15th engineers is a joke for 1st April, or?

[tawdry pecan]

Revision

The card does at its best:
+5 credit
+25 atk in frontline
+20 in support line
permanently!!!and it does not matter if it are your own or opponents units in frontline
for 5K, unit

some ideas:
a) not permantly then:
-the unit must be present (or not suppressed)
-it is too low in costs.
-should work only if opponent is in front
or
-only for your frontline units.
-or limited to max 3 atk/K)

However, this is not a miracle card.

But I can remember your explanations about commando decks or 2nd front. about frustrations.

I have had no problems with both decks and was happy when they appeared in game, as the win was 80%.

What do you think are looking at the faces with common or new players?

and for all the "skill issue" lowies... I have no problem to handle it, but I think it needs a rework

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[tawdry pecan]

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[tawdry pecan]

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[tawdry pecan]

!15th engineers

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[tawdry pecan]

ah sorry I can not delete the messages 😉

[tepid wagon]

Are you joking

[obtuse parcel]

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[hollow vine]

This is a very powerful card, I'm not against a nerf, but it also isn't a magic win button. You still need to get a bunch of stuff into the frontline first.

[tepid wagon]

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[waxen olive]

are we being fr

[arctic oasis]

15th engineers is fine no need for nerf

[tawdry pecan]

THE BIGGEST JOKE: it works also with opponents units in front....what a FARCE!!!!

[tawdry pecan]

you can have 2 of it.... with costs of 5. it is absolutely a "magic win button"... you will see... in some days there a a lot of different decks with this

[tawdry pecan]

high IQ with posting low minded gifs... wtf

[tawdry pecan]

discussion thread, not a "who copies the most stupid pics/gifs from web - content"

[tepid wagon]

Dude

The card just came out

Your acting as if it’s as bad as when buffs came out

And what your suggesting would kill the kard for usfl

And usfl finally become viable this update due to these new kards

[tawdry pecan]

cant you read?? this works with almost EVERY deck!!!

as it works also with opponents unit in front

[tepid wagon]

Just because your having a hard time doesn’t mean you need to nerf it to the ground

[tawdry pecan]

ALSO ... it buffs your support line bombers or artillery

I am 5 years in the game...and this dude says, this will be the first nerf!!!

[tepid wagon]

Go ask main chat too

Most of them would tell you the same thing

[tawdry pecan]

2nd front ..was a nerf too... first one. how long, tell me??? and it was not really a problem. it was to handle. so I dont care your "main chat"

[tepid wagon]

Second front was a big problem

[tawdry pecan]

for player like you?

[tepid wagon]

You didn’t see me make a suggestion thread for a nerf immediately though

[tepid wagon]

Yea

[tawdry pecan]

not for me. like commandos. easy to handle.

[tepid wagon]

Yea that’s because all you gotta do with commandos is play orders

[tawdry pecan]

easy: kill opponent before turn 7 or 8 or 9.... or have some good counter measure (2ndfront)... easy,

2nd front worked only in one deck. 15th engineers works fataly in almost EVERY deck!

however, you can buff your support line bombers and artis with opponents units in front...is-> a joke

[tepid wagon]

Yea it’s an anti agro tool also

[tawdry pecan]

NO it buffs aggro decks TOO!!!

[tepid wagon]

It’s meant to punish the opponent for pushing to far

[amber timber]

The 15th engineers are anti aggro?

[tawdry pecan]

no

[tawdry pecan]

no

[tepid wagon]

It’s can be used to punish agro decks

[tawdry pecan]

or buffed your aggro decks

[tepid wagon]

Aswell as buff your own agro deck

[amber timber]

Never seemed to happen to me :P

How much is the 15th Engineers?

[tepid wagon]

!15th engineers

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[tawdry pecan]

wow, some arguments and you change your mind?

[amber timber]

5K not viable for me

[tepid wagon]

What are you talking about

[tawdry pecan]

proof

[tepid wagon]

Would you say that this is viable in every deck

[amber timber]

Aside from the extra kredit slots unless you're fighting a ramp I really don't see the issue with fighting a 15th engineers

[amber timber]

Nope

Def not

[tepid wagon]

This was always my opinion

[tepid wagon]

@tawdry pecan

[amber timber]

Especially for some aggro decks that 5K could be used elsewhere imo

[tepid wagon]

This person dosnt see this as viable in every deck

[amber timber]

Especially since some other cards are cheaper and even reduce op cost

[tawdry pecan]

you said is is meant anti aggro. now you changed to: anti aggro and buffs aggro..looooooooool

[amber timber]

Like %Blitz%

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[tepid wagon]

Maybe it’s all a matter of opinion don’t you think

[amber timber]

Pluh

%blitzkrieg%

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[tepid wagon]

Yea you can use it for both

[amber timber]

Which is much better in aggro decks :P compared to the uhh 15th imo

[tepid wagon]

That dosnt mean I automatically just changed my mind

[tawdry pecan]

this were my words. before yours were: anti aggro ... so come on , take some own reflections

[amber timber]

This is true :P

[tawdry pecan]

no is not. as engineer were buffed by opponents units too. and buffs also the support line. and gives kredits AND is permanent buff

[tepid wagon]

Fine I agree to disagree

But that dosnt mean you should nerf it to make the units that get the buff get 8+ operation costs

[tawdry pecan]

8 costs is fine what it does

and you can have 2 of it in deck

[tepid wagon]

That would kill the kard

[tawdry pecan]

no, would not. common use

[tepid wagon]

But fine dude

[tawdry pecan]

How long are you in this game?

However, we will see.. this card will be get a nerv

[amber timber]

Yes, but for the buffs your other units would have to be alive...

And if the enemy is controlling the FL at t2 - t4

Any or most of your guards would be dead as soon as they deploy

Or worse your HQ gets fcked up to extremely danger levels of low, then you get hit with two %mito% in a row

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[tawdry pecan]

mito needs turn 4K to move to front. ONE single unit. and it is more used to use th destruction effect

so you can not see the problem, that it buffs ALL your units? in front and support line? or in support line if the opponent is in front??? this is big joke.

[amber timber]

Yes and assuming you pushed the jaggro back means your in the high K turns

Which means it is possible to get two Mitos in a row

[tawdry pecan]

and??? what does it mean? you can buff now your mitos. also the opponent can buff his def or attack units in support line with this 15th engineers

[amber timber]

Frankly imo, this 15th Engineers in the foreseeable future isn't gonna be that much of a problem

5K to essentially boost aggro decks is still expensive, so I doubt any jaggro would actually bring it

So I don't really see the issue :P

[serene cipher]

If you have a full frontline stuff like blitzkreig will kill the enemy for cheaper
If you want just pure stats to stick on board something like Big Three scales up Health which is way stronger
Both are cheaper then Engineers which makes them better suited in aggro decks

The suggested nerfs are so harsh you might as well delete the card entirely also
It seems fairly doubtful that 15th has made enough impact to actually warrant a nerf though

[amber timber]

This tbh

[serene cipher]

Other much stronger cards like buffs and 106th need actual nerfs
15th Engineers is probably just a nice tool to give US frontline some lethality if they aren't doing Big Three (or something like blitzkrieg)

[obtuse parcel]

Bros a witch 2.0 frfr

[twilit meteor]

Skill issue lmfao

If you build a good aggro deck you can choke opp by turn 4

Ensuring 15th Engi is not an option

Git gud lol

[sour summit]

The card really is broken but won't turn a game around

[tawdry pecan]

lol are you kidding me??? you little skill issue??? if it would be like you lie about, every one would play a "kill in turn 4 aggro deck". but does not. so tell me why? because your knowledge issue? you phantast about times 3 years ago, where it was possible. btw. a good aggro deck kills in turn 3... you little skill issue.

[tawdry pecan]

like noted, it works with EVERY deck... not only with US FL... it also works defensive as it buffs support line too, if opponent is in in frontline.. this is a joke!

[tawdry pecan]

so tell me one blitzkrieg buffs permanently? also your supportline? gives kredits? gives up to + 25 attack in frontline?? no it does not.

it gives also up to 20 attack in support line, what is a game killer

[tawdry pecan]

again only some strange stuff. whatever you smoke, take less

[tawdry pecan]

skill issues is like your buddies, having problems with commandos or 2nd front, that it gots nerfs.

so guys, I will play 15th eng now a while and we will see the reports about broken card. then you can call me prophet...

[twilit meteor]

If you can kill in 3 turns, why are you complaining about a 5k FL buff unit?

[twilit meteor]

Nahhhh I'm US only

[twilit meteor]

This isn't a bug, it's a feature

!seaborne

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[twilit meteor]

[obtuse parcel]

!observers

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[obtuse parcel]

Btw

[twilit meteor]

Yes, everyone should play 15th Engi (as US main of course)

I endorse it 100%

Make USFL great again

💪 🇺🇸

[flat fiber]

I don't see the problem

Just kill it with removals

[last halo]

[tepid wagon]

No one will ever call you prophet buddy I can assure you tha

[serene cipher]

As a reminder to all in this thread suggestions are expected to be respectful and constructive
Do not hurl insults orotherwise be rude to others or this thread will be locked

[idle blade]

what

wait
I get what you may mean

still, 15th Engi is a fine card and I personally never stumbled upon it

[idle blade]

what he means, is Blitzkrieg + full frontline is a game ender most of the time

as the attack bonus often just kills enemy, and its easier to pull off because cheaper + decreases operation cost

[hollow vine]

15th is still a decent unit because its kredit and attack gain, but it won't end the game on its own. If the enemy let you control the frontline you will be put at a big advantage, and at a full front it gives even more attack bonus than blitzkrieg, but you don't get the immediate value that blitzkrieg offers.

[last halo]

I haven't played with 15th eng but honestly it looks like a winmore card

[hollow vine]

Not entirely. Its more eco or finisher. If you wouldn't normally have enough attack to break through a front, it can give give you more than enough. Just getting 5 brewsters in the frontline won't win, 5 brewsters with 7 attack each however, will kill. And 2 kredit slots and a decent damage unit that just buffed the attack of whatever you already have if the enemy controls the frontline is decent enough for 5k.

It really is a good card just to have. Its good for ramp, since it can allow you to play aggressively early game, and turn that agression into eco for late game, but honestly it will help you in just about any situation.

[twilit meteor]

Even just 4 Brewsters from Yorktown with 6 atk is enough for me

[hollow vine]

Its not as broken as OP though it was, but it sure ain't bad.

[twilit meteor]

It's really balanced all things considered

[hollow vine]

Surprisingly. It's like professionals, when it was revealed it was thought it would be a lot better than it actually is. Not terrible, but not OP.

[twilit meteor]

Nah this is way closer to expectations than Pro

It's really good, yes, but the conditions to make it good need effort

[hollow vine]

I did mix this with a deployment deck though. if you can reuse it, you feel a lot better deploying it as fast as possible without much setup because you can just reuse the effect.

[twilit meteor]

If opp is running air for example, 15th is not a good option. Needs setup with Yorktown and other units

[hollow vine]

It does kind've murder ramp though. Ramp was already struggling a bit, but now that the aggro decks can ramp even faster than the actual ramp decks, it kind of just makes everything an aggro deck.

[twilit meteor]

Kinda? Ramp is still ramp and tempo is lost. 5k is the goldilocks zone. Not too expensive, not too cheap

[hollow vine]

Oh do you know why people keep targeting stuff like light infantry so much? I have a light infantry deck and while I have no intention to really buff them up, they are just there to be meatshields until the IS tanks come out, (and to be economy with 15th an workers) but people keep attacking them like crazy.

They will spend removal getting rid of stuff that really isn't dangerous at all.

And its not like there is all that much that will superbuff light infantry, at least nothing that wouldn't be more practical to use somewhere else.

[tawdry pecan]

FAIL, as this is not standard, it is the best case. you are talking like a low skiller, but sure, you are the grand tournament master and you win always in turn 4... looool. show me your 100% win rate.... as it proves your stupid text. BTW. a neutral and objective critic about a card, has NOTHING to do with, if I can handle it. again a proof you your low knowledge

Revision

The card does at its best:
+5 credit
+25 atk in frontline
+20 in support line
permanently!!!and it does not matter if it are your own or opponents units in frontline
for 5K, unit

some ideas:

-the unit must be present (or not suppressed)
-it is too low in costs.
-should work only if opponent is in front
or
-only for ypur frontline units.
-or limited to max 3 atk/K)

However, this is not a miracle card.

But I can remember your explanations about commando decks or 2nd front. about frustrations.

I have had no problems with both decks and was happy when they appeared in game, as the win was 80%.

What do you think are looking at the faces with common or new players?

and for all the "skill issue" lowies... I have no problem to handle it, but I think it needs a rework

[hollow vine]

Oooo ad hominem. Dude if you want to convince someone maybe don't talk like an irate squirrel on crack? And use proper grammar and spelling, while I understand you may not speak English natively, it is the primary language of this server. A poor or weak ability to use it will make it harder to understand what you are saying, regardless of how well you understand the information. At the very least learn capitals and punctuation.

[tawdry pecan]

have you something to say about the topic? no? go away... understandable enough miss teacher? I think, a guy with first text "skull issue lmfao " understands me fine. btw. wrong usage of ad hominem as before my final reply, I already explained it to the guy. check out. so you have used ad hominem not to the problem, you used it to the reply of my reply to the problem.

[hollow vine]

I've already said what I wanted to in previous comments. I just came back because responding to arrogant people sure of their own rightness is funny for a while.

You are only trying to claim that repeated insults aren't ad hominem because you know full well it is. No serious debate would let you go on with such attacks unpunished and you can rightly be called out on it. The more I look at what you've typed the clearer it is it was done quickly, and it lends credence to the idea that you are responding out of anger rather than putting thought and effort into it. But I really wasn't kidding about issues with understanding.

For example:

You are missing a 'Do' in the first part of your response. This isn't completely necessary for some English speakers, but it might be a stumbling block for people who aren't native.

You should have used 'Is that' before understandable also for clarifying reasons. (And I ain't going away as long as you give me comments to attack. Its fun!)

A better way to word the next sentence would have been: "Someone who'd just said 'skull issue lmfao' would understand me fine." (That is bad reasoning. Just because someone can insult doesn't mean they understand. Honestly it is good evidence they DON'T understand and you need to clarify if they just throw an insult and nothing productive)

There are several instances that are double-spaced such as potentially both uses of ad hominem and before BTW.

You are missing an 'it' in 'Check it out.' Which significantly changes the meaning from 'look at that' to 'leave officially.'

The last sentence is so weirdly worded I'm not sure what you mean there. You need to be specific about what the problem is. It wouldn't be logical if it was about improper usage of ad hominem since I just looked through the entire post and not a single other comment references ad hominem. You are either flat out lying or misremembering.

The more I read this the more it looks like someone pretending to be smart.

That or you are just so foolish you unintentionally sound like a snob.

Honestly I'm willing to be polite and try and recommend you some slightly better grammar and spelling so that you don't come off as a fool pretending.

[tawdry pecan]

oh yes, Mistress teacher. I dont care about some missing words... when I write in night, with some dental problems 😉

[hollow vine]

Now you just sound extra foolish.

[tawdry pecan]

no I dont, foolish are people replying to my suggest with: skill issue...lmfao... so go there talking your morale stuff or what ever your issue is

[hollow vine]

Those missing words can completely change the meaning and tone of a phrase or sentence.

[hollow vine]

Moral, not morale. And this isn't even a moral issue, its a communication issue. The ability to properly communicate is incredibly important.

[tawdry pecan]

I am sure the "lmfao" guy has understand it fine, as it is his common way

who replies in this way, can not expect better replies

[hollow vine]

And I'm replying in a far more coherent manner so by that logic, I do expect you to reach a basic standard.

[flat fiber]

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[tawdry pecan]

I understand your point, sorry about my way, I know it was not fine and my English is not the best. did my examen in it...30 years ago . in my business I do not need such words like here. beside this, English started in my school with me, 13 years old .so very late...but Russian was fine

[hollow vine]

Oh heck yea this is fun. Its hard to find people who you can argue against without feeling bad or worried.

[hollow vine]

Well if you are willing to apologize, than you, and I accept it. I have no reason to insult someone capable of being humble.

[tawdry pecan]

However I also wrote a revision to my suggestions and points. sure, it is not THE magic card. but it can do a lot. that is the point

[hollow vine]

I'm a pretty average player, and the thing is while it is immensely versatile, it is slow to set up. It is only incredibly good against opponents who can't keep the board clear properly. Its more like 165th in that regard, in that even new players can still typically manage enough aggro to keep 15th from gaining massive value. Thats why I don't think it needs to be changed, because I rarely see anyone else use it and when I use it myself it is rare that you achieve its true potential. The closest I've gotten is is in a very lucky light infantry deck, I think a Brewster deck, and a deployment deck where I can just reuse the effect rather than worrying about frontline setup.

When properly setup in a full frontline, it can indeed be a game-ender, but we haven't seen it commonly because there are a lot of good ways to deal with swarms, and most decks now are some form of aggro that doesn't need a mid-game buff to win, and might suffer if there is a 5k card in a deck that relies on early swarming and won't really benefit from kredit slot gain because of the generally low card cost.

The biggest value of 15th engineers has just been in their ability to make ramp decks viable in an aggro meta by allowing them to have both a decent early game and then quickly gain the kredits needed for their big end-game units. I think this is a justifiable reason to keep 15th around. Most decks have a better alternative, and it keeps ramp decks viable.

[white needle]

Skill issue

[tepid wagon]

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[tawdry pecan]

it buffs offensive players - also defensive player.

btw. I have 2800 hrs in the game. this proves not quality, but usually FM is fine

[tawdry pecan]

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[tawdry pecan]

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