Said airship can be murked by 18th century howitzers

[obtuse niche]

Typo

[copper ginkgo]

I have and nothing about f 02 says information to conclude that the pre war president goes there

[heady jasper]

[obtuse niche]

Intuitively it makes more sense than him going to a hypothetical different super secret HQ we know very little about

[copper ginkgo]

Dude, I'm actually trying to have a conversation.If you have evidence that does say that from the game , just say what it is , it's not that hard

[obtuse niche]

Neither are outlandish one just makes a bit more sense

[solid grail]

Would’ve required the Sole Survivor not to be a bitchmade Quisling coward.

[copper ginkgo]

@heady jasper Unless you of course have zero evidence

[heady jasper]

No you aren't you're just trying to be right but your logic is flawed

[copper ginkgo]

Dude I don't care about that, just say what it is.I'm actually interested

[heady jasper]

Talk to the president

[copper ginkgo]

Dick Richardson?

[unique flint]

*19th century

[heady jasper]

Yes dick dick

[obtuse niche]

Dick Dickson junior

[copper ginkgo]

What does he say @heady jasper

That definitively proves the pre-war 2077 President that is portrayed by Clancy.Brown specifically goes to that bunker before the bombs drop

[unique flint]

Dick Dickerson III

[obtuse niche]

We ain't looking for definitives, we can establish that there is no definitive answer right now while still acknowledging one makes more implicit sense than another

[copper ginkgo]

@heady jasper Because if i'm being honest , the only evidence i've seen is a newspaper article from fallout four that just says he was leading the country there a year and a half before the bomb fell

@heady jasper But like if there are multiple enclave bunkers , you could have been going there as like a ploy to trick america

[heady jasper]

That his father was the president and his father before that was also the president, only needs a few generations for it because fo2 isn't set that far after the war

[obtuse niche]

You need to make fewer unverified assumptions about the president being at the oil rig during the war than you do about the president being moved to Colorado for some reason

[copper ginkgo]

It's a hundred and sixty four years , so I think it's a little more than three generations

[unique flint]

Probably about 5-6

[heady jasper]

You're thinking that these presidents only serve 2 terms like irl no they're more like dictators for life

[obtuse niche]

Sounds like 3-4 presidential periods given the lack of term limits in the enclave

[copper ginkgo]

Okay , it doesn't change the fact that a hundred and sixty four years is more than three generations of humans

[obtuse niche]

Semantics

[heady jasper]

One person can live 80+ years

[copper ginkgo]

It's about the same.Both are incredibly vague and mysterious

[heady jasper]

It's also the enclave so safe to assume they have technology to live 100+ years

[copper ginkgo]

Why is it so hard to just definitively prove it's him if he really went there

[unique flint]

164 Years = 6 Human Generations

[obtuse niche]

One is "the president did not leave the oil rig he was on and was their base of operations" and the other is "the president left the oil rig to go to a different previously unheard of actual base of operations instead"

[craggy orbit]

Caesar you dog

[hallow hill]

Season 2's pacing was kind of dogshit tbh

[heady jasper]

Because fallout doesn't give you diffinitive proof it gives you bread crumbs that piece together to form a whole

And it makes more sense that the president was at the oil rig that the chinese didn't know about than being on US soil where they can be hit with nukes

[obtuse niche]

The assumptions for the president staying on the oil rig are just that he didn't leave the oil rig, the assumptions for him being in Colorado are that the Colorado base is more secure and significant than the oil rig (which would imply that the oil rig was not HQ as we've been told)

[unique flint]

So Mr. Rapture is right.

164 years is more than 3 generations.

[heady jasper]

Yea I more so meant you only need like 3 people to go that span of time

3 leaders with 50+ years

[copper ginkgo]

My theory is that he went there to distract the public away from the real enclave base in Colorado.You can't deny that just because it wasn't in your old game because , of course , it wouldn't be in there , but because it's not definitive , it is not RETCON if anything , it's more interesting plus why would they cast clancy brown just to waste him

[agile haven]

While a lot of people have been talking about the idea of Coop’s reaction to realizing that his judgement falling to naive patriotism is most likely the direct cause of the end of the world, I feel like what a lot of people fail to mention is how especially devastating it must be for Coop to realize all that time serving in the Resource Wars were most likely for nothing if his own country’s governemnt was merely using it to set the stage for a world without the citizens and values he swore to protect.

[copper ginkgo]

It's probably because you weren't able to binge watch

[hallow hill]

Extremely unlikely tbh

Those are Louis XIV numbers

[heady jasper]

Did anyone else think that when coop saves Lucy it looked like the show was portraying his skin n stuff to almost look normal again

[obtuse niche]

Occam's razor
I need to do less fumbling around in the dark to say he was at the oil rig than to say he was somewhere else

[heady jasper]

It's the enclave, the president is basically a dictator and can rig the votes

[hallow hill]

It's not like they're elected to the presidency straight out of high-school. They're usually older to begin with

[unique flint]

I did but didn't think too much on it.

[frozen lava]

Holy shit yall type fast lol

[obtuse niche]

The oil rig has precedence for him being there, a reason for him to still be there, significance within the enclave
The Colorado facility might, might, have 1 of those things

[heady jasper]

Phones

[copper ginkgo]

What if it's all intentional doi so you don't figure it out.Why else is he so incredibly mysterious and vague?And we know literally nothing, not even his name.But that's also a coincidence , I guess

[unique flint]

You got them stiff fingers.

[obtuse niche]

Then they'll tell us in time

[frozen lava]

@unique flint damn right

[heady jasper]

Salad fingers

[copper ginkgo]

But also the biggest piece of evidence clancy brown

[obtuse niche]

With the evidence we have right now however, there's no particular reason to think he was anywhere else

[copper ginkgo]

But there's also no evidence saying he was there forever

[frozen lava]

I got that reference

[hallow hill]

It felt like only half the season was covered

[copper ginkgo]

Elaborate

[heady jasper]

I like how they forgot about the bos civil war for 3 episodes or so and the legion for 7 lol

[obtuse niche]

But there is evidence saying he was there for a prolonged period of time before the war, and evidence that the base maintained a central role in enclave operations after the war
See where this is going?

[hallow hill]

They didn't do a great job converging the plot towards the end

[frozen lava]

Yeah lol. It’s like they only use the legion as a shuttle into the next season almost

[copper ginkgo]

The only evidence is that newspaper article from fallout 4, which says he had been beating the country a year and a 1/2 before the war and a lot of things can happen in that time.And then the fallout seventy six signature that doesn't even show the full name and could be a red herring

[heady jasper]

Also shouldn't Lucy and Hank have heard gunshots n battle noises from NCR fighting deathclaws lol

[unique flint]

At least we got Round 3 to look forward to.

[frozen lava]

Right on that

[mystic plaza]

No, i think House says it was miles underground.

[heady jasper]

Can't believe they're bringing liberty prime into the show

[unique flint]

Long Live the New California Republic.

[obtuse niche]

That is still, like, evidence though? More evidence than we have for the oil rig being a decoy or whatever

[heady jasper]

No I meant when they're on the steps of the 38

[craggy orbit]

Glory to atom

[copper ginkgo]

And it's not really evidence of it isn't proven anything definitive , you can only make inferences with that , meaning it's not sufficient evidence

[mystic plaza]

oh, i feel like the fighting might've ended for then?

[viral cosmos]

I burst out laughing when they revealed sallow's note was just a big fuck you to the legion

[grim ether]

And they're trying to make him practical according to Johnathan Nolan which is awesome

[unique flint]

You Children of Atom need Jesus.

[viral cosmos]

I kind of thought he was gonna have written down some cool heir that would make us go "woah holy shit" but then no

[obtuse niche]

It is definitively true that he was operating out of the oil rig before the war

It is also definitively true that the oil rig was enclave HQ until it was destroyed

The leap in logic here is pretty small

[mystic plaza]

Caesar? Writing down an heir? lmao

[unique flint]

"I am Caesar. I am the Legion. It ends with me."

[obtuse niche]

Again, he could have been somewhere else - there is just no indication that he was somewhere else

[viral cosmos]

wasn't legate lanius supposed to be the new caesar in th event of his death?

[grim ether]

The only thing that confuses me with the whole "The legion ends with Caeser" is wasn't Lanius the next heir?

[frozen lava]

This last episode sure did subvert my expectations a time or two

[olive wadi]

Amazon Liberty Prime

[viral cosmos]

or did they overthrow him too?

[copper ginkgo]

Yes, it's also true, is there are multiple enclave bases that are unnamed.What's also true is that there are shadowy organization that hides things and lies to the public to cover them.And they use multiple fronts like america and vault tech are you starting to notice how I can say the exact same things you can say

[unique flint]

Only Caesar can lead the Legion.

[obtuse niche]

Lanius would succeed him if necessary but in a way even that would spell the death of the legion

[hallow hill]

So stupid
I'm tired of this slop

[copper ginkgo]

@obtuse niche because we can only make inferences , because there's no definitive evidence , we'll just have to agree ti disagree

[obtuse niche]

I'm getting tired of this there are only so many ways I can phrase the same concept

[olive wadi]

Then stop watching it lol

[unique flint]

Lanius or this new "Caesar" could never do what Caeser did.

[mystic plaza]

No, people keep saying this. Lanius was not loyal to the Legion - Lanius was loyal to Edward. Even if Caesar named Lanius after the fact, at most Lanius would follow the plans until Hoover Dam, then leave. lol

[olive wadi]

Also Lanius is dead af

[hallow hill]

It's unfortunately canon.

"Let's build another liberty prime"

Why? How is that feasible

[obtuse niche]

Lanius would probably still lead the legion but he'd do a bad job of it as we see in his epilogues

[viral cosmos]

if they either 1, DON'T make enclave another 2-dimensional objective bad guy or 2, SOMEHOW NOT make liberty prime the overly convenient deus ex machina, I will be happy with season 3

[hasty osprey]

same screw those inbred babies

[mystic plaza]

The same way Hugo stole liberty prime plans and made his own versions.

[copper ginkgo]

As long as you can acknowledge both are extremely plausible and that there's no definitive evidence.So you are take is not righter than my take

[viral cosmos]

however I have the feeling they are gonna do both in hopes the fans go "OHHH MY GOD FANSERVICE MOMENT"

[olive wadi]

They're at Area 51

[obtuse niche]

Both are possible. 1 has existing evidence and 1 is entirely speculative.

[grim ether]

I don't think Lanius is dead tbh, I have nothing to support this but I just don't think he is could be somewhere in Colorado since that where Season 3 is going

[obtuse niche]

You can try to wrap your head around that forevermore if you want but ultimately we know absolutely nothing about Colorado and quite a bit about the oil rig

[olive wadi]

Given they found plans to Liberty Prime I'm sure the resources to build it are around as well

[copper ginkgo]

My guy, as I said, none of them really have evidence.That's why you can only make something called inferences.The evidence you so call is an evidence.Because it doesn't prove the thing you're trying to say , that's not how evidence works , my guy

[olive wadi]

We know Legion owns Colorado

[unique flint]

Didn't he also have his own large patch of land to the east of Caeser's Legion?

[mystic plaza]

what's the argument???

[obtuse niche]

We can make smaller, and fewer, inferences in one case than in the other

[obtuse niche]

Pre war president on oil rig or president in Colorado

[mystic plaza]

Oh. He was probably on the oil rig, isn't it implied that Dick is his Descendant???

[grim ether]

I think so, if Colorado is still Legion territory at the time of Season 3 (which it might not be given how much infighting was happening with the Legion in s2), there might be a solid chance that Lanius is alive

[copper ginkgo]

Are you sure it's going to be a lot

[hallow hill]

It may be internally consistent, but it's rather pointless and dramatic and defeats the purpose of Liberty Prime being a one-time invention

[obtuse niche]

Supposedly, and also suggested that he was already on the oil rig

[hasty osprey]

btw opinions on chet?

[copper ginkgo]

I will literally make an entire Venn.Diagram to prove you wrong

[olive wadi]

What purpose

[obtuse niche]

He should be really fucking worried about the death to management thing knowing what he does

[olive wadi]

They have access to giant robots

[unique flint]

What if President sent a decoy to the Oil-

No, that doesn't make sense.

[obtuse niche]

Aight I'm gonna go to sleep in the meantime but have fun with that

[olive wadi]

You think they'd stop at one?

[copper ginkgo]

I really passionate about this theory.I literally went insane researching

[grim ether]

I'll hear your theory out I have time for this

[hallow hill]

We don't really even know if the BOS could reproduce Liberty Prime

[olive wadi]

The only reason og Liberty Prime was difficult to activate was a power problem which they solved

[unique flint]

I want to hear it.

[hasty osprey]

also find it ironic that steph sided with the enclave

[icy pagoda]

We know they are gonna, you know how mad the people are gonna be if they get promised a giant live action mech and then don't get it?

[hasty osprey]

the same guys that invaded her country pre war

[grim ether]

I have a feeling the Liberty Prime the show's BoS is going to build is the one in the background of that Mr. House portrait of him standing next to Liberty Prime's legs. If you guys know what im talking about. It just looks like a smaller version of FO3/4 Liberty Prime

[unique flint]

Not to mention, she hates Americans.

[hallow hill]

I meant from the games

[mystic plaza]

it's already been done before outside of the BOS, it's possible.

[hasty osprey]

proceeds to join the most american faction in the wasteland

btw what is likely to happen to the chipped up wastelanders

[unique flint]

Really defeats the "I hate Americans because they took my mother away from me" subplot.

[hasty osprey]

new work force for new vegas?

[unique flint]

Enclave spies.

[mystic plaza]

people acting like liberty prime was this exclusive thing when they only didn't produce more is because they couldn't figure out the energy problem. lmao

[grim ether]

I just don't think she knows (or cares) what the Enclave is. She even says that in her message to the Enclave when starting Phase 2. "I don't really know what this means but... he said you'd always be listening"

[icy pagoda]

For the record, the enclave is about as unamerican as it gets lol

[hasty osprey]

we are comparing the enclave to fallout america not our modern world america

[unique flint]

I do like the NCR uniforms.

[icy pagoda]

Fallout america was the same america till post ww2. The enclave uphold little to none of the original concepts of the country and there is no ratifications to suggest things like the constitution, declaration of independence, or any other original concepts or documents have been changed.

Their president? An unelected computer.

[unique flint]

They became fascists.

[icy pagoda]

In fact, elections seek to be completely non existent in the enclave.

[unique flint]

That's a fact. Not an opinion.

[hasty osprey]

i seem to passive to do so?

[glacial yew]

the enclave is cooked they pretend they have significance because they existed before the war

[hasty osprey]

they are just filing pre war records and doing office work

[unique flint]

Ohhhh. I thought you were talking about the ones that were sent to the surface.

Yeah, I don't know what will happen to them.

[icy pagoda]

The idea that the enclave is "the remnants of the American government" is so insanely silly. You can't just claim to be a group while following none of the principals of said group and circumventing all rules related to it. If you could, I could claim to be Jesus of Nazareth and it would hold as much weight.

[copper ginkgo]

So we know the enclave is coming back in fallout season, 3 in a Colorado enclave base in the Colorado Rockies. Thanks to Hank, they now have the microchips and are initiating their phase 2 plan anyways. In season 2, you were introduced to the pre-war President, who has previously been incredibly elusive and mysterious. We have basically not known anything about him

However , in season two , they show us for the first time in the series and he's played by clancy brown now the general consensus is that he went to the poseidon , oil rig even the fallout wiki states this

Whilst this may be true in the short term , I believe that he is at the colorado enclave base

Why

Well, most people believe he stays there.When the bombs drops and his descendants run it until the chosen one destroys it however, the only evidence that supports this is fallout.Four , where the bugle says that the president has been running the country there for about a year and a half before the bombs drop in that the president has been silent

Whoever there is no evidence that definitively states, he is there when the bombs drop.And when you play fallout too , there is absolutely zero mention of him

There is also a fallout seventy six signature with the letters d , and I which people think means that there's like dick juniors and stuff , and so he is dick , richardson the problem is this also isn't definitive , and it could be a red herring meant to trick people

Season, 2 has shown us that the enclave has had a base in the Colorado Rockies where they've been able to spy on everyone, and they've had radio transmissions all this time.But have stayed silent.It is also shown as that vault tech was probably one hundred percent a front for the enclave and so what they probably do is spy on the other factions , and then nuke them if they get to powerful

Anyways, we know that the enclave is incredibly powerful. Shadowy and secretive, especially since they wiped out the people that were gonna expose them for using alien technology. But, you know, who's also been incredibly mysterious and elusive, and we don't even know his name. Yes, it is the pre-war President.

So honestly , what I think happened is about halfway a year before the bombs dropped , the president went to the poseidon oil rig to distract the public and probably mister house.Also that they could focus on constructing the colorado enclave base that would be on the tallest point in america and have , of course , radio transmission , and be able to smile on everyone sense , hank says the surface is the experiment and since they knew that mister house was on to them , they would all go to this enclave base , the higher up that hank was trying to contact and wait for hank and steph to initiate phase 2 start their real game plan additionally, notoriously, the enclave has been pretty sucky and has lost a lot of times but what if this is intentional to make the people of the wasteland not suspect them to be a threat regardless, this is all why I believe the President is still alive and will come back.There's not that much evidence , but there's not really that much evidence for either side , it's more or less inferences

[hasty osprey]

liberty prime vs liberty prime alpha be like

[unique flint]

The existence of the Enclave could also lead to the existence of Enclave Reformists.

[hasty osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/obsidian-fury-gif-4135700521671931718

[olive wadi]

Arcade is on a cross

[unique flint]

Or a reformist faction of the Enclave.

[icy pagoda]

Still not sure why people think liberty prime alpha is
A. Different from regular liberty prime
B. Stronger instead of an earlier version
C. Worth doing the threepeat over

[mystic plaza]

I got over multiple liberty primes when they did it in 76 with the Storm Goliaths so, lol

[hasty osprey]

D how will quintus gather the resources to build a second one

[olive wadi]

Also it's ok to have fan service

[icy pagoda]

Off screen

[balmy pagoda]

Neg diffed a third time 😭

Lend me some X-02 armor Autumn, this is a teenager from a vault I’m up against

[icy pagoda]

It's okay to have fan service, bit it's also much better to not repeat the same shit for the third time lol

[unique flint]

I like to think Liberty Prime Alpha is the original design of Liberty Prime but had way too many flaws to put into production.

[olive wadi]

It's a staple of the series atp

[icy pagoda]

This is my thought too, normally an alpha version means the first model, not the best one

[olive wadi]

It's really not an issue

[icy pagoda]

2x is not a staple of the series, the brotherhood (for better and worse) are a staple of fallout

[mystic plaza]

Also the East has YEARS of experience with building, updating, and maintaining liberty prime. I also don't think the East will show. I think we'll see liberty prime, in it's alpha stages - flawed, and probably not feasible, but it'll still be cool to see a scene or two with him.

[unique flint]

Similar to how the T-51 was made as an improvement to the T-45.

[olive wadi]

Liberty Prime is one of the most popular fallout characters

[copper ginkgo]

Guys , I was using speech to text , i'm going to have to rewrite it so that's actually readable

[icy pagoda]

I do not think this is accurate. I think he's barely if at all in the top 3 most popular robots im fallout lol

[unique flint]

Fisto outclasses Liberty Prime.

[olive wadi]

Having a giant robot that throws nukes like a football while saying death to communism he is one of the few fallout characters even non fallout fans know of

[unique flint]

"Please assume the position"

[icy pagoda]

I think we will get a practical effects version for still shots of it being created, and then we will get some amount of time with a slightly well cgi version of prime before they find a way to yank the colf fusion and or large mass of fusion cores out of his ass / back.

[copper ginkgo]

@unique flint @grim ether

Most fans assume the pre-war President stayed on the Poseidon Oil Rig and died there, but there is no definitive canon evidence that he was on the rig when the bombs fell.

Fallout 4 only states that the President was running the country from an offshore location before the war not that he remained there. Fallout 2, which takes place on the Oil Rig, never directly mentions the pre-war President at all, only his supposed descendants. If he truly died there, the Enclave’s complete silence about him is strange. The Fallout 76 “D.I.” signature often cited as proof of his identity is also inconclusive and could easily be a red herring.

Season 2 of the Fallout show introduces a hidden Enclave base in the Colorado Rockies that has been quietly spying on the surface while remaining intentionally silent. The show strongly implies Vault-Tec was an Enclave front and that the surface world itself was the experiment.

The Enclave’s repeated post-war defeats may not be incompetence, but deliberate self-sabotage. Allowing visible Enclave factions to fail would make the organization appear fractured, weak, or extinct, ensuring that wasteland powers stop viewing them as a serious threat. While the surface focuses on the Brotherhood, NCR, and other factions, the Enclave’s true leadership remains untouched and unchallenged.

This makes the Poseidon Oil Rig more likely to have been a decoy to distract the public and mister house towards the nearing of the great war.while the real command — including the pre-war President — withdrew to a far more secure and secret location in Colorado. Hank attempting to contact “higher-ups” supports the idea that the Enclave’s core leadership still exists.

Conclusion: There is no proof the pre-war President died on the Oil Rig. Season 2 provides strong circumstantial evidence that he is alive — or still directing events — from the Colorado Enclave base. This doesn’t contradict canon; it fills a gap Fallout has intentionally left open.

[icy pagoda]

People who have not played fallout do not know about liberty prime, I doubt they know about a single robot besides maybe seeing art of Nick

[olive wadi]

They do lol he's the most memed character

[heady jasper]

So wonder how exactly the bos plans to build liberty prime, I'm thinking they're planning on using the cold fusion diode to power prime and they're gonna have like a fo4 type of situation in s3

Multiple factions vying for the diode

[icy pagoda]

Liberty Prime is the most memed character? This dude is just making shit up lol

[unique flint]

Oooooooooooh.

I like this theory. And it makes sense.

[olive wadi]

Every fallout meme in the wild is either Mr house, courier or liberty Prime

[mystic plaza]

It's possible, i do wonder if they will try to use Cold Fusion to power him.

[copper ginkgo]

Should I Post it on reddit

[unique flint]

I don't do Reddit anymore but it's your call.

[hasty osprey]

liberty prime alpha with zetan weaponry

[heady jasper]

I'd say, isn't that how he's powered in 4

[lilac raven]

"I am Caesar, I am the Legion, it ends with me" Holy shit, Edward was so petty at the end, he didn't give a fuck.

[heady jasper]

Isn't the object we get from Mass fusion some sort of cold fusion core

[hasty osprey]

hmmm first time?

[icy pagoda]

I think they are, I don't see it going away anytime soon and Quintus will want to get it back since he's all vindictive and reddity now lol

[unique flint]

"If I'm dying, you're going with me" ahh vibe.

[lilac raven]

naw, I always knew it because of the lack of institutions in colorado, but I genuinely laughed my ass off seeing that scene.

[heady jasper]

Quintus the destroyer, yea destroyer of the brotherhood

[grim ether]

I don't fuck with the fallout reddit but it'sd a good theory

[hasty osprey]

dude is on the same mindset as a commissar from 40k

[icy pagoda]

Quintus the Destroyer of having a sex life maybe, fuckin weirdo

[mystic plaza]

It's some type of fusion reactor, idk if cold fusion specifically

[unique flint]

I more or less got tired and distant with Reddit that I deleted my account on it.

[lilac raven]

the dark reality for the tribals of "we're only following a fucking narcisstic idiot". If only he gave a shit with uplifting the tribals with what he had atm instead of what others had.

[icy pagoda]

I'm not a Warhammer guy, but you seem cool, so I agree

[copper ginkgo]

I think their game plan is to microchip everyone

To make a pure and obedient america

Plus the f e v virus

They will have a pure america full of real americans and no more war, war will effectively end

[lilac raven]

Quintus raging out is hysterical.

[heady jasper]

Warhammer is great become a Warhammer guy

[hasty osprey]

xenophobic nutcase with religious zeal and a bullshit idealogy and willing to shoot his own men for just thinking out of line

[grim ether]

I agree with this I have recently been pulled into the Warhammer rabbithole

[unique flint]

But this will most likely end in failure too, right?

[grim ether]

Yes because the Super Mutants will defeat them with the power of friendship

[icy pagoda]

I simply do not want to dedicate the time and energy to Warhammer. I'm sure it's awesome, but I both do not have time and don't want to be horrifically depressed lol

[copper ginkgo]

Well, like to be fair.All plans like this have to fail.Because then Bethesda won't be able to make any more fallout games

[heady jasper]

I'm calling it, bos will fail which seems quite obvious, legion will fail because they're too evil to have as the winners in the show, enclave will fail because of course they will that's what they do, so I think the show is going to end with House/NCR Vegas alliance

[copper ginkgo]

But not before prolonging the wasteland by nuking it some more

[icy pagoda]

This is not helping the "Quintus is just new Elijah" accusations lol

[heady jasper]

It's cool tho it makes the bos more interesting

[copper ginkgo]

Imagine you're wrong in the enclave squash , everyone

[icy pagoda]

The legion has to fail, they aren't played seriously enough in the show to have a real shot at winning lol

[heady jasper]

McNamara in NV was so fuckin boring , couldn't help but accidentally detonate their bunker

[grim ether]

Frank Horrigan 2.0 incoming because I wans a live action Frank Horrigan

[grim ether]

"Accidentally"

[copper ginkgo]

FR

[meager elm]

The amount of Warhammer fans in the fallout community is astounding

[heady jasper]

Yea it sucks tho because I love Macaulay as Caesar so I hope they don't get completely wiped out

[icy pagoda]

I'd be far more interested of they played it more seriously. Like a big part of what makes NV and fallout in general special is taking a goofy concept and playing it straight.

[unique flint]

So just curious, if you were the Elder of a BoS faction, where would you be and what would you do with it?

[heady jasper]

Also idk if this is accurate but it looked like every single legion guy was white , except Asian Caesar of course

[grim ether]

My thing is that he's just not intimidating. Edward was intimidating, Lanius (leader or not) was intimidating. Culkin is a great actor, just not intimidating in terms of Legion. If he was any other leader of a faction like BoS, Enclave, etc. then maybe. Just not Legion though

[lilac raven]

BoS will fail because yeah, they degraded across the entire series in the fallout games. Lyons was their last shot, and they blew it. Legion will fail because again, they lack proper infrastructure and it's future died with Caesar.

[icy pagoda]

I'd instantly pull a Lyons, only decent person elder besides the 45 minutes Sarah had off screen lol

[unique flint]

There's always that one guy.

[hasty osprey]

power armor, religious knights wearing power armor, techno addicts, green buff men aka shreks,

[lilac raven]

BoS will most likely end up as a hostile force.

[heady jasper]

I'm thinking they probably just got fans to do the background legionnaires and there's probably a disproportionate amount of legion fans that are white

[unique flint]

And where would you settle?

[heady jasper]

All the guns in the show looks so good, really hope the next game incorporates some of those

[lilac raven]

huh?....

[icy pagoda]

Probably the midwest. Great agriculture and if I stick around kansas it would be super easy to get a bunch of airships going to start helping more people.

[heady jasper]

My favorite thing so far was that weird explosive smg thing the ghoul used against Khans in the first episode

[lilac raven]

...the radium rifle?

[heady jasper]

No

[meager elm]

To be fair Lyons barely let Sarah fight the enclave because he was scared he would lose

[icy pagoda]

Plus the majority of the midwests water comes from an underground aquifer which would likely be a good source of radiation free water

[lilac raven]

OH, the khans, that looked like a nade launcher.

[twin perch]

so who do you guys think the true owner of vault tec is?

[icy pagoda]

I just mean that she died between 3 and 4 and all we got was like 2 lines of dialogue about it, very lame stuff

[meager elm]

Yea but arthur could be a biased story teller

[heady jasper]

Yup but it had a magazine which is cool, cuz it looks like the m79 grenade launcher or whatever it's called which is single shot break action

[meager elm]

We'll see in season 3 what's up with the commonwealth

[hasty osprey]

i don't think they have a ceo it's just runned by executives

[lilac raven]

yeah, it's a ramshackled nade launcher with a magazine on it, interesting.

[icy pagoda]

I do agree that it would be a great fake out, unfortunately it's been 18 years since we saw her so I kinda just don't care anymore lol

[hasty osprey]

it could be a llc

[meager elm]

shareholders

[lilac raven]

that pipe rifle one of the khans had looked nice.

[copper ginkgo]

But Rome alone

[heady jasper]

Do u have a picture

[icy pagoda]

Man, they really did destroy novac just for a 3 minute fight sequence to never bring it up again huh

[lilac raven]

yeah, lemme snip

[icy pagoda]

Wonder what happened to Boone. I however do not wonder what happened to Boones wife

[cursive musk]

The Ghoul is genuinely one of the best and coolest characters in decades

[heady jasper]

I'm guessing he kills himself

[heady jasper]

That's one of his endings in NV

[icy pagoda]

It would track, dude is titanically depressed

[lilac raven]

not a side loader, looks like a....screwdriver foregrip?

coil on the mid section?

[heady jasper]

And it's the most realistic because he literally blasted a hole through his wife's own head with a clear view through a scope

[icy pagoda]

It's a shame he gets so memed on, his story is actually one of the most tragic ones in fallout that I can think of. Having to do that must have been incredibly painful in a way you can not come back from

[neat stone]

The microchip plan is more coherent and less insane than releasing fev

At least

[lilac raven]

I mean, judging by it, it looks like the great khans either killed everyone there or bullied, or when people evacuated after the 2nd hoover dam fight, they moved on in, perhaps.

they've been there for a while, it looks like.

[unique flint]

My Brotherhood of Steel would be this...

• Set up in the Carolinas, main FOB in Charlotte, NC. Secondary FOB in Columbia, SC. Few outposts scattered along the two states including the USS North Carolina in Wilmingto, NC.

• A similar approach to Lyons but withhold certain technology that actually would be dangerous for mankind to use.

• Maintain a neutral stance with the other Brotherhood Chapters.

[heady jasper]

I honestly thought when Hank said he already sent out His R&D teams equipped with the latest models, that all of a sudden we were going to see mushroom clouds all around in the distance from them blowing up every civilization

[icy pagoda]

I like this, I would have a very tough time not eventually wanting to kill the other brotherhood chapters

[lilac raven]

it's funny, the NCR seems to be more competent over time than the BoS due to degradation of ideals and increase in savagery

[heady jasper]

NCR actually benefitted from shady being nuked

It cut the head off the snake that was political greed, now that all remains is the soldiers and the people they used to protect

[unique flint]

I would use the T-51 as our main PA while also incorporating Hellfire into the mix.

[icy pagoda]

I'm thinking I'd go a mix of T51 and Midwest Power armor with MAXIMUM capes

[dense wharf]

my brotherhood of steal would kill everyone and have awesome power armor

[neat stone]

Quintus seems to deify Roger Maxson when he was trying to convince the lady elder which is mental lmao

[unique flint]

We would also be industrial and agricultural dominant, using what factories are left and what fertile land is available to us.

[meager elm]

Finally someone agrees Boone DESERVES to be depressed

[lilac raven]

yeah, the leaders are all sorts of fucked.

a bastardization or twisted mockery of the Maxson's actual goals.

[meager elm]

He quotes the chain that binds then immediately goes against it with the other elders

[icy pagoda]

That's why I am thinking midwest is best, probably the best for agriculture in general.

[lilac raven]

wonder why the Midwest doesn't respond to any of these calls...maybe they don't care?

fully independent?

[unique flint]

We'd also have two airships called the Defiance and Croatan.

[mystic plaza]

I'd assume they're either dead, or perfectly fine on their own. Lol

I think if push ever came to shove, they'll answer, but - they're probably independent.

[unique flint]

We (The Carolina Brotherhood) would be staunchly neutral.

Why should we be concerned about some civil war in the West when we have our problems to deal with in the Carolinas?

[glacial yew]

colorado brotherhood must be intense if they have to deal with the enclave

[fallow gyro]

massive mutated kudzu engulfing the carolinas and mile wide potholes

[unique flint]

That's two of our major problems.

[fallow gyro]

I am unfortunately all too familiar with both

[unique flint]

We also face...

• A Unity-like Super Mutant faction
• Organized Raider Factions in the Appalachians
• Minor to major famines in parts of the Carolinas
• A rogue Brotherhood faction in the Coastal Regions
• A militaristic faction of the Children of Atom

So yeah, we have more important matters to deal with than be concerned about a Brotherhood Civil War in the West.

[fallow gyro]

bad stuff, stay safe!

[unique flint]

Ad Victorium.

[fringe vine]

I wanna see the Children of Atom militarized

Using radiation as a weapon while they’re fine in it

[fallow gyro]

they already do to an extent

the far harbor branch was heavily militarized, they use marine armor and radium rifles

[fringe vine]

Oh I meant in the show

[placid sapphire]

Recycling, recycling never changes

[rustic yarrow]

The NCR scene made my heart melt

[solid grail]

Admittedly, it was nice to see what probably could be counted as the ‘proper’ NCR again.

[lilac raven]

well, only 35k people out of 1.1 million were gone, I genuinely doubted the NCR would be gone. Would there be about a decade of unrest and disorder? For sure, but once a council or form of leadership takes over (which probably came from the next highest ranking officer, probably a colonel), that was it. After that, it's a matter of logistics and orders.

[lilac raven]

"You're not alone out there...the NCR always has your back"

https://klipy.com/gifs/ranger-fallout-1

[fallow gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/top-gun-top-gun-maverick-salute-tom-cruise-military-gif-26899454

[fallow gyro]

NCR Mojave Operations: Reinstated and Rearmed

[lilac raven]

made my friend shed a tear with that silly quote lol

[unique flint]

"We won't go quietly. The Legion can count on that."

[fallow gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-fallout-ncr-sodaz-gif-16126605307916270329

[heady jasper]

The reveal was pretty damn good

Idk if it could be better tbh

[lilac raven]

wondering where's the next solid branch for the NCR...my guess is The Hub? Vault City?

[heady jasper]

I thought those were the eastern battalion guys

[unique flint]

My only gripe is I saw no service rifle begin held by the NCR Troopers.

There probably were a couple in there that had them but they were well hidden.

[lilac raven]

she was looking for them, yeah, most likely those guys were out taking care of Legion flanks and put them down while the Legion was killing each other.

[lilac raven]

right? Don't get me wrong, that rifle is standard looking, but it's a solid gun.

[heady jasper]

Loved how Thaddeus uses his foot to shoot

[unique flint]

Plus it's the main weapon of the NCR.

[heady jasper]

What kind of weapons did they even have besides anti materiel rifles

[lilac raven]

I think I saw hunting rifles and lever actions.

[heady jasper]

Think I saw a pump shotgun

[unique flint]

You can have the NCR but don't take our favorite gun from us.

[heady jasper]

Rewatching the episode now to see more details

[unique flint]

If you see any service rifles, let me know.

[lilac raven]

at max power, the service rifle can put out 44 damage a shot, not including handloading or hollow points.

[lilac raven]

with rapid fire, to boot.

[fallow gyro]

anti materiel rifle and brush gun my beloved

[unique flint]

Any service rifles or anything that could be a service rifle?

[heady jasper]

"I used to make money for a living" gotta be one of the funniest lines

[vernal linden]

Him just shaking them out of his pant leg is comedy gold.

[lilac raven]

.45-70 Gov, because nothing fucks like the government.

[heady jasper]

Never noticed it was Cooper that suggested they go to Colorado

[lilac raven]

I'm interested to see the midwest and it's fauna/local wildlife.

maybe we'll finally see some intelligent, hairy deathclaws and such.

[heady jasper]

I saw one AR style weapon in the NCR formation

But it had a modern hollow kind of stock like the marksman carbine but even lighter

Oh wait NVM that was a galil

I'm just seeing shotguns, sniper rifles, AMRs, galils and RPDs

Not that that bothers me those are all cool guns

[lilac raven]

RPD is...odd, but alrighty.

I would think just a FN Minimi or so

or a M249 saw.

[heady jasper]

Wait I just thought of something

What if all of v33 dwellers were chipped and activating phase 2 turns the chips on

Also strange that Hank of all people was the one who could Initiate this enclave plan

I wonder if House will employ Lucy and Max next since they're up in his room

[next scarab]

holy shit the NCR is so back 🗣️

[unique flint]

Oh well. Well there's always next season for the service rifle to make an appearance.

[unique flint]

It still has the same outcome if nothing was written on it.

[heady jasper]

Kinda lame they had an episode called the hand off and didn't even show coop handing Janey to Barb when the bombs were falling

[tiny lake]

Its basically just the chinese assault rifle but with a drum mag

In Fo3 the chinese assault rifle was designed after an RPD

[severe bloom]

oh is the ncr back

[vast dust]

Ncr sweep

[heady jasper]

They are back

[vast dust]

Long live the republic cant stop the bear lost a head but got another

[lilac raven]

enclave's gonna be pissed that NCR is still out and about.

[heady jasper]

I hope there's a scene where a ranger with an AMR takes down a whole legion column with one shot lolol

Should be a reference to Indiana Jones and the last crusade

[mystic cairn]

Couldn’t Barb and Janey still potentially be dead. I mean that postcard could be 200yrs old

[unique flint]

That's certainly a possibility.

[harsh bolt]

NCR is less powerfull than it was before

So that wont be a problem for the enclave

[vast dust]

The enclave could barely handle a weakened bos

Plus a tribal and his ragtag group

[patent dagger]

Tbf its not like a fully scale war

[devout inlet]

[patent dagger]

Is there enough time in story you think for qunitus to have been chipped slyly

[devout inlet]

So is the ghoul going to meet Joshua Graham?

He has to cross Zion just to get to Colorado and follow the river

[patent dagger]

As cool as it would be i don’t want either dead

And those two would get in a fight quickly

[devout inlet]

He’ll definitely run into the white legs or the dead horses

[patent dagger]

White legs barley survive honest hearts

[devout inlet]

We get a fan service moment and be crosses by a giant rock scratching of Salt in Wounds

[violet elm]

I just realized, Maximus basically have it all

[patent dagger]

Yeah lucy, power armour and not dead

[violet elm]

He became a hero of freeside even got the courage to go toe to toe with a deathclaw with nothing but a makeshift spear and shield even after losing his power armour

[patent dagger]

Has anyone but me noticed the brotherhood forgoing their traditional energy weapons

[violet elm]

for once he actually made a difference, bagged 8 deathclaws beating Arthur Maxon's record

[patent dagger]

To bad the brotherhood would likely put his head on a spike

[violet elm]

Quntius's chapter and the Commonwealth chapter is gonna hunt him down knowing full well the news of his good deeds most likely already spread

meanwhile, Thaddeus is gonna be rich after winning the bet

[patent dagger]

Yeah quintus chapter barely has energy weapons when compared to all other chapters we see

[patent dagger]

Maybe not since A) he cheated by killing one himself
B) the ncr saved the day

[glacial yew]

the house always wins

[devout inlet]

So will season 3 just The legion trying to siege new vegas, while ghoul man goes through a spiritual journey with the tribals abused by the enclave, and finally Lucy’s brother gets to see FEV first hand

[glacial yew]

lucys brother and his gf will singlehandedly repopulate the vaults

[patent dagger]

Presuming any are left given a cargo train

[mystic plaza]

Yeah I didn't consider the population of Colorado or it's state, but if that train is working and the Enclave has a consistent flow of Live Cargo in and out of their base - the implication there is pretty terrifying and not something the Legion can withstand I think.

[patent dagger]

Alternatively they could be shipping their dogs and things out

[jagged wing]

If hank didn't erase any info on the brain chips from vault database, then I think Lucy could use that data to invent a scanner to see who's microchipped and who's not.

[charred sapphire]

the war in s3 will be either fought off screen or the last episode of s3, going by the way the writers operate on the show

[fallen ledge]

He failed a speech check trying to get them to help my boy Maximus

[jagged wing]

I mean how else could they know who's an enclave puppet and who's not

[patent dagger]

Quintus is my bet

[tame owl]

Thing is they now have access and control to the vault so like... if you turn the chips off, it won't matter

[patent dagger]

Those ones are controlled separately

[charred sapphire]

The NCR are gone from LA and all the way along the road to the NV frontier, so by the show's account they are gone.

The season finale and the NCR battalion is more of an attempt by the writers to pretend they're doing a good job at handling the NCR, when it just creates more questions, like why are they recapturing mojave instead of LA

aka their actual core states

[patent dagger]

Feelgood we get it

[tame owl]

I think it's bad handling as well but I'm not as doomer as Feelgood on this.

I said in the E7 chat that the NCR was gonna be deus ex machina and boom, there they are.

But I don't think there's any malice in it. I think it's just badly written as they wanted to do other things.

[charred sapphire]

I mean it is, the masses clap when the NCR shows up not really understanding why they're meant to be amazing, while the actual version of NCR we get in the show are morons shuffling in the sand, and battalions teleporting around with no logic, if you were a hyper casual fan why would you care about the NCR over the BoS?

[charred sapphire]

Yeah that was always what was going to happen, but I expected them to have at least a few lines to explain why they're there.

I doubt any casual who watched s3 understands the difference between NCR and BoS except they have no cool armor

[tame owl]

I think the show does do a good job of showing what the goals and vibes of he NCR are.

The issue is it suffers from making everyone a bit dumb to add whimsy.

Sure you've got that veteran sniping the deathclaw for the new vegas vibes, but then they're marching in formation in the street? Get in the fucking buildings lads?

They're going for spectacle without really earning it and it feels lesser because of it.

But if you look at what the ranger says and how Lucy reacts, and how we saw Shady in the flashbacks, the vibes are there.

[round crow]

Yeah while I loved that

One deathclaw would have demolished the battalion

[charred sapphire]

in FNV the 2 rangers would be treated as someone like the survivalist, they're not depicted as part of any organization like NCR in every game is

unless there's a ranger outpost network like in FNV which there isnt, they're just isolated random desert weirdos

[tame owl]

Like, the NCR isn't the legion, they don't act like that. They may not have the best trained troops but they have some concept of the reality they're in.

So marching in to the street for the aura like that is... why

I do wonder whether they intended to do more, what with freeside cheering the NCR for coming back - then it comes back

[charred sapphire]

that's a microcosm of bethesda's understanding of fallout, they hitch up recognizable iconography without really understanding what it means

[tame owl]

But yeah, they just poofed the NCR out of nowhere after showing them as dead and gone for 2 seasons. That's just shit writing.

[charred sapphire]

like the shot of the veteran ranger sniping a fiend is preceeded by showing the casinos and life and civilization of the strip, contrasted with the lawless wasteland outside

amazon/bethesda copies this shot framing without understanding why, just for the sake of fanservice

[tame owl]

I don't think that that bad.

Because at that guy's back is an entire NCR company.

My issue is that they did that as a vibe check then we got what we did after which was a company marching round a corner while deathclaws are right fucking there, and "we'll take it from here" while everyone's still in formation

GET IN THE FUCKING BUILDINGS AND UP HIGH

Like, even if they were dispersing to deal with it as she talked to him, it'd have been far beter

But no, we just got aura farmers... while marching with a roman style banner while being the NCR? Why not wave a flag not a banner?

[charred sapphire]

if we're being accurate they shouldn't be wearing mint condition uniforms anyway, unless they just took a train from NCR heartland or whatever regional HQ from which they have a supply connection to the capital

yet we don't know any of this exists, it's just as likely they fast traveled there

[tame owl]

We don't know anything. We don't know where those guys came from.

[charred sapphire]

in NV the troops are wearing shitty mishmash uniforms and barely functioning equipment because it highlights the state of the campaign

[tame owl]

Yeah but with the loss of Shady maybe the NCR is pivoting towards going for Vegas and the Dam properly - we just don't know.

That's my issue.

Everything could have a reasonable explanation but the problem is we have no knowledge at all to back anything up.

[charred sapphire]

from LA all the way to the frontier of NV NCR doesn't have any established settlements

[tame owl]

Like, we already know Shady stopped being the capital before it was nuked due to the sign.

[charred sapphire]

their current military goal should be recapturing every core territory they've lost to BoS

and realistically the mojave should be long forgotten bridge too far

legion are also portrayed as a joke, but the map still shows them holding large territories, but somehow the frontlines havent changed since NV even though their main enemies got nuked and invaded by BoS. it's just an impossible scenario

[tame owl]

Yeah the legion is a complete joke.

They've been completely butchered for laughs but no-one cares as realistically very few ever actually supported them.

[charred sapphire]

if we're being candid, maybe they're being constantly attritioned by the teleporting and instantly respawning NCR battalion

but yeah, somehow the NCR is sustaining a mojave campaign, and the khans and west coast BoS are able to keep legion in check

[tame owl]

I mean those rangers were cut off by the legion. Potentially the NCR was trying from the other side constantly.

But I'm more on about the situation at the fort.

It's insane.

I do think as batshit as the succession was it's kind of on point - the legion would die with Caesar unless someone could take it over.

But the civil war for ages over the same fort? With that hill in the middle? Come on.

[hushed hollow]

What was Max actually thinking, going against a deathclaw with a pool cue and a roulette wheel

[round crow]

Savior complex

[charred sapphire]

its not clarified where the legion and the NCR rangers were at. the show constantly gets geography wrong so it doesnt really matter, they could be anywhere

[tame owl]

I don't think he thought it'd work.

I think he felt he had to try. He had to do something. He had to be that knight he's always wanted to be etc

[hushed hollow]

Makes sense

[tame owl]

Even if it'd be better to bail, get inside, and find a rifle or something etc.

[round crow]

I disliked maximus until the last 3 episodes or so, he definitely grew as a character

[tame owl]

Like, literally everything Max has done is guided by that knight in shining armour the show regularly shows us.

He knew the different finishes of power armour but couldn't recognise that radio chip in the first episode etc. His whole character and vibe is that of the saviour.

[charred sapphire]

he was ready to die basically, his BoS dream had collapsed and he saw that he could at least try and inspire people before he dies

[tame owl]

I actually think it's really interesting that he ended up in NCR armour as that's like him coming home, and being able to be the knight he wanted

not tainted with the BoS he was with

yeah

Like, he's lost both homes at that point

[round crow]

Mhm

[charred sapphire]

no he had given up, he was going to suic*de by deathclaw there

[tame owl]

I know

He's lost both homes that mattered to him

He's trying to be the change he wants to see in the wasteland

Even if it means he dies.

But yeah Max has really grown on me now he's been out and truly seen what's going on.

[charred sapphire]

the freesiders are another thing thats extremely dumb in the show, they really act like NPCs. i dont know if this is by design? but it kinda undermines that scene

[tame owl]

Like, I thought he was a well done character before but I couldn't like him much because he wasn't as well rounded as I'd want a character to be. But now he is.

[tame owl]

Pretty much everyone involved in that episode has had a lobotomy I swear to god.

I assumed the veteran was a freesider who had leftover armour at first, someone actually taking some fucking initiative

Nope, Deus Ex California

[charred sapphire]

hes really boring on his own but i did enjoy him with lucy. thaddeus is probably the worst character in the show so it ruins a lot of maximus's scenes

[tame owl]

Thaddeus gives me rick and Morty vibes

Deliberately awkward and often explaining his own humour or jokes while awkward.

[charred sapphire]

the ghoul impaled and the people just ignoring him was way worse, it made me think the scene was unfinished or something? like they just changed the background with greenscreen from empty street to busy street or something, waht the fuck

[charred sapphire]

its worse once you realize hes a fan favorite apparently

meanwhile even fo3, moira brown was pretty universally disliked for that same sort of energy she has with thaddius

[wispy furnace]

okay so the Legion is marching under Imperator Caesar Kevinus filli Callistri to Vegas, the NCR is back in Freeside (at least a company of them), and House is reactivated (albeit with no securitron army)

are we going to have the Third Battle of Hoover Dam next season or what

[tame owl]

Yeah the impaled ghoul was a bit ridiculous as well.

If a ghoul's turning in front of you, blow their brains out

I want next season to explore what the NCR and Legion are like with the ghoul being the relief, and going to Colorado etc.

Maybe then after that they can bring the BoS, having recovered, back in to play against the Enclave.

I just feel that they haven't really done any justice to anything Vegas this season.

I think the fact I totally forgot Norm and Steph's questline shows how much I give a shit about that

Even if Steph's an interesting character.

[charred sapphire]

the writers would have to do a 180 because the factions aren't what the story is about. i have a feeling they will avoid hank being found as the destroyer of shady since hes now a vegetable and lucy will probably protect him in the immediate aftermath.

but then again if they want to turn the direction around they could turn hank over to NCR and give them a reason to come back...? or whatever the real reason they're not returning to their heartland

[severe bloom]

OH WE FUCKING CALLED IT SINCE DAY 1

[charred sapphire]

they really didnt. they revealed there being a giant enclave base underneath the strip just serving as the villain's lair, whos now a lobotomite, and for the purpose of populating the strip with deathclaws. and for NCR they're included in as a 1min fanservice bit at the end. and freeside aren't a real community but a collective of people who act like robots with no survival instinct.

[severe bloom]

mcallister coded asf

[tame owl]

Yeah eating it is uh... dude that was on a corpse

[severe bloom]

it was on a corpse's satchel, sall good

MY GOAT THADDEUS

NEVER DOUBTED HIM ✊ ✊ ✊

where did this company come from?

[tame owl]

Who fucking knows.

Glad to show some level of resourcing NCR wise but they popped out of nowhere.

[severe bloom]

thats the power of DEMOCRATIC VALUES 🦅 🦅 🔥 🔥 🦅 🎆 🦅

[tame owl]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-ncr-fallout-ncr-ncr-ranger-ncr-veteran-ranger-gif-9078684923136592548

It does also annoy me how he's not remotely looking down the scope.

And like, did he bring the crate with him? It's labelled NCR

[heady jasper]

Be cool to see vault city or another place like it

[heady jasper]

I was a bit bothered by the zero recoil shown, like the barrel doesn't even shake

[severe bloom]

god forbid a ranger eyeball their shit

WE'RE GOING TO COLORADO

[quaint monolith]

He didn't need to use the scope, he used VATS

[patent dagger]

Butchered the legion is portrayed accurately from what i saw

[severe bloom]

wait is this the last episode of season 2

[patent dagger]

Yes

[severe bloom]

shiiiieeeett

t looks like both the ncr and legion have access to field guns a lot more since the last game?

wonder if the boomers had something to do with that

[glacial yew]

theres no way that small ncr unit is defeating the legion

unless the courier pops up in s3e1

[fluid sigil]

The helmet supposedly equipped with targeting inhibitor similar to VATs system on our pipboy

[fluid sigil]

After rewatching it

Why people acted surprised about their arrival

They could be walking from I15 just like in the game

It’s more shocking that they didn’t drive the truck to canonized that yes/no answer from Obsidian about NCR having working cars

[sour frost]

Y’all know if the enclave pull up to the vault, they’ll most likely kill Steph too

Especially if they find out she’s Canadian. So she kinda signed her death sentence

[shrewd helm]

Yeah but it's funny isn't it?
She pulls out what she thinks is a mcguffin just to get executed

I wonder how much of fallout tactics is gonna get cannonised in season 3
Oh and van buren I'm interested to see if they take anything from that

[patent dagger]

What song would that massacre go to

[patent dagger]

You know van buren is a big influence on nv minus the bonkers stuff

[tame owl]

The surprise is because the NCR has been consistently shown as dead and gone.

And yet here they are, a well supplied company, right in the nick of time

It just feels... wrong

[patent dagger]

God bless america

[tame owl]

Not that they can be there, they absolutely can, but that they are.

[patent dagger]

Makes you wonder where they were or where they came from

[tame owl]

Yeah.

Like, the rangers the ghoul etc finds talk about being cut off, but then are clearly shown to have no idea how long it's been, gone a bit mad... it's implied they're abandoned.

And all the NCR camps and shit are completely deserted. Hell, not even looted, for some reason. They left in a hurry and didn't take shit with them.

So for a company to just... appear... is odd.

Especially given around their heartland around shady we saw fuck all presence as well.

[charred sapphire]

why are ppl saying house is playing dead when lucy and max go and see him

like why would house play dead in his own tower, instead of asserting himself like he always does? seems really far fetched for his character

the only explanation to me is hes just lagging or something, really weird scene either way

[shrewd helm]

Might have taken a while to reroute himself to the big screen
And he was probably shouting on coop for a solid 20 minutes after being ditched

If we get leaks from S3 or just see in the trailer that they're using the FO Tactics style of armour for the ones in colorado I'm gonna squeal istg

[jagged wing]

Seriously out of all the trauma I'm glad Norm got himself a baddie like Claudia

[patent dagger]

I think there was just a delay between him transferring back

[pearl ferry]

He's playing dead because he wants a cool entrance, they screwed it up when they went to the window without waiting

[patent dagger]

Or house whilst able to monitor all systems simultaneously can only manifest one at a time

[gaunt temple]

Based on what House said and previous information from the new owner of the Wrangler, The Enclave was(is?) In the Mojave and set the Deathclaws from Quarry Junction in to the Strip.

Right? Also my god that was good bro

The Enclave were always such funny characters to me because as a player they aren't threatening at all cause I can just shoot them up, but now? 😵‍💫 Good luck to y'all.

[fluid sigil]

God bless the Enclave

[odd saddle]

One enclave one America

Now and forever

[pearl ferry]

Also, how did a twerp like Hank get accepted into the enclave

[obtuse niche]

His association to the enclave remains pretty unclear, but most likely he was a plant in barb's office

[rocky turtle]

Him being a dummy could be acting for the enclave

[elder fiber]

who's paying these troops?

[tame owl]

We don't know. We know literally nothing.

[elder fiber]

was more of a unserious question

[patent dagger]

They needed guys in vault tec,

[odd saddle]

I’m a lil confused was everyone in the management vault 31 shot apart of the enclave it didn’t seem like betty was

[patent dagger]

No but they may have been aware of a phase 2

Likely only hank or hank and bud were clued in fully, ronnie may also have known

[odd saddle]

But the other guy wanted to “contact the investors”

[sacred idol]

Nick of time? That whole company was probably just waiting there 5 minutes or so for the Deathclaw to turn the corner.

[patent dagger]

I added ronnie

[tame owl]

"Wait until his armour's done for maximum aura farming"

[odd saddle]

Yea I see that now

[obtuse niche]

Probably not no

[patent dagger]

I reckon only 3/4 of vault 31 knew the full details and even the last one steph was likely not fully in the know

[obtuse niche]

We've only seen two people mention phase 2 and both had close ties to the vault's creation

[patent dagger]

I presume bud knew as well since its how ronnie learned

[obtuse niche]

Presumably it was bud's idea

[random star]

Does steph even know what phase 2 is

[patent dagger]

Now whether bud was an enlcave member i doubt that

[patent dagger]

Likely no
Honest prediction: she gets a message back thanking her for her service before she is betrayed

[violet elm]

maybe a useful idiot to the Enclave

[odd saddle]

Well he atleast knew abt phase 2

[patent dagger]

Yes because like was said above was likely part of his idea

[violet elm]

I have 2 theories, Steph would release the FEV into the vault and escape using a protective suit, or the Enclave will rescue her

[patent dagger]

I theorise she will get dosed too

[violet elm]

not too far off, the enclave might not even hesitate to experiment on their own guys if they wish to

[obtuse niche]

Historically they've been willing to experiment on whoever

[patent dagger]

They did frank horrigan

[fluid sigil]

I need to vent another subject in ep8

Remember when Cooper and Barbara were discussing where would they go at the airport

Cooper said Colorado which became plot point later is nice touch to chekhov’s gun and reference

But Barbara said “Bakersfield”
That’s Necropolis in Fallout 1 but
Who the heck suggested going to “Bakersfield”
Who in your life irl or in media you ever met that say “let’s go to Bakersfield”

Some fanservice reference was just too absurd for me to be enjoyed by it

[obtuse niche]

I don't see why they'd care about Hank too much lowkey

I think they're watching this soap opera of a family dynamic going down and preparing to do whatever will be most dramatic

[patent dagger]

Probably not but he did their work so

[obtuse niche]

The tv show is presumably the enclave's main form of radio entertainment

[patent dagger]

I picture now the vault experiments being on in the enclave break room

[sacred idol]

Tbf, Bakersfield in Fallout isn't the same as our Bakersfield

[patent dagger]

So do you think the ghoul initially went to vault 12

Cause bakersfield keeps coming up

[violet elm]

do you think Bakersfield is where Barbara grew up? maybe wanna go down a sort of memory lane?

[patent dagger]

I think coop may have sheltered there since the door did not close

Anyone noticed dogmeat teleports back to coops side a lot

[bleak moth]

Dogmeat is the goodest girl and protects her person

[patent dagger]

Debatable she flees the scene loads

[fluid sigil]

Just like my dogmeat in 4

[bleak moth]

She went and fetched help tho

[sacred idol]

Dogmeat in 4 is a door blocker

[violet elm]

Lucy in my opinion has the characteristics of your typical Marry Sue in her world which is the vault, she basically have everything, she learned the ropes and grew up by the book but the second she stepped into the wasteland her Innexperience on her new environment shows alot which makes her skills a little meaningless

[patent dagger]

She also fled the deathclaws

[violet elm]

it took some time for her to adapt to her new environment

[bleak moth]

She's a dog not a tank ._.;

[violet elm]

Norm looks like the embodiment of 1hp but damn he adapts very fast

[patent dagger]

She comes and goes

[fluid sigil]

Yeah, it’s kinda refreshing seeing our protagonist just got absolutely beaten by common level 1 goon

Although it followed by cliche of “Cooper coming to save her” instead of cool storyline of her escaping herself

At least they are sticking with Lucy replaced finger and didn’t went with her hand magically heal after sometime passed

[violet elm]

Lucy isn't made for the wasteland that's for sure, she's too trusting, the shit she goes through are paved with good intention especially when she helped a Legion Slave

it's honestly amazing

[patent dagger]

So is max to an extent

[violet elm]

Max is born into the wasteland but he grew up in the NCR so there's a little more order from where he's from but not to the point of being isolated as a vault as the issue are still outside their doorstep

but in turn, he get some form of experience on recognizing threats

before later being raised by the Brotherhood

[random star]

Dogmeat fetched the ncr clearly

[patent dagger]

Coopers flaw is he has spent to long making enemies and its gonna bite him hard soon

[fluid sigil]

Speaking of
People always saying they like Cooper story or Max story
But am I the only one who invested in Lucy story the most
I legit have hated for Cooper after that ep where he shot Lucy with dart and about to sent her back home

Not only that, Cooper might be “badass wastelander” for viewers but if you were in Lucy’s shoes, would you trust a ghoul who shot one of his friend and eat his corpse, forced us to be a bait for Monster, cut off our finger, killed innocent bystander without explaining and most importantly SOLD us to organ harvesters?

When Lucy punched that Ghoul I was hoping he would legit die there and his story arc end

[random star]

Why whould they kill off a main character

[violet elm]

I'm excited to see the Commonwealth Brotherhood, my god I can already imagine some of their Paladin wearing the same colour scheme as Paladin Danse

[fluid sigil]

Because Cooper is an asshole?

I would NOT travel with him if this is my fallout playthrough

[patent dagger]

The ghoul is an ass and its why i think he may eventually kill a grown up janey by mistake

[patent dagger]

Is he any worse than jericho

Damn who is the evil new vegas companion

[fluid sigil]

Jericho is hired goon with bad karmas. He never did anything to us and he only travel with us if we were as bad

[patent dagger]

Do you think moria brown still lives given her book keeps turningup

[solid grail]

Wouldn’t be surprised if she’s one of the chipped at this point.

[patent dagger]

Who

My current speculation for chipped is quintus but the chips subtle pushing him to cripple the brotherhood

[odd saddle]

Yes

[patent dagger]

I want her to return in 5

[odd saddle]

I wanna romance her

[patent dagger]

She has either aged up or ghoulified

[odd saddle]

Idc

[patent dagger]

If 76 wasn’t in the past you could craft a good quest involving her sending you investigate to dangerous wildlife

[hollow hawk]

ok how come we have a scene with cooper with his daughter just watching the bombs drop at the distance then he is getting arrested ? something missing in the middle ?

[patent dagger]

Flip it round

We are missing the middle but you have it the wrong way

He got arrested
Divorced and branded a pinko
Worked a party job with janey when the bombs dropped

[fossil flicker]

Is it just me, or the end of Hank was kinda sad

[hollow hawk]

That makes sense, yeah.
I dont mind them retconning since well, we are used to this in Fallout.
But what about House, in the show he needs the diode to ¨live forever¨ but doesnt in game

[patent dagger]

He explicitly says in this episode his body is dead

[fossil flicker]

True, also im still shocked the enclave is still around

[hollow hawk]

He did ? oh well I missed it or didnt understand.

[patent dagger]

I am not nv and 76 opened that door a little

[patent dagger]

So in new vegas he is alive, but with cold fusion he transcended his body entirely

[fossil flicker]

Anyways, im still mourning Hank, i Hope he gets his memories back

[shrewd helm]

I think he's taking the piss and playing it up

[fossil flicker]

Actually yeah,

[shrewd helm]

Imagine that
Lucy looks away for 3 minutes and he runs like fuck to the enclave

[fossil flicker]

That would make so much sense as his reaction did not change immiediately like in the others

[shrewd helm]

Yeah exactly what I'm thinking
Although.. Assuming the crowbar did kill welch it could be a kinda "you killed the main source of our overwritten personalities so now we're shells"

Like since she's not hooked up anymore the chips kinda just hollow you out and make you into a genuine backgroundless NPC

[patent dagger]

Hank spelled out not all were programmed via welch

[shrewd helm]

Yeah some are custom programmed by someone else to make them "carryout orders written centuries ago" which is clearly just a call for enclave sympathisers

[patent dagger]

I think quintus has become one

[shrewd helm]

Or at least i think so
They could be a tad reformist these days and let SELECT wastelanders into their ranks

[shrewd helm]

I'm still convinced he's ex legion or some other kind of cult his sect is just fucking weird it makes the children of atom look normal

[dense wharf]

no he's not that weird for brotherhood

[random star]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-prime-communism-fallout-liberty-gif-12286995

Live action prime?

[shrewd helm]

Compared to some chapters he is
Even harkness (assuming he was genuinely from Boston) thought they were weird asf
Okay granted there was that one scribe who fucked a robot that was weird

[dense wharf]

hes weird because he wants to unify the brotherhood

[shrewd helm]

I still think lyons was the best choice honestly
Mix his ideals with the old ideals of still collecting technology and you have the brotherhood that should have been

[dense wharf]

otherwise nothing quintus' chapter does is really any different from other brotherhood sects

kill mutants, recover technology

[shrewd helm]

Have knights that think they're high school jocks and be ruled by scribes
That's... As far as I'm aware not normal in the brotherhood but also not unheard of

It's a kinda grey area

[fossil flicker]

Watch house take over liberty prime next season

[shrewd helm]

He is a product of robco
He'd be stupid to not have a backdoor

Although i think it'll be house taking over the one quintus seems to wanna build
And then the commonwealth will have to put it down

I'm surprised the enclave don't have a liberty prime honestly
If it were me personally that's the first thing I'd be lifting when the bombs dropped
Get your ass out to DC we're lifting prime from the pentagon

And yes obviously prime is a product of Bethesda so "he didn't exist yet in our understanding of the timeline" is a very valid excuse
But it still irks me

[tame owl]

Liberty prime is one of those things where I don't think the enclave would ever remotely expect it to be fielded, and they don't realistically need its firepower.

They're not in the game to take land and control large swathes of the country.

They're more smash and grab and hidden bases etc

And they don't expect to run up against one because who the fuck could manage that

[patent dagger]

Prime on prime vs prime

[patent dagger]

Original or qunitus liberty prime at home

[sacred idol]

Prime vs Prime, it's on Prime

[covert raptor]

Prime and prime vs enclave on prime: the football special

[solid grail]

Primebowl, get hype!

[copper ginkgo]

Guys like the improvement?

[sacred idol]

Enclave really likes old guys, huh

[supple crest]

Top tier stuff for the season finale

[supple crest]

Well theyre all politicians. Theyre typically old.

Alot of plot twists in the finale than I expected. And it looks like Nevada is gonna have NCR vs Legion round 3

At this point I think howards family may have passed away or were killed years prior to the show

[copper ginkgo]

Yuh

[copper ginkgo]

More like Full force Legion Vs Practically dead tiny group of NCR rangers

[copper ginkgo]

Turned into mutants at the Colorado Enclave facility

[gaunt temple]

I genuinely expected House to deploy the Securitron Army and save Max at the end lol did not expect that cool asf FNV intro recreation.

[supple crest]

I forgot about liberty prime making another appearance 😅

[mortal swift]

the more i think about it the more I hate how the ceasar plotline ended

[supple crest]

It went exactly expected tbh. Caesar never planned for someone to rule other than him. If he dies, the legion dies. This outcome is 100% what is to come, someone else taking control

[dense wharf]

what'd you hate about it

[calm depot]

i thought it was very in charachter for caeser to write that note

[mortal swift]

Yes he did though

Have you played the game? He straight up nominates the courier as his succesor

[mortal swift]

His goal is to establish a state why would he write that note

[supple crest]

Yes and you should also know, the ending of NV is not Canon to the series.

None of the endings of NV is canon.

[calm depot]

it's caeser, most of his descions are not for the good of the legion it's more just becuase he wants to do something

[mortal swift]

Hes an idiot but his goal is to establish a long term state

[supple crest]

Him choosing the courier is just another universe. In this case, it fits Caesars personality perfectly as he wants all power to be directed to him. If its not him, its no one else then

[mortal swift]

yes but the decisions he makes in that ending are still indicative of his personality

[calm depot]

could also be argued that caeser saw who is likely to take place when he's gone (lucius or lanius) and just thought they were not "good" enough to lead the legion, so he decided that it ends with him

just a theory though... a... game... theory....

[supple crest]

His goal is the rule through fear and enslave woman. How tf you gonna start a state nation with those ideals? That plan has many issues. He wasn't thinking perfectly long term other than control land and have no back ups, no essential personnel to do things. Thats not long term thinking, thats a man with an ego and power hungry

[supple crest]

And so does the note. The note is very much what hes write down.

[mortal swift]

His idea is that hes going to simulate human process historically starting at rome and that is what rome did so he trys to simulate that

[mortal swift]

The note is in the show not the game, i am saying that note is inconsistent with his character in the game

[humble widget]

this show is just perfection

[supple crest]

Yes and regardless of it not being in the show, it still falls down into something that caesar WOULD write if theres no one he wants to be his heir. Hes a power hungry, egotistical idiot.

[humble widget]

hed probally have the courier shot

if he won during the legion ending

[tame owl]

Honestly his character in game is smart enough to know that the legion is done when he is

[supple crest]

Exactly. Him choosing the courier or not doesnt matter much as he'd also probably just use him to complete his tasks and kill him at the end of it all.

[mortal swift]

Except the game shows is not true, He still nominates lanius to lead despite lanius being incompotent

[supple crest]

Everyone is a tool to caesar. Hell promote, demote, nominate, say things to get them to do what he wants. But hell for sure kill you once youre no longer useful.

[mortal swift]

have you played the legion path and killed ceasar at the autodoc

[supple crest]

Like many emperors, they dont view their second in command or someone whos been helpful in their tasks as a good candidate to lead if shit hits the fan. They dont see things like that. Its either themselves or it all dies with them too

[supple crest]

Yes

[mortal swift]

Ceasars character isnt that he wants power its that he wants to establish a state to develop humanity in the style of the romans because its what he believes will advance humanity slowly to pre war eventually

[icy pagoda]

considering half of the people I've seen talking about it think the legion is a meme faction I am not surprised at all. They have almost exclusively treated them as a joke thus far

[tame owl]

Thing is he also contradicts this

He talks about the hegelian dialectic and such, and admits to only using the trappings of Rome to focus people

[random bramble]

I don’t get the joke here

[tame owl]

meaning he doesn't want Rome, and he's deliberately being shit because he doesn't understand how hegelian dialectic works.

The man's a megalomaniac trying to use whatever he can to justify it

[copper ginkgo]

It's not a joke I made the Image look better

[random bramble]

Why not use a screenshot instead of a picture of a screen

[icy pagoda]

Being bad at hegelian dialectics doesn't mean he isn't genuinely trying something, it means he is flawed and not fully informed like most every other person in the wasteland.

[copper ginkgo]

I have but see how dark it is tho although I'll probably do it for this one too

[supple crest]

His personality and thinking contradicts this alot 💀

He doesnt even know half the time what hes doing other than warfare and conquest. Hes just uses whatever there is to justify his actions and lessons on the legion

[icy pagoda]

the joke is staying on the exact same topic and not moving on for days at a time

[icy pagoda]

This is actively incorrect

[supple crest]

Bc all in all the legion is just self destructive by the end of the day. Even if it grew to being a nation, it would eventually collapse faster than you'd think

[solid grail]

Yeah, I'm not sure the Legion could even be salvaged long-term.

[icy pagoda]

The Legion would indeed die with Caeser, it would be a slow death, but without him it would definitely fail

[humble widget]

the president of the enclave in s3 is gonna be bill clinton

[fluid sigil]

God bless the enclave

[tame owl]

The issue it's gonna face is it's a cult of personality with no drive or ideals.

It's the same issue with all dictatorships.

The only real solution is to tie yourself to a naitonal identity or political vibe

Such as with communism or nationalism... but nationalists very rarely succeed

[copper ginkgo]

Guys I can't decide which one is best

[ripe haven]

You know, I think Quintus Chapter is going on a banished (halo) direction

taking control by force or alliance of others chapters making themselves more powerful in the process

[patent dagger]

Which is why the new legate may help

[patent dagger]

This he claims to want a nation state but is draconian over the slightest failures and erased grahams name out of spite

[pulsar lintel]

He doesn’t want Rome yeah, he wants a NCR empire

I think people get hung up on the Roman stuff when he’s clearly captured ideologically by the NCR. Like the NCR is his ideal of what a good society is he just think it lost its way because of democracy and bureaucracy weakening it.

[patent dagger]

Also lets not forget caesar had a brain tumour and was erattic

[pulsar lintel]

That’s only a recent development but yeah

[patent dagger]

But assuming he died of it could explain the note

[dense wharf]

the show already proves that wrong no?

The Legion fell into infighting over succession, but it ultimately still survived

[patent dagger]

Yes and no

[dense wharf]

Arizona from what we can tell is still under control of the Legion

[pulsar lintel]

I guess, though his tumor is already terminal and bringing him to his deathbed in NV and he still has a named heir.

[icy pagoda]

The legion is in the process of it's slow death

[dense wharf]

I think it'll die at some point, but it won't be because of Caesar directly

[bleak moth]

They bout to get wiped by the ncr

[ripe haven]

probably

house would then clean up whats left of both sides

[mystic plaza]

No, it proves what everyone said in FNV correct. They're collapsing, infighting, having minimal consistency - it's the death by a thousand cuts approach. Plus they're a bit silly in the show, at least in FNV they were more of a threat.

[sacred idol]

House confirmed for S3:

https://nerdist.com/article/will-justin-theroux-mr-house-return-in-fallout-future-seasons/

[patent dagger]

Silly how?

[bleak moth]

You see him flicker in rq at the end

[dense wharf]

they're arguably more of a threat by the time of the show because the NCR is mostly gone from what we can tell.

[pulsar lintel]

You don’t find the conflict between Kevinus’ puppet and Chinese Caesar silly at all?

[dense wharf]

House's securitrons are out of action as well, which leaves Caesar Kevin and the Legion to be the last major power in the region