2nd California

[bright drum]

@civic tangle, Good afternoon. My name is Igor, known in KARDS as Zaibatsu. I've been playing KARDS for 7 months now and became a member of the officers' club in the first full season. In general, I've been playing video games since 1992 and have a lot of experience in different genres, so it wasn't difficult for me. I really like the game, except for some moments, the presence of which in the game I can not understand either logically or mathematically. You have already fixed some of them that violate the balance of the game, for which I thank you very much! But there is one BIG problem that is not solved, most likely due to the fact that many players use it to increase the number of wins, which in itself is unfair to other mechanics. We are talking about the detachment "2nd California". In addition to this squad, there are 183 other units of the same type in the game, but not one of them can inflict 15 units of damage by spending only 8 credit points (without using other cards). I would like to ask why this unit is so exceptional and why it still has such a passive function, if mathematically the advantage in spending credits is almost half as much as any other infantry unit represented in the game? I ask you very much to pay attention to this letter and this problem, which for many is still a loophole that allows you to win back a HUGE number of credit points without doing absolutely anything for this.

[graceful cosmos]

[sharp wigeon]

This infantry can do 18 points in 4 kredits

[ocean badger]

554th rifle regiment can deal damage indefinitely for 0k

[flat canopy]

is this a troll post?

I mean, yeah cali stronk

But it isn't really this game's biggest problem

and meta frontline build doesn't use it

[bright drum]

With all due respect, Iroquois Plizkin, but this squad has a 9/9 only under certain conditions. There is not a single squad in the game that can be so profitable on loans without any buffs and other effects. This is arithmetic for a schoolboy, there is no need for a calculator. Why for many it is the magic of the highest level I can not understand. Good luck

[bright drum]

Yes, of course, endlessly, by myself, without buffs and orders, straight imba 🙂 You're so funny

[graceful cosmos]

This math does not check out at all. Firstly your scenario only works over a span of multiple turns in which the first airborne is very comparable to now. It for sure doesnt have blitz but since it comes down turn 1 and not turn 6, by turn t6 both of them are potent units.

On a vacuum this is fine and strong and all. Omg my opponent has to trade 2 or 3 units into this to kill it this is so busted.. not.
They just play red dawn or any other removal they have in hand. Be it hammer, supply shortage shenanigans, pins+removal, bombers, arty………. Endless options cause the game has infinite amount of removal

[ocean badger]

I was going to type out that 'damage dealt per kredit spent' isn't the only metric you should use, but erbol explained that pretty well. I'm not saying cali isn't strong, but it isn't ridiculous.
Really, it is an anti-unit unit, and orders and some abilities deal with it efficiently.

[winged eagle]

pretty much every decent deck has an efficient way of dealing with cali

[native finch]

If were only going on pure damage statistics for cost without putting into account the enemies counters then 1ST TAIPEI REGIMENT can deal more damage. It can deal 18 damage for only 5 kredits so has an almost 4 damage to credit ratio over 4 turns. Not putting into account its destruction effect. But despite such an amazing statistics on paper it is terrible in practice.

2nd California may be quite powerful on paper, but when you put into account the rest of the options your opponents have to counter him he's not an invincible value machine.

[bright drum]

How can the First Taipei Regiment deal 18 damage for 0 credits without orders and additional conditions? You, sir, are a storyteller 🙂

[native finch]

Well as you can see it is 5 kredits to play and has blitz so on the first turn it moves on then you simply do preschool math. It has 0 operation cost so it literally can't use any more kredits. It has fury which means it can attack twice a turn (3+3=6).

So over 3 turns the damage is:
6+6+6 = 18

[bright drum]

Only you did not take into account that, unlike 2 California, his health decreases not by 1, but by the number of attacks of the attacked squad. How will he be able to hit three times, like squad 6/6?

You are all proving the truth, which is not there. Put all 184 units on the table and beat them against each other, 15 health points will be removed only by 2nd California. The point on this, write some kind of heresy

[sharp wigeon]

What a strange set of rules you arbitrarily establish to judge card effectiveness

[ocean badger]

or it can trade 1:1 to a no. 1 commando.

same for bryansk irregulars.

a bit of a stretch, but akita has a chance to trade 1:1

or, as previously stated, you actually deal with california by exploiting its weakness, instead of trying to overpower its strength.

[ocean badger]

again, for the record: I'm not saying 2nd california isn't overtuned, I can't quite tell without data. However, it definitely isn't nearly as bad as you make it seem in the opening post.

[bright drum]

Still, I think that this squad should have in the description "Can't get protection points". This would more or less balance it in relation to other infantry detachments.

[ocean badger]

btw, its really weird how you compare it exclusively to infantry

[full canyon]

Most units don’t last on the board for more than 2-3 turns, at least at the higher ranks.

There are just so many orders and deployment effects to kill threatening units.

[tall gorge]

! 554th

[tall gorge]

Can you just make a summary please instead of a huge unreadable text?