#Trying to make my mix beltier help

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calm badger
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I also choked on water before this so the start is a bit uh

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Yk maybe I’m just in head voice idk

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Like I see videos of ppl posting themselves mixbelting and

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I can’t seem to achieve the same thing

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Pmo

past coral
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Try and place your voice more around the roof of your mouth and add some more twang

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Would you say your chest voice is as developed as your head voice too?

calm badger
calm badger
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But I just can’t seem to do it in a mix

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Here’s me doing this all in a chest belt

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Sorry it’s a bit bad rn-

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I’m aware my chest voice is rlly diff from my head voice hhh

past coral
# calm badger

Are you singing through your nose? When you sang tears it sounds a bit nasal, and singing through your nose can limit your resonance. You can check by pinching your nose when you singing and see if you sound stuffy

calm badger
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I do actually have rintitus tho so it could contribute to it

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😭

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past coral
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You also have a tendency to narrow your vowels so maybe experiment with wider vowels such ah or eh

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Your rhinitis doesnt help but maybe also lift the soft palate if you arent doing that?

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calm badger
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The issue is that I sound like I’m doing opera if I don’t narrow

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😭

calm badger
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I think

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Thanks lol

calm badger
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I’ll try the nose trick yeah

past coral
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Its just narrowing vowels can create tension especially if you are going for higher belts

past coral
# calm badger I’ll try the nose trick yeah

Generally you want to place your sound forward on your cheekbones/face (this is what people mean by singing with the mask) but avoiding the nasal cavity. This will give you the bright sound you need without that nasality for higher notes

calm badger
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Maybe this isn’t a good example

past coral
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You wont actually sound operatic unless you overly round your vowels and enunciate every syllable, which is not what youre doing

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past coral
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Belt is mostly breath support/airflow and resonance

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also some twang might help

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past coral
# calm badger Hhh it still sounds kinda the same

Are you not getting enough power or is it the sound bothering you? Also are you singing in an environment where you can be loud because sometimes it can be a mental block to not want to disturb people

calm badger
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Idk it’s too soft for me 😔

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And lol that might be part of it- my house has thin walls lol

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2:30 or so onwards is the part I was trying to “belt” idk

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It sounds stronger when she does it

past coral
# calm badger It sounds stronger when she does it

She's not belting imo, in fact I think she's keeping it quite constrained and controlled. She's more just playing around with phrasing, emphasising key words like 'all','power', 'play' and 'puppeteer'. She does raise the volume near the end at 3:50 but she still isnt belting, and then she comes back down in volume again.

You can also hear she's keeping vowels open, and enunciating words clearly which typical for musical theatre vocal styles.

past coral
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belting is more like strong sustained notes like he's doing

fluid sundial
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IMO there are steps being skipped. Before you can ever belt, you need to have a supported sound in both your chest and head voices, open vowels, and work on strengthening your mix (I use slides on a 5th to get control and flexibility over my mix). Really open your mouth - I don't think that your open vowel sound sounds operatic at all. Really feel your abdomen expand when you are breathing (can supply breath control exercises as well)... and most importantly, relax everything. Belting is a big sound, but there should never be any tension anywhere to get the desired effect. You have to walk before you can run. While the guy in the video above describes "light" and "heavy", I see the heavy as having tension/pushing and the light as lacking cord closure.

fluid sundial
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can you post something of your chest voice pls?

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just not hearing anything mixed at this point from what you've posted so want to hear chest voice

calm badger
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It’s a matter of time then ahhhh

calm badger
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Thanks tho

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Why is it so complicated?!

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fluid sundial
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Chest voice singing. Power/volume comes through the space you create in your mouth and power with your breath. Pushing vocally is not healthy

fluid sundial
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I am a strong believer that 99% of issues are fixed in singing through practicing the foundations and not through complicated targeted exercises. Personally, I think the power will come for you if you focus on your breath support, vowel modification/openness for broadway, and learning to become more flexible/comfortable in your mix through some sliding exercises. I can show you exactly what I'd recommend exercise wise but first wanted to just give one example of the difference that openness and support can give.

Example 1

  • Closed off with my vowels
  • Breathing with shoulders, not deeply with abdomen expanding
  • Which results in a bright tone
  • soft palate lowered
  • less accurate pitch
  • incapable of vibrato
  • lacking volume and substance

Example 2

  • Open vowels, modified for the genre
  • Breathing deeply
  • Darker tone
  • Stylistic vibrato
  • More pitch accuracy
  • Belting
calm badger
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Then the second one hit me and I was like

calm badger
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Ah it’s all the same

fluid sundial
# calm badger And thanks- so I just keep practising 😔

Practice sliding on a 5th through your mix range (can record if you need me to), breathing mechanics, such as laying on a floor flat and singing, taking a deep breath and releasing on a “s” for as long as possible, singing in front of a mirror to make sure you are dropping your jaw (put hands on your cheeks as well to encourage tall vowels), ascending 5 tone scales on “hey” to help strengthen your chest voice, and arpeggios

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Let me know if you need examples of each one

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Can record

fluid sundial
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fluid sundial
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If you keep working with the right exercises and feedback, it’s definitely possible. Anyone can sing

fluid sundial
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note that on the mix voice exercise I screwed up exactly in the thing the exercise is strengthening! I went flat on my break and had a bit of a crackly. That is totally okay and part of the process.

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You have to fail to grow. Test out these exercises and let me know how you feel

calm badger
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I’ll check these later hhhh

calm badger
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😔😔

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It keeps doing an audible flip hhh

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I can do like a slide but I can’t do the v ahh

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Weirdly enough

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Wait I sorta got it let’s go