Change the mechanic from things like Jagdpanzer IV :

[twin bramble]

Idk why this wasnt a thing already in game tbh

Like its so stupid how rng can decide so many things

[thick zephyr]

Well, I suppose that should be a thing

[twin bramble]

The rng of this mechanics is literally a punishement for playing the card

It makes 0 sense

[last gate]

not really sure

[placid coral]

the effect is really powerful tho

[last gate]

on one hand I do agree at some point, but it is a really powerful effect

[placid coral]

i think its good that way

[last gate]

you are essentially discard a card from the enemy hand

as for the other random convert cards, it could be worded slightly different for it to be avoided

[placid coral]

you would also guarantee convertibg everything when opponent has small hand

[twin bramble]

If the effect is the problem then we should suggest to nerf x effects, but making it rng is not a good nerf or a thing

[placid coral]

the downside you mentioned might be needed because effect is so powerful

[twin bramble]

That the reward for playing it, it does nothing when u play it on board

Also a special card btw

[placid coral]

you force an immediate reaction thats already a lot

[twin bramble]

Its true but thats how it is supposed to work, u are paying 3k which is a lot for the germans and it does nothing when u play it + orders doesnt benefits u with this effect

There are a lot of powerful mechanics which are fine, instead nerfing the good ones we should focus on making trash cards bein good

An example of this is the Panzer IV which is literally a vanilla card

@random shell why the joy reaction?

RNG is stupid and should not decide important things like effects or cards which relies entirely on their effect, there are multiple ways to make cards be ´´balanced´´ but making them more rng its considered poor design and bad

The game is already rng bc its a cards game, making it more rng would just make the game worse and would reward even more players who are lucky

Which is not fair

[placid coral]

well should get rid of the card then

[twin bramble]

I hard disagree

Just bc u dont have good cards to kill it doesnt means its op

U are paying 3k for someone which does literally nothing the turn u play it

Normal op cost and just +1/1 stats which is solid/good but not op

Maybe we can make the effect work 1 time per turn and make the effect apply if the enemy fights a unit and dies too

Its a good way to balance it and make it more fair

[placid coral]

once per turn sounds good card should rather get nerfed than buffed

[solar heron]

If you play this card well, you can play it on a full board. That way as you're trading, you're also destroying the enemy’s hand

The balancing factor is the RNG. Every time you convert a real card to production, you're less likely to convert another real card. The point is to prevent total hand destruction

If you want better hand attack, Stuka 87 already exists

*if you want more consistent hand attack

[twin bramble]

Yeah ofc I totally agree with that

That why I suggested this :

[twin bramble]

.

We nerf the times it can do it, but we make the effect count too if the enemy attacks and dies fighting one of ur units

So we prevent as u said total hand destruction

But my point is clear, RNG shouldnt be a way in any way to justify ´´balance´´

Bc its literally unfair

[solar heron]

Sounds more like a nerf to me, but if you prefer that over facing RNG, fair enough I guess

[twin bramble]

Yeah I really preffer consistency than rng

As many people too

1 time someone converted from my deck (8-9 cards) the same card 3 times already

And he lost bc he didnt remove any of my most needed cards for that match, that a simple and real example of why RNG is a terrible way to balance the game

Its a huge nerf but a huge buff at the same time

U gain consistency from both turns but u can do it 1 per time but 100 % guaranteed u gonna destroy an enemy card from ur opponent

[jaunty topaz]

This card is good as is

You get the convert benefits if you have novgrod

!novgrod

[burnt yoke]

Search language: EN. No cards found...

[jaunty topaz]

!novgorod

[burnt yoke]

Cards found: 1

[jaunty topaz]

You can play it at later turns

Turns 7+

[twin bramble]

Read all the conver

U will see I agree with that and it would be op to remove rng with that, that why I suggested the change I mentioned up

[twin bramble]

Its not my point, my point is rng is a problem and is bad that why the change is needed

With the change I said it will be a really good card but not op and it will remove the rng problem

[jaunty topaz]

Without the rng this card would be broken

[formal silo]

Yes

[jaunty topaz]

Therefore i want to keep it as is

[formal silo]

And how would you feel like when your on the other side of it and doesn't hit fucking production cards as much as before?

And plus you upvoted your own posted

[twin bramble]

Holy shit people cant read

[twin bramble]

Is that a problem?

[twin bramble]

.

[formal silo]

I don't want chaned jagdpanzer 4 at all other than removing text

'When you attack and destroy an enemy unit, Convert a random card in the enemy hand into PRODUCTION." to "When you attack and destroy an enemy ground unit, Convert a random card in the enemy hand into PRODUCTION."

[twin bramble]

My main problem is rng. We can make the card still really good and balanced in many ways

But rng is clearly a problem we must remove from the game bc its simply poor and bad design

Also ur idea is bad bc it stills rng

In fact u are nerfing the card lol XD

[formal silo]

I am not nerfing it at all

[twin bramble]

´´random´´

[formal silo]

I don't care about random at all

[twin bramble]

Rng is bad

There is no logical way to defend rng stay in the game

[formal silo]

So we would have remove Develop than

And choose 1 of 3 elite cards

[twin bramble]

Develop is fine bc its a good effect which gives u in general a really big benefit

[formal silo]

And KOKURA'S SWORD

[formal silo]

Because Develop is RNG

[twin bramble]

Im talking about units not orders

Orders rng is fine except the Italy 0k one

[formal silo]

Okay so remove ME 410 HORNISSE to

[twin bramble]

?

[last gate]

oh I have an idea! lets make card draw a guaranteed thing! it cannot be a random outcome

[formal silo]

Because ME 410 HORNISSE is RNG

[formal silo]

I have a better idea

[twin bramble]

I dont remember that card can u remind me which card is?

[formal silo]

"When you attack and destroy an enemy unit, Convert a random card in the enemy hand into PRODUCTION." to "When you attack and destroy an enemy unit draw a card trigger once per turn."

[formal silo]

!me 410 hornisse

[burnt yoke]

Cards found: 1

[twin bramble]

This would work yeah

Im totally up for that tbh

But problem is Germany doesnt needs draw

It needs like kredits or healing

Germany relies a lot on kredits and survive

[formal silo]

!oil

[burnt yoke]

Cards found: 6, showing 1 - 5

[formal silo]

first one

[twin bramble]

Okay but dude it is literally only 1 card and its expensive as fuck

[formal silo]

!gain 5 kredits

[burnt yoke]

Cards found: 2

[twin bramble]

Not available

Both are on the pool

Germany needs either kredit reward or healing

[formal silo]

Germany doesn't need kredit at all

[twin bramble]

Draw a card is not neccesary for Germany since ur cards are really expensive

[twin bramble]

Yes it does, its stupid to deny this, Germany as ur main ally relies a lot on kredits

Most of ur units are expensive as hell

And u cant do much against aggro decks

[random shell]

I just found the "Whoever likes this is just a trash player who relies on luck to win matches" part hilarious

[twin bramble]

And tbh, Germany doesnt has any good cheap card

[formal silo]

!crossfire

[burnt yoke]

Cards found: 1

[formal silo]

!rout

[burnt yoke]

Cards found: 6, showing 1 - 5

[twin bramble]

I mean, its a fact, it makes no sense to convert a production card again into production

Rout is good thats for sure but the problem is it doesnt removes at all the body of the board

And currently bodies are key to do a lot of shit

Also crossfire is 4k thats not what I call a ´´cheap card´´

[formal silo]

Crossfire is cheep and I am Germany Main player

[random shell]

Jagdpanzer is a really strong card and I am not a huge fan of the design. That being said, your suggestion would make it much more broken. The RNG here makes the card weaker on average the more times you can trigger it's absolutely insane effect

[twin bramble]

I totally agree with u Jking that why I want to make its effect work different to maintain balance

[twin bramble]

4k is not cheap

[formal silo]

!113. SCHÜTZEN

[burnt yoke]

Cards found: 1

[twin bramble]

Jagdpanzer IV should help Germany in some way it can buy u more time, like healing or giving u more kredits

[twin bramble]

Congrats, u killed 1 jap from 5 the enemy dropped u in the frontline

Enjoy the defeat

[formal silo]

Jpn*

[twin bramble]

?

[formal silo]

Did you read the rules?

[twin bramble]

Yes and? What happens with jap?

[formal silo]

JPN*

[twin bramble]

Why are u saying jpn? jap is japanese lol

[formal silo]

Sorry but I am not Racist

[twin bramble]

How is that racist wtf

[formal silo]

"As a side note please keep in mind JAP is a commonly used slur and it’s preferred to use JPN if you are abbreviating for the name of Japan."

[twin bramble]

How is that an slur?

Who the fuck would be offended to be called that? I dont understand

[formal silo]

"Dating back to the late 19th century, use of this term was originally neutral. But because the Japanese were the enemy during World War II, the term Jap became derogatory." and more

[twin bramble]

Atp everything is going to be considered an slur

Also if slurs are banned then why ´´nazi´´ isnt prohibited? Its an slur too

Same commie

And a lot more of slurs which I didnt see anyone getting banned for them

[formal silo]

That's a slur

[twin bramble]

Nazi is a slur too and no one got banned for saying it

[formal silo]

Proof it

[twin bramble]

U only need common sense to know that

And there are a lot of videos u can search to learn the origin of that term

[formal silo]

I don't see any meantion of it being consider a slur

[twin bramble]

Slurs are insults. What is a derogatory word? Explain it

[formal silo]

So old hag is a slur?

[twin bramble]

Currently its not. But it was obviously a slur in the past

[formal silo]

I watch a guy and he used the word Nazi in his video because he talking about History and shit

[twin bramble]

Who said u cant find people who uses derogatory terms/slurs to talk about stuff?

Its really common to see people using nazi bc people hates what they did, but that doesnt removes the fact its still a slur

[candid wren]

Why we trying to buff the once German tank that actually sees constant play

Also if u don’t want the rng, there is a card that discards without rng

!elite German bomber discard

[burnt yoke]

Cards found: 1

[viral pond]

sure make it not do production but then limit to once per turn

[twin bramble]

I just want to change the effect of the tank bc its too rng

And it would be better for consistency

I will delete this post and will make a suggest about the tank itself to change its rng effect to something else

[twin bramble]

RNG is a thing we must already remove from the game for all units which have special effects like this one. Bc its just stupid how it works, converting production to production again lol

[candid wren]

have you heard of this concept... called discard? Its a specialized effect that removes a random card from your hand

there has to be rng in a card game, otherwise its not a card game

if discard, sabotage or happy time targeted specific units, they would be just as op if not more than if the jagdpanzer had the randomness effect removed

[formal silo]

And develop is RNG and choose 1 of 3 elite is RNG

[twin bramble]

I swear u guys cant read what I say

Im just saying units with specific effects like jagdpanzer should not punish u for using it correctly making its effect do nothing

[twin bramble]

Thats totally fine bc it guarantees u a reward, unlike jagdpanzer

I will just gonna do another suggestion specifically about jagdpanzer to make its effect be consistent

And different to balance it

[formal silo]

So %long tom% should give like this than?

[burnt yoke]

Cards found: 1

[twin bramble]

No bc it guarantees u value

Dont u see the difference?

Converting production into production again = no value
Dealing x damage to random stuff = value guaranteed

[formal silo]

So we should remove random on %507th PIR% than?

[burnt yoke]

Cards found: 1

[twin bramble]

Bro can u read?

Serious question rn

[twin bramble]

Guarantees value bc if there are no units it buffs himself which is already guaranteed value too

[last gate]

JAGDPANZER IV already guarantees you value by not having any conditional in comparison to STUKA 87G, being the only requirements to no have it Suppressed, and have atleast one friendly unit in battle to trigger it (can be itself), its "downside" which is the rng balances it out to avoid wipping out the entire enemy hand in seconds.

[twin bramble]

Holy shit u people really cant read

How is value converting production again into production?

Im not saying to remove the rng of the card with this effect, Im saying to change the effect to solve the rng issue

[last gate]

not sure if you readed that part of the message, but it counterbalances itself to avoid wipping the whole enemy hand

[twin bramble]

And this is why I lost hope in humanity

[last gate]

if you just want that to happen and will still complain... well, thats up to you, what else can I say

[twin bramble]

.

[candid wren]

wait until he realizes that discarding a 1K cup of tea is a waste of a discard

[twin bramble]

.

I literally said to change the effect to another effect without rng or just limit the times it can convert enemy cards into production while at the same time removing the rng of it

[twin bramble]

Discarding a card is already guaranteed value

[last gate]

one point, change the damned title suggestion into "Nerf/Compensation JAGPANZER IV" So it only triggers once per turn, we are just following the first statement that it applies to ALL Convert cards which convert several cards (into themselves again)

[twin bramble]

Bro

Can u read

[twin bramble]

.

I was going to delete the post I just wanted finishing talking with princess

[candid wren]

the entire point of discard is that you spend kredits and a card to remove a card from their hand, hoping it either costs more or has more value than the card you used to discard

jagdpanzer is not afected by this, as you play it once and you dont have to spend more cards to generate more production

[twin bramble]

Incorrect, discarding cheaper cards isnt bad bc that cards can change a match easily, an example would be for freedom

[candid wren]

hence why i said value

[twin bramble]

Anyways I gonna delete the post to make what I said above

[gusty mortar]

it's a very antiquiated term of the sens of the word nazi, nobody use it to target clumsy people or peasant anymore while j-p is still used by people prejudicied against japanese, beside please stop arguing about the rule, you just can't use the word j-p on this server and what you personnaly think about the rule isn't relevant and you will be punished if you do it again

[twin bramble]

Nobody uses too the j word but yet you still punish it. Why u just dont follow the rule on equal terms? Na word shouldnt be a permited word on this server following the second rule

Im fine if thats considered a slur but if we are playing like that then apply the same to the other one bc what u said its obviously wrong. U cant just say ´´nah this one is not a slur bc I dont consider it being one but the other one yes´´ like at least be neutral with the rule and follow it on equal terms

A lot of people uses the na word to literally target people who thinks like that to the point they want that people dead, its clear its a slur + already confirmed derogatory term against the people who supports that ideology

[gusty mortar]

it's litteraly in the rule

read rule 2.1 till the end

[twin bramble]

I did. But u literally used the na word and a lot of people did it too (logs are a proof of it) and nobody got punished for using the word

Isnt that unfair and non equal following the 2nd rule? Its clear

[gusty mortar]

you should also read the begining of rule 2.1 🗿

[twin bramble]

My point is that ´´nazi´´ is a slur too so it should be a prohibited word too on the server bc of the rule u literally mentioned rn

Denying this fact is just blind fanatism towards an specific way of thinking, which is not good either in any way and its incorrect. Both words are slurs so both words should be banned

[gusty mortar]

well there is also rule 8 and I'm asking you to stop arguing the matter

[twin bramble]

Im following the 8 rule Im not continuing using that word. Dont try to avoid now the topic, bc Ik u cant argue against my statement

If we really want to ban slurs which is totally nice then the na word should be banned too from the server

[gusty mortar]

listen how would you even call them then ? that's litteraly the term every historian and scholar use to talk about them

[twin bramble]

Germans/national socialists

Same as we say communists/red socialists

Or democrats

Germans is enough to make it be understandable by everyone

And if u want to be even more precise the national socialists if we are talking about history stuff

[twin bramble]

Not bc something is used commonly it means its good. Ad populum falacy is not a valid argument, that why its a falacy lol

Not bc a lot of people smokes and nobody does nothing against it it means its correct or positive for society

[solar heron]

I'ma keep it real with you chief. You didn't know that J*p was a slur. That's not your fault, nothing wrong with not knowing that, but it also means you have no idea what you're talking about, especially on the history of 20th century slurs/names.
There is a world of difference between names used to minimize a political ideology, and names used to minimize an entire culture and ethnicity. One is a reminder of how alien some ideologies are to our humanity, and the other is inseparable from a history of xenophobia and hate crimes. That's the difference between using the word Nazi and the slur against Japanese people.

If you still dont understand, I would recommend either reading about American Japanese internment in WW2 or War Without Mercy. Both of those are very educational

[candid wren]

You can also just look at anti-Japanese propaganda posters in the US during ww2

[solar heron]

I kinda agree, but I think more of the picture is required to really see why. It's not self-evident how corrosive those images are in the context of other propaganda posters the US has made of its other enemies, and vice-versa

[burnt jacinth]

Rule 2 covers the use of modern day words that relate to insulting and deragatory meaning towards people. This is a discord that covers a game based on ww2. Nazism was a fundamental aspect of ww2 and is not considered a slur even if before ww2 it was considered offensive.
No one in the modern day is going to hear Nazi and think of someone being an idiot from Bavaria. They will think of Nazi Germany instead.
I would advise you drop this arguement entirely because it really comes off like you are trying to defend Nazis which is about the quickest way to get removed from the server. Fuck Nazis and fuck their horrific ideology. I'm not going to treat them with any respect.

Jap on the other hand is still used as a derogatory insult towards Japanese people and specifically stems from WW2 which is why we encourage not using it as several Japanese users on this discord have expressed discomfort towards it being used as short hand.

This is not up for debate either
We ask to use Jpn instead of Jap
and we will not censor Nazi because of some weird fun fact

[twin bramble]

I was afk but since this is not up for debate I will just obey what the fascist said about it. Also the fact u said Im like trying to defend them already shows how much u love making drama. I never said in any of my messages to respect what they did, idk where did u come with that conclussion but wathever. Also the ´´fun fact´´ , its not a fun fact, its called knowing history which is clear some people lacks of it here

[twin bramble]

Thx for answering with respect, much appreciated tho. I just dont know a lot about the pacific teater thats why

[burnt jacinth]

If you do not like the rules you are free to leave the server

[twin bramble]

I will see what I will do but its clear ur mind is closed more than a reinforced gate with 3 different passwords

[burnt jacinth]

Insulting is also not allowed here

[twin bramble]

U literally said I was trying to defend nazis, so u tell me who insulted who

[burnt jacinth]

I’d advise dropping this holier then tho thing

Your argument is in extremely bad faith using some local Bavarian insult as a reason the ww2 server needs to censor Nazi
What reason do you have to even bring that up? Even if it’s just a coincidence it’s common sense Nazi = the Nazi party in a ww2 server

[twin bramble]

U said above to not continue the topic, so I will just do that bc its a waste of time to talk with u about history, so have a good day

[jaunty topaz]

<@&372768222501535745> it seems the convorsation steered from the main point of changing the german 3k 4/4 convert tank

[burnt jacinth]

Actually I would like you to explain your reasoning now.
Why are you using this very unknown fact to try to get people to not use Nazi? Because no one else has ever had this issue of thinking Nazi was being used a slur against Bavarian peasants. It seems suspicious you are trying to stop people from using Nazi

Where does the confusion come up as people talk about Nazi Germany

Especially as your discord name is also ssenjoyer_1_04095

Seems a bit coincidental for that to be your username and then this argument comes up