N'Garde. Vanilla-Friendly Parry and Active Block.

[inner hare]

Arena-DF had a similar vibe

DF made many improvements

but it was still similar

in terms of overall style

[tropic fulcrum]

DF was more medieval

morrowind is more ugh eastern religions

[inner hare]

they def mix and match stuff much more with TES3

[tropic fulcrum]

oblivion is def medieval

without dragons

smh

skyrim is ugh

13 year old first fantasy project

[young aspen]

What's after N'garde for you Arrean

[inner hare]

https://tenor.com/view/renuu-thanos-rest-peaceful-gif-20831938

[tropic fulcrum]

en attack

[young aspen]

N'garde 2

not that you have to do something else, just wondering if you have other interests

[tropic fulcrum]

I want a dark fantasy lighting overhaul for morrowind

something more depressing

[inner hare]

I like Vanilla aesthetics, personally

[tropic fulcrum]

I like it too

but you know

it's like hearing a good album over and over

you want something different

[rustic latch]

Not sure. I have a couple ideas, but likely nothing as big for a little bit

[tropic fulcrum]

animation related?

[rustic latch]

lmao, no

But well, maybe. 1.5 animations.

N'Garde honestly needs a little bit more polish in animation department, but I'm busier with work right now than I was couple months ago, so I try to do what I enjoy during my off time, and that is not animations so far.

Couple other ideas, but we'll see

[young aspen]

Nice, looking forward to whatever you work on

[tropic fulcrum]

whatever you work on, I will be using it

[rustic latch]

Eh, don't oversell it.

[inner hare]

Arrean presents: crypto for you!

[rustic latch]

I'm happy with engarde, but I don't have a claim to consistency

[hard tree]

I started a playthrough and I don't really know what to do when fighting

Tutorial popups or some other indicator of when to press buttons would be really nice

[misty phoenix]

N'Garde 2026 edition

[tough juniper]

Add a sparring instructor in a dream sequence, so you can train while you sleep

[inner hare]

stick them with the pointy end

[hard tree]

https://youtu.be/oqNU-VXeTh0?t=14

Just a little popup

[rustic latch]

That's... may be a half decent idea. First time a character enters combat.

[rustic latch]

Before I get around to that though. Do you need guidance?

Press LT (by default) if you have a controller, or whatever kb/other button you've assigned to parry in settings.

Parry is considered ready when fully raised. All parry animations are ~180-220 ms long depending on the weapon.

To support that - enemy attack windup is slowed.

If you parry just as the attack was about to land the parry will be perfect, cancel all damage and can stagger the opponent

Other than that - it may require not spamming left click, as all of the above applies to NPCs too, and playing a bit more carefully, but should be very vanilla like

[rustic latch]

Stagger from hits is also different. To prevent animation stunlock all actors have an internal stagger cooldown that prevents them from getting staggered again for a short duration, 0.6 to 3 seconds depending on their stats

[misty phoenix]

It would be nice if Caius or the trainers he points the player to could give some combat tips diegetically too

Kind of like the little advice topic for vanilla features

[young aspen]

Sellus Gravius takes you out to the courtyard to beat you up

[wet tendon]

N`Rage- an instance of an area is created for your character to wreak absolute menacing havok on the population in the cell, such as running on walls, breaking objects, flipping off guards, calling commoners an nwah, and so on. points are rewarded based on the amount of destruction and chaos caused, with a high score table shown at the end

[tough juniper]

N'gage - aetherial ship combat simulator

[robust sundial]

N’gorge - if you eat a lot you can get fatter than Yagrum

[real onyx]

N'Gouge - take out people's eyes with a fork

[quasi niche]

N'Waaagh, plays tarhiel's scream for every >50 feet fall

[simple bone]

N'tourage - Another Companion overhaul

[real onyx]

Are these companions from Suran's fine establishment?

[simple bone]

:^)

[tough juniper]

That's S'cort

[rustic latch]

I'm realising I've missed something:

https://tenor.com/view/it's-over-9000-it's-over-9000-its-gif-6159356195145880706

[hard tree]

Congrats 🎉

[rustic latch]

Thank you!

Did you get a chance to play with the mod, btw? Curious what you think

[hard tree]

Yeah I've put in 30 minutes with a barbarian but then I realized all the content mods I installed are for mages, so I'm doing destruction plus the occasional spear now. Combat is way easier with lightning bolts 😆

My hand is acting up so I'm going to take a break and work on one stick more.

One of the confusing things with using a shield is that the shield gets raised up during a held power attack, which matches the parry/block animation. Do you count as having your shield up when you hold a power attack?

Can you raise your shield or parry while you are charging up?

[rustic latch]

No, and that's the vanilla animation for shield

you can't mechanically raise guard while attacking, or attack while your guard is raised

I see how that can be confusing though :/

[hard tree]

Then I'd really like to see the left arm animation overwritten when doing an attack with a shield

[rustic latch]

hmmm. I can probably do it even without making a replacer

[hard tree]

Yeah just do a mask

[rustic latch]

just play idle on it

[hard tree]

It's a great mod though (obviously)

Just nits and polish

[rustic latch]

I do similar for torches etc in the left hand for when we are parrying with a one-handed weapon

[rustic latch]

❤️‍🔥 not as obvious, I think, so thank you.

I'll push an update for charged attacks and shield in a little while.

[pastel vine]

Ohh what will that include? Is it something similar to Maxar's timed attacks, and Move Like This?

[rustic latch]

Nonono. just not raising the shield when holding a swing. Otherwise its confusing- seems like the guard is raised

[pastel vine]

Ohhhh haha I understand now

[rustic latch]

Well, dammit. even with priority scripted - the animation on the left arm is roundly ignored unless I cancel the entire attack animation, which is definitely not what we want.

That said - I've noticed that with re-animation and 3rd-person alt-attacks the "shield raising" on a swing doesn't happen. So probably my recommendation is to use those :/

It seems that the only reliably way to prevent it as part of n'garde is to ship animation replacers :/ which is... well, solidly out of scope and there are better replacers out there

[hard tree]

Damn

[rustic latch]

it's not even that vanilla animation raises the shield

not on purpose

it just has exactly the same left arm movement with and without, and the character raises left arm to their abdomen

hence we get the "oh, did I raise the shield"? thing

[pastel vine]

The shield raise animation that S3ctor used in CHIM was really good and noticable. I'm not sure if you have seen that one yet

[rustic latch]

Not what we mean, but I may need to ask S3ctor about it

[sour cipher]

sounds like that could work tho

[rustic latch]

yeah, so use replacers that are already out there

animation replacer also should much higher in a load order than N'Garde so shipping two together is readme nightmare

[inner hare]

Have you been asked about N'Garde compatibility? 😅

[rustic latch]

Yes. Yes I was

[misty phoenix]

I wish this would be fixed. N'Garde seems really interesting, but I just won't give up on the features from Can't Touch This to play around with N'Garde, tbh

[rustic latch]

[uncut sun]

You should just have the mods set up to explode your computer if you load both at the same time. That would be funny i think.

[rustic latch]

[uncut sun]

List it as a feature too

[rustic latch]

No one would read it anyway

[maiden tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-gif-13456727117145732788

[rustic latch]

Well, I apparently, can't not fiddle.

A medium sized refactor is ready, should work generally better, although not likely anyone but me will appreciate that.

But. @maiden tangle , @hearty scroll I once again require your assistance

When you get time and inspiration:

play_miss_animations_for_player_setting_name: "Play miss animations for player"
play_miss_animations_for_player_setting_desc: "Enables miss animations for player character in 3rd person. I think these are quite disruptive and don't feel good on the player character so they are disabled by default."

[hearty scroll]

play_miss_animations_for_player_setting_name: "Activer les animations d'esquive pour le personnage joueur"
play_miss_animations_for_player_setting_desc: "Active les animations d'esquive pour le personnage joueur en vue à la troisième personne. J'estime que ces animations sont plutôt perturbantes et ne rendent pas bien sur le personnage joueur donc elles sont désactivées par défaut."

[rustic latch]

Thank you very much!

[tough juniper]

Ooh player dodging, interesting

Im curious to try it with Full Body Awareness, might be crazy

[rustic latch]

Won't be pleasant, I don't think. Several people asked about it, but it is very disruptive/ annoying

[tough juniper]

Yeah I can't imagine it being playable long term lol maybe with some careful tweaking a subtle middle ground could be found

[rustic latch]

I'm not even sure what that tweaking should be

[tough juniper]

Yeah, I've seen it done well in games but it would need research

[rustic latch]

big problem is that player input initiated animations cancel the dodge one, and the transition between the two is not smooth

also you can't move while dodging

which is... not great

[tough juniper]

Not saying it would be worth the effort, just pondering

[rustic latch]

and if I don't play it on lower body - it looks weird

Still a setting is a half-way decent compromise

so meh

[tough juniper]

Hm yeah I was thinking it would kind of need a full overhaul of 1stp movement

Sure, it's fun to have the option. No reason not to

[rustic latch]

first person?

nothing plays in first person

we didn't make any 1stp animations

[tough juniper]

I'm just thinking ahead of my words. There would be 1stP if using FBA but also I was pontificating about a full overhaul of movement animation without offering any context

FBA makes you experience the hit reaction animations too, lmao it's brutal when you have a poison effect or something

[rustic latch]

Yeah, cause FBA basically replaces first person with third person, but moves the camer viewpoint

I'm personally not too worried about those mods - so I don't think I'll spend much time on polish for them

[tough juniper]

Yeah fair. I should stop thinking out loud 😅

[rustic latch]

Nah, all good. Just not something I want to do right now

The player miss animation thing is only cause I got comments asking for it on both engarde and can't touch this.

And I was fiddling with the code anyway

[tough juniper]

Just to be clear I was talking about work that I was considering doing, not something that I thought you should be doing

[rustic latch]

That's appreciated, but some scripting on my end would be necessary anyway

I'm not really sure I/we can make dodge animations that look good without involving lower body either

[tough juniper]

Yeah I agree

[rustic latch]

And when I get over blender fatigue. I'd probably work on gobbo/alma dodge animations

not player

[tough juniper]

Heheh yeah definitely more worth the time

[maiden tangle]

play_miss_animations_for_player_setting_name: "Aktivierung von Ausweichanimationen für den Spielercharakter"
play_miss_animations_for_player_setting_desc: "Aktiviert Ausweichanimationen für den Spielercharakter in der Third-Person-Perspektive. Ich finde, dass diese eher störend wirken und beim Spielercharakter nicht gut zur Geltung kommen, daher sind sie standardmäßig deaktiviert."

[rustic latch]

Thank you!

[rustic latch]

1.3.1

• Addressed behaviour differences in fencer and player scripts
• corrected target list maintenance for fencer and player
• Setting to play miss animation on player character. Off by default
• A bit of code cleanup and optimisations

[rustic latch]

Fair Care got hands I think

[candid wren]

Whatever update Fair Care did in the latest has npcs chugging potions 😭😭

[inner hare]

they already used potions before

[wet tendon]

they always chugged potions lol

[inner hare]

I don't think whether any default settings were changed, but there was a code cleanup.

you can configure it in mod settings

[candid wren]

I think the the visual of seeing them drink is what it is

[wet tendon]

they'll be like "welp, im about to die, better stop attacking and chug potions"

[inner hare]

ah, so you are using animated drinking?

[candid wren]

Yeaaa that

Yeaaa

[candid wren]

Yeaa

[inner hare]

😄

that explains things

previously you only saw the Restoration effect

the one for healing

but creatures don't get potions

they can get healing spells if they have spellcasting ability or passive healing if the setting is turned on, based on Endurance and Strength stats

funnily enough, you can turn on healing for NPCs, Creatures and even the player, so you can use Fair Care in order to implement Skyrim-like dynamic HP regen

[candid wren]

That and having a bigger health element helps too

[lament wigeon]

Random idea: Blade On Blade On Hit Contact That Staggers Both The Defender and Offensor

[inner hare]

Stagger but based on stats

[lament wigeon]

Peak

And Blade Biting would be cool too but I think that's too much

[inner hare]

BTW 20 years ago I fiddled with the idea of glancing blows, but sth completely different than N'Garde option. Not related to hit chance at all. I wanted to make HP more dynamic, so I gave passive HP regen at highest HP % values, slow one at high ones and no regen below a certain threshold. The reasoning was that weak blows didn't do any real damage unless they were followed with other blows. Armor protected you, it's just a scratch etc. However, once you get a few hits like that or if you get a strong one, it's real damage and you no longer regen. Same for enemies.

If you combine this with crtical hits and such, even sth simple like that could make combat more dynamic. It certainly made it more dynamic in the old days. I also wanted to expand this with injuries (which would stop regen no matter the HP level), but didn't get to it.

[rustic latch]

That's not how it works

[rustic latch]

Will require a new physics engine to be good

https://store.steampowered.com/app/362490/Exanima/ if you want non-goofy physics based fencing

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[lament wigeon]

Yeah, I think itll only work to accurate hit chances mods too anyways

[lament wigeon]

Maybe just like visual effects for it?

Like sparks and stuff

[tropic fulcrum]

ah yeah

the game in early access for 10 years or so

[inner hare]

Star Citizen: rookie numbers

[tropic fulcrum]

I enjoyed playing exanima

but it's severely unfinished

oh released 0.9.5 recently

[hearty scroll]

Caves of Quds also spent 10 years in EA, but it was already very much playable with plenty of content years before 1.0, and definitely worth the price back then.

[rustic latch]

So is exanima

very much playable, a lot of content. I don't hold my breath for Sui Generis

but this game is already there

[tough juniper]

non goofy AND physics based?! 👀 It's hard to imagine

[rustic latch]

Well, it would be goofy if you don't know how to move/fight. But it's very much not in the end

[plucky bluff]

How difficult would a mordhau type clash system be? I don't think it uses physics, just tracks when weapon tracers collide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v_3FRlvBWQ

Of course the weapon strikes would need tracers to be attached however...

[candid wren]

Impact effects for weapons on armor or clothing? Streaking effects?

[rustic latch]

Impact effects covers that

[candid wren]

Ok ok

[rustic latch]

Not possible atm. We currently can't get held weapon position in wolrd

And not something I'm interested in, really

[hard tree]

That seems really goofy 😆

Is the normal gameplay like that?

[rustic latch]

It's multiplayer so yeah. As it happens in multiplayer games which have somewhat advanced but exploitable melee combat

Watch some Chivalry 1/2 gameplay sometime

case in point

[rustic latch]

If any of yall got time and inspiration. Latest sev build of CHIM 2090 os now compatible with n'garde. So if anyone wants to test https://github.com/DreamWeave-MP/S3ctors-S3cret-St4sh/releases/tag/development

[wet tendon]

I think the only thing I use of his is s3maphore, h3lp yourself, and chim climbing

don't remember, I have like 240+ mods

[rustic latch]

I mean, most everyone uses s3maphore :D

but this is very much for s3ctor's CHIM 2090 combat overhaul

When N'Garde is installed it will take over active blocking and parrying while CHIM will retain the rest of its functionality for those of us that want different style of combat in MW.
It is very much "let's get dark souls up in this bish"

[pastel vine]

Hmm that's interesting

I'm assuming N'garde will load after Chim?

And glancing Blows should be disabled if both are run?

I'm curious since there is a lot of overlap with N'garde, or at least there was

And then you have dynamic stats which hbfs does

[warm rapids]

The entire parry/block module on myy end shuts down which includes the damage scaling I do from glancing blows

[rustic latch]

Shouldn't matter - chim's parry/block is disabled if n'garde installed.

Maybe even before - then glancing blows will never trigger even if enabled

[rustic latch]

My "glancing blows" is the "always hit" thingy, but it only triggers if attack.successful is false

iirc you also force 100% hitchance, or does it also get disabled?

Right, so looking at it -whichever loads last will get to turn miss into a hit.

[warm rapids]

yea I keep 100% hit chance enabled

[rustic latch]

you send fortify attack, if attack.successful is false. I flip the flag and roll 20% max damage

so it will technically work, whichever onhit comes in first

[warm rapids]

Yeah but that's just an insurance policy, that's not how it's supposed to work

They'll have the fortify attack buff enabled way before that

that's basically just there for when you resurrect them and the actual buff resets

[rustic latch]

(it's 5AM I may be looking at a wrong thing)

[warm rapids]

You're mostly looking at the right bit it's just deceptive

In the onHIt, re-enabling hit chance/resetting stats is a fallback for when it didn't happen already, or got unset somehow

usually in my testing that's only necessary for when they've been resurrected

[rustic latch]

oh. Speaking of resurrects. I had issues with that.

I'm a bit lost in the monorepo - you do dynamic attach detach too, right?

[warm rapids]

yea

aw fuck I still use goto here

Do not do this

CHIMScriptToggle = function(stateInfo)
                        local actor, state = stateInfo.actor, stateInfo.state

                        for _, scriptPath in ipairs(ChimActorScripts) do
                                local attachmentStateMatches = actor:hasScript(scriptPath) == state

                                if attachmentStateMatches then
                                        goto CONTINUE
                                elseif state then
                                        actor:addScript(scriptPath)
                                else
                                        actor:removeScript(scriptPath)
                                end

                                ::CONTINUE::
                        end
                end,

[rustic latch]

Never did in my life

Yeah I found this bit

so. What I meant about resurrects

[pastel vine]

Ahhh okay

I just want to make sure I'm helping and testing properly haha

[rustic latch]

if you attach/detach on OMWMusicCombatChanged - it detaches on death - but onHitHandler persists

so on resurrect if the script is reattached

we get an actor with one script but two onHitHandlers

which leads to all sorts of shenanigans

[warm rapids]

Yeah, what about it?

The containers are specific to particular scripts, so your attach/detach shenanigans don't affect anyone else

[pastel vine]

Is there anything in particular that both of you would like tested? I'll begin testing chim and N'garde interop right away

[rustic latch]

That didn't cause problems for you?

Interesting - wonder what I was doing wrong

[warm rapids]

Well I just don't attach the OnHitHandler multiple times:

        'scripts/s3/chim2090/core.lua',
        'scripts/s3/chim2090/dynamicManager.lua',
        'scripts/s3/chim2090/mechanics/poise.lua',
        'scripts/s3/chim2090/mechanics/parry.lua',
        'scripts/s3/chim2090/roll/core.lua',
        'scripts/s3/chim2090/block.lua',
        'scripts/s3/chim2090/onHitManager.lua',

Because within that context, the OnHit handler still runs

[rustic latch]

From my perspective - just play around and see how it feels

[warm rapids]

same

[rustic latch]

Can you please elaborate? And I'll guess I'll first explain in more detail what I've ran into

[warm rapids]

You don't have to explain it

Every script runs in its own universe

So you've modified local state in another script by adding your function/state into it

Removing and reattaching your script, if it only just does I.Combat.addOnHitHandler, will slap the exact same function with separate state into the end of that array

[rustic latch]

So - an actor script. Granted onHitHandler is not the only thing in it.

Detach on exit out of combat - reattach.

hasScript reported "no script" - but onHitHandler of that script persists - hence resurrected actor got forever stuck in last known state at the time of detach

[warm rapids]

Yep

[rustic latch]

since other updaters stopped running

I guess what I dont' exactly understand is how you handle it. I'll read the code when I wake up.

I resorted to turning that onHitHandler into a no-op on detach

I.Combat.addOnHitHandler(function(attack)
    if not releaseActor then -- turning the onHitHandler into noop if the script is detached
        logging:debug("localid:" .. id)
        logging:debug(tostring(self) .. ":" .. parryController.id)
        attack = parryController:onHitHandler(attack)
    end
end)

[warm rapids]

The global needs to track those attachments manually

all your state gets destroyed and the other actors can't write to local storage in their scopes

[rustic latch]

Right. and then I guess the onHit would need to be isolated, and that's what you did

[warm rapids]

Well upon reviewing the code I see that I did not actually do so I just realized it would be a problem and forgot tbh

[rustic latch]

That happens more often than I care to admit

[warm rapids]

local ChimActorScripts = {
        'scripts/s3/chim2090/core.lua',
        'scripts/s3/chim2090/dynamicManager.lua',
        'scripts/s3/chim2090/mechanics/poise.lua',
        'scripts/s3/chim2090/mechanics/parry.lua',
        'scripts/s3/chim2090/roll/core.lua',
        'scripts/s3/chim2090/block.lua',
}

local hitHandlerScript = 'scripts/s3/chim2090/onHitManager.lua'

---@type table<string, true>
local hitHandlersRegistered = {}

CHIMScriptToggle = function(stateInfo)
                        local actor, state = stateInfo.actor, stateInfo.state

                        for _, scriptPath in ipairs(ChimActorScripts) do
                                local attachmentStateMatches = actor:hasScript(scriptPath) == state

                                if not attachmentStateMatches then
                                  if state then
                                          actor:addScript(scriptPath)
                                  else
                                          actor:removeScript(scriptPath)
                                  end
                                end

                                if not hitHandlersRegistered[actor.id] then
                                    hitHandlersRegistered[actor.id] = true
                                    actor:addScript(hitHandlerScript)
                                end
                        end
                end,

[rustic latch]

yup, this is the part I was missing and assumed you're doing it somewhere else since you told me so

[warm rapids]

man, I can tell I haven't looked at this in a while

I still have this fuck-ass VSCode indentation

😭

[rustic latch]

Matters of taste - I often find that easier to read

[wet tendon]

think this might be a new trend: quickfiring the bow and spells from the hotbar

[warm rapids]

oh jeez y'all are on some crazy shit here now

oh lord

I'm gonna have to turn the heat up if this is the type shit you guys are doing now lord

my god, your...

I'm very behind.

[wet tendon]

the only thing i have left of mygui that's still there is the selected weapon/spell box, the sneak icon, and the minimap lol

[rustic latch]

That is very much over the top for me, but damn
That's OSSC for spells, right?

[wet tendon]

yeah, scripted mark/recalls work and so does mwscript items

[rustic latch]

And Raf's Sky that makes enchanted flame disappear

[wet tendon]

yeah i don't think lua will fix that one lol

[rustic latch]

yeah, no idea - I've not a clue how shader-land works

That said, I think I need to get some sleep. Sunrise snuck up on me

[kindred imp]

I feel like with Mercy installed, NPCs do their combo attacks while blocking 🤔

https://youtu.be/oiOzWh_nSzw

I know my swordplay is atrocious, I have no clue what I'm doing

[simple bone]

Is there anything exposed to detect when a player Perfect Parries? Or does it just trigger for the enemy? Was wondering if I could detect it at all

[kindred imp]

this in attackHandler

and N'Garde needs to be loaded after your mod, I think

[rustic latch]

There are also events. https://gitlab.com/Arrean/openmwluaparry/-/wikis/Home/Interop-Hooks

[rustic latch]

Hmmmmmm. Latest version?

[kindred imp]

yup, been experiencing it for probably a long time

just didn't have an idea on what exactly happens there until today

[rustic latch]

What's your load order for these two? And @inner hare , did you see anything similar?

Since you play with Mercy too

[inner hare]

Hard to say. I'm looking at the video, but I don't even know what's "wrong".

which means that I probably didn't pay attention even if sth like this happened

[rustic latch]

it's subtle, mostly I think cause Bor has some attack sound replacer. But - listen to the swishes, sometimes one can be heard when no one is attacking

Looks like they mostly miss on him, but it seems to be there

@kindred imp , mind trying this one?

So, confirmation A - definitely doesn't happen without Mercy

let me install it

So two things.

@kindred imp
A. this latest patch of mine.
B. Go into mercy find improvedAI.lua, on line 906 replace sender with e.sender

Yeah, can't force it to happen with Mercy installed after the patch

gonna upload it

[rustic latch]

1.3.2

• Minor fix for Mercy compatibility
• Slightly extended creature blacklist

[pastel vine]

Thank you

I'm going to try the latest CHIM with N'garde, and to be extra crazy add Move Like This haha

[rustic latch]

Seems I got at least one Fox confused. Just in case - blacklist expansion doesn't cover the madness that "Creatures Open Doors" does - I still didn't get around to reviewing the 170 some edits that mod does

[tough juniper]

Oh yeah lol I forgot about that, could have some interesting effects

[kindred imp]

Will do it a little later

[rustic latch]

Grab from nexus, same version basically, but at least in my testing - seems to work as expected. What I do now is briefly disable mercy controller while guard is up

and re-enable when it's lowered

[cinder gulch]

Btw #git-activity message

[waxen cliff]

Raw embed linked by @​hyacinth2199 from @​GitLab#0000 in #git-activity

lhya

[OpenMW / openmw] Issue #9144 Lua: GetMasserPhase and GetSecundaPhase equivalent opened by Hyacinth (lhya)
I'm working on several mods which implement different mechanics for phases of the moons. One is a UI mod and one is a gameplay mod. However, there is no equivalent of the mwscript functions: GetMasserPhase and GetSecundaPhase, so the only option is to create an .esp with an mwscript and send global variables back and forth, or hardcoding phases of the moons to dates which might not even be accurate.

This would also be helpful if someone wanted to bring the MWSE mod Windows to Aetherius to OpenMW.

Jun 14, 2026, 3:16 PM

[cinder gulch]

Whoops sorry wrong channel

Meant to go in holidays

[kindred imp]

seems like it worked
nice

too bad I'm still so crap build-wise I hardly can beat one cave bandit

[rustic latch]

Eh, that's at least novel compared to usually being OP as fuck in MW

[kindred imp]

none of the skills is higher than 40

[rustic latch]

Tis a mid-late wretch?

I need to do that challenge one day

[kindred imp]

no, just pure vibes build

0 synergy between the race and the class

[rustic latch]

I recommend dropping the shield

you'll be more effective parrying with a weapon

[kindred imp]

Why?

[rustic latch]

15 block

[kindred imp]

Sounds counter-intuitive

I will level
eventually

[rustic latch]

vs 37 shortblade

I mean, it's shortblade I guess, so a good shield will be better

but you'll get to perfect parries faster there

[rustic latch]

But this is why:
https://gitlab.com/Arrean/openmwluaparry/-/wikis/Formulas/Parry-Block-Defence-factor

With a decent shield - you will outpace shortblade currently at full fatigue, but it will drop off quicker as you get tired, since you don;t have skills to support

[fair wing]

returning to the whole slope sliding thing it appears somebody else has made a sliding mechanic https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/59185

I'm gonna be honest the mod needs a lot of polishing in terms of climbing speed, mechanics and animations etc but the potential is huge

and the fact this even works in the first place too

the sliding is quite nice other than the missing sfx and possibly dust vfx

[rustic latch]

I mean, #1475723166612455548 has sliding, and bones necessary for that.
This, however - I didn't try. Hrothgar's mods have been unpleasantly buggy in my experience

[candid wren]

a hit and miss depending on the "climbing" you do

[fair wing]

the sliding is not very buggy, the climbing and recent wall detection are very buggy

oh btw the sliding seen there seems to be for movement

I meant more like

[rustic latch]

Not to knock anyone. But last time I questioned him about "what does this do? why do you have non-existent functions in your code?" he went with "oh it's from old API". I'd had more respect if he just said "it was vibe coded"

🤷‍♂️

[fair wing]

if you fall down a cliff you have special effects to show it

[rustic latch]

His mods work, some of them. But I've stayed away since

[fair wing]

rather than just flying

[fair wing]

either way, I wouldn't knock the sliding mechanic, could maybe be frankensteined into a working good slide

[rustic latch]

Nah, that's fair. But refusal to admit it was vibe coded is what soured me

[fair wing]

but then chatgpt made some fancy shaders

and claude makes even better ones

so I'm wondering if the lua itself has gotten better

the only problem LLMs seem to have is knowing what OpenMW can and cannot do from my experience

[rustic latch]

I'm a wrong person to ask, and I don't really appreciate discussing this here - I don't use any, and encourage others not to. We are not "providing value for shareholders" here - pushing for results at the cost of own skill development and creativity is not something I can get behind. Not in a hobby space doubly so

[fair wing]

alright thats fair enough

[rustic latch]

Don't remove the messages

It's fine

Just that I have my positions, but I can't/won't police yours

[fair wing]

I understand

[rustic latch]

And like. People do make impressive stuff with it. My general problem is often it aligns with them not really understanding what has been made.
It being a maintenance nightmare.

And the worst part is when someone tries to sell an LLM output as their own, bleugh

[wet tendon]

the code the LLM spits out is really only as good as the operator behind it- if the operator has little to no programming knowledge, or even worse, poor understanding of how computers work, then the code is probably going to be bad

having said that, it's always fun to watch AI draw hands 😂

[wet tendon]

feeling cute might turn morrowind into a jrpg soon

[inner hare]

why would sth like this be a skill btw? Seems like sth that could be covered by critical chance mechanic, using standard skill level and Luck.

[wet tendon]

because daggerfall had critical strike as a skill 🤣

[inner hare]

I missed some fun milestones here

[rustic latch]

I felt like it not really counts, cause I was spamming bugfixes a bit too much. But I guess it means people did redownload the updates

[inner hare]

the true fun is here. Can't Touch This is one of the most popular mod from the last month . I wonder how many people installed it alongside N'Garde 😄

[rustic latch]

Eh, should be fine. As long as N'Garde is 1.3.0+ it will just not do anything

[inner hare]

"hey, can you make this compatible with N'Garde?"

sure, sure...

[rustic latch]

[tough juniper]

Update 3.6.21 - further improvements to "Can't Touch This" compatibility

[lone shale]

Not sure if this is the proper place to post this, because I'm not sure if the issue is with N'Garde or CHIM 2090, so apologies. Saw CHIM 2090 was brought up as having N'Garde support yesterday in here, so I wanted to check that out - but upon installing it and N'Garde, hits just...don't seem to connect at all anymore with NPCs or the player. Feels like I'm probably being stupid and missing something, but this is happening both with and without the Glancing Blows option enabled. I also took a video because the weird thing is that I was still getting XP for the hits even though they weren't connecting, because I leveled up from it. Any ideas? Again, probably my own stupidity somehow.

[rustic latch]

Get h3lp yours3lf dependency from the same link where you got the CHIM

version on nexus is old

hits not connecting means onHit handler chain fails. You still get XP cause skillUse handler chain is separate

[lone shale]

Yep, did that. Both from the Development versions on Github.

[rustic latch]

ah

Oh, right. I think there was another issue

but S3ctor is working on linux packaging for OMW itself right now, so probably hold off on it for a bit

It was briefly discussed in #1508890327405297856

#1508890327405297856 message read down from here

[waxen cliff]

s3kshun.8

try this replacement

Attachment(s)

onHitManager.lua

Linked by @​.arrean from #Stances - Comprehensive Skill Augment For Your Weapons · Jun 14, 2026, 6:25 PM

[lone shale]

Thanks! I'll take a look.

[rustic latch]

And unrelated, but since you've not posted before -any N'Garde related feedback? Balancing etc

[lone shale]

I don't think I have any real useful feedback to give - I did a playthrough with it installed for about 15 hours, but I didn't take block as a major or minor so I didn't use it much on my own end. I will say that the parry timing feels good from what I have seen. I'll need to play a bit more to really know if there's anything I can personally critique - I'm pretty bad at the attack timing to both avoid damage and attack when the enemy isn't blocking 😅

[rustic latch]

Well, good thing I've asked you. Cause block is secondary skill for everything except shields and h2h. As long as you have the related weapon skill you should be fine :D

But got it. Let me know if you come up with anything that doesn't feel good or feels broken. I've got most balance feedback pre-release from good folk here. And barely anything post-release. Which means it's either too broken, or we've nailed it. And I've no idea which still

[pastel vine]

I apologize, I should have posted my findings in chat but I reported the same issues with chim and h3lp to S3ctor. He is cooking haha

[rustic latch]

Yeah, let's let the man cook

main thing is he's aware

[pastel vine]

Definitely

[rustic latch]

get

[simple bone]

https://giphy.com/gifs/leagueoflegends-league-of-legends-camille-jhin-KyIaRm6jYlAGyJ86zH

[hard tree]

Very impressive

[rustic latch]

I'm just glad people seem to like it

[empty hazel]

Just wanted to drop in real quick to say thanks. Total banger of a mod for the game, feels like something that needs to be included in every mod list. Especially like that you took a swing (hah) at having a "always hit" mode. I didn't play with it much but it seemed shockingly balanced for Morrowind, besides the ability to stunlock the shit out of NPCs and occasional balance issues caused by other mods that are expecting misses to happen occasionally.

[native haven]

I love parryslop so I love this mod.

[rustic latch]

[native haven]

I do like it a lot fr tho

[rustic latch]

Hey, glad you're enjoying it.

Do you have an example of a mod that expects misses to happen?

Also sounds like I need to bump stagger cooldown again

[empty hazel]

Off the top of my head, something like Move Like This kinda fits the bill. Particularly if you use staves; they attack so ridiculously fast (all the weapon attack speeds in MW have always been kinda silly imo but that's irrelevant) and the thrust attacks on that mod are meant to have higher stagger, so staff users can basically keep anyone perpetually out of their range. I guess that's the point, but it's super brainlessly easy to do. Bows can also do this, though not quite as consistently.

It's nothing really game breaking tbh, and it's still miles ahead of any other attempt that I've seen to remove hit chance.

[rustic latch]

Aaaaah. You mean the stagger that comes from other mods

Right, n'garde's cooldowns should still apply, but yeah with more sources it may be problematic

[empty hazel]

I see. I've been having fun with it either way though :)

[rustic latch]

https://gitlab.com/Arrean/openmwluaparry/-/wikis/Formulas/Stagger-Cooldown

[jagged hamlet]

I wonder what happens if Fair Care takes control of an actor while he's blocking an attack, same with Take Cover.
Fair Care uses animation keys to know whether actors have finished their animation, but does your mod add new animation keys?

[jagged hamlet]

when installing n'garde with umo, the tools always thinks there is an update:

 │  N'Garde - Active Block and Parry (OpenMW) : N'Garde
 │  N'Garde - Active Block and Parry (OpenMW) : NgardeCreatureFlags_Must_Be_Merged.Omwaddon

maybe something is missing about the version?

[rustic latch]

I do add new animation keys for each parry animation. And also there's an interface I.NGardeFencer - for actors that can parry which has few functions and fields to tell you about the state.

However - Fair Care is a mainstay in my main save and I think it works very well as is - iirc you force an AI package change when they want to heal up - or at least a stance change for spells, and in those cases N'Garde partially or fully releases the actor. I've been playing with Fair Care and they seem behave just as expect both in terms of parrying and healing

[rustic latch]

I actually don't know. Did they tell you anything in momw channels? I'm not sure if I've missed something in how the files are set up on nexus

[rustic latch]

the two files I've got - I'm not sure if there are any settings there I'd need to change for umo to work better with them

[rustic latch]

I've asked in #umo and it seems that it installs right, but version tracking / cache has problems, but so far Sophie thought it's on nexus' end.

I guess as long as it launches/works - probably safe to ignore those

[rustic latch]

Also - https://gitlab.com/Arrean/openmwluaparry/-/wikis/Home/Interop-Hooks

this specifically:

NGardeFencer
NGardeFencer.VERSION
NGardeFencer.whoAmI() -- returns record id of the current actor
NGardeFencer.isStaggered() - bool. Is actor currently staggered
NGardeFencer.isAttacking() - bool. is actor currently attacking (is in attack animation)
NGardeFencer.startedParry() - bool, has the actor started the parry animation
NGardeFencer.isParrying() - bool. is the actor parrying
NGardeFencer.isAttackForbidden() - bool, is N'Garde preventing attack while the player is staggered
NGardeFencer.canParry() - bool, can actor parry right now
NGardeFencer.forceLowerGuard() - force end the parry state and the parry animation. Do not check if guard is currently raised.
NGardeFencer.tryRaiseGuard() - try start parry, no reaction time delay. Will fail if actor can't parry, doesn't have a correct parry tool
NGardeFencer.tryLowerGuard() - try lower guard. Will do nothing if actor doesn't have guard raised
NGardeFencer.stopProcessing() - stop actor processing. Same as ngarde_stopProcessing event
NGardeFencer.resumeProcessing() - resume actor processing. Same as ngarde_resumeProcessing event

all the isSomethingfunctions here.

But again - I think it works as expected already

[jagged hamlet]

thx for the info.
Fair Care waits for the current attack group to be finished before taking control of the actor.
I track these groups:

module.potentialAttackGroups = {
    "spellcast",
    "handtohand",
    "weapononehand",
    "weapontwohand",
    "weapontwowide",
    "throwweapon",
    "bowandarrow",
    "crossbow"
}
for i = 1, 3 do
    module.potentialAttackGroups[#module.potentialAttackGroups + 1] = "attack" .. i
    module.potentialAttackGroups[#module.potentialAttackGroups + 1] = "swimattack" .. i
end

and wait for keys ending with either "release" or "hit"

[rustic latch]

Right. But it still feels organic how it plays out right now. The Actor abandoning their defence in favour of trying to heal.

Since it usually happens after a hit - or when a DOT ticks over - it feels natural

[inner hare]

No issues with FC and N'Garde so far

[hearty scroll]

The fact that people with so many different difficulty and fighting preferences all enjoy the mod is a testament to its balance, compatibility, and flexibility huhu

Every one has a good reason to use this mod

(unless you just prefer vanilla of course, in which case you don't mod combat at all)

(even then you might still enjoy "can't touch this" ^^ )

[rustic latch]

🙏

[tough juniper]

Just install Can't Touch This and then disable "use animations from additional source", perfect vanilla combat

[inner hare]

It's remarkably compatible considering the general mod complexity.

[hearty scroll]

I mean, Arrean did put in a lot of work to make it as compatible as possible. And it shows in the result.

[inner hare]

I think that the only issue is with some creature flags for some modded models which aren't blacklisted. Hard to check every creature mod and cover every exception. More importantly, N'Garde seems to be working with pretty much all the big mods out there, so if sb refuses to use it, it's probably not because of compatibility.

[jagged hamlet]

would it work with https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/55943 🫣

[inner hare]

Most will probably be fine because they wouldn't even try to parry. Not sure how giants work there.

[candid wren]

Love this mod tbh

[inner hare]

Some of the creatures exist in TD already

Those would be kind of superflous

I don't remember if @rustic latch blacklists by nif or id only

damn, the mod is like 15-20 years old 😄

[rustic latch]

By ID at the moment

I didn't have time to redo that

[inner hare]

Well, no reason to remove ids from blacklists if it's done, but nif blacklist would be more comprehensive

[rustic latch]

Just better. So it needs a redo

the animations exist per nif/ per skeleton anyway

well

maybe whitelist should stay by ID - can't trust modders not to forget to put "canUseWeapons" where it needs to be, and then put it where it has no business being

It's mostly that I didn't feel like re-testing couple hundred creatures that I didn't do it yet

[inner hare]

Hill Giant from Antares - walks, no biped, no weapons. Should be fine, I guess.

[rustic latch]

Looking at it - it adds new creatures only, right? I'll download and check flags

[inner hare]

Frost Giant - same

Seems to be a pattern there

[rustic latch]

AnCr_Medusa
and
AnCr_Riekling

need blacklisted

otherwise should work fine

[inner hare]

BTW most of these creatures are unique

I mean

Rarely added to LCs

[rustic latch]

@jagged hamlet , I'll add on my end - but you can go to scripts/ngarde/helpers/constants.lua and add those two record ID's at the end of the file in contstants.creatureBlacklist

    "ancr_medusa",
    "ancr_riekling",

needs lowercased too

[inner hare]

The mod makes cell edits. Adds these creatures to some places and nowhere else. Well, trolls are more common.

Since many seem to be added to Solstheim, I wonder if it even works with TOTSP there

[rustic latch]

🤷‍♂️

[inner hare]

I mean, we have mods that move the island and overhaul its look. Nobody moves Vvardenfell

[kindred imp]

even Rebirth?

I'm disappointed

[inner hare]

I think that even Rebirth left Vvardenfell alone

[wet tendon]

rebirth is a pain to mod around lol

[inner hare]

So, almost all creatures from this mod are unique, placed in specific cells, and only 2 Solstheim levelled creature lists are affected (trolls are added there). Some landscape or dungeon overhauls may conflict, I think, but that's probably it.

Most of these creatures seem to be bosses.

[tropic fulcrum]

rebirth was ahead of its time

if it was released later, you would have seen BCOM merges, everyone singing its praises, and gizzilion compat patches for it

all rebirth needs is a "redux" rerelease and everyone will soy out

[inner hare]

Why btw?

[tropic fulcrum]

interest

simple as

morrowind is experiencing a renissance period

new relesae, an article and new vids about it

all marketing

something being incompatible with many mods never stopped the community from autistically going through everything in it to make it compatible.

modern rebranding and "redux" tag is the next step

[rustic latch]

Meh

[tropic fulcrum]

nice AI banner, and eloquent description.

[rustic latch]

rebirth has always been an opinionated meh

But despite my reaction - I know that will lure people in

[tropic fulcrum]

I am not saying it's good or bad, I am just giving my opinion on why it's the way it is

rebirth biggest issue is, it's a close system.

[rustic latch]

Nah, I hear you

[tropic fulcrum]

it's good if you want to play it and only it with gameplay mods

and maybe texture mods

nobody gives a shit about TOTSP being its own thing because who cares about solstheim lol

[hearty scroll]

so basically... Rebirth is the IPhone of TES III Mods?

[tropic fulcrum]

kind of?

it's just like BCOM + creatures + gameplay + NPCs + landscape edits ..etc

with only itself in mind

every big mod Is kind of developed with community in mind for a good reason

it appeals to people who don't give a single fuck about extended content or adding more mods, just plug and play

there is no right or wrong answer in these sorts of situations, only subjective preference.

however, if you want massive reach, then it's better to have your mods built around community in mind

for me, all of the impressive features from rebirth have been already covered by community mods

so

[inner hare]

yes, but when your mod is made without TR in mind, you are alienating a good chunk of the player base

and Rebirth does too many changes in order to make an "easy" patch for TR

[tropic fulcrum]

hence why it's its own thing

and why it needs a "redux"

[tough juniper]

I'm legitimately so sick of those sludgy AI banners and thumbnails. It's actually breaking my mod installing addiction

[tough juniper]

Yeah I kind of think BCoM itself kinda of needs it too after all this time, some of the new things coming out are sparking my disorders to make them fit together

[tropic fulcrum]

you have to give slop to the masses

the masses yearn for the slop

[tropic fulcrum]

BCOM probably will have its own redux before any other massive mod

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58977?tab=description

this fixes everything

[tough juniper]

Its probably better to work on things that fit together holistically though

In regards to my own value of time anyway. Ymmv

It's true

[tough juniper]

I am seriously considering this after wrestling with load order for so long

Lmao my Internet really messed up that conversation

[tropic fulcrum]

my philosophy is, BCOM is too good to sacrifice it for any other mod

[rustic latch]

I am very annoyed at BCOM just cause of how big it was

but I'm not taking it out

not yet anyway

[tropic fulcrum]

you need to provide me an alternative that's much better to BCOM

[tough juniper]

I need a better bcom

[tropic fulcrum]

I know the OpenMW modding team is working with Melchior on a OAAB modlist alternative

but it's still early WIP

[tough juniper]

I'm very curious to see PTR teams Vivec overhaul

[tropic fulcrum]

you can also use that new PBR modlist on nexus

[tough juniper]

You can indeed

[tropic fulcrum]

but it gets constnat updates so

not stable enough

[tough juniper]

There's only on real option

[tropic fulcrum]

vanilla

[tough juniper]

Rebuild the whole damn thing from scratch

[tropic fulcrum]

I would love to see VV rebuilt with TR team

[tough juniper]

Yeah that's going to be very interesting

[tropic fulcrum]

the quality of TR compared to vanilla is staggering

it's catch-22, you can't have TR without vanilla morrowind and you can't have modern morrowind without TR

hey solstheim, you do your own thing, nobody cares enough lol

[inner hare]

BCOM has tons of patches and is included on many modlists, so it has good coverage.

The thing is that if sth becomes popular enough, it sets standards

That's why I mentioned TR and Rebirth. Rebirth doesn't make sense if you want to use TR unless you create a rebalancing addon.

[tropic fulcrum]

yup

[inner hare]

TOTSP is the standard for Solstheim, though. Look at downloads.

[rustic latch]

I mean.. I've downloaded it cause it was recommended. I never went to Soltsheim since in 300 some hours

[tropic fulcrum]

yup

lol

[inner hare]

Typical Solstheim experience

Yeah, it's popular

[rustic latch]

yeesh

good numbers

[hearty scroll]

2,1k endorsments huhu

[inner hare]

Most mods don't have 2k unique downloads..

[hearty scroll]

IIRC I went to Solstheim on ONE playthrough since I installed TotSP ^^'

[inner hare]

I finished BM with TOTSP

[hearty scroll]

Never finished it 😅

[grizzled crane]

Am i the only person who doesn't like Totsp? It looks moddy in a lot of places and doesn't follow the vanilla landscape design. Basically, it's just a million cliff meshes.

[kindred imp]

Yes, you're the only one

[grizzled crane]

Waiting for a tr overhaul after the mainland. 👷🏻

[rustic latch]

[tropic fulcrum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdIy3t6U7Y4

[inner hare]

SHOTN has a similar vibe, though. They will derock some areas in a future update, but the overall vibe will be kept the same,

TOTSP is def more impressive than Vanilla Solstheim

although it can be hard on FPS

SHOTN is even worse, though

in some wilderness areas

hopefully, performance will get better

[inner hare]

Nice showcase. Well, I wouldn't go back. Unless I had to because of performance.

but same can be said about BCOM, for example

[hard tree]

A lot of mods just feel way too cluttered and overbaked to me. Clearly designed and not "lived-in"

[inner hare]

I don't see how it relates to TOTSP. Does Vanilla Solstheim look "lived in"?

frankly, it's not even supposed to be "lived in"

it's a shithote

[hard tree]

Oh I'm not talking about solstheim. More about bcom

[inner hare]

remote shithole

[rustic latch]

I know what you mean

[hard tree]

Solstheim sucks lol

[inner hare]

😄

[rustic latch]

There's a balance to be struck

[inner hare]

I agree. Balance is everything.

https://tenor.com/view/hp-harry-potter-snape-always-stare-gif-17584635

but if anything, I would say that some vanilla settlements actually lack details that make them "lived in". It's also an old game. Standards were different. Technical capabilities as well.

[tropic fulcrum]

I disagree, a lot of mods are "too" lived in

the problem is, it doesn't go well with performance

[inner hare]

yeah, sure

tons of objects

[tropic fulcrum]

now there is a way to fix that, realize your vision, then tweak until performance is decent

[hard tree]

Something like the 70/30 art rule.
Yuck hp reference

[tropic fulcrum]

don't release screenshot fodder mods

pretty girl, expensive as fuck

and have other mods in mind as well, your mod doesn't exist in a vacuum

could be fine on it own, but with other popular mods that affect the same area, it becomes a nightmare

[inner hare]

Is that like... your life advice?

[tropic fulcrum]

now hear

there are people with 9850x3d out there

they can deal with it

[inner hare]

Morrowind won't make the best use of modern hardware

[tropic fulcrum]

it sure does with the extra cache

helps with drawcalls

[rustic latch]

that x3d cpu is like 800$ last I checked and has more cache than I had RAM on first computer I played morrowind on

[inner hare]

Modern games look better and have higher FPS with modern hardware

Just a fact

[tropic fulcrum]

because multithreading and modern optimization techniques

morrowind released in a single threaded era

[inner hare]

So buy 5000 USD PCs for Cyberpunk, not OMW

[tropic fulcrum]

the x3d will 100% help with morrowind

and other open worlds

that's just a fact

[hard tree]

I don't wanna pick on a mod that is high quality and has a lot of love in it, but Memento Mori to me is too detailed and intentional rather than "natural feeling." some spaces just need less

[tropic fulcrum]

memento mori uses the worst OAAB asset known to man

and to fps

that's the worst aspect of it

[tough juniper]

The bones?

[tropic fulcrum]

yes

[inner hare]

Have you seen underground version?

[hard tree]

I briefly looked at the underground version. The big magic statue was a big turn off in the original. Also the number of NPCs is super duper high

[tropic fulcrum]

don't want to rant about oaab but it needs to chill out on polygons

[hard tree]

Overly symmetric

[tropic fulcrum]

memento mori makes sense lore wise because it existed for long enough to make it look like that

[inner hare]

Undeground is more fps friendly

[tropic fulcrum]

or

or

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58727?tab=description

"ABO (nif1.1.3ver) EXTREME"

[inner hare]

I have no performance issues there

[hard tree]

Are those shrines supposed to be older than the betrayal of nerevar? Why would they build shrines in/under the ghost gate

[inner hare]

But I haven't been everywhere

[tropic fulcrum]

rename skelPile002.nif to skelPile02.nif

[inner hare]

They power it up + they move underground

[hard tree]

Anyway, I don't want to get hung up on mori. It's just representative of some stuff I don't like

[tropic fulcrum]

it exited after the whole thing

it's containment

[tough juniper]

Yeah many things could do with scaling back

[tropic fulcrum]

OAAB just needs to make its assets FPS friendly

[rustic latch]

Have I told you about 500 SKELETONS?

[inner hare]

Ghostgate actually is one of main reasons many tombs are abandoned or neglected

[hard tree]

Is that from beneath the permafrost? 😭

[inner hare]

Yes

[tropic fulcrum]

or firemoth

[tough juniper]

It's been patched out since

[rustic latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1502801479948439683/1507890840083890286/image.png?ex=6a328787&is=6a313607&hm=1fa86f4cfeb750593617324ba8835e0c9e3912524b66145858f52c975f990637& yup

[tough juniper]

It has much fewer skeles now

[tropic fulcrum]

rain fire balls

[rustic latch]

And they all had fencer script from N'Garde on-release

[tropic fulcrum]

it was insane

truth is

concept morrowind was far more detailed than release

[inner hare]

Btw didn't you make shield surfing? How lore friendly is it?

Is this canon way to defeat Dagoth?

[tropic fulcrum]

well

battlespire

we can play this game lol

[inner hare]

But should we?

[tropic fulcrum]

bethesda are cowards, never truly embraced the fantasy scifi shit

[inner hare]

It's actually good that they balanced it. It's what makes MW MW. It strikes a good balance IMO.

Later games are too generic

Previous ones too old

[tropic fulcrum]

oblivion at least had the expansion

[inner hare]

And procgen

MW would have a totally different vibe if they procgenned it

[hard tree]

Yes shield surfing is the true c0da. It's been published for a while

Not very popular

[inner hare]

Oh btw

c0da

MK stuff

Is IMO shit

[rustic latch]

[inner hare]

Thank you for your attention

[rustic latch]

Some writers need to be told when to stop

[tropic fulcrum]

well it's interesting and insane

[rustic latch]

Examples include Sanderson and Kirkbride off the top

[hard tree]

Them's fightin words

[tropic fulcrum]

but that's it

[hard tree]

Sanderson is annoying af

[inner hare]

It has ALMSIVI superheroes

BS dialogue

[tropic fulcrum]

I actually respect people introducing insane shit even if you don't include them but brainstorming is important

[inner hare]

So much nonsense

[tropic fulcrum]

like if I am the lead project writer, I want someone like MK in my team to introduce insane shit

[inner hare]

Some good art

[tropic fulcrum]

my job is to trim that shit

it's what happened with george lucas

he had more creative control and things started to get out of hand

[rustic latch]

Yup. A good "no-man" or an editor

necessary

[rustic latch]

I see where that is coming from, and I say that as someone who read most of his stuff. When his editor retired it all went downhill even worse

[tropic fulcrum]

some people have built in bullshit detectors and know when to stop

[rustic latch]

Oh yeah

[inner hare]

Some people also never finish...

[rustic latch]

I've noticed lack of it at times for certain authors

[inner hare]

https://tenor.com/view/george-game-of-thrones-george-rr-martin-lol-laughing-gif-14173633

[tropic fulcrum]

I mean rr martin has bullshit detector

[rustic latch]

Martin catching strays

[tropic fulcrum]

but yeah, never finishes

again

at least he is consistent

[rustic latch]

I dislike his work, but suum cuique

[inner hare]

Old lazy fucker

[tropic fulcrum]

I mean, lazy is debatable

his books are massive

[inner hare]

I actually love ASOIAF

Big fan

[tropic fulcrum]

I love the political intrigue

[hard tree]

I read a lot of his stuff too. Terrible character development and Mary sues

[tropic fulcrum]

my bread and butter

[rustic latch]

Imo Way of Kings was great, most stuff before and after is at best passable

[rustic latch]

||undoing 4k year old caste system took less time than dealing with Kaladin's depression||

[hard tree]

he literally undid Kaladin character development in like book 3. Just forgot the character changed

[tropic fulcrum]

he is also great at writing complex characters

[rustic latch]

See my spoilered message

yup

[inner hare]

I can talk about ASOIAF for hours, but it hurts. I know it will remain half-done. We will be stuck with show BS ending. It's over.

[rustic latch]

And I meant jsut the WoK, not later books in the series

[tropic fulcrum]

listen

half done better than shittly done

[inner hare]

But it hurts

[tropic fulcrum]

witcher books ended the same way

sadly

[inner hare]

Huh?

What?

[rustic latch]

wat?

[inner hare]

It was a good ending

[tropic fulcrum]

yeah, let's not get into that now

[inner hare]

Don't compare it with Dumb and Dumber's work

[tropic fulcrum]

well, no I am not, and I am not saying it's shit, it's like 5 out of 10 for me

again, too long and not in the mood or care to explain it

[inner hare]

Although it would be funny if you said that to the author's face. He can be very vicious with his responses in that intelligent asshole way.

[tropic fulcrum]

yeah, I don't care about upsetting people lol

[rustic latch]

He's an old curmudgeon

[tropic fulcrum]

what I care about is my time

it's not that big of a deal to care enough to explain any of it

I mean he is polish

he has that polish pride in em

[inner hare]

Witcher 3 base game's ending is pretty meh and not lore-friendly. Fortunately, DLCs are some of the best that gaming has to offer.

[inner hare]

*Polish pride

[tropic fulcrum]

I mean the games in general are very fast and loose with lore

[rustic latch]

||polska gurom||

[tropic fulcrum]

witcher 1 was pretty fan fic to me

but I treat them as their own thing

[inner hare]

Yeah but sometimes it's ok. Sapkowski mostly doesn't give a shit. They had to create their own stuff.

[tropic fulcrum]

the ending is meh because it's well documented CDPR ran out of time

they had to stitch things together

[inner hare]

White Frost is BS

Like wat

Better to forget about it

The things they did

[tropic fulcrum]

I can understand treating it as an eldritch thing but they didn't explain it at all to justify it

because they didn't intend to end it this way simple as

[inner hare]

And Eredin suxx

[hard tree]

Also Sanderson can't write women. Ok I'm done talking about him

[tropic fulcrum]

eredin is a tale of two parts

they done him fine the first half as this dangerous otherworldy elf

the second half they didn't finsh him like the rest of things

you can watch xletalis discussing stitched together early concepts and cut content

act 3 was the wild hunt act to shine

they had the caesar's legion treatment

[rustic latch]

Yeah agreed. Better than some though, on that specific front

[tropic fulcrum]

we hate women, bottom text

[rustic latch]

not even that in Sanderson case, but meh - not worth discussing

[tropic fulcrum]

I was talking about caesar's legion

and their cringe ass dialogues

clearly unfinished lol

[rustic latch]

Ah, yeah

[inner hare]

I consider them a meme faction

[tropic fulcrum]

again, like the wild hunt

two parts

at first, they are actually fine

just until you meet them proper

[inner hare]

Roman LARPers in the desert. Can't be serious.

[inner hare]

But it's Fallout. It's not a very serious game.

[tropic fulcrum]

the cut concepts for the legion make them extremely competent

again, unfinished

[inner hare]

Obsidian's games usually are

[tropic fulcrum]

obisidan like the legion and wild hunt

[inner hare]

But they have a good enough core

[tropic fulcrum]

yes I am doing this

are a tale of two parts

first they were poorer and were treated like shit, but produced unfinished kino

second, they have monetary support, they have lost all talent

a lot of things in life are like that

[rustic latch]

Fallout is very Spaceballs coded

[tropic fulcrum]

fallout 2 and bethesda yes

[inner hare]

I love Tyranny btw

[tropic fulcrum]

1 and nv are very serious and dark

[rustic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/we-aint-founbd-shit-talking-angry-gif-16340802

[tropic fulcrum]

with humor here and there

[hard tree]

Avowed was great tho

[tropic fulcrum]

the corridor leading to the master alone is kino

[rustic latch]

That reminds me. I need to play it

[inner hare]

Great game. Great soundtrack. Interesting setting.

[tropic fulcrum]

I am yet to play it

idk, everytime I start it, I lost interest

[rustic latch]

It suffered from expectations imo

it's not a tes style openworld

one needs to remember thatr

[hard tree]

I didn't know it existed until a few months ago. Went in blind and it was nice

[tropic fulcrum]

I hate avowed color palette

looks like vomit to me

[rustic latch]

I've lived through all the hype cycles since the original trailer

but when it came out - my pc couldn't run it

[native haven]

"N'Garde. Vanilla-Friendly Parry and Active Block."

[inner hare]

I don't vibe with the art style at all.

[tropic fulcrum]

it's weird

[hard tree]

I had to buy a new graphics card to run it

[tropic fulcrum]

it needs tweaking

[hard tree]

My old 1090 couldn't take it

[rustic latch]

see that number of messages? That's cause we are chilling here

[rustic latch]

What did you go with?

[tropic fulcrum]

yes this is vanilla friendly and active block discussion

[native haven]

Yeah it's funny

[tropic fulcrum]

again

two tales

morrowind start kino

towards the end, well, guess what

[inner hare]

I have 1070 😄

[tropic fulcrum]

here is the thing

and this is a serious take

[hard tree]

Rtx 5060. It's barely better than my 1090, but it can render hair

[inner hare]

Haha

[tropic fulcrum]

most great works have issues in them

[hard tree]

Avowed is good research for ngarde. Business expense

[tropic fulcrum]

it's very rare that you would find a great expansive work that's consistent from start to finish

[rustic latch]

Hold up, gurl. 1090? I was sure first time it was a typo. There was no 1090

[hard tree]

Ugh I'll look it up

[tropic fulcrum]

but I will take 1000 great works with issues in them instead of boring slop garbage

[young aspen]

I still want to play avowed, I really like the eora setting

[hard tree]

Maybe 1080?

[young aspen]

PoE1/2 were bops

[hard tree]

I'm not a hardware nerd anymore I can't keep up

[rustic latch]

that makes sense

[rustic latch]

I think 90 started with 30 series cards

[kindred imp]

🫵

[tropic fulcrum]

a lot of modern AAA games for example are competently made but are very safe and boring and don't have any bite to them.

[hard tree]

Stopped paying attention a decade ago

[rustic latch]

1080's were great tho. 1080 tis lasted people a decade easy

[native haven]

Reminds me of Ricky from FNV killing Deathjaws with his 11mm SMG

[tropic fulcrum]

a lot of the games I hold in high regards have issues to them

[kindred imp]

Never paid attention to them due to never being able to run them

[hard tree]

Yeah my husband is still using his. I had the version right below his tier

[kindred imp]

Even now I can't run them at an acceptable framerate

[rustic latch]

Good card

best investment to make in 2016

[inner hare]

They are like fast food.

[tropic fulcrum]

already mentioned witcher 3 (including all witcher games and their endings) , DAO games and their endings, and fallout new vegas even fallout 2

[rustic latch]

My 1070 is still alive and well in my Dad's PC too. That card generation was great

[tropic fulcrum]

every now and then you have kino like sekiro

not perfect but very tight

[hard tree]

It's so messed up that 10 year old hardware is still relevant

[tropic fulcrum]

sekiro the best fromsoft game has ever made

[hard tree]

Things were going at such an incredible pace for so long

[tropic fulcrum]

fast food is cheap though

[rustic latch]

Raster Performance barely gained. Instead we got RTX and DLSS

[tropic fulcrum]

this is expensive bland food

include modern DOOMs in that as well, very good games with issues in them

[native haven]

It would have been better if you had an overly large completely impractical weapon tho

[tropic fulcrum]

or gizzilion useless items

[inner hare]

Now? Not really.

[tropic fulcrum]

well

comparatively

[native haven]

I remember in Sekiro getting the BIG katana and I was so happy and then it turned out to just be a spirit emblem ability

[tropic fulcrum]

I have 4060 ti 16gb, 14700 non k non f, 32gb 6000mhz ram

[inner hare]

I mean, it inspired N'Garde, after all 🤡

[tropic fulcrum]

so it inspired kino

which is true

[native haven]

N'Garde, N'wahs Parry Twice

[tropic fulcrum]

ngarde is kino

[rustic latch]

I never played it

hence the memes

But then we got a pcgamer article about me adding "sekiro parry"

[tropic fulcrum]

you should though

[rustic latch]

One day, maybe

[tropic fulcrum]

every day is that one day

[rustic latch]

I'm playing through KCD 2 rn

for real inspirations - I'd say it's Tainted Grail and KCD

[inner hare]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-mckay-tom-kcd-tom-mckay-kcd-kingdom-come-deliverance-henry-of-skalitz-gif-181997993219534957

[tropic fulcrum]

all great games

[native haven]

I have geriatric reflexes so I had a hard time with Sekiro but I beat it

[tropic fulcrum]

the final boss though

[inner hare]

Even the 4 phase boss?

[tropic fulcrum]

kino fucking fight man

[native haven]

yea

[tropic fulcrum]

it was fucking cinematic in all the good ways

[native haven]

I can't wait for Morrowind Elden Ring Edition

[tropic fulcrum]

elden ring is another example of a good game with a lot of issues in it

[native haven]

I love sloppy 700 thousand hour long games so I love it

[inner hare]

I never considered Morrowind to be a good candidate for soulslike.

[tropic fulcrum]

until ngarde

then I changed my mind

[native haven]

If you didn't know a guy is modding Morrowind into Elden Ring, I wasn't joking

[rustic latch]

[tropic fulcrum]

I know it

inferno something

crazy guy

[tropic fulcrum]

dagoth ur plays fromsoft games

this is why he is so confident

[hard tree]

Should be adding elden ring support to openmw. He's going backwards

[native haven]

Imagine if Morrow Ring comes out before Morrowrim

[rustic latch]

[tropic fulcrum]

skywind will probably release mid to late 2027

[rustic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-evolving-just-backwards-gif-21647112

[tropic fulcrum]

they won't work on DLCs until the release of the base game

[native haven]

Every game should run through OpenMW

[hearty scroll]

This is litterally my favourite RPG ever.

[tropic fulcrum]

my favorite is

underrail

I have 2k hours in it

[native haven]

I don't like hard think games, only hard reflexes games.

[tropic fulcrum]

underrail is hard as long as you don't use your brains

it's actually very rewarding to understand the game

[native haven]

Yeah I don't like thinking

If it was up to me I wouldn't think at all

[tropic fulcrum]

styg is working on underrail infusion

it's supposed to be a smaller scale prequel but experimental

because he won't touch underrail 2 until he upgrades all the underlying systems

underrail is the definition of bang for your buck

replayability check, content check, difficulty upgrades? check

cybvep is a man of two parts, one part fast responses, the other, 10 pages

[inner hare]

It's relatively basic parry system, tough. A lot is happening behind the scenes, but it's not a soulslike. Far less action packed and dexterity-focused. Also, I don't think it vibes great with big health pools and combat that is so methodical as a soulslike. It's more like a Vanilla enhancer. Vanilla has a basic block system, but just for shields and with no player control. It represents blocking (shields) and dodging (Agility), but ignores parrying which should actually be a big part of melee combat. So here another layer is added, in a way which takes the existing systems into account.

Maybe if you disable hit chance it's more like soulslike. Dunno.

[hearty scroll]

Then there are those who write 10 pages, but send them one line at a time ^^'

[tropic fulcrum]

great snark against me, bravo

🤣

[tropic fulcrum]

that's true

I disabled hit chance on mine though

[inner hare]

Will it? I mean, Skyblivion was supposed to be done by now.

[native haven]

Nothing worse than writing a banger pin worthy message but you broke it up into multiple messages.

[hearty scroll]

It wasn't huhu. I haven't read enough from you to identify your general tendencies ^^'
It was meant as a general statement. But thank you for letting us know about your writting habits huhu

[tropic fulcrum]

I have that issue, I can't wait to share my thoughts so I keep writing one line after another

like an excited puppy

[tropic fulcrum]

that's what they told us recently

skyblivion is release candidate but buggy

I would rather they wait

[native haven]

I do not care for Oblivion.

[tropic fulcrum]

stop right there you criminal scum

[inner hare]

I like parrying because it adds another layer of defence which isn't foolproof. Far more exciting than just a large HP pool.

[tropic fulcrum]

yup

too bad later soulsborne games have discouraged parrying

[native haven]

It's like the Black Album by Metallica, it's not a bad album on its own but it's where things shifted for the worse and a lot of Bethesda's sloppy game design and mechanics started to emerge.

[tropic fulcrum]

listen

I am a glass half full kind of guy

enjoy good things when you can

[native haven]

When ES6 finally comes out in 2087 I'll still play it on my deathbed for 5 minutes before I die.

[tropic fulcrum]

that's the spirit

[inner hare]

Oblivion added parrying to TES, but it also removed hit chance and the enemies couldn't really dodge. So they went with skill lvl is dmg system and it suxx. I prefer the way MW feels.

[tropic fulcrum]

insert: there is a mod that fixes that!

[native haven]

Morrowind is cool cause you kill everything in one hit.

[tropic fulcrum]

modding is great and all, but bethesda games have become synonymous with modding.

that ain't good

[native haven]

It's better than the monotony of death by a 1000 cuts in Oblivion.

[inner hare]

Not really. Not everything. Not with everything. It's more like only low tod mid enemies when you have high lvl

[tropic fulcrum]

maybe he is talking vanilla

yes, I use a broken build how did you know?

[inner hare]

Yeah. But unless you exploit alchemy or drink 20 sujammas, 1 hit 1 kill isn't the norm.

[native haven]

Vanilla is cool because it's the easiest game you ever played until you get to the DLC and you have to fight werewolves 10x stronger than Dagoth Ur.

[tropic fulcrum]

well, you can't call yourself a morrow head until you have abused the shit out of its systems

the epxansions are fucking insane with their difficulty spike

what were they thinking

[native haven]

I guess that was the real start to Bethesda's sloppy game design.

[tropic fulcrum]

actually yes

yes

[native haven]

A precursor to Oblivion's broken level scaling.

[inner hare]

It was a response to feedback, actually 😄

[tropic fulcrum]

I see

instead of a dynamic level scaling system, they did that instead

[inner hare]

MW was too easy for experienced players and didn't have enough high lvl content. Here you go. Here is Tribunal.

It was their "fix"

[tropic fulcrum]

here is tribunal, goodbye tribunal

justice for sotha sil

that expansion needs a total rework

at least with bloodmoon they fucked off doing their own thing

[rustic latch]

It's fixed already

[tropic fulcrum]

yes, it doesn't exist anymore

we west warped it

[inner hare]

It's been 20+ years and we have a few Tribunal MQ enhancers or overhauls. I don't think any of them is considered sth that makes Tribunal feel great. TR doesn't want to change it... and we still have no real city, no exteriors. What can be done?

[hearty scroll]

when TR implements Almalexia City, your grandkids might get to experience more comprehensive mods that fix Tribunal ^^'

[tropic fulcrum]

the problem is, the main characters in tribunal were an after thought so they never intereacted well with the base game.

and it being isolated as well didn't help it either

the type of lore and characters tribunal introduced requrie more base game content

they compressed everything and shipped it that way

everything feels isolated

most of the mods that "fix" tribunal only enhance what tribunal has to offer and not to expand its influence beyond its borders

[rustic latch]

It being an afterthought sums it up nicely

[tropic fulcrum]

like they needed answers to the almalexia and sotha sil questions and shipped it in the most convenient way possible

any proper fix to tribunal has to make it part of the main game intrigue

but I agree, first add borders and land to tribunal then we can think about fixes later

or

with the destruction of the heart of lorkhan a great bullshit contrivance energy is released into the atmosphere creating the warp in the ass and completely severing the thread of sotha sil and almalexia from the lands of morrowind

[rustic latch]

lmao

[hearty scroll]

You mean fulfilling the prophecy would severe the strings of Alma and Sotha?

[tropic fulcrum]

@inner hare that's something you can make

[inner hare]

I already made my Mollython entry

[hearty scroll]

(Would you like to keep on going into this doomed world - yes please)

[tropic fulcrum]

hey, they already did it with daggerfall, they can do it with those freaks as well

[tropic fulcrum]

damn, I wish I was more quick

[inner hare]

but a lot of what you wrote makes sense, i.e. isolation is absolutely a problem (it feels off, weirdly separated from the main game) and writing doesn't do Alma any favours so yeah, it's more like a wrap up than anything. There is very little that can be done about the isolation problem until TR deals with this. Then at least we will have context. As for writing, it's quite hard because you basically you have to change a lot of Alma-related content one way or another, so it's already sth that won't be considered canonical. Many purists would reject that instantly. You also need to be a good writer because if it's not much better than base game Tribunal, you will face stern opposition. It's also why TR isn't willing to do much here, I think.

So yeah, first order of business seems to be adding Almalexia the city in order to make it feel as part of one big gaming world instead of a weird box. Then sb needs to improve the MQ Tribunal content. Side content is actually much better. Those misc quests are fine. Faction content is lacking, of course, but this is what TR will solve. MQ will still be meh, though.

so ATM I don't think that much can be done. Ok, conceptual work for Tribunal MQ improvement. The writing. You could actually do it already, but then you have to wait years before implementation or do it already but face other Tribunal limitations.

major changes to Vanilla MQ will always be controversial

TR is fan fiction (in the good sense of that word), but they are not really changing Vanilla. They are adding stuff which wasn't there in the first place. That's both harder and easier. Harder, as you need to come up with a lot of good stuff. Easier, as you have lesser problems with canon when you add stuff instead of changing/replacing existing narrative content.

[hearty scroll]

The critics I've heard of Tribunal MQ was that it was basically just going back and forth through the same sewers and was repetitive.
I'm guessing just expanding the setting and variety in enemies & locations would be a first step to improve it that wouldn't require extensive writing changes. Probably wouldn't be perfect, but at least something that could realistically be expected from the modding community.

[inner hare]

yeah and that may happen when it's a city with exteriors and tons of other stuff to do which you will interact with during natural gameplay

so that's doable