No it's issue with SFP
#Spellforge (Noita-like Spellcrafting)
inner vector
isnt Colony_assassin the carrier object
its like
'the spell'
for SFP
the invisible marker is for the vanilla default projectile
cyan phoenix
Ahhhh
Right so why isn't the spell spawning then hmm
It needs 3rd visual ?
I mean 3rd object?
seems like the marker is overwriting the visual maybe ?
inner vector
with OSSC?
because Spellforge isn't telling SFP to cast anything
im adding in to spellforge
tada.
I need to fix audio now
explosions sound seem to happen like at my location instead of at the impact
cyan phoenix
Awesome ! So it wasn't me after all haha
cyan phoenix
But you know I was curious if it was SFP thing anyway need to squash any bugs
inner vector
maybe I explained poorly
oh well
it works now!
few more things to fix, few more event types to add (chain on payload, chain on multicast, maybe pierce and homing?), maybe some UI polish
submit for week 3
happy days
no debloat pass 
and I'm off Saturday so I'll have a WHOLE day to finish it up for week 3
cyan phoenix
having a full day to work on a mod is indeed good
magic moat
Hell yeah!
inner vector
I'll try to squeak out the sound fix before sleep
oh
its SFP.
OSSC has the same issue
cyan phoenix
Can you record exactly, so I can fix it
inner vector
vanilla fireball
OSSC cast -> explode way out of earshot -> loud
Vanilla Cast -> Same -> silent
doesnt seem to matter WHERE the SFP cast hits, its always the same volume
the bolt sound itself seems to work fine tho, it fades away as it flies off
you can also see the speed difference 🫣
my RC must be cursed
cyan phoenix
Ahh this, allright I'll take a look into it, there is a max distance sound for sure to set
magic moat
Are you playing the sound as a 2d one, or 3d at the projectile location?
inner vector
I wonder if the explosion sfx is playing on the character
inner vector
the bolt sfx seems to travel with the projectile
so that seems fine
maybe the engine has issue with playing sounds away from the player manually? but they can travel away normally?
cyan phoenix
I think (haven't checked) it's just the wrong playback target
for the explosion
since the sound anchor works, flies together with the bolt
it's the explosion, maybe it's played as ambient and not as 3d
Needs checking
inner vector
magic moat
Wouldn't be surprised if - when the bolt disappears - the sfx location defaults to the player? 2d vs 3d is also a likely cause in my experience
cyan phoenix
This might be, needs a function to play before destruction
possibly fallbacks to the player
inner vector
we know where the bolt hits so we can fire the explosion vfx
feed pos into audio?
idk Ive never done audio stuff
no idea how it works in openmw
cyan phoenix
audio is like 2-3 small functions
https://openmw.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/lua-scripting/openmw_ambient.html
this plays 2D (inside player)
https://openmw.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/lua-scripting/openmw_core.html##(Sound)
this plays 3D
inner vector
inner vector
does a 3d sound need to be attached to an object?
magic moat
Makes it easy to debug too
cyan phoenix
Sound.playSound3d(soundId, object, options)
Play a 3D sound, attached to object
In local scripts can be used only on self.
Sound.playSoundFile3d(fileName, object, options)
Play a 3D sound file, attached to object
In local scripts can be used only on self.
inner vector
cyan phoenix
Yes the object is mandatory
cyan phoenix
That's why I need to account for it
Will probably just create another dummy object to spawn for these 2 seconds
on the impact point
inner vector
does the object need to continue to exist for the sound to play fully?
cyan phoenix
Yes
magic moat
👍
cyan phoenix
I think so
magic moat
Would make sense
inner vector
is the explosion itself not an object?
inner vector
I see
cyan phoenix
despite using the same file and mesh lol
You can spawn items as animations or as objects
both having their own characteristics
objects you can scale but cannot move around if it's animation
magic moat
That explains why replacing a summon always plays the conjuration sounds in your ears, because the unsummon sfx plays after the actor disappears
cyan phoenix
animations you can move but cannot scale (directly)
but you can workaround animation scaling by attaching... dummy invisible object WITH added animation the one you need scaled
inner vector
5am I must sleep, best of luck o7
magic moat
Toddcode Invisible Lights moment
cyan phoenix
the stuff I'm recently doing with the lua is just crazy
given the api limitations around animations
and in crazy I mean retarded
but working 😄
magic moat
No solution more permenant than a temporary one. If it works, it works
inner vector
inner vector
inner vector
Hmmm
should I feature gate multicast / multicast patterns and touch/self spells?
it seems kind of weird to do like Multicast 3 Shield on self
since it doesn't stack
hmmm
inner vector
we could make damage stack
I suppose that would be noita like
it probably stacks already
since each damage effect is its own unique record
cyan phoenix
since it doesn't stack
You literally can stack any effect 😄
inner vector
YES
sorry caps
you can make any spell stackable
if I cast shield for 5pt twice
I only have 5pt shield
if I cast 1-10dmg over 10 seconds twice, its still 1-10dmg over 10 seconds
this is vanilla
cyan phoenix
| `STACK_CONFIG` | Table controlling spell stacking limits. |
### D. Restricting Stacking
local I = require('openmw.interfaces')
if I.MagExp then
I.MagExp.STACK_CONFIG.SPELL_LIMITS["gods_shield"] = 1
end
change that number to how many times you want the spell to stack
works on shields etc
cyan phoenix
ohh that's on you 😄
inner vector
cyan phoenix
I am delving now into issue with the sound
worldly edge
how's the mod going
inner vector
its basically fully functional now
with maybe a few edge case combinations not supported yet
I'm still mulling over if I should make damage effects stack or not
so you could do like fireball trigger multicast 3 firebite
and it would hit the enemy with 3 firebite effects at the same time
I could just do damage only
but then people might wonder why shield and weakness to, and resistance, etc don't stack
worldly edge
😵💫
inner vector
I feel like the damage should stack
whats the point of 3 fireballs if only one does damage
cyan phoenix
or divide the damage between the amount of projectiles
worldly edge
honestly, what could be considered overpowered in vanilla could be acceptable in something like HBFS
inner vector
I'll just do damage then
since the main use of the system will almost certainly be the various damage spells
cyan phoenix
@inner vector #1492962758445109429 message
obsidian marten
cyan phoenix
Another two bugs squashed
cyan phoenix
Hey no problem ^^
cyan phoenix
Nice, but I see the castVfx is defaulting to Default cast VFX, intended?
inner vector
wdym?
cyan phoenix
the sparkles on hand while casting - defaultVfx and not the fire vfx
inner vector
oh
OH
it was fixed at one point
I think the debloat destroyed it
thanks!
I need to put that back in
cyan phoenix
No problem, got an eye for these details today
inner vector
new bug for me to fix
our now stacking spell effects dont seem to play nice with the cost parser and get ignored
fading fox
Nice, but I see the castVfx is defaulting to Default cast VFX, intended?
Nice that you mentioned these now, since I wanted to make a texture replacement just for them, but can’t figure out how they are called in the CS or files in general.
Can you tell me?
fading fox
Thanks! I do know about that list, but weird that I never noticed the vfx_default - instances before and therefore assumed that the vfx for destruction spells is like the default or something. Probably overlooked it.
inner vector
yeah the spell bolt is an actual weapon too
just Todd things
anyway mana cost is fixed
damage is stacking
and new critical bug
saving with an unexploded payload still existing and then loading during that session causes a hard crash
need to terminate projectiles onsave
cyan phoenix
or just have it saved and re-initiated/continued onLoad to not crash - keeping it vanilla behavior ^^
magic moat
^ This is the way
Otherwise you might run into issues like spell projectiles in air during auto/quicksaves causing a crash when loading.
Which is awful if you die just after saving while your spell is in transit
inner vector
its not the spell
its our container existing
openMW is like
wtf is this
crash.
magic moat
I wonder if the spell data is loaded before the entity that contains it
cyan phoenix
I had to check SFP and thanks for finding a bug for me 😄 It doesn't reinitiate the spell, I need to account for this
But it doesn't crash it either
so it's Spellforge thing
cyan phoenix
Wait until I add the reinitialisation through save, then we'll see if it helps
inner vector
I already put in a fix in spellforge
clearing projectiles onsave
it works but yeah they all go POOF
cyan phoenix
Definitely needs fixing, at least on my side and then we'll see
But tommorow I will be able to do it
Today I'm busy in a while
inner vector
OSSC doesnt do it
I think its just my wierd projectiles that do it
they are like not spells
they are lua brains
🧠
magic moat
magic moat
new test build soon
inner vector
just want to clean up the logs a bit
kind of messy
otherwise everything seems pretty good
last bit of UI polish, some good testing tomorrow, and then its ready for week 3
cyan phoenix
OSSC doesnt do it
I've checked with OSSC, it just disappears when loading the save where the vanilla spell was flying. So before working on that wait on my fix
cyan phoenix
kind of messy
Rather than reducing debug logs just gate them behind a setting
It's good to have extensive logs 😄
inner vector
yes
thats what I mean
put them under info or debug
only show errors/warns
a lot of stuff isnt organized
so it doesnt get gated right meow
inner vector
https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-horse-girl-umazing-thumb-up-gif-15731209575560...
damage effects stack with themselves now (ex: fireball trigger -> multicast 3 firedamage 10pt for 1 on touch = 30 damage dealt to target + fireball damage)
- firedamage
- frostdamage
- shockdamage
- poisondamage
- damagehealth
- damagefatigue
- damagemagicka
- absorbhealth
- absorbfatigue
- absorbmagicka
- drainhealth
- drainfatigue
- drainmagicka
cast VFX fixed
save load hard crash fixed
mana cost bug fixed
logs cleaned up a bit
magic moat
[spellforge][player.init][ERROR] SPELLFORGE_RUNTIME_ERROR intercept dispatch failed spell_id=Generated:0x53e4 err=homing helper launch job did not complete
[15:10:30.937 I] L@0x1[scripts/incantation/player.lua]: INCANTATION SKILL MOD: Cast custom spell 'New Spell' (+1.9 XP, +7 magicka [19.5% refund])
[15:10:30.960 I] Global[scripts/spellforge/global/init.lua]: [spellforge][global.executor][ERROR] SPELLFORGE_RUNTIME_ERROR SPELLFORGE_LIVE_2_2C_SIMPLE_DISPATCH_ERR spell_id=Generated:0x53e4 recipe_id=2f838da9 err=homing helper launch job did not complete; fallback blocked after live attempt
@inner vector
Putting homing on the spell stopped it from working
magic moat
Correction, it casts when there's no hostiles nearby
But when I would expect it to home, the spell fires nothing
[19:25:29.647 I] L@0x1[scripts/spellforge/player/init.lua]: [spellforge][player.init][ERROR] SPELLFORGE_RUNTIME_ERROR intercept dispatch failed spell_id=Generated:0x53f9 err=helper launch job did not complete```I took Homing off and it still doesn't work
Hmm, after changing from exterior, to interior, and back to exterior cells it works
I wonder if it's connected to the reloadlua I ran whilst testing my perks
OH
That's not great
So when I enter Combat, they stop working
Oh it's not combat
It's casting 3 or 4 spells
Lemme test
3 spells. then it cuts out
I wonder if it isn't able to create more invisible projectiles or spell data based on your current limits
Which would mean it's not cleaning itself properly
inner vector
ill take a look
magic moat
All spellforge
inner vector
huh
I dont have this issue
homing works in combat, spellforge works in combat
😵💫
homing still works on enemies
when homing is cast from a direct spell it has a short delay before it initiates
or else the cast starts off screen if that makes sense
IE you cast and the bolt seems to spawn from the edge of your screen and not the center
when homing is triggered from a payload, it starts homing instantly (projectile + trigger -> multicast + homing + projectile)
inner vector
hmm
it still might be my end
I tried the same spell but with absorb fatigue instead
and it doesn't resolve properly
inner vector
I wonder what's causing it on my end then
can you send the entire openmw.log?
"C:\Users\ [yourprofile] \Documents\My Games\OpenMW\openmw.log"
magic moat
inner vector
hmm
so our system limits the first cast to 8 casts
ie 'multicast 8 -> payload'
so for some reason the mod is accumulating
for you instead of reseting after each cast
cast cast cast fail
3 + 3 + 2
3 spells -> 3 spells -> 3 (hits 9, minus 1 cap of 8) doesn't fail though, the next cast does
i'm not sure why my game isn't behaving the same way though
working on a fix right meow
also working on expanding spell effect support since some spell effects still silently fail
inner vector
please try this one out for now
the rest of the fixes arent in yet
but that should fix your 'stops casting' issue
hard for me to test because my client isn't having that issue appear
inner vector
pretty much all effects should work now in recipe
added UI selection for any spell that targets attribute/skill but its kinda scuffed so need to figure out a better way I guess
you basically click a button and it moves forward in the list
I have no idea how to make a drop down, maybe a UI pops up and shows all the choice
anyway its functional at least
magic moat
Not getting the glitch anymore
On a fun note, this now works with the TR summon spells, but only with up to 2 summons
inner vector
On a fun note, this now works with the TR summon spells, but only with up to 2 s...
should I change that?
I could make summons more stackable than they are now
would be neat to shoot 8 bone walkers at someone
magic moat
I think 3 summons from a single spell is enough, you can still stack multiple spells
3 from 1 spell fits with Aryon's Helper from vanilla too
inner vector
so what do you mean
3 summons per spell but you can recast it for even more?
3 summons per payload so each payload can summon up to 3?
magic moat
A casting that same spell would refresh the duration/resummon
Casting a different spell with the same effect would summon more, like vanilla
inner vector
alright I'll take a look
I made the UI more vanilla
also all operators visible
will release with the summon fix
or rework I suppose
inner vector
A casting that same spell would refresh the duration/resummon
Casting a differen...
does this mean
3 of the same summon in a spell
or 3 seperate summons in a spell?
Multicast 3 Summon Scamp?
or just
Trigger -> Summon Scamp, Summon Bone Walker, Summon Skeleton
magic moat
Mutli-cast summon doesn't work, because summons can only target self.
The spells are made as just multiple summon emitters
So
Summon Dremora
Summon Dremora
Summon Dremora
inner vector
so you dont care what kind of creature it is
even duplicate
got it
I could make multicast 3 work just fine, it makes 3 seperate spells anyway
multicast 3 is the same thing as
Summon Dremora
Summon Dremora
Summon Dremora
SO the functionality should be:
Recast = Refresh Duration
New spell cast:
Multicast 3 Summon Dremora = Works (Spell Name 'Test 2')
6 Summons exist```Yeah, vanilla doesn't let you stack the same creature in a spell, so this mod letting you do that is a cool thing.
inner vector
awesome, got it.
inner vector
magic moat
The Gang
inner vector
multicast doesnt work
on summons tho
it only makes 1
fixing that
then I'll send the test build with summon revision + UI clean up
inner vector
so multicast summon works now but 3 summon spells standalone in a payload dont
xD
not sure how I broke that but lemme check
Yessssss
the boys are all here
inner vector
if nothing else is wrong then Test Build 4 is basically release ready
inner vector
multi-grouping seems tempermental
some combinations dont play along
ie (multicast 3 fireball shield)
inner vector
Multigrouping fixed
UI cleaned up some more (shows aoe size now)
added new modifier (Detonate)
Fixed Timer to detonate at end of timer, or act like trigger on impact
adding Detonate before a target spell inside a payload will cause it to explode instantly
Fireball
Timer
Detonate
Frostball```(Basically Nolla from Noita)
Touch payload on timer works if it hits an actor
but does nothing if timer activates
magic moat
Will test later :3
magic moat
magic moat
Updated to the Final Test Build
Tried to load a save
Got this error, and it kicked me back to the main menu
magic moat
Haven't tried a new save yet as I have Wrath and Glory session atm, but will test after
inner vector
ok thx
ill check it out, we did normalize the names in the UI
I must have messed something up
fading fox
I must have messed something up
This issue with the failed loaded save game might be something that isn't exclusive to your mod and always seem to happen when trying to remove or disable a mod wich added a new magic effect. Check out some conversations here. Skrow and Hyasinth are onto it, but couldn't figured it out yet. #1495408927246909612 message
fading fox
And here is my inital post about the issue. #1495408927246909612 message
inner vector
shoot…
well I guess its not a release blocker if its a known issue
saves can’t be continued if you remove the mod, and if I ever rename any spell effects in any update going forward, existing saves will break
cyan phoenix
I haven't got time to get to it yet but it seems it's possible to avoid this bug
fading fox
I see, I thought you already looked into and figured it out, based on what I forwarded earlier from another author's mod page 😅
inner vector
fading fox
No pressure though. Every new magic effect mod that came out recently is so good, that I actually haven't uninstalled any of them 
And it seems that most people think the same, since there weren't many who pointed out this issue
inner vector
could we re-register the broken MagicEffects during load context somehow?
all I did was normalize my spell names in the UI
so Summon Lesserbonewalker displays as Summon Bonewalker and it broke old saves 
I have to go to work so I can't really check the (Poison Weapons) fix out right now
inner vector
Or I guess somehow removing onSave, and re-registering onLoad?
but old saves wont work if you remove the mod, you’d still need to load in with the new version and make a new save
cyan phoenix
I see, I thought you already looked into and figured it out, based on what I for...
It was a quick check but didn't go deep into the code
Yet
cyan phoenix
but old saves wont work if you remove the mod, you’d still need to load in with ...
If you remove it onSave then it won't brick the save, since the data will be missing so it won't crash
inner vector
so it would fix the issue going forward
but it wont fix his issue right now
his current save is bricked with the new version
Hmm…
fading fox
I mean it's still worth a mention when people will donwload the magic effect mods later and hopefully won't have this issue then. Regardless of this, in the end it would need to be forwarded to the openmw devs I guess, so they can either incorparate said possible fix or at least mention the workaround in plain sight for when modders attempting new magic effects.
inner vector
Alright well then I might just release as is then if its a known issue
cyan phoenix
I did big red disclaimers in my spell mods 😄
inner vector
yeah I really dont want to delay any longer
I could chase bugs and feAtures for a while
cyan phoenix
Sometimes it’s better like this, so you’ll have a few reports at once and it’s faster to fix it that way rather than one by one 🙌
inner vector
There is a solution
it looks like it uses a spellinfo.yaml file
so the effects exist outside of the save
but I'm unsure how to do that with Spellforge since the effects are baked into the spell the user creates during runtime
can we write into a yaml file with lua? I don't think we can but I've never actually tried to write into mod files directly from the game
cyan phoenix
can we write into a yaml file with lua? I don't think we can but I've never actu...
I haven’t done yaml at all, been seeing it being used by Hyacinth/Pwn and also Ralts
So I don’t know the quirks yet
inner vector
load.lua reads that YAML at load-context time and registers a tiny, known set of records.
the yaml is generating the poison records
cyan phoenix
but I'm unsure how to do that with Spellforge since the effects are baked into t...
I’ll definitely feed it later to the machine and will see what it spews out
inner vector
I think for spellforge the only solution is to remove/restore spells onSave and onLoad
so if they uninstall the mod, there are no spells restored
and nothing fails
cyan phoenix
Yeah, saving to the storage file might do the trick and re-adding that on each load
Dunno if you can save such records to the .storage tho
inner vector
can we delete spells with Lua from the spellbook?
I think there was discussion about this elsewhere
cyan phoenix
Look on my grimoire video
It’s literally removing them 😄
And I cache that and if you drop the grimoire then theyre re-added back
inner vector
cyan phoenix
I can send you the files if you want to check out
Tieing that to save and load shouldnt be a problem, saving and loading are even exposed in the lua functions
So maybe that will be an easy solution for our problems with the custom spells
inner vector
the CURSE
my chaos budget was part of the regression way back when
right now we have a max cap of 32 helpers
which means you cant even trigger multicast 8 trigger multicast 8 trigger because its like 130 helpers
you CAN multicast 32 though
I had at one point raised the limit to like 128 but it seems it was part of what got destroyed by the debloat
only noticed because I was writing out a description of each modifier and I was like... wait the limits are wrong
cyan phoenix
The regressions by ai are far the worst thing imo
You had it working then it deletes it…
inner vector
twas my own ignorance
trusting an AI to merge and debloat and entire project even with 'safe' guidelines baked in was a fools errand
not making a backup RIGHT before doing it
was even more foolish
cyan phoenix
not making a backup RIGHT before doing it
Oh my god 😄
I do copy of every step to prevent most of the wrongdoings 😄
Which is still sometimes not enough
inner vector
now I know better
civic marten
Congrats, it's been an epic hussle. May your bugs be crushed most succinctly
cyan phoenix
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/59024
Heyy congrats!
inner vector
Good tools to invade the skeleton fort 😄
the test spell only did 1 damage per fireball because im lv1
but assuming you have the skill and mana...
cyan phoenix
Now it's just a matter of fine tune 😄
inner vector
already have new modifier ideas
Spell Vamp
damage to hp or mana
a modifier that makes a spell cost health instead of mana
(blood mage build maybe?)
civic marten
Sun's Dusk integration, Hydraulic magic: costs water from your inventory
If you run out of water it uses potions
inner vector
I already have a mod detection feature in DaggerfallCC, I suppose it would be fairly simple to add in a modifier if Suns Dusk is detected
cyan phoenix
a modifier that makes a spell cost health instead of mana
About This one I was thinking literally yesterday
cyan phoenix
Well, absorb spells you already have in the engine
inner vector
knockback modifier for aoe
cyan phoenix
It's only health cost - I can add that to SFP
inner vector
but also like a "sucking" effect
like blackhole
Noita and blackhole
are like staples.
two peas in a pod
cyan phoenix
Physics are terrible in morrowind tho
But would love to see something like that
And sadly when applying Max's Lua Physics on the NPCs it gets even worse
But it was not made in mind of NPCs of course
inner vector
so many things
spell trails...
hmmm
maybe take fog or vent smoke and change the color...
or damage field
like an aura around the projectile that deals damage to enemies that touch it
still want to make a sort of trap payload too
cyan phoenix
still want to make a sort of trap payload too
I was thinking of sucking the system from Tribunal traps
inner vector
like Fireball Trap Fire Damage 100pt touch for 5sec
leaves a little glowing orb on the ground
if actor walks into its hitbox (larger that the orb ofc) it explodes
cyan phoenix
inner vector
which means a gravity modifier would be good too
cyan phoenix
Check here, he has open perms
inner vector
- and -
cyan phoenix
a lot of stuff that could be inherited onto OpenMW
This one especially, ready to use VFX for traps
I found this gem profile like 2 days ago
inner vector
Bah
I still wanted to play around with making a Tribes ski mod
I need a clone
and 48 hours in a day
BAH
so many things to do
cyan phoenix
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/49684
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/49708
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/49709
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/49739
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/49667
cyan phoenix
RAYS
They don't look as expected though
We need a solid 'line' of spell
Something that wasn't done before yet I think
Although shotgun mode looks nice
inner vector
I wonder how difficult
cyan phoenix
Funnily enough, these mods were also made for modathon lol
cyan phoenix
Yeah I was thinking like Lighting Shield from Shaman in World of Warcraft-type spell
inner vector
cyan phoenix
Orbit is halfway done in Kinetic Spells mod and also Haggle Light mod
since the objects are already hung up at some position
it's just a matter to add a constant recalculation of the position
to move around
When Kinetic Spell is in phase1 and you collide with actor it disappears
so its also a matter of only triggering a damaging spell event on that occasion
inner vector
already have homing as a modifier
maybe I can repurpose it
Then every steering tick:
desired_angle += orbit_speed * dt
orbit_point = player_pos + circle(radius, desired_angle) + height
direction = orbit_point - projectile_pos
redirectSpell(projectile_id, direction)```It should work no problem 😄
sage eagle
https://www.nexusmods.com/profile/Axemagister/mods
I was wondering if spf could be used to basically mimic some of his mods, I was especially wondering about having on target enchantments on weapons behave like spell slingers
That was about the one thing I was disappointed with when I realized what couldn't be done in OpenMW
cyan phoenix
I was wondering if spf could be used to basically mimic some of his mods, I was ...
I will do it eventually, planning to do it with Staff first
cyan phoenix
I was wondering if spf could be used to basically mimic some of his mods, I was ...
And yeah, most if not all of his mods are doable now with SFP, even without it but it would be lots harder
sage eagle
That will be epic, I remember starting to play this game a few months ago and being so mad when I enchanted a sword with target and it didn't do anything
cyan phoenix
That will be epic, I remember starting to play this game a few months ago and be...
Stay tuned 🙂
sage eagle
@inner vector is there any way to make a spell that bursts into more like in your video but then those become homing projectiles? I'm having so much trouble and I had a dragon ball type idea for a spell
I LOVE THAT THIS MOD JUST WORKS PERFECTLY WITH THE INCANTATION MOD
inner vector
<@225430815637504001> is there any way to make a spell that bursts into more lik...
homing is super heavy and I tried to be cautious with it
ill see about expanding it more
inner vector
so the issue is that
each projectile has basically a lua brain
for homing
each projectile is queried with a state request
constantly
to steer it
I'm just going balls to the walls so to speak and trying to unlock straight to 128 projectiles with homing but I assume its going to murder performance like I've probably never seen in a mod before
cyan phoenix
I wonder how it will actually handle, maybe it won’t be bad at all 😄
inner vector
13 per tick
so 128 per 10 ticks
~0.16s
in a sort of round robin way
so no projectile gets starved
our current homing is already steering per 0.15s
so its basically perfect
cyan phoenix
Oh you got it finetuned nicely, cool
cyan phoenix
Yeah exactly
civic marten
Its pretty sweet. I've some animations cooking, hopefully will be looking cool soon 🤞
cyan phoenix
how goes the magic books?
Today I need to fix the bugs that were reported with OSSC 😄
inner vector
<@225430815637504001> is there any way to make a spell that bursts into more lik...
it kinda lags if they all hit at once
cyan phoenix
This looks so great though
inner vector
I made the homing delay a lil longer
maybe 0.85 is too long
hmm
0.65?
0.70 doesnt feel bad
cyan phoenix
Nice and nice lounge beats
inner vector
<@225430815637504001> is there any way to make a spell that bursts into more lik...
please test
lag seems to calm down
after 1 cast
sage eagle
I got you after work
sage eagle
Shit looks like a dragon ball move
worldly edge
I can bet whatever got hit by that is most definitely dead
inner vector
maybe the downside to spellforge should be
"Your own spells can hurt you"
just like Noita.
magic moat
Maybe as the default setting, flavour Spellforge spells as inherently unstable - could even check if the player has Incantation, and give Spellforge spells a % chance to not harm the player equal to the Incantation level, as it's all about spellcrafting :^)
That way, there's a balancing act between the "on-the-fly" spellcrafting granted by Spellforge, and the "stable" spellcrafting of Spellcrafters
cyan phoenix
Make sure to update spell framework plus guys, critical patch went in today for the spells casted through it
save-breaking bug so it's as important as it never been yet
inner vector
👍
sage eagle
@inner vector Homing is working smooth
sage eagle
how are you making this spell in the video, I am so bad at this spell system
magic moat
how are you making this spell in the video, I am so bad at this spell system
Emitter
Timer
Multicast
Burst
Emitter
Timer
Multicast
Burst
Homing
Emitter
sage eagle
THANK YOU
i did not realize you could do timer intothings other than detonate lmao
ok, now my spell is even better
just killed a bull netch accidentally in one cast lmao
inner vector
i did not realize you could do timer intothings other than detonate lmao
Timer is the same as trigger except if it doesn’t hit anything within the timer it explodes
so you can do air bursts and whatnot
if it hits something it triggers like normal
spells work from
top
to bottom
so you want to describe what efffects a spell has
before you cast the spell
hence
`multicast
burst
homing
fireball
multicast the spell
in a burst pattern
with homing on them
use fireball for it`
inner vector
worldly edge
lol
worldly edge
I think half of Hla Old reported that crime
fair minnow
i've never played noita so i'm going into this blind
cyan phoenix
@inner vector
#1492962758445109429 message
This update can affect Spellforge performance negatively
cyan phoenix
But it had to be done
Definitely needs inspected how much of perf drop it gives
Since it will spawn a lot more visuals now
inner vector
don't they typically get merged in openmw?
the elemental types?
it makes a new projectile with both effects
cyan phoenix
Nope, I was casting vanilla casts back to back to mimic it's behavior
lethal crane
Playing around with the mod and it looks like it does't want to make spells with modded spell effects, despite correctly listing them in the known effects list
Is this like a caching thing where the list of valid effects get copied before other scripts add their new effects or something?
inner vector
Ill take a look at custom spells
I thought it work natively but I guess not
spellforge doesnt actually make real morrowind spells
it makes (as far as the engine knows) an empty spell with nothing in it except mana cost, schools of magic, target/touch/self, difficulty. There is no actual “fireball” spell on the record, its more like “spellforge_fireball” (not the actual data but it gets the point across)
the spell is actually a container of data for Spellforge
so my guess is spellforge just doesn’t know how to launch custom spells effects but it can create them in a spell
lethal crane
the logs for the error in question are just
[19:15:58.291 I] Global[scripts/spellforge/global/init.lua]: [spellforge][global.compiler][ERROR] SPELLFORGE_RUNTIME_ERROR handleCompileEvent failed request_id=ui-compile-1779491758-12 err=EffectParams require a valid magic effect id
[19:15:58.293 I] L@0x1[scripts/spellforge/player/init.lua]: [spellforge][player.init][ERROR] SPELLFORGE_RUNTIME_ERROR compile failed request=ui-compile-1779491758-12 error=EffectParams require a valid magic effect id
[19:15:58.295 I] L@0x1[scripts/spellforge/player/init.lua]: [spellforge][player.spellcrafting_ui][WARN] SPELLFORGE_SPELLCRAFT_UI_COMPILE_FAILED saved_id=saved:9 reason=EffectParams require a valid magic effect id
im at work so ill check it out tonight
lethal crane
no worries, it's probably just some weirdness with the way custom effects have to be created by mods with the current api
what's most odd is that the preview actually works fine, it's just hitting create that bugs out
computes the correct cost of the effect and everything
lethal crane
it makes (as far as the engine knows) an empty spell with nothing in it except m...
This is probably why there's also weirdness with spellcast checks, where spells will say they failed to cast but then cast successfully anyways.
on self cast effects this sort of failed success only applies the Spellforge Dispatch <id> effect and not the vanilla effect, but the dispatch effect still applies the normal effects of the thing it's templated off of or something. A successful cast applies both effects and appears to work as expected
Only really tested with a levitate spell so far so if it's doubling the effect or something that would be very hard to tell
magic moat
It works with some custom spells - I got it working with the TR summons, bound gear, as well as Nifty Spells Projection and Greater Projection
inner vector
It works with *some* custom spells - I got it working with the TR summons, bound...
so it does sort of work with custom spells
weird
lethal crane
Tried with TR's summon dremora caster, same error
Maybe a load order thing or something then?
As an aside, white you can multicast vanilla summons, the TR summons aren't recognized as multicastable
spellforge is definitely after unofficial TR spells, so load order is probably not at fault
magic moat
I'll need to check my load order, because it works when I multicast TR summons
inner vector
lethal crane
When filtering by school custom effects all fall under uncategorized, which probably isn't helping things
inner vector
on self cast effects this sort of failed success only applies the `Spellforge Di...
this is a side effect of faking the hover over display
since our spells aren't actually spells
the hover over normally shows nothing
but like the engine I guess still sees these placeholder stand ins
and 'casts' a buff icon
I wonder if I can just cheat and quickly dispel the effect, it shouldn't affect the actual spell
the custom spell issue
It SHOULD affect TyrusDalet
perhaps old data is preserving functionality
I think the machine spirit mis-interpreted my request a while back
I asked for help normalizing spell records in our UI so people wouldn't see like Fire_damage, but instead Fire Damage
I think maybe its actually changing spell ID before creating the spell
so now TR_Summon isn't the right ID anymore
all our vanilla effects work fine because it knows what each normalized ID does
but doesn't know what a custom ID is because it never recorded it
lethal crane
Yeah for that one I was more wondering about whether spell success chances and magnitudes are affected by this, since there's three apparent outcomes
- The spell fails as normal, no effects applied
- The spell fails and only the spellforge effect is applied, the spell's effect works despite the failure popup
- The spell succeeds and both the spellforge and vanilla effect is applied (possibly doubling it unless the vanilla effect somehow does nothing, haven't tested)
inner vector
Yeah for that one I was more wondering about whether spell success chances and m...
the dispatch ID shouldn't cast on failure thats for sure
it doesn't double it
I have the same issue with summons
but it never summons extras
lethal crane
I imagine it shouldn't yeah
inner vector
I remember trying to fix the issue with summons but getting rid of it directly meant breaking our pretty spell hoverover
its purely a side effect of our spell hover over
lethal crane
I think maybe its actually changing spell ID before creating the spell
it definitely forces the id to lower case in the UI, so that could actually be it
inner vector
I hijacked the vanilla system instead of building a UI element that shows up only for our spells
a lot of the mod is focused on "using in-engine functions" as much as possible
so tricking the engine into thinking we are casting a spell (but it has no effect) means I didnt need to remake spell casting from scratch or mess with the spell book at all
tricking the engine into thinking our spells have hover over icons mean we dont need a clunky UI replacement
but everything has a cost it seems
vanilla spell casting 'empty' spells gives us the defaultVFX issue
tricking the engine with fake hover over means strange duplicate buff icons that do nothing
ah the normalization is also to prevent the vanilla engine from casting the spell as well
so I just need to make a system to reference the real spell on load so when we normalize it in a spellforge spell, it shouldnt have any issue.
cyan phoenix
and 'casts' a buff icon
This is just an "extra" effect added in the LOAD script, it is possible to not show it
it all comes down to what you specify in the load file
as far as I've noticed
cyan phoenix
it's also useful for custom effects to give dummy icons to actually represent duration/activation
since custom effects are purely lua, engine doesn't understand what's happening. It can only give a visual effect status feedback
inner vector
its casting a fake buff because our spell has a fake icon with duration and such
cyan phoenix
Yeah, but it's possible to eliminate this fake buff is what I'm saying, if it's of any importance
inner vector
our frontend spell uses display proxies with real duration/magnitude so vanilla hover text looks correct. To fully prevent shell buffs, we likely need to make frontend spells use a truly inert zero-duration marker instead. That would cause us to lose the nice vanilla spell tooltip unless we find an OpenMW-safe way to keep tooltip data without creating active effects.
the cheat fix is basically the same frame the spell icon is made we remove it
cyan phoenix
Yes I understand that, what I mean is that what is on the tooltip doesn't actually have to be 1:1 applied effects from the tooltip
lethal crane
the noop effects in the actual spell also have the added bonus of showing what spell they're actually from instead of from some uuid ahh spell name
cyan phoenix
You can have tooltip info without some of the effects applied if needed
but that's just my observations from the Kinetic spell mod since it uses unique casting in 2 phases
Had some difficulties around it to be truly honest
lethal crane
unless you can change the name of the dispatched spell in the UI, if that's an option then it's probably best to just hide the effect
cyan phoenix
You can have tooltip info without some of the effects applied if needed
This means you actually make 2 spells for the load script, and when casting it will actually launch the 2nd spell, not the one from tooltip
cyan phoenix
This means you actually make 2 spells for the load script, and when casting it w...
When you specify that explicitly with the script of course
inner vector
SFP isn't casting it
OpenMW is
thats why two show up
its basically the same problem as our spell projectile issue. The engine sees icon, sees duration, sees school type, makes a buff show up.
buff does nothing
fields.hasDuration = source and source.hasDuration
fields.hasArea = source and source.hasArea```so you are saying we can still have all that, but make the engine not show it when we cast it?
cyan phoenix
Lemme check that real quick
inner vector
I feel like it must be on my end
because otherwise, all the custom spell mods would have this issue
right?
inner vector
yeah the way the engine handles non castable spells
isn't to do nothing
it just... pretends
on target spell with no data inside it?
cast defaultVFX
it also loves to use anything it can to figure out what to cast
cyan phoenix
Must be a way to counter that somehow
or providing a dummy defaultVFX
NC and no mesh
cyan phoenix
Well then, seems complete to me 😄
inner vector
thats what invisible nif is for
and the omwaddon
is the spell bolt weapon record
using the invisibile nif
cyan phoenix
Yeah
inner vector
and the silence.wav supresses the sound it makes
because ofc it makes sound too
i guess its better than the game crashing
no spell effect -> cant cast -> break engine
cyan phoenix
The workarounds are just sweet haha
inner vector
for being pretty reliant on AI for coding, I'm actually quite clever at thinking of unique fixes
its not the best at fixing engine level issues
without being like
"patch OpenMW"
bruh no.
i'm not gonna do that
even the current issue, it insists we can't fix it without breaking our UI hoverover and I'm like "what if we just remove the spell icon the moment it activates?"
lethal crane
honestly surprised AI handles the openmw apis well enough to make things work
with how obtuse the docs are
not that it really cares about difficulty finding things in there since it can just ingest the whole lot in one go I guess
inner vector
you can tell how well it does depending on how experienced the user is at using AI for coding and understanding what the API can do simply by looking at my early mods compared to now (hint, they were pretty rough. not awful, but pretty buggy and need/needed a lot of work)
if you just go in with a "build me an army mod worthy of mordor Dagoth Ur" its gonna probably make a pile of shit
I make it refer to openMW documentation for basically everything, I also have over time learned about the API myself as well so I understand more of what it can and can't do
I also quite often use the stones AI to destroy audit/craft the stones prompts
cyan phoenix
even the current issue, it insists we can't fix it without breaking our UI hover...
This will be done correctly if you make it 1.01s after invoking spellcast
so you don't poll onFrame to save performance
just a delayed cleanup
since spellcast takes 1.00
cyan phoenix
honestly surprised AI handles the openmw apis well enough to make things work
Mate, it does now, October last year until december it was pretty shite
😄
it seems to learn quickly though
cyan phoenix
I make it refer to openMW documentation for basically everything, I also have ov...
This
inner vector
I mean I made GRIP before Codex existed
cyan phoenix
By reading and troubleshooting over and over you just get it eventually
inner vector
purely in GPT chat sessions
cyan phoenix
Yeah
inner vector
it was a lot harder to work with
since I had to feed it files
and it would lose context on old files so quickly
it was awful
cyan phoenix
I do it nowadays mostly 😄 since already antigravity free usage banned, copilot also depleted, cursor free tier too
inner vector
cyan phoenix
But I got my working methods as of now how to do it quite efficiently
cyan phoenix
no wonder I got my antigrav banned since I was juggling like 10 accts
but it was fun until it lasted
inner vector
100 big ones to Sam every month 
just too many ideas to deal with free limits
was so annoying to hit limits after one prompt
inner vector
ooo
cyan phoenix
recommend this site, you get free access to all models
with limits, but for example when using claude, you can use 4.6 and then when depleted 4.5 and then 4.6 without search and 4.5 without search
treated as separate models
inner vector
claude depletes so damn fast its wild
I even tried a paid sub for claude and literally first prompt into a openMW mod github link and it hit 5hr limit
inner vector
I dont think I've ever hit a limit with either the plus or pro sub for openai
cyan phoenix
with claude
it really does the job for me, even shit models tend to perform well after claude tailors nice plan
I got my ways 😄
inner vector
claude is fantastic for UI work and creative stuff
anyway which spells arent working?
I have a fix I wanna test
TR spells?
the hyacinth ones?
@lethal crane
lethal crane
think so yeah
lethal crane
iirc that's the ones in expanded-vanilla currently
cyan phoenix
@inner vector this might be a solution for the dummy effects to not spawn anything, seems to load none of the engine things with this (nothing casts, no sound or vfx loaded from the engine - the cast animation starts normally of course like a normal spell Ossc starts the animation but no effects and vanilla casting is unable to start in such case, might help though anyway)
local function createEmptySpell()
local id = 'empty_spell'
if core.magic.spells.records[id] then return id end
local draft = core.magic.spells.createRecordDraft({
id = id,
name = 'Empty',
type = core.magic.SPELL_TYPE.Spell,
cost = 0,
effects = {},
})
local record = world.createRecord(draft)
return record.id
end
magic moat
claude depletes so damn fast its wild
Tell me about it! I use Claude for helping with debugging (It's SO good at parsing error messages, especially since I've fed it the lua API and my git repos) and most issues that are slightly larger than single line errors can take 10+ hours to fix because of rate limits. I also use Claude to help with UI things, because it's fantastic at that - I've always struggling with UI coding, I just can't visualise it.
I use Codex to help me realise more complex ideas into reality, like figuring out how to achieve some of my more radical passive effects.
But perk construction, more simple perk effects (TG, MT, IC, TT, FG) I've managed to achieve all by myself, and I get better at it every day.
Ideally I wouldn't need to use AI at all, but using it as a tool to assist me, learning from it, and improving myself feels ok. I still scour the documentation myself, learn how it all works, and often go back and correct or improve shoddy work that the AI did
civic marten
They should have called Aldritch
inner vector
<@225430815637504001> this might be a solution for the dummy effects to not spaw...
but what if you put spell effect placeholders into it so it doesn't show 'nothing'?
that empty spell and this spell are literally the same in the eyes of OpenMW when it comes to actual spell effects, except the icon placeholders (type/duration/magnitude). The engine sees "this is a self spell, it lasts 60 seconds and has no magnitude. I will put the self spell icon (summon ghost) in the players UI for 60 seconds"
it doesn't actually cast any of the placeholder spells in the hoverover information, but it still creates an icon for the self spell
the easy fix is basically "don't make a tooltip" but then the user doesn't know what the spell does. The hard fix is "make your own tooltip/UI system yourself". My cheat fix is "don't actually fix it, just hide it before the user sees it"
the real fix is unknown but likely engine sided. Idk if it can be fixed, it certainly feels like something put in place to prevent crashing
all my issues seem to basically be "the engine is defaulting" in clever ways
OpenMW looks at the spell, sees its a target spell but it has no effect it can understand, tries to cast a placeholder spell projectile that does nothing. It also sees a self spell, but no effect it can understand, casts a placeholder spell buff that does nothing and lasts 60s.
viola
cheat fix
bug? no no... I dont see any bug
inner vector
Playing around with the mod and it looks like it does't want to make spells with...
Please feel free to test the fixed version 
lethal crane
looks like it works
inner vector
looks like it works
no issues with any other custom spells or spells in general that you've noticed?
lethal crane
Nothing really game breaking, just some issues with the spellmaking interface, like how it doesn't filter available effects based on whether they're marked available for custom spells so there's a lot of effects that are normally disabled in momw packs like fotrify skill and restore magicka.
inner vector
Nothing really game breaking, just some issues with the spellmaking interface, l...
what do you mean?
some spells aren't supposed to be spellcrafted still show up?
I thought I had a gate for that...
lethal crane
restore magicka is there, and it definitely isn't spellcraftable normally
as a sidenote, the way that the search input loses focus after each letter you type is pretty annoying, but I don't know if that's compatible with live updates on search
inner vector
search is broken too?
lethal crane
the filter
inner vector
ah I didnt know
lethal crane
not broken per se
it just loses focus so you have to click on it to type each next letter
inner vector
inner vector
it just loses focus so you have to click on it to type each next letter
wha-POW
PUH POW
inner vector
it just loses focus so you have to click on it to type each next letter
please try this version 
lethal crane
menu works, I assume fixing the restricted effect issue wasn't part of this patch
inner vector
are they still showing up?
lemme see... I thought I fixed that
oh whoops
still under todo
only figured out what was causing it
my bad 
also isn't fortify skill something that works in vanilla spellcrafting??
I could have sworn you can go to mournehold and get the spell early and make whatever skill you want to be buffed
cyan phoenix
but what if you put spell effect placeholders into it so it doesn't show 'nothin...
Make it the same like the code snippet, just change Empty to your spell id, so no school spell specified, just add icon and proper name. Do not assign anything else on the effect, might help
lethal crane
also isn't fortify skill something that works in vanilla spellcrafting??
it is, but momw modpacks disable it so in my case it's a good test case for actually checking records instead of that filter being hard coded
inner vector
Make it the same like the code snippet, just change Empty to your spell id, so n...
you dont like my cheat fix? 
cyan phoenix
No no, don’t get me wrong 😄 just giving the solution ideas
inner vector
😜
if I dont put anything else into the field (magnitude, damage, time) then it lacks information. it would just say (Summon Bonewalker) and not (Summon Bonewalker for 60s) or (Fire Damage) instead of (Fire Damage for 1-10dmg over 5 seconds in 10ft)
inner vector
menu works, I assume fixing the restricted effect issue wasn't part of this patc...
How do you even have it?
This effect is not available in any standard spell that can be bought, it is available in potions and scrolls.
I can't even figure out how to give it to my player
to test it
it shows up only as ability flag
the TR ones are like racials they dont go in my spellbook
I guess you can give it a whirl
I have no idea if it worked or not though
lethal crane
it's also from a mod, https://modding-openmw.com/mods/zef-focus-magicka/
lethal crane
I have no idea if it worked or not though
It worked, yeah
inner vector
ditto
I'm going to add a window around the search bar
since its kind of invisible
tada
Updated to v1.2
- Fixed UI responsiveness when changing spell parameters and using search
- Updates to Spell sorting/search window (fixed focus lost while searching, border added around search box)
- Fixed custom spell detection and compiling, properly refuses 'spellmaking=false' spells
- Fixed duplicating buff icons
cyan phoenix
if I dont put anything else into the field (magnitude, damage, time) then it lac...
Oh no I've meant the Noita added effects, not the base game spell effects
so you don't get the defaulted vfx
lethal crane
Another intresting bug: Spellforge spells (or at least spells with triggered effects) are not properly attributed to the player for the purposes of assault bounties
so while homing projectiles will absolutely home in on friendlies and aggro them, this doesn't incur an assault or murder bounty.
there's something inconsistent about this, so it might only be some types of hit that behave like that or something, but it definitely fails to attribute sometimes
ok nevermind that one's my bad
it's actually an issue with how bounties and aggro work with creature actors and such
inner vector
lethal crane
it's important to test whether beating someone over the head with a stick behaves the same way I suppose
inner vector
inner vector
Adding in a UI scaling preset to settings
investigating spells losing functionality randomly (but being restored on quicksave/load)
inner vector
inner vector
UI scaling options and spell recipe stability added
inner vector
attempt 2 at fixing random spell recipes failing till save->reload
neither bug reporter provided any logs, or any way to reproduce it so I'm firing kinda blind here
worldly edge
modding is all fun and games until you learn how a colored line is actually drawn in openmw
inner vector
looks like some spells were somehow being flagged as ‘touch’ while firing as ‘target’ so spellforge was basically waiting for a touch spell from that refID forever, breaking that spell.
fixed in 1.3
addressing weakness to element spells showing as “points” instead of “Magnitude in %” and then I’ll push v1.3 to live
inner vector
Oh
its an openMW issue
(Warning: distilled by the machine spirit 👻 )
The spell hover path does this:
- Reads the hovered spell record.
- Copies each effect’s
mEffectID,magnitude,duration,range, etc. into tooltip params. - Lets the generic spell-effect widget format the text.
Source: tooltips.cpp
Then the formatter asks the magic effect record for getMagnitudeDisplayType(). If that returns MDT_Percentage, it appends spercent; otherwise for normal magnitudes it appends spoint/spoints.
Source: widget.cpp
The critical bit is here: getMagnitudeDisplayType() is hardcoded by the built-in magic effect index. Weakness effects are percentage because their vanilla effect indexes are in the percentage ranges. Unknown/custom effect IDs fall through to MDT_Points.
Source: loadmgef.cpp
Now you may ask "Slowchu... why don't you just use actual weakness to spell effects in the tooltip?"
And the answer is: Because the vanilla cast path will actually cast it on top of the SFP cast
worldly edge
o_O
inner vector
This also means that ANY custom spell in 0.51 will not be able to present as % based
it will always display as Pts unless its some custom type of spell that already returns as % (like if you made a custom 'weakness to' spell)
worldly edge
you're talking about like that?
inner vector
Vanilla
Spellforge
We use 'empty' custom spells for our hover-over (custom spells with no effects, but the proper school/icon/etc automatically parsed)
if I use an actual weakness to ID for the hoverover
the vanilla cast path will cast it
so it doubles up
and there is no way to 'choose' between MDT_Percentage and MDT_Points
its hardcoded
worldly edge
you're using a custom tooltip right?
inner vector
the engine sees a custom spell, it defaults to MDT_Points