Nerf SECOND FRONT

[modern dagger]

El arquetipo de despliegue lo he creado con esta nueva expansión y funciona muy bien

[abstract pike]

(ok lets swich back to english)

[modern dagger]

Oprime casi todo en general

Es de origen germano del nombre original Enrique por eso mismo

[abstract pike]

curious, didn't knew that, although I'm not surprise(d)

(seriously, switch back to english, people are gonna get mad lol)

[modern dagger]

Yeah sure

[pallid stratus]

Lol

Yo soy medio argentino, but im not fluent

[abstract pike]

OTRO HISPANO

[pallid stratus]

Hahaha

[pallid stratus]

Ive never seen this deck tbh, if it seems to have a lot of mid range play, it could work cos ur not running into rout and crossfire ig? Since u are mostly 4k units

Again tho ik they could be playing the same decks but even them they will be playing them worse, cos its rank 12 thru 8

[modern dagger]

Crossfire is a bad card if u arent fighting against Japan tbh

Never understand why so many people like it

[abstract pike]

Its literally the only decent cheap mass removal Germany has

[pallid stratus]

Its pretty amazing tbh, i used to use it with commando 9 and it was godly

[modern dagger]

I personally dont like it

[abstract pike]

and it works pretty good against anything to be honest

[abstract pike]

curious

[modern dagger]

Yeah not saying its bad

[abstract pike]

but I can see why

[pallid stratus]

🧐

[modern dagger]

I would love it if it was like : Repeat the effect per troop killed by this order

[abstract pike]

no no, ofc, but I can see why you don't like

[modern dagger]

But its not the case so

[abstract pike]

how would that be different?

unless you mean that it increases its damage alongside a repeat

[modern dagger]

Massive aggro with 1 hp but one of their cards has 4 hp = it would kill the 4hp card too

Unlike the current one

[pallid stratus]

If it was any stronger than it was now it'd be busted tbh

[abstract pike]

oh ok now I get the idea

basically increased damage equal to units destroyed per trigger

[modern dagger]

Yeah I understand that that why I just simply dont use it

[abstract pike]

I wouldn't mind a stronger German card, but that would be pretty unfair lol

[modern dagger]

Yeah, it would fit the theme of the card

That why its ´´ crossfire ´´

[abstract pike]

(that could be another interesting Elite)

[modern dagger]

For sure

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Orders: 11
Countermeasures: 8
Average attack: 2.90
Average defense: 3.15
Average kredit cost: 2.75
Average operation cost: 1.40

[tribal cliff]

definitely not polished, im not even sure id call it "fun", but it seems consistent-ish against bretagne

[pallid stratus]

Look cool

Its probs perfect against bret, all the aggro to apply pressure, and u have so many CMs he cant even play around them lol

[tribal cliff]

yep

only issue is that its not too good against other decks

ie jintel; so its more of a hard bret counter, and not too much else

[pallid stratus]

Yeah makes sense

[solid island]

yeahh... running naitonal fire service in jaggro to not die to a combo deck....

This is a healthy sign for the state of kards play rn...

[somber canyon]

I do agree

[pallid stratus]

Yeah its such an ass card ive never ran it until this season

Literally the only reason im in FM

[drowsy python]

I completely agree with there needing a nerf for Second Front. It's WAY too strong a combo that requires only 3 cards to just get an instant win

ZERO interaction against it, either

That is unless you're running a bunch of healing and counters

But then you also have to remove the Bretagne, but that's almost impossible given Second Front removes it from the field

[fallow latch]

I just feel sorry for these developers.

Maybe five-year-olds work there, or maybe they're just too lazy after two months of vacation to test the cards they create.

They charge players exorbitant amounts for diamonds, but they deliver a product that's defective and full of flaws.

The holidays are approaching, so they'll probably change something in this game after the New Year if they have the energy.

First there was Commandos, then Sabae Regiment, and now Second Front.

Nothing changes here – it's just awful, awful.

And they're charging money for this crap.

[somber canyon]

This is one of the reason I when back to Warframe, Gensiin and slowly got back into trying out Satisfactory again same with Factorio

[pallid stratus]

You aren't wrong, every update there has always been something broken that they need to nerf, often its something they push as well (sabae & commandos).

New cards are usually just ridiculously strong and the powercreep is exponential at this point, not sure what the 'balancing' process is but it needs a rehaul imo

[gleaming flax]

Jaggro works fine vs them without NFS

[naive leaf]

ok I warned you already, 24 hour mute

[ashen marten]

Yeah jagro can just use blitzkreig on the turn enemy uses 8k to have 0 tempo

Other decks might be crushed but jagro has no problem with this deck

[abstract pike]

jaggro never had any real struggles against any deck to be honest

[drowsy python]

Here's probably the most fair rework I can think of for Second Front. Change the text to

"Add a copy of this unit to the field at the start of your next turn"

This keeps the payoff, but actually gives a chance for the opponent to respond by getting rid of the original unit.

[fringe moth]

For a second front maybe add the copy to the Frontline

[abstract pike]

I still believe the best base change for this order is that it can only be targeted on German units

thats the only issue it has (besides the pseudo blitz)

[pallid stratus]

Problem is if you have bismarck in hand u are still guaranteeing 18 dmg in that following turn

Not to mention u still do 4 dmg with second front itself, so 22 overall across 2 turns, still an OTK

25 if the Bret attacks

[drowsy python]

True, so the other option would be to rework the Bret itself

[pallid stratus]

The bret isnt ridiculously strong though itself though, its been in the game a while now and had no complaints till now, second front is just the perfect card for it

[fathom spear]

I would say this SECOND FRONT is actually giving a friendly unit such effects: cannot be targeted this turn, giving bliz (cuz it is returned by the end of opponent's turn) and pseudo-fury (return with a copy. It's pseudo cuz units like Fr B26 can also trigger its effect twice, which is even stronger than an actual fury) in the next turn.

So the nerfing idea is quite straightforward actually. Options including: 1. Can only target German units; 2. Return the unit with its copy at the beginning of your next turn; 3. Return the unit by the end of opponent's turn, but no copy.

Option 1 redefine the upper limit. Option 2 basically cannot affect Fr B26 + second front combo. Option 3 makes it more versatile and less deadly

[pallid stratus]

Id say option 1 and 2 together

Ppl still use second front on 129 henschel even now and thats what they will fully move onto if Bret combo goes

[modern dagger]

Problem with 2nd option is that u are killing the card, bc lets take for example we do second front with 129. Why would I want to waste 9 kredits on returning again 2 expensive cards to my deck?

Most of the times that means 99% defeat

2nd option is an straight forward kill the card

I totally agree it should only affect german units. But we cant make option 2 bc that would mean dead card

Maybe a good option to solve this is doing option 1 + return the copy to ur deck with blitz and 0 cost since that would mean u will need minim 2 turns to be able to gain max value from it

Remember, to deck, not hand or superior deck

In that way the german draw would gain more importance and value

And would solve the issue with 2nd front

[pallid stratus]

He didnt say to return to the deck, he changed the wording to "return at start of your next turn" so it effectively removes the pseudo blitz part

[modern dagger]

Oh yeah mb I readed it wrong

I mean its not an overkill for the card but I think my option is better bc it rewards draw + solves the issue with second front

+rewards a lot lategame

[languid steeple]

Yessssssss

[jolly stream]

honestly just make it duplicate a card the same turn

my whole gripe is that it returns them at the beginning of your turn meaning you can build insane pressure in your backline without fearing your units getting killed if the enemy takes the frontline and you get four of these for 4k

[fair yarrow]

It definitely needs changing. What’s so toxic about the card is that your opponent doesn’t get a chance to interact with the card (B26) you use Second Front on before you do the silly OTK combo. Its text needs changing to ‘duplicate target unit at the start of your next turn’.

[tribal cliff]

I wish there was a way to nerf the card while still making it an enabler for units that dont normally see play

ie some folks have managed to make the stuka work pretty well with it, and based on a bit of testing, 2nd front synergizes pretty well with something like the otsu

!ki-43

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Cards found: 2

[modern dagger]

A rework could work really nice for this card

[junior onyx]

I dont know if this version of a rework was been sugested yet but both the original copy and extra copy of the selected unit should return Suppressed.

like: BOND, Remove a Friendly unit, Return it at the end of the enemy turn SUPPRESSED, then duplicate it.

[pallid stratus]

I like this

[jolly stream]

this would work nicely cause it kills that annoying otk strat with the French bombers

[somber canyon]

I think "Remove a friendly unit. Return it at the end of the next enemy turn, put it at the bottom of your deck and than duplicate it." or something like that

[granite scaffold]

! Stealth mission

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Cards found: 1

[spare storm]

maybe Return it at the end of the enemy turn and add a suppressed copy to your support line?

[modern dagger]

This would be so easy as change Bretagne to work like : After playing an order, add 2 resistance cards to the enemy deck per turn

And just buff the stats to 3/5 (1 more hp)

[civic briar]

Bretagne is not the issue

Why nerf units that were okayish pre-Second Front just because their effects doubled

It's Second Front abusing "add at end of enemy turn" for a pseudo-Blitz plus inability for opponent to react to it

[waxen smelt]

TBF there is an argument about old cards becoming to strong with new releases
See like Reichbank and how they were fine for years but then finally reached a point it had to be changed. Part of that was some new cards being to strong but it also can become a recurring issue every so often.

Not saying that is the case now or even taking a stance on which one is the issue here

But sometimes old cards just break as the game expands so just because it wasn't an issue before doesn't mean it's entirely blameless

[modern dagger]

Bretagne should be reworked to fit with the resistance archetype

Would solve the issue without having to solve more stuff

[fringe moth]

Second front 2. Marine

https://tenor.com/view/gold-ship-golshi-gold-ship-trainer-gif-11733944992889252032

[waxen smelt]

Yeah stuff like that is probably why Second Front would be changed first

But bretange could still be an issue that just comes around later

[civic briar]

I can see that with 22nd Marines and Sullivans yeah

[abstract pike]

Reichsbank case in a nutshell lol

[modern dagger]

Tbh I dont find that unbalanced

Bc navy burn requires some stuff tools be ready for it

[fringe moth]

But it adds up quicker then bretagne (maybe idk)

[modern dagger]

I mean that why u are paying 4k?

[crisp cloak]

The effect should change to "at the beginning of the enemy turn", which would allow for counterplay without nuking any combo

[drowsy python]

Quick PSA: Resistance actually fucks with Bretagne's ability, causing it to deal 0 damage

[copper finch]

So the mirror match is just a random shitshow. Great design

[drowsy python]

Yeah, pretty much. It's all about who can get to the OTK first

[fallow latch]

@copper finch great design always be great design

[pallid stratus]

I wonder why the devs were so quick to nerf the Jpn inf and not Second front

!106

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Cards found: 2

[abstract pike]

well I mean, it wasn't a particularly flashy nerf, but just a cost increase

(yet)

[pallid stratus]

Sure, but they nerfed it nontheless

After what, a few days?

[naive leaf]

2 days

[pallid stratus]

Yeah speedy

But we have radio silence atm regarding second front

At 2 weeks or whatever

[copper finch]

Radio silence is usual state.
Devs do not communicate with the community.

[pallid stratus]

Kinda insinuates they dont see a problem with its current state for now

[copper finch]

It’s not a new situation at all. We got a ton of suggestions about this but they either don’t read it or don’t care. My guess is that we’ll have patch a month for now or so, when they’ll need to show some interest before releasing new batch of cards.

[pallid stratus]

This game is neat and i enjoy it, but these devs really seem to blunder with balance

106 was crazy, i cannot believe they thought that was okay to release as it was

Why do so if ur just gonna be forced to nerf it 2 days later lol

[granite scaffold]

Imo, bretagne at least can be countered with aggro, not like commando

[copper finch]

Blunders with balance are inevitable and regarding amount of cards/interactions in the game it should be forgiven. But being permanently silent and another „we couldn’t care less” to the community is bad.

[pallid stratus]

No i get unforseeable interactions. But 106 at release was vile, everyone knew it would be the moment it was teased. The devs greenlit that. It shows a concerning lack of gamesense

The radio silence is terrible too obviously

[copper finch]

Yea, but don’t worry. We’ll get some new Christmas offers in shop instead!
😕

[pallid stratus]

Yippee! Time to tune into the tournament, I bet that'll be fun to watch!

[pallid stratus]

Which is fine if u are an aggro player, Bretagne just nuked everything that wasnt.

[rose sonnet]

im an aggro player and i cant win against it most of the time

maybe its a skill issue but they heal soooo much hp

[pallid stratus]

Nah its not free if u r aggro, u are just best positioned to win compared to other decks

Even tho they have the OTK the rest of their deck is built around surviving to turn 10 so its not easy by any means

Guards, rout, crossfire, healing 👴

[modern dagger]

Hard disagree. I always won against it with aggro decks

If u lost with aggro, its pure skill issue

I still won even if they started with routes and crossfire lol

[pallid stratus]

In @rose sonnet 's defence, he is in FM. Aggro is a free win in the lower ranks

But in FM ppl are more prepared for it

[junior onyx]

nah this way the combo still deals 18 damage without attacking. and 21 with attacking. The card functions way to much like a tony already. it dupplicates a unit and gives both blitz. In other words for its current cost is should Suppress both. either that or it should be costed at 6, 7 or maybe even 8 kredits to make sence.

I think this game never saw a more unbalanced single Kard. atleast in the last 2 years

[fallow latch]

How many more tons of text need to be written to make a patch for this game?????

THIS S@$ IS UNPLAYABLE NOW!!!!!!

Every game looks the same.

8/10 opponents has GERMANY deck. The game lasts until turn 9. On turn 8, SECOND FRONT and you die, or Bismarck and you die.....

Again and again and again....

[drowsy python]

You're honestly not wrong. I'm honestly getting fatigued from having to play against the same deck over and over.

They don't have time to nerf one card, but they DO have time to make a Tik Tok account

[copper finch]

At this point it’s time for me to write a review on steam. I never do this, but 1939 really worked for this one.

[brave rune]

Tbh, is this patch the worst ever in KARDS history? We have multiple extremely broken op cards. We have many cards from different nations differ widely in strength. I still wonder what most US and Sov new cards are actually good for. For example, the Grant from US which give you a +1 attack for all units in deck requring depolying a 4k non-blitz unit and spending another 2k operation cost to move it to front. while KETTENKRAD from GER, with similar effect only cost 2k to send 1 your unit on the table back to your hand and give all GER units on the table, in your hand, and in your deck +1 attack. Tbh, imo, the card design in this pack seems slapdash.

[rose sonnet]

hands down the worst patch in kards history at least during the times i played the game

[drowsy python]

ditto; and the devs are too chicken shit to interact with us

[modern dagger]

No way bro said kettenkrad is op. Kettenkrad doesnt gives u a body with smokescreen. Also the Grant leaves u a 4/4 body tank with smokescreen which u choose when to attack with it or not, and even if the enemy has the frontline u can still kill the enemy troop and send the tank to the frontline for the effect

[gleaming flax]

Honestly
while I agree Kettenkrad doesn't give you a Ambush Smokescreen body, and only gives buff to German units, I still feel like it's better than Lee

I personally like using it on Arado or such to recycle Deployment effect

Lee... I also used it, but I feel like I was getting more value from Kettenkrad

I don't shit on Lee tho, its pretty interesting concept

[abstract pike]

tbh, I think M3 LEE should either have its Bond removed and/or have its operation cost reduced to 1k

[civic briar]

Remove smokescreen, add blitz

[abstract pike]

that could be interesting... better than smokescreen lol

although it would be pretty unneficient to operate tbh

[civic briar]

!smokescreen give +

[timid gust]

Cards found: 4

[civic briar]

There was a card that buffs on smokescreen removal but highyl inneficient with US

[abstract pike]

ja(ggro)pan has it

!HIROSAKI BRIGADE

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Cards found: 1

[civic briar]

Thanks. Off topic now but yeah Second Front sucks and everything needs a rework
patch wehn

[abstract pike]

I mean, by this point anything covered so far already points out how busted it is, not to mention all ways it could be changed

anything else is just.... random rambling and filler chat

we just have to hope for it to be changed in a future (if the devs don't forget or sleep)

but I bet the change would be something like "Increased cost to 5k"

[civic briar]

The Pro for 5k? Heck yeah

[neat bane]

Just make it add a duplicate SUPRESSED COPY

Like that cavalry 6k 1 op soviet inf

Supressed yes, but you still have the stats

[abstract pike]

no but you see but you see, if it adds a Suppressed copy it kills the entire purpose of the card and the devs mind design, which is a big no no (likely outcome to that)

the devs wants you to OTK or be OTKeid

[civic briar]

Suppressed %Superfortress% is still a Superfortress

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Cards found: 2

[civic briar]

[abstract pike]

and still with psuedo blitz lol

good luck trying to block that thing with a small fighter lol

[civic briar]

Can be Bolstered too

[abstract pike]

can do a lot of thing with it as US

[civic briar]

They knew the chaos this would cause so they removed %Pershing%

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Cards found: 1

[civic briar]

🥀

[abstract pike]

I mean, there is also %IOSEF STALIN-II%

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[abstract pike]

!iosef

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Cards found: 2

[abstract pike]

no wait... I mixed it up lol

[patent scarab]

How about: "Remove a friendly unit from the battlefield, add a copy of it to the support line, at the end of the enemy turn, add the unit back."

Or something along these lines.

[spare storm]

How about: Remove a friendly unit from the battlefield. Deal 20 damage to your HQ if unit is B-26 Groupe Bretagne

[abstract pike]

that could save up some time, for real for real.

[scarlet quartz]

Oh my god

[tall kernel]

You understand that if second front doesnt get reworked there is no point on using midrange and control decks anymore right? The whole game will be hyper aggro decks trying to kill the opps faster than that broken trash combo can be played

[scarlet quartz]

I don't think this card deserves this many messages.

+1000 messages

[abstract pike]

ofc I do, I never even liked the concept of an OTK strategy, it is unfun

(I was just being sarcastic/realistic as that is what is happening right now)

and well, there is no guarantee it wil lbe changed in the next patch

[scarlet quartz]

Chat, hear me out

I have a good suggestion

Make this card like this:

• it costs 5k and it affects only ground units.

[scarlet quartz]

What do you think?

[abstract pike]

yeah

it is good

[tall kernel]

I would make it 6k considering there is a elite card limited to duplicating tanks and it costs 4k

And yes limited to ground units please

[scarlet quartz]

What is this card?
I think 5k is more than enough.

[abstract pike]

!HELL ON WHEELS

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Cards found: 1

[scarlet quartz]

Sherman moment

[tall kernel]

Forgot that it can reduce operation cost

So yeah 5k for second front seems good

Another broken thing about that deck is that 2 cost 2/3 french unit. That card is crazy, generate a 4/4 guard that costs 0 to operate if played on curve

[delicate ridge]

I had over 25 HQ health and after playing second front the previous turn, he annihilated my HQ in one turn I completely agree with this suggestion right now it is unstoppable and overpowered

[gleaming flax]

it's not unstoppable

Brit Countermeasures, Aggro, lucky Resistance

[hard kayak]

second front should be nerfed. It would be ok if it keeps the keywords of the copied unit but text is removed.

[delicate zephyr]

devs go to celebrate Christmas while Second front still dominating

[gleaming flax]

use Aggro while they celebrate

[abstract pike]

they will go on vacation before patching that up lol

just like with Commandos before

and most possible outcome from that will be the absolute obliteration of the Second front, which is kinda sad tbh

[scarlet quartz]

Maybe some cards will get buff.

[abstract pike]

thats... possible

I might have some cards in mind which may be good candidates for it, but its tricky

[wooden tide]

doesnt matter, second front decks can run roughshod offer aggro if you dont get a lucky draw

[outer wing]

at this point they should start over, redesign the whole thing , make it ww1 as well

[wooden tide]

the thing that drives me up the wall

is that i face either one of the japanese aggro/intel decks or second front

then the second i play my aggro deck i face british, russian and american decks

like wtf is this awful matchmaking thats making me face the same busted decks with the ones i actually enjoy playing

[delicate zephyr]

when they going to fix this stuff?

like u just see a person and second front and later u died , this game is so fun .

[gleaming flax]

while it is like that, use the turn they give you to kill him from hand

[delicate zephyr]

yea sure.

[civic briar]

!need for speed

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[civic briar]

Wait wrong NFS

!national fire service

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Cards found: 1

[gleaming flax]

play FtO Jaggro for that

a lot of finishers

!%%34|5C5S6Bimm6p4;666C6Y7lqCvfvlx1x3x5;6xt9tl;5Z

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Orders: 15
Countermeasures: 0
Average attack: 2.83
Average defense: 2.71
Average kredit cost: 2.50
Average operation cost: 1.17

[spare storm]

this shet still not nerfed?

[naive leaf]

it will be nerfed in the January patch. Not before then

[sweet badge]

*might be nerfed

[civic briar]

*should be nerf

[modern dagger]

When Sabe nerf?

[outer wing]

january

might be

should be

[modern dagger]

Most powercreep card Japan had in all its history

´´Deploy the card and suffle in some way and u win´´

[outer wing]

Yea very annoying card, it already got ' nerfed ' once right?

[fringe moth]

Yeah -1 attack so it couldn't work with a certain unit

[modern dagger]

The nerf didnt change shit basically

[outer wing]

buffed in august

nerfed in october

[civic briar]

Friendly reminder that they nerfed Seahawk and this guy still gets to live

[outer wing]

might see another buff first 😭

[civic briar]

Kill Sabae

[naive leaf]

We continue to closely monitor the evolving battlefield, including the widely discussed SECOND FRONT and B-26 GROUPE BRETAGNE. We’re working on getting everything in alignment for our next balance patch, which is estimated to land in January. We will have more details on that a bit later.

this was the specific wording

[outer wing]

other than the possible panzergrenadier otk interaction like ziak mentioned not really no

[abstract pike]

proceeds to nerf BISMARCK to only dealing 4 damage

[limpid bough]

The fix should be pretty easy without killing the card, with the aim of seeing it played also in combination with other cards and not just B-26/Henschel. The text should read "Add a copy to the second line and give it smokescreen and +1 defense" That's it! Maybe making it cost 3 kredit. And you will see many more interactions with other cards. If the oppo cannot destroy the smokescreened copy or the non-smokescreened one, will we talk also about deckbuilding ? Won't we...

[civic briar]

Bro

We want Second Front NERFED

Not BUFFED

I don't wanna see %German shock Marine% with SEVEN HP AND SMOKESCREEN

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Cards found: 1

[civic briar]

I just read that again. Buff to 3K???

This should be upped to 12k at least

[gleaming flax]

Bro means adding one copy, not two

[sweet badge]

[gleaming flax]

Btw heres the thing
I'm unziaing myself when new year starts, join me on that

[sweet badge]

this isnt on topic for the suggestion, im contacting the moderator team to ban you

[gleaming flax]

Quick way to get it on topic
Second Front also unziad himself

[limpid bough]

What I suggested is a substantial nerf to what the card currently does. And it won't lose its spirit which is literally printed in its name.

[civic briar]

Copy for 3k with +1 defense and smokescreen is not a "substantial nerf"

A standard card at that, too

!hell on wheels

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[civic briar]

Even this is conditional af

And it's Elite

[civic briar]

Also again as I said, I don't wanna see this mfer with 7 HP and Smokescreen

[civic briar]

2 Sabae on the field (one of them being 6HP and Smokescreen) and activate Dug In same turn for only 3k? I will wrangle someone's neck

!surveil

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Cards found: 1

[civic briar]

This card is at least balanced

Second Front is just too cheap for what it does

Make it 12k

[abstract pike]

12k would be literally an ass card

I would rather see it as a card that has a limit to which targets to be effective with

which could be either only German units and/or ground units

that should do the trick

and maybe as @crisp cloak did mentioned earlier, it should add both of them at the end of your turn, not the enemy's

[civic briar]

My way of saying "yeah I want it gone forever"

Except for Sabae

Kill Sabae

[abstract pike]

its not that bad, its just baddly designed

once the main problems are fixed it won't be an issue

mostly a "defensive/value" counterpart of RAPID ENGAGEMENT

and there is.... jagroo (and all its multiverse variants that are the same slop)

[civic briar]

Fine. Slap on the conditionals

Let's see what comes of it

[crisp cloak]

The main problem with second front today is that it blocks interaction. We need the opponent to be able to respond, and then the card becomes balanced again

[delicate zephyr]

Yeah singleplayer mode on .

[delicate zephyr]

I still dont know why Second front give u ability to blitz , isnt this is a "bug" that supposed to be hotfix in the first place ?

Let say if this card suppose to give u blitz in the first place then it never should be set in 4 cost , idk is dev on drug or something

so it duplicate a same card and with same stats and ability and make them able to blitz , both of them able to blitz btw .

idk , what kind of drug they onto , i really want to know

[gleaming flax]

this is a pseudo-blitz, same kind of thing as %first responders%

[timid gust]

Cards found: 1

[gleaming flax]

Second Front adds units at the end of enemy turn

so technically, a turn passes, and you can operate with these units

but it is NOT a actual Blitz

so, if you Second Front a tank or something (like Chi-To), then when it's added and duped push it into frontline into %unexcepted resistance%, it is NOT destroyed

[timid gust]

Your Majesty, I'm sorry to tell you that...

Search language: EN. No cards found...

[gleaming flax]

!unexcepted resistance

[timid gust]

Your Majesty, I'm sorry to tell you that...

Search language: EN. No cards found...

[gleaming flax]

!resistance british 0k

[timid gust]

Cards found: 1

[gleaming flax]

So, it is NOT a thing needed to be hot-fixed, but rather a Second Front mechanic

and if devs wanted to change that, they would simply make this "at the start of your next turn" instead of "at the end of next enemy turn"

that alone is not enough, as Bretagne interaction would remain unchanged (except for being able to attack with Bretagnes, but you can smack for 28 w Bismarck)

and 2. Marine Division interaction's biggest part would still be as it is

it would only heavily affect Henschel interaction, when it comes to more popular ones

[split canopy]

also doesnt get caught by exhuast all option :<

[fallow latch]

The holiday break is over.

Are these wonderful developers planning to do something about these sick cards? Or will we have to wait until next summer?

[abstract pike]

probably

[sweet badge]

changes arent going to be released the exact day the holiday break is finished

[drowsy python]

If any card needs to be nerfed, it's Second Front. Even without that bullshit Bretagne OTK, this card is almost impossible to react to. It can turn games around immediately, and leave you with no hope of ever winning.

Actually, it doesn't need to be nerfed. It needs a complete rework because of how unfair the ability is, and no cost adjustments will fix it

Playing Second Front on most of your good units is an AUTOMATIC WIN

[gleaming flax]

wouldn't call it "automatic win"

[drowsy python]

Y'know, someone outta actually ping the developers directly so we can finally voice our grievances. Get rid of this big-ass wall of non-communication between them and the people that actually play the game

[civic briar]

It's pretty much 50/50

If you can crack the opp HQ within the turn Bretagne Front is played, or can play a defensive move and survive for the next few turns, you're all good. Otherwise, just surrender

[drowsy python]

That's not an excuse to keep the card the way it is. I refuse to cope for something so hideously broken

[sweet badge]

Pinging the devs wont make any difference to getting your voice heard

[wooden tide]

its an automatic win

very few situations where you dont auto win

and most of those require the opponent to have 40+ hp in their HQ

[gleaming flax]

...like having burst of damage from hand

[wooden tide]

if i had the burst from hand they'd likely already be dead

generally the second front decks win by being control

and tend to crush other control or mid decks which excel at fighting aggro

i just played a deck i made for fun, full of destruction effects

lost in two turns after second front

first was captiulation

then bismarck

[gleaming flax]

how about... you have burst to kill him, but it requires like two turns to pop off
but you spent only half the burst you can, so they waste turn second fronting instead of healing

[wooden tide]

part of the extra pain with the second front deck

is you spend the whole game fighting stupid convert units

and orders

so most of the game is

play unut

watch it dies

or be converted to uselessness

then they play second front and you lose

its not a fun experience

you finally slog through the control and they just go

oops youre dead?

just insult to injury

and this is ignoring the times they get the right combo to pull it off on like turn 8

with bretangue, second front, research, bismark

[naive leaf]

Don't do this, they are aware that the card is controversial.

Repeatedly pinging the devs would get moderator action and nothing else.

[drowsy python]

I wasn't actually going to, but I'm so upset over the meta that I considered it

[gentle lotus]

So tired of this combo... Any comment from the devs yet?

[fringe moth]

Give a few days maybe even weeks

[abstract pike]

*months

[fringe moth]

*years

[abstract pike]

*decades

[fallow latch]

We will wait a half year to get a balanced game.

Its simply ridicioulus.

Maybe the developers are still taking a break.

Who knows?

And in the meantime, a new, incredibly well-made card game has appeared: Heroes Might & Magic FATE.

It's good that there's competition—at least there's a choice.

[abstract pike]

you start sounding like a promo bot by advertising that card game out of nowhere

if you want to go play it, go for it

[sweet badge]

Its also not even out yet, how can we judge if its well made

[civic briar]

RAID: Shadow Legends

[sweet badge]

Ew its made by ubisoft

https://tenor.com/view/ubisoft-nft-video-games-gif-24678659

[abstract pike]

it looks like the average rip off magical fantasy card game from either Magic the gathering or Hearthstone, I'll better spend my time in other games than a card one lol

[gleaming flax]

Ubisoft did bought company for Heroes of Might and Magic related games

or sth

and well, HoMM 5 is a very good game despite technically being Ubisoft one

[gleaming flax]

about Fate, I'd say selling point will be the fact it's HoMM related

and time will tell if that one turns to be good or not

[sweet badge]

HoMM IV was my favourite one in the series

[gleaming flax]

most people I talked to about HoMM games said either III or V

[fallow latch]

@abstract pike No, no, no.

I'm tired of playing the same old games where Second Front wins the game just because.

And the complete lack of interest from the developers.

How long do we have to wait - a month, two, six months?

KARDS isn't the only card game on the market. And that's a good thing.

That's how you lose customers.

[sweet badge]

Its 100% a good thing that multiple ccgs exist on the market, but ubisoft?

[waxen smelt]

1939 has always taken holiday breaks in December. It’s why the winter set often drops early Dec or late Nov. Generally a balance patch comes out 1 or so months after an expansion when the devs are active.

It’s been about one month since the release of the expansion and you’ll probably see a balance patch late Jan or early feb at the latest

At least based on how historically it’s been done for years

[fringe moth]

And if it doesn't happen then just know the potatoes are still growing slow and steady!

[waxen smelt]

Well didn’t take much longer after this :p

[abstract pike]

they did actually called our bluff lol

[drowsy python]

Second Front got nerfed. Our job is done

[delicate zephyr]

yay

[somber canyon]

Well second front is neft yes but not really if they come out with a stupid broken german ground unit

[gleaming flax]

question is

what would they need to add that would be broken w Second Front but fair without it

[solid island]

German IS-2 for 5 or 6k

Not like an 8/8, but maybe a 6/5 panther that adds a copy or triggers something when it leaves/returns to the battlefield

It's hard to think of anything as direct and efficient as B-26 Bretagne lol

[civic briar]

I have the perfect card for that when it happens
%sniped%

[timid gust]

Cards found: 1

[somber canyon]

Well that's wouldn't work

if it was fucking THUNDER DIVISION or anything like it

In Germany

From what is to "Remove a German ground unit. Return it at the end of the your next turn, then duplicate it and give it +1 +1.?

Or something diff

[gleaming flax]

that is a buffed version of current Second Front

[somber canyon]

Well yes but it's not be broken

Because as of right now I can see this card making toxic issues down the road

By adding broken German tanks or units or art

[gleaming flax]

they might have Second Front in mind with these