Neft duress

[solemn knot]

Make it so 1K or 2K why 0K to suppress a unit is stupid and other cards don't have that

I get piss playing vs it

[thorn summit]

yeah i'm kinda baffled on how it's a free "remove any special text AND buffs" for 0k is kinda weird

I mean cancelling buffs AND special effects AND keywords is just awfully strong actually

[solemn knot]

!duress

[potent tulip]

Cards found: 1

[solemn knot]

Yup I hate it

[solemn knot]

Yup and it's piss me so off and destroy my rank

shit

[thorn summit]

Yeah, it's kinda too good for a 0k

[solemn knot]

Yea

[true wyvern]

Yeah, no. It's an alright card but there r only a couple decks u'd actually want it in. The cost of a card itself is a huge deal

[hollow lava]

It doesnt solve any threat on the board immediately

[fading moth]

I feel like adding suppression to Germany was a bad idea tho, the whole point was that it was kind of limited to America, and that makes up for it

I feel like 1k is fair tho

[hollow lava]

We got 0K USACE to give infantry or tank +1+1

[thorn summit]

The same could be said for all cards.
It has very high power by itself for free.

You can remove ATK/DEF bonuses, special effects passive on the board, destruction ones, any special status (hello Guard, Ambush, Smokescreen)

It's kind of an universal card

[hollow lava]

So I guess it is fair when you can also cancel the buff with a 0k card

[thorn summit]

yeah that's the closest of a good card next to Duress, but it's not as good

[thorn summit]

You cancel buffs give, but also any special effect.
You basically nerf the ennemy kard while removing any extra bonuses

Extra stats from a combo/order ? Gone
Passive effect from your kard ? Gone
Keyword ? Gone
Heavy armor ? Gone

That's a lot for a 0k

!no retreat

[potent tulip]

Cards found: 1

[soft oxide]

It’s been said many times before but at a certain point the deck space is way more valuable than this card. Top level sees very little play outside of tourney tech and specific decks.

Generally your better running the M10 for the body

[thorn summit]

!0k

[potent tulip]

Cards found: 25, refusing to show anything, please make a more precise search request.

[thorn summit]

!0k order

[potent tulip]

Cards found: 18, showing 1 - 5

[thorn summit]

ah yeah but those are the research one, forgot that

[true wyvern]

Yes, all cards r cards, but that's not the point. The point is that duress is really light. It's cheap, but not a proper removal. So basically its main use is in really fast or gimmicky decks to remove the guard effects. Other than that, u r better off putting more impactfull cards in ur deck. So it's not an universal card at all. In slower decks for e.g. u want something way higher impact than that for ur spot.

Like hell, in normal frontline m10 is just better than duress.

[soft oxide]

This. No upper tier FL I’ve seen outside of ladder tech runs the order it’s not got the value

[true wyvern]

It's for pizzaagro, jet, maybe jpn-usa aggro etc.

[soft oxide]

Agreed very much a situational call

[thorn summit]

M10 is good, i like it.
Having a litteral free suppress for 0k is just a free middle-finger in your deck at any moment besides 'i got to keep that card in hand"

M10 is better but costs 3k, that's the qualm i have with it

It's fair

[true wyvern]

But it's not literal free, it's free Kred wise. The spots matter.

[thorn summit]

The slot always matter, but it allows you way more flexibility

Want to bypass this guard unit ? You got to spend 3k and keep enough to do the rest.
Or
Use Duress for free

🤷

[true wyvern]

Flexibility in what? To hit ur opponent with a unit? Have late game sustain? Supress is a really specific role player

[thorn summit]

Duress deletes any passive you might have the idea of using, and that's pretty strong

Skytrain ? Gone
Jap "2dmg per allied destroyed" ? Now useless for 0k
Panther D ? Just a weaker tank now

The fact it removes ATK/DEF/op cost buffs, keywords, special effects is a lot

[soft oxide]

It’s very possible this card is more of an issue outside of where I am at season to season but I can say with considerable certainty it’s not a well played card on ladder

[thorn summit]

Yeah, we are are different areas, just like when climbing the ladder, i did adapt at times as player's mentality evolved

Duress doesn't feel as oppressive as Monsoon rot + SS, but it's a free "make a kard much more useless" for 0k, and will usually screw up massively some combos

[true wyvern]

Yes, but the raw body is alright and is still an issue. If ur deck is not incredibly fast, u r better off with running actual removal to deal with panther d and other big threats with which u'd remain neutral cards wise and prob gain an advantage in terms of what's left in the deck (or even kred wise depending on a removal) than figuring out how to replace still going down a card (bc something is still left on the board). And in a fast deck? Having to deal with the d mostly happens if the situation is already horrid and u r unlikely to win anyways. So that's not really why u run it.
There is no jpn unit as u describe the time of writing this.
Skytrain isn't really worth to run in anything rn, so why tech for it
etc.

[faint oxide]

Duress isnt even that good

You can just use m10a1 for the same thing

And you get a free body

[thorn summit]

!1st signal

[potent tulip]

Cards found: 1

[thorn summit]

Yeah it's 1, and it's 2 healing for the soviet equivalent

[solemn knot]

Yup and if you're out of stuff to do than you use to cc a card

[true wyvern]

Like... u'd generally use it to remove the guard from a unit, occasionally some annoying effects, but in the wast majority of cases, that's just worse then straight up removing a unit. So the question becomes, in what scenario does it worth to run it just bc it's dirt cheap? And the answer to it is not many. As mentioned earlier, that doesn't really matters for ramp and control.It could matter for aggro and midrange, but for midrange, u'd also want to conserve cards, so the 2 for 1 of m10 is just better even if it's pricey. Otherwise u r just way more likely to dry out and it doesn't really matter if some effect is gone if u have no hand to capitalise on the matter.

[true wyvern]

I'm aware of the card, and it's in fact does not do what u described in the msg I was answering to.

[solemn knot]

I had it suppress my unit that was 4K deal 3 damage when it came veteran

[thorn summit]

As i corrected, 1 dmg to HQ / destroyed allied unit

[solemn knot]

or your own bf 110 zer

and than add buff to it

!bf 110 zer

[potent tulip]

Cards found: 1

[thorn summit]

Yeah, you can destroy a unit.
That involves cost most of the time.
Want to get that Autokanone (even though soon reserved)? You better save some cash and hope no buffs come on it.
Want to get rid of that Heinkell 115 ? Duress and you got a lame bomber now

[solemn knot]

So a 4-4 cost 0 to attack and you buff it and you can do it for free and that's a other thing

[true wyvern]

Countering something bad does not make a case for it being too strong.

[thorn summit]

Yes Duress does only one thing, and it's suppress
But this suppress is very good and cost 0k

That's my issue

[solemn knot]

my to

[thorn summit]

I would 100% be okay with a 0k that cancel buffs, and remove keywords

A stat reset + a slight to mid nerf on a unit

Alongside the special effect of a kard anywhere on the map, meh

[solemn knot]

I fucking seen it 2 times now so I hate it

It's like a 6-6 with blize that has a op cost 1 and cost 2

[faint oxide]

What

[solemn knot]

Yea

So I know what I am doing no buff or est that's not have a devoment effect

[gray crag]

It’s fine at 0k only otk decks and jet play it

It’s important to realize how big of a deal taking up a card slot is