Rework some veterans units

[brisk epoch]

And other thing is Idk why BT-7 1937 is 4 turns and I understand but I feel like it should be either 3 or 2

And the ability is deadly yes but if you got to wait 4 turns and with a body of 2-3 do you really want it not really

And Bt-7 1937 can be come veteran when you fight a two unit
The regulars can be deploy this unit if you have unit with 3 op cost your HQ is immune on your turn and it cost 4k or 6k

[calm pollen]

!266th guard

[hollow latch]

Cards found: 2

[calm pollen]

!22nd guards

[hollow latch]

Cards found: 2

[brisk epoch]

14th GUARD RIFLES I think should have either all your unit are unable to be retreat other option is suppress other one is first card you play this turn gain Blitz

[calm pollen]

Geez that would be crazy with some veteran triggers

!14th guards

[hollow latch]

Search language: EN. No cards found...

[calm pollen]

!14th guard

[hollow latch]

Cards found: 2

[calm pollen]

!the regulars

[hollow latch]

Cards found: 2

[brisk epoch]

Yes but you got to think about it comes out on turn 4 or 3 but than you might not see it trigger why it get destroy and why it's take 6-7 turn to into veteran

[calm pollen]

!bt-7 1937

[hollow latch]

Cards found: 2

[brisk epoch]

Do you see my point or my option on it

[calm pollen]

I'm just making the commands so ppl can see it properly

[brisk epoch]

yea

[calm pollen]

I agree about this one

[calm pollen]

And this one

[calm pollen]

And maybe this one

Better veteran bodies would prolly be better for them

[brisk epoch]

2-3 body and wait 4 turns is shit

[calm pollen]

The first two are good as is tho

[brisk epoch]

but passive is good

[calm pollen]

Very true, never seen anyone play the card
Maybe a higher defense would be good for the veteran version
Or just make it 2-3 turns

[calm pollen]

Meant to reply to this

[brisk epoch]

Second one I never seen ever why you play it and it's a 2-5 and it going get destroy by from hammer or firebomb and so yea

or est

[brisk epoch]

and fight 2 units might be easyier to trigger than a 2-3 body

[calm pollen]

The thing with that card is that you're not really supposed to wait 3 turns, you're supposed to trigger them with other units (like the first one you mentioned)

[brisk epoch]

There a lot of ways to remove 3 health units and yes I understand

but if you not going with US or USSR than your fuck

[calm pollen]

But the point is you're supposed to run those cards in a veteran deck with soviet main

So saying that they're not good outside of that is irrelevant

[brisk epoch]

I have seen Germany veterans deck with Uk

Sometimes on ladder

[calm pollen]

That's true should be German main for the %6/6 elite veteran% units

[hollow latch]

Cards found: 4

[brisk epoch]

!germany veteran

[hollow latch]

Cards found: 20, showing 1 - 5

[brisk epoch]

If you look and the second unit those you get a +2 +1 if you go with Germany

buff on vets

[calm pollen]

Yup

[brisk epoch]

So yea

[calm pollen]

Good suggestion
Very unplayed cards (especially the regulars), perhaps a buff improvement would make them playable

[brisk epoch]

I really never seen USSR veteran decks

[calm pollen]

Hmm

Nobody really plays veteran decks anyway

But they'd normally be Germany/soviet

[brisk epoch]

Yea and that's my other reason to why second one need a buff

I never seen Soviet/Uk only once in a blue moon

It's like one of my other Fav cards %gambit% need a buff

[hollow latch]

Cards found: 1

[calm pollen]

Reserved

Pretty sure

[brisk epoch]

It's not

[calm pollen]

Never mind then

Pretty big downside to that gambit card no wonder I've never seen it then

[brisk epoch]

Yes and it's Elite

[subtle wharf]

Most of these suggestions are actually really good

266 guard rifles for 5k is a matter of necessity at this point.

22 guards brigade, believe it or not, I think is fine as is. Could maybe use some extra defense.

14th guard rifles should either have guard by default or be 5/8 by default.

The regulars are fine in terms of what triggers the veteran but I think the order should change. In my opinion, it should be an order that repairs instead of the current one.

BT-7 is fine as is. Matter of fact, if anything, I'd give blitz to the veteran version.

This is coming from the tests I did with veteran decks with Germany, UK, USSR and all their combinations. I'm currently testing the American combinations

[frosty cliff]

The older veteran stuff is definitely not good but the question has to be asked of what is accomplished through buffing them.
Is the intention to make it a whole deck? If so are we aiming for midrange, control, or aggro? As the various veterans support all 3 angles it's hard to envision such a deck coming from them even if buffed

[brisk epoch]

Midrage or control or aggro depends on which way you want put them in

[frosty cliff]

and that is the hard thing because a lot of the tools for veterans are actually kinda aggressive
It's a keyword that is split to be across so many different archetypes that trying to like make a coherent deck is IMO nearly impossible with the current pool

[brisk epoch]

Yea

[frosty cliff]

Just in my 2 cents I think veteran is better as a keyword that maybe is a package in certain decks but otherwise is better used in a manner similar to like ambush or blitz or whatever

[brisk epoch]

Yea

Like The regulars can be put somewhere else and 14th guard need put somewhere and other 2 need sometype of fix

[frosty cliff]

exactly
Buffing all the cards doesn't mean they fit into a deck well together
I would say a new expansion is needed if you really wanted a veteran deck to be focused and functional

[brisk epoch]

Yea

[frosty cliff]

at least for slower decks
The Panzer IIC and various Ger/Sov veterans is something one can at least have fun with

[brisk epoch]

I meaning like first 2 need a bit of a fix like turn 6 to turn all units into veteran is powerful but 6k I think 5k might be better and 2th one buff and other 2 can fit into other decks

Why 3th one has nothing but guard in the veteran mode

I never seen the 3th or 4th ones much

[frosty cliff]

14th and Regulars both just kinda suck but I can't really see a way to make them good enough tbh

[brisk epoch]

and first 2 bit of small buff

[frosty cliff]

266th could probably be 5K but you would have to like get more large veterans and rework current ones to like help it work

[brisk epoch]

yea

3th could be like any units attack this unit pin them or something else that fits with Soviet new Archatype

and 4th one can fit into 3 op cost decks or other stuff

[brisk epoch]

I don't think so why if it like sub type or it comes back from the gravels in minor updates over time

[frosty cliff]

well that is what I mean
If you want like a control or midrange veteran deck it probably needs a full on expansion to focus on it

[brisk epoch]

I mean not a full on deck but few buffs and one rework to veterans

[frosty cliff]

which I don't think would do anything is what I'm getting at

like if you buff 266th to 5K it still won't be useful

[brisk epoch]

Yea if they do that do that when there a lot of veterans units

Or there could be a deck

[brisk epoch]

This need text to

[olive loom]

i think 266th would be useful if it becomes veteran on deployment

but then again that kinda takes away from how veterans work?

mabe give countdown units smokescreen on default? lol

[brisk epoch]

Some veteran from brother need text and one need a full on rework

[rustic tulip]

the real issue with countdown units is that they're way too slow

sure you could put smokescreen on em but ur still giving your opponent like 3 turns to counter

[olive loom]

i think british guard could be become veteran if you control an air unit

and soviet could be become veteran if you uh hq is below 15?

[rustic tulip]

possible

most of the good veteran cards imo are the ones that you can activate at your own pace

or has really good effects

like 12th mechanized or panzer iv-j

7. schutzen too

[steady thistle]

i think the main issue with the veteran units is not their text or anything, but rather how painfully slow it is

the only remotely viable (imo) veteran activator is 266th which is 6k

most veteran units have pretty absurd text needed to turn veteran without an activator especially in todays meta

we just need some cheaper activating options for these veteran units and maybe itll be viable

(266th, panzer iv H, and panzer IIC is a very fun combo when paired with the panzer I if anyone wants to try that)

[steady thistle]

(very slow and unviable too)

[subtle wharf]

Veterans is midrange

The only way to play control veterans is with Germany, and there's no way to play aggro veterans

I think it's a good idea to make the cards viable. No pure veterans deck is ever good, but a few synergies between veterans and other archetypes should make it good enough support