#We need to talk about Shibata…

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torn burrow
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We must discuss shibata more

wheat bough
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it's never enoufh

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enough

lofty junco
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No reason to

terse wyvern
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they get locked if there's drama in it, or if the post contains no actual suggestion. This is a well-argued post and the discussion has also been mostly fruitful

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Going for very long does illustrate that a lot of people think current Shibata isn't sustainable long term

teal portal
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fr as long as people have thing to say and are civil about it there is no reason to stop it

restive spire
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||pretend this sentence is extremely uncivil||

dawn path
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Bro keep it to yourself

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No one else wants to know

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Shut up

restive spire
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we did it chat

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lock the threadLad

restive spire
dawn path
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I can't believe the nerve of some people

clever copper
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You do realise that

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He's filled with DETERMINATION.

tough crypt
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I will find you and explain why profanity isn’t allowed on the christian kards server

dawn path
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Christian 🤣🤣

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?

clever copper
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We're did you get Christian from. Like respect to your religion if that's the case

terse wyvern
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It's a meme

clever copper
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Oh

terse wyvern
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As in "swearing is not allowed on my Christian Minecraft server" and then an image of shredded Winnie the Pooh

tough crypt
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Lol

clever copper
terse wyvern
tough crypt
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And save!

clever copper
terse wyvern
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But also 1/5 Kards main nations had Christianity as state religion Hello

clever copper
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Oh which is that

tough crypt
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Probably england and America

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But thats just a guess

terse wyvern
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England yeah

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Anglican Church

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The US is formally secular although is majority Christian and completely dominated by Christians in government

dawn path
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How did this go from shibata to religion

neat trellis
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It's sad to see how the developers don't care about their players and ignore their pain points.

terse wyvern
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Keep in mind that there is a balance patch also coming with the expansion, the changes in that haven't been announced yet

raven wing
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It’s cyclical and has to be from any design and implementation perspective. I’d be surprised if we don’t see a change later this month but we all need to be patient. Bear in mind CCGs usually run in at best quarterly cycles

white knot
# restive spire

This doesnt even belong to the thread, thats just spreading racism

spark summit
restive spire
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suprised this thread is not locked

clever copper
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If only I had the "I sentence you to play france" Gif

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Then I would be able to do a funny

lofty junco
teal portal
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hmmm based

dawn path
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France ain't that bad 🥺

broken plume
tough crypt
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Try france in warthunder

torn burrow
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France war thunder isn’t that bad

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They have some good things

tough crypt
torn burrow
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And a bunch of US tanks

tough crypt
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8.0 france is bliss though

torn burrow
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1.3 France is good

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You have ridiculous armour

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It’s very hard to kill you

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Even reserve France has armour going for it

tough crypt
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Fine play the fcm36

torn burrow
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I did

tough crypt
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With the aphe?

torn burrow
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No, APCR

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I don’t have APHE on it

tough crypt
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I sentence you to aphe

tough crypt
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cos it had 19mm of pen

torn burrow
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Everyone shits on low tier France, but it’s not that bad

tough crypt
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They probably still remember the old france lineup

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The old 1.0s before being buffed and removed

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The h.35 i think its called with 10mm armour 8 second reload for 34mm of pen

torn burrow
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I think Germany might be one of the worst reserve tiers

tough crypt
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Nah that goes to italy now

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Until you get the good autocanon belts you have less than 30mm of pen

torn burrow
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After you get the full AP belts Italy isn’t that bad

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Autocannons are good at low tier

tough crypt
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not too bad its a shame their old reserve are 1.7 and up

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m42/43 my beloved

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That 47mm gun packed a punch

torn burrow
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That was reserve?

tough crypt
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Yes

torn burrow
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Damn

tough crypt
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There was 2 reserve ones

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The yellow and grey one

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Then there was one with 50mm of armour at 1.7 which is 2.0 now

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then the premium which was also 2.0 but it got moved to 2.3 cos it has a .50 cal

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Italy went from best to being one of the weaker

teal portal
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that's it

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well now top tier too since we have leopard 🔥

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bat chad may be 9.0 soon who know lmao

teal portal
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having to aim for weak spot on panzer III and bt 7 is a mood for sure

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you also arrive to ludicrous situation like "nah this panzer II is too armored I can't kill him"

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wich is something

tough crypt
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gotta aim for panzer 2 weakspot

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if its the first panzer 2 i think you can front pen at point blank

teal portal
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there isn't any point when it's facing you where you can kill lmaooooo

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at least the armor of the fcm 36 is pretty good

tough crypt
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yeah 30mm slightly angled with the angled plate going towards the lower glacious

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turret extremly slim so can angle it slightly

teal portal
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my french 1.7 line up is funny

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I have the prenium event plane with the big canon

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the prenium armored car who suck ass

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and the fmc2cbis wich is super funny

white knot
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When the shibata discussion is so boring that the thread turns into war thunder forum (just pls, dont post classified documents)

keen tangle
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Thats because shibata isnt a creative or intriguing unit

rugged ferry
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It is strong but I would say not broken strong. Jap units doing 2 damage on death is just as strong. I have faced them with commando decks and over all you can cope with it.

white knot
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Yeah and also

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Meta evolved a lot

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Its much more unit based

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And i dont think blood and iron is going to change that

teal portal
rugged ferry
rugged ferry
amber jetty
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How about change it to 2 cost, 2 operation cost, 2 attack, 3 defense?

terse wyvern
rugged ferry
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OK man

brazen iron
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Man still people complain about Shibata?

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Just use high cost strong cards, works every time

languid cliff
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Pak 40 has truly been the best anti-shibata card

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I run all three copies and it slaps

dawn path
unreal merlin
dawn path
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People who don't play Germany ally; 😭😭😭😭

languid cliff
rugged ferry
# brazen iron Man still people complain about Shibata?

'Just run this' is the most obnoxious answer to any of these problems. The idea we should all be running the same deck and same cards all the time is just dumb. Why do the bother making decks for varied play
They should just duplicate the deck that wins the next tournament and we should all just play with that.
If you run all high cost cards you will get minced by anyone running agro.
So what your suggesting solves one problem and creates an even bigger one.

brazen iron
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Wait till I introduce bro to irony

keen tangle
brazen iron
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Eh, fair enough.

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The text wall was crazy though

broken plume
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There are more comments here than in the nerf Monty one

vale wing
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conclusion: monty should return unnerfed

raven wing
granite vortex
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this card definitly needs a nerf, it's the sole reason why there's so many Jaggro decks at top tier, it's the only thing I fight nowadays, plus we already have a card with the exact same mechannic but at cost of 5 and it's a 4/5 making it very balanced already. this? this is just bullying

lofty junco
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You can make a jaggro deck without a single copy of shibata in it and it's still going to be good. There has always been jaggro around and it's not going to change with a shibata nerf

granite vortex
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there has always been jaggro indeed, but it was way more fun and manageable to fight, now, if you really want to even try and counter them you need to be sure you got a god hand that can take care of it as soon as it comes out before he places 4 of them

white knot
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jaggro with shibata is much slower

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many decks dont play much orders and against them shibata is just useless

granite vortex
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guess I'm the guy with too many orders

shy quail
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Yeah, I can run slow alpine vs Shibata Jaggro and win maybe 50-50.

To me, this is way more fun, though I'll concede also harder.

Old Jaggro has been described as a "slot machine." Very predictable and either you have the cards for it or you don't.

I find this version of Jaggro has interesting decisions to make with harsh penalties right away if you chose the wrong one.

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Old Jaggro was just blitz infantry until one base dies. Very tedious

dapper ridge
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Pack your bags ladies

dawn path
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Finally lesgo

white knot
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WE TALKED ABOUT SHIBATA

fierce pivot
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1000+ message thread too, well done

languid cliff
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New record

dawn path
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This will be remembered as a legendary discussion

fallow sleet
unreal merlin
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Hear me out. It deals 1 damage to enemy HQ except it deals 2 when the order causes damage Lad

gilded stratus
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So, put Jasco on the board and enjoy you orders 🇺🇸

torn burrow
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Jasco good again?

languid cliff
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Jasco now anti-shibata

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Based

torn burrow
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Oh wait, isn’t skytrain getting rotated?

rugged ferry
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See if it still sees play. Increasing it's cost might have been a better nerf.

torn burrow
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Its going to see play

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Low commitment order punishment, that could be useful in almost any situation

rugged ferry
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Except to the Japanese. Just revert back to Jaggro because 2 damage suicide units are quicker. Out of Shibatta and the units that burn you on the way out. I'd rather face Shibata personally.

torn burrow
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What if we put both in the same deck

rugged ferry
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OK so the game is in psyco stonewall mode today.
Played 9 Draft games. Each time the opponent had the perfect response in hand for everything in my hand. Some times came away without dealing any damage.
That's just not possible vs human players.
Games a swindle.

granite vortex
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oh same, every draft I just can't make a normal deck, I started with countermeasure and ended with an Ger/Brit air deck for some reason, only 1 victory

unreal merlin
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@rugged ferry @granite vortex why post here? None of these are shibata related

granite vortex
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I dunno, he said something and I answered, didn't check what post this was tbh

teal portal
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also that's very much possible you lost everything against human lol

willow delta
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Shibata stole my lunch money today and called my mom gay 😔

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And made me lose in draft

ocean river
rugged ferry
teal portal
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I dunno what to tell you it can happen lol

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especially since draft is a more competitive mod than construct

unreal merlin
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if you know their username, you can just report it and they'll look up the match detail

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time and date helpful also

teal portal
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just no

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please don't report people because they can't possibly have beat you since you are so good so they must cheat lmao

unreal merlin
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you talk like cheating isn't possible in online video games

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😛

teal portal
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my opponant got lucky in one game isn't cheating proof lol

terse wyvern
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it is, and cheating does occur in Kards, but "I lost to 9 different cheaters in a row" in draft isn't very plausible

pine ocean
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people who say that their opponents are “cheating” because they “have all the answers” never would consider the times when they themselves have all the answers, cause why complain when things go your way?

white knot
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If someone flips a coin and it lands on tails 5 times in a row, are they cheating?

pine ocean
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no way you can land 5 tails in a row

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witchcraft! sorcery!

keen tangle
white knot
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It is really small

keen tangle
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not to small

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its like 3%?

white knot
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But the number of KARDS games played every day is really huge

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Really unlikely things can and WILL happen if you have lots of time and tries

rugged ferry
spark summit
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Thank you 1939

shy quail
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As a rule most people struggle with conceptualizing probabilities in practice.

People tend to mistake randomness and evenness

People underestimate probabilities below 50% and overestimate above 50%

Etc

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I know for myself I was really suspicious of the Commonwealth card's placement in the deck a while ago until I ran some tests against the AI and found it was fine.

rugged ferry
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But a life long CCG player would guesstimate better than most right.
Can a chess player tell when he is playing a BOT.
Damn right they can.

white knot
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CCGs are dependant on RNG, chess is not

shy quail
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Those with poor performance that have played life long are probably below average

fierce pivot
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<@&372768222501535745> This thread has well and truly derailed

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shoo, people

solid mortar
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locked

limber basin
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Shibata didn't need a nerf
And no one can argue with me about it KEKW