OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v2.5 / 16/06/2026

[faint geyser]

literally only magic sound replacer that i found that actually sounds good

and not ripped out of unfitting settings/games

a genuinely good sounding sfx, not anime, not too "realistic", good crisp stuff

more people should know about it

[sick iris]

Haha yeah I'd be very interested to learn how it's done, I have been doing some early tests by trying make a 2d animated butterfly, because the butterfly mod tanks fps and it's so unnecessary

[faint geyser]

Heres a billboard nif vfx which i was poking at to try animated blood splatters

it will not show anything for you i guess since you dont have those textures, but you should be able to see how they are asigned in nif tree and try yours

[sick iris]

Cool thanks, I'll have a poke around. I think I might actually have that texture somewhere... 🧐

[sick iris]

@wraith delta i cleaned up the keyframes from the unused limbs, hopefully that does it with max's base pose. also have added two new anims:
qcdrain just an experiment that looked pretty good, i called it drain because it looked like that kind of motion.
the second one is new qcalt a nice graceful swipe of the wrist

i have also included a click sound for qcsnap, it should play at qcsnap: release (or whenever you have the spell firing)
apologies my inventory is crashing again so i cant showcase properly.

it was working yesterday... 🤷

did some messing with the graph too so it all should be abit smoother now

[faint geyser]

just for the record - unused bone keyframe cleanup was not necessaaryl, this can be filtered on lua side

and i hope you did not cleanup those back bones, otherwise everything might now be misalined af

does look smoother though, nice!

[sick iris]

ty!

yeah i didnt touch the torso, just the leg and arm pose, i didnt actually do anything with the bones unless i still don't understand, but yes i just wanted to clean it up a bit while i was in there so i tried not to break anything

[sick iris]

btw max, is there a way to avoid the warnings
[15:25:11.583 W] Warning: addAnimSource: can't find bone 'bip01 r finger4' in meshes/xbase_animkna.nif (referenced by animations/xbase_anim/xquickcast.kf)

i know they are harmless but it bugs me, and tends to make people uneasy when a mod spams their logs

[faint geyser]

and this is on animation that was exported for 3rd person rig?

[sick iris]

yeah

[faint geyser]

shouldnt really be happening, strange, theres a way prob to just remove those from kf files with a script @harsh zinc shared it before but i dont have those now, i might look into why its not filtering them out properly later

[sick iris]

i tried removing them maanually from the kf but that just ruined the hand motions

[faint geyser]

Huh, that shouldnt happen since those bones are unused

[wraith delta]

I will have time today some time later and will definitely work on it, eternal thanks ^^

[wraith delta]

Is there any way you can also bring back the old qcalt as another anim key please? ❤️ I liked it and also seen comments on youtube propsing that one 😄 Cause I've edited that key text in nifskope and it doesnt work for some reason, I don't know

[sick iris]

oh yeah sure! haha i just thought it looked a bit weird so i thought i should change it, i can add it on, no harm in having more variation anyway

[wraith delta]

It looks great actually imo 😄

[sick iris]

lmao awesome

[wraith delta]

I can't seem to get it working, it doesn't change anything

[faint geyser]

the yaml file or even anims are not playing?

[wraith delta]

https://youtu.be/IWg2WFwilAI

It looks like this with and without yaml/anim files

I've tried yaml file like this

blending_rules:
  - from: "*"
    to: "*"
    duration: 5
    easing: "cubicInOut"

[faint geyser]

huh

why can i even see your weapon in right hand, are you playing with a super small viemodel fov?

[wraith delta]

83 fov in the game settings

[faint geyser]

that yaml should affect a transition of a right hand, since its not even visible ofcourse its unclear if it does anything

[faint geyser]

viewmodel is a different thing, its not in settings, but that means you didnt alter it

[wraith delta]

I'm using this if this changes anything https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/56625

[faint geyser]

something is wrong, when you are standing still the sword is gone, why?

did you override something?

oh yea ofcourse, it probably messees everything up

[wraith delta]

It always been like this for me I thought its normal 😄

[faint geyser]

bruv ahah

ofcourse its not

its looks junk af

[wraith delta]

I'll check without it, would be cool to have this compatibility since this one is a great mod

[sick iris]

i love that mod but its tough how jank it can be

[faint geyser]

im not sure how it works but afaik it uses 3rd person anims in 1st person or something, its an absolute mega mess of a mix of 3rd person and 1st person anims in there probably

[wraith delta]

Changes camera position as far as I remember

[faint geyser]

theres practically no hope for it unless someone will just go and fix all anims to work specifically with it

[sick iris]

its playing the third person animations like a tuxedo hanging off the camera sort of it seems like

[faint geyser]

very unlikely, it renders full body as 1st person viewmodel, its not just taking 3rd person model without head and changing cam pos

or something

in vanilla body is not rendered at all in 1st person

[sick iris]

you get full roll and bob from the animations

[faint geyser]

tbh i dont even know how they achieved that

[sick iris]

walking as a beast is an experience

[faint geyser]

ha

[wraith delta]

It uses for sure 3rd person anim

[sick iris]

yeah ikr its quite an achievement

and it qworks surprisingly well for a lot of stuff

[wraith delta]

Oh well it literally says that in the desc: Animation mods that only change first person animations (like the excellent ReAnimation) are incompatible.

Although I cannot imagine playing without it lol

[sick iris]

a lot of reAnimation actually does work for it, not the idles but the attacks do, and Alt-Attcks works for it too

[faint geyser]

try and apply that anim i gave you to full body then and not only uppoer body, since its 3rd person anim - spine is mostlikely has rotations that dont match what you expect in 1st person, maybe if you force full body that will help

[wraith delta]

Yeah I just got used to not seeing the weapon for about 50% of the time, but now it faces a hard incompat when quick casting

[faint geyser]

otherwise I cant help it , not a type of jank i want to fight, there are too many issues with it, its kind of all or nothing mod imo. But ofcourse it should be possible to make separate set of anims for that mod and for vanilla, but eh

[wraith delta]

I'll try the full body, although it's the quickcast animation or ?

since you said to apply that

[wraith delta]

Not expecting anyone to do any extra work

[faint geyser]

this is your main layer for quick cast, your main pose, then you apply actual left hand quickcast on top of it

when i said fullbody - i mean fullbody for that main pose

[wraith delta]

Not entirely sure

[faint geyser]

if we had proper lua bone access probably it would've been possible to solve this programatically and somehow smartly mix in first person and 3rd person anims

[wraith delta]

        -- [PLAY ANIMATION]
        I.AnimationController.playBlendedAnimation(animGroup, {
            priority = anim.PRIORITY.Scripted + 100,
            startkey = 'start',
            stopkey  = 'stop',
            speed    = finalSpeed,
            blendMask = 15
        })

this is my code calling for any cast anim

[faint geyser]

actually im not even sure why wouldnt applying 1st person anims on top of that mod will not work, maybe its just a matter of forcing it in lua with an upper body group or something

although prob not, since then your attempt would've also worked

[faint geyser]

scripted + 100 most likely does nothing different from scripted, why do you want it to be so high in priority

there are many other priority levels that might be more fitting

do you want character to still run quickcast anim when they are knockeddown?

[wraith delta]

No this is disabled

[faint geyser]

but otherwise i mean looks ok

what is disabled?

[wraith delta]

I've disabled any casting anims when knockdown and stagger are active

[faint geyser]

you are tracking those and then disabling your casting anims?

you can simply put them into priority below knockdown and stagger and you dont need to track those manually then

[faint geyser]

so show me which anims you are applying and how

[wraith delta]

https://youtu.be/KSJmzLMuM6w

Blend mask 15 did the trick

so we got that sorted out ^^

I wonder how we can make the weapon visible with ReAnim, could it be a matter of blendmask set to a different than needed value?

since here you can see if the animation is forced in, the weapon is visible without any problem

Any ideas Max, where I could do the edits? Or some code to enforce the blend mask 15 played on re-anim weapon files?

[faint geyser]

but that doesnt look like animation i sent you

are you playing 1h pose on a torso and quickcast on a left hand=

[faint geyser]

reanim animations are not enforced through lua, except alt swing, they are just normal anims that engine hooks up

mmm maybe you can try catching all animation start weapononehand group events, or whatever group responsible for idles

when you catch it - you are allowed to change anim options before anim actually starts

so you can change whatever

i think it be a good idea to look at the docs

[faint geyser]

i just noticed that you are using numbers as a blend mask

gimme a sec

using numbers is not readable and might break in the future

this

and this

means that you can write there I.animation.BLEND_MASK.All instead of a number

so do BLEND_MASK.All on the 1h pose (not on the quickcast!!!!!!!!1111) and do BLEND_MASK.LeftArm on a quickcast anim

both at the same time

and dont forget to run 1h pose in a loop while quickcast is playing, otherwise you wont even see it cos its only 2 frames

[wraith delta]

This is whole code block that is doing the animations

so I should also add another playBlended with the 1hpose ?

in the same go

[faint geyser]

haha, yes ofcourse, that what i've been saying

you suppose to play 2 anims in parallel

[sick iris]

animation is a mysteious beast

[wraith delta]

I'll check it out soon, what's the animation text key and group for that?

[sick iris]

this one? quiccastpose1h

oops didnt mean to ping

[faint geyser]

im not sure if that addVfx additional offset is already merged or not, but when it will be it be quite easy to add shield-stuck arrows 🙂

[wraith delta]

        -- [PLAY POSE]
        I.AnimationController.playBlendedAnimation('quickcastpose1h', {
            priority = anim.PRIORITY.Scripted - 1,
            startkey = 'start',
            stopkey  = 'stop',
            loop     = true,
            speed    = finalSpeed,
            blendMask = anim.BLEND_MASK.All
        })

        -- [PLAY ANIMATION]
        I.AnimationController.playBlendedAnimation(animGroup, {
            priority = anim.PRIORITY.Scripted,
            startkey = 'start',
            stopkey  = 'stop',
            speed    = finalSpeed,
            blendMask = anim.BLEND_MASK.LeftArm
        })

did this and it's back to the skewed position (also did the UpperBody and the same result)

[faint geyser]

Do you see the sword though while you are playing it?

Preview is on the right, thats how it should look

If it doesn - something is wrong

[wraith delta]

No, the character goes sideways

[faint geyser]

Can you try without that body awareness mod? Maybe its a good idea to ensure it first works on a "normal" setup

[wraith delta]

Sure, will do in a free moment soon

[wraith delta]

v1.7 is live on Nexusmods:

-made aiming better (20x20 game units aiming tolerance for touch spells)
-temporary fix for Full Body Awareness + ReAnimation animation while quick casting
-added new animation thanks to DubiousNPC (temporarily quick cast alteration animation is gone)

I had to release a quickfix but I'll tackle this animation issue any time soon

[faint geyser]

Also try that left hand quickcasting anim on dif weapons without applyin 1h pose (and without 1st person awareness), maybe its already good enogh (i.e not too misaligned) on most weapons and fixed poses are not necessary

[wraith delta]

Will do that for sure, need to see which one is working and which not quite

OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v1.7 / 21/04/2026

[swift orbit]

I have noticed with the recent update that the spell effect launches before the animation plays with target spells

[sick iris]

hmm your animations appear to be playing slowly, maybe even at half speed🤔 is it only on the target cast?

[swift orbit]

It appears to only be with target

I'm not using any body repalcers and the only animation mods I have related to first person is Reanimation

[sick iris]

oh you have animation speed controls in your settings, could you try changing that? otherwise it might be a Skrow issue 😅

a recent update needed to reset those speed settings

[swift orbit]

My friend

I'm sorry

I reset those and it works beautifully

Thank you

[sick iris]

no worries! i'm glad that was all it was, enjoy :D

[swift orbit]

Thank you again for everything

[wraith delta]

Uhh I left that comment to reset these settings 😄 arghh but I'm glad it's all working!

[wraith delta]

Make sure to update to 1.61 Spell Framework, I've just uploaded that - fixes two errrors with single target spells

[wraith delta]

@sick iris user on nexus reported that error when casting mark spell:
https://i.imgur.com/luhgnzC.jpeg

It has to do with the sound gen change you made maybe?

[rustic blaze]

He’ll want to update pure multi mark

[sick iris]

Oh totally my bad yep, that was meant to be a placeholder until I figured the proper SoundGen

[rustic blaze]

If he’s using ownlyme’s multimark at least, there was an update for 0.51

[sick iris]

I'll look into this evening

[rustic blaze]

Same error haha my b

[sick iris]

The SoundGen error?

[rustic blaze]

Yeah pretty sure, there was an error with multi mark related to that but I fixed it just last night

Not related to this mod at all haha

[sick iris]

Ye haha all good

[swift orbit]

Thank you my friend

[sick iris]

Do you know how key custom sounds?

[wraith delta]

I don't know how it works. I guess you must add the sound as omwaddon to the CS, and the soundgen grabs the recordid for the sound file. Since it seems like that in the vanilla anims https://operatorjack.github.io/mw-modding-notes/animation/animation-text-keys.html

[wraith delta]

@faint geyser got the idle anim working together without FBA and other animation stuff:
https://youtu.be/ziT80w5Tr0s

The bow animation definitely is not good for casting, and some of the other spellcast animations have the hand almost outside the screen (half of the casting hand is out of the view - can record the video if needed) Ideas? Also I need to modify some of the launch places with the reanimation alone since they don't align with the default launch position of spellcast animations we had until now (with FullBodyAwareness it's not a problem though so it's interesting)
Other than that, the idles look really good while casting, also while running which is a nice bonus

[faint geyser]

well as i mentioned like 5 times probably already

main idea is to use a main upper body/full body pose to ensure that back bones are properly rotated

and play left hand anim on top of that

cos left hand misalignment depends completely on how backbones are rotated

[wraith delta]

        -- [PLAY POSE]
        I.AnimationController.playBlendedAnimation('quickcastpose1h', {
            priority = anim.PRIORITY.Scripted,
            startkey = 'start',
            stopkey  = 'stop',
            loop     = true,
            speed    = finalSpeed,
            blendMask = 15,
        })

        -- [PLAY ANIMATION]
        I.AnimationController.playBlendedAnimation(animGroup, {
            priority = anim.PRIORITY.Scripted,
            startkey = 'start',
            stopkey  = 'stop',
            speed    = finalSpeed,
            blendMask = 4,
        })

The number work for now, let's not mention it but the thing is it looks like this

[faint geyser]

the pose animation does not work

[wraith delta]

Why 🙁

[faint geyser]

if you look at the preview and at your video it should look different

i dunno tbh

try and log all animation events, groupnames and keys

[wraith delta]

But it doesn't go "torch position" now so it's a progress

[faint geyser]

and see if its actually played or not

[faint geyser]

thats not a torch position but yes

[wraith delta]

I know, it's holding sword anim

But someone mentioned here that as a catchy name ^^

[faint geyser]

if you removed body awareness then this is what improved idles, not the introduction of that quickcastpose1h

oh actually i have an idea

[wraith delta]

Yeah I did that, I want to make that compatible

[faint geyser]

maybe it cos i have start and end textkeys at the same keyframe probably

[wraith delta]

as much as I can

[faint geyser]

gimme a sec, ill make an update

try this, now its 5 frames long

[wraith delta]

On it

[faint geyser]

and also make sure that you dont have some absurd transition length in your .yaml

[wraith delta]

In which directory these files have to be btw?

xbase_anim.1st?

[faint geyser]

yep

[wraith delta]

Still cannot get the anim to work...
https://youtu.be/kcLhhUFnM3M

blending_rules:
  - from: "*"
    to: "*"
    duration: 3
    easing: "springOutMed"

and when nothing is readied (weapon/spell) the position of cast is off the screen (more or less depending on the animation set), I've identified the case I mentioned earlier

[faint geyser]

try running just that 1hpose anim maybe on some button press or something without anything else just to check if you can run it in any way shape or form

also maybe im not giving you the right file? I think kf should work, but heres another file just in case

gimme a sec ill test it on my own setup, just playing that pose anim

well you are not using corrent animation options

loop = true doesnt even exist

if you are using AI - you need to have a serious talk with it

if doing it yourself - probably double check the docs

anim.playBlended(omwself, 'quickcastpose1h', {
startKey = 'start',
stopKey = 'stop',
forceLoop = true,
loops = 999,
priority = anim.PRIORITY.Scripted
})

this plays just fine

also i just realised that you ideally want transition time in yaml be the same or lower than a time it takes to prepare a cast, i.e before your spell release keyframe

this that blending will also affect back bone positions and if its too long back bones will not be yet in a right spot for your cast to align

ymmw

but try something like 0.5 transition in yaml, will prob be ok

[spark steeple]

I.AnimationController.playBlendedAnimation is preferrable, but if we are to trust the docs both are a bit scuffed.

Loop true shouldn't break anything on its own - options is just a table, and nothing is validating it for non-existant values downstream

But, ofc - it needs "forceLoop" if you want animation to actually play, but also then needs autoDisable=false, probably

[swift salmon]

Testing on 1.7

1. Aiming seams to be fixed, so far I've caught no problems there.
2. In the third person, when I cast anything, pc locks in a stiff standing position with casting animation played - even when I "walk" it just slides in a casting pose with no legs movement. Beast race legs also go funky. I guess that the thing you are discussing with blending...
3. Soul trap effect (swirl) doesn't disappear from killed targets and just circle over the corpse. Tested with vanilla casting - everything works fine.

[wraith delta]

Fix for 3) will be rolled out soon, big thanks for the report

1. Good to hear that, it was a problem for some time now

2. Yeah, the anims are still WIP pretty much as you can see

[swift salmon]

you people are doing an amazing work! Wealth beyond measure for your clans! )

[faint geyser]

then it will disable after 999 loops i guess, naw it most likely needs to be nuked manually, yea loop = true doesnt break anything but its not a valid option, I didnt say that it breaks stuff

Yes though should use I.AnimationController instead for sure

[spark steeple]

Docs are weird about that last one

ultimately saying - "both are scuffed deal with it"

[faint geyser]

whats scuffed about it?

[spark steeple]

https://openmw.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/lua-scripting/openmw_animation.html##(animation).playBlended

No idea, seems to work fine, that's what the docs say

[faint geyser]

huh

and playQueued will not suffer from this? Yea i dunno sounds bizarre

i maybe know what they mean with like if you attempt to mess with vanilla anims like canceling attack anims or walking anims - some weird stuff might be happening and engine might be restarting things

or if you run anim with exactly same priority and bone groups as one engine is trying to run - then it will be canceled... but thats expected thats how you epect group-priority system to work kinda

so im not sure, this explanation lacks detail and looks scarier than it probably is

[spark steeple]

As I said - docs are a bit weird

[faint geyser]

yea they for sure are

[spark steeple]

I've, luckily, found this piece after implementing all my animations and just thought "huh, seem to work fine"

[sudden pond]

Is it intentional for OSSC to have slower spell casting than the vanilla casting?

Like the time from hitting the OSSC cast key takes a bit longer than when hitting the vanilla cast key

[wraith delta]

Is it though? When I've checked it, it should be 1.00s vanilla and OSSC

You might have the problem with stale storage from previous versions when the anim speed setting were different

[sudden pond]

I had 1.6 installed before, maybe I do have stale storage because it did keep my keybinding in the script settings from removing and installing 1.7

[wraith delta]

Try moving out temporarily player.storage file from OpenMW documents directory

Like 20 minutes ago another user had this problem on Nexus and we've solved it that way

Inconvenient but it is how it is

[sudden pond]

What is the file path for that? Also I did notice that third person OSSC casting makes my player stop moving to cast, this doesn't happen in 1st person, I'm not sure if that's something with another mod interacting with it

[wraith delta]

This has been reported here recently just a while ago, some animation problem for sure, to be investigated

[wraith delta]

C:\Users\username\Documents\My Games\OpenMW

[faint geyser]

well, tbh its often possible that thing just feel slower or faster due to different animation rhythm or something

(one can surely just time it with a phone or something to get a confirmation)

[sudden pond]

Yes timing it does show 1 second (well .06 or something, human margin of error) but for some reason vanilla casting is about 0.6 seconds, maybe another mod is speeding up vanilla casting but not OSSC?

[wraith delta]

I think it might be, I just tried with stopwatch on the phone and vanilla takes 1.00s

[faint geyser]

dont quote me but purely from memory id say vanilla should be 1s, not 0.6

[wraith delta]

Lemme know what mod it is so I can add that to Readme

[sudden pond]

I just tested with "ember" spell, and it has the same speed in vanilla and OSSC (1.0 seconds). For some reason greater fireball OSSC casts faster for me than vanilla greater fireball

[wraith delta]

Huh... that's totally weird to be honest

[sudden pond]

Yeah all the other spells have 1.0 second cast time for vanilla and OSSC so it's probably just the modlist I'm testing with (POTI 2.1.1), it seems that it's just the greater ???ball spells for me

[faint geyser]

greater balls

ha

(sorry)

[sick iris]

@wraith delta animation delivery :) some touch ups, and i attemted to add back the old qcalt animation, its keyed as qcskrow lol (easy to change any of the kf names with nifscope btw)
also got rid of the SounGen and found a really nice new sfx for the snap.
you need to add something like:

local params = {
timeOffset=0.1,
volume=0.3,
loop=false,
pitch=1.0
};
core.sound.playSoundFile3d("sound\ossc\qcsnap.mp3")
but i'm not sure exactly 😅 im just copying it from the docs

https://openmw.readthedocs.io/en/stable/reference/lua-scripting/openmw_core.html##(Sound)
for more info

[gleaming nest]

@wraith delta You've renamed your framework mod as you mentioned some days ago.
I downloaded the most recent version and would re-assign the data directory in the openmw launcher, turn off the OpenMW_Magicka_Expanded_Framework.omwscripts and enable the SPELL_FRAMEWORK_PLUS.omwscripts instead on an existing savegame now. There shouldn't be any problems with OSSC then, right? Just wanted to be sure.

[wraith delta]

Yeah should be no problem, it contains the same exact functions after all. There was too much Saltrice growing around the last naming y'know 😄

[gleaming nest]

Alright, should be fine then. And yeah, I read a bit of it. Glad it kinda could be settled, kinda 😅

[wraith delta]

Never can satisfy everyone in life, that's normal. But the whole magic topic around OpenMW is really unexplainably heated in my opinion. People should be happy about the developments, not fighting over them 😄

[gleaming nest]

Btw, for the most recent OSSC version on Nexus, this is the pose the player character goes into while casting in third person. Now not only is the right arm still in torch position, but the legs also raise themselves a bit and hovering above the ground. Casting while moving results in the legs freezing in that position.

Sorry, I hope you're not annoyed by me and my torch arm mentioning all the time 🙏

[wraith delta]

I wonder is it changes of blendmask or the animation files itself

[faint geyser]

you applied anim to the full body, so yes, ofcourse legs will be affected

but if current aproach works you can roll it back one step to only do upper body

[wraith delta]

I'll work on it tommorow, today was working on new spells

[wraith delta]

I’ll get hang on of the new anims file after the release of Kinetic Spells, hope you dont mind 😊

[sick iris]

Yeah no worries, when you're doing it have a look at the new update in Bor's Pet the Scribs, we managed to get good animation blending for the petting, might be helpful to see? 🤷

[wraith delta]

I’ll look there for sure 😊

[swift orbit]

Just a friendly report about the bone spam in the logs. Doesn't seem to affect performance. Thank you

[wraith delta]

I'll try to update soon with new animations recently supplied by Dubious, maybe the spam will be gone by then ^^

[swift orbit]

No rush my friend

[spark steeple]

That spam is unfortunately down to animation, and can't be fixed in lua, but also - a dark mystery why it even occurs, as me and dubious were using the same animation rig for a long time and mine never had a problem =(

[spark steeple]

Btw, Skrow, I finally got time to install and play around with it. Fells good to cast offhand when fighting, nice job!

[wraith delta]

Thanks! Need to fix the animation blending though and implement a toggle for spell cast chance reduction to have some extra balance to have an incentive to not forget the spell stance is existing

[spark steeple]

^ was going to suggest weaker spells in offhand stance

but defining weaker may take a while

[wraith delta]

Reducing cast chance is the easiest and fastest one, and also magnitude reduction in % could be implemented

[faint geyser]

Oh no pls dont reduce magnitude

Chance does make sense imo

[wraith delta]

Both will be optional toggles

[gleaming nest]

@wraith delta Btw, have you seen DetailDevil's recent showcase of "Thuum casting"?
#showcase message

[worldly storm]

detaildevil

teaser of a wip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV2QR5gcja8

Linked by @​semaro from #showcase · Apr 29, 2026, 6:51 PM

[faint geyser]

ha thats cool

[wraith delta]

DD at his finest 😄 Although I see it's still overwriting a vanilla spell, or is it only an animation to cast that particular spell?

[gleaming nest]

That's the question haha
Just wanted to make sure that you're aware of this. Might be interesting for both of you to check for each other's approches to alternate casting 😉

[wraith delta]

I am checking mods code most of the time so definitely will take a peek there when he releases it ^^

[stone mural]

The first prototype used an animation nif that overwrote the spell casting for that npc. The current voice animation can be triggered anytime via lua.

[wraith delta]

First prototype definitely would give some additional NPC Vanilla behavior 🙌

And I for one tried to introduce charge animation but either something is wrong in the anims or I’m doing something wrong

[stone mural]

but I have already implemened the other one 😄

btw, you can't modify the spell casting vfx effects, they are hardcoded

that's why I went with prototype 2

[wraith delta]

You can with my framework though, but I’ve yet to add NPC support

It’ll come eventually though 😄

Just want to iron out all possible bugs before moving further

[wraith delta]

Hyacinth and Ownlyme had made framework for custom spell usage for npcs

[sick iris]

@wraith delta i did a thing! i think i might have fixed the animation bugging out, at least its fine for me now and i also added in the sound of the finger snap :D

it needs this file though edited to be slightly longer

[wraith delta]

Ooh thank U ❤️ will definitely look into today or tomorrow, this weekend got a little busy to me ^^

Any chance to have modified charge animation? I cannot seem to get that working either with charge text key and also loop start and loop stop keys, it just doesn’t loop but maybe I did something wrong…

If you don`t mind

[sick iris]

Hm I will look into it, I think it's a limitation with kf so it might need rethinking on my end to get it right. I have some ideas

[wraith delta]

Maybe separate files for charging animation?😊

That could help with separate naming for groups

[sick iris]

Yeah exactly

[wraith delta]

@sick iris thanks for the code! It ultimately fixed problems with Reanimation and no weird posing anymore! Added also the snap sound. Working on other reported bugs now

[sick iris]

That's great news! I'm so glad it works haha. One minor issue is I noticed if you hammer the cast button the snap can play out of sync sometimes. I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to sync to a SoundGen key

[wraith delta]

Maybe inspecting vanilla animation file can bring some insight, to see how it's done in them

since that would be the best way to play associated sounds

so we won't need to use lua for playback

[sick iris]

Yeah it's just playing custom sounds is tricky with the vanilla keys. I'm not sure if it's possible without scripting but I will investigate further. I think ownlyme's footsteps mod uses SoundGen keys, maybe should ask him

[wraith delta]

Checking out footsteps mod codes might actually be the hit

[wraith delta]

OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v1.8 / 03/05/2026

Updated OSSC on Nexus to the newest version:
-fixed animation weird pose when casting and also the mod is now 100% compatible with Reanimation mod (animation blends correctly)
-added a balancing setting for cast chance penalty when using quick casting (25% and 50% reduction) - off by default
-spell projectile speed is now taken directly from GMST, not using hardcoded values anymore
-fixed casting with scrolls and also enchanted items when not having enough charges
-fixed casting with not enough magicka
-added snap sound for snap casting animation (qcsnap animation) - thanks Dubious!

[swift orbit]

Thank you for the update

[gleaming nest]

It seems that alteration and mysticism spells on self are still having some animation issue while moving. Used moded and vanilla spell effects for showcasing, that it's not about that.

[sick iris]

damn.. the thing thats really wierd is why it would only be on those ones. they should all be the same at least...

[gleaming nest]

IIrc in the previous versions, it was always those two schools who had some animation hiccups

[wraith delta]

I am dependent on Dubious on the animation files so let’s stay tuned 🙌

[wraith delta]

Hotfixed 1.81 version on Nexus, casting fixed because I didn't comment out the changes regarding charge casting

OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v1.81 / 04/05/2026

[gleaming nest]

After further testing I found out, that the lower body animation bug is also happening for non elemental destruction spells on touch… it’s getting weirder

[sick iris]

can you try removing the .nif files from the animation folder and see if it persists?

[gleaming nest]

No changes after removing both the quickcast.nif and xquickcast.nif from the folder.

[sick iris]

does it only happen for those spells on touch?

[gleaming nest]

From my current testing, yes but I would try to test a bit more later this day.

[sick iris]

al good, im going to try a few things anyway. thanks for testing

[swift salmon]

Report:
Also when I'm in a third person, spells don't launch

[20:17:54.399 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] Casting: flamebolt
[20:17:54.402 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] TextKey [quickcast] 'start'
[20:17:55.352 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] TextKey [quickcast] 'charge'
[20:17:55.419 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] No launch queued after 2s — aborting
[20:17:55.419 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] Cleanup: no-launch abort

(in first person it works)

[sick iris]

updated animations, @gleaming nest when you get a chance could you try with these animations for that bug?

@wraith delta i made an attempt to set up the loops properly for charge casting, i have other ideas to try if it still doesn't work.
also new kfs: qcray for ray/beam spells and qccharge is intended as a test for an alternative idea for charging, to play unique "charging" anim before leading into whichever casting anim

[swift salmon]

I've had the same bug with animations. New animations eliminated the bug, I've tested all three. (self alt, self myst, touch non element destruction)

[sick iris]

Thank you! That's awesome

[swift salmon]

Not only spells in third person don't work, but also all enchantments in any person.
this is attempt to cast a scroll

[20:36:54.992 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] Casting: sc_ulmjuicedasfeather_en
[20:36:54.994 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] TextKey [qcsnap] 'start'
[20:36:55.661 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] TextKey [qcsnap] 'charge'
[20:36:55.760 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] TextKey [qcsnap] 'loop start'
[20:36:55.811 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] TextKey [qcsnap] 'loop stop'
[20:36:55.993 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] No launch queued after 2s — aborting
[20:36:55.993 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] Cleanup: no-launch abort

[wraith delta]

Yeah for now revert to earlier version please

Some things got messed up unintentionally

[swift salmon]

my god, sorry for reporting, but for some reason even first person casting stopped working right after ha, ha))

[wraith delta]

I’ve fought whole day with this today while working a job and havent managed to fix it in 1 go

Will be fixed but cannot promise when

Its a pretty convoluted mod I cant lie

Thus making changes fucks up something else many times and it just takes time to test, fix, test, fix

We’ll have it done soon though I cannot wait to have this mod „straight”

[median merlin]

I just realized that I was playing with the old omw file enabled (when the mod had a different name in the beginning). Let's see how better it becomes now

[wraith delta]

and thank you for reporting, different setups have different problems apparently often

[wraith delta]

Omw file shouldnt change too much, its the script files that matter the most ^^

[swift salmon]

My guy, you are so cool and amazing doing all of this! Take any time you need. 🔥

[gleaming nest]

It works now

[wraith delta]

I’ll look into charge at a later date since this mod has been very exhausting for me

[wraith delta]

I meant about this message

[sick iris]

Yes I was going to say it's probably feature creep anyway, and might be simpler to just take the keys out for now

If you want to make it into a mod later or something we can discuss necessary animations 👍

[swift orbit]

Ahh okay so we should hold off on updating?

[wraith delta]

It's good idea to update to the new animation files #1490798707858210939 message

[worldly storm]

dubiousnpc

updated animations, @gleaming nest when you get a chance could you try with these animations for that bug?

@wraith delta i made an attempt to set up the loops properly for charge casting, i have other ideas to try if it still doesn't work.
also new kfs: qcray for ray/beam spells and qccharge is intended as a test for an alternative idea for charging, to play unique "charging" anim before leading into whichever casting anim

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Linked by @​skrow42 from #OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v1.81 / 04/05/2026 · May 4, 2026, 3:23 PM

[wraith delta]

It's not good idea to update the Ossc and SFP

not yet

[wraith delta]

I can add it to OSSC for compatibility but after we deal with the bugs first, wanted to do too much at once

[sick iris]

yeah understandable, its been a big push this last month to get all this magic out

[swift orbit]

Okay thank you

[wraith delta]

Allright got everything sorted out except persisting effects on actors like shield or soultrap(visuals stay despite effect timing out). Tommorow a new fixed version should be live

[wraith delta]

v1.83 is live on Nexus!

As of v1.83 all of the problems (except Skill Uses Scaled) are fixed - at least on my setup.
Both 1st and 3rd person animations should be now working without a problem, thanks to DubiousNPC for finetuning and fixing them.
All of the effects of enchanted item spells and multi cast type spells are now applied properly as well.
Aiming at point blank range now doesn't make the spells flying sideways.
Mana, enchant costs and scrolls are properly consumed upon use

That being said,

PLEASE DO A FRESH INSTALL OF BOTH OSSC AND SPELL FRAMEWORK PLUS
It is very important, leftover animation files might
and
will break your mod if you just overwrite the install.

If anything happens after doing everything correctly, please don't hesitate to report bugs. I hope you'll have a great time playing with OSSC.

OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v1.83 / 05/05/2026

I just hope it's going to be working perfectly now

[wraith delta]

Something is wrong with qcconj animation - it stops (breaks) launching the spell. Works with any other animgroup

I'm changing it to quickbuff animgroup with hotfix but just letting you know something's up there

[sick iris]

Ahh yeah I left an extra frame in ffs no worries I'll sort it out. I'm glad there are so many fallback animations haha

[wraith delta]

Other than that the mod seems working lovely. I'm planning to add settings for players to choose the animations for each cast type

But that's not priority

[sick iris]

Very cool

Yeah it's great to see it come together

[wraith delta]

It's mostly done now, I don't see any more bugs. But Nexus always proves wrong on that matter 😄

[sick iris]

Is there logspam from switching 1st to 3rd? There will be people asking about it, all of my recent anims inherited the curse so I'm going to have to work through redoing almost all the 3rdP stuff to fix it

[wraith delta]

Yes there is, yellow ones

[sick iris]

Its totally harmless just annoying

Can you send your log? Mine is still crazy with other errors from .51 update

I just want a list of the affected bones

[wraith delta]

Yep one second

[sick iris]

Its because MW can't handle all the extra fingers

[wraith delta]

Thanks for the things you're doing

[sick iris]

Likewise

[gleaming nest]

Huge respect to both of you guys for making it possible and feeling immersive 🙏

[wraith delta]

Credits also to @faint geyser as he also supplied the first animation that begun this mod 😄

[faint geyser]

Did you figure out hot to properly use this combo of 2 anims - one for weapon pose and another for quickcasting - to avoid misalignments?

Or did you just ditch it and whatever is misaligned - its good enogh?

[wraith delta]

I've used Dubious code and it seems to work nicely

In my opinion it's fully compatible with reanimation now

The blending was wrongly set

[sick iris]

yeah it i managed to get it to blend the rest of the body and just sript the required limbs

im not sure if it using the casting pose or not but it seems work

[swift orbit]

I'm assuming we should have this load after reanimation or does it not matter my friend

[wraith delta]

I have it after Reanimation myself, but no idea if the load order here matters in this case

[spark steeple]

It will only if you hook into re-animation API, or if you are overriding some of the same animations - otherwise it should be fine

[wraith delta]

It seems working fine so far, no-one reporting anything so that's a good sign

[spark steeple]

yup

[swift orbit]

Thank you

[wraith delta]

@sick iris we have a problem 😄

[sick iris]

noo the beasts.. so much trouble with the beasts, you have the log?

[wraith delta]

The logs don't say anything but it's the same situation as conjuration spells before

[19:01:45.209 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]:    [OSSC] Casting: shield
[19:01:46.165 I] Global[scripts/omw_magexp/magexp_global.lua]:    [MagExp] Applying 1 Self effect(s) on caster only for shield
[19:01:46.165 I] Global[scripts/omw_magexp/magexp_global.lua]:    MagExp: Applying shield to player by player
[19:01:46.165 I] Global[scripts/omw_magexp/magexp_global.lua]:    MagExp: Checking effect shield
[19:01:46.165 I] Global[scripts/omw_magexp/magexp_global.lua]:    [MagExp] Applying shield to player
[19:01:46.165 I] Global[scripts/omw_magexp/magexp_global.lua]:    [MagExp] Successfully added shield (1 effect(s))
[19:01:49.345 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]:    [OSSC] Casting: shield
[19:01:50.303 I] Global[scripts/omw_magexp/magexp_global.lua]:    [MagExp] Applying 1 Self effect(s) on caster only for shield
[19:01:50.304 I] Global[scripts/omw_magexp/magexp_global.lua]:    MagExp: Applying shield to player by player
[19:01:50.304 I] Global[scripts/omw_magexp/magexp_global.lua]:    MagExp: Checking effect shield
[19:01:50.304 I] Global[scripts/omw_magexp/magexp_global.lua]:    [MagExp] Applying shield to player
[19:01:50.304 I] Global[scripts/omw_magexp/magexp_global.lua]:    [MagExp] Successfully added shield (1 effect(s))

[sick iris]

ok, let me see what i can do

[wraith delta]

Take your time ^^

[sick iris]

try these, it should fix it 🤞

[wraith delta]

Where to paste this? In the main Animation folder or?

And thank you for the work 🙌

[sick iris]

Yes replace the same files in the main animation folder. I forgot the _female version but it's just a copy and rename of xquickcast.kf to xquickcast_female.kf

If that doesn't do it I will need to take a bit more time at a fix 👍

[wraith delta]

I'll check it out in a bit, thank you !

[swift orbit]

So Max's physics are optional now? I must have missed that

Did you need logs of the missing fingers still?

[sick iris]

no i got it thank you my friend

[swift salmon]

in the archive there is a xquickcast..kf - with two dots. Should I keep the two dots or it is a typo?

[sick iris]

Definitely not intentional 😅, I'm surprised it works at all with that file misnamed 🤔 what folder was it in?

[sick iris]

Definitely not intentional 😅, I'm surprised it works at all with that file misnamed 🤔 what folder was it in?

[swift salmon]

I actually didn't figure it out what folders to put them in 😄

Should I just dump them here ?

or distribute through subfolders?

[sick iris]

ohh right those, haha i though you were updating from the nexus. yes they need to replace the files in the subfolders and the double dot is a typo. keep a backup of your files just in case

oh and this too. i was told its not necessary but no harm

cant find the mod on nexus now..🤔 is my internet crapping out or was it taken down?

[swift salmon]

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58653?tab=description

it's on, probably something's on your end

[sick iris]

crapping internet it is, weird part was all other pages were loading fine but when i tried searching for that specifically it would freeze

[swift salmon]

just 1.83hotfix (the lastest):
beasts - spells don't launch in third person, but animations are otherwise okey
mer - spells do launch in third person, but anim blending is not working with mysticism and alteration self (I haven't tested through all effects)

1.83hotfix + with your new files override - visually all animations are perfect, but no spell is launched in either 1st or 3rd person, neither beast nor mer

(maybe this is the reason why dwemer disappeared, they've just had enough with morrowind modding, hehe)

I've noticed that in previous version of Framework (1.7) there were animations inside, but in the new 1.8 framework there is no animation folder. Did you restructured the framework and the OSSC, or there is something missing

[sick iris]

ohh actually yeah i think skrow took out the animations in order to focus on the rest of it, they were mainly for testing purposes

[sick iris]

thanks for detailed test report. i don't know why spells arent firing, that's troubling..

hopefully something simple script side.

hmm

might be best to roll back for now until skrow can have a look at it. i'll see if i missed something on my end

[wraith delta]

Yeah anims should be in OSSC only, there was a mess last week with the updates 😭

Thats why Ive asked for making a fresh install

I just wonder why its working on my end the newest ossc and sfp….

Getting crazy here over it

[swift salmon]

Yeah, I've tested 1.83hotfix + your new anims + override of ossc_player from 1.81 as Kammanmega and Skrow suggested
and it works more or less well on both mer and beasts, both 1st and 3rd

the only hiccup I've cought so far is spells sometimes don't release after an animation played and it "sometimes" seems to correspond with this:

[23:26:43.947 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] Passed initial block checks.
[23:26:43.947 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] Casting: sg_startdestrember
[23:26:43.951 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] TextKey [quickcast] 'start' held=true charging=false
[23:26:44.614 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] Safety Reset: timed out.

[sick iris]

ok yeah its the charging, that whole system is getting shelved

strange that its an issue though, especially inconsistantly

oh does it fail if you hold the button down?

[swift salmon]

I've cought the bug consistently!
so, If I click the cast button during the animation of casting, the next spell is not released. Then, after the empty cast, the next cast is released.

[swift salmon]

I've always installed it fresh

[sick iris]

i think that makes sense, seems the script is still listening for those keys. so you'll have to wait till skrow can do that, im not proficient enough to know what i could remove.

@wraith delta the keys for charging are gone from these newest .kf files, i assume script is listening for them and misfiring. i took them out to see if it would fix the animation glitch so its just start release stop
you said you were shelving the charging mechanic right?

[wraith delta]

It seems still one function leftover is there, will look into it tommorow morning when I have free time🙌

Today I cannot sadly

[sick iris]

all good brother

[swift salmon]

double checked with zero mods, only lua physics, framework 1.8 and ossc 1.83hotfox + latest anims from Dubiousnpc. All's fresh.
both beasts and mer - anims are good, but no spell release in neither 1st nor 3rd prsn

[00:06:45.354 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] Casting: water walking
[00:06:45.356 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] TextKey [qcsnap] 'start'
[00:06:46.364 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] No launch queued after 2s — aborting
[00:06:46.364 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] Cleanup: no-launch abort

[wraith delta]

I will look into it tommorow, thanks for extensive feedback

I will be able to pinpoint the reason

[swift salmon]

thank you for all the work you do!)

[wraith delta]

I've found the reason for it, the 3rd person anim fallback kept launching for some of the anim groups (which broke the casting ultimately)

Working on adding the anim selector in the settings for customisation of user experience and for us to easily test new additions for animations if they work or not

This will fix the problem 99.99% as I've pinpointed where it fails

purely a code/3rd person problem

And the reason why it worked for earlier versions is because I was changing the anim groups for each school and that's why it was like that, now it makes much sense

I will also add a snap sound volume setting for those who want to make it quieter or totally off ^^

kinda eureka moment this morning ^^

[sick iris]

Nice ah it's good to get that figured out, that was the maddening thing that only some anims were failing so it's good to know

[wraith delta]

Creating an argonian test char now, the 1st and 3rd person is working perfectly on the normal bodies

The new changing settings for animations are godsend, identified so fast everything

[sick iris]

Yeah that's brilliant tbf. Good to have the options of animation too, give people the choices. and leaves the door open for doing cool shit down the line. Like a blaster anim for starwind

[wraith delta]

Thats a list of 32 setting renderers btw ;D

[wraith delta]

SFP can make blasters, it has interface to send out cast request with animation and vfx

[sick iris]

Oh yeah, of course SFP will be the key. Yeah no more bloat for ossc

[wraith delta]

Tested now the same spell with argonian - works fine. This might be the update we all needed

(this is with the newest anim files)

[sick iris]

The finish line is in sight

[wraith delta]

Okay, this is massive, I hope any/some of you can playtest it a bit before I publish on Nexus and make mess again 😄 Moved the version to 2.0 because of all these implementations and seemingly bugfixed casting/animation problems

OSSC 2.0
-fixed casting being blocked too long when spamming the cast button, now it properly listens to the end of casting animation
-fixed qcsnap sound to not being able to be played while spamming the cast button
-you can now configure the snap sound volume of the qcsnap animation (0.00-1.00 volume)
-being in state of knockouts/knockdowns won't let you quickcast anymore
-beasts animation are fixed in the newest animation files, thanks Dubious!
-enchanted items spells and scrolls now will properly play it's designated animation instead of fallback
-added missing gamepad support for L2/LeftTrigger and R2/RightTrigger buttons to enable casting for them, you can enable them separately in the settings as they are treated differently than normal buttons by the OpenMW engine
-3rd person VFX is added back as it got lost somewhere in the sauce
-now added settings in the game so that you can choose any animation for any cast type for any camera mode (36 animation toggles), this also helps troubleshooting in the future

I've checked it more or less, I did what I could, it seems to be working perfectly

OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v2.0 / 08/05/2026

@sick iris I've paired the snap sound to the anim key :>

[wraith delta]

If anyone played with it a while, please confirm everything is allright 😄

[swift salmon]

@sick iris qcalts is not blended with walking

[sick iris]

Oh yeah good catch, there was a bad frame left in

[swift orbit]

Sorry I just saw this update

I'll begin testing

[sick iris]

the fix i tried didnt work .. idk whats wrong with it. it made sense that one had the issue and the fix should have worked but it didnt make a difference 🫠 if you want to try you can replace animation folder with this, maybe i have some loose files hanging around messing with it. im tired though

[wraith delta]

Hey I can just remove it from being selectable for until any other time 😌

Or forever, it’s okay, we have plenty animations 🙌

[sick iris]

yeah i was gonna say if that doesn't do it just cut it loose because idk whats wrong with it lol

[wraith delta]

Yeah it's the same, I will remove it temporarily from the settings ^^

[sick iris]

🤷

[wraith delta]

No worries Brother, all good, we are eternally grateful for your additions to OSSC🙌🙌

[empty kelp]

Testing the mod, just starting up the game and playing around I already notice the improvement

Last version spells wouldn't fire at all, not even take Magicka, now they actually are firing and working again

I'm off work today, so I'll be playing the game and I'll make sure to pay attention to it and let you know how it's behaving

[empty kelp]

Yeah, it's working fine

[wraith delta]

Thank you, I've uploaded it on the Nexus as well, thanks for checking out!

[empty kelp]

Perfectly I should say

No issues I found

[wraith delta]

Yeah there were too much reports and we had to make it solid 😄

[swift orbit]

Thank you for the update

The new animations are fantastic

Definitely the best so far

Haven't noticed any issues yet

[wraith delta]

Now I’ll be super careful when adding stuff further 😅

[gleaming nest]

It's so nice to being able to select your preferred animation for each school! I love the snap one especially, but switching it to the one for drain on touch, gives you the authentic feel of the blink ablity from Dishonored (ReAnimation mod on top)

[wraith delta]

That looks so awesome, Dishonored was a great game also

Yeah the choosing I think is the gamechanger to fit into playstyle

I am thinking we can even try going for having a set of animations for each of cast type and then randomly assign one upon casting

so you have like 2-3 touch animations playing randomly, 2-3 target etc

[gleaming nest]

Similar approach to the random pointing animations from Follower Commands?

[wraith delta]

Oh there is something like that? Nice

Didn't know

But after 2nd thought, when you change the spell schools, the animation is mostlly different

so it could be a little overkill

[gleaming nest]

Yeach maybe... Just a quick reminder to yourself haha 😉

@wraith delta Btw, here's a minor issue in terms of vfx imersion, that is present since several previous versions of the mod (haven't made a recording earlier though), so nothing new to the most recent one.

It seems that destruction on target and mysticism on self spawn additional casting vfx. Here I showed the differnce when using the spells with the vanilla casting stance and via OSSC for comparison. When you disable in the settings vfx being showed on the caster's body (like in these videos here), only the usually intended particles are disabled, but not those additional ones (the fire swirl and purple rain)

[wraith delta]

Oh, thanks for report, will take a look at it soon :>

[empty kelp]

off topic, what's the armor/clothes/cloak you have on?

[gleaming nest]

The cape, is from a reachmen shirt of the Skyrim section of Tamriel Data, but I removed the cuirass part and put a recolored boiled netch leather cuirass as a base there instead.

In general the wole set is a mix of edited meshes and textures from the vanilla game, Tamriel Data and several bits of details from armor sets of other creators like Mage Robes by Melchior Dahrk and Daggerlad by Ashstaar.

Here's a version caped version for the TR netch leather rogue cuirass I made for tae._bd. Though these are only the resources without an .esp, so the armor is not placed in the world yet.

[frank apex]

lol seems like it’s time to release it as a mod this has to be like the 8th time I seen this asked 😭😭

[spark steeple]

More, I think. But I think Semaro would have to redo it from ground up, as it's put together from other mods assets rn

[gleaming nest]

Probably, but for the TD and Melchior Dahrk part, couldn’t I just put them into the mod as requirements? The latter is the OAAB author and I think is similarly open to use assets from if being credited.
I’ll ask both of them regardless and hope I can get in contact with Ashtaar, though I only really use the one edited pauldron plate and some color inspiration for the scarf.

I think it’s time for me to take it as a serious request for an actual upload-able mod now after this many requests 😅

~~Or I need to put on a different outfit when making showcases in the future ~~

[spark steeple]

Yeah, I mean if it's set as a requirement and you're not reuploading anyone's assets - you should be fine :D Or get permission from them, which for something like this shouldn't be too hard probably

[gleaming nest]

Yeah, I really have to check for this.
But this also gives me the opportunity to make the models a bit cleaner as far as I can in nifskope.
Was nice to do that for Blurpanndra's und Dubious's Glider mod as a challenge when I submitted my Dwemer glider model.

[earnest nexus]

This is wonderful, a must have mod for a spellsword build! However, there are some weird things I've encountered. First, are those Lua warnings (pic related) something to worry about? Second, it seems that Scrolls of Ondusi's Unhinging doesn't oddly work with OSSC. Tested with some other Touch-type scrolls and they work as it should. And third, when using a restoration spell (Mother's Kiss) there appears also the enemy health bar, which doesn't belong to any enemy! Doesn't happen with regular spellcasting. Other than that, this mod will be a mainstay in my load order, thank you!

[spark steeple]

Warnings are harmless

[wraith delta]

Hi, thanks for report, I'll check what's up with the scroll lol. For the health bar I didn't know since I play with UI replacers so they don't display to me, most probably I must remove attacker=player from self spells

[wraith delta]

v2.1 is live on Nexus (please update Spell Framework Plus as well)
-fixed support for AutoCalc spells (fixed Ralts Nifty Spell Pack spells not consuming mana)
-fixed the spells that have alwaysSuccessful spell cast flag to be respected by the mod (no more failing casts)
-optional reduced cast chance won't influence on casting alwaysSuccessful spells

OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v2.1 / 16/05/2026

[wraith delta]

This got fixed in the Spell Framework Plus today

[wraith delta]

I'll work on these tommorow

[gleaming nest]

Thank you 🙏

[modest owl]

peak modded openMW

[wraith delta]

Noice 😄

[wraith delta]

Hey, can we pinpoint the issue with the Open scroll? I've just tested it on my setup and it unlocks the door just fine with Ondusi Unhinging scroll and locked doors.

Anything to reproduce? Video? Logs maybe?

[wraith delta]

Testing now all spells gamewide and it turns out a lot of them only give the tooltip but no effect... more, so, the shield spell when expiring reduces armor permanently... EMERGENCY bugfixing in progress

I just wonder how come it's like 3 weeks from release and noone even noticed that 😮

[frank apex]

Bugs fly when your having fun

[wraith delta]

Please update to version 1.84 of Spell Framework Plus as fast as possible
Version 1.84 is live on Nexus and Git
-hotfixed save-bricking effects of some of the spells, including spells not being applied
-spells that don't have always-succeed flag but have 100% chance at the moment of cast will also surecast
I AM EXTREMELY SORRY FOR LAST CHANGES IF SOMEONE GOT HIS SAVE SCREWED. I am very embarrassed.

[earnest nexus]

I just updated both OSSC and Spell Framework, and now those Open scrolls work perfectly!

[modest owl]

does this fix the issue with saves being broken when a spell effect mod is uninstalled or is that still a recurring issue?

[wraith delta]

No its not this, Last patch had bug with some of the spells which permanently changed stats ..

But thats removed, and it was on the lesser used spells. But still, terrible

[gleaming nest]

@wraith delta Could this "fix" actually be an option in the settings of Spell Framework Plus? (I didn't updated to 1.86 yet btw)
I actually liked, that Oblivion had just the casting, projectile and hit vfx of first spell (or the one with the highest cost) visible.
Vanilla Morrowind showing every vfx of a spell often feels too colorful an out of place.
Because of this I now try to exclusevly cast via OSSC and/or even made some empty texture replacers 😅

If it would be too much of a hassle, I competely understand if you won't implement that. Just an humble request 🙏

[wraith delta]

Well it was a bug so it had to be fixed, but I can implement it at some point in the near future

As an alternative you can use 1.85 for now 😄

Since it introduces nothing else than these visual changes

[gleaming nest]

Thanks for considering and good to know that I can still run the previous version

[delicate gyro]

Finally installed this mod to try it out, and I'm impressed. Seeing my character cast with one hand while still doing whatever he was doing feels so natural, I feel like the game has jumped forward a decade looking at it 😅 The animations are great, and it works well from what I've tested so far.

[spark steeple]

Skrow is doing Todd's work in bringing MW from 2002 to 2009 :P

[delicate gyro]

I did notice two anomalies, which may or may not be related to the mod. Mentioning it just in case :

1. Sometimes my engraved ring of healing won't work. The animation, SFX and VFX play, but no effect occur and ring doesn't lose charge.
   This doesn't seem consistent, so I can't reproduce, but I only saw it in 3rd person (playing a male dunmer, if that's of any importance).
   My FPS wasn't the best when it happened, so I have no idea if that could be related (I've been suffering from lags I'm trying to fix).
   I didn't have F10 on at the time, so idk if any warning was fired. I'll keep an eye out though.

2. There's an "enemy" health bar that appears when I heal myself using the engraved ring of healing, that mirrors my own health. I noticed it since installing this mod, though it seems strange. I did install IE recently though, so it could be from that mod and I just didn't notice before 🤷

[delicate gyro]

1. Just happened with an amulet of recall. The log only says (in white) :
   [22:48:46.008 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] Casting: recall_en
   Nothing at all after that.

[wraith delta]

Couldn't happen without Dubious ! (and Max)

[wraith delta]

I'll definitely look into it in upcoming days

Will try to repro and brainstorm whats happening

Try enabling spell framework plus debug too

it will give more information

[delicate gyro]

Well, I haven't figured out how to repro yet, and I'm the one who has experienced it ^^'

[delicate gyro]

will do !

[wraith delta]

and maybe then we will have easier time figuring it out

Could be a framework problem after all

[wraith delta]

Does it happen one time or all times?

with this particular item/spell

[delicate gyro]

no, it's only sometimes

like, I re-tried to recall after reporting, and it worked

[wraith delta]

Damn, sounds like pesky bug to find

[delicate gyro]

which is why I can't reproduce huhu

[wraith delta]

I'll do my best though

The good side of this bad side is that it doesn't consume charge upon failed attempt. Which now gives me idea it might apply the spell cast chance formula onto it 👀 which was already a bug going around on different casts

Have you reduced spellcast chance setting turned on ?

I might've forgot to exclude enchantments from it

[delicate gyro]

quick cast chance penalty is off

I've only noticed it on the engraved ring and amulet of recall so far, but there's not much other magic my character is using at the moment. Thief Ring and a few Fire Bites went well, but I just didn't use them as much so could be just chance.

[delicate gyro]

Happened again with engraved ring. I had the framework debug enabled. Only message I get is (in white) :
[23:44:44.785 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] Casting: heal_minor
Nothing after that.

I mentioned I suffer from (unrelated) lag spikes, and so far it seems to only occur in low FPS moments (but even then, inconsistently : I successfully re-cast it twice right after the first failure). If I notice some other pattern, I'll keep you posted.

...And another occurrence, this time with Thief Ring :
[23:53:38.029 I] L@0x1[scripts/ossc/ossc_player.lua]: [OSSC] Casting: thief_en
Then nothing.
As usual, animation plays out, all FX play out, but no effect is applied.

[wraith delta]

I'll thoroughly check what's happening with it, seems tied only to enchanted items spells so that's something

[delicate gyro]

I haven't cast any spells yet, aside from a couple Fire Bites, so I can't say anything about them (mostly because this is a new character, so he hasn't learned any spells yet ^^' )

I did try out some spells on a higher level character after install to see if it worked, and encountered no issues, but this specific one really needs an actual playthrough since it's inconsistent.

[wraith delta]

Thank you for the feedback 😊 yeah it takes time to iron out such mods 😊

[swift salmon]

I've noticed the same bug with regular spells, it's not correlated with enchantments only. Unfortunately I cannot reproduce it too, it seems very random. FPS stutter might have something to do with it, but this is neither consistent... I'll look out for it with debug mode and will try to report anything unusual

[wraith delta]

I need to make a play session finally to iron it out

[delicate gyro]

Have you seen it in 1st person view, too, or just 3rd? I've only seen it in 3rd so far, but I don't play in 1st often so could be chance.

[wraith delta]

That could be a leading point

[delicate gyro]

I remember seeing some bug specific to 3rd person view earlier in development of this mod ^^'
Although, keeping the FPS stutter theory, 3rd person view has always been slightly more FPS intensive than 1st person for me. Which is why it'd be interesting to see if this happens at all in 1st person view.

[delicate gyro]

I'm sorry to report what seems to be another bug.

I can cast while paralyzed, both 1st and 3rd person view.

Tested with :

• Ring of Fireball (enchant)
• Ring of Lightning Bolt (enchant)
• Engraved Ring of Healing (enchant)
• Fire Bite (spell)

When I cast, VFX and SFX play and the effect occurs, but animation doesn't : there is a very slight movement from my character, then stops immediately and remains frozen.
It only works once : I cannot use the same spell/enchant twice in a row, but alternating with a different one can go on to infinity.
I can NOT alternate between Ring of Lightning Bolt and Ring of Fireball, but I CAN alternate either of them with the Fire Bite spell, or Engraved Ring of Healing.

My animations for each magic school and spell type ar the default ones, I haven't changed those settings since installing the mod

[wraith delta]

That's a great report, I'll definitely take care of it this evening !

Thanks !

I think silence is also bugged, will look into it

[sick iris]

hey check it out, we got achievements 🎉

you got in there twice

as did hyacinth

[spark steeple]

Hey Skrow, did you figure out your healthbar thing? I'm faced with an opposite issue - I need the health bar to show up ( for the enemy) but it doesn't. Was wondering if I can do what you did but backwards :D

[delicate gyro]

I also have the "fake enemy health bar" appearing when using Engraved Ring of Healing, a mirror to my own health bar, only visible during the time of the healing effect.
But outside of that specific time, it's all working normally (if in combat, the real enemy's health bar reappears as soon as my healing is done, or as soon as I damage ennemy's HP, I haven't tested the exact conditions for which is displayed)

[wraith delta]

Didn’t delve in there yet, modathon is crazy to be honest

[wraith delta]

Oh so it’s only with self enchants?

[frank apex]

Was there ever a fix for casting for spellsword?

[delicate gyro]

This character doesn't use restoration so I hadn't encounter any other healing magic so far ^^'

[sick iris]

What was the issue? I'm looking forward to trying that mod

[frank apex]

Quick casting the imbue spell doesn’t give you the imbue effect in runtime, the imbue effect takes with vanilla casting on quick casting, so if I was to quick cast imbue fire it will still succeed but no spell effect, I would assume it’s spellsword not accounting for the changes in spellcasting

Or OSSC not detecting spell swords imbue effect as an actual spell

[sick iris]

Interesting. I think spell sword came out just before all the magical madness, right? I think it's piggybacking it's effect on a vanilla spell somehow so yeah one not accounting for the other.
Quick casting spellsword stuff was my plan for my character lol wanted to make a swordsinger build

[frank apex]

I may look into it on spellswords side

-Possibility on the next frame after quick casting imbue if the player doesn’t have the effect after quick cast it applies the imbue effect

[sick iris]

Or rebuild something similar with SF+ 🤔 it could be a new spell school now

Idk who made it, I think they were on discord

But could also do a spiritual successor

[frank apex]

Spell School Framework!!

Is there a way to do that currently, I’m sure? Having the skill framework and the stat window be the basis to hook into the vanilla spell schools?

[sick iris]

https://discord.com/channels/260439894298460160/1492962758445109429

Isn't that what this is?

[frank apex]

Oh like rebuild the spellsword with the spell framework in mind

[sick iris]

I don't really know how it works but I think the framework is there to make it easy to add new spells and that all works with OSSC so I'm just speculating that SS spells could be made in a more compatible way with the framework or a whole new swordsinger skill mod could also be made with inspiration from spellsword.
As far as I understand it can all be done without SF+ too but it makes it easier

[wraith delta]

It’s best to read and refer to readme of SF+

Its most readable on github

I can check the spellsword mod, maybe the spell is not detected when casting with ossc. But this not soon for sure

Got again shitload of bugs to fix

[median merlin]

it seems that my healing magic heals the enemy together with me when I cast it via quick cast

makes the game harder

[swift orbit]

Ohh which spell are you using

[median merlin]

velothian helmet

[wraith delta]

I'll be sure to check it, it seems that enchanted items need a second look in general

I really want to give you bugless gameplay with this mod (and of course all others lol)

[frank apex]

For those using the spellsword and imbuement skill mod :

#1492962758445109429 message

[worldly storm]

tae._bd

spellsword now works in essence with the spell framework and occs so now quick casting an imbue it will take effect like the original mod a work around is detecting when the quick cast of imbue successfull and applies the effect accordingly, im currently using a save the doesnt initialized the changes with a new game so please let me know if theres anything that looks crazy but i get a message for appying the vfx for imbue in the debug but i believe thats normal, im sure spell framework is going to be modlist must have but there are fallbacks for the mod to function all the same if anything messes up, Have fun will release in a day or do after more testing, and will update the imbuement skill for the accomodation for the changes to the spellsword mod soon

Attachment(s)

Spellsword-v2.2-OSSC-compatible.zip

Linked by @​tae._bd from #SPELL FRAMEWORK PLUS v1.86 / 21/05/2026 · May 26, 2026, 4:02 PM

[frank apex]

Vfx still don’t apply when changing from pov

[delicate gyro]

Just noticed a couple (harmless, but confusing) details with version 2.2 :
The file itself is named 2.1
the readme says 2.0

[wraith delta]

Will take care of that, thanks, it's definitely 2.2

[wraith delta]

https://openmw.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/lua-scripting/interface_combat.html
Combat.onHit(attackInfo) use this with 0 damage, call it on any time you want to call up the healthbar of the wanted target

0 damage, 0 magicka, 0 fatigue

it will trigger aggro though

since it needs the attacker parameter as player for the engine to understand to show the bar as the enemy is targetting player

[spark steeple]

Curious

:sendEvent("Hit") doesn't

which should be the same thing

Thank you tho

[wraith delta]

    local info = {
        attacker     = data.attacker,
        target       = data.target,
        spellId      = data.spellId,
        hitPos       = data.hitPos,
        hitNormal    = data.hitNormal or util.vector3(0,0,1),
        successful   = true,
        sourceType   = (I.Combat and I.Combat.AttackSourceType) and I.Combat.AttackSourceType.Magic or (core.magic.ATTACK_SOURCE_TYPE and core.magic.ATTACK_SOURCE_TYPE.Magic or 2),
        spellType    = data.spellType or core.magic.RANGE.Target,
        isAoE        = data.isAoE or false,
        area         = data.area or 0,
        damage       = getSpellDamageInfo(data.spellId),
        projectile   = data.projectile,
        velocity     = data.velocity or util.vector3(0,0,0),
        impactSpeed  = data.impactSpeed or 0,
        maxSpeed     = data.maxSpeed or 0,
        unreflectable = data.unreflectable or false,
        casterLinked = data.casterLinked or false,
        userData     = data.userData
    }

this is complete table I use

[spark steeple]

Nah, I did the same thing except I send the hit event to target from source actor script

[wraith delta]

it needs to be cast directly through the combat interface

even if you do something else then it's the way to show the bar up

[spark steeple]

Combat interface happens in target script - doesn't it? That's mighty inconvenient

and the event should be the same :/

Eh, anyway - I'll figure it out, thank you

[wraith delta]

The player script can summon ui elements mostly

Worth a try to execute it in player script

[spark steeple]

nah, that will hit the player

[wraith delta]

Any way to make a dummy script then

something to connect the dots

must be a missing element somewhere

[spark steeple]

It's fine - I have the target script when it happens. Can work around it by sending a custom event and in the handler do I.Combat.onHit(info)

I've also scrapped the thing this may have been needed for, so really no sweat, but was curious how to make it work properly

[wraith delta]

There's no other way than you described it now, since we don't have like anything exposed for the UIs at the moment, just can trigger it by such reactions with engine

[spark steeple]

Yes, but the silly thing is that target:sendEvent("Hit", info) sounds like it should work exactly that way

Normally called as Hit event from the attacking actor, with the same parameters.

this especially

[wraith delta]

Ahh the lovely docs 😄

I recall now having some issues with this one as well when I was making marksman mod

[spark steeple]

hence the wtf

[wraith delta]

Something wasn't right

[spark steeple]

    eventHandlers = {
        Hit = function(data) I.Combat.onHit(data) end,
    },
}

yeah, it already does exactly what I've described above

no clue why healthbar wasn't showing up then, but does when I.Combat.onHit is called locally

[wraith delta]

Now when I think about it, have you enabled the option of reduced cast chance in the settings?

[wraith delta]

Glad you got it sorted 😄

Looks like it's a quirk (or intended feature). Might be intended though, since you might want to do it both ways (show and don't show the bar for any script reason)

ie. making like an event where few NPCs get damaged not by player or something

[delicate gyro]

The trend of the spells not applying any effect during low-FPS moments is holding for me.

Yesterday, I was kinder to my computer, and only had maybe a couple such misses all day, one of which occurred precisely during a cell change stutter.

Right now my computer is overheating and struggling, FPS is shit, I just tried to cast some Engraved Ring of Healing and some Amulet of Rest to test it : close to half of the casts bugged. IN FIRST PERSON view.

so its not a 3rd/1st person view thing, happens in both views

[wraith delta]

I am looking into it at the moment, working on fixes

[wraith delta]

Would you like to beta test the update soon when I make it ?

I'm adding more debug to identify the missing casts issue and also fixed the self hp bar hopefully

I have a strong PC myself so it's impossible for me to pinpoint it

OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v2.2 / 23/05/2026

[delicate gyro]

Sure, with my computer problems, it's pretty easy to check with different FPS. Basically, run OpenMW right after booting with nothing else on the computer, then retry at end of day with a gazillion Firefox tabs and discord open and a bunch of other stuff with a COC Ebonheart for good measure to see the difference 😅

[wraith delta]

I'll try to force low framerate first on my PC and we'll see, but it might be due to stutters, definitely a pesky bug

[delicate gyro]

Though even at low FPS, the bug isn't consistent. I just noticed a sharp difference in frequency or so it seems. Wish I had actual statistic for reliable data (exact FPS at each occurrence, too... Since FPS fluctuates too, it's not so accurate)

But going from twice across several hours yesterday, to missing 4 times in a row today in bad FPS situation feels like it could really be related to FPS stutter

[wraith delta]

I'll try hard to fix it promise

[delicate gyro]

Cheers. It's not a huge deal as far as I'm concerned (when in such low FPS, the FPS is already the bigger problem), I'm just giving what feedback I can

[wraith delta]

It must be consistent, I would like to see this mod in modlists

So it must be flawless

[delicate gyro]

I'm going to try and do more test next next time I play. One problem I have often is cell change lag/loading freeze. If I encounter one that consistently makes me freeze back and forth across the cells, I'll try to cast those spells at the same timing. Come to think of it, I should try some 100 casting when not at cell border first, to compare numbers.

[wraith delta]

Don't do no more tests, I've limited the frames to 15fps and it doesnt cast lol. Now to do more digging, it is explicitly tied to low framerate

[delicate gyro]

I didn't even think of using FPS cap lmao

[gleaming nest]

When casting chance is linked to your hadware. 4th wall break mechanics

[wraith delta]

WHY it happens I have no clue (as of now 😄 )

But will fix it for sure since some people play on sub 20 fps still

Unless it's some damned engine limitation, I hope not

[gleaming nest]

I have this issue too. But lua heavy scripts, especially when you have a lot of lua based mods enabled seem to get unstable with low frame rates, so I didn't though it were necessairy to mention it. Sorry, I could have pointed that out sooner 🙏

[wraith delta]

Now I am testing what's the min FPS needed for spells to work, just for knowledge and then will proceed to counter it

Okay, anything below 25 FPS bugs the casting

[delicate gyro]

Is it consistent though? Because I'm sure I've also successfully cast some spells sub-25 FPS

Like in my testing earlier when I had a lot of fails, I still had at least 50% success, with FPS in the 15-20 range (I activated F3 to check)

[wraith delta]

25 fps constantly success ( I have it flat 25 fps, not 24,5 - 25,5 )

anything below is failing

[modest owl]

o_O

[delicate gyro]

Might have been fluctuations too fast to register I guess, since I didn't have FPS cap. The inconsistency could've been tied to FPS inconsistency

[wraith delta]

I might now know what is it

Stay tuned

[delicate gyro]

I'm glad my computer problems were good for something at least 😅

[wraith delta]

Fixed

I'll check if there are more bugs to fix within ossc and will publish an update

[frank apex]

Anybody test the spellsword OCCS fix?

[wraith delta]

Not yet, I need to fix like 3 more mods before I can do anything regarding other things 😄

[frank apex]

Take your time honestly

[delicate gyro]

I don't use spellsword atm

[wraith delta]

Version 2.3 is live on Nexus
-player health bar when casting self spells when using vanilla UI should be gone now
-fixed every OSSC spell failing to cast below 25 FPS
-you should now not be able to quickcast while paralysed or silenced

OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v2.3 / 27/05/2026

Let's hope this is the final update

Well, final update for bugs. I have some more coming to it in the future regarding skill progression mods

and some integration for quick select ultimate mod

[delicate gyro]

My computer's cooled down now, time to update and test 😄

[modest owl]

I'm curious- why were they failing to cast below 25 fps?

[wraith delta]

It was failing to hit the timer, the jumps of the frame were too big and it was missing the moment of release

the issue with silence/paralyse should also be fixed

Yeah, it's fixed

[gleaming nest]

Do I have to update Spellframework plus with the vfx "fix" we talked about some days ago?

[wraith delta]

Nope, the ossc patch was purely within that mod

I remember though about it, when I will introduce something new to SF+ then I'll add the option to reduce the vfx

[wraith delta]

OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v2.4 / 27/05/2026

v2.4 is out on Nexus, make sure to also update SF+ for the paralysis patch
-paralysis spell fix (ossc part) - so it actually paralyses the actors

[wraith delta]

I have added that in the SF+ settings now

[earnest nexus]

Hi again and thanks for all the updates! Anyhow, the "phantom" enemy health bar still appears when using restoration spells. Tried this time with only the official .esps, Spell Framework and OSSC enabled.

[delicate gyro]

Yeah, it still does it for me too (engraved ring of healing test)

[wraith delta]

Damn, I don't have vanilla setup to check this (since I use interface reimagined which turns it off)

[delicate gyro]

Didnt think this update was addressing this though

[wraith delta]

@earnest nexus @delicate gyro can you check with this test version if the issue persists? It now should not pass any player->self attacker info at all
Both OSSC and SF+ beta update

[delicate gyro]

I will, though not today Im affraid

[wraith delta]

No worries, no rush ^^

[delicate gyro]

I needed to install the new updates anyway (never thought Id install 4 updates for the same mod in a day huhu I applaud your dedication), Ill try this first instead

[wraith delta]

I'm trying

There's not much more to fix in OSSC

[delicate gyro]

I forgot to go and test the casting while paralyze fix, too. Ill do that tomorrow, with this new test update

[wraith delta]

I've checked it and it's working ^^

The test version needs to be fixed

Hold on

[delicate gyro]

OK

[sick iris]

btw @wraith delta it seems like the fix from Sit Down Please does the job, no more logspam.

[wraith delta]

Send me the files if you can in free time, I'll update them on nexus

[sick iris]

@wraith delta sorry it took me so long, lol better get them in other people are sending me fixes now too 😅

[wraith delta]

Thank you 🙌 maybe tommorow I’ll have time to swap and check

[sick iris]

All good haha

There's not really any rush, just someone made a whole mod page about it. 😂 Those warning can get under the skin

Tbf they were sound though. Gave me a python script to fix the issue in future

[sick iris]

might want to have a look at this too when you get around to it, Nexus user chilaxed sent me this as a compatibility fix for MBSP

[gaunt schooner]

compatibility between the 2 mods would be really nice 👍

[wraith delta]

Yeah I've seen the comments, will merge these changes soon, my week was extremely busy and didn't have time to really work on mods

[sick iris]

No rush boss

[glacial tangle]

@wraith delta - would it be possible to add API call or event to cast magic effect from spell or item? ideally with possibility to do that without even equipping said spell or item to do this?

[wraith delta]

You want to call it separately from ossc? Then it's possible through the sf+ (spell framework plus). If through ossc then doing it without equipping said spell would need some work from me. Can you explain why you need it like that?

ossc uses calls from sf+ anyway though

ossc is mostly just animation controller. whole thing is happening through sf+

[glacial tangle]

I'm making a quick wheel of sorts and want to have an option to cast through OSSC if that is installed

And while I can make relatively simple cheaty option to immediately cast self-affecting spells, I definitely don't want to implement another quick cast like OSSC does

With animations and all bells and whistles

[wraith delta]

There is function in Ossc you should be able to call for : triggerQuickCast

If it doesn't work let me know, but this is the one that triggers all the checks and everything and launches

[glacial tangle]

Will take a look tomorrow, thanks!

[wraith delta]

You could make it so that it equips the chosen spell from quick wheel, triggers it and then equips back to the old one. This solution should work without any updates to anything

[woeful root]

I haven't tried/used, nor know if it's been brought up before, but I think it would be tremendously awesome if item/scroll casting had it's own animations.
Of course I suppose creating these new animations is, as always with Morrowind modding, the major obstacle.
That said, wouldn't it be awesome to have an animation that quickly rolls open a scroll and the scroll vanishes or burns up or something, or for items an animation where the player's hand does like a self-touch (as if they're touching an amulet around their neck, just as a universal animation for all other items so as to not have to creat that many animations)?

[sick iris]

if there is a way to distinguish between casting from items or not then it might be worth considering. the scroll one sounds pretty complicated though.

the first thing i pictured was using a ring by giving the finger and then vigorously fumbling with their enchanted belt. could be cool though

[woeful root]

Only thing is, I wouldn't ask for there to be so many diverse animations like for each type of item... That'd be asking too much
I just meant one for scrolls and one universal animation type for all items.
So as to find a "middle ground" between instant casting and the "use casting animation for enchanted items" option in launcher...

[wraith delta]

There is a way of course, spells are categorised between spell, item/enchant recordid and scrolls. This is not a problem at all

[sick iris]

Nice, there's always a way haha well its something to think about, it was talked about it here before. Some item based casting anims would be interesting. Idk if it's something for ossc, might need 2 hands to do it right. I'm not saying I'm gonna get to it soon or anything lol, but it's a cool idea

Enchanted pants!

[gleaming nest]

So you would do specific animations for specific enchanted items being used when casting?
This sounds as if a wand or gun cast is possible, in a similar style like OSSC, but with said items in the left hand. 🤔

[sick iris]

It's very possible, we made casting anims for skrow's spell tome mod already and Consuming Animated shows how we can add whatever items we want. Also Glider mod shows how we can add new bones for the items too. So having a quick draw blaster shoot space magic is the logical conclusion

[gleaming nest]

OSSC + N'Garde = Bloodborne-ish gun parry?

[sick iris]

Indeed now we're getting to the cool stuff. Much like the Lua side, the limits are only imagination and time lol.
We were also discussing some kind of spectral/living weapon that changes shape depending on attack

I would also like to figure out a way to animate the weapon change for the new GRIP extension 🤔

Too many ideas

[gleaming nest]

Strong ideas, love all of them. Be careful with not to burn out my friend 😉

[icy citrus]

Holding your enchanted amulet or positioning your enchanted ring into your cast would be cool

Or holding your weapon in a casting posiiton

[sick iris]

Yeah using weapon in casting would be cool, a step closer to sword singing

Or wand casting

It would be sweet to have different spells set to directional swings for a wand weapon

[wraith delta]

Sadly I don’t have time to work on the mods last few weeks. Happily though that should change in a week or two this will change 🚀 the ideas are great of course and give some direction for the future

[sick iris]

Yeah we'll get to it eventually haha it's some cool stuff to think about

[craggy idol]

Wanted to thank you for this - it makes Starwind so much better just by existing.

[sick iris]

thats great to hear, i was curious how it would go with SW, i still havent actually played it, how does it handle the magic system?

[craggy idol]

As far as I know it's just renamed into "Force" and all the schools renamed to stuff like Dark Force Powers, Light Force Powers, Mind Trick Force Powers

I don't think it has any back-end changes

But I think I couldn't play Starwind without this mod anymore, it's the difference between "just wizard" and "actually holding a lightsaber and using healing or lightning"

[wraith delta]

Happy to hear that🚀

[sick iris]

yeah that's badass. make sure you have qcill anim set for Mind Trick powers ;)

[modest owl]

This + compatibility with incantation = op mage

[wraith delta]

I am trying to download this and it blocks me saying it's a virus lol

Could you reupload it please ^^

[sick iris]

ther ya go :)

[wraith delta]

Ty, was some false positive from windows defender lol

Some patches will be going live tommorow for SF+ and OSSC

Thanks to the community mostly but I will be also adding Grimoire cast position fix

SF+ is merged on github already and OSSC is half merged, so it's best to wait until finished

[sick iris]

nice! good to wrap that up, that's the last of my logspam cleared up 😅 🎉

[wraith delta]

Got a little bit of time today so got things as much forward as possible

[swift orbit]

Thank you both

[wraith delta]

No problem

[modest owl]

I actually got incantation to work with ossc lol, unfortunately it requires modifying code on both ends

[wraith delta]

If you want I can merge it but first it would need incantation to be merged. I am open to

[wraith delta]

v2.5 is live on Nexus and Git (it is mandatory to update SF+ as well)
Thanks to TPABOBAP and chilaxed for their fixes:
TPABOBAP:
-added sending cast state events when exiting early in triggerQuickCast
-fixed playing different spell failure sounds depending on school used for cast chance
-added sending new SF+ event to make sure caster effects match spell being cast
-added using new helper functions from SF+ to get spell cast chance and spell cost
-fixed spell provided from opts being ignored if player had selected magic item
-added API under OSSC name that provides access to triggerQuickCast and isCasting getter
-added handler for OSSC_QuickCast event that calls triggerQuickCast function
-added send OSSC_CastingState event when isCasting changes
-added options to triggerQuickCast that can ignore ui state or provide pre-selected spell or item to use

chilaxed
-added optional option to enable Power Quickcasting for gamepad users (do not use this together with normal spell stance - it will result in being able to cast Power once per cast type - will be fixed in OpenMW 0.52)
-added optional MBSP (Magicka Based Skill Progression) formula for spells, you can turn it on in the mod settings
-fixed animation files so that they do not produce log warnings anymore

my fix:
-adjusted Eternal Grimoire cast position to respect right hand casting and not left one like usual OSSC casts

OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v2.5 / 16/06/2026

[sick iris]

Nice updates! the extra triggers sound cool

[swift orbit]

Thank you for the update

[wraith delta]

Yep, TPABOBAP did what I wanted to do in the future. Now I can easily implement it in my Quick Select mod cause people have been asking for that feature to cast directly from hotbar

[modest owl]

you mean like that? @wraith delta

[wraith delta]

Yeah but implemented onto my action bar mod. What the hell is happening with the visuals

(spell speeds will be finetuned soon to be in line 1:1 to vanilla formula)

[modest owl]

i stuffed a bunch of fancy stuff in your SFP mod to handle something I was working on

[wraith delta]

Tell me more about it

[modest owl]

the big fireballs were critical casts

[wraith delta]

Cool, just the flickers would need to be fixed anyhow

[modest owl]

oh yeah, that's the sky shader eating the vfx 🙄

[modest owl]

one thing I did notice though, multieffect projectile spells fire off at different speeds:
take banishing light for example- the fireball shoots at 4500 and the turn undead part shoots at 3000

since I know...pretty much nothing about morrowind magic because I don't play mages, i made it combine the speeds and average it out

[wraith delta]

This is the patch I need to do but with grabbing the speeds from the engine directly. The hardcoded values are off comparing to vanilla

It's currently being looked into/being done as we speak

[swift orbit]

My friend, was the missing bone spam supposed to be fixed in the most recent update? I still see spamming the logs. I hope this is helpful

[sick iris]

Yeah it was supposed to be 🤔 did you fully clean out the old files?

[swift orbit]

Yes, let me try again. I haven't updated since 2.5

Just did a fresh install, deleted the old directory and files

Spam is still there

It's "quick throw" happens when going into third

Warning: addAnimSource: can't find bone 'bip01 l finger02' in meshes/xbase_anim.nif (referenced by animations/xbase_anim/xquickthrow.kf)
[13:32:54.824 W] Warning: addAnimSource: can't find bone 'bip01 l finger12' in meshes/xbase_anim.nif (referenced by animations/xbase_anim/xquickthrow.kf)
[13:32:54.824 W] Warning: addAnimSource: can't find bone 'bip01 l finger22' in meshes/xbase_anim.nif (referenced by animations/xbase_anim/xquickthrow.kf)
[13:32:54.824 W] Warning: addAnimSource: can't find bone 'bip01 l finger3' in meshes/xbase_anim.nif (referenced by animations/xbase_anim/xquickthrow.kf)
[13:32:54.824 W] Warning: addAnimSource: can't find bone 'bip01 l finger31' in meshes/xbase_anim.nif (referenced by animations/xbase_anim/xquickthrow.kf)
[13:32:54.824 W] Warning: addAnimSource: can't find bone 'bip01 l finger32' in meshes/xbase_anim.nif (referenced by animations/xbase_anim/xquickthrow.kf)
[13:32:54.824 W] Warning: addAnimSource: can't find bone 'bip01 l finger4' in meshes/xbase_anim.nif (referenced by animations/xbase_anim/xquickthrow.kf)
[13:32:54.824 W] Warning: addAnimSource: can't find bone 'bip01 l finger41' in meshes/xbase_anim.nif (referenced by animations/xbase_anim/xquickthrow.kf)
[13:32:54.824 W] Warning: addAnimSource: can't find bone 'bip01 l finger42' in meshes/xbase_anim.nif (refer

Just some examples with 2.51 and latest framework

[wraith delta]

Seems like I forgot to remove that old file 🥵

Will upload soon without this file

[swift orbit]

Ty my friend

[sick iris]

I think you only need to ship the .kf files for it to work btw

[wraith delta]

Will sort that out quickly 🙌

[sick iris]

All good, it's no harm but I'm pretty sure the nifs aren't needed