Buff ideas for Heinkel HE 219

[upbeat linden]

As the title says, I suggest that the passive effect of this plane should be tweaked to make it better, technically is the only "guard" for germany to use but the damage it can does when a ground unit attacks the HQ is so little it not that great.

So I suggest 3 ideas:
1- the most simple is to rise its damage from 1 to 2, so there is more pressure and punishment for passive damage related units.
2- changing the "ground unit" to all enemy units so that even planes can even trigger the 1 dmg effect. (hidden condition: it won't trigger if its the same effect from an enemy heinkel he 219)
3- same as the 2nd option but with a little more damage.

I'm aware of some friendly ground units (japanese and soviets) that can damage your HQ and trigger the effect if we follow the vanilla effect and 1st option, I've tried it and is so inconsistent to try it, that is not worth the effort to build a deck around that effect.

[merry pelican]

Ok so am pretty sure why there is a ground limit in the first place is to prevent the situation of two HE 219 infinite loop

[keen iron]

'when a unit attacks your hq, deal one damage to the unit and the enemy hq' then make it 5 kredits

[keen iron]

Although that sounds a little like an elite unit

[upbeat linden]

that sounds elite yeah

[keen iron]

We could make it something like this

[keen iron]

Except yeah

[upbeat linden]

an effect I was thinking for a unit

would be "when an enemy unit attacks a friendly unit, it recieves 2 damage"

but it would like rising the counter damage it recieves

[keen iron]

That would also have to be elite

[upbeat linden]

obviously

[keen iron]

!takes 3 damage first

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[upbeat linden]

yeah, that one is quite crazy if you do not have robust units

or antiair orders

[upbeat linden]

in any case the effect wouldn't trigger if the damage was from another enemy heinkel

as a hidden condition

(edited it so it is clear)

[merry pelican]

oh alright

[keen iron]

I feel like rising the damage to 2k would start to feel like another shibata

[upbeat linden]

well, thats the idea but agains jaggro, blitz tanks and commandos

not like you cannot hit it

[merry pelican]

isn't that what we want tho, we are buffing it after all. And compared to Shibata this is way less oppressive

[upbeat linden]

at the end of the day, as I've said it works as a pseudo guard

you can ignore it if you know what you are doing

with enough damage you can burst the enemy HQ before the heinkel does wear you off

[drifting trout]

!T-35

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[drifting trout]

Some did SD with German Ally for this

[upbeat linden]

thats the point, you can technically use it like that, but it is not practical at all, also I did never saw an self damage german soviet/japan deck besides one video on YT

not sure if that was a thing back in the day but I don't see how could it be useful

instead it could work more like a passive defense/offense unit

[drifting trout]

I had a deck that I used to FM back then

[upbeat linden]

mh, not gonna lie that looks like a really cool way to use it, but again I didn't saw much of those, instead soviet mains use 34th guards and stand together to get very powerful tanks.

never saw the self damage deck with a heinkel

[verbal zealot]

I understand why the suggestion but I don't think it's a good idea

Heinkel is not a very popular card, but it is oversttated. You're getting 5k efficiency if you proc the effect once

For stats alone, it's a good card. The only reason people don't play it is because of that fighter that operates for free, which is absolutely busted

Otherwise, I'd say it's a pretty no brainer addition as an anti-bomber card

[merry pelican]

I think you very much over look the 2 op costs here. 2 op is a huge chunk each turn even for a 4/5. And no, the reason its not use isn't because of Zerstorer, the damn thing has been in the game long enough and is rarely used ever since its release, proving itself to be rather mediocre piece

[verbal zealot]

I'm just comparing it to other fighters with the same cost

!4k fighters

[drifting trout]

Aunt Frieda Zerstörer

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[drifting trout]

But it's limited in play

Very few

[verbal zealot]

!4k japan fighter

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[verbal zealot]

All but the dragon Slayer have the worse stats and operate the same

!4k us fighters

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[verbal zealot]

!4k Soviet fighters

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[verbal zealot]

!me bf 110

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[verbal zealot]

!mig

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[verbal zealot]

!la 5

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[verbal zealot]

!la-5

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[verbal zealot]

So the problem isn't that Heinkel is weak but rather that 4k fighters are in a tough spot in the current meta. They all operate for 2k and deal about 4dmg (some are stronger some are weaker)

[limber sapphire]

And ki

[drifting trout]

If they really want to make it good I'd just say make it any damage so Self Damage can theoretically get some use on it

Bloody Sickle, Winter Warfare etc.

[verbal zealot]

Same card

[verbal zealot]

That's a good direction

[drifting trout]

Currently the only ones getting use on Heinkel HE 219 is just T-35, SU-76M and 95th Rifle Regiment

There was also an OTK with Ha-Go but that literally sucks

[drifting trout]

At least with that, you're getting some revenge chip damage to the enemy HQ each time you play Sickle, Winter Warfare or Red Dawn

[verbal zealot]

And by combining SU w/ DE you're giving up healing in order to bank on more damage, so it's a good change qualitatively without breaking the card

[keen iron]

!heinkel

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[keen iron]

Odd that this is same rarity but no effect

Now that I see it in context it doesn't really need a buff

You know what needs a nerf tho?

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[verbal zealot]

Yes

[limber sapphire]

No the 6/5