#NO TO DECK STEALING FEATURE

1 messages · Page 1 of 1 (latest)

feral epoch
#

The coming feature of stealing opponent s' decks are detrimental to game experiences and the game as a whole, here's why:

  1. The meta is limited for each version. Normally after an update it will take time for it to reach the new equilibrium (become stale) With deck stealing feature this process would be greatly accelerated which force more frequent updates( Not recommended) or staler meta.
  2. THE VAST MAJORITY of players( me included) consider their custom decks as own creations and do not wish them to be stolen without consent
  3. This feature would force Competitive players to test their "secret weapon" in friendlies which is inconvenient.
  4. I don't think similar games in the market has this strange feature
  5. This feature along with new battle ready decks(which in itself is a good thing) gives players with low skill/experience but a large collection (I.e. p2w)a big edge over more experienced players with small collection. Maybe a strategic move but not one I would appreciate.
  6. This feature kills element-of-surprise decks which are exactly the fun decks you wish to promote.
    All in all I think this is not a good idea. My suggestion would be removing it or LIMITING IT TO UNRANKED
    Sincerely
    AYIM
severe dawn
#

what about giving players the ability to switch it off for particular decks? I.E. I don;t care about you seeing my US frontline (as ever one is using the same), but I want my soviet self damage control to be secret.

rustic sluice
#

👍

storm burrow
#

yes to deck copying, the known world already does it anyway
and honestly it wouldn't really change things that much

maiden narwhal
#

What is this??
Why?
This is a card game, why I build my deck and then need to share to everyone?

#

What is the logic?

cobalt grotto
#

I think 1939 should add a button like streaming mode in the option.
Keep secret is a player's right.

maiden narwhal
#

I build every decks, think it, test it everyday, and then one or two copy button then steal my hard work result???

#

Do you know how many times(days) and workload to build,test,review and adjust again and again?

#

And then tell me everyone can steal it after one game?

#

Tell me it is joke only, please🙏

maiden kraken
#

It is a joke.

Now obviously that's not true but I hope it makes you feel better

fluid bloom
#

Yes to new feature that will make more people happy than unhappy.
As soon as you queue up a game, you accept consciously or not that the deck you play will be seen by your opponent and that they have every right to copy what they see and build the rest from there. At the end of the day, people play what they like to play so if you're worried about your exact list being copied, just know that most people who will copy your deck will disagree on some cards and play their own version of the deck

cobalt grotto
#

Deck stealing will lead to two contrary situations.
The circulation speed of decks will increase to counter the current meta. Maybe that is the 1939 designer's thought. 🤔
Another is most of the players waiting to steal others' creative ideas without their thinking.
Which one will be the future I think everyone is clear about it.

solemn remnant
#

Change to copy random half🤣 🤣 🤣

night jacinth
#

I'll say only this - if this thread gets 50,000 people saying they don't like the feature 1939 will ignore it and do fuck all because they always know best 😀

maiden narwhal
#

A card game without thinking, hard working, and then just sit and steal stronger players hard work result is unhealthy for a card game
also the most important point is it is absolutely unfair to those players pay hard work and someone who want to play tournaments.

#

Or climb top something in the ladder

#

This is absolutely ridiculous,ridiculous and ridiculous!

#

Is that all people in school can copy classmates homework and get high result is a good thing?

#

Tell me is this your school teach you to copy your classmates homework?

#

Don't punish hard work players and encourage people more lazy, it makes the game truely sucks!

waxen mural
#

This is 100% something you need to be able to activate or not

#

Sure go ahead steal my beriev otk 🗿

waxen mural
#

If you want a deck you can go on the website and/or come socialise here

#

Here it will just make the deck diversity issue even worst

solemn remnant
#

Bro wants to be pioneers💀, I respect them. But the ability to build decks is an important part of a player's level in a tcg game, and 1939 wants to nerf that, and I hope they already have thought about making up for it in other parts.

waxen mural
#

Since everyone will be able to get all the good list effortlesly

waxen mural
#

Truly a day to be remembered

#

I'm all for sharing deck but I want to choose with who I share them

#

The discard emote spammer cant get my list smh

solemn remnant
safe galleon
#

This game is not like Clash Royale, where the timing and release location of the cards are all the difference. In fact, when the win rate control system is taken out of the equation, deck building determines most of the wins and losses in KARDS, perhaps 70%-80%. Just look at draft, a good build can help you get 7 wins easily, and 4-5 bad cards will leave you untiled in key rounds and you lose the whole game. Giving away a deck is actually bringing victory to your opponent. This is humorous in a game where players compete fiercely to win. This feature can be added, but the opinions of the deck owners must be respected. Otherwise, it's like any player could click the "Surrender" button for the opponent.
I think the best solution is to let players choose whether or not to share their decks with their opponents in their personal settings. This allows players who like to make friends to share their decks with more people, as well as delight players who are looking for victory and uniqueness.

woeful thicket
#

No F'n way!! Are you serious @feral epoch ?
I'm totally on all your points 💯
This game is turning into a circus ride.
No strategy but, spin the wheel. Total Random results as well sometimes.
Big points you mentioned:

  • Stealing the homecrafters ideas
  • Completely negating strategy.
    Your point #6 nails the whole enchilada on this castraphe.
    What games does this?
    Mize well just say, Flip a coin. Hey you Win! or You lose! before even playing.
    Crazy.. someone is bored upstairs somewhere with the devs.
solemn remnant
#

And "8. It conflicts with their own deck sales program"🤣 🤣 🤣

waxen mural
#

the point of the deck sales is that if you don't have any of the cards

#

it's good value

woeful thicket
#

This news to me is an absolute disaster!!
How bout if whoever is so bored in the devs dept. want to F around with this (because their probably playing ANOTHER GAME ANYWAYS, THAT'S OBVIOUS)

#

@night jacinth Man YOU GOT THAT RIGHT. It's turning into somekind of Cult. Scary

waxen mural
#

?

solemn remnant
waxen mural
#

I'm not a fan of the concept but you get good cards for the price ngl

woeful thicket
#

I'm not going to lie; I honestly thought the deck swapping was an 'IN MATCH" feature (kard or something)..
But now reading into it further I see what it's intention is. Still ..... H e l l no way with this idea. All AndYet options still stand with me 100%
I do like the feature of being able to pull your last 3 matches and ask to be friends. I 've thought about that many times.

waxen mural
#

you used to be able to add friend with a button at the end of the match

#

but it was removed years ago

woeful thicket
waxen mural
#

I add less interaction in game since they removed it

#

I used to chat with some people with the ingame chat

#

nowaday I exclusively use it when practicing with some friend to not flood kards fr or battlechat

woeful thicket
#

and another one which could get nasty, "I get it" the emotes are so generic. wouldn't it be nice to be able to chat during?
but I know it would get toxic. specially when I get drunk 😂
I think you chat with friend matches though right?

green mortar
#

im pretty neutral on it all tbh, i dont think its that big of a deal but if it turns out the entire community dislikes it then so be it

green mortar
#

such toxic and aggressive mannerisms dont help to get points or criticisms across to 1939

#

it just makes it when harley calls 1939 out for someone everyone rolls their eyes and ignores it

#

no offence harley, but it is how people react to it at this point

weak verge
#

I terribly hate someone who copied my deck and use it to defeat me.It's INJUSTICE to many palyers who will create wacky decks. In the past, I was defeated by twice players who used my deck in WC top32, but I only use it in WC top128. If all player can steal deck in ladder, We will have no private decks in this game and kards esport will be boring.

#

🐵🐵

sick basin
#

#2 is some cope ngl, like I get it, I truly do, but thinking you have some super secret sauce no one else has thought of is pure arrogance tbh. I consider my decks my own too, but to think you have some super sekrit thing and no one else in the thousands thatve played have never had it is goofi

#

5 isn't even necessarily true because piloting is a necessary skill and they can already look up topping decklists
6 is also not true, you can't do it in the middle of a game so you can't see the surprise, right???

#

An experienced player has a much larger edge over some guy who spent a lot of money and has a big collection because the experienced player knows what to play and when

green mortar
#

i mean to be fair, number 2 isnt as cope as youd think since yetitmoves does play in top tier events as is frequently top 34 on ladder, i do think the moment you play it on ladder its out in the open anyway cos anyone can copy what they see, but just giving the context that they are one of the frequent competitors at top level events

sick basin
#

my comment had little to do with rank, I'm aware where they're at

green mortar
#

these are often where new decks are pioneered

#

so its not crazy to think the idea of creating something new and unique but also strong could happen imo

waxen mural
#

I can see that someone in the top 50 that do tournament could have the secret sause he don't want to share from time to time lol

green mortar
#

its not that no one else has ever thought of it, its that most players dont know how to make it good

sick basin
#

it's more the thing you stipulated and also that just, yeah, kards has a very very small cardpool compared to other games and I'm not saying innovation DOESNT happen but like c'mon top G, your collection of 39 cards is your own the same way the stretch of road is mine when my car is on it

green mortar
#

i dont disagree that i personally dont feel this idea of ownership towards decks

#

i more just meant the secret sauce part does happen

#

and if most people do feel ownership of their decks, we are in the minority it seems like

regal crag
waxen mural
#

one day beriev will change the world

#

predicting it to all the beriev non believer smh

green mortar
#

maybe itll change the world later this month

sick basin
#

I understand where it comes from tbh, I feel a sort of rush when my particular variant of pizzagro wins, but I'm also with what was said earlier, it's not much different than taking a pen and paper out to note cards you played

#

I definitely think this is a very Odd thing to spring on the player base tho lol

green mortar
#

oh it is out of no where

sick basin
#

I'm still waiting for comprehensive stats

green mortar
#

i mean if the majority of the community hates it and doesnt want this, then my take is to support whats best for the community

#

but i am curious to see how itd actually play out

#

instead of instant day 1 reactions

cobalt glade
#

I agree completely with the main points AYIM said. In regards to what to do, I'd say either having it be a "request deck" feature similar to friend requests or have it be an option in settings to disable sharing your deck after games.

green mortar
errant snow
#

Yeah, just add a toggle next to your deck that says "private only" and the problem is solved 🙂

cobalt glade
# sick basin I understand where it comes from tbh, I feel a sort of rush when my particular v...

It's quite a bit different from just taking notes with pen and paper (which is something I have a lot of experience doing in Kards for this very reason). Taking manual notes rewards the most dedicated players and it only allows you to take notes on what you see played. The opponent is able to surrender to keep their deck or their combo hidden and if they're playing anything aggressive it will take many games before you can confidently say you know what's in their deck

errant snow
#

the game is missing a couple of toggles right now, tbh. One famous example would be the option to toggle off the emotes permanently

cobalt glade
# fluid bloom Yes to new feature that will make more people happy than unhappy. As soon as you...

While I agree that in general more people will like this change than dislike this change, I think the degree to which people will dislike it is far higher than the degree to which people will like it. It adds and removes very little for the majority of players but the negative impact it has on the top of ladder is quite large for such a largely inconsequential and not widely sought after system

errant snow
#

Yeah, because it's an amazing feature for the new players, who don't even visit discord or the official site to look for new deck ideas/inspirations. Very fast and convinient too. But just like you've said, it's detrimental for the upper echelons if you won't introduce the option to set the decks to private only alongside of it

#

if you introduce a new feature, you have to make sure it's customisable, because the core idea here is very good. Just needs to be flexible

hexed flame
#

what if there was a feature which would just block copying your deck by your enemy?

lean breach
#

If people are going to copy other decks, they should have to go through the work of constructing it themselves. Having a button to do it, when the other person doesn't want to share their deck, seems like a bad idea to me

#

I love sharing decks and trying out other people's decks, but this isn't collaborative, this is effortless stealing

waxen mural
#

Yeah

#

I'm all for sharing but like come hanging out on discord

lean breach
#

I would really like this idea if it sent a request to the other person, rather than just outright gave it to them

waxen mural
#

Yeah

cobalt glade
#

100%. Just make it opt-out and the majority of players won't care enough to turn it off and those who do care can maintain how it's always been

hexed flame
#

for casual players way to copy their deck by enemy is

#

it just basically doesnt matter

maiden narwhal
#

A card game without hiden information in ladder
I don't know what to say😆

#

Black comedy😩

green mortar
pine owl
#

I DO NOT agree with this suggestion and here's why.

#

Decks are public anyway the moment you play them. Getting a "copy deck" button is only the natural evolution of taking notes with pen and paper. You get the information distributed faster and that's all.

#

If you fear that someone will steal your creation: except for a few competitive scenarios, for which I understand the concern, a specific deck getting in the public domain will not affect the meta too much. Meta is built on effectiveness of decks, not on higher access to information

#

Less talented players will NOT benefit from a top tier deck the same way I won't benefit from getting a Bugatti if I don't have a driver's license. Talent amd knowing what to play, when, makes the player good. Deck making is very important, but no one can steal that ability from you.

#

We would however benefit in learning what people usually play. I would WANT to see what a typical german control list looks like and adapt my playstyle accordingly. You would rather remove that opportunity to keep a few decks secret. We can reach a compromise by letting the player decide to let their deck be "stealable".

cobalt glade
pine owl
cobalt glade
#

I agree 100%. I think this feature is generally good so long as there is an ability for players to opt-out of deck sharing

nova ore
#

This should be like emotes should be: you can opt in or not.

mighty gorge
#

My thoughts on this after taking in everybody's takes and reflecting on it some more:

  • I don't think this change will impact 95% of the players playing experience at all. Even for most competitive players in the Top 34 range, I don't think this will change much as the vast majority of them just netdeck anyway.

For the 5% of players it directly affects, I think these concerns are valid:

  • People building new competitive decks will have a lot shorter "grace period" of having their deck be undiscovered and new. The decks get figured out eventually because people track cards, talk with eachother and so on, but this obviously speeds it up by a lot.

  • If one wants to go 100%, they will need to copy every opponent's deck into a searchable spreadsheet so they have their decklist if they queue into them again which is just stupid.

  • It just feels bad to have your original deck "stolen" after playing 1 game.

For the general health of the game and the community I see following concerns:

  • This will stunt community building and intra-player exchange because you don't need even need to hit someone up for their lists anymore. I made a lot of valuable contacts this way, so this becoming obsolete is a big negative in my eyes. It will also reduce the need for external kards media like deck databases and so on

  • 1939 not consulting the community on such a big change which a monkey could have seen will be this controversial is beyond me.

  • 1939 committing resources to a barely requested change that will obviously be very controversial instead of working on actually frequently requested features like a working spectator mode and auto-importing gold cards when making a deck shows that they are either very out of touch with the general playerbase or simply dont care

#

My suggestion: Let people opt out of this. I assume this will not be implemented due to not being technically realizable in the short amount of time left and they don't want to scrap the feature after proudly announcing it, which is a shame and could have been avoided by surveying the playerbase before doing this.

waxen mural
#

on the topic of qol

#

more deck slot when ??????

maiden kraken
#

Just copy the code to a google doc

scarlet hound
#

Scenario 1, new players copies deck, but doesn't have the kards to play it
Sceanrio 2, new player copies deck but doesn't understand how to play it (otk, combo, alternative win condition lists)
Scenario 3, new player copies deck and plays it and has fun

Probably most scenarios will be scenario 3.
But the feature kills all closed decklist events. It also incentives people to hide new ideas which limits scenario 3 going forward.

If you want to develop a deck for an event now, you either have to play training or against friends you trust which makes it more restrictive

If you want to develop a deck for an event now, you either have to play training or against friends you trust which makes it more restrictive

maiden narwhal
#

It is false proposition about benefit for new players,
even they have full collection as a new player, they don't need to learn, think and test more about some cards good or not in ladder meta.
they just need to know some big name and copy their work, and then they lost chances to learn about deck building.
Because those big name give them the full answer at that moment. Make the new players more lazy is not a good thing in a card game.
It is not helpful for new players, it is harmful for new players.

IT ONLY BENEFIT THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET GOOD RESULT BUT NOT PAY HARD WORK IN GAME

storm burrow
#

"wow I changed 1 card, muh great hard work"
come onKEKW

waxen mural
#

My us fin is my baby smh

#

I'm a great deck builder

#

Had like 3 Magnus opus

#

Us fin control sov brit air and my ger us eagle day

storm burrow
#

I'm a great booze consumer who happens to throw random cards together for the memes

maiden narwhal
waxen mural
#

Real

severe dawn
#

I think the problem may be more systemic, and happens to a LOT of games when they have been going for a while. 1939 need more players to start AND CONTINUE to play the game. The problem is that there are a LOT of players who've been playing a long time and are good, experienced (at deck building & piloting) and have 80%+ collections (morally this is the same as having been in "the queue" for a long time). 1939 need to try and reduce the delta between those who've been queueing (for what I don't know) for a long time, and those who've just joined the back of what looks like a very long queue (my queing metaphor may be wearing a bit thin now). Hence the new "pay-to-win" purchasable meta decks, and this "copy-the-deck-that-just-pwned-you-and-made-you-tilt" ENHANCEMENT

#

I'm all in favour of people who've been learning a skill for a long time being able to roflstomp new players. Schadenfreude is a thing.

waxen mural
#

My man bringing the german philisophy into kards

mighty gorge
waxen mural
#

Also the skill is go on kards discord and kards website

#

It's not exactly the highest skill

#

To get good decklist

#

Having the most cutting edge meta cancer deck take some connection the first few days

#

But it never take a long time to be avaiable for all players

mighty gorge
honest goblet
#

At the risk of restating things that have been said earlier:
I'm sure the vast majority of players would be more than happy to share their decks about 90% of the time - to me Kards has always felt like a game where people are more than happy to help each other out.
The problem lies in how this feature discourages ladder testing of innovations the other 10% of the time for competitive play. The direct result of this will be competitive players opting to test their decks off of ladder, which negatively impacts their ability/confidence in the new decks. I do believe this has wider ramifications for the meta, since changes are heavily influenced by competitive play.

errant snow
mighty gorge
#

This also does have a negative effect on any competitive players who don't have a network of people to practice with and have to rely on ladder

errant snow
mighty gorge
pine owl
#

Tbh I feel like you guys' points have a nuance to them that comes from being longtime players. But at the same time I don't get the argument about people not learning anything because they just copy the deck that stomped them. I copy a deck BECAUSE i want to learn, not viceversa. The copy feature won't stop people who want to learn and network... From learning and networking. It gives an alternative way of learning, sure, that doesn't require discussion on a forum

#

At the end of the day, doesn't it just depend from what kind of person you are? A lazy deck-stealer or an eternal learner? This is like arguing against knives because people might use them wrong, but knives in and of themselves are just a tool

#

Also, it will not hamper originality. The meta is already too stale to get any worse.

errant snow
#

Siege my man. That's the voice of reason. Plus i'm sure they'll just make the feature toggleable and everyone will be happy. Now relax and play some Kards Lad

pine owl
waxen mural
#

it feel great to help each other out on discord and see what other player are up to by talking with them

#

but having your deck stole effortlessly with 0 communication after each game just suck

errant snow
#

People who like the social experience will show up anyways and talk about the strats, card substitutes, etc.
On the other hand those, who don't really like discord, will have an easier way of finding good decks out in the wild.
Relax.

analog hawk
#

guys remember the suggestion that suggested this

#

i hate this

#

my precious cooks.....

errant snow
analog hawk
#

noooo

cobalt glade
#

There's a lot of miscommunication going on in this thread. I'm pretty sure that 90% of people here agree that in general this system for rank 20 players to be able to copy lists is a positive change that will generally make them feel better about the game. The vast majority of the people that are upset about this system, myself included, are upset because you can't opt out and it has several negative impacts on the top end of the game. We aren't saying the system has no value or that new players won't benefit, we are saying that this system has multiple simple changes that would make it not negatively impact a section of the playerbase

#

Like the vast majority of people in this thread arguing on both sides agree that this system being implemented with some sort of system to opt out of deck sharing is great

#

To the people who think this system is good and opt out would kill it, and to the people who think the entire system sucks even with opting out, y'all can keep beefing it out

errant snow
#

Yeah, that's the summary of it. I'm sure 1939 will add the opt-out feature, as it's super obvious thing to do. They simply forgot to mention it in the vid

honest goblet
#

surely

storm burrow
#

opt out is obvious ofc but come on is it really necessary to try hiding 1 or 2 card changes that hard KEKW

cobalt glade
cobalt glade
storm burrow
#

well, if whoever grinds for top 34 puts proper attention to it, they'd be able to spot changes and "steal" them anyway, hidden deck or not

errant snow
storm burrow
#

and if someone who doesn't intend to grind gets experimental deck this way, then it doesn't matter again

#

pretty sure he wouldn't go "oooh I suddenly want to no life into top34"

cobalt glade
errant snow
#

We'll probably see soon enough

pine owl
#

@errant snow no my friend, Jking is right, they have no intention of adding an opt-out feature

#

unfortunately 1939 is just made that way

errant snow
#

hmmm

cobalt glade
errant snow
#

So i would like to give them this benefit ot the doubt, saying the lack of opt-out was an unintentional mistake, or that they're going to add it sooner than later.

feral epoch
#

Netdecking maybe the issue in competitive Kards for a while. But as of late we are having a midrange meta. Not just USFL but German main midrange which is extremely hard to optimize. Mind you, in the last days of BIA when Guo came up with the working ger-jp midrange even the most competitive players tend to make 0 change to it. (And shame to Artemisa who did change and ended up having useless arados lol) It must have been unimaginable effort for Guo to come up with this idea in the first place since even the best players fail to find ways to improve it. However with the new feature this effort will seems absolutely laughable.

mighty gorge
serene tide
#

The opt out option is a must here. I personally don't care about tournaments, but people who craft their own decks to try and get an advantage in competitions deserve to keep their decks a secret. Otherwise, tournaments are just going to turn into everyone bringing the same decks and whoever has the better RNG wins.

errant snow
mighty gorge
#

Also as a direct comment to the announcement video, introducing a feature that skips human interaction and saying it increases engagement between players is so absurd to me

maiden narwhal
#

Add one opt out option, then no one complain anything, don't make us disappointed, at least this time, thanks!!🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

violet sky
#

Just curious, what is the record for most number of replies to a thread here in #1022198036736266291

scarlet hound
#

If there wasn't an opt out, this feature would completely kill closed decklist events.

wicked vigil
#

highest i know of anyways

image.png
mighty gorge
#

I think the nerf southern plan one was also big but not nerf monty levels

winter timber
#

I don't think it would be unreasonable to have the opt out feature only available at the field Marshall level

serene tide
#

Sure, it’s not complicated, but it’s annoying.

#

I want to just play the game. I don’t want to have to worry about what settings I did or didn’t disable.

woeful thicket
analog hawk
analog hawk
fluid bloom
#

Yes it is, the terms of service stipulate that the players don't have property of anything in the game

#

By playing the game, we all accept to make public whatever the devs intend to be public

waxen mural
#

the privacy of your deck don't exist legally speaking but like

#

people just don't want the resident resistance or discard emote spammer to get there list 😔

mighty gorge
#

Bad luck, pal

#

It should at least show you who copied your deck so you can publicly shame them tbh

#

It should come at the price of public humiliation

waxen mural
#

good old medieval justice

#

wasn't particularly efficient to catch criminal but at least it was fun

mighty gorge
#

Convenient publicly accessible ladder database

winter timber
winter timber
analog hawk
#

I quite understand that I have no legal authority over my in-game decks

balmy jewel
#

I was beginning to think that I was being too harsh on 39 as having utterly given up on this game as an art and entertainment, leaving it a soulless money making machine. Now I only feel stupid for questioning that conclusion

honest goblet
#

what does this have to do with the topic at hand?

lean breach
#

The devs think this would make the game better, and there are definitely aspects of it that are good, but overall I think it's flawed because of how negatively it impacts the creative parts of the community

serene tide
#

Not saying they don't

#

Just saying.

lean breach
#

If they didn't care, they wouldn't make these changes at all. They wouldn't release posts explaining them and why they are making them

#

Just because you don't agree doesn't mean they don't care

serene tide
#

Tbf, who asked for this change? How many far more important changes have been asked for by the community at large, in this very channel, which have fallen on deaf ears for the longest time?!

#

1939 have continually ignored us on many issues and instead introduced things that seemingly only they want in the game.

maiden kraken
#

It's their game

serene tide
#

My point is not that it’s our game. It’s in relation to what was said about 1939 caring what we think.

#

But thanks for the input Captain Obvious…

maiden kraken
#

No problem, Negative Nancy

glass crag
#

Deck building can be tough, and really tough for new players. The sustained attach rate of new players is probably related to the difficulty in Kards deck building. I started playing Marvel Snap the other day for a change of pace. 12 card decks. Anybody can blunder through that game to a point. I bet 1939 is trying to solve a problem that is obvious to them and not us

#

I’m not supporting the change btw

#

Neither nor yet

errant oyster
serene tide
#

Not that it isn't happening now, but I think it this will make it a lot worse.

#

It's boring as hell playing against the same decks all the time!

maiden kraken
#

It was going to come anyways, if 1939 doesn't do it then the community will, as it has happened in other card games.

serene tide
#

The community has been sharing decks since forever but that has always been a choice of players to do so. I don't see why there needs to be a feature to be able to copy opponents' decks in-game unless there's an option to switch deck sharing on/off. As I stated earlier, people who craft their own decks to try and get an advantage in competitions deserve to keep their decks a secret. Otherwise, tournaments are just going to turn into everyone bringing the same decks and whoever has the better RNG wins.

#

1939 should be looking at ways to diversify the meta rather than encourage people to all play the same decks because this is exactly what this feature is going to produce.

maiden kraken
#

Ok but that's assuming there's an objectively best way to build a particular deck

#

Not everyone will copy Jking's frontline list just because he's the 3 timer

#

They would disagree with some choices, elect to run certain techs, emphasizing some other aspects

#

Also the devs cant just encourage a diverse meta, people will, without fail, gravitate towards the best decks anyways

#

And dev effort, take the last expansion where they tried pushing Alpine for example, may not work out as intended

#

Now I do agree with letting players opt out of sharing for certain decks, but the fact of the matter is it cannot be implemented on such a short notice and there are implications for implementing it

serene tide
#

Not everyone will copy Jking's frontline list but a lot will. Bottom line is any player deserves to keep their decks secret if they so choose. Add a setting to switch on/off deck sharing. Issue (somewhat) solved.

maiden kraken
#

Imagine a new player, being frustrated from losing to a synergistic deck, at the lower rank, say, IL-2 heavy armor

#

When they try to copy it, they found out that they cant because the other person has blocked it, believing it to be some secret sauce to success.

#

What are the chances of that person sticking with the game instead of going to Balatro or something

#

And even if they stick, would they be inclined to share their deck?

#

It's a domino effect

glass crag
solar brook
#

I respect people who share their decks, they are selfless and open. But this doesn’t mean I have to give away my secret sov-french (added:or whatever decks created by me) deck to everyone who played with me. Because this is my building results. My efforts, those hundreds of matches and personal experiences, now can be squandered without asking my permission? If that is normal for whatever reason 1939 thinks, then I have nothing to say but thanks for all joy this game brought to me and it’s time to say bye😐

tawny kite
#

To be honest, I play this game is just for the fun of making new deck and test it in PVP. But KARDS just made this disgusting function to delete my heart of playing strange deck only me and my friends know. I think I will just go to play other card games or FPS if this funtion really be put out in the future.KEKWait

maiden narwhal
#

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8931188817

This is the post about some active in tournament or community players in China jointly sign about this new feature

关于一件复制卡组的事【kards吧】_百度贴吧

关于一件复制卡组的事..看足球的应该知道比赛前一般都有封闭式训练这个环节，球员相当于单卡，每个球队有谁这都不是秘密，但是为啥还要有这个环节呢？新功能实装相当于所有足球赛前训练都强迫公开，那教练组的很多奇思妙想就只能纸上谈兵，

honest goblet
maiden narwhal
mighty gorge
pine owl
pine owl
waxen mural
#

I can tell you for a fact they indeed read this place

#

they just don't always reply (altought sometime karma and elin do)

serene tide
#

Reading and taking on board are two very different things, though!

waxen mural
#

and even if they keep the final decision ofc it indeed have an impact on what they do

serene tide
#

One such example was Monty. How long was that complained about before anything was done about it?

solar brook
#

This decision is something I suggest they should take time considering about, that’s what I thought

mighty gorge
#

I know the can't decide after the community every time and I'm so thankful they don't listen for card balance but with an invasive feature like that i dont see how they didn't just ask before

waxen mural
#

say what you want about Monty it wasn't unhealthy for the meta when Shelling leaved

serene tide
#

I am not saying that they should listen to every little gripe about the game but Monty was a big one. So is this.

solar brook
#

Side topic, although I still think be-4 should get buffed

waxen mural
#

but the game wouldn't be better without it or shelling smh

solar brook
#

I thought it’s because all other 1k general elite are so bad comparing to Monty lol

pine owl
#

Well, to be fair, I think the crowd sometimes has a point, like in the case of Aichi D3A-1, 2nd California, Monsoon rot

#

Ofc you don't let them do the balancing, but you listen to their feedback

waxen mural
#

california is by no mean a balance issue

#

also Monsoon is strong but it don't mean british are always the top dog

#

like people complain about ss monsoon even when there is virtually no brit in OCC

solar brook
#

It’s going too far, could we come back to the copy (or in another word, steal) deck topic?

waxen mural
#

it do be true the aichi is batshit insane tho

pine owl
#

It's not about british decks (although they can be annoying) but those annoying cards in general

waxen mural
#

also lets be real it would be really suprisping if monsoon or supply shortage or both don't rotate in next expansion lol

waxen mural
pine owl
#

Idk, they just kinda ruin the experience

#

Anyway, the point of the matter is that choosing to opt out is very important for this new featurd

waxen mural
#

if you nerf monty, ss and monsoon you will just get a meta where it's jaggro vs us frontline

#

it wouldn't be that intresting

#

it's not like it wasn't regulating any other problematic deck

waxen mural
serene tide
#

Dude be going off on a tangent. Let me reiterate; just because a suggestion thread exists and is read, does not mean the ideas put forth are considered/adopted.

waxen mural
maiden narwhal
solar brook
#

Fr

waxen mural
#

real

soft hatch
#

I suggest that the one who got copied could gather 100 gold coins from the one who copied the deckjerry

waxen mural
#

this is the reason why 1939 don't always listen to what people wrote here

#

🕵️

serene tide
# waxen mural yeah and that's a good thing

Not if the purpose of such a channel is designed to create the illusion that suggestions may be considered when they are not. See original post #1216710626496483399 message

waxen mural
#

but they read and consider your suggestion

#

they just won't do a post about it each time bruh

mighty gorge
#

Yeah I dont think not listening to every suggestion can be construed to mean giving you the illusion to be considered

#

And mind you I am not very enthusastic about 1939 lately

waxen mural
#

(he is still mad af about ura and siberian transfer rotation)

mighty gorge
#

im not..

maiden kraken
#

Block chain nft crypto based card game where people who pays more gets to be the louder voice when

waxen mural
#

it was in suggestion

#

several time actually

#

it happened like 2 or 3 time

pine owl
#

Maybe more veteran players can enlighten me, but when was a non-balance suggestion ever adopted by 1939?

waxen mural
#

more deck slot

pine owl
#

How many deck slots were there before?

waxen mural
#

don't remember but they increased it two time

#

would love some more tho

soft hatch
#

It's unfair that hardworking players have their card sets stolen or used without their consent in the game. There is a lack of privacy in this aspect. Additionally, for new players, it's pointless to steal someone else's card group since they don't have cards to begin with😓😓😓

serene tide
#

Bruh!

#

Not to call you out but isn't a mod's job to steer conversation back on-topic, not steer it away with multiple posts trying to prove an unrelated point?

waxen mural
#

it's just following the natural flow of the talk at this point I'm not just not going to reply my tought on what you post just because it wouldn't be on topic

#

also not to be that guy but if you wanna see dev activity in suggestion you can go in the research bar and just searc for eline or karma message in suggestion there is several page of htem

#

they litteraly do reply to suggestion (and there is much more that they just read without replying to)

serene tide
#

I don't know if it's a language barrier or what, but I encourage you to read my comment again #1216710626496483399 message
At no time did I say that 1939 don't read or respond to suggestions.

waxen mural
#

and then I will say they actually consider them and you will just reply I have no proof (like we have feedback being the scene but I can't and won't leak it obviously)

#

so I'm just gonna stop here I guess

rugged lichen
#

Already been said here but add a toggle to opt in and we good 👍

pine owl
#

I've been reading the steam comments on this feature and I'm coming to understand more and more the people who don't like this feature. They have a point: it should be possible to keep decks secret

rugged lichen
#

Yeah people should just have the option and not be forced to make that information fully known

#

Like I'm cool with someone checking out the jalvage deck I might've tweaked a bit from another creator

#

But not a deck that's really special to me to the point where I want to exclusively excel with it

#

I'm not a tourney/high level player but I get the sentiment

grizzled fox
#

Hey everyone, I want to thank you all sincerely for the valuable feedback on the copy deck feature arriving with the spring release. We've been monitoring the discussion and taking in all your suggestions and concerns. A few things we would like to note, to clear up a couple of things:

  • You will only be able to copy an opponent's deck after the battle has ended, so no surprises in the deck should be spoiled before the match is over.
  • You can only copy the deck that you fought against. No other decks from the opponent's library are available for copy.
  • Knowing the cards in a deck is only part of the battle. In order to be successful with a deck, you also need to be able to play with it effectively. This can for example be seen when decks are published from tournaments, where many players have the chance to not only copy those decks but also see them played - having access to the deck does not automatically make a player play like the top competitive players.

We hear you loud and clear that you would like to see some changes to this feature, most notably with a possibility for this feature to be opt-in or opt-out. At this stage of development, we are at the point where no further changes can happen with the code, and the days of work required to make these changes are not feasible before the release. That said, we will be monitoring this feature very closely after release, including feedback from all our players, metrics which we gather regarding the use of this feature, and overall impacts to player behavior. Further iterations to the feature may be made based on these elements. And, as mentioned in the dev blog, we will continue to bring you more additions to enhance the overall friends experience in KARDS in the coming months.

mighty gorge
#

It's over

waxen mural
#

😫

#

Well soon tm for opt out

rugged lichen
#

I trust in the process

#

Thanks Elin redLove

mighty gorge
#

I stopped trusting in the process a while ago

serene tide
#

1939: “Enhance the overall friends experience”
Translation:

mighty gorge
#

Translation: Use this feature that will enable you to skip making friends and talking to people

#

I swear the 1939 ehf guy saying this is introduced to foster player interaction was the biggest gaslighting of 2024 for me so far

waxen mural
#

Wdym gazlighting ?

#

This word don't exist stop making things up smh

mighty gorge
red marten
pine owl
#

it's over though, you're right on that

mighty gorge
#

I know you can't hear the community out on everything and I'm glad you don't

grizzled fox
mighty gorge
#

But with this it just seems very short sighted not to foresee this type of reaction

waxen mural
#

this one was easy to see tbh

cobalt grotto
#

Just like checking bugs before a new patch update.

red marten
tawny kite
#

we don't really want other people know what we brought to the fight if we finish the fight before our deck run out of cards>

red marten
mighty gorge
#

The issue is that no one knows how long this time frame is and them not realising this would end up like this is concerning for future decisions they make

#

It just shows a big lack of foresight and consideration when making big decisions like this

tawny kite
red marten
#

They are not going to add opt-in/opt-out function now,with no guarantee that it will be revised, what do you mean it's acceptable?

grizzled fox
# red marten The deck is indeed,partially spoiled when a match is over,but not always reached...

Thanks for the clarification. The first point was meant to address concerns that ladder play would become essentially open deck lists, which will not be the case - the deck list will be copy-able after, not before, the match is over. You are correct that as it stands, in most cases, it takes several matches against a deck to determine the exact composition of it. Again, we hear your concerns and will continue to monitor the feedback, and feature after release, closely.

mighty gorge
#

It'll be somewhat open decklist because people will have big shared decklist databases per player name with lists they queued into

#

So they can look up everyone they queue into and check their list if they've been played against by anyone participating in the spreadsheet

waxen mural
#

and at high ladder it's not uncommon at all to fight the same people often

mighty gorge
#

(i am already organising this with multiple people)

waxen mural
mighty gorge
waxen mural
#

true

red marten
mighty gorge
waxen mural
#

I mean why would you even ban this if there is no opt out it's just a logical conclusion to do that

mighty gorge
balmy jewel
soft hatch
#

Shorter version: I don‘t care about your feelings, we won't change it.

mighty gorge
#

It's so short sighted for no reason. You have a very active and engaging community discord, you have testers, it would have been no effort at all to realize this is hugely controversial

#

I first thought the change is okay then I took 10 minutes to think about it and read some people's opinions and realized okay there's a lot more to this - imagine if this had been done by 1939 ehf...

balmy jewel
#

Also, they're hunan, and humans get burned out. They probably didn't suddenly turn into greedy monsters or something stupid like that, but lots of work in a short time tends to harm artistic quality and overall effectiveness.

#

*human, not a province in China

mighty gorge
#

That's fair and I'm not like personally upset with them but I think it's still important to call out flaws in the process like this

balmy jewel
#

I get that, I was just clarifying because I can be incredibly harsh sometimes. And sometimes I forget myself

mighty gorge
#

And I know I'm not a game designer but I think this is a pretty universal decision making issue

mighty gorge
pine owl
#

@grizzled fox I know yours is a hard job and managing an (often angry) community is no small feat. Don't take these comments to heart. Us players feel very strongly about the game and this is bound to make us write some strongly worded arguments. If there's anything to take away from this, it's that we'd like our grievances forwarded to the devs on this matter. No matter the heat of the debate, we respect the devs and their work, and we have faith that somehow a communication can be established between us and them

#

I for one like this feature, just, it's worth noting the concerns some players especially competitive ones have. It's a small change we ask, but overall the majority appreciate this feature

feral epoch
mighty gorge
#

I mean both is possible..

feral epoch
#

But where do they get their collection from… ? Well if they end up paying I guess…

#

No it's not great

waxen mural
#

the try hard never end

mighty gorge
feral epoch
waxen mural
#

4d chess

#

1939 living out of every top 100 player having 5 account

mighty gorge
#

Tiger was already ahead of the curve

waxen mural
#

slept only 2 hour and the war thunder brain kicked in

#

angle it smh

feral epoch
pine owl
red marten
humble totem
violet sky
#

Self sabotage by putting random cards in your decks to deceive deck copiers brain

humble totem
#

Auto fill ftw 💪 brain power

waxen mural
#

💪

violet sky
#

I’ll make sure to put 4x cali in usfl when I climb to fm

mighty gorge
#

I hope they adjust it with jank fixes like only the winner can copy the deck or you gotta pay the other person 5 gold (credit to corn for that one)

waxen mural
#

gatekeep gazlight girlboss a repair meta

maiden kraken
waxen mural
#

draft gobelin

feral epoch
humble totem
#

Newbs be like - why did he put 4 war productions in a CM deck thinkingbread2 thinkingbread2 thinkingbread2

maiden kraken
#

We need to size up the player count so 1939 doesn't abandon the mode

feral epoch
#

Based

waxen mural
#

draft gobelin when the game mode became suddenly way less economically viable

feral epoch
waxen mural
#

(more competition and nerfed reward)

feral epoch
#

Chinese like draft more

mighty gorge
maiden kraken
#

Damb

feral epoch
#

why?

mighty gorge
#

Draft is very boring

feral epoch
#

No

waxen mural
feral epoch
#

I 7'ed yesterday

mighty gorge
#

Maybe fun to play but boring to watch imo

feral epoch
#

One way to view things I guess

#

Anyway presentation in 5 minutes see ya

mighty gorge
#

Good luck, you got this Ena_wow

maiden kraken
#

Tbh Kards itself is like

#

Not that watchable?

#

Draft probably is worse tho

feral epoch
#

Guys this is the suggestion thread

severe dawn
scarlet hound
#

Rip closed deck list events, please make opt out asap

mighty gorge
scarlet hound
#

That assumes the try hards will even play before opt out is released

severe dawn
#

its also naughty that they are introducing it part way through the month. As it would be a sure sign that it's unpopular if people didn't renew their battle-pass to show disaproval

scarlet hound
#

Imagine you have an account that is friends with top deck builders like Guorq, noein5, treepipit. You can look at your friends list to see when they get out of their match and try to queue into them. Once you snipe them, you can instantly surrender and you have their list for free to give to all your friends. This change will force you to remove people from your friends list to prevent them from sniping your lists easier.

feral epoch
balmy jewel
#

You know, if their intention is what I think it might be, maybe have it as a frequent skirmish mode?:

Play with any deck you want. If you lose, you are locked into playing the deck that beat you next match.

Giving players and devs pointers about what is countering what, and getting to see the full picture can be useful for balancing purposes, but don't implement that in regular matches, leave it to the mode we already have for experiments in balancing.

#

This would mean that in the skirmish, you may end up using cards you don't have for that skirmish only

balmy jewel
#

Which, in fairness, discovering them does present a challenge to those that do so

#

There's a massive difference between "I played this player before, these cards presented a problem" and "I know exactly what all of the cards are and how many are used. I can read into this and adopt the entire doctrine of the deck if I can, or just steal the deck for future games if I can't"

#

I suppose there are differences in how well one understands probability. Anyone with a decent grasp of it though has 1 optimal choice at any time that is readily apparent, provided they are familiar with the opponent's archetype on a basic level.

woeful thicket
mighty gorge
woeful thicket
mighty gorge
#

I agree with the point though, a rank 20 playing soviet brit ground deck will not benefit from copying his opponents ger us air list in any way

balmy jewel
mighty gorge
balmy jewel
woeful thicket
# grizzled fox Hey everyone, I want to thank you all sincerely for the valuable feedback on the...

The essence of the issue Ma'am, and thnak you for your communiation btw; is it doesn't matter when an opponent eventually gets the opponents deck, it's the robbery of the creation of it and usually tweaked and tweaked time again to get it to be a surprise to higher level possibly or meta players which I personally want to destroy.
Sorry rambled there.. but yeah. No one gets my decks whether they're junk or not.
Crazy idea!! to give it to them.
I believe and tell me if you want, it seems to be a way for new players trying the game out, not to quit.
Watering down the game.. almost for babies to play. Sorry, bad reference.
Thanks again for your communiation though. Admin is alive! 👍

cobalt glade
# grizzled fox Hey everyone, I want to thank you all sincerely for the valuable feedback on the...

I appreciate the response and the time spent to read through all the feedback. I also appreciate that implementing an additional element of this feature takes development time and cannot be thrown into a patch coming out in presumably a week or two. That being said, the feature does not need to ship. You can hold it off and ship it in the next patch once the opt-out feature is finished. Unfortunately I have to agree with many of the other responses, I have little faith in 1939 when you say "x thing will happen in the future." Especially when it's "x thing might happen in the future." If you truly want to listen to feedback, you wouldn't release this feature until it was ready.

balmy jewel
#

If it is a player count problem, make the game fun. That doesn't mean "buy this new card before the nerf" psych traps. It means making matches enjoyable. It means new emotes should be welcoming, not toxic. It means listening to your whole community, not just a few that claim to translate for the rest.

#

This is just more down the same downward spiral.

#

I suspect, it also means taking your time and not pushing things out too fast and burning yourselves out

humble totem
pine owl
#

nerf the problematic cards while we're at it

#

no "short term profit, long term pain" bs please

balmy jewel
#

Sometimes I wonder if the devs taking a hiatus would actually mean they come back stronger. Stress messes with people

feral epoch
#

Last time before they had a big vacation they dropped 2k supply shortage

#

So NO

sharp niche
balmy jewel
#

Hmm true

#

About supply shortage

woeful thicket
#

I'm honestly shocked beyond words they DIS Jking; who btw.. has essentially built the morale and fun in this game (streams, helping others, the knowledge.. a f'n legend already and still playing) yet nuttin. He gets no props or input for decisions and involvement in the game.
Who are these 1939 admins? They have the mobile kicking butt $$$ I'm sure and honestly it scares me to say as me and @stuck pivot agree.
Things are getting greedy. Just bring in the volume and forget the quality and fun of the original concept for strategists like ourselves.

green geode
#

Unable to read all the comments above. Just posting my comment about the deck copy feature.
I dont think the function of insta-copy opponent is a good idea. This feature will likely make this game a fast food game if everyone can copy and use the opponent's deck with a single click. When most meta decks are already highly resemble each other, probably a few different cards.

#

Game experience becomes dull if everyone just steals others decks so effortlessly. For example, I meet JKing, and steal his deck with just 1 click. Other players can do the same.

woeful thicket
green geode
#

And then every US frontline player may copy the same setup as him

#

Honestly, I dont think doing mirror against exactly the same deck multiple times would be fun.

honest goblet
green geode
green geode
humble totem
#

My 2 cents on this thread - I think the problem with this lies more in meta flooding/overload in where ppl will just copy other ppls decks instead of creatively building their own decks - I’m always tired of a long drawn out meta and imo this feels like what it’s encouraging that tbh

green geode
#

You are supposed to fail, and learn through the fail

red marten
# green geode And then every US frontline player may copy the same setup as him

Not may,is will.

Even one can argue that "This will help new player learn what is US Frontline(or other general meta/deck,e.g. Jaggro, soviet self-damage") ,in fact, it only provide something like textbook sample and they will tend to think "this is the only way" instead of trying to make different changes.

And thus,turning the game into mirror matches,as you have mentioned above.

green geode
#

Find out the bad or not helpful card in your deck. And seek better or helpful ones to make your deck survive in the current meta

green geode
red marten
#

Also this function would severely damage the Discord community.

Why?
Because people will choose to copy other's deck directly instead of communicate with others to discuss how to improve their deck.
It would hurt the community as well.

green geode
#

They only see the textbook answer, but they will not understand the reason they put the card in the deck.

#

uh, not hurt

#

In a manner of speaking, it reduced the incentive of communication and learning from other player's perspective

balmy jewel
#

I do want to reiterate, I think this idea has potential uses as a skirmish where you get locked into playing the deck that beat you. People won't be playing their hardest, but it would still be an excellent opportunity to observe various interactions of cards that are currently just slightly too weak to see play, and may easily come to the fore soon.

#

But keep it out of the main modes

#

It would also give new players experience with cards they don't have, in a safe setting

static halo
#

It's a complicated situation, on the one hand this function pushes to introduce new types of decks, on the other hand the creativity of the player who built the deck loses value.

balmy jewel
#

Which I suppose applies to my idea...

green geode
red marten
static halo
#

Passing the time Kards Esports takes another path.

green geode
#

We have a community. If you are looking for new ideas, just go to the decklist channel or the esport server to explore different workable decks

#

Besides, there are some youtuber share their deck on their videos as well.

static halo
#

I have my game's style

green geode
#

Understandable.

#

I am saying the function reduce or kill the incentive to explore the community

green geode
feral epoch
#

It seems that the Chinese are provoked by Elin's respond. What will happen remains to be seen…

sharp niche
#

Although some mentions of certain aspects of this have been made, but we did not delve enough into the helpfulness of this feature to new, struggling players. Surprisingly, it doesn't seem to be much.
Let's say someone is stuck at rank 15. What deck will he copy? More than likely something someone else is stuck at rank 15 with. Now this could motivate a lot of crafting and trying new stuff out, but new stuff that ain't good enough to spend resources on that they do not have. I doubt that would bring the feeling of success that would keep new players around and some in this chat r hoping for. (But I can see how this would lead to a bit more spending.)
Basically, this feature is just way worse net decking. The bottom doesn't get the good stuff, and @maiden kraken I think with or without the opt out that stays the same. (There isn't much difference between getting rolled by some subpar combo, getting the list to waste resources on it and find out it sucks, or doing the same with just a rough memory and the intrigue of secrecy).
Ultimately, I don't think there is enough helpfulness in this feature to compensate for the problems it causes (to both new and competitive players).

green geode
feral epoch
#

I understand that an opt out option may be difficult to add in the timeframe but I don't see why they can't take it off

green geode
#

And spending their precious wildcard on some wacky shit

red marten
#

Very wild,I must say.

sharp niche
#

Ultimately, with an opt-out, this will only be better for top players. It'd be the same kind of problem in the bottom either way.
Because of that I think scrapping the whole thing might be better. It's not like people can't get their hands on decks. (We've been making competition lists easier to access etc.) And I don't think a worse and problematic way of getting decks should be forced in.

feral epoch
#

Oh and don't forget they're touching the 20 gold for daily win. Things will only get worse in the community if no actions are taken

#

And there's the balance change which is inherently controversial no matter what

red marten
scarlet hound
#

This feature will HURT new players way more. For example, let's say a new player is noticing a large amount of fighters and bombers in the meta. The new player wants to add Air defense as a sneaky counter to the current meta on ladder.

Now lets say I queue into this player and high roll them with exile air, but I DO NOT see air defense. It doesn't matter. I now take their deck code and put into a shared database between myself, team heavy, and our other friends who are top players.

Now whenever we see this new player, we will check our shared database and know they are playing air defense and play around their "sneaky meta counter." Their attempt to counter the meta will become a dead card in their deck EVEN THOUGH THEY NEVER EVEN PLAYED IT PUBLICLY. Because they are a new player they do not have the connections to know our decks or even that they are playing someone who knows their entire list.

This change will HURT new players and give existing players even more of an advantage over them.

red marten
#

Ayo,what material?
That's sus.

feral epoch
#

carpet You saw nothing

mighty gorge
#

Another fellow soldier trapped by the sunken cost chains

red marten
#

I love how the majority of this thread managed to find and notice the disadvantages of this new function is way larger than its advantages for everyone.

mighty gorge
#

except the people that do could not or simply didnt care RoseHappy

green mortar
red marten
feral epoch
#

Then they should have consulted the players

#

You see, this is not a top 5% VS 95% thing

mighty gorge
#

Yeah I understand it's a bit late now, the main point is not having foresight to at least announce this while action would still be possible as it is a very obviously highly controversial feature

green mortar
feral epoch
#

It is not like they take away stuff from top 5% and give them to 95%. They didn't consult the lower players either

mighty gorge
#

And it's not like they started this company yesterday, they should know better

feral epoch
#

Ok

#

The least thing I want is let the matter drop.

#

I think you may feel the same way

green mortar
#

I don't think it's being dropped anytime soon

sharp niche
mighty gorge
#

I'll have my fun with the database farming in the meantime but its toxic as hell

green mortar
#

I'm still feel neutral on the change personally but it's clear I'm in the minority

red marten
red marten
green mortar
#

I don't see how it's irreversible damage lol

scarlet hound
#

The problems of this feature are exacerbated by the reality of playing on tilt. Lets say you have been unlucky and are very upset at the game. You are still playing ranked, "rage queueing" as some call it. You are working on an idea but its not done yet. You face a player who just happened to play a hard counter to your deck. This loss makes you more angry. You then notice you get a ping in this discord from the person who just beat you. They say something like "I saw your deck what's the idea behind it." Do you think you are magically going to get a cool head and start a collaborative deck building process with them? No way. Even if you would have under other circumstance. Now imagine you are playing on tilt and someone messages you "I looked at your list and there are alot of bad cards in it?" or "Your list sucks," or "You're bad"

The kards community is by no means the worst but we aren't always saints so this feature definitely exacerbates playing on tilt

red marten
green mortar
humble totem
#

Honestly, I don’t think this deck copy update will be super damaging - but I’m curious - does any of IT knew about/ tested/ gave feedback abt this update lol - looks like everyone b riled up

green mortar
#

all decks become public knowledge if theyre popular, if the feature was theoretically removed, after a couple months the database would be pretty meaningless

mighty gorge
#

it'll piss people off to have their decks posted publicly in a big database tbf

green mortar
#

im sure itll piss people off yeah

#

but the idea that its not a fixable problem and is irreversible

#

i dont agree with

mighty gorge
#

Oh yeah its not irreversable

red marten
green mortar
#

after a couple months, the old lists are meaningless

scarlet hound
#

the problem isn't after a couple of months

red marten
green mortar
scarlet hound
#

its playing one game and now entire groups of friends have your entire list

#

the damage to closed decklist events is irreversible

green mortar
#

if the feature was removed, after a few months the damage would no longer be in effect

scarlet hound
#

true

green mortar
#

or if an opt in feature was added, once again the damage would be reversed after a few months

#

thats all i took issue with

#

the idea that the damage wasnt reversible

#

i dont take issue with anything else you said

scarlet hound
#

I take issue with your blatant blatantness

red marten
green mortar
green mortar
#

like i said, the only part i took issue with was the usage of irreversible

#

thats all my point was

humble totem
green mortar
red marten
red marten
green mortar
humble totem
#

Just like the Monty card bein n issue and then being reserved I too think that the deck copy should also be reserved

#

Problem solved

#

World hunger no more

#

Peace of our time

green mortar
#

tbh most of what we do in IT is wear little hats while drinking tea and eating cake

scarlet hound
#

France surrendered in 1940 to give USA Germany's decklists

green mortar
#

oh and we control global economies and decide when traffic lights change colour

#

wait, if deck lists are made up of strings of characters to represent each card, and opponent can copy deck lists, we can make our decks hidden messages to each other

humble totem
#

So we enigma our deck list

#

😆

scarlet hound
#

You can copy my deck, but you don't know what timezone my pc is set to

maiden narwhal
#

i will del all my friend list soon😂

green mortar
#

i wont take your decks

scarlet hound
green mortar
#

u can copy the decks of people not on your friends list right?

#

or did i miss that

humble totem
#

I thought it was after each match you can copy the opp deck

green mortar
#

yh

scarlet hound
humble totem
#

Doesn’t have to be a friend

green mortar
#

oh

cobalt glade
#

I just won't play queued games of KARDS beyond doing dailies with random decks for as long as this feature is in the game with no opt-out. It's honestly just ridiculous

maiden narwhal
green mortar
#

get fucking rekt scrubs

scarlet hound
#

lol

#

I'm in shambles

green mortar
#

deck copy feature is meaningless when you can just dm head

scarlet hound
red marten
mighty gorge
#

For the small subscription price of 5$ a month you can join the biggest kards ladder decklist database available

#

accepting preorders now

#

Finally I can monetize my ladder hours

soft hatch
severe dawn
#

So, someone who ropes me, and emote spams me and generally acts like a toxic c&nt gets to use my deck? I don't f&cking think so amigos!

scarlet hound
mighty gorge
#

Updated daily

#

High elo decks

honest goblet
#

"Mr Baron why are there 91 instances of 1.Infantry Regiment on the first day"

green geode
scarlet hound
#

$5 month, database with player decklists
$10 discord access with full stat tracking database + player decklist database
$15 Same perks + Jersey and Thanatron dog walking pics

green geode
#

where is your dog walking pic

scarlet hound
green geode
#

dam

pine owl
#

Value

#

I HAVE to buy after this preview

humble totem
#

Hopefully

scarlet hound
#

Me sucking in all opponent lists

pine owl
#

For a small extra fee of 8€ on top of buying your battlepass you will also get the ability to use the "copy deck" feature DURING ladder games! Don't get surprised by your opponent's janky control list any longer!

stuck pivot
#

I have no knowledge or interest in the current state of the game or the people drama involved

green mortar
# woeful thicket I'm honestly shocked beyond words they DIS Jking; who btw.. has essentially bui...

jking is a great player and content creator but to claim hes built the morale and fun in this game is an insane idea, they didnt DIS him by not listening to him and his presence in tournaments and on youtube not give him some right to have input in the decisions made by 1939. I'm not saying his opinions are wrong by any means but im saying the idea that a community member has alone built the community that exists and that he should get special treatment are both insulting ideas

#

hes a great player and a good friend of mine and i hold him in very high regard, but the game and its community would still exist no matter what

#

rally behind his ideas by all means but dont start with this bs

#

a lot of people have put a lot of work and effort into building the community and to attribute to a single person like that is just dumb

errant snow
#

Yeah for me it was Spooz that i first found, it was his vid proving that Kards are not P2W.
That was the initial thing that started my interest and nudged me to try the game.

scarlet hound
#

Never forget RD BigDog

balmy jewel
#

It was just a laughing gif iirc, and idr for sure if they replied to him or someone else, but it was right after

green mortar
#

if personal insults were made then thats wrong, but either way i stand by the rest of my words

balmy jewel
#

Agreed

serene tide
woeful thicket
# green mortar a lot of people have put a lot of work and effort into building the community an...

Yeah yeah yeah, I know I know... just making a point on the disregard for our current crisis. It's a complete debacle.
I went over the top with Jking I get it. It's really reaching out to 1939 and absolutely no respect for players that PLAYTEST this game (ex: Jking and others)
No one gets the memo, just cram it up your *** and deal with it.
What kind of community is that?

No bad blood Mr. Bubbles. You one of my heroes too so don't be so dumb about it in response lmao

  • Joking
    Lu man
pine owl
#

Surely no one intended to make Jking out to be the only one who built the community... Of course each of us remembers the creator that first introduced them or guided them in the world of Kards, for me it was Spooz...

#

Everything else is just friendly banter

#

I appreciate Jking for his solid arguments in his (long) videos, but also I had more than a few laughs at Bubbles' jokes and his commentary is on point

woeful thicket
feral epoch
#

(And please don't forget the CN part of community)

green mortar
green mortar
feral epoch
#

It's not healthy for a community to have only one or a few "leaders".

errant snow
#

This is getting cringe worthy. The thread already has 660 replies at this point. Everything that could have been said, has been said, and now it's going off topic.
Why don't we just move this convo somewhere else 😉

woeful thicket
errant snow
#

only if you're buying Lad

woeful thicket
#

Besides, we're BONDING 💪

green mortar
woeful thicket
#

There better be a battle royale in the battle_chat after all this settles. I've got a few names in mind I'd like to play 😂 😂
and they can keep their darn dang deck afterwards. I don't want it 😅

errant snow
scarlet hound
#

I sleep better at night knowing j is my king

green mortar
#

anyway ive said what i wanted to say on the topic

#

i dont really have much more to say on it

#

i dont think caspian thinks that hes the only person that built the community up either, i think he was just feeling the moment and typed how he felt at that time

#

which is more than okay

#

but to respond to that and say actually thats not quite true

#

i think is also okay

foggy comet
#

Nough said

pine owl
#

Of course! We concur on that

green mortar
#

im not mad at anyone to be clear, just defending what is important to me as an individual

#

its not like ive ordered 3 hitman to go after caspian or anything

#

shit dude

#

they say no refunds

#

ma bad

pine owl
#

Well basically fuck y'all (in Italy this is used to mean: love you all)

woeful thicket
scarlet hound
#

Your name has been noted

pine owl
green mortar
woeful thicket
scarlet hound
#

Now it's personal

pine owl
humble totem
green mortar
humble totem
#

Honestly, it would be amazing if we hit more than the nerf Monty thread in comments

woeful thicket
#

ELIN going to come in here guys and kick ban all of us if we don't get the hell outta his thread...hahah
Did she not sound though like a Karen just bit? 🤪

scarlet hound
green mortar
green mortar
wicked vigil
pine owl
#

Basically this thread has become the great bonding thread between players of all walks of life

#

Maybe the real opt-out option was the friends we made along the way?

errant snow
#

Sounded like a manager with strict guidelines to be honest. As she stated mostly the same as we've read in the previous annoucements already

#

i mean that's the job, so you can't do much about it

pine owl
#

She has to be diplomatic and she does her job well. In her place, I'd already have littered the chat with slurs

woeful thicket
errant snow
woeful thicket
scarlet hound
errant snow
#

lmao

woeful thicket
#

lmao

humble totem
#

actually hate to tell you this but this game aint real

errant snow
#

yeah, we know

humble totem
#

we just all an imagination

scarlet hound
#

I don't want your deck code if that's how you think

violet sky
#

On pace to break nerf Monty’s reply record 🥳

woeful thicket
serene tide
pine owl
# serene tide

Be careful with these memes, my dad works for the CIA and he can get your entire neighborhood addicted to Kards deckcodes

rugged lichen
#

Kards is simply a simulation created by the icelandic government

#

😎

#

Wake up sheeple

scarlet hound
errant snow
rugged lichen
#

I knew it

#

😤

errant snow
#

The earths just too flat for that

grizzled geyser
#

Literally if I see you play a deck for a few turns I could recreate it currently, its usually not rocket science to figure out the cards once you see the theme of the deck.

scarlet hound
#

for most decks, but the splash kards and tuning can have a big effect on how the deck draws and performs. and can have unexpected meta reads

hexed flame
#

Can someone tell me what is this "deck stealing"? I don't see any button to copy an opponent's deck in battle, or am I missing the point here?

maiden kraken
#

We are 'discussing' an upcoming feature

hexed flame
#

I'm just curious, what about this? Isn't this the same thing as "deck stealing"?

#

https://www.kards.com/decks

Decks

Browse through all shapes and sizes of decks. Copy directly to Kards or build your own. Vote up your favorites or discuss the decks that interest you.

#

If not functionally better?

red marten
hexed flame
#

Taken? But you don't lose cards in the process

#

Are people seriously advocating for intellectual property rights? IN A GAME!?! This is absurd

serene tide
hexed flame
#

Too tired to discuss the absurdity of the idea of intellectual property, but I might come back later to actually discuss it

maiden kraken
hexed flame
#

Also, just a TLDR, there are loads of card games where you can copy the decks of an opponent. A quick google search should convince anyone of that

hexed flame
maiden kraken
#

I'm just stating the situation as it is <_>

red marten
maiden kraken
#

Besides, there's the other real consideration for competitive players deck testing in secret.

hexed flame
#

'sides, most of building a deck is just grinding, not. Many players, myself included, have a pretty good idea of what a good deck looks like, especially since I see the cards played by my opponents, I just cant build the ideal deck cause I dont have all the cards

woeful thicket
fluid bloom
maiden kraken
#

<@&372768222501535745> can we shut this down before name calling happens

hexed flame
#

I've never seen a game, even a competitive one, where people wanna treat their techniques like it's some state secret. FFS in chess, one of the most competitive games in history, hardly anyone is trying to guard their tactics like their life depends on it. Informatioon on your equipment or tactics does not mean everyone else will know how to use it

red marten
ruby panther
#

Please keep it civil, guys!

#

Thank you! (:

hexed flame
storm burrow
#

Oh come on it's not like ye have a fucking copyright claim on a bunch of virtual fucking cardboard

hexed flame
#

Here's the deal though. Even if everyone knows their deck, it does not mean they will know how to use it. You alone know why your deck is built the way it is built

hexed flame
maiden kraken
hexed flame
red marten
hexed flame
#

Like, my gf for example, has pretty strong decks, and she even shares her decks with me. But I am smart enough to realize, that I can't copy her decks and expect to perform on her level, because my tactics and manner of thinking about the game is gonna be different from hers

sharp niche
hexed flame
#

People still get to see in battle what cards you deploy that work, and which ones dont, get over yourselves

hexed flame
red marten
chilly meadow
#

The game is small enough that meta decks take time to circulate into the community

storm burrow
chilly meadow
#

Often times people only realise a deck is strong once it’s brought in the monthly occ

#

Which is posted in #tournament-results-and-decks

#

But with the new feature, competitive players can’t test their new creations anymore

#

Cuz opponents will copy before OCC

maiden kraken
#

Case in point exile air, hammer home went unused for 2 OCCs right

fluid bloom
#

They can test in friendlies like civilised people

hexed flame
#

In every fucking game I know of, people learn from their opponents. It is a natural part of the game. I have never seen anyone before trying to try and forbid others from learning from them. It is super toxic mentality, that the mere possibility of someone being able to learn from you and challenge you is some existential threat. That is what narcissism is at the end of the day. You imagine yourself as a god, and anything that can serve to shatter that illusion is a threat

chilly meadow
#

Yeah so people now have to play friendlies

#

Instead of ranked

sharp niche
fluid bloom
#

Which is gonna help them test better than queuing into random ladder stuff

chilly meadow
#

It’s not about gatekeeping the decks

sharp niche
#

And for what? To have a worse way to netdeck?

chilly meadow
#

It’s more of how fast it spreads

#

If anything it’ll make new decks even harder to come by because now people won’t bring new creations to ranked

#

Only in friendlies

#

Between trusted people

hexed flame
maiden kraken
#

Yeah, comp players don't mind sharing their decks, they are forced to when they submit it for tourney process anyways, they just dont want the other comp players to get an unfair advantage

chilly meadow
#

So it’s becoming even worse gatekeeping than before

chilly meadow
maiden kraken
#

#1216992528218329199 hence why this thread

hexed flame
maiden kraken
#

Didn't get a lot of traction though

chilly meadow
#

Competitive players don’t see each others decks until submission

#

After submission they can’t change the lists anymore

#

So it’s an advantage to bring new tech or new meta decks

#

To counter them

ruby panther
red marten
woeful thicket
chilly meadow
#

Often times these decks aren’t used much to keep it a secret

#

Until deck list submission is closed

maiden kraken
#

If X knows Y's frontline list runs only 2 164th Infantry X could play Honey instead of 4 Supply Shortage

#

Example

chilly meadow
#

Once lists are posted

#

It’s too late cuz deck change isn’t allowed

#

Inherently giving the advantage to the player who put in time and effort to assess what cards to swap and new cards to bring etc

#

With the copy feature, this is dead

#

So they’re forced to practice with friends instead

#

Meaning more gatekeeping

hexed flame
#

Nor the synergy of every card

hexed flame
woeful thicket
hexed flame
woeful thicket
#

Nah, I'm going to put myself in the penalty box and wait for you to go to get the hell outta here 😎

hexed flame
#

Lol, exactly

storm burrow
ruby panther
#

70% of the time it's going to be:
New player gets crushed, copies the deck just to realize he owns 10 out of the 39 which renders the deck unplayable.
Next thing that happens is they're going to seek advice here, which is the same scenario as before shrug

chilly meadow
#

It’s just a conflict of interest for casual players vs competitive players

#

Casual players, feature doesn’t make a difference

#

But for competitive, it matters a lot

hexed flame
chilly meadow
#

For new players not much changes

red marten
sharp niche
# hexed flame So the worry is about a super niche phonemenon in the game, and *that* has to ge...

Now, as u've mentioned, in every fucking game u know of, people learn from eachother. And that's true for the current state of the game as well. The issue isn't that we can learn from eachother. We r complaining about a change and that's not what is changing. The issue is that now we will be submitted to give out more information than what could be learned from the game. And yes, this only makes it way worse for the comp players, but it's not like this is a great gain for everyone.
If u r stuck at rank 15, what u most likely learn is the deck of someone else stuck at rank 15. It's not a good lesson. Those guys just got something way worse, then searching for decks on the net or asking for advice on discord.

chilly meadow
#

It just makes it so that competitive players will be more secretive now

#

Which can be a good or bad thing

#

Idk

hexed flame
hexed flame
hexed flame
red marten
hexed flame
sharp niche
hexed flame
#

I look at decks that are published, I even have my gf share all her decks with me. The reason I dont copy decks isn't because I take moral issue with it, but it's because every deck is good for the person that made it. I take inspiration from other decks, but any player that's smart would know that merely copypasting a deck wont give them the same advantage of the origional creator

#

So someone just blindly copypasting your decks isn't gonna really be a threat

storm burrow
#

honestly the only thing I do have against this new button is that it distracts from the real problem
aka PROPER MONTHLY BALANCE PATCHES WHEN

chilly meadow
hexed flame
#

I dont know of any other, lol

red marten
#

Bruh

chilly meadow
sharp niche
#

And all that before a competition.

hexed flame
#

Then ask for a seperate game mode

red marten
hexed flame
#

Why ruin the game for non-comp players trying to get better?

chilly meadow
#

Why not ask for opt out feature

sharp niche
ruby panther
#

Separate queues for FM grind and players in FM ?

maiden kraken
#

^

hexed flame
storm burrow
#

Separate queue for top 50 or so

maiden kraken
#

it has been done before, they have been asking for a comp league

sharp niche
#

Or ideally, for scrapping this feature as a whole.

hexed flame
storm burrow
#

When they can go hide their precious little 1 kerd changes they're so afraid of showing

red marten
hexed flame
#

It'll only make the general game more toxic, because it will plant the idea in people's heads that ur deck needs to be a cloesly guarded secret

sharp niche
hexed flame
ruby panther
#

I ain't fond of this feature either, tbh 😔

chilly meadow
green mortar
maiden kraken
#

Qualifying for competitive play every month starts in Ranked

chilly meadow
#

Just make it so we can opt out

#

Easy

red marten
chilly meadow
#

If you want the feature, keep it on

#

I personally would turn it off in a heartbeat

hexed flame
chilly meadow
#

Casual players will reach Fm regardless

hexed flame
chilly meadow
#

Make it opt in by default so casual players like yourself can use it

hexed flame
#

Why share decks when you dont have to?

chilly meadow
#

Exactly the point

#

If everyone will opt out

#

Why make it a feature

green mortar
#

By that logic everyone would play the match making that hides their decks too and the separate mode now hits the same problem

hexed flame
#

Wait, is being able to opt out part of the dev plans?

maiden kraken
#

Nope

green mortar
#

A separate queue is just an opt out feature with extra steps

maiden kraken
#

People want the opt out, hence this thread

red marten
chilly meadow
#

Exactly the point of the thread

#

Lol

hexed flame
#

My gods and all my ancestors. Yall are insufferable. Im going to bed

green mortar
#

What

red marten
sharp niche
chilly meadow
#

Again it’s a conflict of interest between casuals like yourself and tryhard competitors

#

We only have ranked and let’s be honest

#

Nobody plays casual

ruby panther
#

It's a feature nobody asked for, the selling point that it will "help new players" ain't a selling point at all... new players get all the help they'll ever need here on discord, youtube, twitch etc... there's plenty of sources... sources that are FAR better than a copy deck function could ever be, IMHO.

red marten
storm burrow
#

People being so damn mad because of a button that changes pretty much nothing

#

How do I stop laughing

chilly meadow
ruby panther
storm burrow
#

Help me

hexed flame
green mortar
chilly meadow
hexed flame
red marten
hexed flame
#

Whatever, goodnight. Stop pinging me

green mortar
#

You literally just called everyone insufferable because they didn't agree with you

red marten
maiden kraken
#

the funny thing is I agree with them, they are the casual player I was hypothesizing about

storm burrow
chilly meadow
#

Yea but for that months OCC, it matters a lot

red marten
chilly meadow
#

But once the decks are published it hardly matters

sharp niche
storm burrow
#

Unless ye like make a deck lock it in a basement and then only reveal it when it's submit time KEKW
Probably the only scenario when change 100% wouldn't be noticed

chilly meadow
#

No one played it until it was brought to OCC

#

Then everyone copied

green mortar
#

I didn't think it was a particularly big deal but if the majority of comp players dislike a feature, there might be a reason other than "they must want to gate keep competitive kards" or "they're all narcissistic:

chilly meadow
#

And here we are

red marten
green mortar
scarlet hound
#

operation follows essence

chilly meadow
red marten
storm burrow
#

My fucking sides

#

Ow

ruby panther
#

------------------- Topic concludes -------------------

scarlet hound
#

which topic?

green mortar
#

Y'all wrong and I'm right, how ever I don't particularly have a strong opinion

#

So that means both camps are wrong

storm burrow
#

Everyone is wrong full stop

#

Now let's all go have a beer or something

scarlet hound
#

no, corn

chilly meadow
#

Your favourite nation

honest goblet
#

compromise: tequila

storm burrow
novel notch
#

I got pinged do I need to like do anything

storm burrow
green mortar
#

Bonty posting

20240313_005109.jpg
red marten
storm burrow
novel notch
#

anyway in case it wasn't said keep things civil. Seems like one of the threads to get toxic if not kept on track

green mortar
#

I too don't drink alcohol anymore but burger is nice

storm burrow
sharp niche
red marten
red marten
storm burrow
#

do I count as toxic if there's booze in me?

storm burrow
red marten
ruby panther
#

Pls try to stay on topic as much as possible, and please don't goad each other

red marten
#

Sorry.

woeful thicket
#

Is he gone? 👀
and yeah MP404, the penalty box is empty for you next 🤣

storm burrow
#

Gonna make a new complaint brb

woeful thicket
#

SUNNY, we're at 961 now.. what was the MONTY nerf record? I somehow think we are secretly striving for it in here * giggle

woeful thicket
serene tide
#

Has this thread passed Monty status yet?

#

Oh, we do be getting close

Monty.JPG
woeful thicket
#

Well as much as I don't want to say this.. Firebird
Do your thing bruh 👄

#

I want to be apart of history! 🏆 🌹

maiden narwhal
#

competitive???

#

😆

#

the best joke in this topic

serene tide
#

#1216710626496483399 message
#1216710626496483399 message

maiden narwhal
#

The true fact is this stupid garbage feature is destroying the real competitive and destroying this game

unkempt osprey
#

I mean its not that deep tbh

mighty gorge
# hexed flame Last thing I will say before I leave. The more information is avaliable to every...

You have a really narrow view on this. The reality this feature brings about is that every serious competitive player will be incentivized to keep a spreadsheet of everyone they play on ladder to gain an unfair advantage over everyone else who doesn't do this to basically create one sided open decklist matchups.

It'll also tone down creativity in ladder play and dull the diversity because a) people don't wanna bring specific tech they think is great to save it for tournament and b) people will be copying whatever works best.

Another side effect is that you'll have a whole load of low rank players baited into crafting shit cards because they get beaten by some other bad deck that just kinda rolled well vs them

vapid dagger
mighty gorge
#

When you grind higher fm elo for hours, you'll have repeating matchups every session, so the spreadsheet thing is an actual real issue that creates unfair games for people who don't wanna maintain a spreadsheet everytime they play

mighty gorge
mighty gorge
#

Which there is a bunch of, even top 34 regulars and people who made top 8s before

woeful thicket
sharp niche
# mighty gorge You have a really narrow view on this. The reality this feature brings about is ...

Fun fact, that view ("the more information is available to everyone within a system, the more competitive it is") ain't just narrow minded but factually incorrect. A simple counter example would be the number guessing game. We could add extra information to the system for everyone by making the thought of number public, but that would not make the game more competitive. It would make it less so given that the guesser is now guaranteed victory. This is just to show that premise is wrong.
But von, Jking etc brought up a bunch of examples of how it hurts the comp.

violet sky
#

I think if new players copy a list they’re beat by and see the cards they’re missing they’re more likely to spend money, since they have a tangible idea of what (at least they think) they need. This feature is only negative for a small portion of the community and as long as it doesn’t anger them enough to leave then 1939 gonna go and get the bag

regal crag
#

1939:But then again, mad scientist decks are the bread and butter of many card gamers.
also 1939:Hmm.Allow players to copy opponents deck might be a good idea.
🤯

green geode
#

.

#

cmon, I know your language skill is not this wacky

sharp niche
#

And another point. We have comp worries and low rank worries. Or just simple but fair hate. And most of the counterpoints we see is basically that "it's not that bad, suck it up" (and a bunch of the argument is not even that quality). But what r the positives that would warrant doing such a thing? If the best point of a feature that some can point to is that we can live with it, we would still be better off without.

night jacinth
night jacinth
maiden narwhal
scarlet hound
#

Oof, hitting bubbles with the Chamberlain comp

green mortar
#

You speak as if they're some evil organisation

#

"1939 apologist"

#

It's a video game and they're video game devs