Skyrim is fantasy, yes
But like
Comparing it to the rest of Tamriel
#N'Garde. Vanilla-Friendly Parry and Active Block.
tough juniper
its all about the same
inner hare
High Rock resembles standard medieval fantasy the most.
but none of this is "low" fantasy
as it's not Tamriel at all
Tamriel is very magic-heavy
tough juniper
black marsh and morrowind are a bit wierder but its all heavy fantasy
inner hare
black marsh and morrowind are a bit wierder but its all heavy fantasy
Valenwood has walking cities
iron lance
High Rock resembles standard medieval fantasy the most.
They have a lot of stuff though
Fairies and all that
It's more about Arthurian folklore, and if you know Arthurian folklore, you know this shit can get weird and whimsical
Skyrim is Scandinavian folklore
Which is admittedly weirder
But it focus more on the lesser weird stuff
inner hare
meh, I think it's more about what you are used to
tough juniper
skyrim the province was wierd and whimsical, skyrim the game was grounded
toxic dagger
High Rock resembles standard medieval fantasy the most.
See, this annoys me, Because they ended up giving the European Medieval vibe to Cyrodiil instead in TES4 for some unknown reason
They could have kept that for High Rock
iron lance
skyrim the province was wierd and whimsical, skyrim the game was grounded
Was it though? The province I mean
Skyrim never stroke me as super whimsical in the books
Even their tales were more grounded
inner hare
skyrim the province was wierd and whimsical, skyrim the game was grounded
they sort of tried to make it more like Game of Thrones. Northern vibes, those giants and mammoths, semi-grounded take but with dragons. Of course, they had none of the writing 
tough juniper
yeah they had loads of wierd stuff
iron lance
yeah they had loads of wierd stuff
Everything has a load of weird stuff in Post Kirkbride Elder Scrolls
inner hare
that's the best TES
iron lance
How much weird stuff is what is the value here
tough juniper
how do count wierd stuff
iron lance
And Skyrim? Has the least amount of weird stuff of them all
iron lance
how do count wierd stuff
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
inner hare
And Skyrim? Has the least amount of weird stuff of them all
so how is TES5 less weird than TES4?
tough juniper
And Skyrim? Has the least amount of weird stuff of them all
its not an objective truth
iron lance
so how is TES5 less weird than TES4?
Have you seem how the npcs look in TES4?
iron lance
Honestly, Cyrodil nowadays is pretty weird
iron lance
It feels like they want to go back to old lore, but can't because of modern lore
iron lance
No
inner hare
yeah
iron lance
I meant just the writing
inner hare
so they don't have to do anything
iron lance
They won't go back there, probably
inner hare
they won't, although one Dragon Break more wouldn't make a difference 
iron lance
who wants that?
Some books really flirt with the Jungle Cyrodil stuff
Aggressively
iron lance
I don't think they will tbh
inner hare
Akatosh's breath is cold, Ayle
iron lance
Nu uh
It's gold
Because he is golden in TES4
Talking about it
I kinda like the main quest
The boring European scenario is shit
But the main quest is really fun, especially how much of a secondary mc we are (We still are the big guy, but we also have another big guy by our side)
inner hare
Talking about it
I kinda like the main quest
I don't because it's all focused on the grind and the game force-feeds you the MQ. It's very stupid what they did here.
doesn't fit the game at all
TES, I mean
iron lance
Eeeeh
One can argue Morrowind also throws you into the main quest
Oblivion is just more dramatic about it
You can ignore the main quest if you want
Having the Amulet in the inventory is quite annoying though
inner hare
it's a bit better in Skyrim, i.e. easier to ignore the MQ without it being weird. In fact, my best Skyrim experience was when I ignored the MQ entirely. If you don't do anything, dragons never spawn. Perfect.
inner hare
One can argue Morrowind also throws you into the main quest
Oblivion is just mo...
MW and OB are nowhere even close, lol
iron lance
it's a bit better in Skyrim, i.e. easier to ignore the MQ without it being weird...
Alduin patiently waiting for you to absorb a soul so he can start the invasion
But you never came for him : ( poor Alduin
iron lance
We did it
inner hare
and you do what you want
iron lance
We won Skyrim
iron lance
best way to experience Skyrim for me
Best way to experience any Elder Scrolls really
inner hare
you can do hunting, misc quests etc.
candid wren
Wrong place to ask but is there a valenwood mod for morrowind…ik there one for oblivion
inner hare
and no dragons everywhere
iron lance
you can do hunting, misc quests etc.
Become a furry
inner hare
Wrong place to ask but is there a valenwood mod for morrowind…ik there one for o...
it's part of Project Tamriel but I don't think much has been done
candid wren
Awwww
inner hare
Skyrim, Cyrodiil, High Rock and Hammerfell are definitely in active development
with notable progress
iron lance
and no dragons everywhere
They really made dragons annoying, ngl
iron lance
Skyrim, Cyrodiil, High Rock and Hammerfell are definitely in active development
Only human provinces, huh..?
TES fans never beating the allegations
Speaking off
Bruh, I met a guy on a YouTube comment section that deadass thought every mer was like the Thalmor
rustic latch
iron lance
Ulric's greatest soldier right there
inner hare
Only human provinces, huh..?
TES fans never beating the allegations
WIP Hammerfell stuff looks so nice
and the best part is that it neighbours Cyrodiil so no Void between the provinces
continuous landmass
simple bone
God these exteriors look sexy
simple bone
Yeee
inner hare
it will look even better in game
simple bone
In game with shaders will look insane
kindred imp
WIP Hammerfell stuff looks so nice
tr knows their vibes
iron lance
What shaders do you guys use btw?
kindred imp
I wonder how cross-province PT will work
kindred imp
What shaders do you guys use btw?
uhhhhhh
all of them?
inner hare
tr knows their vibes
iron lance
I wonder how cross-province PT will work
Why it wouldn't? It's just a matter of time
kindred imp
iron lance
uhhhhhh
all of them?
Bro likes playing Morrowind: Flashbang edition
kindred imp
Why it wouldn't? It's just a matter of time
Because you wouldn't be able to add cross-province content like quests without adding a third mod into the equation
dependencies and stuff
iron lance
Because you wouldn't be able to add cross-province content like quests without a...
And a third mod would be bad because..?
I mean
Isn't Tamriel_Data already the third mod in the equation?
kindred imp
because you'd need either a mod for every combination of provinces or one master for all the provinces at the same time
iron lance
Or would it be the first mod of the equation..?
kindred imp
I mean
Isn't Tamriel_Data already the third mod in the equation?
it's only the asset repository. It's a requirement for landmasses, not the other way around
iron lance
it's only the asset repository. It's a requirement for landmasses, not the other...
Potato potato
inner hare
kindred imp
because you'd need either a mod for every combination of provinces or one master...
like this
kindred imp
I'm curious about the technical part of the problem 🧐
inner hare
I'm curious about the technical part of the problem 🧐
Separate releases, redos etc.
cinder gulch
Keep in mind that each of those mods also add on their own assets too, so you’ll find things that exist in TR_Mainland.esm that aren’t in the PC esm
inner hare
Maybe they will be redoing Narsis in a few years 😅
I'm very excited by Hammerfell btw. Deserts can look nice without demolishing performance and I doubt that TES6's version of the province will be more intriguing than PT's
tough juniper
it would be cool to see some big cross continent quests when they start to connect
tough juniper
yeah this kind of thing is very enticing, they have a lot of ways they can take it
inner hare
it would be cool to see some big cross continent quests when they start to conne...
Yeah. Even now cross-province stuff can be done but you need to stick to fast travel. It would be cool to get some high effort modathon cross-province quests 🤯 .
Oh, this is still N'Garde channel...
cyan reef
WIP Hammerfell stuff looks so nice
Oooh,I think that's Ethiopian architecture?
It looks good.
iron lance
Proto-Imperials, Bretons, Reachfolk and maybe Nords..? (Proto-nords are atmorans, yes, but some sources talk like they are one and the same, but also not really, it's weird, maybe what they mean is that the Nedes mixed with Atmorans, creating Nords, but.. It's not well documented, like everything that matters in the damn lore...)
inner hare
It looks *good.*
Sure does. I think that we will be eating good here.
High Rock stuff looks fun as well. Sometimes I can't believe that this is actually being done, lol.
cyan reef
Tamriel Rebuilt's original goal was all of Tamriel in Morrowind. They realized that it was way too big for a single team,so they scaled back to mainland Morrowind,and launched Project Tamriel for other teams to get involved in.
And the result? We're able to go from the Padomaic to the Abaccean!
The Bretons of High Rock are basically the Gauls. A combination of the Franks and Celts.
I hope they get into that.
young aspen
TR and PT are so cool
somber quail
As a series long Breton Enjoyer, I am really looking forward to getting immersed in the lore. The stuff in the Wikis is kind of dry.
young aspen
The modders are so interesting and smart
Especially the interior devs
Handsome too
young aspen
Heldorn is purty, I’m really excited for HR
Markarth will be the first release I’ve actually got a couple ints
PS I’ve got like, one little house - and maybe a small cave if I can finish it soon 😅
inner hare
Heldorn is purty, I’m really excited for HR
The prospect of having a continuous landmass between Skyrim-Hammerfell-Cyrodiil-High Rock (even if unfinished) in some years makes me hyped.
young aspen
The PT blob 🫀
tough juniper
gallimaufry 
cyan reef
And because Cyrodiil is in the middle of it all,it's one contiguous landmass.
But *man,*I really wanna see Valenwood and Elswyr.
misty phoenix
I'd really like to see PT's vision of Alinor too
cyan reef
Besides, "Kill trespassers on sight with overwhelmingly powerful magical deathrays from LEO?"
misty phoenix
I think they're pretty good at achieving the balance between the weird but cool and the outright ridiculous
cyan reef
That's the vibe I get from Alinor based on lore. The Psijics take their isolation seriously.
misty phoenix
A lot of fan interpretations of the lore are just kinda silly
young aspen
the summerset channel has some stuff in it
LilianaUnfolded is very talented and has made a bunch of assets + there's a fair few concepts
misty phoenix
When the trees start speaking Bosmeri... use napalm.
I like how often this channel goes off-topic
cyan reef
Would you rather I use Agent Orange?
rustic latch
I like how often this channel goes off-topic
I would like more mod feedback. But - it's either it's good and there's nothing to say, or ya'll don't play the game and just switpost here. I know I'm mostly in the latter camp 
misty phoenix
To be honest, it's been a couple months since I don't focus on actually playing through the game. Recently, I've only been testing mods, as I haven't had much time to play. The one I tested the most was problably N'Garde, but I still haven't played a whole lot with it. I've picked up some fights with my level ~28 character with multiple enemies on places with mid to high level enemies, and I really liked the balance
rustic latch
Nah, it's cool. I just worry I fucked up somewhere and don't know
misty phoenix
I've read some messages about changing the perfect parry window. I honestly haven't played enough to have strong opinions about that. What I've noticed is that, compared to other games that emphasize active block mechanics, the enemies attacks don't have a lot of telegraphing. Not really a problem, in my opinion, just something I've noticed
drowsy rain
got to say, the miss animations playing when someone's at negative fatigue is really funny
rustic latch
got to say, the miss animations playing when someone's at negative fatigue is re...
There it is
drowsy rain
I think I'm a version behind though
rustic latch
I was just about to type that I'm surprised there wasn't more bugs, cause it was a big update
drowsy rain
1.2.1, I believe
downloaded yesterday, installed
suffice it to say, I was like '???????' when enemies stood up with a jolt while unconscious to dodge a swing only to immediately faceplant again
rustic latch
lmao
how are you missing on a knocked out target is another question
let me fix that
drowsy rain
that's vanilla behavior
I was using a shitty weapon with no skill in it
being unconscious is just like, 0ed agility I think
drowsy rain
let me dig. I think it's 1.5x damage and enemy agility = 0, but I haven't seen the formula in YEARS
unaware = (not defender.inCombat) and attacker is player and (not defender.isAware(player)) # see comments
if not (defender.isKnockedDown or defender.isParalyzed or unaware):
defenseTerm = (0.2 * defender.agility + 0.1 * defender.luck) * defender.fatigueTerm
defenseTerm += min(100, defender.sanctuary)```as for the mod itself, I quite enjoy it. in the midgame (or early, if you take block major or raise it aggressively early on) it's noticeably stronger than vanilla. I play with a very weird setup so it's not breaking the game cause it's mostly harder, but eh
if I had a mechanical complaint and not a funny bug, I think skill XP for blocking with a weapon should be split between the weapon and block
rustic latch
if I had a *mechanical* complaint and not a funny bug, I think skill XP for bloc...
it is
drowsy rain
it is? man, I must be unlucky as hell, cause i have not seen a block skillup from blocking without a shield
rustic latch
as for the mod itself, I quite enjoy it. in the midgame (or early, if you take ...
That with a shield? Cause block on its own won't get you far
covert robin
the thing where you hold the charge attack then block and then release your attack is know right?
rustic latch
it is? man, I must be unlucky as hell, cause i have not seen a block skillup fr...
try timing your blocks closer to perfect for more skill gain.
drowsy rain
but yeah, as I was saying, there was a mod that did some of the same stuff awhile back, and it was horrendously broken and favored marksman because marksman can't block
rustic latch
the thing where you hold the charge attack then block and then release your atta...
?
drowsy rain
try timing your blocks closer to perfect for more skill gain.
I have the timing down almost perfectly for H2H and I don't think I've ever seen it go to block
rustic latch
the thing where you hold the charge attack then block and then release your atta...
Ah, I see what you mean. Yeah, I need to doublecheck somethoung about how I check active animations for "is attacking" and "is staggered"
rustic latch
I have the timing down almost perfectly for H2H and I don't think I've ever seen...
oh, h2h doesn't use block skill
it's h2h twice
rustic latch
for main/secondary
block/block for shields,
weapon/block for weapons
h2h/h2h for unarmed
rustic latch
the thing where you hold the charge attack then block and then release your atta...
To confirm - you mean:
1.Charge an attack
2. Hold down the parry key
3. Release the attack - it hits the enemy and switches you into parry stance immediately
drowsy rain
also works for spellcasting with the quickcast mod i believe
but that's a mod interaction, not really your fault
rustic latch
Right. So jumping up for dodge animations fixed. I'll look into why isPlaying is not returning correct values for stagger, and apparently attack animations
covert robin
yes, i was expecting the parry to cancel your attack
rustic latch
It's a bit tricky
we can't really cancel the attack right now
once you held down lmb - the attack will happen
no matter what I do
hence - It should prevent you from parrying while attack animation is playing or almost done playing
but it seems there is some weirdness going on
I need to check some stuff
yah
this is the intended behaviour, or near enough
rustic latch
Ok. Got it in a better shape - feels better than what is on the video above
rustic latch
To confirm - you mean:
1.Charge an attack
2. Hold down the parry key
3. Release ...
but doesn't do this
So the attack now reaches the "hit" key before switching into parry
feels more natural
covert robin
while it's a bit frustrating to hear that attack cancels aren't possible, that's a quite an acceptable solution
rustic latch
Unfortunately nothing I can do to make attack cancelling possible right now - once 'use' action is pressed (the LMB) - the attack will happen no matter what, whether we switch use back to 0, or cancel the animation ,or whatever else
lua side - what is exposed to us
switching use to 0 means "releasing" the swing
so yeah
and can't really communicate to the target (where onHit happens) that this specific attack was canceled, in time
so even if I cancel the SFX, the animation and everything else on player side - the damage will still reach the target if there's one in range
rustic latch
while it's a bit frustrating to hear that attack cancels aren't possible, that's...
And thank you for reporting it. This was the intended behaviour before 1.0 - it broke at some point and I never noticed cause I don't tend to press parry key while chargin the attack
covert robin
hypothetically could someone do the attack logic in lua?
rustic latch
Hypothetically yes - but it will be clunky with what we have available right now
At least that is my understanding
young aspen
I spun up my character with https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/47452 and seem incapable of taking weapon damage - it looks like maybe there's some extra data missing that works with NCG/Skill Evo?
rustic latch
🤨 get me your openmw.log please
when SE is installed I hook into Mym's onHitHnadler, but when it's not it should go through vanilla one
rustic latch
young aspen
[23:08:21.161 E] L@0x1[scripts/omw/combat/interface.lua] eventHandler[Hit] failed. Lua error: [string "scripts/mule/skills.lua"]:144: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value
this looks like maybe the problem though
rustic latch
[23:08:09.496 E] L@0x1[scripts/omw/combat/interface.lua] eventHandler[Hit] failed. Lua error: [string "scripts/mule/skills.lua"]:144: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value
[23:08:09.496 E] stack traceback:
looks like mule doesn't know what to do when we pass scale but not skillGain
it's not implemented correctly
I'd say
options.skillGain = options.skillGain * mS.expStorage:get(key) / 100
yup
MULE bug
young aspen
I'll leave a nexus comment and maybe poke mort about it
rustic latch
Specifically
skillUsed options may include either skillGain or scale
he only expects skillGain
Now - why you don't take any damage, cause it fails in "process parry" and that screws up the onhit handler chain
should still take damage when you're not parrying though, as that part is bypassed then
young aspen
hmm, I was just letting it wail on me to no effect even without parry
rustic latch
Hmmm. Weird it should not enter processParry then
your install is cursed in other ways too
just by looking at that log
so not really sure what else may be happening
I see you got third-person-alt-attacks installed but no re-animation
whatever is happening to potion thrower
Fascinating!
in the meantime
I think I can guard against it, somewhat on my end
rustic latch
is it loaded before 3rd person alt-attacks?
young aspen
that is a good question
rustic latch
I was about to post an update to fix stuff mentioned above. I can add a pcall for skillUse, so that even if skill handlers downstream crap out - n'garde will still work, you just won't get any xp
young aspen
thanks for the help
rustic latch
1.2.2
bugfix update:
- miss feedback animations no longer play on staggered, or knocked down (or paralyzed) enemies
- holding down the parry key while charging an attack no longer causes the attack animation to cancel while still dealing damage. Intended behaviour restored - attack animation will play until the "hit" key, and then parry animation will start playing.
- if downstream skillUsed handlers fail (MULE does right now, cause it expects skillGain and not scale). N'Garde should not fail the onHit handler chain anymore
pastel vine
Ty
rustic latch
thanks for the help
You're welcome
@covert robin , @drowsy rain bugs you've reported also fixed
rustic latch
thanks for the help
and if you test new n'garde update before MULE updates - do let me know if it worked, please
drowsy rain
Excellent! Thank you
real onyx
I was testing Spellsword mod update on Mages Guild residents and managed to bug out Ajira:
looks like she died from magic effect while doidging my atack?
inner hare
I saw weird bugs with death anims of Khajiit and Argonians a couple of times when playing EV without N'Garde. No idea what causes it.
eager crane
what could be the reason for the yellow triangle?
real onyx
stats window?
inner hare
what could be the reason for the yellow triangle?
You have NCG?
eager crane
nope
inner hare
...
eager crane
ah
inner hare
Then you have the answer 😄
inner hare
It's optional btw. Turn it off if you don't use NCG.
eager crane
right, I deleted it
wet tendon
all these screenshots and videos people are sending and I haven't seen one circular minimap yet 🤔
tough juniper
all these screenshots and videos people are sending and I haven't seen one circu...
Afaik changing the shape of the minimap like that would be very cursed and hard to do, possibly would need to do it with expensive post processing. I might be wrong since newer version but there's still a lot of UI and map that needs dehardcoding
wet tendon
no it's not
i got the circle drawn, just got the transparency backwards, once i fix that it should work
I couldn't find anything regarding gui shaders, so that seemed out of the question, used a mask instead
rustic latch
all these screenshots and videos people are sending and I haven't seen one circu...
I've seen a circle on ralts' screeshots. No idea which he is using though
rustic latch
Read down from this report by Mym
rustic latch
I couldn't find anything regarding gui shaders, so that seemed out of the questi...
One can use shaders to draw a gui. Some mods do. Some are more scuffed than others
rustic latch
Hide the mod. Quickly!
And it's 151 by the time I woke up
rustic latch
🤨
Anyone else seeing this on the mod's page?
simple bone
👍
rustic latch
tf
toxic dagger
Your mod is so popular that Nexus is nerfing it
hearty scroll
What are "CDN servers"?
rustic latch
"Content Delivery Network" servers
the servers they use to host and deliver files for download to users
well, I did email support, so we'll see
hearty scroll
What does this mean? Wasn't it already there, when you uploaded it?
rustic latch
It means that they've fucked up somewhere
for a file this small upload to CDN should be immediate,
and since it reports a bunch of downloads - it has been uploaded successfully
but then something went wrong
we back:
wet tendon
One can use shaders to draw a gui. Some mods do. Some are more scuffed than othe...
has anyone tried it? I couldn't find anything
rustic latch
Hold up a sec
Iirc this one does stuff
And Max in general was trying to do stuff with it
there were other WIPs
Iirc - he has mentioned relatively recently that he's now "on a sabbatical", so not sure how reachable he is, though
kindred imp
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/56584?tab=files
iirc his UI is broken as of the latest update
real onyx
iirc his UI is broken as of the latest update <:todd:559828333823787008>
Broken how? I'm using it currently and it seems to work fine...
iron lance
Same for me
kindred imp
idk, I don't see the healthbar at all
iron lance
Do you have the shaders active in the settings?
kindred imp
ofc
iron lance
The Health bar is a post processing effect
Hmmm
Then it's probably something in the settings you have
Try resetting the mod config
candid wren
I’m not on my laptop but I think it’s the hpWidget shader
kindred imp
it is
kindred imp
Try resetting the mod config
maybe I should, didn't try it yet
inner hare
Iirc - he has mentioned relatively recently that he's now "on a sabbatical", so ...
MW modding energy drain power in action 😫
pastel vine
It didn't work for me at first but I had to reload Lua for it as well
kindred imp
Try resetting the mod config
Tried it. Seems like the shader straight up doesn't enable for me 
inner hare
Tried it. Seems like the shader straight up doesn't enable for me <:scarytodd:13...
You can check the modlist for all the incompatibilities...
One by one....
kindred imp
Fuck
For whatever reason it is dependent on a different setting from a different mod by him
hard tree
I do that sometimes with copy paste errors
pastel vine
For whatever reason it is dependent on a different setting from a different mod ...
Ohhh well I do have that one installed haha
kindred imp
I did have it too. I just disabled that setting 💀
uncut sun
huh... guess you were right
rustic latch
huh... guess you were right
Congratulations!
uncut sun
i don't really care honestly
rustic latch
Eh. Still
uncut sun
they didn't even put my mod on the trending tab
rustic latch
That's counted by endorsements over the past week I think.
rustic latch
they didn't even put my mod on the trending tab
What's your nexus profile, btw?
somber quail
huh... guess you were right
Mazel tov!
eager crane
Just saying that new dodge animations are so much fun
so, when is shield bash going to be included?
rustic latch
Do you have a good idea on what it would do?
Cause I couldn't come up with anything that would be distinct and useful
Hence it's shelved for now
Offsensive stagger - maybe? Not even sure
Another source of stagger seems meh
breaking guard is also weird, cause NPC never hold guard up for long enough for it to be anything
knockback? I dunno
Basically until I/we come up with something that "clicks" for me - it's on the backburner
Making it "another attack" like in skyrim is also kinda ass
pastel vine
Stagger and knockdown/back definitely seem like interesting approach
Maybe even a silence?
inner hare
huh... guess you were right
btw does having 20k, 50k, 100k etc. downloads provide money to the modders or is it just about recognition? Never really checked how that works.
rustic latch
Stagger and knockdown/back definitely seem like interesting approach
Knockdown seems too strong. Slight knockback to get space may be a better idea
rustic latch
btw does having 20k, 50k, 100k etc. downloads provide money to the modders or is...
Apparently so, but I've no concept on how it correlates
inner hare
Knockdown seems too strong. Slight knockback to get space may be a better idea
not sure how useful knockback would be. 1H weapons don't have high reach, so increasing space between you and your opoonent doesn't really provide a tangible benefit. It would only be useful if you wanted to run.
rustic latch
not sure how useful knockback would be. 1H weapons don't have high reach, so inc...
Or need to get space in 1vN
🤷♂️
inner hare
when does that happen, exactly?
rustic latch
And that's exactly why I didn't do anything with shieldbash yet
inner hare
largely superfluous
uncut sun
btw does having 20k, 50k, 100k etc. downloads provide money to the modders or is...
Idk man. I am not the person to ask
tough juniper
btw does having 20k, 50k, 100k etc. downloads provide money to the modders or is...
You just get free premium for the first few
inner hare
ah, ok, so easier umo modlist installs 😄
tough juniper
There's something called donation points that I think are automatic based on unique dl but no idea what they do
inner hare
I don't even know what that is
tough juniper
ah, ok, so easier umo modlist installs 😄
Yeah Lol big woop. Idk I felt pretty good about it just because it means a lot of people are digging my stuff and having fun
inner hare
yeah, I'm just curious because of all the controversies regarding the Creation Club
inner hare
nice easy subject that can be discussed over coffee 
somber quail
That movie also has one of my favorite New England-isms of all time "You cain't get thar from heah!".
(You can't get there from here)
iron lance
huh... guess you were right
Bro this shit would scare the ass off me
Why is it so orange 💀
This type of layout should be for when you get a suspension or an warning, not an achievement
somber quail
They have your location. Run.
hearty scroll
Or need to get space in 1vN
Or need space to heal yourself or use any spell, or charge your next attack and hit before the ennemy can raise their guard again
pastel vine
Knockdown seems too strong. Slight knockback to get space may be a better idea
Very true, I agree
fickle crown
ah, ok, so easier umo modlist installs 😄
Offtopic, but I've seen that term been said around, is UMO a mod manager like MO2? And if yes, why use it instead of MO2?
young aspen
UMO can also download lists
although if you don't have nexus premium you need to click a lot
rustic latch
UMO is built specifically for momw modlists pipeline
iirc
it ships a neat executable that can do modlist download and configuration
young aspen
it's very convenient if you just want to load up one of the modlists
although I wish there was a simple gui instead of all terminal
young aspen
oh man that looks sweet
river sluice
Do you have a good idea on what it would do?
Fatigue damage/drain for opponent.
Status effect - sound (ringing in ears)
rustic latch
Fatigue damage/drain for opponent.
Status effect - sound (ringing in ears)
Hmmmmm, that's actually interesting
river sluice
Bash those mages!
rustic latch
Bash those mages!
young aspen
Still need the almighty kick
somber quail
I think ear ringing feedback might be a bit, unwelcome for some people.
Same thing with on hit blur shaders. It's either perfect or maddening.
somber quail
What I'm envisioning feels a bit 'call of duty' and that may be seen as ridiculous by people acknowledging that this doesn't even exist yet.
hard tree
No hard dependency on shaders please
rustic latch
No hard dependency on shaders please
Never planned anything like that
what I would even use shaders for?
hard tree
fnord was talking about them 🤷♀️
rustic latch
Ah, yeah, think that was just an example of what usually ends up weird
Not doing that
Certain modern action rpg tropes I find infuriating and the modern idea of "combat feedback" is one of those
Now I have a questions. A few people complained about not beign able to assign left trigger to parry. That seems to be an input binding limitation
Does anyone here play on a controller? How important is it for you to be able to parry with a left trigger?
@hard tree , I know you are a controller afficionado, any input?
tough juniper
i don't play on controller usually but it would be how i would want it set up, it makes the most sense if you attack with right trigger
rustic latch
That's fair
candid wren
I use controller but have the hotkey button set to hold on my x using steam input
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58576?tab=description when the character is knocked out they still parry and do the evasion animation when called then lay back down
rustic latch
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58576?tab=description when the characte...
Hmmm? On latest version? Shouldn't be happening - knockout/down is in the lisr of animations I check for stagger
candid wren
I’ll see if it’s a load order issue
rustic latch
I'll test in 30 minutes or so when i get back to my pc
candid wren
Ok
hard tree
<@224334476715622401> , I know you are a controller afficionado, any input?
No preference here
rustic latch
No preference here
No preference cause you don't play with n'garde, or that parry input on the controller doesn't matter much?
hearty scroll
Does anyone here play on a controller? How important is it for you to be able to...
I asked a friend who is currently playing N'Garde with mouse but who is often a controller user in general, and he said he would likely want to assign it to left shoulder (before I even told him about the left trigger problem)
rustic latch
I asked a friend who is currently playing N'Garde with mouse but who is often a ...
Shoulder works as is, but good input, thank you
rustic latch
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58576?tab=description when the characte...
Tae, which version of N'Garde are you on?
And how do you even tell that they still parry. Fargoth certainly didn't seem to try, and then died in one hit
rustic latch
yeah, something is very wrong whn GKO is installed
any NPC that was knocked out, or killed and then resurrected gets superpowers
candid wren
1.2.2
rustic latch
ok. Let me test more - something is very wrong
candid wren
Yea it happened again with gothic set before N’Garde
drowsy rain
I did not run that mod, so
rustic latch
I did not run that mod, so
yah, no. it very much doesn't happen without GKO. Just tested
drowsy rain
I mean before you fixed it yesterday
rustic latch
ah, that one yeah
drowsy rain
It was really funny at least
rustic latch
but I thought you were just getting miss animations?
what I did would fix both, but I didn't observe the other issue for sure, even before the fix
drowsy rain
Was definitely bouncing off of blocking enemies who were out cold if I hit them head on
somber quail
Does anyone here play on a controller? How important is it for you to be able to...
This game is far too piano for a controller IMO, but having the option to rebind things to whatever is always very good to have. People can lose fingers or have reduced/partial mobility.
rustic latch
That's fair
rustic latch
Ugh. I think I've fixed whatever needs to be fixed to make GKO work
Really struggling to repro even without those changes though
cyan reef
Gothic?
"The kingdom of Myrtana,united by King Rhobar II. During the long years of his reign,he was able to defeat all foes of his realm. All except one."
candid wren
I’ve a short term solution until a fix rolls out I’m just using the blunt weapons only setting in gothic
rustic latch
that's fair. Something weird is still going on with resurrect actors
so troubleshooting
rustic latch
O_o. I think we good
some more testing and update will go up
If I have energy I'll also try and put in cotroller teigger support though
hearty scroll
Just noticed that N'Garde is in the top 10 endorsements over the past year
hearty scroll
Ralts is collecting them it seems huhu
rustic latch
cinder gulch
Damn, good company there:
and 8/10 OMW <:doitswit:561465241435897856>
What is this for ?
rustic latch
I've been told this:
#1482416741077356692 message
and that's the top 10 over past year
waxen cliffBOT
rustic latch
Good Morning, I guess? :P
cinder gulch
Nice
rustic latch
Meanwhile:
Billie, while you're here.
Mind assisting me with the french l10n?
controller_trigger_desc: "Controller Triggers cannot be assigned to input binding above at this time. If you want to use a trigger to parry select one here"
trigger_sensitivity_name: "Trigger sensitivity"
trigger_sensitivity_desc: "How far the trigger has to be pressed for the parry to register"```What do you mean by "input binding above" ?
rustic latch
literally above
hearty scroll
above what?
hearty scroll
Oh, right. Cheers
rustic latch
🤜 🤛
hearty scroll
@rustic latch
`controller_trigger_name: "Gachette de manette"
controller_trigger_desc: "Pour le moment, les gachettes de manette ne peuvent pas être configurées ci-dessus. Si vous jouez à la manette et voulez utiliser une gachette comme bouton de parade, sélectionnez-la ici"
trigger_sensitivity_name: "Sensibilité de gachette"
trigger_sensitivity_desc: "A quel point il faut appuyer sur la gachette pour déclencher une parade"`
rustic latch
Thank you!
Semaro is probably asleep. But @maiden tangle, if you have time/inspiration - would greatly appreciate an assist for German localisation
iron lance
Hey Arrean
rustic latch
(this btw is now why I'm trying to avoid adding new settings :D)
rustic latch
Hey Arrean
?
iron lance
Turns out the miss exp mod from yesterday doesn't works with N'garde Glacing Blows.. So.. Any chances of muh 20% exp for 20% damage? 👉👈 Pwetty pweeeease?
iron lance
The modder says it doesn't
rustic latch
On the mod page?
iron lance
Yeh
rustic latch
They are around here somewhere - after it was published it I've told them about the load order. I'm betting they just didn't update the description, may not have had time to test
iron lance
Hmm
rustic latch
@quick obsidian , any input?
iron lance
If you say so, I will believe you
rustic latch
Try it -Ender is not doing anything silly in their onhit handler, so it should just work. You will get the exp before the ngarde handlers even fire
iron lance
Hopefully it also works with Skill Evolution -w-
rustic latch
Do you have recent skill evolution (1.9.8 or higher?) then it should
iron lance
Try it -Ender is not doing anything silly in their onhit handler, so it should j...
How can I check those things? I know how to handle esps, but omwaddons and omwscripts are a damn mystery to me
rustic latch
omwaddon is just an esp by a different name
omwscripts is just a text file that lets the game know which scripts to load
load order works the same as elsewhere
last loaded - takes precedence
iron lance
God damn it, I should have known
rustic latch
For Miss XP specifically - make sure that my omwscript is loaded before missxp
so that missxp onHit Handler resolves first
rustic latch
👍
iron lance
rustic latch
Bleugh. I give up. I don't understand OMW controller handling, or generally.
All checks pass, rising edge input is detected. All is good - but if left trigger is held down parry animation doesn't play. 
1.2.3
- Fixed attach/detach bug made visible by Gothic Style Knockout
- fatigue less than zero now considered a stagger state, as an additional fallback check on top of checking knockout animation
- performance improvements - fewer calls to actor stats to get skill/attribute and health/fatigue values
@candid wren , let me know if this helps with GKO
somber quail
Gothic style knockout is interesting. Don't tell the fans that getting knocked out for extended periods usually leads to serious brain damage, coma and death, lol.
Not as heroic seeming.
rustic latch
Eh. It's not necessarily "lights out over the head". But disabling instead of killing is a good option to have
somber quail
It's a good option and it's all fantasy I suppose. Deciding where to draw the line with 'realism' can get absurd.
tough juniper
its better than murder, surely
quick obsidian
<@191232003717201920> , any input?
haven't gotten around to try it nor updating the description lol
somber quail
its better than murder, surely
MMMM.... consequentially speaking it may be burdening his family with a vegetable for one.
People come out of long periods of brain anoxia with severe impairments.
tough juniper
Personally I wouldn't trade any of my concussions for lethal stabbing 🤷
somber quail
Brain trauma also causes long term trends towards executive dysfunction and tendency towards violence, cruelty and impulsivity
Concussions are not the same. Were talking knocked out. Brain stem calling it a night and locking your CNS into error protection fault mode.
tough juniper
No your not getting my point
Or ignoring it
Its not important anyway
All true points and important information
copper raft
Does anyone else have issues with perfect parrying not playing the right sound?
As in, it just plays the same sound as normal parrying
candid wren
<@989255394549448714> , let me know if this helps with GKO
bout to test inna bit
candid wren
<@989255394549448714> , let me know if this helps with GKO
No hiccups like before thanks
inner hare
Meanwhile:
Oh, gamepad support? 😏
maiden tangle
Semaro is probably asleep. But <@776157039642279947>, if you have time/inspirati...
Sure, as always, I'm gladly contributing. 💪
And don't hesitate to implement new features just because you'd need translations be made for those too haha
Of course this is the only reason.
Btw, I think for those small details, some translations need to be made too
And it seems that you missed implementing my german translation for this bit of description. The one where I used the discused word Tänzeln 😉
maiden tangle
There you go:
controller_trigger_name: "Controller-Abzug-Zuweisung“
controller_trigger_desc: "Controller-Abzüge können derzeit nicht der oben genannten Tastenbindung zugewiesen werden. Wenn ein Trigger zum Parieren verwendet werden soll, wähle diesen stattdessen hier aus.“
trigger_sensitivity_name: "Abzugsempfindlichkeit“
trigger_sensitivity_desc: "Legt fest, wie weit der Abzug gedrückt werden muss, damit das Parieren registriert wird.“
rustic latch
And it seems that you missed implementing my german translation for this bit of ...
Ah. Thank you for pointing it out. It's actually the „" quotes that tripped it up
rustic latch
There you go:
controller_trigger_name: "Controller-Abzug-Zuweisung“
controller_...
And thank you very much for this. Adding
rustic latch
Does anyone else have issues with perfect parrying not playing the right sound?
The opponent still gets staggered? What weapon type?
rustic latch
Does anyone else have issues with perfect parrying not playing the right sound?
And are you using that parry sound replacer of yours?
rustic latch
Btw, I think for those small details, some translations need to be made too
For those it's a bit trickier. But I guess yeah,
maiden tangle
For those it's a bit trickier. But I guess yeah,
It's alright how it is I think if it would be too much of a hassle
rustic latch
It just that those values are a "list" that I compare against to determine behaviour. It can be done, just need to rewire it a tiny bit
Meanwhile I got the Trigger thing working
maiden tangle
I see.
And nice that you did 🔥
inner hare
Damn, good company there:
and 8/10 OMW <:doitswit:561465241435897856>
if you take the last month into account, N'Garde is actually at the top in terms of endorsements 😮
always nice to see so many Sekiro parry enjoyers, right guys?
rustic latch
tough juniper
That's a nice bundle tbf
That, plus top 10 for the year makes a slamming modpack
Very impressive to be on both lists
hearty scroll
That, plus top 10 for the year makes a slamming modpack
I am still mad that I only found out yesterday about the detection spells mod. I've been waiting for such a mod for litteral years (basically, ever since I used a detection spell in Morrowind after Skyrim came out).
kindred imp
Been getting this error right now while fighting minotaur. Latest version too
[14:21:12.546 E] L0x708410d[scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua] eventHandler[ngarde_onRangedThreat] failed. Lua error: [string "scripts/ngarde/controllers/parry.lua"]:314: attempt to index a function value
[14:21:12.546 E] stack traceback:
[14:21:12.546 E] [string "scripts/ngarde/controllers/parry.lua"]:314: in function 'getCanDeflectArrows'
[14:21:12.546 E] [string "scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua"]:213: in function <[string "scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua"]:209>
[14:21:12.546 E] [C]: in ?
Or a mummy barrowguard, not sure
inner hare
I am still mad that I only found out yesterday about the detection spells mod. I...
it's good and highly customisable
tough juniper
Ooh minotaurs, can they parry? maybe they should deflect arrows with their thick hides
kindred imp
Sadly not
inner hare
Ooh minotaurs, can they parry? <:datchim:595224332272140298> maybe they should ...
frankly, they probably wouldn't bother with parrying
it's like giants parrying
kindred imp
They're tough as fuck
inner hare
they don't need to do that
wet tendon
a minotaur parries by swinging his big giant hammer at you
rustic latch
Been getting this error right now while fighting minotaur. Latest version too
``...
O_o
kindred imp
Spent maybe 50 arrows on one guy alone
rustic latch
hmmmm
inner hare
Spent maybe 50 arrows on one guy alone
tough juniper
Maybe but I want it for a boss fight mod
kindred imp
Given I was cornered and coud;nt make any distance
rustic latch
So two things
- Whatever you were fighting got fencer script attached
and it probably shouldn't
kindred imp
Minotaur Barrowguard from PC
rustic latch
Yeah, may need to add them to the blacklist.
If they are flagged as "can use weapons" -
I think I've originally only checked TamrielData- so probably missed creatures that are in Cyr_Main only
inner hare
Maybe but I want it for a boss fight mod
rustic latch
Second, I've screwed up creature skill getters
in the last update
so I'll fix that
wet tendon
https://youtu.be/oWVJjbsXFgs?si=FK4D0_bqZLDnzO3d
I don't think the infantry was ready
inner hare
I don't think the infantry was ready
https://youtu.be/GBvaPViIiLs?si=um05Ra-TwZbwMG0a do you think they were ready here?
wet tendon
https://youtu.be/GBvaPViIiLs?si=um05Ra-TwZbwMG0a do you think they were ready he...
yeah they seemed prepared for that
inner hare
"gods have abandoned us"
wet tendon
at least one of the flag guys was giving them a pep talk, i saw him running back and forth
kindred imp
Fun interaction with Arrow Stick. The arrow flew just be the skeleton hitting a wall, but he still played the dodge animation
rustic latch
<:datchim:595224332272140298>
Nice
steep crystal
[07:33:45.513 E] L0xa10008b2[scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua] onInactive failed. Lua error: Object has no animation
[07:33:45.513 E] stack traceback:
[07:33:45.513 E] [C]: in function 'playBlended'
[07:33:45.513 E] [string "scripts/omw/mechanics/animationcontroller.lua"]:25: in function 'playBlendedAnimation'
[07:33:45.513 E] [string "scripts/ngarde/controllers/parry.lua"]:761: in function 'stopGuard'
[07:33:45.513 E] [string "scripts/ngarde/controllers/parry.lua"]:791: in function 'forceLowerGuard'
[07:33:45.513 E] [string "scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua"]:239: in function <[string "scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua"]:237>
[07:33:45.513 E] [C]: in ?
[07:33:48.408 E] Can't start L0xa10008b2[scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua]; Lua error: Object has no animation
I am getting the following errors after the most recent update
wet tendon
should have an easter egg animation for skeletons when you shoot arrows at them- they just throw their hands up in the air
steep crystal
Also, may be a coincidence but the character stats window is no longer showing progress towards progressing skills
rustic latch
Also, may be a coincidence but the character stats window is no longer showing p...
Do you have ncg?
steep crystal
since yesterday I update your mod as well as kildozery's
yeah the interesting thing is they were working before your last update - I can revert back to see if it solves the issue
steep crystal
well, that is odd
kindred imp
These warnings are harmless
rustic latch
And for NCG it just one line of code to address. Which I did on my install and reported to Mym
inner hare
isn't it the usual 0.51.0 log spam BS?
rustic latch
Minotaur Barrowguard from PC
you got any mods that change the minotaurs?
kindred imp
No, I don't think I have
rustic latch
Base PC they are not marked as "can use weapons"
so fencer script should never attach
kindred imp
At least none that I know of
tough juniper
Do they have a weapon?
inner hare
giants also have a weapon and they are not "fencers"
kindred imp
Do they have a weapon?
No
tough juniper
Not yet
inner hare
Hircine has a weapon...
rustic latch
giants also have a weapon and they are not "fencers"
iirc giants also don't have the flag
it's largely irrelevant if the model has a weapon as part of it
inner hare
yeah, it's the flag
rustic latch
the CS flag is what's important
tough juniper
Its relevant for my purposes
rustic latch
bluegh - those have no flag too
weird
and you had debug logs disabled, right? Cause those would report which actor they've attached
kindred imp
Debug is disabled, yes
rustic latch
What I'm getting at is that "fencer.lua" should have never been active in the first place to get you that error
kindred imp
it's too laggy to play
rustic latch
Dammit
kindred imp
I might spawn one in manually and see if it's consistent
rustic latch
I'll go stare at attach filters for a minute, but also will push a version in 10-15 minutes that fixes the skill getter issue
kindred imp
It's repeatable, but I don't see any mentions of the minotaur in logs
[14:52:11.504 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]: [NGarde]:[DEBUG]:Sending ranged threat event
[14:52:11.505 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]: [NGarde]:[DEBUG]:table: 0x02a32b8da030
[14:52:11.505 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]: sent:false
[14:52:11.505 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]: threatType:10
[14:52:11.505 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]: timeDrawn:0.016765499487519
[14:52:11.505 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]: threatReach:1
[14:52:11.506 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]: drawStrength:1
[14:52:11.506 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]: actor:openmw.self[object@0x1 (NPC, "player")]
[14:52:11.506 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]: minReached:true
[14:52:11.518 E] L0x708410e[scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua] eventHandler[ngarde_onRangedThreat] failed. Lua error: [string "scripts/ngarde/controllers/parry.lua"]:314: attempt to index a function value
[14:52:11.518 E] stack traceback:
[14:52:11.518 E] [string "scripts/ngarde/controllers/parry.lua"]:314: in function 'getCanDeflectArrows'
[14:52:11.518 E] [string "scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua"]:213: in function <[string "scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua"]:209>
[14:52:11.518 E] [C]: in ?
[14:52:11.519 E] L0x7084104[scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua] eventHandler[ngarde_onRangedThreat] failed. Lua error: [string "scripts/ngarde/controllers/parry.lua"]:314: attempt to index a function value
[14:52:11.519 E] stack traceback:
[14:52:11.519 E] [string "scripts/ngarde/controllers/parry.lua"]:314: in function 'getCanDeflectArrows'
[14:52:11.519 E] [string "scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua"]:213: in function <[string "scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua"]:209>
*with debug enabled
rustic latch
Can you send me the full log please?
kindred imp
Sure
rustic latch
the fuck:
kindred imp
rustic latch
Ok. Found the issue
fencer was very much not attached to the barrowguard
update coming up in 10
1.2.4
- Controller trigger handling - now can assign left/right trigger to parry in script options
- Fixed a bug with attach/detach introduced in 1.2.3
- Actor onInactive event handler bugfix
- creature skill level getters fix
@kindred imp , @steep crystal stuff you've reported should be fixed
inner hare
this should be your avatar... or maybe a thumbnail on Nexus mod page
rustic latch
A mascot
maiden tangle
About a possible the bashing feature:
Another source of staggering your opponent might be too much or too easy to apply I think. Players/NPCs will likely prefer a guaranteed bash stagger over a perfect parry one, which is harder to time. Unless you want to apply side effects for the player as well, like heavy endurance drain or durability damage.
I like the idea of applying a sound, silence or damage armor effect (depending on skill) onto the enemy.
But it wouldn't feel nice if a magic effect, alongside its vfx, which also would be reflectable/absorbable pop up when you bash someone. Avoiding this on the technical side, I can't really say anything about it.
Besides that, I think I mentioned last time when we talked about this, that it could be cool to be able to bash with bows and crossbows instead of parrying with them. Beside any other side effects that I mentioned now, those do could apply a short stagger or a very minor amount of health damage to opponents, alongside a weapon damage penalty to the user.
rustic latch
I'm still not certain I want to touch bows/crossbows,
For magic effects - it's thankfully relatively easy to do and bypass the reflect completely
Just not sure if it feels right
copper raft
The opponent still gets staggered? What weapon type?
Yes, as in they've staggered with the normal sound instead of the perfect one. And no I'm not, although I don't see how my mod would affect it, it just replaces .wav files
rustic latch
What are you parrying with?
copper raft
Vanilla Daedric Warhammer
rustic latch
2h blunt close pitches down the perfect parry sound by 15% and plays it at the same time as normal parry sound
try weak parry and perfect parry and listen carefuly - maybe you just not notice it?
copper raft
I'll try again and keep you updated then
rustic latch
I'll try again and keep you updated then
check this out
copper raft
check this out
It might just be that I didn't notice then. Didn't know they even overlapped, was it always that way? Anyways when I can I'll still check again, but it'll likely be as you said
Thank you as always
rustic latch
It might just be that I didn't notice then. Didn't know they even overlapped, wa...
Since 1.0.8
The goal was to make the "ding" less jarring
inner hare
Since 1.0.8
Feels like a lifetime ago
rustic latch
Ah, goddammit
1.2.5
- script ordering update to fix slider renderer breaking in some cases for controller trigger sensitivity
How it didn't break on my end - no idea
rustic latch
Feels like a lifetime ago <:sadcat:820787128850055171>
It was, infact , almost a month ago O_o
uncut sun
check this out
Maybe a different stagger anim would be cool? On reflection, the hit stagger seems a little dramatic for a parry.
rustic latch
That is very much on the table, I'm not quite certain what it should look like
right now I randomly play one of 5 vanilla "hit" animations
Something else would be cool, but I very much don't have a vision of what
uncut sun
You have thought about it. Ok.
steep crystal
[10:59:41.929 E] [string "scripts/maxyari/reanimation_v2/animationoverr..."]:18: in function 'cloneAnimOptions'
[10:59:41.929 E] [string "scripts/maxyari/reanimation_v2/animationoverr..."]:204: in function 'options'
[10:59:41.929 E] [string "scripts/maxyari/reanimation_v2/reanimationapi..."]:293: in function <[string "scripts/maxyari/reanimation_v2/reanimationapi..."]:253>
[10:59:41.929 E] [C]: in ?
[10:59:41.945 E] L@0x1[scripts/maxyari/reanimation_v2/reanimationapi.lua] onUpdate failed. Lua error: [string "scripts/maxyari/reanimation_v2/animationoverr..."]:18: attempt to index local 'opts' (a nil value)
[10:59:41.945 E] stack traceback:
[10:59:41.945 E] [string "scripts/maxyari/reanimation_v2/animationoverr..."]:18: in function 'cloneAnimOptions'
[10:59:41.945 E] [string "scripts/maxyari/reanimation_v2/animationoverr..."]:204: in function 'options'
[10:59:41.945 E] [string "scripts/maxyari/reanimation_v2/reanimationapi..."]:293: in function <[string "scripts/maxyari/reanimation_v2/reanimationapi..."]:253>
[10:59:41.945 E] [C]: in ?
[10:59:41.963 E] L@0x1[scripts/maxyari/reanimation_v2/reanimationapi.lua] onUpdate failed. Lua error: [string "scripts/maxyari/reanimation_v2/animationoverr..."]:18: attempt to index local 'opts' (a nil value)
[10:59:41.963 E] stack traceback:
[10:59:41.963 E] [string "scripts/maxyari/reanimation_v2/animationoverr..."]:18: in function 'cloneAnimOptions'
[10:59:41.963 E] [string "scripts/maxyari/reanimation_v2/animationoverr..."]:204: in function 'options'
[10:59:41.963 E] [string "scripts/maxyari/reanimation_v2/reanimationapi..."]:293: in function <[string "scripts/maxyari/reanimation_v2/reanimationapi..."]:253>
[10:59:41.963 E] [C]: in ?
I assume this is for reanimation v2 and not related to N'Garde
I posted on their mod bug page just in case
rustic latch
Very unlikely it's something I did
Max is on a sabbatical, so not sure when he gets around to fixing it
do you have latest reanimation?
steep crystal
Yeah, version 2.7 rogue
maiden tangle
Just not sure if it feels right
Just my thoughts on this, no request or pressure for implementation of course 😉
About the magic-effects-bash; it seems when applying a spell that is marked as an ability onto an actor, the usual hit-sparkling vfx won't show up (if that information is helpful).
rustic latch
I can apply an effect directly, bypassing a spell
spell actually may be cleaner
in short - there are options
rustic latch
Just my thoughts on this, no request or pressure for implementation of course 😉...
And it's fine if it's a request. I listen, but generally only implement stuff that I like anyway 🙃
maiden tangle
And it's fine if it's a request. I listen, but generally only implement stuff th...
And that's exactly how it should be! 😁
somber quail
hmmmm
Perhaps offer a consequence for a 'critical fail' that makes deflecting arrows a move of last resort?
rustic latch
It's a last resort anyway, with bullseye it's quite tricky to time, and not available for most of the game anyway
And if you miss the timing - you're screwed, only perfect parry works
somber quail
I started new with the new patches and haven't been able to test this feature yet. Sorry if this was out of turn.
rustic latch
Nah, don't worry
vagrant needle
Really liking the mod! One question: (maybe its just my setup/modlist) often I see NPCs using block/parry animation but I get 'shadow' hit by them. AFAIK they are both blocking and attacking which makes some fights v hard Did you encounter this interaction, is it known or something new?
rustic latch
Are you on latest version?
vagrant needle
Nope - 1.2.0. I'll download the newest. Didnt see that I'm 4 versions behind 😅
rustic latch
let me know if it still happens
inner hare
btw this is all of N'Garde meme lore covered in one picture
rustic latch
vagrant needle
Seems fixed now! Will keep you posted if anything changes. Thanks!
rustic latch
Seems fixed now! Will keep you posted if anything changes. Thanks!
Good to hear
hearty scroll
btw this is all of N'Garde meme lore covered in one picture
I'm glad you mentionned "N'Wahrde" *
inner hare
I'm glad you mentionned "N'Wahrde" *
*N'wahrde
it's not mentioned often enough, right?
we cannot forget about this
hearty scroll
we cannot forget about this
Indeed, it's very important
inner hare
I wonder what would the poll results be if the community voted on mod name change...
dusk palm
Hey is there currently an issue with the newest version ?
the enemies block and parry just fine but when I do it I get the animation but I cant actually block or parry anything
ok I just trued the 0.8 version and its still not working
so its definetly something on my end
maiden tangle
btw this is all of N'Garde meme lore covered in one picture
Thank you for the documentation of modding history 🤝
rustic latch
but also - it sounds like the issue people have been having with older version of skill evolution
rustic latch
so its definetly something on my end
Do you have skill evolution? And if you do, which version? And do get me your log file
dusk palm
but also - it sounds like the issue people have been having with older version o...
well I had the same version of skill evolution back when I was using N´Garde 0.8 and it worked fine
now it doesnt work with neither the old nor the new version
rustic latch
0.8?
That's about time I worked with Mym on interop
Update skill evolution to latest
dusk palm
Imma need your log
there is no error message from N´Garde
Only from Mercy
rustic latch
at least .1.9.8 -
dusk palm
Do you have skill evolution? And if you do, which version? And do get me your lo...
okay yea that solved everything somehow
thanks
rustic latch
So at some point during 0.8 I've added interop with Skill Evolution to support SE feats and just generally better integrate. Mym also did some changes on his end. This together meant that you either use N'Garde without skill evolution, or need to use it with Skill Evolution that is new enough to have Mym's changes
inner hare
right, I need to update the meme map with old SE version issues
rustic latch
inner hare
I remember one pre-release version which actually managed to break SE
I still have that save
NIL
toxic dagger
Oi, is it safe to update the mod for the minor bug fixes that've been released ?
I don't know if Morrowind works the same as in skyrim
Please don't send the "READ" gif, I promise I read 🙏
rustic latch
lmao
for lua mods - it is generally safe
and ngarde is almost pure lua
content mods - your results may wary
tough juniper
Morrowind is much more forgiving than Skyrim in that regard.
rustic latch
And in case what I said may be misunderstood - it is safe to update N'Garde midsave
kindred imp
Oi, is it safe to update the mod for the minor bug fixes that've been released ?...
In case of lua mods, it's always safe unless stated otherwise
rustic latch
worst case if you update from 0.5 or something probably a good idea to reset your settings
toxic dagger
Thank ye !
candid wren
All of the combat mods work perfectly, only think I’m conflicted about is GRIP, would that go before N’Garde
rustic latch
Probably, but I think it may not matter
candid wren
I’ll do it before like all the other thanks
rustic latch
Ye, should be fine
uncut sun
I've been convinced. I like the visual misses. Very minimal. Good job
rustic latch
I've been convinced. I like the visual misses. Very minimal. Good job
Awesome, thank you.
Care to share why you had doubts?
uncut sun
Never had doubts. It looked like a good feature. My issue was that it was not what your mod was supposed to do, parrying and active block. That i enjoy the feature is a secondary thing.
inner hare
glorious feature creep
rustic latch
rustic latch
Never had doubts. It looked like a good feature. My issue was that it was not wh...
Ah, completely fair. I do agree it seemed out of scope a bit, but since I already had the "glancing blows" thing - didn't seem like a step to far
uncut sun
It's good, it's minimal and is completely optional. Relecting, i think i was worried that it would just feel weird. I would swing at someone with a big claymore sword and the npc would do slight head bob and somehow that means that the sword missed. But really vanilla is not much better. is good
rustic latch
Yeah, vanilla just does a "woosh" sound and that's it. I've tried to keep my animations non-intrusive and so did Dubious, I think we struck a decent balance
inner hare
it would be hard for Vanilla to do it better when the sword physically hits the actor, but there is simply no impact hit and no damage 😄
it's almost funny because this is what many people dislike about Morrowind and it got "fixed" in some random update for a mod about parrying, not dodging
you could release it as standalone and I bet it would be popular even with players who don't use N'Garde
rustic latch
you could release it as standalone and I bet it would be popular even with playe...
That seems too much like download farming
However, I guess there may be people that don't want active blocking, but may want that
inner hare
However, I guess there may be people that don't want active blocking, but may wa...
Yeah. So if you want to do some farming... 🧑🏻🌾
rustic latch
1.2.6
- Pursuit compatibility patch. Reviewed and improved script attach/detach behaviour which happens when player and chasing NPCs change cells
uncut sun
i'm getting the jitter now also. FUCK!
rustic latch
?
the same bug Jojy had?
Enable "Use Additional Animation Sources" setting in the launcher
Enable "smooth animation transitions" setting in the launcher
Enable "smooth movement" setting in the launcher. This one and one above will prevent jitter on NPCs in combat
try these launcher setting
toxic dagger
Just realised something.
I tried heavily increasing the stamina costs to really nerf myself. I thought it would make the game much harder
Turns out, it made it easier lol
I don't know why but I just assumed that the config settings only apply to the player and not the NPCs , they just started knocking themselves out in front of my feet
rustic latch
All settings apply to both NPCs and the player yeah
toxic dagger
You know I only now realise how strong it is that vanilla block just completely stops all damage when it procs
Because Kagoutis early game are a fucking menace with N'Garde man
If I get knocked out against a Kagouti at my level it's goodbye for me lol
rustic latch
Now imagine if creatures could block :P
toxic dagger
Can't Imagine it, early game would be impossible lmao
BUT
It would promote alternate playstyles
Like stealth
rustic latch
Well, that was never the goal. N'Garde as is makes melee gameplay harder, but more rewarding, and allows you to punch up once you figure some stuff out.
Which is kind of the vision I had
inner hare
You shoot in the back
rustic latch
LMAO
inner hare
rustic latch
btw @lime spire I think it was you that tried it. Pursuit got updated, works great now
tough juniper
your mod is ok arrean, but if its not compatible with this i might have to uninstall https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/59004
rustic latch
lime spire
btw <@272109858956902400> I think it was you that tried it. Pursuit got updated,...
Oh perfect.
rustic latch
Welp. Laptop dead. Fooking amazing
rustic latch
Just glad that I got those two bug fixes in today
cyan reef
offers a tube of thermal paste
quasi niche
https://discord.com/channels/260439894298460160/1482416741077356692/149473130497...
damnit i got taken innnn ||ggwp lmao||
cyan reef
I'm pretty sure that ranged attacks don't benefit from a sneakycrit. You certainly don't get the message.
wet tendon
You shoot in the back
they can't parry what they can't see O_O
hearty scroll
@rustic latch Is the ability to parry arrows with fists at lvl 90 hth (no block skill needed) on purpose?
rustic latch
<@681306411229380669> Is the ability to parry arrows with fists at lvl 90 hth (n...
Yes, but may need to change
it's more of an oversight
hearty scroll
alright
rustic latch
Well fuck. Laptop is dead-dead Will bring it to a shop that does board level repair on monday, but not optimistic
steep crystal
A beefy laptop?
rustic latch
decently so
equivalent one today is 600 bucks more expensive and has a worse cpu ffs
inner hare
Well fuck. Laptop is dead-dead <:36vehks:559827884382879762> Will bring it to a ...
Farewell, Nerevar. Better luck in next incarnation .
rustic latch
Well, good news. I managed to resuscicate old work laptop. Bad news - it runs purely vanilla openmw at 30 fps in interiors
cyan reef
Well,fuckberries.
rustic latch
Well, no data loss at least. Or I hope so, I pulled the ssds out of the dead laptop, and most important stuff is backed up or is in git. But fuck it's annoying. No guarantee that the repair shop will even work on Monday as it's a holiday and no one wanted to take it today "Try that shop over there, or come back next week - no reason for it to sit in the shop over weekend"
Good news is in one of the shops I remembered that the charging port on my phone is fucked and the guy has fixed it in under 10 minutes
cyan reef
Must be in the Commonwealth. No one else has Victoria Day.
rustic latch
"Late May Bank Holiday" jfc, the brits are bad at naming things.
I'm in NI atm
cyan reef
I live in Canuckistan.
simple bone
We're not that bad at naming things xD
rustic latch
Lmao
tough juniper
yeah remember Boaty McBoatface?
rustic latch
And that disproves my point, how?
It was funny though, I concede
I think this laptop ran starsector pretty well when I used it as my daily. So I think that's what I'll do till monday
simple bone
tbf, it's not a religious Holy Day or any other celebration, so it's not got a special name
cyan reef
I hear nothing but good things about Starsector. I really should look into it.
cyan reef
From what I saw,it's kinda like a more intimate Stellaris.
rustic latch
No, it's M&B in space + some questing
one can turn it almost into a 4x with Nexerelin
but then it's still M&B in space with some better colony management
tough juniper
woah that sounds cool
cyan reef
Also,one video warned me of something nasty: One faction loves to load supertankers with fuel and bombs,and attempt to ram.
rustic latch
That they do
cyan reef
And they're the mouth-frothing fundamentalist zealots that nobody likes.
rustic latch
Luddic path do be like that
tough juniper
fight fire with holier fire
rustic latch
It's not straight M&B in space. But - you get a fleet of up to 30 ships, you equip each one individually and ship customization could've been a whole game
cyan reef
I wonder what would happen if Freelancer's Xenos met Starsector's Luddic Path.
cyan reef
Xenos are human,despite the name.
They're xenophobic isolationist terrorists from Freelancer's Space America. Motivated almost purely by, "They took our jobs!"
rustic latch
🤷♂️ never played freelancer
when It was fresh - I was playing X: Beyond the frontier
rustic latch
They're xenophobic isolationist terrorists from Freelancer's Space America. Moti...
As long as they are not using AI, or other "high tech" luddic path won't care
But generally - do play starsector, it's great
And modding scene is thriving
cyan reef
They can't afford higher tech goodies. They're stuck with civilian market ships and improvised,though effective,particle cannons.
So,you can have a fleet of thirty ships...
rustic latch
Yeah, choose any one as your flagship, equip them, hire officers, supply them, etc. Do quests, make a colony, get a commission with one of the factions
cyan reef
Aaand my Stellaris brain said: Carrier,ten cruisers,the rest are destroyers.
rustic latch
Aaand my Stellaris brain said: Carrier,ten cruisers,the rest are destroyers.
Nah, very different generally
cyan reef
So a battlegroup isn't smart in Starsector?
rustic latch
Much smarter than stellaris, but two just don't compare in how combat is handled
inner hare
I'm surprised that no cat meme was posted despite the FUBAR laptop situation
still...
rustic latch
Well, you see
the cat meme is on that laptop's ssd
And I haven't bothered plugging it in here yet
rustic latch
That laptop broguht you N'Garde. However I've almost re-setup my dev environment on this one
Not pleasant, as this box is a bit laggy
but I'll be able to fix bugs at least
inner hare
inner hare
go to Naris
rustic latch
and also - the fuckign apostrophe is way too fucking close to the enter
inner hare
for OG experience
rustic latch
go to Naris
Ain't even got the TR installed
inner hare
20 years ago everybody ran Morrowind at 20 FPS and it was FINE!
inner hare
hell, you can do VIvec Arena testing
without GrumblingVomit's mod, of course
as his has crowds
but you can lower their density
rustic latch
Yeah, probably
inner hare
😅
rustic latch
intel UHD is trying its very best - but it just can't cut it
rustic latch
I'm also glad I've upgraded this shitboxes' ram when I used it. If it still had 8 - I'd fucking cut someone
rustic latch
No you don't
inner hare
That's the point.
rustic latch
LMAO
inner hare
😄
cyan reef
Probably an unpopular opinion: I think the slow (base) movement speed and low fog distance is to the game's benefit. It helps the genuinely small game area feel large,especially when combined with the extremely rugged terrain.
tough juniper
i totally agree. i think long view distance is nice for occaisional vistas but overall it just makes the world feel smaller
inner hare
Probably an unpopular opinion: I think the slow (base) movement speed and low fo...
I agree. It's why I keep view distance at 5-6 and don't increase player movement speed.
rustic latch
I agree. It's why I keep view distance at 5-6 and don't increase player movement...
Default max is 2
oldwind max that is
inner hare
yeah, but Oldwind is a bit too low
rustic latch
Probably an unpopular opinion: I think the slow (base) movement speed and low fo...
That is oft repeated and somewhat popular opinion
but, with TR and PT it doesn't make much sense anymore
inner hare
view distance 10+ affects the game adversely IMO
rustic latch
Fair
inner hare
the illusion of distance is lost
rustic latch
I personally played at 4, cause that's what my laptop could reasonably handle with other GFX mods that I was running
inner hare
should be fine
cyan reef
Then there's enchanting an amulet with Jump 100,Fortify Strength 100,and Fortify Acrobatics 200 for 1 second each to just bound over enormous swathes of land in one go.
Just make sure you have a Slowfall ring to throw on immediately before impact.
inner hare
unrelated
rustic latch
Funnily increasing it to 10 didn't make much different except in certain areas I got awful stuttering
cyan reef
Hey,if it gets me from Gnaar Mok to the Urshilaku Camp in a hurry...
inner hare
Funnily increasing it to 10 didn't make much different _except_ in certain areas...
4 and 10 probably has some effect, but genereally speaking, 5-6+ will have very little real performance impact because of how distant land works
rustic latch
Momw people, think it was Sophie and Gonzo on two separate occasions told me that over 4 should have minimal impact, cause first 4 cells are the most expensive
but I found that to be a sweetspot for my hardware
inner hare
yeah, sth like that
because then it's distant land
and since distant land isn't processed the same way...
rustic latch
Yeah
cyan reef
I wonder. With modern hardware,what'll you lose first in OpenMW? Frames per second,or ticks per second?
drowsy rain
man, staves are SO good as a utility weapon early on
You can just sit out of reach and prod someone's block to ruin their stamina because they're so much faster than spears
stops working once enemies have higher block, but at that point you have better options
they also have an incredibly fast block animation
cyan reef
Staves are best avoided in later stages of the game unless you're an excellent enchanter.
drowsy rain
yeah, the damage falls off a cliff, if you want low damage high volume, use short blades
cyan reef
If you are an excellent enchanter,then you can guffaw as you slap on an enchantment made to simulate H2H knockouts.
Or a smiting enchantment,if you're boring.
With N'Garde,staves gain a new utility in being the only weapon that can match the parrying abilities of claymores.
Shields,perhaps expectedly,are still better on all fronts for parrying and plain ol' cold blocking,though.
inner hare
yeah, the damage falls off a cliff, if you want low damage high volume, use shor...
yeah, but short blades don't have the reach, so you can actually poke enemies with the staff even mid-late game.
rustic latch
With N'Garde,staves gain a new utility in being the only weapon that can match t...
Spears too
cyan reef
I love the idea of a staff with Damage and Drain Fatigue and Damage Endurance enchantment,because it just calls to mind the image of just mollywhopping the guy in the gut to drive the air from his lungs.
rustic latch
Exactly the same parry profile for a staff and a spear infact
inner hare
spears are actually one of the meta weapon types in Vanilla, so they are great either way
cyan reef
The spear meta in vanilla is driven almost entirely by backpedal kiting. Which is... Eeh.
inner hare
once you know how to utilise spear's reach in Vanilla, other weapon types may seem weak
cyan reef
Don't get me wrong,I love spears,too. But I find backpedal kiting to be very boring.
I tend to take oblong orbits around my enemies instead,when using spears. And if I have good enough hops,reveral leaps.
inner hare
you may also consider it boring to shoot someone with a bow or a fireball
but it's a thing
but boring or not, spear is extremely strong in Vanilla. Hell, besides reach, with Vanilla levelling system, it also has the most meta governing attribute.
so it's arguably one of the best weapon skills in-game even if you plan to switch to some other weapon type later on
cyan reef
Aah yes. Endurancemaxing.
drowsy rain
yeah, but short blades don't have the reach, so you can actually poke enemies wi...
only thing is that this itself loses more value when enemies get better at blocking and specifically block staggering you
inner hare
only thing is that this itself loses more value when enemies get better at block...
you need to wait longer instead of spamming then
cyan reef
I wonder. How does Disintigrate Armour work? Does it evenly distribute its damage across all worn armour? Or clone its effect for all worn armour?
inner hare
I wonder. How does Disintigrate Armour work? Does it evenly distribute its damag...
no, there is a strict sequence
shield is always first
if the enemy has one
cyan reef
Amulet enchantment identified,then. The most Disintigrate Armour I can get on that thing,with the express goal of vaporizing shields.
inner hare
Drain Block or Damage Block may also work, if you have these spell effects
cyan reef
Yharnamite's Amulet: Disintigrate Armour 100 pts/s for 100s on touch.
"Shields are nice,but not if they engender passivity."
inner hare
yeah, swords are great. Very common and versatile weapon type, so it's hard to go wrong with Long Blade.
cyan reef
I try to avoid Long Blade as much as possible,because they're so grossly overrepresented in media.
cyan reef
Swords were,with vanishingly few exceptions,sidearms and ceremonial pieces. I wanna be a BAMF with something else.
rustic latch
There are easier ways to win the Darwin award
wet tendon
8 bit theatre is great 😄
rustic latch
Swords were,with *vanishingly few* exceptions,sidearms and ceremonial pieces. I ...
TES Lore specifies spears as "martial 1on1 weapon" due to difficulty of formation fighting when fireballs exist
inner hare
most of my characters nowadays don't use Long Blade, but it's because I used it a lot as a teenager, so I try to go for more diversity
rustic latch
Which kinda demotes them from the queen of the battlefield they were for the entirety of human history
cyan reef
I was referencing history with that statement,but that just makes sense.
I think it's telling that my first ever Morrowind character,on the original Xbox,was a Redguard in Medium Armour,a spear,and a shield.
inner hare
TES Lore specifies spears as "martial 1on1 weapon" due to difficulty of formatio...
this isn't really what's said in-game btw