EPISODE 8

[rare acorn]

Probably lol he genocide her people

[steel warren]

Yeah very similar to house

[regal carbon]

Hell the guy for west tek is the head researcher for fev

[opal hawk]

yeah

[regal carbon]

At the place roger was at

And the lady for repconn is their cfo and is referenced in nv

[humble rock]

I do wonder though how much of the pre war government did Vault Tec compromise?

[regal carbon]

Like that whole room is just a massive reference

[rare acorn]

Should've had house say ice cream

[humble rock]

What doesn't make sense is if Mr House knew Vault Tec was going to launch the nukes, how did his preparations fail to keep himself awake?

[regal carbon]

Vault tec didn't launch nukes Likely

Just made the peace talks fail

[opal hawk]

WHO was this guy? Is this the President?

[regal carbon]

Enclave member Likely

[sturdy bone]

Honestly i could see her just leaving him to get irradiated and see if he turns into a ghoul himself

[bright badge]

The bomb shockwaves disrupted power

[humble rock]

And by the way what happened to Rose McLean was worse, being turned into a feral ghoul is a fate worse than death

[regal carbon]

There's always someone behind the wheel and pre war it was the enclave

[rare acorn]

There's probably more to the story cuz moldover was also alive prewar so she either was in v31 with Hank in the cryopods or there's another management vault in NCR territory

[humble rock]

It makes Hank McLane even more detestable as a villain

[opal hawk]

not just pre war. In the beginning of tv show we see scientist running away from his Enclave base. They are still active and have secret bases everywhere.

[sturdy bone]

She was a rich ass scientist who had all of the companies she worked for bought up by vault-tec. She either had her own cryopod /personal shelter or she got in a fancy private one for other scientists.

[rare acorn]

Ya it's nice to see a real villain in fallout and not like fo4's Father

[regal carbon]

Yeah but the enclave are very weaken they ain't behind the wheel anymore

[sturdy bone]

I would not count out her being in an enclave one and her having ran away and that's how the dude with glasses knew about her and her talents

[regal carbon]

Vault tec is tbh

[rare acorn]

Interesting

[sturdy bone]

No ones really behind the wheel anymore. Enclave tookover Vault Tec pre-war in the shadows if the fallout bible is to be canon

[rare acorn]

Also how long was the guy on the run from the enclave because the show makes it seem like it basically just happened so that enclave base must still be up

[sturdy bone]

So you have enclave and then vault-tec which is just enclave pawns

[opal hawk]

fallout bible is not canon

[rare acorn]

More importantly where tf was he

[opal hawk]

it will be revealed in Season 2. Enclave still has bases

[rare acorn]

Or it'll be revealed in fo4 next gen upgrade with its new enclave storyline

[opal hawk]

unlikely, because that base was in West Coast

[regal carbon]

My guess it's northern Commonwealth

[rare acorn]

Man I hope that update also affects the enclave guy in FH, give him some new dialogue or something

[shrewd rune]

That’s just a creation club quest

[regal carbon]

Like the order came from the Commonwealth

So it the enclave base must from there

[opal hawk]

the enclave scientists from tv show DID NOT just walk bare feet from East coast, what are you guys talking about...

[rare acorn]

No it's not, that enclave questline is completely new, it's made by people Bethesda hired off the America rising 2 team

[regal carbon]

Many people have before

[shrewd rune]

So just a creation club quest…

[opal hawk]

hopefully you can join them 🙂

[rare acorn]

It's not in the creation club lmao, get it through your head

[regal carbon]

Why would you be able to join them

They hate wastelanders

[opal hawk]

because Nate is a pre war soldier?

[regal carbon]

And not enclave

[rare acorn]

Tbf you are a prewar human in 4 so if anyone would be allowed into the enclave it's probably them

[bright badge]

They'd still shoot at him

[regal carbon]

Yeah but you ain't enclave

[shrewd rune]

It will that’s like saying all the content advertised with the Skyrim anniversary edition was real. It’s just another unvoiced creation club quest

[bright badge]

^

[opal hawk]

in FO4 you are playing as someone from the vault, and pre-war

[regal carbon]

Enclave doesn't care you ain't enclave

[rare acorn]

It doesn't matter because it's apart of the game now, it's no longer creation club

[regal carbon]

They didn't care when meeting I think vault 13

Or another vault

[shrewd rune]

Uh yes it still is. It being bundled doesn’t make it more canon or official.

[opal hawk]

Enclave hired wastelander Stiggs, so if you're useful to them - you can join them. https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Stiggs

[regal carbon]

Then you get shot

[shrewd rune]

They definitely got the Sole survivors voice actor to voice a CC quest for a fully joinable enclave faction…

[regal carbon]

Once your usefulness is done

[shrewd rune]

Ok fellas, believe what you will

[bright badge]

They'd 100% shoot him once he's not useful anymore

[opal hawk]

you're thinking in two dimensions, they wouldn't just shoot Sole Survivor who took down Institute or BoS

[regal carbon]

They would

[opal hawk]

they wouldnt

[untold jackal]

Wow I'm just finishing after hearing about New Vegas being retconned and... It is not that deep. Things shift about in adaptations. Just cos the timeline has been adjusted doesn't mean the games didn't happen. Chill. The show is doing its own thing completely separate from the games anyway

[regal carbon]

Once he aint useful anymore

[untold jackal]

is only gaem why u heff to be mehd

[bright badge]

They literally kill members of project purity lmao

[opal hawk]

he is useful

[bright badge]

You're assuming the Enclave is smart though

[regal carbon]

But once he ain't

[shrewd rune]

I mean they let a member of project purity join

[opal hawk]

they didn't, they took atht one doctor and she joined them. Autumn only killed Janice because Dad didn't cooperate

[shrewd rune]

The sole survivor is a prewar US soldier, seems qualified but this is clearly just a kill the enclave CC quest

[regal carbon]

He will get rare bullet to brain disease

[bright badge]

So they did kill someone in project purity. Like I just said

[opal hawk]

thats disappointing :/

[bright badge]

They're fascists so fuck them tbf

[opal hawk]

i wish Enclave would just kill whole BoS

[shrewd rune]

Sir I’m still waiting for Fallout 4 Broken steel, temper your expectations lol

[opal hawk]

Legion is worse

[bright badge]

Enclave try mass genocide

[shrewd rune]

Enclave is actually worse

[opal hawk]

Eden wanted mass genocide, not Autumn

[shrewd rune]

Literally gonna kill 99% of humanity. Autumn is one guy

The fallout 2 Enclave was all Human beings fully committed to murdering the wasteland

[sturdy bone]

Enclave and BOS both have insanely fashy tendencies

[shrewd rune]

Cough Buzzword but Brotherhood stay winning 😎

That said I much prefer the militartstic take on the BoS in 4 vs the show. Both are still better than 3s take, replaying that game right now is making me hate Lyons BoS for real. god all their lines are bad

[untold jackal]

It's gonna be fun to see how they try sidestepping the multiple NV endings in season 2

[opal hawk]

tbh it's unpopular opinion, but i liked Lyons Brotherhood, at least they were united 🙂

[shrewd rune]

thats not unpopular theres plenty of people who likes Lyons BoS

[shrewd rune]

Also...Outcasts

[humble rock]

I liked the series don't get me wrong, but I still hate how Bethesda has to wank the Brotherhood of Steel again

[sour plover]

Been playing fallout since 2 came out…not the least bit upset about this show. In fact, I loved it and can’t wait to watch it again

[humble rock]

It was good, just a bit annoyed that Bethesda had to reset everything

[sour plover]

Not even annoyed at that.

[warm ermine]

Just to clarify, bethesda didn't write the show

They just had people helping confirm stuff

[humble rock]

But they're canonizing it

[warm ermine]

Which part specifically are you referring to being reset

[bright badge]

Bethesda bad mfs distorting reality to justify a show doing something they dislike

[humble rock]

The state of California

[warm ermine]

thats not vague at all

[humble rock]

I liked the show and all I'm just a little peeved about what happened with the NCR

[bright badge]

😡 Bethesda made the vault dweller have children

[warm ermine]

You mean placement of towns?

[humble rock]

I was hoping to see Veteran Rangers in live action

[sour plover]

Next time?

We didn’t get a (live) deathclaw.

[humble rock]

Now with a weakened if not outright destroyed NCR, who the hell even knows

[warm ermine]

there were 3 deathclaw skulls

[sour plover]

No one even fired a laser rifle/pistol despite us seeing them multiple times

Still a great show

[shrewd rune]

I wouldn't be a fallout fan without Bethesda my first game was Fallout 3, But that doesn't mean I have to be okay with lore breaks or every decision. God all the fighting over this show is so tedious. People just cant let each others have their own thoughts.

[humble rock]

Though Mr. House being as amoral as the rest of pre war America was an interesting change

[sour plover]

I didn’t realize it was house

Until I hit pause and saw the cast

[warm ermine]

He seems to keep back a little bit compared to the others

[shrewd rune]

Yeah House isnt enthuastic vs the rest of them

I think Sinclair being on board with it is wrong though

[warm ermine]

I think he made one comment about experiements

hold on

[humble rock]

I just hope the NCR does still exist in a weakened state, in Season 2 or even Season 3. It's arguably one of the most iconic factions in the series.

No matter how Todd Howard tries to wank off the BoS

[sour plover]

It could always rebuild

[shrewd rune]

Same. Its the most popular faction in the franchise alongside the Brotherhood, obviously theres gonna be those who dont want them to be gone. We'll have to just wait and see in season 2

[sour plover]

I felt this show made the BoS look like schmucks.

Titus was a cowardly prick

[shrewd rune]

True but they still won

[little condor]

Same, the Bear deserves a better fate than getting roflstomped by those jokesters in the BoS.

[warm ermine]

Hm yeah I think they leaned more towards bos looking bad lol

[humble rock]

Because if it's a rebuilding NCR for the rest of the show, I can get behind that

[warm ermine]

they even had the elder like hey lets make our own brotherhood

[shrewd rune]

and Yeah this chapter sucks ass, BrainRot BoS

[humble rock]

And they just gained access to cold fusion

[shrewd rune]

Season 3 Elder Maxson shows up to put the Elder Cleric down 😎

[humble rock]

Because if the show confirms that the NCR was outright destroyed, a lot of fans are going to be mad

[little condor]

Maxson making an appearance would be cool; dude's, what, nearly 30 by 2296? Would be curious to see what he's up to by then.

[humble rock]

Just sucks that now it feels like our choices in New Vegas may not even matter

[empty idol]

so its brotherhood outcast but on the west?

[little condor]

Eh, I'd hold off judgement until S2, though I do agree that New Vegas looking like a major dump does require some major 'splainin then.

[warm ermine]

I don't know bos lore or ranks of anything very well someone else can answer that

[empty idol]

And Maximus gonna be the star paladin? or elder

[little condor]

Unless Hoover Dam itself got blown up, NV itself should realistically be fine barring the writers pressing the Tunneler reset button that Ulysses hyped up back in Lonesome Road.

[empty idol]

whats question?

[warm ermine]

wat

I don't know anything about outcast

[shrewd rune]

It might end up like that yes

[empty idol]

bos ranks consist of squire > initiate > knight > high ranked knight (idk name is) > paladin > star paladin > sentinel > elder

ik enclave ncr and legion 2

[shrewd rune]

Different chapters have different ranks, the Show BoS doesn't remotely follow that for example

[rare acorn]

The name is really non consequential, outcasts are real bos, elder Lyons was a exiled branch basically

[warm ermine]

oh okay (I hate the bos so I pay little attention when they come up)

[rare acorn]

They outcasted themselves from Lyons bos

[empty idol]

oh yeah but they use that template so its not far off

yeah

[sturdy bone]

I'm assuming Hoover was blown up and that's why vegas ultimately fell to the point they depict it at

[shrewd rune]

Well no in the show from what weve seen

Aspirant<Squire<Knight
Cleric<High Cleric<Elder Cleric
Petty Officer

[empty idol]

yeah

[shrewd rune]

That's all the named ranks in the show. Very different from other chapters

[warm ermine]

when the others were making their comments about ideas for vaults this is all house said

[rare acorn]

Knight and cleric are two different ranks

[empty idol]

i think this is many reason why the elder want to create new bos

[rare acorn]

Clerics are probably just a new name for the scribes

[empty idol]

house always wins

[shrewd rune]

Ehh we see some people in Field scribe outfits separate from Clerics

[empty idol]

im sure 100% that lucy dad go to new vegas to meet mr house

[warm ermine]

he seems the most level headed of everyone in that meeting honestly

[rare acorn]

The show should release something like a game manual that gives us on details of the minor stuff like this

[warm ermine]

just asking how they can guarantee a return on their investment

a show game manual lol

maybe after the entire show is done, they dont wanna tell us the secrets now

[rare acorn]

Yess it would be great for lore

[empty idol]

wait so other ceo of the company like west tek vault tek etc died and only house left alive?

[rare acorn]

Not secrets just telling us things like what clerics are and how they got that name and other info pieces that really don't have a reason to come up during an episode because it's insignificant

[warm ermine]

well the fallout twitter has been posting random lore facts over the last like 2 months which I wasnt sure if it was meant to be info for people with the show coming up or potential 4 update, and now I still cant tell since they both came out the same 24 hour period lol

[lethal rock]

The fact he served during the battle of Anchorage shows he has technical knowledge of the T-45, and T-60 armor. It took him 2 seconds when he could get to the conductor and and rip the tube and conductor wire. Hints why he made that comment to Maximus saying clearly you didn’t read the TM for your equipment. Giving idiot PA doesn’t make them any smarter…just strong dumb.

[rare acorn]

Also he knew about a structural weakness in the chest plate

[lethal rock]

I will say tho I would expect actual knights to know their equipment for better than squires or engineer/technical scribes unless the just leave repairs to the mechanics….then that just makes them dodos. I’m gonna assume there is no way a PA doesn’t have a fail safe to open in case of fusion core ejection, depletion, or removal and that Maximus being an idiot is why he couldn’t get out

[lost wedge]

He demonstrated super speed before, special penetration ammunition,
200+ years experience with PA and jacked on chems. 🥳

[sturdy bone]

The manual failsafe is the wheel on the outside. Power cores, even depleated wouldn't just shoot out and prob had enough power when drained to make sure the suit still worked for basic movement/in/out

[lost wedge]

At least in my head cannon, the manuals had been lost before BoS. 🤔

[lethal rock]

I think there has to be a fail safe on the inside tho and his lack of knowledge is what it was

[native skiff]

i can’t believe they lore dropped who started the great war finally

[opal hawk]

vault tec didn't start great war, it was just their plan. someone beat em to it

[lethal rock]

Nah probably just heavily guarded secret for clerics and actual knights right? Going against a red war vet tho who has 200+ years of combat and wasteland experience is never a good enemy to have tho

[native skiff]

they literally said they were gonna start it themselves, they probably had a date for it and just didn’t warn anyone

[lost wedge]

could work

[opal hawk]

they didn't have anything, she was just lying to persuade those corporations and investors

[native skiff]

if they didn’t have anything then how did vault tec nuke shady sands

[sturdy bone]

Bruv vault tec logo is on the bomb in megaton

[lethal rock]

I think overall the lore isn’t too janky. We know the fall of Shady started in 2277, from food shortages, outward enemies and internal political dissent which eventually ended with a nuke going off….same for NV looking like it does.

[rare acorn]

Made no sense, sometimes he opens the suit all on his own while inside and others he needs a manual valve turned to open

[sturdy bone]

They have nuclear powered cars and fusion reactors small enough to be inside power armor. Do you really think people might be able to repurpose that for a bigger nuke?

[lethal rock]

So it could have all happened shortly after NV and who is to say the legion didn’t get nuked too?

[sturdy bone]

But also didn't FO76 involve getting nukes for well... vault tec?

[rare acorn]

Vault tec probably used an enclave facility to nuke em

[sturdy bone]

No it -did- happen after NV. But shady sands was only nuked because they tapped into vaults 31/32/33 water supply

[lethal rock]

That’s what I’m saying I didn’t think it ever jacked up the overall lore

[native skiff]

exactly

whose to say vault tec don’t have a supply of nukes

they could’ve bought em from contractors

like west tek or the military

[sturdy bone]

It never did. only people who can't read a flowchart thinks otherwise

[sturdy bone]

Vault tec bought out west tek iirc but also enclave kinda had it's own hooks into vault tec

[rare acorn]

Since shady sands wasn't nuked by the couriers I wonder what ending to LR is canon, maybe they only nuked legion in it

[sturdy bone]

In LR they only nuked the road between shady sands and NV

So that could still be a thing we'll see next season

[native skiff]

probably mr house ending or something

[lethal rock]

I’d say enclave is more than likely working hand in hand with vault tek and to think any of these organizations disappear after you swipe one place is absurd. They have soo many back ups to the backups

[native skiff]

i mena you saw the enclave dudes in the show, they were just vault scientists

[lethal rock]

Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if the great divide was still used to nuke Shady and the legion and the aftermath of that caused NV to get assaulted since you could blame @all parties/factions… which worked out in vault 31s aka managements favor

I’m glad the BoS are back to being butt heads but then again the west coast chapters have always been dicks

[sturdy bone]

Mr house had upgraded securitons, Independnt vegas without the upgraded securitons make a looot of sense if NV truely was sacked

[lethal rock]

And you know what…as much as I hate Maximus’ personality. He kinda represents the newbie fallout players with no experience and just see BoS omg sooo cool and just steal stuff

[sturdy bone]

Plus indepentant vegas makes sense for NCR collapsing even more

[thorny mirage]

i really loved the show but am being sad and nitpicky that they botched the sinclair casting BAD

[lethal rock]

As long as I get to see some T-45, T-51, X-01 and X-02 at some@point I’ll be extremely happy

[lost wedge]

I can see Willow's tent in the final scene, is it possible he make's it there before, The Courier? 😆

[sturdy bone]

Why is this such a hang up for people.

The dude was rich and could get painted however he wanted and or it was a younger him that was painted.

But the reality is sinclair and house look a lot alike and having two people that looked that similar to each other with only a few minutes of screen time is absurd for a TV show aimed at the general pop

[thorny mirage]

Because that's not how I pictured him in my head? Dead Money is my favorite DLC and so I have a personal enough stake in not liking the casting?

[thorny musk]

woah, the brotherhood actually used power armor intelligently in the battle. the unarmored troops were stacking up behind the knights and using them as cover

[short dagger]

Agreed, I didn’t even really recognize him as Sinclair at first.

[thorny mirage]

It's not such a hang up to ruin the show for me, like I said I loved the show personally, just a nitpick personal to me.

[sturdy bone]

idk blame the public at large for generally consuming media at a 6th grade level and possibly having two actors that look insanely alike at an evil meeting might set off "they're brothers" vibes ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thorny mirage]

I... don't think it's wise to shape media around peoples poor comprehension levels.

I'm allowed to winge just a little lmao

[warm ermine]

you can be nitpicky it's fine

[humble rock]

I do think Maximus leaves the BoS

[sturdy bone]

That's been the average level to hit for decades for various reasons. It's what almost everything is aimed at to get the largest amount of consumer base.

Like kids/non native speakers are included in the general public too

[thorny mirage]

I'm going to politely ask we drop the matter. I came to express one of my very few negative responses to the show which I otherwise enjoyed, not discuss things in this direction, thank you.

[potent thorn]

Anyone active here? I am looking for info. Does the series mean NCR died?

[short dagger]

No

[hexed cosmos]

Im more upset that Sinclair was just a client of Big MT he wasn't their representative

[quartz pendant]

Jesus

[worldly jay]

They're probably active in northern california and will be present in season 2

[hexed cosmos]

If this was just some random guy who ran Big MT then it would be fine

[quartz pendant]

@sturdy bone I’m starting to see where your frustration is coming from lmao

[potent thorn]

I just got to episode 6... that scene where Lucy saw Shady Sand billboard. What does that mean?

[warm ermine]

It’s highly debated

[quartz pendant]

I would watch the rest of the skies

Show

[warm ermine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1225376618084827146/1228106543770239057/Screenshot_20240411-143947.png?ex=662ad659&is=66186159&hm=a794f4f38da2577bb5227c7813f8635cc3755059ad189e2a32e3b5277aa23150&

[quartz pendant]

Writers should know better than to declare things on Twitter

[potent thorn]

Does the series happen before or after FNV?

[quartz pendant]

Especially regarding lore/canon

[warm ermine]

Pin has timeline

[quartz pendant]

After

[short dagger]

[short dagger]

Yeah that’s partly why I didn’t recognize him

[rare acorn]

15 some years after nv right?

[worldly jay]

why're you in the ep8 thread if you just got to ep6

[quartz pendant]

Episode 6 put me to sleep

[rare acorn]

How, it was hilarious

[short dagger]

Indeed

[potent thorn]

Probably because spoilers never bothered me.

[worldly jay]

I wish I was you

[hexed cosmos]

Im just...gonna assume he's just a guy coincidentally named Sinclair

[quartz pendant]

Idk seemed repetitive

[rare acorn]

Maybe

[potent thorn]

and I wish I were you... This overwhelming curiosity and itch to dig up info before diving into something makes experiencing new things slower..

[warm ermine]

A woman being eaten alive by fish she birthed put you to sleep?

I’m concerned

[rare acorn]

Goddddddddddd that was so nasty

[warm ermine]

Me the whole time

[rare acorn]

Lmao

[sturdy bone]

Lmaoo yeah. I've def been kinda like "fuck it gloves are just staying off" with the discussion.

[rare acorn]

I like how Maximus is the low intelligence build

[sturdy bone]

Low int high Wis

[warm ermine]

High endurance though

[quartz pendant]

🥵

[blissful notch]

"What is this? 🤨👉 🥚"

[worldly jay]

I can relate to that I guess, I sometimes spoil myself looking for something that'll probably get me spoiled but like, just pretend like it's not real and that I misread or something you know

[rare acorn]

The scene with the mechanic was hilarious, "here's extra for doing it fast" does it in literally a millisecond

[blissful notch]

My brother and I looked at the IMDB and saw "Ghoul Rose MacClean" and were like "FUCK THE TWIST IS SPOILED" and oh how wrong we were

[short dagger]

Yesss.. how wrong..

[sturdy bone]

i'm usually p.good with spoilers because even knowing random plot details a lot of the fun is the story up to those plot details

[rare acorn]

Ghoul rose was messed up

[potent thorn]

I learn bits and pieces and try to patch it together, connect the dots while watching/playing.

[blissful notch]

Also they did the ghouls SO good in this

[potent thorn]

so.... what happened to Shady Sands?

[sturdy bone]

Don't talk about the hottest character in the show like that /s

[rare acorn]

I like how the ghouls in the show are all melted looking and have vastly different skin tones like in fo3 and the old games

[worldly jay]

boom

[sturdy bone]

Finish the show

[blissful notch]

especially the ferals, like this is the first time in 25 years feral ghouls have looked the exact same as normal ghouls

[potent thorn]

So they do reveal what happened to Shady Sands?

[hexed cosmos]

The Sole Survivor once getting in the Institute should've done this exact same thing

[blissful notch]

yeah so go finish it

[worldly jay]

it got bombed I think that's obvious, no more details off you go come on

[rare acorn]

Basically every S1 plot mystery was wrapped up and then they gave some new ones for s2

[blissful notch]

What's the likelihood we end up seeing some recurring characters from || NV || in Season 2?

[sturdy bone]

Maybe one or two but I feel like they're gonna be ambigious as fuck as to everything that's gone on in nevada

[blissful notch]

Like maybe the ones that'd make sense for them to stay, such as ||Veronica or Victor||

[hexed cosmos]

wouldnt they be like really old by then

[blissful notch]

I wanna say ||Elijah but if he was locked in the vault he is dead as hell||

[rare acorn]

Was coop listening to butcher Pete in one of the prewar scenes as he pulls up in a car

[blissful notch]

yeah but I think even the elderly have a role in the BOS

and also Victor wouldn't age

[potent thorn]

Why not Raul? or ED-E?

Edit: Or Rex...

[hexed cosmos]

Dude he's gonna be long dead regardless its been like 20 years

[blissful notch]

For Raul it depends cause I feel like if he picks up his guns he'll wander and ED-E would end up just following the Courier around

[blissful notch]

that is exactly what I said

[potent thorn]

In one ending, Raul does end up leaving his Vaquero lifestyle. and ED-E leaves with another caravan.

[short dagger]

I could see Raul being in season 2, or at least I wouldn’t be surprised.

[worldly jay]

I wonder which ending would be considered canon

[blissful notch]

praying it's Danny Trejo playing him again 🙏

[rare acorn]

It would definitely be him that's the only way they'd probably do it

[blissful notch]

Mainly cause he is a KILLER actor both in the booth and on the screen

[worldly jay]

Mr house ending would be the most likely option I guess?

[hexed cosmos]

Lazy Raul

[blissful notch]

I'd chalk it up either to House, NCR, or Free Vegas

[worldly jay]

free vegas could be interesting

[sturdy bone]

Free vegas without upgraded securitons

[blissful notch]

Imagine we see an elderly Chet still at the Goodsprings store lol

[regal carbon]

If they do add chet clearly he should be played by like Jim carrey

[shrewd rune]

lol I did spoil myself on ep 8 after watching ep 5

[celest urchin]

holy fucking shit

are you fucking kidding me

i fucking love this show

how is it this good??

[blissful notch]

holy shit you're onto something

But could they afford Jim Carrey, Danny Trejo, and Wayne Newton in one season? 🤔

imo if I'd have to choose between the three I'd want Wayne Newton in Season 2 to reprise his role as Mr New Vegas

[grave yacht]

Holy SHIT

I wonder what ending from NV they will use

[short dagger]

This is Mr. New Vegas, filling in for Mr. New Vegas.

[celest urchin]

house stil in controll i geuss

[celest urchin]

god i wish halo got the treatment like thtis..

[worldly jay]

I mean the only hint they gave us was mr house in the meeting so it's likely that hank's going there to meet him? Why else would he go to nv

[blissful notch]

What do you guys think the Courier's canon attire is?

[worldly jay]

It could be anything tho

[blissful notch]

Elite Riot Gear, Survivalist's Riot Gear, Scorched SIerra Power Armor, hell the Vault 21 jumpsuit maybe

[short dagger]

Either the duster Ulysses gives him, or some variation of the Riot Gear

[blissful notch]

there's a lot of iconic clothing the courier can wear

[bright badge]

What's in the artwork

The duster

[grave yacht]

The courier might be allied with Joshua Graham canonically and might be where he is

[bright badge]

Doubt it, courier wanders too much

[blissful notch]

Courier ain't a homebody

[grave yacht]

I bet we at least hear about him

[blissful notch]

he's probably out in some other wasteland by now

[grave yacht]

Courier was a massive part of New Vegas history

But we likely won’t see him

[short dagger]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re in the midwest

[blissful notch]

Cooper and Co. bust into the Lucky 38 and find Hank crouched over the servers hosting Mr New Vegas

where the fuck was I going with that....

[grave yacht]

Securitrons

[blissful notch]

no seriously how in the world am I tying that back to the courier

[worldly jay]

Riot gear is definetely his endgame outfit, it just fits

[grave yacht]

We could see the Kings but if it’s anything like how I left it the Kings are all dead

As well as everyone else

[blissful notch]

Anyways I can see Hank busting into the Lucky 38 in an attempt to find House or in an attempt to find Mr New Vegas cause he's basically PAM

[rare acorn]

Isn't all of Vegas dead in the end shot, there's dead securitrons out front and crashed NCR vertibirds littering the streets

[blissful notch]

we won't know what happened to Vegas until Season 2

[rare acorn]

Or at least no power structure outside of gangs

[grave yacht]

Crazy that the NCR is gone though

[blissful notch]

I wouldn't say FULLY gone

just gone from the LA area and maybe the Mojave

[celest urchin]

sands wna'ts there only capital

[grave yacht]

You guys think the Chosen One is still around

What is this 2297?

[blissful notch]

if he is he is dead of old age

[celest urchin]

what about vault city tho

[blissful notch]

I'd imagine that's still standing

[grave yacht]

Only 50 years

[blissful notch]

that place rivals the Institute

[celest urchin]

like that this proofs vault tech and the enclave were working togethor

[grave yacht]

Lone Wanderer and Sole Survivor definitely still alive but we won’t see them unless somehow the characters make it to the east coast

[blissful notch]

Are there any characters that end up heading west from the East Coast games?

[short dagger]

He’s probably still in Arroyo.

[worldly jay]

I doubt we'll 'see' them, maybe mentioned

[grave yacht]

I think one of the only people that went coast to coast was Kellogg

But he came from the west

[blissful notch]

it'd be kinda neat if we see his duster hung up somewhere

[short dagger]

I mean it’s 19 years for the LW and 9 for the SS, they could’ve gone anywhere

[grave yacht]

Did we get any vault dweller/chosen one references in this season

[short dagger]

Sorry, not for 3 and 4

[worldly jay]

I don't think so

[grave yacht]

I can’t wait for season 2 now

Too bad it will likely be 2 years

[ripe lynx]

I hope Caesars Legion is in season 2. They had the electric pole crucifixions in Episode 1. Definitely a node to them.

[short dagger]

I am very curious as to why Hank is going to NV

[rare acorn]

Vault 21

[ripe lynx]

Get in touch with Mr House

Robot army

[short dagger]

Doesn’t look like that robot army exists anymore

[ripe lynx]

I don't think that. I think the end slides were just trying to depict the aftermath of a battle.

[short dagger]

True

[rare acorn]

Looked like an empty dead city to me

[short dagger]

Making the trip to donate his jumpsuit to Sarah

[ripe lynx]

Also since this show is taking creative liberties with the factions. I hope they rewrite the Enclave back to existence. They kinda already did based off what we saw. I hope they flesh them out more.

[worldly jay]

thought it looks like that because it's daytime but idk

[rare acorn]

Well there's dead securitrons and crashed vertis in the streets

[short dagger]

I wouldn’t take the end credits as reality

[ripe lynx]

Yeah we didn't see enough. Only enough to assume there was a major battle there.

[worldly jay]

well we'll need to wait for the next trailer (if it doesn't get leaked of course)

[short dagger]

Hard to really take anything from this perspective of it

[rare acorn]

Did you not keep watching as it goes through the streets of it

[short dagger]

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Like Raptor said, we won’t really know what it looks like until they release a trailer, even then they may still leave it up in the air to maintain the intrigue

[grave yacht]

That’s just a 3D model end piece the same as the other episode ending crawls

[rare acorn]

Hopefully we only gotta wait til next year

[short dagger]

Gonna feel like the longest wait ever, waiting for the show to even be announced felt long enough

[celest urchin]

i fucking new vault tec would had orchestrated the nuclear war

make so much scenes from al the vaults in the games

[little condor]

Wonder if they would've approved of the Enclave's global genocide plan back in F2. Seems like that'd have solved a whole lot of problems for whatever of Vault-Tec remains post-War.

[celest urchin]

the fusion core proofs enclave is in with vault tec

[grave yacht]

Why couldn’t they have done this with lord of the rings

Instead they turned it into the single worst production in the history of television

[short dagger]

I wouldn’t be surprised, hell vault 31 probably aligned with the Enclave’s plans in F2

[celest urchin]

halo to...

[grave yacht]

I haven’t seen halo

And don’t plan on it

[celest urchin]

same

[grave yacht]

The minute I heard that they remove Chief’s helmet it became an instant no-watch for me

[celest urchin]

looks dogshot

[sour plover]

I think I missed it..how does Lee Maldover survive 219 years?

[grave yacht]

And I won’t watch the next season of rings of power either

[short dagger]

It can’t have been worse than Halo, that show is just..

[grave yacht]

Not said but it could be implied she snuck into one of those pods

[sour plover]

That was my guess

[grave yacht]

The whole show I was thinking the macguffin was going to be a GECK

[short dagger]

Hank was so afraid of answering Coop’s question he ran all the way to New Vegas

[grave yacht]

Walton Goggins was excellent in this

Also if this show is considered canon then we finally know who dropped the bombs first

[short dagger]

Coop is for sure my favorite character as of right now

[sturdy bone]

She was a rich scientist who was working on cold fusion pre-war and had all of the companies shes worked for bought out by vault-tec.

She either had her own cryopod, or access from her work place. OR she was somehow with enclave and left and that's how the guy with the glasses knew to give her the pill for fusion

[grave yacht]

Honestly I think you’re correct there sivat

Once you accomplish cold fusion all the other stuff becomes trivial

[little condor]

He'd better hope to Jebus House is dead, 'cause he'll make Hank wish he just answered Cooper's question and got it over with.

[rare acorn]

Anyone bet that in S2 V33 will send an expedition out to another vault for a water chip?

[slow pagoda]

Just finished the episode, is that thing a GECK?!?

[grave yacht]

Surely vault 32 has one no?

[sick verge]

I’m rewatching fallout the ghouls looking for his family but he was with his daughter when the bombs fell. Are they implying he managed to ride to a shelter on a horse and get her inside and they didn’t let him in?

[short dagger]

I thought they were gonna do that as a Vault Dweller reference, but I guess not yet

[sturdy bone]

Yes, he was like divorced from his CEO wife or something by that point

[rare acorn]

Ya but they resettled v32 so it's gonna need to keep it's own

[sick verge]

Yeah but he was on a horse. On a long winding road. No chance he outran the blast

[rare acorn]

Does he look like he outran the blast

[sick verge]

But his daughter

[rare acorn]

What about her

[short dagger]

Clearly he managed to get somewhere since he doesn’t know where his daughter is

[sick verge]

He finishes the series going to look for his family in the vault. Assuming that’s his daughter and wife. But he was with his daughter.

[rare acorn]

Yea maybe whatever vault he took her to has those things we see in fo4 when we first enter the vault, they get rid of the rads or something

Decontamination

[short dagger]

Hank walked the Long 15 just to be received by someone who would/should hate his guts.

[slow pagoda]

So what was an enclave scientist doing with vault tec stuff and cold fusion is the stuff in a geck so does that mean the BOS has a GECK

[sick verge]

Bruh I didn’t realise the overseer is watching the cowboy movie the ghoul was in at at the start of the series. He was a proper fanboy

[sturdy bone]

cold fusion is in a geck what?

[short dagger]

I bet the Chosen One wishes that cold fusion is in a GECK

[rare acorn]

I'm surprised we didn't see a GECK

[slow pagoda]

Cold fusion is used in the geck

[rare acorn]

I figured they'd have a broken geck just in a shop

[potent thorn]

Just finished the series... They went on a pretty wonky direction with the story. Definitely gonna stir up a lot of the Fallout fans

But it kinda' makes sense how House was able to calculate the time of bomb drops to such accuracy.

[little condor]

Yeah, if anything I think House was kinda playing those corpos to be more prepared when the Great War occurred. He's a chessmaster, not a psychopath like most of Vault-Tec.

[potent thorn]

Dude ran a massive Corporate empire... That definitely came with corporate espionage

[short dagger]

Played them like he played his own brother.

[hexed cosmos]

I mean House was the only one to not recomend an expiriment

[potent thorn]

But it also kinda' doesn't make sense how NCR can't defend against a threat like that.

[sturdy bone]

So it's only mentioned in one spot that it's cold fusion and is largely just refered to as having a fusion device in it.

So idk if it's actual cold fusion like what they did in the tv show

[slow pagoda]

If vault tec bought up the company that were researching cold fusion that's a pretty big dig at it being cold fusion

[sour plover]

Remember when his wife saw him spying on the council? In ep 1 they also mentioned coop is doing bday parties to cover his alimony. Implies he’s divorced. Prob lost his vault spot

[sturdy bone]

They bought up -multiple- but Muldy was saying that was more in efforts to stop the war from ending because it was well, over energy as a resource.

[sturdy bone]

how tf did he get stuck with alimony when his wife made bank as vault-tec CEO? normally the higher earner has to pay alimony lmao

This will be the fuckin thing that gets me about the show lmaoo

[little condor]

Wife probably had better lawyers and had more, shall we say, 'pull' with the right people.

[sour plover]

This

[slow pagoda]

Yeah true, but with it being mentioned in the I wonder if it's another some vaults got different versions, cause the one in vault 94 contained a cold fusion generator

[sour plover]

I just started my re-Watch so I’m sure I’ll pick something up along the way

[potent thorn]

How does it makes sense from a capitalistic point of view? Isn't vault-tec basically wasting their customer base by blowing up civilization? I mean, they can still capitalize old work techs (like water purification, chems, and other shit). But blowing up people who needs those things sounds very anti-capitalistic.

[sturdy bone]

iirc most of the gecks didn't even work or something if i remember FO3 correctly

[sturdy bone]

They didn't want to make a capitalistic utopia, they wanted to just have all the power for themselves and to be able to call themselves the winner, prob because enclave started to infiltrate them or something

[slow pagoda]

Ik the one in vault 94 somewhat did, but there were different types with the ones from 2 being just minerals, hardy seeds and that where the version in 3 changed stuff on an atomic level

Iirc

[potent thorn]

So their top employees gets to be overseer in a subpar vault and eat crappy food for the rest of their lives?

[hexed cosmos]

I figure the likely thing is if peace is established then all their profits and influence is gone

[little condor]

Think of it as more corporate neo-feudalism, maybe?

[slow pagoda]

So does this confirm that America dropped the bomb first?

[hexed cosmos]

They'd be completely irrelevant

[sturdy bone]

remember only like 17 vaults were controls with out experiements. They wanted the experiments to just run as experiments

[hexed cosmos]

Not neccesarily. They discussed it but it is possible they didn't do it

[sturdy bone]

Most of their employees did not have a good time lmao

[potent thorn]

I meant, their vault business is done after the nuclear apocalypse... why blow up Shady Sands?

[sour plover]

Want to be annoyed? Read the 1-star reviews for the show on IMDb

[hexed cosmos]

To stop another power from gaining influence in the wasteland and usurping their authority

[short dagger]

Shady Sands was also siphoning water from Vault 33 iirc

[sturdy bone]

SHADY SANDS WAS BLOWN UP BECAUSE THEY STARTED TO ACCESS VAULT 31/32/33 WATER SUPPLY. (all caps for noticability because it's been said a few times)

[blissful notch]

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[little condor]

Wasn't Hank's actions done on his own? You'd think Vault-Tec would've acted sooner to stop the NCR if they were still around beyond cryofrozen execs.

[slow pagoda]

If they had all went in the vault for all we know the ppl left didn't go thru

[sturdy bone]

He was also mad that rose became a roommate with moldova

[sturdy bone]

and by roommates i mean they totally became gay lovers

[potent thorn]

Isn't it easier to close a few pipes than infiltrating a location and chucking nukes?

[short dagger]

[slow pagoda]

ALSO how are ppl saying this show retcons new Vegas, When?!

[sturdy bone]

Idt it was as simple as closing pipes. It was prob a big water tank that they got into somehow

[short dagger]

People can’t read arrows.

[sturdy bone]

Either way they were too close to the vaults and hank didn't want more people like rose to run away because they realized there was civilization out there

I think V32 rioted because they learned what hank did, not because 31 is all cryocucks

[slow pagoda]

Like I legit can't think of anything that is retconed at all

[short dagger]

Could be both to be fair

[sour plover]

Worst part of this show….

[potent thorn]

I don't think the series retconned New Vegas at all... Other than House looking a little younger and less intimidating.

[sour plover]

…is that it’s over 😦

[sturdy bone]

People who have poor flow chart literacy skills think that by showing a bomb right after 2277 fall of shady sands that it was bombed in 2277 like 5 years before NV

That's what the biggest source of "retcons" is coming from

Even though it makes no sense with lucy/max's age

[slow pagoda]

So ppl not being able to understand basic dates

[short dagger]

Yup

[sturdy bone]

OR understanding "the fall of shady sands" is supposed to be like "The fall of rome" vs "the fall of berlin"

[little condor]

What would make a logical year range for the Shady Sands bombing, then?

[slow pagoda]

There's a different between a fall and it exploding

[blissful notch]

where did Hank get a la boomba anyways?

[slow pagoda]

It could just be it went really downhill then boom things got a hellalot worse

[sturdy bone]

81-86. They're like early/mid 20's in 96 and in the flashbacks like 8-10 years old

[bright badge]

Right after NV imo

[blissful notch]

I'd say 82 tbh

[bright badge]

Makes sense since it'd be a string of disasters

[slow pagoda]

I would say around 82/83

[sturdy bone]

A fall is more about the political and economic relevance of shady sands dwindling. 2277 was the first battle of hoover damn and when they got stuck defending the mojavee (not arguing, just adding)

[potent thorn]

I think Hank just used a missile silo like we do in 76.

[bright badge]

Likely

[blissful notch]

Yeah Bud's Buds probably had the same goals as Vault 76

[little condor]

In which case, I'd just split the difference and go 2283-2284. Gives a few years for things to occur in the Mojave and NCR, and also fits neatly between NV and 4's events year-wise.

[blissful notch]

secure missile silos and utilize them in a Vault-Tec mandated way

[slow pagoda]

So it could be all the resources from shady were going towards the defence of the mojavee, perhaps that's why they needed to get water from the vault

[sour plover]

Just to verify, Bud was the mini robo brain?

[blissful notch]

holy shit 76 foreshadowed the Vault-Tec as a bigger bad reveal

[slow pagoda]

Yes and I love him even if he is evil

[sturdy bone]

They just needed the water because they needed the water and where prob drilling cluelessly into the ground looking for it. I dont think they actively sought out the vault for it's water supply

[sour plover]

I always felt vault tec was the biggest “bad” in the series

[sturdy bone]

But other then that, yes

[sour plover]

But just in the past. All those experiments…

[blissful notch]

I said Enclave since I figured they mandated the experiments but now Vault Tec and Enclave basically go hand in hand

[sturdy bone]

FO3 did that by having a vault tec logo on the bomb in megaton lol

[blissful notch]

well it's not a 1:1 logo though

[slow pagoda]

I'm not saying that they were actively searching thru the vault I mean it could be a factor with them drilling more and eventually into the vault (not trying to argue just having a discussion about different things and ideas)

[blissful notch]

So Vault-Tec, Enclave, REPCONN, Big MT, West Tek, all under the same umbrella and the biggest bads in the series

this seems so much more obvious in hindsight but I didn't figure they'd all be in kahoots cause they're competitors

[sturdy bone]

More so, they're all under the same umbrella that is enclave. Enclave was the shadow government from pre-war

[slow pagoda]

I mean profits are profits even if it means working with competitors

[potent thorn]

We know that they all sat together... We probably don't know if all their deals went through

So they knew what was coming, but not about their parts in it.

[blissful notch]

all of them, save for RobCo, showed enthusiasm about experimenting on civilians

[slow pagoda]

So was the tests on immigrants the FEV?

[blissful notch]

and also West Tek obviously went through with it cause multiple vaults have FEV experiments

[bright badge]

House prefers making them gamble

[short dagger]

A real man of culture

[slow pagoda]

I didn't expect all the references to other vaults in the series tbh

[blissful notch]

And also Vault-Tec became a HUGE name in the series so it's safe to assume everyone but RobCo invested

[potent thorn]

Yes, but in exchange of fat stacks of cash and resources. Depending on the amount demanded by Vault-tec, not everyone may stay interested.

[blissful notch]

maybe not REPCONN but we'll have to see

[little condor]

Thought REPCONN got bought up by RobCo.

[slow pagoda]

Also what was that crater next to Vegas at the end?

[blissful notch]

that flashback might have been before RobCo bought them out

[slow pagoda]

And I wonder why Vegas was in such a state in the credits

[blissful notch]

yeah between 2075 and 2076, RobCo bought out RobCo and it's safe to assume the flashback at VTHQ is around 2070-2075

so West Tek and Big MT most likely were the only investors in Vault-Tec

[hexed cosmos]

Ironic considering that Robco probably had the most direct involvement with the Vaults considering the "Lets give every member a pip boy"

[blissful notch]

oh yeah.....

I think that was more of a RobCo selling them pip-boys than investing into Vault-Tec

[potent thorn]

To be honest, I thought one of their major cities blown up would mean a lot more activity from NCR to secure and salvage whatever is left.

[blissful notch]

well it's like 10+ years after the bombing so they probably packed up as much as they could and moved on

[little condor]

Or at least some sense of 'rally round the flag' cohesion beyond Moldaver's crew. It's not as if Hank blew up every major city in the NCR, just its former capital.

[potent thorn]

But moving on means moving on from whatever the threat (Hank) exists that can delete another city of theirs.

[blissful notch]

Hank probably went under the radar tbh

[potent thorn]

Which we see Hank go for in the final scene.

[blissful notch]

like who would expect Vault-Tec to bomb a post-war city

[sturdy bone]

Y'all what do you really expect there to have been in shady sands post vegas when NCR had almost no resources to do jack shit?

[blissful notch]

true

[sturdy bone]

Anything valuable would've been moved to a more defensible position

[blissful notch]

it's also heavily implied Shady Sands is no longer the capital in NV

[potent thorn]

wait really?!

[sturdy bone]

It's literally shown in the show it isn't the capital by the time it bombed because the welcome sign says "the first capital of NCR"

[blissful notch]

Yeah the missionary in GI Blues says "What WAS the original name of the capital of the NCR" not "What IS"

[potent thorn]

Sounds like a good thing that East Coast barely has a civilization, barely any target for Vault-tec nutjobs to light fireworks on

[blissful notch]

Wasn't the Vault 76 overseer meant to use the nukes in the same way Hank did but instead they just decided to secure them?

[bright badge]

Presumably

[potent thorn]

I skipped most of the talky talky stuff in 76. But as far as I remember, No.
You have to pretend to be General in the Enclave to set off the fireworks

[sturdy bone]

why associate hanks actions as an individual with all of vault-tec?

As far as we know, vault-tec doesn't actually exist outside of these middle management guys from V31.

Hank deciding to blow up shady sands was his choice because he was a) defending the vaults water supply b) preventing people in the vault from getting curious about outside like rose did, c) he was mad at his wife for leaving him for a woman

[potent thorn]

Your Justice League Vault-tec membership card ain't gonna work on that.

[little condor]

Though that does beg the question of where exactly Hank got ahold of that nuke, and if there's a whole supply of them lying around somewhere. Though if that was the case, you'd think he'd have bombed every major city in the NCR just to be absolutely certain.

[sturdy bone]

Vault-tecs biggest weapon was -time- hank didn't really care about what was going on right then and there with NCR because they still had like 30/40 years in the vault before their own reclemation day

[little condor]

After all, if he bombed Shady Sands, and the NCR didn't fall apart, he'd have every dang Ranger tearing apart the Core Region to find him.

[blissful notch]

I hope in Season 2 it's elaborated on how Moldaver survived the war cause she is obviously not one of Bud's Buds

[potent thorn]

Probably because the show implies that Vault-tec encouraged at least some of the nuclear annihilation in American soil.

[sturdy bone]

What rangers? NCR was already collapsing in socal because of the failed movajee front.

[blissful notch]

Maybe he's traversing to the nearest nukes he knows of at the end of Season 1?

[sturdy bone]

That has always been implied by the games tho, it being in the show doesn't change anything.

But either way, hank at the end didn't say he was doing it for vault-tec, he said he was doing it to keep lucy safe

[blissful notch]

Maybe we'll end up seeing the Divide again

[little condor]

The Divide? Good luck getting past the Marked Men and Tunnelers at the very least, and that's if Hank is lucky and Ulysses is dead by 2296.

[sturdy bone]

Also, again, Hank could have easily gotten enough nuclear material to make a dirty bomb with how much shit was left in cars and everything else

[potent thorn]

According to House, losing New Vegas won't collapse NCR. It will cause them setbacks for all the loss in Hoover dam and overexpansion.

But eventually, people will come back to New Vegas and casinos will start rolling the dice again.

[blissful notch]

I've not done Lonesome Road just yet, are there endings where Ulysses lives and the nukes aren't launched?

[short dagger]

He’s practically sitting on them when you get to him.

[little condor]

Yep, though it's unclear whether stopping the nukes detonates them without causing nuclear explosions, or if it just puts the Divide's nuclear stockpile back on standby.

[blissful notch]

Hm.. maybe we'll get an answer in Season 2

[sturdy bone]

NCR was talking about how they need Hoover dam and Helios 1 to supply more power back to socal to help ensure it's hold on the region.

and... I this is def where im gonna go play some games, but I have never once said NCR had fully collapsed. Just that they pulled back into central/norcal.

[blissful notch]

Cause it does seem likely Hank is going to the nearest nuclear site to finish the job in LA

[crimson anchor]

Idiots are going ballistic over another “muh Bethesda” thing

It’s as if they couldn’t tell from the show that the base is in the Rocky Mountains

[blissful notch]

these are the same guys talking about how the Enclave could return from Chicago

just such negative nancies

[little condor]

Though I'm not sure if hypothetically going to the Divide for S2 would be too much of a difficulty spike for someone like Lucy. It'd be like asking a player in NV who's at level 5 to traverse Lonesome Road from start to finish.

[blissful notch]

we've all done it once

[potent thorn]

Enclave is supposed to be a massive factions with many strongholds. They were basically the inner circle of US government ffs. They ain't gonna snuggle up in one oil rig.

[blissful notch]

I mean except me cause NV gets unstable and crashes before I get to lonesome road on all my runs but... shut up

[blissful notch]

yeah and it is blatantly obvious they're laying low right now too

[little condor]

It would help if we knew where the Enclave base Wilzig escaped from is located.

[potent thorn]

It's a season 2 thing now (hopefully)

[blissful notch]

Shit there's a few vaults in Canada as seen on the Vault Tec map in that flashback so those could be Enclave hole-ups

[hexed cosmos]

Looks to be more of a research base than a military one

[blissful notch]

yeah that explains a lack of power armor

[potent thorn]

There's no Canada in Fallout universe... It's all USA now.

United States of Ayyyy's...

[blissful notch]

USA USA 🇺🇸 🦅

[short dagger]

USA USA USA USA 🦅🦅🦅

[potent thorn]

Canada is a dirty propaganda made by Communists

Footage of US army dealing with North USA communists

[short dagger]

I guess it’s finally time to finish my current NV playthrough

[blissful notch]

man I sure wonder who the guy on the left is

[potent thorn]

Someone who believes in Democracy. That's all you need to know.

[short dagger]

A true American patriot.

[blissful notch]

I wonder if he thinks war changes

[short dagger]

War?

War never changes.

[blissful notch]

I wonder why they said it twice in the same episode tbh

[potent thorn]

Btw, the revelation of Vault-tec being a warmonger kinda' changes the perspective of those who are gonna watch the series first and then play fallout games.

[potent thorn]

Probably because Ron Perlman was not available, and someone else saying it once simply doesn't the same weight.

[short dagger]

My friend is going through this right now, he sent me a text saying he was gonna start playing the games cause of the show

[blissful notch]

Also cool how it connects Cooper and his wife

[short dagger]

Hopefully he finally understands why I have 1300 hours on New Vegas soon.

[potent thorn]

I'm not sure if I like this new perspective for a Fallout newcomer.

Just my personal opinion though. Someone else might find it more appealing.

[short dagger]

Elaborate

Not looking to attack you or anything, just genuinely curious as to what you mean.

[blissful notch]

I agree the show should definitely be watched after playing all of the mainline games in release order

well not release order but yk

[sturdy bone]

I kinda think it's the perfect one because so many people don't actually pick up on the subtly in the games itself

[potent thorn]

Nothing much to elaborate. Just personal preference. I never thought of Vault-tec as a benevolent company. In fact, all of the mentioned companies in Fallout universe had something shady. Nuka Cola products being radioactive, Robobrains made of convicts etc. Even vault-tec with their experiments.
But none were as much of negative karma as Vault-tec in the series to actually accelerate the nuclear war or maybe chuck a load of bombs on American soil. A very undemocractic thing.

Revealing this from the get-go kinda' changes the chronology of how one discovers dark secrets of the world of Fallout.

[short dagger]

I can understand that

[potent thorn]

Like, you start with the impression of Vault-tec being the decent guys in Fallout 3 until you find someone named Gary... and a bunch of other guys named Gary.

[short dagger]

Gary’s a pretty cool dude.

[potent thorn]

As far as I remember, you learn from Ms. Petrovita that Quantums can make your pee glow.

[short dagger]

What quest is that from?

I didn’t do much of 3’s side content.

[potent thorn]

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The_Nuka-Cola_Challenge
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Grady's_Package

[potent thorn]

I personally prefer going 3, NV, 4, 76... and doing 1 and 2 sometime around if you like that genre of games.

[rare acorn]

Good games all

[blissful notch]

ngl I'm kind of surprised how sexual the show got

[hexed cosmos]

Vault dwellers casually banging out of boredom feels like the most accurate thing ever

[blissful notch]

yeah no the cousin stuff makes sense, hell I'm surprised it isn't talked about more

[potent thorn]

Considering how much sex mods there are in ALL of the Fallout games, I thought this was very considerate of Bethesda to include at least some sex in the series.

[hexed cosmos]

Fallout Prime makes me reconsider which Chet in Fallout I hate more

[blissful notch]

not just sex scenes, we had a BOS member blatantly cranking one out in the barracks and nudity

[hexed cosmos]

know we know why Titus wanted his piece cleaned

[potent thorn]

Well... Roaming the wasteland is a stressful life.

[hexed cosmos]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/539162a1b887f6dcda98b8762f7d98bd/tumblr_msxwk4vovK1sdex9fo1_500.jpg
Now this makes sense

[blissful notch]

you think this was pre or post apocalypse

[short dagger]

Some guy in 2146 going crazy on a fan.

[hexed cosmos]

Actually isnt this in the Brotherhood of Steel Citadel after you bomb it in Broken Steel?

[potent thorn]

I can talk about more cousin stuff.

[short dagger]

You have experience?

[blissful notch]

BRO WAS GOING CRAZY ON A FAN AND GOT VAPORIZED

[potent thorn]

@short dagger there are plenty of educational films, documentaries etc. But that's off topic.

[hexed cosmos]

Now Im reminded of the masterbaiting man found in Pompeii

[potent thorn]

you remember where it was?

[hexed cosmos]

here

Actually Im dissapointed the show never used VATS

[short dagger]

Idk, Lucy was pretty accurate shooting those roaches

[potent thorn]

Thanks to Walton, I'm trying to find a way to use the term "Ass jerky" in a normal conversation.

[short dagger]

I’m… not interested.

Been too deep in the south to process any more of that..

[potent thorn]

Then stay away from certain country (don't know if mentioning the name will get me banned or not) that widely practices this. Far more than American south probably ever did.

[blissful notch]

I'm grateful ngl

[rare acorn]

Wonder if VATS will just be a game thing

[blissful notch]

it'd be way to convoluted to explain and it's better to keep it as a gameplay mechanic

[potent thorn]

Btw, I REALLY REALLY HOPE.... we get to see Mysterious stranger in Season 2.

[blissful notch]

Maybe canonize it as a pip-boy attached heads up display that goes over your eye or interfaces with power armor

[hexed cosmos]

I mean the Pip Boys directly interface the wearer's vitals and body. Would it be so out of place that it can do a little back?

[potent thorn]

Maybe you point your gun and just moment your aim happens to be on the target's body part the pip boy sends an electric pulse to your finger to contract the muscle so you pull the trigger?

[sturdy bone]

This you?

[blissful notch]

he looks like he's about to cry

[hexed cosmos]

I would too after writing that episode

[sturdy bone]

Time to shoe in another community reference

[hexed cosmos]

"Whats your spermcount?"

[potent thorn]

where's the last one?

[sturdy bone]

That is it lol

https://youtu.be/rShi7_za-qQ?si=tqUSi-uL2Y3-Nn-8&t=75

[potent thorn]

Shoe in "another" community reference.
I thought you already posted another meme

[sturdy bone]

that first screenshot of the incest thign is community too lol

that was the first

[potent thorn]

I practically memorized the dialogs in this scene.
The reenactment in youtube was awesome.
Pedro Pascal couldn't stop laughing.

I still don't know why it was Pedro instead of Walton though.

[short dagger]

How was Monty even supposed to answer that lol, he was just trying to eat some cake

[whole drum]

oh my god, i finally watched all the episodes

[whole drum]

she gave a valid reason for an answer

she said something about checkups telling you all your information

so he should know

if he was in a vault

I love the references in thsi episode though

101097

[rare acorn]

Ya lots of references someone told me the scene where Lucy n her dad and moldover are standing in that room over looking LA it's the same thing basically as the fo1 backdrop on the intro with the tv commercials on the destroyed room overlooking LA

[whole drum]

so according to the ending, ||new vegas|| is supposedly to be in season 2... I wonder what ending itd fall under? In the credits it looked a bit destroyed.

like there was a massive chunk in the wall

[sturdy bone]

if they stay true to their word about not canonizing endings then we won't ever really find out

Which I can acutally see happening for NV pretty easily tbh

No need to talk about anything in 2281 because it's 15 years in the past and not super relevant to the year the show is set in

[bright badge]

Presumably the region destabilised due to the second battle

[whole drum]

15 years is a long time

[bright badge]

Which is a handy way of keeping everything canon without specifying

[whole drum]

so anything couldve happened

[sturdy bone]

I really think hoover dam was blown up and that fucked vegas up with no power which lead to the securitons being able to get demolished easier

[rare acorn]

Well if House is alive

[whole drum]

maybe theyll add another ending, that only the show shows

the secret 5th ending

[bright badge]

That'd be bullshit

[rare acorn]

Actually wait you can keep house alive and still take over Vegas from him can't you

[whole drum]

we can pretend its cut content.

[short dagger]

I don’t think that would turn out very well, would seem like an asspull

[bright badge]

They're not gonna make up or canonise endings

[whole drum]

well i dont see any other way around it

[rare acorn]

Wonder if we'll see the boomers

[bright badge]

Why's it even relevant though

[blissful notch]

I can see them keeping the ending vague

[bright badge]

"hey these guys won this battle not relevant to us"

[short dagger]

I can’t see any faction blowing up hoover dam, simply too valuable of a location

[whole drum]

you cant show an already existing place with multiple lore variations based around it, and not either canonize something, or make something up.

[bright badge]

You can though

[whole drum]

name a way

[sturdy bone]

Legion could easily do it just as a fuck you before leaving

[rare acorn]

It's probably 100% not legion ending tho based on the shows events

[blissful notch]

Would be fucking hilarious if they canonize the most niche ending, the Dead Money ending, as the canonical ending to Vegas lol

So many people would be pissed off

[bright badge]

Did you play fallout 2

[whole drum]

yes

[bright badge]

That's how

[rare acorn]

That's cut content pretty sure

[whole drum]

i dont get it

[bright badge]

Nope, you need negative ncr rep and you can join elijah

[blissful notch]

Nope, you can get it if you have negative rep with the NCR while talking to Elijah in the vault

[whole drum]

you just said if i played a game or not

[rare acorn]

You sure it's not a mod you had?

[blissful notch]

how tf am I gonna mod my 360 dude

[bright badge]

Literally how fallout 2 dealt with 2, don't mention stuff that isn't relevant

[bright badge]

It's an ending.

[rare acorn]

Oh ya on console then

[whole drum]

yes and its kinda hard to mention something not relevant when its literally revolving around the relevant things

[rare acorn]

I hope we see the Sierra Madre in s2

[bright badge]

How is who won the battle relevant if the city is abandoned

[blissful notch]

I am just PRAYING they bring Wayne Newton in to be Mr New Vegas again

[whole drum]

because it showed the aftermath

there will be signs on who won

[rare acorn]

Would be cool if they asked Tim Cain for advice on S2 or to consult on certain ideas

[hexed cosmos]

I just really hope "Hollywood Sponsored by Nuka Cola" means some Nuka World content

[blissful notch]

also it's more likely we see the Divide cause I think Hank is heading to the nearest nuke silo to finish the job on the BOS and NCR

[bright badge]

They did iirc

Todd invited him to the premiere

[rare acorn]

Ya he and John Nolan talked a bunch he said

[whole drum]

something i didnt like in episode 8, is how they straight up confirmed that vault tec launched the nukes

[bright badge]

They didn't confirm that

It's just corps entertaining the idea of it

[blissful notch]

it's not confirmed Vault Tec shot first, just that they MAY have fired off a few of their own

[bright badge]

Which we know from earlier games they did

[whole drum]

which eludes to them launching it

[short dagger]

[sturdy bone]

He'd have to know where they are in order to nuke them.

I think he's going to try and find the actual vault-tec execs and not just the middle management drones like him and the rest of v31 are

[bright badge]

They didn't begin the war, they added to the destruction

[whole drum]

not to mention, they also "entertained" the ideas of vaults that literally existed

[rare acorn]

The games tell us China launched first, that doesn't mean vault tec can't have been the ones to make them launch nukes through some kind of trickery or something

[whole drum]

so its not that much of a stretch to say they literally meant what they said

[bright badge]

Doubt it

[blissful notch]

they'd be in Vegas?

[bright badge]

The war was inevitable,VT didn't need to do anything

[whole drum]

its hard to argue the fact that since they literally "entertained" the ideas of experiments that actually happened, they in the same conversation, "entertained" the idea of launching the bombs first.

[blissful notch]

VT might have accelerated it via lobbying the US gov though

[bright badge]

^

[little condor]

Would be weird for the VT execs to be in Vegas considering House's presence there. Kinda seems like a major risk from their POV to entrust their safety to House.

[rare acorn]

Maybe that's what's in the blocked off sections of 21

[bright badge]

They're not gonna be in Vegas, elsewhere but not Vegas

[bright badge]

What's there is solid concrete

[rare acorn]

Maybe

[bright badge]

Not maybe, like definite

It's solid concrete

[sturdy bone]

Idk maybe somewhere in the area

[short dagger]

You can see the hallways filled in with concrete lol

[rare acorn]

The entrances ya but who knows how deep it's filled in

[bright badge]

Completely

[blissful notch]

Yeah no House filled Vault 21 with Concrete and said "get fucked posers"

[bright badge]

You don't hide people behind concrete, he isn't the count of monte cristo

[bright badge]

All cause he got paranoid they'd tunnel through to his stuff lmao

[blissful notch]

To be fair if the vault wanted to expand and didn't know House had all that advanced stuff it was bound to happen

I'm not saying House is justified, just that he was right

[little condor]

Though wherever they could be, if any of them beyond Coop's wife are still around, it'd be delightfully ironic for them to be taken out by a nuclear explosion of some kind?

[blissful notch]

What happened to Coop's kid anyways?

[rare acorn]

That's a s2.plot point

[blissful notch]

Did he get her to a vault and the mother was like "Fuck you Cooper." and left him to get ghouly

WAIT NO ITS MOLDAVER RELATED

Or maybe not idk

[rare acorn]

I bet his wife is the big wig of vault tec now

[blissful notch]

the cryogenics stuff really threw me off

[rare acorn]

In whatever management vault they're in

[blissful notch]

specifically with Moldaver considering she had no means of being put in a freezer

she was very anti-gov and anti-corp

[rare acorn]

Was v4 in fo2

Or is that new to the show

[blissful notch]

That's new

[short dagger]

Vault 4 was very FO2-like to me, I enjoyed the last part of it

[bright badge]

I assume its not good

[blissful notch]

yeah it was very spooky but very comedic

Everything about this first season just screamed Fallout

[short dagger]

Yeah, people were clowning Lucy’s dialogue when they dropped the preview but

That’s almost how a speech player talks

[blissful notch]

That was patented Vault-Tec Negotiations™️

[short dagger]

Man I wonder why the Vault Dweller is talking like she’s reading from a conflict deescalation script..

[blissful notch]

Vault-Tec totally had conflict resolution "training" in the school curriculum

I'm just wondering when Lucy's gonna get her first proper HUMAN kill

[sturdy bone]

She was a rich ass sicentist pre-war who had every company she worked at bought up by vault tec for cold fusion research.

She had the money for her own private bunker/cryopod by the sounds of it.

That or she got frozen by enclave, got reanimated, met the dude with glasses from the first ep and ran away which would explain why the dude even knew who she was and why she should get cold fusion

[blissful notch]

ooooh

Moldaver being a deserter of the Enclave would be pretty neat

[sour plover]

I love all of the different effects they did to the logo in the beginning of each episode

[short dagger]

Season 2 trust

[small linden]

It's already confirmed she was in vault-tec - and if I'm not mistaken she wasn't present for the "let's nuke ourselves" convo, could she be one of those literal shadowy figures in the back that we see during that scene? I mean those guys are definitely Enclave right? Like nobody saw that and thought "this could be anyone other than the Enclave" yeah?

[sturdy bone]

It was never confirmed. She was out spoken about vault tec and had every company she worked for bought by them and see saw it as them trying to stop cold fusion to keep the energy crisis ongoing

[tame briar]

I am confused about her being in past timeline.

I guess should could have purchased vault residence and escaped?

[quartz pendant]

i am glad this show gives vault boy lore

[warm ermine]

Being in a vault doesn’t explain her being over 200 years old so she had to somehow have gotten cryo

[tame briar]

Yes that too.

[quartz pendant]

doesnt it imply that? that her mom/dad did were cryo'd, and so was she?

but i also thought mom was cryo'd preggers, then she was born in the vault, then taken to the NCR City (which is why she remembers the sun)

[warm ermine]

What

[tame briar]

So she is a daughter?

[warm ermine]

I’m talking about moledaver

[tame briar]

Yeah, is she the daughter of the lady in the past timeline that gives Coop the spyware?

[warm ermine]

No it’s the same woman

Or it’s specifically implied she is

[tame briar]

So the show explains that she is cryo'ed?

[warm ermine]

It doesn’t

[tame briar]

Oh ok

[warm ermine]

She also has a cult of people worshiping her in vault 4

[tame briar]

Oh yeah. What was up with that?

[short dagger]

They were Shady Sands refugees weren’t they?

[tame briar]

Yeah so she was important in Shady Sands! And that's where she befriended Rose!

Still doesn't explain how she got to that time period though.

[sinful canyon]

NV szn 2

[tame briar]

There could be a 111-like vault around there but I want some kind of explanation, seeing as she is dead now.

[sinful canyon]

LETS GOOO

Mr house!!

appearently he was at the table in robco meeting?

The speculations I've seen currently is either the House ending is canon to the main story or that season 2 will basically retcon New Vegas and have a similar story to New Vegas

[tame briar]

I hope the writers aren't pigeon holed into the latter if they were able to write S1.

[regal carbon]

it was House, Frederick Sinclair for big mt, Julia Masters for repconn, and Leon Von Felden for west tek

both Julia and Leon were mentioned only characters in the games

also same with Sinclair tho his corpse was seen

[tame briar]

Literally God, do you have an explanation for Moldaver existing in the present time?

[regal carbon]

cryosleep

or she is some fucking eldritch being

[tame briar]

Implied though, not explained by the show?

[regal carbon]

dont think it is explained

[tame briar]

Dammit that's one loose end I want tied and she's dead so it likely won't be.

[rare acorn]

Wait, in episode 2 the ghoul eats those tomatoes and talks about loving them but in the episode "The ghouls" he asks the guy going feral if he remembers the tastes of food

[warm ermine]

well he was turning feral, trying to get him to hold onto stuff

maybe they can kind of taste but not really

[rare acorn]

Yea maybe probably

Probably have shitty taste buds after hundreds of years

[warm ermine]

most likely

[rare acorn]

And tomatoes are very tart so maybe can still taste them easily

[warm ermine]

can probably taste something

[tame briar]

He'd have shared them, but the guy had a hole in his throat.

[rare acorn]

So now that vault tec is probably canon for the war trigger I wonder if that nuke in megaton that we always argued about having a VT symbol will be retroactively canonized as a VT bomb

[regal carbon]

vault likely didnt drop the bombs directly

just messed up the ongoing peace talks

[tame briar]

I got the impression that they had control of the timing.

[meager swallow]

We know for a fact China launched first

[tame briar]

They would need to know the timing to get all the execs into a vault in time, right?

[small linden]

No It's definitely confirmed, she was frozen in Vault 31.

[tame briar]

When was it confirmed?

[rare acorn]

It also just makes sense, they were losing the war, why would America start nuking if they're winning

[tame briar]

People have pointed out that she was not on the list, but it could have not been the whole list, or she could have been in as someone else; she's obviously clever.

[blissful notch]

Y'all think Season 2 might be a weekly release instead of all at once like it was with Season 1?

[rare acorn]

Probably

[sturdy bone]

No it definitely wasn't lmao

[small linden]

I'm pretty positive it was - how else would she be alive after all this time and how else would she KNOW Lucy's mother?

[sturdy bone]

Holy shit you didn't watch the show at all did you.

She knows her mother because her mother ran to shady sands after realizing that society had returned when shady sands accidentally tapped into the vaults water supply syphoning some off

Like it's literally the last episode where that's all explained

[small linden]

I did there's no need to be so hostile jackass

[tame briar]

Agreed no need to be hostile about it but they are right.

[sturdy bone]

Moldova hated vault tec why would she be in a vault that only carried middle management.

[tame briar]

To survive and do something about* them later?

[sturdy bone]

She was a pre war scientist who had every company she worked for bought by vaulttec to slow down could fusion.

She was wealthy as per coopers jab at the communist meeting

[rare acorn]

Faking it maybe

[tame briar]

So she bought a spot in a vault that just happened to be a cryo-vault?

[sturdy bone]

She either had her own hideaway, she got one from another compay she worked for or she was frozen with enclave and ran away

[sturdy bone]

She could of had her own bunker with own cryopod or something.

Point is she was relatively well connected with money prewar

[tame briar]

Good point. It is established that she is a brilliant scientist and could have just worked her own strategy out*.

[sturdy bone]

If she was with 31 everyone would've recognized her sooner. There was 3 v31 dwellers awake at the time of the raid

Only Hank recognized her because his ex essentially ran away and became her roommate🏳️‍🌈

[tame briar]

So he blew the place up.

[blissful notch]

and they were roommates

[tame briar]

So it is implied that she had the means to make it to the present but how is not explained.

I guess that's fine.

[sturdy bone]

He blew up shady sands because they tapped into the vaults water supply but it's def more fun to say it's because his ex ran away to a women which really says a lot about how shitty he was

[tame briar]

But they didn't know they were tapping into a vault supply, right?

[sturdy bone]

As far as we know, nope

[brazen cradle]

Hey, just joined the discord and finished the show (and am an avid fan of the games) How does everyone feel about the Brotherhood having cold fusion now? And what do you think the plans are for New Vegas?

[tame briar]

I wonder how Moldaver got into 32.

[small linden]

opening the door from the outside using lucy mother pip boy

[tame briar]

That's right!

[small linden]

pipboy 3000 strong af, can survive a nuclear blast

[tame briar]

Well she became a ghoul apparantly.

[glass hill]

Is it just me or does the finale have a lot of CGI problems?

[small linden]

the pipboy still working

[brazen cradle]

I'll give it pass since the games are so buggy

[small linden]

i dont see em

[glass hill]

Idk what happened but the cgi just suddenly turned bad in the final episode lol

[warm ermine]

they did hank dirty

[small linden]

which part

[bright badge]

Probably budget issues

Fallout needs more CG than you think

[glass hill]

Hank’s deaging and the background of the room Lucy is in the observatory

[bright badge]

De-aging never works

[small linden]

it just works

[bright badge]

Like never, it always looks terrible

[glass hill]

Yeah I’ve never understood how studios praise how good the tech is lol. It isn’t fooling anyone

[brazen cradle]

I didn't think it looked too bad. Didn't take me away from anything

[bright badge]

Because it doesn't make the actor move any younger

It's an illusion that doesn't work when the actor moves or talks like someone much older than they're supposed to be

[glass hill]

I think it’s more because of the very cgi feel of it. It’s hard to describe but most CGI looks CGI. If you’re trying to do a deaging, it still looks like CGI

Something to do with the lighting or textures or something

[bright badge]

Cause most studios order a rush job on it tbh

[glass hill]

That’s true

[bright badge]

CGI can be done well, like terminator 2 still holds up. You just can't make it do miracles

De-aging is something it can't do, just get a look a like

[brazen cradle]

So, what do y'all think Hank is going to do in New Vegas?

[bright badge]

Gamble

[glass hill]

Is Mr house still alive?

That’s what I want to know

[normal crater]

It would have been a waste to hire someone that looks like mr house just to kill him off in the next season

[brazen cradle]

I highly doubt it. The show takes place after the game. But that depends on what's canon I guess

[glass hill]

Idk what canon ending they’re going with

[warm ermine]

I don't think it would be a total waste but they might as well use him

[normal crater]

the show is 150 mil

And it looked like it costs more lol

The prop and set probably cost a shit ton of money

[glass hill]

Meanwhile secret invasion cost twice that lol

[brazen cradle]

They've been showing us the NCR, I wonder if they took the dam?

I highly doubt theyll go with the Yes Man ending

[bright badge]

Because disney throw money at things until it turns a profit

[normal crater]

probably took the dam but failed to hold it

[glass hill]

It’s so absurd lmao

[brazen cradle]

I wonder with how prevalent the BoS is, if they came to help their bunker brothers reclaim it

[bright badge]

It's why I'm glad amazon got the rights, Disney would've announced a goggins spin off, a spin off for a random side character and a movie about Mr House's moustache

[tame briar]

I thought the younger Hank was fine.

[glass hill]

I think Amazon spent the budget very well

[bright badge]

Cause they invested in practical props and sets

So they can be reused. As opposed to cgi which doesn't return it's investment

Like the Power armours if fully cgi would've ballooned the budget

[brazen cradle]

I was very glad to see how much care went into the sets

[normal crater]

Disney budget spending is insane in recent years. I don't know how they could keep the lights running with these ridiculous overspending on mostly mediocre projects

[jade hazel]

Show looked great

[glass hill]

Absolutely. Good shows mix in the perfect balance of cgi and practical effects/props

[bright badge]

Toy sales exclusively

They're in the merchandising business not the movie one

[tame briar]

I thought they did a great job with the aesthetic and the writing. Exceeded my expectations on all fronts.

[brazen cradle]

If the show takes place in 2296 and FO4 was in 2287, could Maxson still be Elder? The show sure did love showing off the Prydwen

[bright badge]

Yes if he's alive

[brazen cradle]

I guess it all depends on what ending they finally decide is canon

[normal crater]

I think he could be still in the east and just decided to lend the west bos their Prydwen

They had a strong presence in the east, having their leader going to west wouldn't be good optic

[brazen cradle]

Makes me wonder if the show will take us Eastward at some point (if they decide to keep making this a running series)

[normal crater]

As we can see that the cross-country travel is dangerous, people really don't want to do it

[tame briar]

Do we know how The Ghoul knew to stake out Ma's shop in Filly?

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He's Fallout's John Wick

Nah fr though he's been bounty hunting two centuries, I suppose he's just familiar with where people would go

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Yeah maybe some info on the people that dug him up.

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Guy's the gigachad protagonist player character, I think his tracking skills were probably so good at this point

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He leveled perception up

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Seriously, that guy is probably what most of our mainline protagonists will end up if they managed to keep going that long

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lol fair point

2000+ hours

no VATS without a pip boy tho, right?

or are they unrelated?

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Except for Fallout 1 and 4, all player characters are wasteland-born and probably has FEV inside their genes, there's a high chance they could turn a ghoul after exposing to radiation that long

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I don't think VATS is a real thing in the show lol

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Yeah I know its just that Filly ghoul scene the ghoul is insane.