EPISODE 8

[mystic plaza]

He's probably gonna try to recruit Maximus and Lucy next season to help stop the Enclave.

[fringe vine]

The screen saying No Signal means nothing. It says No Signal like that in the game plenty

[dim stirrup]

Yup

[digital kestrel]

based house kills fascists

[twilit urchin]

Enclave are in truth a shadow organization with advanced technology and key government figures

[random bramble]

I think house was kinda playing dead to spy on Lucy and max

[serene furnace]

Remember house's screen also displays "signal lost" in the game too

[mystic plaza]

Nothing it was just funny, cause immediately thought of the brand recognition line when they did the FNV intro cameo

[charred sapphire]

And the reason they're doing this is because the story was retooled to fit the west coast setting by amazon so they get the maximum audience exposure, its obvious they have zero idea what they are doing with any of the factions.

[fringe vine]

Yeah that’ll be fun. I think House will be around a couple episodes Season 3 before he stays back in New Vegas to rebuild the strip.

[digital kestrel]

oh lmao

[elder fiber]

well episode was okay but glad to see some NCR ig

[fringe vine]

Yeah it says that plenty when he’s still alive

[digital kestrel]

im excited to see the mutants

[twilit urchin]

RIP NCR power armor

[digital kestrel]

Thaddeus toe strat was GOATED

[fluid sigil]

It’s evidently sure that Season 3 will be all of our protagonists going to Colorado anyway

We probably gonna see NCR and legion last time in ep1 and then never again

[grizzled garden]

i doubt max and lucy are leaving that early

[fringe vine]

I’m guessing the screen will turn on as Maximus & Lucy are about to leave. And House will agree to have his Securitrons fight the Legion, maybe Lucy & Max have to go do something to turn the upgraded ones loose. Then they arrive to turn the tide in the war just as The Legion is looking like they’ll win.

[serene furnace]

If I was a freeside denizen I'd be scooping up the deathclaw meat and talons

[charred sapphire]

When you use this as your main argument for anything the writers can't properly explain or get wrong it becomes just another poor excuse

[elder fiber]

and this i assume like the others won't be canon in s3

[twilit urchin]

Man's got one hell of a rifleman build going

[grizzled garden]

oh man i hope it will be

[fluid sigil]

Nah. They will leave immediately

Lucy got beef with dad at Enclave an Max literally got nothing else to do
He can’t go back to BoS and he won’t join NCR so he will just follow Lucy

[dim stirrup]

Then I suggest agreeing to disagree because we have two different POVs of what happened.

[grizzled garden]

go back to the vaults I guess?

[dim stirrup]

I’m at least happy we are getting out of NV

[grizzled garden]

surely norm and lucy have a reunion if s3 is the last season

[twilit urchin]

Colorado time

[mystic plaza]

Same, but watch FNV fans still find a way to bitch about Colorado.

[digital kestrel]

i think i could do it too i got the toe spread capabilities to do that but i think it would burn

[charred sapphire]

I never claimed the NCR battalion ISNT going to show up in the last episode, that was the most obvious payoff imaginable, I'm saying the ghoul telling the rangers NCR are gone from the area and the magic battalion showing up arent mutually exclusive.

[grizzled garden]

and I don't see that being in colorado

[fringe vine]

Maximus & Lucy might help House against the Enclave. House said to Coop they still had business in that regard and Coop says “not with me you don’t” insinuating it might be with Lucy and Max

[dim stirrup]

It’ll happen.

[digital kestrel]

why not?

[fluid sigil]

Did the writers slept with your wife or something. Why are you so negative on same issue all the time

[dim stirrup]

K

[mystic plaza]

LOL

[grizzled garden]

because why would norm go to colorado

[twilit urchin]

Doing the best he can before he becomes Harold-ified

[fluid sigil]

We get it. NCR shouldn’t exist. It was there for Fallout 76 bundle sell in Atomic Shop. Now move on?

[digital kestrel]

oh i didnt see ur message before that ithought you were talking abt the enclave

[grand sluice]

Probably will when he learns Lucy is there, or he accidentally gets picked up by the enclave

[charred sapphire]

becuase that's the issue people seem to be so adamant on defending all the time

[grizzled garden]

nah they're for sure in colorado

[dim stirrup]

Anyways so anyone wana place bets on FNV fans foaming at the mouth on s3?

[digital kestrel]

i've been saying ts since the smallest sneakpeek of snow and im glad i was right

[fluid sigil]

Yeah I saw that Twitter people cheering for “return of NCR” but who cares

My real goated Enclave is back

Cut them 3 times and still running

[honest marten]

I don’t need it… I don’t need it…

[charred sapphire]

That's assuming the writers even manage to find the van buren wiki page to steal from

[mystic plaza]

it's gonna be an atom shop skin, promise you that

[honest marten]

I NEED ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[grizzled garden]

might be a prophet 👁️#1447297591363502304 message

[true gate]

I really hope they are adapting Van Buren for Season 3

[honest marten]

I mean irl but that also seems sick

[digital kestrel]

already is an atom shop skin

before the show

[mystic plaza]

If they're going to Colorado, most likely. Vault 0 is probably where Barb and Janey are at.

[fluid sigil]

“ummm why is Denver full of cute puppies and not Mega death Pitbull Rottweiler mixed eating babies? this is not what Van Buren described at all”

[true gate]

That would officially recanonize Tactics which would be cool. I consider it semi canon since there isn’t really anything that contradicts with tactics, which would officially render it non canon

[charred sapphire]

the enclave are 100% coming back in FO5 with their "liberty prime alpha" they'll steal from quintus

[fluid sigil]

Why would Enclave stealing such low tech from BoS

[charred sapphire]

todd will literally make 3 games out of enclave vs bos liberty prime battles

[true gate]

People really gotta stop hating on the enclave being back. Canonically they literally haven’t been a thing since fallout 3 and really were only a big force in that game and 2.

[fluid sigil]

If Van Buren’s Fallout is canon, Colorado will have Enclave’s space shuttle and they will get access to Enclave Space Station with Orbital Nuclear Missiles launcher

[mystic plaza]

If i had to GUESS. What they're probably going to do is - Turn cheyenne military complex into an actual Enclave base. Then seperate Vault 0 from the Complex, and place it somewhere else in the mountains or something.

[true gate]

Parts of Van Buren has been canonized such as the twin mothers and Vault 29

[serene furnace]

The enclave is the one faction that can keep coming back, there are so many government bunkers in the US

[mystic plaza]

It's funny because if people knew the lore, the Enclave hasn't 'come back' in the sense they're describing. The one in 3 is essentially the descendants from 2. And survivors from Navarro which also came from 2. So it's the same sect.

[grizzled garden]

great khans

[true gate]

Exactly.

[serene furnace]

Plus who knows what happened to the bunker at White springs, for all we know the descendants of the vaulties can be living there rebuilding that offshoot

[fluid sigil]

Todd added Enclave outposts expansion pack in Fallout 4

You can say it’s a fun “non-canon” story

[mystic plaza]

Potential Midwest Brotherhood showing up, with Reavers being mentioned? I'd take it lowkey.

[charred sapphire]

the only game where theyre not a major force is fonv and fo4? though maybe they are in fo4, i forgot its ages since i played that

[true gate]

Like fallout 2 nowadays doesn’t do the enclave justice and they were only given proper showcase treatment in 3, which was like almost 20 years ago. Seeing them given ultra star treatment that isn’t 2009 graphics is what we deserve, just like how we were given the brotherhood in HD glory in 4

[true gate]

They were added as a small faction in the next gen update but they’re scale is similar to New Vegas

[civic crypt]

lol

[charred sapphire]

half of 76 is about the enclave

[true gate]

Yes but only the aftermath. We don’t actually get to see enclave forces.

[mystic plaza]

They're dead though, they're not the star villains. lmfao

At best you're dealing with the Enclave's Aftermath.

[true gate]

Even the brotherhood gets star treatment eventually in the Steel Dawn update

[fluid sigil]

Because 76ers are the first gen Enclave (my headcanon)

[true gate]

Not the enclave though

[mystic plaza]

Reclaimers.

[honest marten]

I’m a little confused y’all

So, at the beginning of episode 8, Lucy killed the mainframe by killing what’s left of congresswoman Welch, but if that’s the case, how was Hank able to control the chip victim that tried to subdue Lucy after and how was he able to fully reset his brain after Lucy put a chip into his neck?

[elder fiber]

i think this is silly

[civic crypt]

it looks cool

[mystic plaza]

Something to do with the miniature versions, i have to suspect.

[charred sapphire]

you can literally become the enclave general, i think thats enough spotlight

[serene furnace]

We are legally generals in the enclave

[mystic plaza]

You don't, MODUS is not Enclave, he's rogue.

[true gate]

I think the head controlled the mainframe of the facility, not the actual chips

[fluid sigil]

“Reclaimers”
“Rebuilding America”
“Highly trained”

You know who else has similar properties?

[icy pagoda]

The enclave has shown up in 2, 3, NV (as remnants but still a thing), 76, and the show now. They are definitely not a lightly used faction. This doesn't even include the tiny additions in 4

[honest marten]

Ah, I see, thank you

[true gate]

But they were only on the big stage in 2 and 3

[mystic plaza]

[charred sapphire]

and how is that functionally different?

[mystic plaza]

Because MODUS is not following Enclave directions, or orders, he abandons them when they try to kill him - and you don't operate as an 'enclave general' all you do is get clearance so that you can access the silos.

[serene furnace]

Modus is not rogue, his protocol was to protect the bunker and ensure the survival of the enclaves ideals. Both factions were straying from it

[frank shell]

This season was goated actually, I’m upset they had to do weekly releases though

[mystic plaza]

No, he's confirmed to be 100% rogue after the Eckhart debacle.

[charred sapphire]

thats every game where you join any faction, you have no agency in them beyond just having the story tell you did a good thing for joining them

[frank shell]

Norm sideplot felt lame asf

[charred sapphire]

you basically beat the storyline and get a congratulation

[grizzled garden]

i think releasing 2 a week is better

[icy pagoda]

They are still on their 4th or 5th appearance in the series. If they are gonna do the enclave I'm glad they are at least putting some real effort into it, I just hope once we do them in the show we get some time without them. It would be nice for Fallout to have some new ideas again when it comes to factions

[serene furnace]

He kinda tries to kill you if you answer the questions wrong in the start of the enclave quest, if you answer wrong he won't override the automated security at sugar grove

[pale ferry]

By chance anyone have a good picture of the enclave base

[unique flint]

LONG LIVE THE NEW CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC!

[true gate]

I actually didn’t mind the weekly releases. It gave me something weekly to watch while I waited for my other shows to come back from winter break. It’s just that 8 episodes is way too short for an overarching narrative. 8 episodes can work for an episodic series like Law and order but not for something like fallout unless they’re doing a “monster/side quest of the week” type of show

[pale ferry]

Spread propoganda else where

[mystic plaza]

There's an angle that shows the connecting train system.

[fluid sigil]

Building this in Fallout 4 settlement

[pale ferry]

Much obliged

[true gate]

Except again, we did have time without them, new Vegas and fallout 4. It’s completely optional to interact with them in both games

[mystic plaza]

in FO4 they were only added as a creation, too.

[icy pagoda]

But they are still there. It would be a good thing to have a fallout game that has absolutely no inclusion of the Enclave or BoS.

[true gate]

But officially added by Bethesda, which canonized them in 4

[fossil flicker]

Ok very controversial, but i would support Hank doing what he did

[fringe vine]

Won’t happen

[mystic plaza]

Was it official? I still thought it was pseudo-canon, my bad

[true gate]

BOS is literally synonymous with the series. And I don’t mind them doing something with them in future games like they did with them in new Vegas. Still there but a minor faction

[charred sapphire]

FO5 is gonna be enclave vs BoS "west coast edition"

[icy pagoda]

I'm sure it won't because they want the brand recognition

[true gate]

Yes they were added as part of the next gen update

[fluid sigil]

Even without creation mentioning

That one high ranking Children of Atom officer said himself that’s he’s ex-enclave before joining the children

[mystic plaza]

Yeah, i remember that.

[fluid sigil]

From Far Harbor dlc

[unique flint]

Is it the best option? No.

Is it better than what Mr. House had in mind? Yes.

[true gate]

I don’t buy that house ever intended to actually use the mind control device, especially since Hank is the one accusing him of it. He realistically only designed it just to bargain with vault TEC to get the cold fusion

[fluid sigil]

Master’s plan but instead of dipping people in FEV we put computer chip in their heads

[mystic plaza]

He didn't, he abandoned the tech/sold it.

[charred sapphire]

Also, its because you start off your story by nuking a faction, then actively ignore all the world building around said faction and think that counts as good world building.

[icy pagoda]

Taking away personal autonomy as a concept is a bad thing. There are 0 assurances it will not be used by bad actors, we know this because it's being used by bad actors already.

[true gate]

Abandoning it would mean he did have the intention. It makes more sense he only developed it to sell it

[mystic plaza]

why would you scroll back just to reply to his message.

[frank shell]

What was Hank talking about before he wiped himself

[fringe vine]

Stephanie

[charred sapphire]

Because I scroll up a lot to read past convos if I wasn't able to read every reply

[frank shell]

So the entire vault is toast now ? 😂

[charred sapphire]

I'm not capable of responding to 2-3 ppl at once.

[mystic plaza]

That's possible, actually I might agree with that. It would make sense.

[fluid sigil]

He poisoned the Project Purity with microchips and everyone in Capital Wasteland is under mind control (fanon)

[fossil flicker]

Yup

[icy pagoda]

we don't know, I imagine vault 32 will get ganked and vault 33 will survive so Norm can become overseer

[fossil flicker]

True tho gotta agree on this one

[frank shell]

32 is Steph’s vault no? 33 was Betsy’s

[icy pagoda]

yes

[fringe vine]

Hank has definitely risen up the Enclave ranks post war because Stephanie being “Hank’s wife” carried enough weight to actually start Phase 2 or whatever

[true gate]

I don’t even wanna theorize the possibility that Lucy is Stephanie’s daughter

[fringe vine]

I don’t think that’s the case

Just step daughter

Really seems like Rose was her mom

[true gate]

What does that make chet

[mystic plaza]

Not even, im confident Rose was Lucy's mom, the timelines don't match in terms of pregnancy and when Steph came out of Cryo.

[icy pagoda]

would make no sense and would also undo a good chunk of the narrative weight of season 1, would be very lame

[mystic plaza]

It just unfortunately means Rose was a side piece. 😭

[fringe vine]

Well Steph was Hank’s wife so wouldn’t Lucy technically be her step daughter then

[grizzled garden]

mmm

[mystic plaza]

Not necessarily. lol Steph is hank's first wife, Rose is Hank's second wife.

[unique flint]

I'm curious to see what goes down in the "Third Battle of Hoover Dam".

[true gate]

No seriously what does that make chet. Was he shagging with his aunt/step aunt?

[fringe vine]

Rose is a fake wife

[dim stirrup]

Ok what did I miss? Are we still arguing

[icy pagoda]

I don't think Steph and Hank had any relationship after being frozen. He clearly is much older now, so he probably got unfrozen, took a new wife, and Steph took a new husband as well. The enclave comes first

[fringe vine]

Might be related on Rose’s side

[mystic plaza]

She was a side piece, bro pulled a Nolan - "Your mom is more of a pet to me."

[sacred idol]

rose 👏 deserved 👏 better

[fringe vine]

Watching Season 1 with the Stephanie twist in mind actually makes me think they had her stuff planned out

[true gate]

Imagine they do a Star Wars and go “Lucy, I am your mother, well step mother”

[mystic plaza]

Their marriage was secret, i bet - plus it seems like both their really allegiance was the Enclave, so i imagine they kept things under-wraps.

[unique flint]

That'd be dumb but given Bethesda, it would happen.

[icy pagoda]

Idk, it's also pretty heavily implied at this point that steph is using literally everyone to her own advantage. She doesn't strike me as loyal to literally anyone or anything

[patent dagger]

I can’t help wonder if chet jr is his kid

[sacred idol]

"Your best friend is secretly your stepmom"

[true gate]

No it’s definitely burts

[unique flint]

It's Burts.

[fringe vine]

I don’t think it’s Hank’s, just by the way she seems not to give a shit about it

[patent dagger]

I love the fact the enclave keeps building eyebots

[fringe vine]

Although when Burt dies to the raiders she does seem to care

[unique flint]

Can never have too many eyebots.

[icy pagoda]

Well technically no matter what this is true unless they got actually divorced. It would mean her next marriage and then attempted marriage would be non certified

[true gate]

I mean really what certifies a marriage post apocalypse

[icy pagoda]

I don't think she actually cares, she is using him hard core

[unique flint]

He's got a point.

[patent dagger]

How does quintus plan to fight maxson when he is stuck in his own base

[true gate]

Steph being Chet’s aunt actually makes him less of a cuck since he’s actually taking care of his baby cousin and not another man’s kid

[icy pagoda]

it's not about what certifies a marriage, it's about what uncertifies a marriage. If she got married and then her husband is just hanging around but they both pretend to not be married, they are still married. This could be different for literally anyone not in the Enclave, but if they wanna hold to american law they are married still even now

[unique flint]

And how does he plan on building Liberty Prime 2.

[true gate]

Correct

[icy pagoda]

off screen

[patent dagger]

Still convinced he may be seeking a weakness in one

[abstract scarab]

He's at area 51 they might have their own Liberty Prime in storage. The US built at least one to fight on the moon.

[patent dagger]

There is a war going on outside his door

[unique flint]

That's true too.

[abstract scarab]

Also technically it's liberty prime 4 but whatever

[patent dagger]

Still has to get past the other chapters who have him pinned

[grand sluice]

I think she liked him enough to not want him murdered

[icy pagoda]

I'm not saying it's going to make any sense, but multiple things in the show are kinda glazed over in a similar way

[sacred idol]

If Quintus is free and alive who else survived the civil war

[true gate]

Plus she probably has…. Needs

[patent dagger]

I feel its more likely he plans to cripple the original

[abstract scarab]

It makes a out as much sense as Liberty Prime exists in the first place.

[grand sluice]

I’m sure they have toys.

[icy pagoda]

I do not agree. I think she faked being upset to get herself a new mans as some level of protection and to have someone watch her kid while she did her own shit. Steph consistently has given 0 fucks about literally anyone and acted like she disliked her husband while he was alive.

[mystic plaza]

No, i genuinely think he's going to use it on the NCR, and Maximus.

[true gate]

I don’t think a Mr handy is the same as the real thing

[mystic plaza]

Quintus clearly states being on the Warpath, and all that anger is gonna be targetted towards Maximus.

[patent dagger]

A new one or the one maxson presumably has

[patent dagger]

Got to get out of the door first

[abstract scarab]

The NCR will develop their own California Prime

[mystic plaza]

He's going to make a new one probably, but he's going to Destroy everything, he pretty much implies it.

[icy pagoda]

"I am Quintus the Destroyer, bow before my new reddit ass username"

[true gate]

I mean shagging your step nephew is borderline Alabama shit

[mystic plaza]

Bro ts was so ass. 😭

[grand sluice]

See we already are seeing shes not so cut and dry, she already has had family taken from her by invaders. If nothing else her baby daddy getting murdered by invaders may be giving her unpleasant memories

[patent dagger]

I would believe it more if they had shown he had won and the fighting had stopped

[mystic plaza]

Sit your old ahh down before i have Maximus lock your ass in a closet so you can schizopost about Heretics again.

[icy pagoda]

They unironically went "we are not getting Elijah, we have Elijah at home"

[patent dagger]

Elijah would be like 85

[grand sluice]

Hey fisto is popular for a reason

[mystic plaza]

Since the Commonwealth wasn't mentioned, or involved, or even shown in the finale I severely doubt they'll be shown or be involved with the narrative anymore.

Everything BOS related is gonna be insulated through Quintus.

[true gate]

Elijah and Quintus only wish they could be a quarter of the guy Elder Lyons was. He knew how to splinter the right way

[icy pagoda]

I disagree, she is actively shown to not give a single fuck about americans, I can;t imagine she even cares about the Enclave. She cares about power and her own personal safety. Unless I'm mistaken, I can't even remember her caring about her kid.

[patent dagger]

Elijah had new ideas

[true gate]

And look where that led him

[icy pagoda]

I'm not saying they should have Elijah in the show, I'm saying we are getting discount Elijah

[patent dagger]

The big mt

[fringe vine]

They need to hurry up and film Season 3, the actor for Quintus is old af

[frank shell]

Then why would she work with the United States then?

[abstract scarab]

It is a Vault...

[icy pagoda]

To multiple dope ass DLCs, he was in it for the content

[true gate]

Dead in an old casino vault

[fringe vine]

Because it meant she survived the war

[true gate]

Fair

[icy pagoda]

Because the united states government / the enclave / vault tec were her only way of surviving a nuclear armageddon that would result in over 99% of the population dying.

[grand sluice]

Its about survival for her, because she had everything taken from her. Her hating Americans is because of the whole well, everything that happened pre war. She does put her survival first. But also her reacting to him getting murdered cost her eye. She likely then decided caring is a weakness that will only harm her and now with drawls from her kid as survival.

[sacred idol]

Their liasion was murdered and there was a whole ass airship battle. You think the Commonwealth is just gonna look away? I doubt it.

[abstract scarab]

Her goal was always to survive, probably inflicting as much damage as possible along the way. She wouldn't know who the Enclave are, she was panicking and did the thing Hank mentioned but never explained.

[patent dagger]

So theory the enclave emptied all useful personal from the vegas vault some time ago

[grand sluice]

You try to make it seem like shes a heartless monster, and shes evil do not get me wrong but evil people irl are not so cut and dry

[icy pagoda]

I don't think she is ever really painted to give a shit about anyone besides herself. She is like, a textbook manipulator at every turn.

[mystic plaza]

Yes, that's assuming 1, that Xander was their only liaison, 2, assuming that they have the capabilities to wage an entire war West(they don't, they definitely don't), and 3, assuming Maxson is stupid enough to abandon his current position in Boston for revenge.

[abstract scarab]

She's not heartless, it isn't like she's killing people. They're only Americans.

[civic crypt]

he's in Area 52 man, he's got the gear

[grand sluice]

She cared about the family that was murdered pre war. Survival mode can make people cruel, and we see with her, it has.

[mystic plaza]

Maxson's lost men before, do we forget in the Commonwealth their men were KIA'd several years before their arrival? They never bothered looking. Lol Maxson has zero information on Cold fusion, he's not coming to the West on a whim.

[civic crypt]

it's not survival mode that made her cruel, it's being canadian

[icy pagoda]

I am aware of how evil characters SHOULD be written, I just think she is exclusively written as awful at every turn. She literally gets married to Hank as a way to save herself, she has no interest in him outside of it being self serving.

[unique flint]

*Area 51

[grand sluice]

I do not think shes poorly written at all, I feel how she is acting is very realistic to an insane circumstance

[civic crypt]

yea my bad

[icy pagoda]

She did care about her family prewar, and then we got a scene literally saying "they aren;t people, they are americans" before she started murdering people. It's very cut and dry that she does not care about anyone after that point.

[civic crypt]

she only cares about Canada

[grand sluice]

Her mother said that, yes, because of what Americans were doing to them

[fringe vine]

The Big 51st

[icy pagoda]

Yes, which is why she doesn;t care about americans or what happens to them. You gotta remember she is in a vault that is directly going to use FEV on it's inhabitants and she knows this. She does not give a fuck about them.

[icy pagoda]

Vaults got no maple syrup, how awful

[civic crypt]

Steph is a survivalist, she exists on pure survival instinct

[unique flint]

I will say this.

"I am Caesar. I am the Legion. It dies with me."

Pretty much accurate.

"I think only Caesar can lead the Legion."

[civic crypt]

i mean they might but it'll only be american maple syrup and that's even worse

[icy pagoda]

TRUE, would be so frustrating

[civic crypt]

The Legion is fun

[icy pagoda]

I was not a fan of the depiction of the Legion. It's fine to poke fun and do jokes, but they had like, little to no time of being taken seriously for being a giant murder force in season 3

[grand sluice]

Also, you have to remember America and Canada as they knew it, is gone. Shes been in a vault with these people for years, shes going to slip up and accidentally care for people

[grand sluice]

Because they are just a murder cult thats a joke without a daddy to lead them

[civic crypt]

I mean I think we get to see them being scary but the entire concept of The Legion is silly. Might as well embrace it

[icy pagoda]

I think she MIGHT care about Lucy, and thats a huge might. I truly think she does not care for anyone in the vault besides herself.

[icy pagoda]

Nah, there is definitely more to them

[grand sluice]

I think she does cause she saw Lucy grow up, and shes still a human

[grand sluice]

Definitely not, they are a murder sex cult pretending to be leaders

[unique flint]

But the main point is only the ORIGINAL Caesar can lead the Legion. Once he's dead, anyone who succeeds him can try but will ultimately fail to lead the Legion.

[civic crypt]

I also think now that they have an actual united leader they'll be stronger

[icy pagoda]

The concept of the Legion is in some capacity silly, but to treat such a large force as just a meme when there is so much more there is just very surface level and boring.

[grand sluice]

I think it will not go as smooth as the “new ceasar” expects

[icy pagoda]

idk about sex cult lol

[civic crypt]

I mean I think that's more so where we see them at this point in history. Now that they have an actual leader, I'm sure things will be a bit more war focused

[grand sluice]

“Women are only meant for breeding” And they raise young girls to be used as brood mothers

[solid grail]

I mean, they got the numbers advantage far as I can tell against that NCR platoon in Freeside, if nothing else.

[civic crypt]

they 100% have the numbers advantage

[grand sluice]

Their numbers will be split

Ya’ll are forgetting they have not been in Colorado for 15 years

[civic crypt]

although The NCR has home court advantage

[civic crypt]

the leigon isn't going to colorado

The Ghoul is the only one going to Colorado right now

[unique flint]

There could be more NCR Troopers off-screen. Emphasis on "could".

[grand sluice]

The Legion has many bases there or did, it is going to 100% be addressed

[civic crypt]

okay but the leigon we've seen isn't going to colorado

[icy pagoda]

The legion works in NV because it's a humerous concept played seriously. The idea of people dressing up as romans is funny, ripping the eyes out of your sex slaves so they don't see your mangled face is NOT funny. The NCR making jokes about how the romans had gay sex is funny, the fact that they lashed everyone to crosses, burned them to death, or did other horrific thing to them in Nelson is NOT funny. You need both to make the Legion an interesting concept. As is currently, the legion is just jokes. They need more time to actually be menacing or to do awful shit.

[frank shell]

But as for how? Why would she contact the enclave

[civic crypt]

see, i don't think so. I feel like if you're doing that big march, you'd bring out everybody

[grand sluice]

There likely is, I doubt they would send their whole team to one place, they may have learned from Shady Sands

[civic crypt]

i mean we did see them doing some awful shit though

[grand sluice]

We do, we also see that in the Fiends and Raiders, and White Glove, and everyone on the strip except the tops and Vault 21

[icy pagoda]

A tiny bit, but not nearly enough. We see them crucify one person and it results in them being dehydrated and kinda roughed up. Past that we see them kill one slave, which coop does right before it. They just are very half baked in the show

[grand sluice]

They cant exactly show some of it on the show. They do mention the SAing and canninalism

[civic crypt]

like I said though, I think that's more so about where we catch them at this point in time. They are split, they are at war with each other. They aren't the same unified unit

[icy pagoda]

Yea but you can;t just toss out "faction bad" and expect that to hold weight. You have to show not tell to make something have narrative impact.

[grizzled garden]

the company we see on screen is nowhere near enough to take on hundreds of legionaries

[civic crypt]

I think we'll get more of the bad shit now that they are unified

[grand sluice]

The cannibalism is a deal breaker enough for most

[civic crypt]

I mean they didn't though, they showed enough to show that the leigon is fucked up

[abstract scarab]

Whatever happens we have got the Maxim gun and they have not.

[icy pagoda]

one of the most beloved characters in the show is shown doing cannibalism multiple times. They have to actually show them doing bad things.

[grand sluice]

They werent called for Legion they were called for a rescue mission on the strip

[grizzled garden]

yeah true but they're gonna have to face the legion

[grand sluice]

The Ghoul? God forbid a guy have a snack

[abstract scarab]

Just a lil ass jerky for the road

[civic crypt]

House will help the NCR

[grand sluice]

So why would they send a full force to the strip

[abstract scarab]

Deathclaws

[civic crypt]

he ain't letting vegas go to the legion

[grand sluice]

leaving bases defenseless

[civic crypt]

i mean the NCR is said to be dwindling so

[abstract scarab]

The bases were already abandoned

[grand sluice]

Not dwindling, scattered

[abstract scarab]

And dwindling, the state was in collapse before the events of NV

[grand sluice]

They probably have new ones, not like that squad was in someones pocket

[heavy spruce]

I hope we get more Bobby Apartment in season 3

[icy pagoda]

They also 10x as often played them as a joke. Like the concept of them fighting over the corpse was very silly. They could have done everything exactly the same and had them fighting over the note that listed the successor and it would have been less of a goofy concept. The show doesn't engage with the Legion as a serious group and it suffers for it. As of currently they are just goofy people who are capable of pointing weapons at people.

[grand sluice]

They were too spread out too soon, not the same as dwindling

[balmy pagoda]

We are Chinese Caesar

[grand sluice]

The Legion is silly the guys are Roman Larpers who have gay sex with each other while criminalizing it

[abstract scarab]

The Brotherhood obliterated their central currency backing and Kimball surrendered control of the state to the corporations just like the old govt did to the US

[grizzled garden]

i think based on the credits animation (I know they're not canon but i don't think they would show an NCR victory if it wasn't), the NCR comes out on top and retakes control of the strip

[civic crypt]

I don't think the NCR hbas any more backup coming to Vegas

[abstract scarab]

Read the shit off the menu like we was doin at the Fort

[civic crypt]

House is whats gonna save them

[random bramble]

Guys we all know the enclave super secret shadow government is only this single oil rig and town

No way they have any more personnel it’s impossible

[icy pagoda]

Those silly moments when you rip the eyes out of your sex slaves or murder a childs family in front of them just to throw them into a pile of burning tires

[abstract scarab]

Wdym we killed the Master all the super mutants are gone forever

[sacred idol]

The number of troops we saw were relatively small. Probably like 20-30 of them.

[civic crypt]

yea and I think that's all they got for Vegas

[grand sluice]

Congratulations they do shit a regular piece of shit does in the wasteland so cool

[abstract scarab]

We saw an entire battalion marching, it's more like 500 dudes but the game engine can't load them all at the same time

[random bramble]

If the NCR in the show was following any reasonable tactics they would have already set up some of their forces outside the walls and surrounding the city

[abstract scarab]

That's just normal Raider shit tbh. You can do evil raider shit while being a silly man in a skirt.

[grand sluice]

Fiends do these things too, quick lets act like theyre a cool faction!

[grizzled garden]

i think there's too much NCR V legion symbolism in this season to not give the NCR fighting numbers in the strip fight

[grand sluice]

I’m seeing them working with Freeside on this

[civic crypt]

I think they've got a decent chance for a while with the numbers, they have the home court advantage over the Legion

[balmy pagoda]

I can’t wait for more Mutant Ron next season. Maybe they’ll do a retcon where it’s revealed he narrated all the games and knows everything

[grand sluice]

Freeside never liked NCR but they like NCR way more than deathclaws and Legion

[grizzled garden]

the freesiders are bums

[serene furnace]

A few grenades would wreck a good chunk of the legion's formation

[civic crypt]

same with a sniper or two

[sterile eagle]

I know it's a limitation of the show/paying extras but it's funny seeing the NCR and the Legion each comprised of like maybe 30 dudes

[balmy pagoda]

BARS

[grand sluice]

They also dont like being eaten or enslaved

[random bramble]

The legion has hundreds on screen

[abstract scarab]

It's just like the vidya games

[serene furnace]

I wouldve volunteered to be an NCR or legion extra

[mystic plaza]

I think the Freeside people will help fight the Legion, plus Maximus and Lucy, potentially Mr House pulling Securitrons out his ass, too.

[balmy pagoda]

I’m pretty scrawny so I’d probably make a good raider if I were an extra. Like a fiend maybe

[icy pagoda]

Fallout factions can have goofy concepts and then be played seriously. The Kings are a great example. Is everyone dressing and talking like elvis goofy? Yes. Is attempting to further impoverish freeside by taking over the free water that once belonged to its citizens to line your own pockets silly? No. Is all of the quests being named after elvis songs funny? Yes. Is the fact that the Kings are known to engage in gang violence and fuck people up to throw their weight around to control freeside funny? No.

[abstract scarab]

Freeside isn't helping jack shit

[sterile eagle]

I don't think it's technically legal to volunteer as an extra anymore

Due to Hollywood guild rules and what not

[grand sluice]

The threat of being eaten tends to be a good motivator

[abstract scarab]

They literally watched one man take on a horde of Deathclaws knowing full well that they would all be massacred when he loses and they literally just fucking say "nah"

[grizzled garden]

I think the reason for the lack of NCR troops in the finale is just budget/casting constraints, and that they're gonna hire way more extras for episode 1

[fleet glade]

Why the enclave remnants didn’t just fly to the base in colorado, are they lazy?

[grand sluice]

Because they figured it was pointless but then we see the start of a change when Maximus is not only winning but revealed to be uoung and likely inexperienced

[sterile eagle]

I don't know, I think they're still intelligent enough to know the Legion taking over is really bad.

[balmy pagoda]

I actually had a substitute teacher in high school who was an extra in a few movies, like Free Guy. There’s a lot of union red tape, but you get residuals

[ivory fjord]

Troops were chilling with Fisto at this time

[abstract scarab]

But they quite literally do that and immediately say "I'm not doing that "

[grand sluice]

Protecting what truly matteres

[sterile eagle]

Huge difference between fighting some dudes in football gear painted red and a 20 foot tall death lizard

[grand sluice]

Changes take more than three seconds

[civic crypt]

yea, they just wanna gamble

[grand sluice]

Legion wants to take away their gambling and drugs

[abstract scarab]

If the Legion takes over they're slaves and their lives suck.

If the Deathclaws win the fight they're all fucking dead no matter what.

[balmy pagoda]

Legion agenda is making everyone gay

[sterile eagle]

I'm saying their reasoning with the Deathclaw was probably something like "It's an animal, it will leave eventually."

The Legion is both less powerful in combat and a far worse outcome if it takes over compared to the NCR.

Even as a gambling addict in Freeside I'm helping the NCR, it's just self-interest

[abstract scarab]

One guy says "we should help him" and everyone else says absolutely not and goes back to gambling.

[grand sluice]

But with the Legion their drugs are on the line

[balmy pagoda]

Ave, true to Kevin

[sterile eagle]

Even people that don't like the NCR know they're far better than the Legion

[abstract scarab]

Freeside didn't help shit the first two times the NCR and Legion fought, they're not going to get involved in the third conflict

[sterile eagle]

Because the fighting wasn't literally in Freeside

[icy pagoda]

This is why the NCR keeps getting fucked up by the legion

[grand sluice]

We also only saw ONE group

[abstract scarab]

The barkeeper straight up says they did absolutely nothing when the Legion took over Vegas

[random saddle]

I think after losing the battle of the hoover dam again, feeling the headaches get worse, and seeing the pack of losers and rapists he's left surrounded with, Caesar's final message makes sense

[grand sluice]

Who lost the Damn tho 👀

[sterile eagle]

Was he not killed by the Courier? Is it confirmed he died to his brain cancer?

[icy pagoda]

The NCR winning a battle with the legion does not mean they are infinitely better, especially because we see multiple settlements and at least 1 ranger station get actively taken by the legion in NV

[abstract scarab]

The show has a habit of showing how the vast majority of wastelanders are brianless NPCs

[balmy pagoda]

I think it’s ambiguous that any of them could happen if your courier did it. It could be from brain cancer, botched surgery, or you assassinating him

[grand sluice]

Because of hacked radio frequencies run by a ranger trying to sabotage everything and the fact they were out numbered

[sterile eagle]

To clarify I meant "better" as in better to live under, not necessarily better in a straight up fight

[surreal river]

And watching lanius get packed up by my huge anti materiel rifle must have been demoralizing

[balmy pagoda]

The real answer is that a dragon break happened at the second battle of Hoover Dam

[grand sluice]

Anything is better than Legion

[fleet glade]

Including the enclave?

[sterile eagle]

Well they're probably slightly better than the enclave

[abstract scarab]

The courier never existed, he's just the schizo ramblings of a madman in the divide.

[random saddle]

Doesn't really matter

[sterile eagle]

At least under the Legion you'd maybe be alive.

The Enclave is just going to kill you

[grand sluice]

Its too close to call honestly

[grand sluice]

Think most women would rather die than be a legion slave tbh

[sterile eagle]

Yeah that's fair

[balmy pagoda]

Who’s ready for the enclave to get their ass beat a third time

[abstract scarab]

I'd rather become a super mutant tbh

[surreal river]

Fifth time*

[balmy pagoda]

76 don’t count

[grand sluice]

I’d take super mutant over breeding slave too

[balmy pagoda]

Creation club stuff definitely doesn’t count either

[sterile eagle]

Being a super mutant doesn't seem that bad as long as you luck out and retain most of your intelligence.

Like would anyone really be opposed to being Marcus or Fawkes?

[surreal river]

Oil rig, navarro, raven rock, Adam's air base, they should just retire at this point

[icy pagoda]

The legion isn't trying to meet the NCR on their own terms. They don't have to be better at traditional warfare if they are better at subterfuge and attacking at opportune moments. The legion works because they can take a bunch of spears and guys to a location and act intelligently enough in such a way that they can win against a group wielding guns and armor that outpace their own. It's also why the legion not working without Caeser is such an integral part of the faction, the legion only works because they have someone incredibly intelligent and ruthless leading them. Without that, they will eventually fail as they DO attempt to either poorly now engage in those things or fight people head on.

[abstract scarab]

Yeah like honestly it's just the vault 87 muties that are really terrible. Everyone else is largely fine, or could be with some cultural guidance

[balmy pagoda]

Meet potential faction

Has the potential to control all of the wasteland

Beaten by a tribal and a vault teenager

[digital kestrel]

institute mutants suck 90% of the time

[sterile eagle]

I had the same opinion about being a ghoul until it was established that you have to hit a vape every so often or you become feral

[grand sluice]

They work because of two things, their daddy cult leader, and numbers, thats it

[abstract scarab]

Remember that the Enclave is trying to build a deep space colony ship to escape the planet

[grand sluice]

They only attack those who can not win, thats why they stick to ambushes and attacking smaller settlements

[icy pagoda]

the daddy cult leader is the thing I just described

[sterile eagle]

I thought this was pseudo-retconned into their plans changing into outright genocide, maybe I'm mistaken

[mystic cairn]

I thought the Enclave would show up to vault 33 and annihilate them like they did in fo2. Which would be what Steph contacted them for.

[surreal river]

Maybe they'll succeed this time that there's no playable character intervention

[digital kestrel]

they dont actually do that in fo2 its just hype moments and aura

[opaque lichen]

season 3 😮‍💨

[abstract scarab]

Both are true, they need to exterminate the world to have unrivaled access to the resources to build their rocket.

[surreal river]

Then wipe out quintus bos chapter and steal liberty prime

[digital kestrel]

why would quintus have prime

[elder fiber]

liberty prime 2 makes no sense
how will they power it

[abstract scarab]

Watch the after credits scene

[balmy pagoda]

He’s like Elijah I think. He’s fucking lost his mind

[elder fiber]

and remake it from scratch? in the middle of a war?

[grand sluice]

which is what makes them weak at the same time, same thing that makes all cults weak

[digital kestrel]

oh my fucking todd

[random bramble]

The same way they did the first one

This isn’t the first time the brotherhood built him from basically scratch

[mystic plaza]

Same way Hugo makes his own Liberty Primes.

[sterile eagle]

It was very funny watching all the BoS fanboys cry about how batshit insane they're depicted as being in the show even though that's how the BoS has kinda always been outside of FO3

[random bramble]

Also they probably could use Robcos facilities near Vegas

[random saddle]

All the fusion cores they filled up for the few weeks they had the cold fusion

[elder fiber]

but liberty in fo3 was atleast already, built

[abstract scarab]

The US did manufacture some number of Primes before the war, at least one was deployed to the Moon to fight the space commies. Area 51 would have the components necessary to build one, they'd just need a power source to get it online.

[balmy pagoda]

Liberty Prime please save me

[random bramble]

Then it exploded

[digital kestrel]

Quintus the destroyer 😭

[elder fiber]

on moon, what is the source of that

[mystic plaza]

reddit tier ahh name

[calm depot]

he's such a cornball

[fringe vine]

Quintus needs to chill

[balmy pagoda]

Quintus is about to wipe the slate clean… begin again perhaps

[digital kestrel]

ayo quintus chill tf out cuh

[random saddle]

Everyone wants to see Liberty Prime do its thing; stomp around, shoot lasers, deal out anti-communist slogans, then crash and burn. Let them do it on TV. Non-gamers are watching

[elder fiber]

Prime was never used prewar, because they could not figure out the power issues

[mystic plaza]

Yes, but post-war it's been solved. Hugo figures this out, as does the Brotherhood. So i mean.

[balmy pagoda]

They probably would’ve been best buds back in Lost Hills

[fleet glade]

Maybe the bos will raid lucky 38 to steal back the cold fusion

[sterile eagle]

How do you think the show will handle a hard crash to desktop with too many NPCs on screen?

[mystic cairn]

They don’t know it’s there

[digital kestrel]

maximus vanishes

[surreal river]

Imagine they're related

[mystic plaza]

Quintus, Elijah's younger brother.

[elder fiber]

not played 76, what does Hugo do

[icy pagoda]

Quintus in great value brand Elijah

[mystic cairn]

Are the Enclave based in Colorado then ?

[mystic plaza]

He steals, or rather 'procures' liberty prime plans/schematics. Solves the power issues. Merges Liberty prime with RoboBrains - essentially creates a whole new line of war machines.

[digital kestrel]

yuh

[random saddle]

The Enclave is everywhere they're literally America

[mystic plaza]

They're based everywhere.

[analog frost]

is barbara part of enclave?

[sterile eagle]

Indirectly

[digital kestrel]

seems like it now

[harsh bolt]

[grand sluice]

Yes and no

[random saddle]

The enclave bit my bottom

[sterile eagle]

Barbara is a pawn for the Enclave in the same way that Vault-Tec itself seems to be

[icy pagoda]

The enclave is everywhere but also for some reason never reaches out to other enclave locations for help because they didn't think that far ahead when using them in 2 and 3.

[analog frost]

even house is a pawn

[opaque lichen]

game was rigged from the start

[errant trout]

Season 3 norm soloes liberty prime

[mystic plaza]

Communication issues, or self-sabotage. In 76's case. Eckhart wanted to be President.

[sweet nymph]

They really blue balled me with a NCR and legion fight

[flint pond]

I thought they would show them fight 🥲

[sterile eagle]

I did chuckle when Coop straight up ditched the Mr. House Pip-Boy and he was left seething on the floor

COOPER DON'T LEAVE ME HERE! COOPEr!

[random saddle]

The fight is not important though. It'd be fun to see but plot-wise we're already shifting out to Colorado

[analog frost]

can't wait for the synths

[flint pond]

Can't wait to see Colorado and what's been going on there

[atomic snow]

Vault 0

[balmy pagoda]

Stephanie… woooo Steph

[sterile eagle]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Legate Lanius conquered Colorado, no?

[mystic cairn]

I guess it’ll be interesting to see Colorado. Given it’s snowy and all

[balmy pagoda]

I’m so sad Hank got lobotomized he was unintentionally funny as hell

[sweet nymph]

Parts of it yeah

[atomic snow]

The Legion can conquer all they want but they can't hold shit - too busy larping

[random saddle]

Todd Howard visits the season 3 writers room tries to pitch old lady Janey heading the enclave and made a little girl synth version of herself to psych out her father with

[sweet nymph]

They held Arizona for a while with Cesar 1.0

[icy pagoda]

I mean sure they can come up with reasons after the fact, but we all know in 2 and 3 the respective studios were not sitting there going "they actually have 47 bases spread throughout the country, most of which still have people in them actively working"

It's not a huge deal that they are now making them so expansive, in fact if they are going to keep using them I think it's probably for the better, but it clearly was not thought out to this degree during the creation of 2 and 3 (or NV for that matter, none of the remnants think to go to one of the other many enclave locations)

[atomic snow]

Who the fuck wants Arizona

[abstract scarab]

Pre war Liberty Prime could still move and navigate terrain but it couldn't utilize the weapon systems. That's why it throws mini nukes instead of using integrated weapons like the Storm Goliaths

[sterile eagle]

Hey Arizona has cool stuff. Like cacti.

[analog frost]

legion led by home alone boy

[sweet nymph]

I live here, I want it

[flint pond]

Different bos power armor there to right?

[atomic snow]

I mean to be fair it's one of the only places that wouldn't look much different post apocalypse

[flint pond]

Also it be cool to see liberty prime kill another super mutant behemoth

[balmy pagoda]

Legion territory lets gooo

I pray to god next season they have random legionaries spam “true to Caesar” and “degenerates like you belong on a cross” in the voice of Yuri Lowenthal

[analog frost]

we still have more questions than answers

[atomic snow]

I feel like that is gonna happen

[lament copper]

What will house do with all that power now?

[sterile eagle]

Have we ever seen a Behemoth in the west? I always thought they were an east coast thing.

Seems like the Master would have accounted for that possibility but then again he didn't know they were sterile so who knows

[balmy pagoda]

Hell it might be cool if they bring in Yuri Lowenthal and Liam O’Brien, since they’re basically the voices of the legion and NCR respectively lol

[marsh loom]

Closest thing is Frank Horrigan

[sweet nymph]

Didn't the Midwest push into Colorado in tactics?

[icy pagoda]

please lord gimme this

[analog frost]

make AI videos

[atomic snow]

That's too hamfisted, idk "spamming lines"? Why not just write it in, the same way they did with the "wish for a nuclear winter" line?

[sweet nymph]

He is gen alpha

[sterile eagle]

He's going to buy Twitter and rename it to X

[random bramble]

House is either gonna get his securitrons back or team up with somebody

[atomic snow]

Poop and pee

[random saddle]

Still holding out hope someone finds his body and is carrying a Nine Iron

[analog frost]

is he gonna get lucy to work for him

[random bramble]

I can see him forming a NCR alliance temporarily

[sweet nymph]

So, is og house dead, y'know "I've been shot at, bludgeoned with a crowbar" and stuff

[random saddle]

Everyone works for the House eventually

[rain breach]

No

[sterile eagle]

Yes

[elder fiber]

lmao the patch

[random bramble]

Yes house seems to be dead

[atomic snow]

I showed you my encampment please respond

[harsh bolt]

yes

[sterile eagle]

Mr. House in the show is essentially an AI copy of his consciousness, House's physical body is dead

[fleet glade]

Killed by Gordon freeman

[sweet nymph]

I fw the NCR patch

[random saddle]

Literally no one said it was an AI copy

[atomic snow]

Not explicitly it's not

[random bramble]

It’s very heavily implied

[sweet nymph]

Honestly, kinda a glow up for the normal troopers

[sterile eagle]

There's a scene in one of the credit sequences that shows his pod broken into and his body dead

[random saddle]

Where?

[flint pond]

They did a good callback to NV in sure they do one with fallout 4

[elder fiber]

minus the helmet and armor i like it.

[random bramble]

The whole “feels good to be alive again”

[atomic snow]

House specifically said his physical body became a target for SEVERAL "fatal" things.

[sweet nymph]

Honestly I fw it

[sterile eagle]

I forget which episode but his pod is explicitly shown as compromised

[random saddle]

That's not proof of anything other than being turned off for a long while

[random bramble]

He would say awake then

[sweet nymph]

But wtf happened to first recon, apart from the rangers I thought they would be the ones who would survive the longest

[random bramble]

Nobody said they are dead

[sweet nymph]

Yeah I know that. I'm just wondering where they are

[marsh loom]

He's built different

[last steppe]

They could be anywhere

[random saddle]

People aren't always exact and precise with language

[elder fiber]

i don't really like the metal helmet

[random bramble]

House the major autism man?

[sweet nymph]

It's the same helmet without a cover

[random saddle]

Even him

[random bramble]

What evidence shows he’s still alive?

[mystic plaza]

Midwest BOS and Reavers will probably be in FO5.

[sterile eagle]

Yeah House isn't the type to be loose with how he phrases things.

Again there's a scene in one of the credit sequences where his pod is broken and he's lying there in a death pose

[last steppe]

I wonder if the Enclave come to the Vaults we see Betty try to defend

[random saddle]

The fact that he's on the TV and interacting with Cooper

[elder fiber]

yeah true

[sweet nymph]

Please todd

[mystic plaza]

Post-credit scenes aren't canon tho lol

[random bramble]

He literally said he’s making an ai copy

[last steppe]

While Steph gloats and later we see her turned into a super mutant

[random bramble]

That needs cold fusion to work, as soon as they give him cold fusion loading screen then ai house

[random saddle]

So what? And where ?

[last steppe]

I think it will be very much a leopards eating face situation for her

[sweet nymph]

I hope we get T-51 next season

[random bramble]

Did you watch the show? When cooper talks to him pre war, it’s the whole reason he wanted it

[sweet nymph]

And APA/X-01

[balmy pagoda]

I assumed after vault tec acquired cold fusion they used it for their GECKs? Light retcon then

[last steppe]

I don't think Hank McClanes wife affords you much protection in the Enclave

[random saddle]

He talked about living forever, not making a copy and then shuffling off

[last steppe]

G.E.C.K.s are weird they're everything from magic to seeds

[random bramble]

Brother he literally says he wants to upload his consciousness to a digitized form

[sweet nymph]

Could be like an avatar thing

[balmy pagoda]

Add GECK, instant pure water

[random saddle]

I think you're putting way too much stock into this idea when they've done nothing to imply it and even if it was true, what's the point? It doesn't go anywhere. It doesn't matter to the plot if he's AI or not. Why bother with this pointless plot point?

[elder fiber]

he is wearing the armor wrong

[sterile eagle]

He also does not discount the concept of him being a robot, only specifically not being a robobrain because the process destroys the host personality

There are lots of things like this that very strongly imply it

[analog frost]

so what's phase 2?

[orchid shore]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-gif-13246854

[sterile eagle]

We don't know

[random saddle]

Phase 2 is becoming green mutant

[last steppe]

I guess it's either remote spraying of FEV on people in the vaults

[sweet nymph]

We don't know, my guess is an active phase and Push out into the wasteland

[random bramble]

They have done much to imply it, he outlines his plan to be ai, he says he needs cold fusion to use it. He say he died and now is alive again as soon as he gets cold fusion. The after credits scene has his corpse in it

[last steppe]

Or something where the Enclave come and get you

[random saddle]

So what? How does this figure into the story? What difference does it make if he's AI or not?

[last steppe]

House ties in with Coops speech on the ship of Theseus, is Robert House still Robert House when digitized, or is he something less/more

[sweet nymph]

Honestly I hope they don't go full mustache twirling Enclave, I hope they go with how they were in 2 and new Vegas, yeah like the people at the top sure I don't care but like the normal troops I think should have a little bit more depth

[random bramble]

Not much but he’s ai now, it’s part of his character, why does Lucy have still wear the vault suit?

[last steppe]

I would argue House isn't AI as it's not artificial intelligence, if anything he's transcended human form into a digitized consciousness

[random saddle]

"Here's Mr house, final confrontation with Coop, now Coop is leaving for Colorado bye coop by the way I'm an android AI now"

[sterile eagle]

Because it may lend credence to the events of one of the FNV endings being canon if it involves House's physical body being killed

[sweet nymph]

Tomato potato

[random saddle]

We're done with new vegas. We're moving on to Colorado. This is basic storytelling stuff

[random bramble]

Every ending but houses ending he has to be killed

[random saddle]

Every ending but House's also involves the Strip being cleared out of anything House related

[sweet nymph]

I still think the NCR won in new Vegas

[random saddle]

NCR win has them annexing vegas

[abstract scarab]

I think no one won

It's just a series of clashes and withdrawals, back and forth forever

[random saddle]

I think House victory is the only one that works. Then after that it doesn't matter if House twiddles his thumbs or gets invaded by Enclave death claws and dies

[sterile eagle]

I understand that, my point is that it establishes House did not win

[random saddle]

The story isn't about House

[sterile eagle]

Which is a more satisfying explanation than "After the unknown outcome of FNV House just randomly died to some dude"

[random saddle]

It's about Cooper Howard, Maximus, and Lucy

[abstract scarab]

House doesn't win either, otherwise we would see an army of Mk II all over the Mojave. They never got activated, only the upgrades at the Strip.

[sterile eagle]

Sure but it's still fun to speculate about how things panned out after the game

[random saddle]

There's a difference between speculating for fun and outright declaring "He is an AI and these incredibly minor clues from the show are proof"

[mystic plaza]

No body won, the approach to the narrative was 'fog of war' everyone thinks they won.

[sterile eagle]

I think it's more a case of the show strongly implying it but never outright saying it because it wants the audience to put the pieces together.

Like you said, it doesn't really matter if he's an AI or not if he's effectively the same character, but it's still fun to use context clues and hints to draw that conclusion with a high degree of probability

[random saddle]

We got House, we had our fun with him but now the story is moving on. He's in the past. By his own words the "game" is bigger than him, he's just a pawn

[last steppe]

He's definitely in season 3

[sweet nymph]

Courier 6 sleeping at BigMT during season 2

[last steppe]

Even if for 1 episode

[queen swift]

We better not move on from House

[abstract scarab]

Unless New Vegas 2 is announced I don't think we're going to see any more of the Mojave in future seasons

[formal hedge]

Maaan... That fucking sucks....

[sweet nymph]

We are, like half the cast is still in Vegas

[last steppe]

I mean we will at least see one episode of freeside

[random saddle]

"The audience" has no reason to care if he's AI or not other than the small percentage of game players who inexplicably work themselves up into a fit over this and there's close to 0 chance that the people who wrote "vault tec may have dropped the bombs first and shady sands gets nuked" are concerned with making sure a small percent of the fan base doesn't get mad at them

[abstract scarab]

Max and Lucy will likely return to LA to rebuild the NCR and deal with the presumable super mutant outbreak from the triple vaults, Cooper is heading to the enclave base in Colorado.

[formal hedge]

I feel so bad for Cooper

[last steppe]

Like everyone bar coop is in Vegas

[sacred idol]

I just realized Thaddeus technically won the Freesiders' bet

[abstract scarab]

He does make money for a living

[formal hedge]

Richest man in the strip

[last steppe]

Thaddeus new king of freeside

[random saddle]

I think he's going to be around for another episode or two but it's pretty obvious the story's moved on from him now and we are focused on the Enclave

[last steppe]

Omg would love Thaddeus to become Freeside Gizmo

[sweet nymph]

The new... king?
Whoa mama

[abstract scarab]

Max is the hero of Vegas and he has to leave.

[last steppe]

Max finally did his Father proud

Was more courageous than any bos knight

[calm depot]

do we know how many deathclaws maximus actully kills

[marsh loom]

I hope Lucy somehow keeps that Powerfist

[calm depot]

swear it was like 10

[last steppe]

5 or 6

[abstract scarab]

Like 7+? Dude was on a kill streak for sure

[formal hedge]

Lucy and Maximus perfect couple, both of them started a war

[abstract scarab]

He axed two in the strip, blasted two with the shoulder rockets, goomba stomped another, and then I think he either got one more kill or wounded one and the Ranger finished it off.

[calm depot]

still alot of them but godamn it felt like it was wayy more

[last steppe]

Truth is Deathclaws, game was rigged from the start

[formal hedge]

How much XP is that

[marsh loom]

I really hope that Power Armor gets repaired its way too cool

[twin maple]

The Caesar’s Palace joke got a sensible chuckle out of me

[round crow]

Same lmao

[marsh loom]

Suprised the game didnt make that joke

[abstract scarab]

He might have axed the one Thad sniped and the ranger kill stole the last one, so 8?

[round crow]

Ima re watch the season fully in one go Sunday i think,

[abstract scarab]

Depends on if Idiot Savant procs

[random saddle]

I think it did, in some throwaway line but then that mightve been a mod

[formal hedge]

Maximus ain't got idiot savant

[last steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/bender-hookers-blackjacks-futurama-gif-18364125

[flint pond]

Amazon ad fee is the worst thing ever

[queen swift]

True…

[flint pond]

Lucy and Max should still together from now on there so perfect

[marsh loom]

how did Lucy start a war

[random saddle]

Sim settlements 2 mod has got its own television man

[formal hedge]

You think season 3 they'll get married

[queen swift]

Yes

[formal hedge]

Legion? Did you see the ending?

[abstract scarab]

Hank was going to chip the Legion to stop them from attacking Vegas again

[random saddle]

Technically it was the Ghoul who did it? He set up the dynamite

Though at some point you figure one Caesar or the other would make a breakthrough and win

[marsh loom]

She didn't start the war tho

[twin maple]

Max and Lucy finding each again was so sweet

[marsh loom]

She just potentially couldve stopped it (which admittedly is a bit of a reach)

[abstract scarab]

Yeah eventually Legate Kevin would have taken over. Chinese Caesar didn't seem to have a competent right hand man.

[random saddle]

The way old Caesar Sallow's corpse was still a little gooey and hairy means he couldn't have been dead longer than 1 or 2 years

[twin maple]

I felt so proud of Maximus this season

[random saddle]

In the Mojave sun if he'd been gone too long he'd be all dusty and dry

[abstract scarab]

Yeah Caesar didn't even get the og fallout death animation

[queen swift]

Yeah she just says that because she’s guilting herself

[random saddle]

Actually looking at the pics he doesn't look too gooey. But still, he was probably not dead for too long

[opaque lichen]

any theories on what enclave’s phase 2 could mean?

[random saddle]

FEV spray

[calm depot]

100% gonna involve fev

[abstract scarab]

The terminal in the scene shows a list of "cells activated/cell relocating" which implies the sleeper cells all across the country are being signaled to return to central HQ, wherever it is now

[last steppe]

My theory is you have these "Managers" who they think could turn into Intelligent Super Mutants, leading a class of "Dumb" workers

[twin maple]

Claudia girl you better LIVE

[random saddle]

Masters, you say?

[abstract scarab]

Ron Perlman implies the Enclave created super mutants for the purpose of controlling them, the triple vaults were likely going to be converted to make disposable super soldiers that weren't insane like other mutants.

[queen swift]

Claudia girl you better DIE

[orchid shore]

https://tenor.com/view/fall-out-liberty-prime-communism-explosion-gif-12000227

[twin maple]

Nooooo I like her

[queen swift]

The funniest thing is that I mentioned House way more here

[random saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-fallout-4-nukes-nuke-mininuke-gif-4537600757119726933

[scenic steeple]

Wait a minute.. Now that the Enclave is back and they nuked shady sands time to change my pfp

[orchid shore]

Enclave finding out BoS had another liberty prime

[twin maple]

Of course the cryochambers were empty

[orchid shore]

Post credit scene

[scenic steeple]

BoS remembering they have a civil war

[queen swift]

The Ghoul can’t have shit

[random saddle]

It'd be funny if every BoS branch has its own Liberty Prime

They just can't use them unless they collect 1000 fusion cores or whatever

[calm depot]

imagine the show does a fallout 4 and janey is actually like 70 and leads the enclave

[icy pagoda]

Your princess is in another castle

[random saddle]

Lmao that's what I suggested before

[mystic plaza]

She's the first female enclave President.

[calm depot]

i love recycling stories

[jolly totem]

I loved Macauley Caulkin in Rome Alone

[twin maple]

I was so surprised with how things went between Coop and Barb in the past

I fully expected her to betray him and what they did instead was way more interesting to me

I like that Barb is very much a shady person, but not completely evil and really did love Coop and Janey

[floral mist]

Rome'n Alone > The Lone Wander / Sole Survivor

[polar phoenix]

not gonna lie the ghoul scenes were great this season I loved the scene where house calls him, and he tells Betty to let him take all the blame

[twin maple]

At least he has a lead with Colorado!

[mystic plaza]

yeah, their seperation being more of a facade than the reality, I wondered if that was what happened when Coop discovered she was threatened.

Coop clearly did love her considering he took the fall, after House's warning.

[queen swift]

House be calling ALL the phones

[random saddle]

House is the Lawnmower Man

[flint pond]

Best way to expand from Cali itself

[random saddle]

Obscure ass reference

[queen swift]

Good thing he doesn’t pay taxes or the phone bill would be really high

[twin maple]

I think it was always clear that he genuinely loved her, even when he was horrified to find out what she’s been doing

And she very obviously wanted to keep her family safe, but I was expecting her to be betray or be willing to sacrifice Coop in order to make sure that she and Janey had a place in the vault

I’m glad I was wrong about that, even though this was still heartbreaking in its own way

[mystic plaza]

Very curious to see how Barb and Janey will react when he does find them.

[abstract scarab]

What are you looking at smoothskin?

[opaque lichen]

”Mom there’s a monster in the closet”

[floral mist]

I definitely think their eventual reunion will be quite sad. Honestly I think Barb will be either dead or it'll be a short reunion but she'll be aight with him.
I think Janey won't be okay with Ghoul Coop

[twin maple]

I know Lucy just lost her dad and is blaming herself for a war that is not her fault, but I’m just so happy she and Maximus are together again, they’re so cute lol

[pale ferry]

so something was just found from a season 1 promo hinting at season 3

they talk about colorado

[pale ferry]

https://youtu.be/o1YhcviJ7IU?si=MVPAhoRkdGlc9x7G

[floral mist]

storywise it would likely be dumb, but if Janey is older and joined the BoS and is properly AGAINST Ghouls that would be a bummer of a reunion for Coop

[queen swift]

I need to draw House after I get my laptop ughhhhhh

Especially House x 01000011 01101111 01101111 01110000 01100101 01110010 ||(Cooper)||

[abstract scarab]

Yeah there's a lot of little hints in the video

[pale ferry]

go to this time that it shows on the screen

[odd saddle]

I know this is thaddeuses feet I’m not looking

[calm depot]

didn't even know this was a thing mad cool tf

fake fan sorry guys 💔

[twin maple]

I think they they’ll probably go for bittersweet vs pure sadness

As much as Fallout is a cynical series, it’s also surprisingly optimistic and I like that combination

[pale ferry]

in short they mention ||the president in a bunker in Colorado||

[queen swift]

My guy you’re in the fallout server don’t act like you’re better

[abstract scarab]

Don't worry only a true fan ignores all lore and operates purely on head canon and speculation

[floral mist]

My friend who watched FO but isn't really into FO outside of the show saw E8 and said he thought Coop was going to kill himself when he found Janey's and Barb's pods open 😭 like what show was he watching lol

[random saddle]

Kind of a reasonable expectation

[sweet nymph]

Season 3? Prolly not but It would be cool

[twin maple]

Jfc

I do not understand people who see the series as that bleak and hopeless, really not the tone

[queen swift]

THIS is why I ship House x Cooper I LOVE ignoring lore🙏

(Joke)

[floral mist]

oh yeah, that's like, a very clear reference in that video lol glad to see they have indeed been planning for going this direction since S1

[queen swift]

Same image twice🥀

[drowsy cosmos]

Let's shoot for 3

[abstract scarab]

As much as people bitch and moan, Bethesda does have a long term vision for the franchise and they love to sprinkle in hints along the way

[queen swift]

No

[opaque lichen]

lowkey trevor philips

[calm depot]

not a real fallout fan if you don't hate bethesda but still consume everything they release 💔

[queen swift]

I’m fake because I only consume the show❤️‍🩹

[calm depot]

sending you off to anchorage frontlines

[odd saddle]

What little fan animations fallout has are in this video

[queen swift]

I forgot to say fan and now I just told you guys I’m fictional 🥀

[abstract scarab]

Everyone is fictional except me

[calm depot]

aw man thought i was real :(

[fickle jacinth]

@drowsy cosmos Psst, go read up on rule 2 + 3.

[hushed hollow]

I need season 3 like, yesterday

What is phase 2

[drowsy cosmos]

humor is banned cool

[icy pagoda]

oh dear

[hushed hollow]

I mean obviously something to do with FEV

[calm depot]

can't spell enclave with fev or some shit

[hushed hollow]

Are all the vault dwellers gonna turn into super mutants?

[abstract scarab]

Everyone except Chet probably

[hushed hollow]

Also that post credits scene, LIBERTY PRIME BLUEPRINTS are they gonna build another one

[icy pagoda]

I heavily agree with the idea that this felt a lot more like a mid season finale then a season finale. A good season finale answers some questions and asks new ones. This one doesn't really answer anything.

[drowsy cosmos]

no memes in my fallout server. End of story. 🐺

[abstract scarab]

Speculation but there's probably already a Liberty Prime under Area 51, they just need to assemble it and find a power source for the weapons

[hushed hollow]

My guy just follow the rules

[calm depot]

he'll try, i mean i call me crazy i htink building liberty prime from nothing is insanely hard especially in a desert

[abstract scarab]

Careful you might catch a perma by complaining too loud

[calm depot]

but i mean they built like 40 prydwen recreations so maybe not

[hushed hollow]

I mean... It's in area 51. If they're gonna build it anywhere it'll be there

[abstract scarab]

The airships already existed, they just needed the schematics to militarize them for BoS combat

[icy pagoda]

they'll just off screen the creation of him, maybe give us one shot of some legs and half a torso built before cutting back two episodes later to show the whole thing done

[calm depot]

wonder what they'll do for the power problem, prolly some thing in the area 51 will power it though

[abstract scarab]

We already got a shot of the legs behind House in the flashback commercial thing

[icy pagoda]

they gotta go sneaky grab cold fusion, use it to power prime for them to then take it back out of prime to stop him from going even more bonkers

[charred sapphire]

That wouldnt be possible within the constraints of existing lore, liberty prime is a one of a kind special project for the invasion of alaska.

[abstract scarab]

Oh it's you again

[charred sapphire]

That's what the setting also gets wrong, the airships aren't something you can just spam out like villagers in AoE, but they required ECBoS ie. the biggest BoS chapter special efforts just to build their one.

[random saddle]

The television man is correct. He's not dead he's just turned on his VR gaming headset and the whole Fallout wasteland of the TV show is just a game

[mystic plaza]

back for round 2.

[drowsy cosmos]

[calm depot]

i mean we didnt see how the new airships got built on screen, but i just imagined it took a fuck ton of resources considering they scarpped the mobile base crawler and turned it into the prydwen

[mystic plaza]

If they use it for prime, odds are that it'll be destroyed. No chance Todd has the West Coast BOS running around with their own new toy for long.

[random saddle]

Liberty Prime isn't meant to last long

[mystic plaza]

The prydwen is still a special case because the plans needed to be redesigned and built with carrying liberty prime in mind.

[random saddle]

Live fast die young etc, leave the audience weeping with his dying words "I die so that democracy may live"

[mystic plaza]

The other airships don't need that compensation.

[calm depot]

oh that actually makes sense

damn im learning

[icy pagoda]

agreed, i think liberty prime will show up and be pretty short lived all things considered. Will be a set piece for a cool thing but thats about it

[random saddle]

The other airships are also probably rickety things without much tech and meant for recon work rather than housing an entire division of power armor

[abstract scarab]

Tactics established the BoS already has a fleet of airships, they're just not militarized in the same way as the Prydwyn

[mystic plaza]

Exactly.

[calm depot]

yeah the tactics airships dont look very expensive to make

[mystic plaza]

I imagine the Prydwen in specific was expensive to make, but the other airships might not be as expensive or compensate as much military utility.

[charred sapphire]

the way they built the FO3 airship makes sense with the explanation given (base crawler salvage), but the west coast chapters are meant to be weaker and more isolated, and honestly less competent than Todd's space marine boys

[abstract scarab]

The other airships are likely cobbled together from the smaller fleets using the Prydwyn as a template. It's just a visual convenience to use the same model instead of making each one unique and special only to blow them up anyway

[sacred idol]

Liberty Prime will have to be 100% CGI

Ain't no way they building that shit irl

[mystic plaza]

Yeah the Prydwen is confirmed to be the model template.

[icy pagoda]

the fleet existed before bethesda owned fallout, blaming todd for it is actively goofy

[abstract scarab]

It's going to be a forced perspective shot of a man in a tin man suit

[drowsy cosmos]

bus tied to very big balloon

[calm depot]

do love it

[mystic plaza]

I believe it's classifications in the show are Casswenann model-Prydwen.

[random saddle]

I don't know enough about real world military to make the comparison but wouldn't also the BoS designs be done so that all their air ships, from lightweight scouts to huge battleship things, all sort of look alike? Either as a statement or for deception? Or even just the idea of "The prydwyn looks cool, let's design our ship to look just like it "

[icy pagoda]

They will likely make a static version for still shots and background stuff, but any movement we see will involve almost entirely cgi

[charred sapphire]

tactics also had operational ww2 tanks and other goofy shit

[icy pagoda]

and?

[random saddle]

Liberty Prime miniature please. 4 feet tall toy stomping around

[abstract scarab]

It depends on what they're basing them off, but if they're sharing schematics they would probably all look mostly the same from a distance

[calm depot]

does the name Casswenann have a special meaning like the prydwen does

[sweet nymph]

The first 2 are official into
Then operation sunburst and The invasion of New Vegas

[random saddle]

I'm just thinking of like, the C-130 type planes. I don't know a lot about them but I see and hear about them having different lettering to them and some don't actually carry weapons but are just for transport or recon, but they all basically look the same

[drowsy cosmos]

Ship sailed by king Arthur i think

[calm depot]

yeah makes sense

[abstract scarab]

Yeah they're the same chassis, different purposes. C is cargo, it's empty inside. AC is gunship, it has the cannon inside

[calm depot]

brotherhood loves king arthur

[drowsy cosmos]

I would never have guessed

[charred sapphire]

and its not canon?

[neat stone]

Judging by caesar’s last message, it’s definitely the brain tumor that got him

[random saddle]

Lmao

[mystic plaza]

Lol

[abstract scarab]

... What's outlandish about functioning WWII vehicles? They're far more resilient to a nuclear war than modern equipment, you just need to repair the engine and find diesel. That's hardly ground breaking.

[drowsy cosmos]

thaddeus (free thinker) when theres miracle drug (buffalo chicken dip) at the lucky 38 (function)

[abstract scarab]

You can turn plastic into crude oil and refine it into gas, it's just energy inefficient at scale. But for a small fleet of vehicles? Yeah that's actually way more reasonable than the complete absence of any transport that isn't cows.

[odd saddle]

Ik I watched them both

[charred sapphire]

how do you find diesel in a world that runs on atomic energy, or someone who can repair tanks doe

[random saddle]

You just dig some up

[abstract scarab]

#1447296686111068221 message

[elder fiber]

i can't believe we did't get a conclusion to the In-Breeding Support Group plot

[queen swift]

Best plot ever

[abstract scarab]

You know they be slamming it down big style during the riot. I bet they don't even know Steph is Canadian.

[mystic plaza]

Down with management.

[queen swift]

Don’t Canadians have detached jaws?

[abstract scarab]

Only in Colorado, that's why Cooper is heading there

[icy pagoda]

parts of tactics are, parts are not. Choosing to keep a thing canon from a game that is partially already canon is a pretty reasonable thing. Also we see like 4 airships, it's not like a turbo fleet. There are things to be upset about that the show does, this is not one of them.

[mystic plaza]

"Nah if I see 4 airships it means every chapter has one. Even if Quintus says they don't. I still see 4 airships on screen. This is bad writing. "

[icy pagoda]

well said

[charred sapphire]

pretty sure synthetic fuels is more complex than dat. bio fuels tho, but youre not getting diesel engine running on that i think

[charred sapphire]

well the quintus BoS chapter is now building alpha liberty prime in their desert shack, and this nonsensical powercreep started with the airships

[icy pagoda]

power creep = established lore

area 51 = desert shack

I believe in the industry we call this a hate boner

[abstract scarab]

No, man, you can literally just do it. You can turn plastic into gasoline. It's a real thing that's just a little bit of chemistry knowledge. You just can't do it at an industrial scale for an entire nation.

It's not synthetic fuel it's actual literal real gasoline. It all comes from the same goo.

[charred sapphire]

youre going to need more than a shack full of alien shit to come up with a building sized robot, namely heavy industry manufacturing capable fabricators and tools

[random saddle]

What if the conclusion is them being inbred makes them immune to FEV

[charred sapphire]

also steel, electronics, most likely top secret hihgly specific components made in special factories

theres a reason its called military industry complex, shit requires a supply chain

but todd wants liberty prime mecha battle so thats what hes gonna get

[charred sapphire]

whats the process called? im just curious not trying to argue

[icy pagoda]

still pretending area 51 is "a shack"

[icy pagoda]

[charred sapphire]

i said more than just that but okay

[daring cloud]

It’s so peak

https://tenor.com/view/banana-cat-banana-cat-crying-gif-15062598587219580285

[fringe vine]

Hank saying the experiment was the surface, not the vaults is wild

[random saddle]

Where's the lie

[abstract scarab]

Pyrolysis

https://youtu.be/3viFfAnIo5E

[random saddle]

The vaults was just playtime in preparation fornthensurface

[charred sapphire]

nice, gonna check it out

[icy pagoda]

Overall I'm relatively happy with the season outside of a few individual issues. Them abandoning the kids they have to save for example just feels kinda odd

[abstract scarab]

It just takes the same amount of energy it took to turn it into plastic to turn it out of plastic, then the same amount to refine it back into gasoline. It's incredibly wasteful, but this is the fallout universe.

[mystic plaza]

Someone pointed out. What happened to the children in Lucy's Vault?

[neat stone]

Is it really this deep I mean why can’t there just be tanks that run on nuclear energy in the fallout universe

[daring cloud]

Bethesda game logic, no Kids can be killed

[icy pagoda]

were there any lol

[daring cloud]

Yeah, we literally see them being taught by her

[mystic plaza]

Yeah remember steph and Lucy were in charge of their class lol

And they just vanished after LMAO

[charred sapphire]

tbf in todd's games you can also just extract crude oil from surface deposits with homemade extractors, so you can probably skip the 1st step

[neat stone]

All murdered by the raiders

[icy pagoda]

I imagine they are just off screen, if characters actually die normally it's mentioned (jelly mold)

[civic crypt]

My slightly jokey but also serious answer is They got written out after the writers fully finalized the vaults were gonna get wrecked

[fringe vine]

Not just the men, but the women, AND CHILDREN

[civic crypt]

They really are only in the pilot for a bit, it is very likely it was a pilot thing they choose not to carry over which happens

[mystic plaza]

With the introduction if chemistry actively playing a bigger part in creating resources in the games, this is super feasible. Not on a national scale, but easily to push from point A to point B and back.

[random saddle]

The raiders just "enslaved" the children

[fringe vine]

I know it’s just a crazy thought

[random saddle]

And the children's slavers were set upon by NCR ambush and liberated

From their heads. Then the children were liberated

[daring cloud]

Colorado rockies enclave base ?

[icy pagoda]

I wonder what the landscape of colorado will be like in terms of factions since most tribes were taken over by the now mostly dissolved legion

[mystic plaza]

I imagine definite Midwest BOS and Reavers appearances

[charred sapphire]

it will be raiders, super mutants and ghouls. HAIL TODD

[abstract scarab]

Right the point is Energy Returned on Energy Invested, or EROEI. On a national scale it stops being feasible, but for a small gang of raiders or BoS (what's the difference) it can allow for a significant force projection compared to other wastelanders

[calm depot]

yes

[icy pagoda]

I need that armor in my life so bad

[abstract scarab]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheyenne_Mountain_Complex

[sacred idol]

COLORADO IS NOT MIDWEST

[bleak flax]

I wonder how many watched until the secret scene

[sacred idol]

I fast forward. Wasn't gonna watch the entire credits

[charred sapphire]

isnt that the terminator 3 skynet base

[daring cloud]

Well they fucked

[calm depot]

i started to skip during the credits and saw the secret scene, watched some reactions though some people missed it

[daring cloud]

Ok so all in all , great season, wish it was longer tho

[mystic plaza]

It's Midwest as far as Bethesda's concerned for 'Wasteland' regions.

[amber creek]

how i feel after knowing the enclave nuked shady sands

[daring cloud]

It makes sense, the ncr was becoming too powerful

Even if they were in decline they’re still the only actual nation state born out of the ashes

The legion Doesnt and has never counted , as it’s just a group of semi disciplined raider groups who kill and subjugate everyone they see, that’s a junta, not a nation

[amber creek]

Yeah also feels nice

eye for an eye if u know what i mean

[calm depot]

i mean enclave started it first

[amber creek]

well did u get what i mean

Control station Enclave... Oil rig

[random saddle]

Enclave sux

[daring cloud]

The rig was legit one dude, and not a dude from the ncr at that

[random saddle]

Got whipped by an idiot giving their president a word problem it couldn't solve

[brisk cliff]

What might season 3 be about????

[amber creek]

well i mean ncr was at war with the enclave and the vault dweller or who ever supported the ncr

[daring cloud]

The way I did the Pointing meme when that happened

[analog frost]

How is quintus going to get all that power for their liberty prime?

[fossil flicker]

I still think fev is gonna be released

[calm depot]

prolly something in area 51/he tries to get cold fusion

[daring cloud]

Was Quintus even shown. Did I miss something bos

[random saddle]

He was filling up fusion cores with the cold fusion

[calm depot]

yeah go back to the episode post credit scene

[daring cloud]

Cus I’m pretty sure there wasn’t any bos scenes in this ep

[random saddle]

Post credits scene

[neat stone]

Post credit scene

[amber creek]

i have a feeling the enclave might like kinda win sine BoS is busy fighting eachother and ncr vs legion 2.0 is happening again

[random saddle]

Enclave never wins its like team rocket

[calm depot]

lowkey would be really funny if they win in season 3 and release fev onto the earth and just kill everything, can't make a new fallout game is there is no wasteland

hire me as a writer amazon

[grizzled garden]

post credits scene

[neat stone]

I just hope the enclave doesn’t lose too much or get destroyed in this show. They’d make a cool faction for Fallout 5, especially with all these setups in the show.

[grizzled garden]

the chinese enclave are going to come save the day

[daring cloud]

Oh damn

[neat stone]

And maybe we can ACTUALLY SIDE WITH THEM THIS TIME

[daring cloud]

How would they even build liberty prime

[calm depot]

realistically if get destroyed they'll just pop back up somewhere else

[grizzled garden]

No idea

[dawn iris]

we will get them as a villain for Fallout 5 for sure - whether it will be in the Rockies or in the Midwest

[daring cloud]

It took the brightest minds of the pre war and post war to even get the power core working.

[calm depot]

tradition atp

[icy pagoda]

off screen

[dawn iris]

I doubt that

[calm depot]

you'd hope

[dawn iris]

off screen with time jump..... CONVENIENT

[daring cloud]

I wish the blueprints had been the 3 version

The version rebuilt in 4 was explicitly a brotherhood rebuild to uparmour and increase his weaponry .

[neat stone]

Drag Dr. Li’s ass back again to bos

[dawn iris]

how Quintus even has Liberty Prime blueprints ??

[icy pagoda]

my theory is that prime always required cold fusion and the agitator it gets to work in 3 / 4 is an incredibly complex way to get around that and only understandable by the people who have worked directly on it as it's so custom, hence them always needing Madison Li

[daring cloud]

House is who built prime, makes sense the blueprints would be in 51 given it’s a haven of pre war tech

[mystic plaza]

They didn't have the plans in FO3 I thought they just found prime and studied it to hell

[neat stone]

Well he’s in area 51

[daring cloud]

Well yeah. But the plans would be the fallout 3 version

[odd saddle]

Best part of the episode is when the courier looked at the camera took his mask off to reveal the most basic dude ever and looked at the deathclaw and said “it’s new Vegas time”

[dawn iris]

also, it is weird that the Enclave didn't take Area 51 for its own reasons

[mystic plaza]

Idk tho, I'm gonna double check

[daring cloud]

Fallout 3 is his actual build design. 4 is him being rebuilt from scrap by the Boston chapter

[odd saddle]

This is alpha so maybe it’s an updated version that never got released

[icy pagoda]

it's strange that everyone keeps assuming alpha means stronger and not first model. For all we know this could be the same liberty prime we've already seen or even a weaker version.

[daring cloud]

Idk man it feels a bit too memberberries

[odd saddle]

Where is @vivid plaza we need his amazing opinions

I feel so lost without him

[pale ferry]

I dont think the enclave base is there HQ cause i went back and looked at small details and saw this

[icy pagoda]

Like if a creation is in alpha, normally that doesn't mean the strongest version, it means the first version or the test version

[daring cloud]

Liberty prime alpha would be the 3 design.

[pale ferry]

Its a comstation

[daring cloud]

He never even got out the pentagon because he didn’t work. There wasn’t any previous designs

[odd saddle]

So it’s a com station?

[pale ferry]

Yes

[neat stone]

They should make liberty prime omega but it’s just regular liberty prime with an amazon basics skirt on

[pale ferry]

A 4th one to be exact

[calm depot]

might just be me but i hope the enclave in s3 feature the sick ass looking enclave officier uniforms from 3

[odd saddle]

How do we know there’s 3 other comm stations?

[calm depot]

but it does look like they all got new fits so maybe not

[pale ferry]

There is a 4 after commstation

[daring cloud]

This is the one time I’m explicitly not ok with the nostalgia baiting cus it could have been correct nostalgia baiting by using the established original design in the blueprint

3 design is best boi , he shall not be dismissed

[unkempt hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/enclave-watching-fallout-america-gif-9146242281505060525

[charred sapphire]

stop asking questions, BIG ROBOT FIGHT! FUNKO POPS!!

[odd saddle]

Oh shit so there’s atleast 5 other bases we haven’t see yet

[calm depot]

do like how these got the same texts as the fallout 3 enclave terminals we can find

[amber creek]

The comstation also looked like it was in an snowy mountainous area so maybe macarthur? butit wouldnt be logical since the scientist couldnt have walked so far

[odd saddle]

COUNTING CHICAGO