N'Garde. Vanilla-Friendly Parry and Active Block.

[tough juniper]

yeah dont be like me

[inner hare]

it's funny when you see a video about a super-heavily-modded-Skyrim which seems like a total conversion, but then sth very Skyrimy happens and you are like: ah, yes, it's still Skyrim

[tough juniper]

lmao yeah totally

[tropic fulcrum]

I have like 750 +

[quasi niche]

i play with like 1.5 myself, but then I'm, uhhh, going along at constant 10-30 fps on top of that so help

granted i'm on an old igpu, etc

[inner hare]

20 FPS was enough in 2004

[rustic latch]

So I'm a purist here, huh. With my ~150 mods

[tough juniper]

ive had good results with kart's oc edits and dfpso

i get about 10-20 in vivec but im up to 30-40 in balmora

[inner hare]

@kindred imp your turn, man. Hit us with your numbers!

[inner hare]

um, is that Concept Art Palace with candles?

[quasi niche]

yeah oc build was nice, wish someone would build the updated fork for linux

[tough juniper]

i would probably recommend Bor's list over mine i imagine its more stable

[quasi niche]

i jumped ship for custom spells on rc1

[inner hare]

#announcements message

[waxen cliff]

capocat

The generic Linux package for RC2 is up.

Linked by @​cybvep from #announcements · May 5, 2026, 8:43 AM

[kindred imp]

1212 folders
1053 plugins

not all of them are enabled

but most of them are

[tough juniper]

nah i think its mainly BCoM plus the other clutter

[kindred imp]

split looks kinda like this

[inner hare]

maybe you should look for a version with closed cantons

[tough juniper]

i did

seeing 20 is an improvement

[kindred imp]

mfw Watercolor retexture alone takes like 40 gigs of space

I'm at 100-ish gigs rn

[tropic fulcrum]

on my SSD 🙏

[kindred imp]

me too

[tropic fulcrum]

can't imagine HDD

[kindred imp]

not a big difference, in my experience

if any, even

[inner hare]

then the next stage would be a sort of cleanup mod. I mean, modded outdoor stalls for some minor merchants are nice and all, but it's not that they are important gameplay-wise. Removing stuff like that could help.

[tough juniper]

i know 😭 it just looks so cool

[quasi niche]

me! but i forego all upscaling mods so i'm probably just at 10 gigs, i hope

[tough juniper]

dancing girls and pack nix hounds

its like star wars

[inner hare]

me when I click on Sloads in Sloads and Traders mod and type "disable":

I still need to check your submod

for the dialogue

[tough juniper]

still trying to find time to work on that quest integration idea

maybe that can be my modathon project

[quasi niche]

every time i debate removing a mod i'd keep thinking 'but won't it be cool to do x on this character or get y reward' and over 50% of the time the idea was dropped

[inner hare]

ooooohhh, that would be dope

I think that besides unique dialogue for the sloads, some dialogue for NPCs in affected towns should be added

latest rumors, little advice etc.

people complaining or commenting

[tropic fulcrum]

10+gb vram usage on average btw

[quick obsidian]

thanks for the @

and thank you for this

oh it needs an unspecified fork lmao

[rustic latch]

yeee

shame that

[quick obsidian]

in any case I spent an hour vibe coding an implementation with claude that ought to do it for now, will check if it works when I get home, but the functions look OK

should work with N'garde and Skill Evolution

[rustic latch]

yeah it won't. And I don't mean compatibility

[quick obsidian]

epic! Thanks claude

what I get for vibecoding without a test enviroment

[rustic latch]

Claude has no idea what it is doing - it's a glorified autocomplete.

But it's all the usual problems - nonexistant endpoints, params and fields, functions "used" but never defined

etc

and main thing - it added a handler to player's onHit, and not correctly that. So even if everythign else worked - it would fire when you get hit not when you hit something

[quick obsidian]

amazing, well, serves me for blindly trusting an LLM in an area I understand little of, guess I'll have to actually work on it when I get home from work

[rustic latch]

you are the art

I mean - it's not that difficult, and you'll learn something and come out the other side a better yourself. The code probably can even be unfucked though I'd scrap it and start anew. It has some correct assumptions, but that's by pure chance.

In the nicest way possible too - I also have a policy of not unfucking llm written code unless I absolutely have to, so beyond guidance if you have questions - you're on your own.

[quick obsidian]

Don't worry, I wouldn't have asked, I prefer to learn the right way

[rustic latch]

If you decide to start from scratch without an an llm though - I'm happy to help

[quick obsidian]

I appreciate it, I guess I should start by RTFM

[rustic latch]

I guess go and check docs pages for the packages it imported. Specifically pay attention to I.Combat and types.Actor

[quick obsidian]

will do, thanks again, I really appreciate it

[rustic latch]

https://openmw.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/lua-scripting/openmw_types.html##(Actor)
https://openmw.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/lua-scripting/interface_combat.html

[eager talon]

i am completely way too dumb to understand most of the script conversations you have in here arrean but it is really really cool to see how much effort you put into a really fucking awesome mod

i honestly think ngarde is my favorite mod of its kind that I have installed

[kindred imp]

@rustic latch quick question about your Roll fork. What does Mercy Extension do and how should it be installed?

Because I've put it under both Roll and Mercy, and I get this error a lot when entering combat

[23:19:06.850 E] L@0x4d487[scripts/maxyari/mercycao/improvedai.lua] onUpdate failed. Lua error: [string "scripts/roll/mercy.lua"]:86: attempt to perform arithmetic on upvalue 'npc_roll_chance_multiplier' (a nil value)
[23:19:06.850 E] stack traceback:
[23:19:06.850 E]     [string "scripts/roll/mercy.lua"]:86: in function 'chance'
[23:19:06.850 E]     [string "scripts/roll/mercy.lua"]:124: in function 'should'
[23:19:06.850 E]     [string "scripts/roll/mercy.lua"]:171: in function 'trigger'
[23:19:06.850 E]     [string "scripts/roll/mercy.lua"]:202: in function 'run'
[23:19:06.850 E]     [string "scripts/behaviourtreelua2e/lib/node_types/nod..."]:61: in function 'run'
[23:19:06.850 E]     [string "scripts/behaviourtreelua2e/lib/behaviour_tree..."]:223: in function 'run'
[23:19:06.850 E]     [string "scripts/maxyari/mercycao/improvedai.lua"]:760: in function <[string "scripts/maxyari/mercycao/improvedai.lua"]:486>
[23:19:06.850 E]     [C]: in ?

[rustic latch]

It allows NPCs to roll if mercy is installed. However - It was there originally and I didn't touch beyond adding an interface check

So i've no idea if it even works

[kindred imp]

🧐

[rustic latch]

Using behaviour tree for it is also a bit overkill imo

I was going to rewrite it to be standalone, but didn't get to it yet

[kindred imp]

Also, does Mercy meaningfully improve the combat with N'Garde? Like, does it worth to keep it around at this point?

[rustic latch]

Cybvep says yes, in terms of NPC behaviour. But core NPC behaviour in N'Garde imo stands on its own two legs

[kindred imp]

@inner hare elaborate 🧐

[rustic latch]

btw. While I got you here. Do you have latest n'garde? does it work for you? Cause I got a weirdest bug report on nexus

latest being 1.1.1

[kindred imp]

I do have it, but I got the Roll bug first :D

[rustic latch]

roger that

[kindred imp]

lemme check again

[kindred imp]

Any details to look out for?

[rustic latch]

well this, at least

but can't reproduce with version downloaded from nexus

[kindred imp]

Nope, seems to work just fine

[rustic latch]

And re: Mercy - Mercy does many more changes to NPC behaviour than N'Garde does, they may jump, they may run around you, they may flee early, or charge. etc etc. N'Garde only really controls combat distance and adds some obstacle avoidance to backpedaling enemies. So imo - they are complementing

[rustic latch]

yup. Gonna ask for logs

[kindred imp]

Understood. I just didn't know how deep the AI changes went here

[rustic latch]

Very minimal - just "keep at range, don't walk yourself into a corner"

[kindred imp]

[23:36:22.373 I] L0x7060e15[scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua]:    [NGarde]:[STATUS]:Debug logging disabled
[23:36:22.376 I] L0x7060e16[scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua]:    [NGarde]:[STATUS]:Debug logging disabled
[23:36:22.379 I] L0x7060e18[scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua]:    [NGarde]:[STATUS]:Debug logging disabled
[23:36:22.381 I] L0x7064e8a[scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua]:    [NGarde]:[STATUS]:Debug logging disabled
[23:36:22.416 I] L0x7060e14[scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua]:    [NGarde]:[STATUS]:Debug logging disabled
[23:36:22.443 I] L0x70730a2[scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua]:    [NGarde]:[STATUS]:Debug logging disabled

[rustic latch]

:P

Imma have to remove that don't I

but you seem to have gotten into a fight with 6 npcs

so each parry controller separately reported that it won't log anything further

[kindred imp]

I sure did

[rustic latch]

yah, gonna remove that message in the next update

[rustic latch]

And thank you for the kind words.

[rustic latch]

Git blame to the rescue. I did actually fuck with that file a bit more. I've changed the way it gets settings. Except looking at code - it should never be nil. I'd advise keeping it off anyway - cause it looks like it attaches globally to all NPCs, no attach/detach in sight

[inner hare]

N'Garde is not a replacement for Mercy. The mods coexist together. NPC combat behaviour and attack patterns are different with Mercy. Other Mercy features work as well, e.g. warnings, surrendering, fleeing to get allies. It's not sth which N'Garde really affects.

if you fight 10 fights with Mercy and without Mercy, it will be easy to notice a difference

N'Garde, Mercy, Fair Care and Take Cover all work together quite well.

[rustic latch]

ah

do you see this fucker:

Mercy interface not found but mercy submodule is enabled. Check your load order
in your logs?

[kindred imp]

I think yes

[rustic latch]

yup. Weird. Cause I've got Mercy like 30 positions above both roll modules

and still it can't find the interface

let me see

[kindred imp]

And I'm sure Roll was loaded after Mercy

[rustic latch]

ye

I guess - just remove the if I.MercyCAO then wrapper in mercysettings.lua and it should start working

[kindred imp]

Seems like I no longer get the error, but I still will refrain from using the plugin :d

[rustic latch]

Fair

the mass NPC attach is sus

[wet tendon]

lol i have discord rich presence and I don't use Rubic0n 😛

[rustic latch]

Welp. Arrow deflection with weapons is turning out to be very funny

I've overdone it a bit.

But with bullseye installed - the arrows fly fast enough that even from fuck off distance - the raise guard animation is too slow for an NPC to deflect the arrow in time. Even if I ignore reaction time (they've been waiting and watching you)

And even if I make them basically prescient - knowing almost the precise projectile speed

Can only reliably deflect if you shoot at minimum draw

[kindred imp]

[rustic latch]

That's before taking "perfect parry only" into account

Bullseye - while not giving NPCs ability to headshot - still globally affects arrow speed GMSTs, so I'm thinking player will have the same problem

[kindred imp]

vanilla projectile speed is awfully slow

[rustic latch]

ye, on vanilla it will probably work

sort of

[inner hare]

100% Vanilla projectile speed is unacceptable IMO

it's like slow-mo

it doesn't have to be super fast but come on, Vanilla is garbage

[rustic latch]

I mean - bullseye speeds are reasonable

[inner hare]

talking about Vanilla here

[kindred imp]

I've set them based only on vibes

[rustic latch]

feel good - barely drawn bow sends the arrow barely flying, full drawn sends it properly fast

like, vibes are not off

and at that speed - no "witchering" is happening

[kindred imp]

My other problem is that the projectiles themselves are basically invisible
But I don't thin that's something I can realistically fix

[inner hare]

you could fudge it with perfect parries for actors btw. It's not that it would come into play often, anyway. I expect that you would only enable it for 2H swords (and maybe staves?) and skill requirements would be high enough that most actors won't even get the chance to try.

[rustic latch]

Skill req is 90/90 or 125 in main, otherwise they don't even attempt to raise guard

[inner hare]

yeah, so like 90+% actors in-game will never even try

which limits it quite a bit

[rustic latch]

But check out that vide - Umbra didn't "perfect parry" once

[inner hare]

yeah

[rustic latch]

despite having 0.4 seconds window

oh

actually, that may be cause I forgor another thing

let me see

[inner hare]

what I'm saying is that relaxing that requirement a little bit for actors wouldn't be a terrible idea

if other stuff fails

[rustic latch]

yeah, currently perfect is only allowed for melee

But still - he can't raise guard in time when I full draw the bow

[inner hare]

[rustic latch]

and I don't overdraw it - Iv'e added a "release" in onFrame for testing once "max attack" key is reached

[12:18:49.685 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]: drawStrength:1
[12:18:49.702 I] L@0x32db7[scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua]: [NGarde]:[STATUS]:GOT SHOOT RELEASE EVENT
[12:18:49.702 I] L@0x32db7[scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua]: [NGarde]:[STATUS]:projectileMaxSpeed: 8000
[12:18:49.702 I] L@0x32db7[scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua]: [NGarde]:[STATUS]:projectileMinSpeed: 1000
[12:18:49.702 I] L@0x32db7[scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua]: [NGarde]:[STATUS]:speedGuess: 8000
[12:18:49.703 I] L@0x32db7[scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua]: [NGarde]:[STATUS]:Time to Impact: 0.060545446849935

that's 60ms over that entire room

no chance in hell

[kindred imp]

well tbh this entire room is not that big
plus I suppose you can have some sort of attack anticipation based on animations (i think you already do?)

[rustic latch]

hm. Did I fuck up the time to impact calc? I think I did, but I fucked up it in the "lower than actually" direction - and he still can't raise it in time

[rustic latch]

2000 units wall to wall long side

[kindred imp]

ah.

[rustic latch]

^ I was standing closer for the video

the log is from this distance

[kindred imp]

ok yeah lmao

[rustic latch]

that's 31 yards, or 28 something meters in game units

Combat rarely happens from bigger distance I think

[kindred imp]

yeah

[inner hare]

btw here it's not that bad, especially considering the fact that in a real combat situation he would be moving towards you

[rustic latch]

all the shots that he deflected were "single mouse click" - absolutely minimal damage

and minimal speed

[inner hare]

ok, so non-issue stuff

that he could ignore

[rustic latch]

yup

anything over that - and it's hard to reliably release at reliable intervals - bow draw animation maxes out at about half a second - he can't deflect

I'll need to speed up "raise guard" animation like 4x for it to be possible

will be possible in quick mode though

but meh

[inner hare]

as mentioned before, maybe relax the settings for the actors

it will be rare, anyway

and you can always implement cooldowns for witchering if it's too frustrating

[rustic latch]

temporarily enable "quick mode" for that one parry?

cause that's the only thing that'll work - otherwise animation doesn't have time to reach the "stop" key - where the parry is fully raised

all my animations play in about 250ms, arrow reaches him in 60

from across the room

[inner hare]

can you make him approach the player with raised guard if the player has a ranged weapon equipped? And then ignore perfect parries and allow standard parries for actors, but with cooldowns

maybe base cooldown on dmg

minimal dmg = shorter cooldown

high dmg deflected = longer cooldown

[rustic latch]

he should approach anyway - this was with toggleai for testing

[inner hare]

I mean that he should sort of "turtle" if the player has ranged weapon equipped, but with intermissions

[rustic latch]

hmmm - I can shoot about 2 full drawn arrows at that distance before he's in my face. And the second one is ill advised

[inner hare]

you can use a range check so he wouldn't try to do it very close

[rustic latch]

cause I eat a hit because of it

[pastel vine]

N'Garde and Bullseye can still be used together correct?

[rustic latch]

sure can

[rustic latch]

This is probably the best idea. And also may fix other stuff for shield users

WIll have to work on it in the evening, need to get to work now

[inner hare]

just to make sure - my suggestion is to relax it for actors only... not the player

fuck the player

[rustic latch]

We'll see

[rustic latch]

And yeah - they anticipate it based on the animation, but there's not really a key to trigger off between min and max

[hearty scroll]

Mixing "realistic" marksman (fast arrow speed), with "unrealistic" feats like deflecting arrowns with a blade, seems like a conundrum

[rustic latch]

exactly the problem we are facing

Like I have some limited archery experience. I did penthatlon as a kid. And some re-enactment later. Even a very low draw weight bow - 12-15 kilo sends the arrow fast enough that it's almost impossible to do anything about it

[inner hare]

yeah, we are talking about feats that are maybe not supernatural (although for crossbows it would be truly witchering), but very very hard. Hence the skill req. Not sth you want to see often in-game. It will be cool when it happens on those rare occasions.

[rustic latch]

And I think I can make it work

Just need to make sure it doesn't clash too bad

[inner hare]

Golden Saint deflecting an arrow will probably be one of this oh shit moments the player remembers

[rustic latch]

it won't

GS are 80/80

base game golden saints that is

maybe there are others with higher skill

[inner hare]

ok

[rustic latch]

but creatures don't have individual skills, just the "CombatSkill" and for GS it's 80

[inner hare]

I know, I know

Combat-Magic-Stealth

[rustic latch]

yah

[inner hare]

lmao imagine the female Dunmer with the dagger in the cave deflecting an arrow shot by some noob

imagine the comments

[rustic latch]

LMAO

[inner hare]

that would be priceless

like holy shit 😄

secret boss

[rustic latch]

I'm tempted to adjust the formula now

canDeflect = (skills threshold met) or "i am Tanisie Verethi"

[inner hare]

and she would do it effortlessly, without stopping, since short blades barely slow down the actors

it would be damn hilarious

[rustic latch]

Too much, honestly. But fun to imagine

[wet tendon]

or someone tries to kill Baladas and he stop the arrow, turns it around, and shoots it back at the player x_x

[inner hare]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-the-matrix-bullets-stop-gun-gif-17396986

[simple bone]

Damn, just started using this, and it's already transformed how the game feels

[rustic latch]

Glad to hear that

[cinder gulch]

Hey arrean got a funny one for you

For some reason the options menu under scripts has like hundreds of entries for spell tomes. I'm using OpenMW 0.51 RC2 (Flatpak) on CachyOS
I can't replicate this and i'll tell the devs, but one of the only things I could think of is that maybe linux doesn't like the slider renderer? But you use the same one too, idk if you encountered anything like this

[maiden tangle]

Glad to hear that you started leaning into the arrow deflecting ability now, because I still was thinking about exclusive light saber deflecting.
Would it technically be possible to make arrow deflecting available for some specific weapons only? Not in terms of a whole weapon type (like blunt weapons that light sabers share with other melee ones), but as a white listing for unique weapons?
Doesn’t meant to also have it for the regular Morrowind N’Garde version, but would nonetheless a way of making the ability a rare phenomenon.
Imagine the Fang of Haynekhtnamet would have a hidden use

Besides that I’m all in for unlocking arrow deflection at near 100 points of used weapon type, with an extra cost of fatigue (because stressful action or something), so it might be considered to also just move out of the way or take cover instead (because no fatigue costs).

[rustic latch]

Ugh. never seen something like that. I don't think it's slider then

[rustic latch]

it's also something that is not likely to be caused by the os

[rustic latch]

It actually is going to be limited to 2hLongblade, spears and staves. So I think Starwind is out of luck if lightsabers are blunt weapons ( why are they?!)

[maiden tangle]

I see, looking forward to it

And no clue, maybe because they arent technically sharp?

[rustic latch]

... I guess if they are going off KoToR - there are regular swords there

so lightsabers have to be distinct

[hearty scroll]

I mean, technically, staves are blun weapons?

[inner hare]

separate weapon type. Blunt "Wide".

just covered by the same skill

[hearty scroll]

oh I see

[rustic latch]

Does anyone here plays starwind though?

[rustic latch]

Yo. Btw. - Can't reproduce at all. So it's not linux for sure

[cinder gulch]

Said he's using the flatpak RC2 on CachyOS

[rustic latch]

That shouldn't matter

I am on 0.52 nightly from couple days ago

barely any difference to linux RC2

[cinder gulch]

I think at one point in 0.51 there was a problem with settings from mods crashing on linux

[rustic latch]

Am not on Cachy though

[cinder gulch]

well, a problem until 0.51

[rustic latch]

🤷‍♂️ No idea. Never encountered it

[regal egret]

Considering there's plenty of youtube videos of people doing it (in ideal conditions) 100 is probably a bit much
Like level 50 is professional swordsman level, 100 is the best swordsman in the world. Arrows don't move that fast

[rustic latch]

Idea conditions, capping out at around 30m/s arrows - which is already incredibly hard and only doable with a countdown

Yah, nah. No one does it in combat except by accdident

It's not 100 though

90/90 for main/secondary

or 125 in main

Cause what we will be doing is giving NPCs and player ability to do it semi-reliably in combat

and that is quite superhuman

[inner hare]

well, even when Geralt did it with bolts, everybody was astonished 😅 .

[rustic latch]

actually let me convert the bullsyeye arrow velocity to base game and to RL

Yeah, that's 375 feet per second for bullseye at high end - nope.

[regal egret]

Are there many vanilla NPCs that qualify?
I think there's one Buoyant Armiger who'd be able to do it

[rustic latch]

Umbra does, basically he's the reason it's 90/90

Actually... Max charge vanilla fMaxProjectileSpeed is ~140 feet per second. Which is kind of realistic for a historical bow

the low end is completely off base

but non-compound bows with heavy arrows won't be shooring much faster

Low end being 18 feet per second for vanilla, and 2.5 that for bullseye.

[inner hare]

there may be some Bloodmoon and Tribunal NPCs who will quality, esp with many of them having high lvls and autocalced stats

[rustic latch]

Oh yeah, quite likely

And the high ordinators

[inner hare]

they don't use 2H weapons

they have shields

so that will even worse for the player

😄

Greater Skeleton Champions have 100 Combat stats

[rustic latch]

shields already are quite good at blocking arrows

[rustic latch]

lmao

[inner hare]

that's Bloodmoon Vanilla, so yeah

[rustic latch]

Yeah, so some NPCs will be able to do it

[inner hare]

those are creatures

so let's call them "actors"

😛

[rustic latch]

potato-tomato

I'm a bit tempted to drop it a bit though, to include GS

[inner hare]

wait, can Hircine block with his spear?

[rustic latch]

I didn't blacklist him, but I don't know if the animation will work

[inner hare]

no, he isn't flagged as Weapons wielder

he just has it in the inventory

[rustic latch]

when I looked through base+expansions+TD+OAAB creatures that have "can use weapons" he wasn't there

[inner hare]

I'm not sure if Alma can parry yet

[rustic latch]

She can't - I wasn't able to get the animation working

[inner hare]

she has 1H sword but it's definitely the case when I would expect her to be able to deflect arrows 🧐

ah

[rustic latch]

But it's on the radar

[inner hare]

wait

Dremora Lords have 90 combat skill

they will be able to deflect arrows

[rustic latch]

BM_hircine_huntaspect is not flagged as "can use weapons"

and the other two are quadripeds

[inner hare]

😛

[rustic latch]

Yah, wanted to doublecheck

[inner hare]

the fact that Dremora Lords are included make it much more likely for the player to see the feature in action in a typical playthrough

it will only become more common with modded content. I wouldn't worry about it.

and there are Bloodmoon Berserkers

[rustic latch]

So some, but not too much

[inner hare]

Tribunal Royal Guards

100 Long Blade, Adamantium Claymores

welcome to Tribunal expansion, gentlemen

wanna try your test with them @rustic latch ?

[rustic latch]

I mean.. They are not thatm much stronger than umbra

and he's getting max windows and basically min reaction time anyway

[inner hare]

they are like walking Umbras

[rustic latch]

god I hate tribunal

[inner hare]

how much experience do you have with Bloodmoon?

have you played it unmodded?

with no rebalancers?

Berserkers and Rieklings will drive you nuts

riekling riders have 60% Reflect for reasons

the devs decided to make those damn snow gobbos like Advanced Steam Centurions

[rustic latch]

Yes, and I still like it more than endless sewers of tribunal

[inner hare]

ah, fair

yeah, exteriors are better

there is NOTHING in Tribunal besides sewers, lmao

[rustic latch]

yeah

[inner hare]

you don't go to Sotha Sil until endgame and even then it's only a short section. The rest is sewers, sewers, sewers...

[rustic latch]

And Sotha Sil is just corridors

[inner hare]

yeah

[rustic latch]

I mean - I can feel my disappointment again all these years later

The city itself also felt like a downgrade

it's incredibly lifeless

[inner hare]

because it's a glorified Oblivion-/Skyrim-esque settlement

[rustic latch]

I'd argue it's worse

It feels like a Two Worlds town

[inner hare]

province capital

my ass

[rustic latch]

yup

[young aspen]

I wish there was a solid vanillish sotha sil overhaul

Mournhold you can at least look longingly over at tr planning and dream of something better

[regal egret]

Sotha Sil is actually on the TR map, it's in the Dres area

[rustic latch]

That's going to be fire when it releases

[inner hare]

See ya all in 2090!

[rustic latch]

[inner hare]

Let'a get Almalexia first. Next Narsis-lvl city is exactly what's needed to get rid of Mournhold stench

[young aspen]

it won't change any of the interior though

[inner hare]

I saw Sotha Sil Expanded mod. I don't like its visual style.

[rustic latch]

Right, @cyan reef let's take it here to not spam momw channels further

[cyan reef]

Fair!

[rustic latch]

blunt 51 is quite respectable and should give you enough leeway to block with the staff

[cyan reef]

Oh,wait,you're the dev? Schweet!

[rustic latch]

Why did you think I was asking for the logs!?

[cyan reef]

I thought you were a helpful wildcat debugger.

They exist in modding communities,you know.

[rustic latch]

I mean, fair

and I do that sometimes

but this one's mine

Hence the joke of me never having played sekiro, and Fuji calling me "mr. sekiro parry"

[cyan reef]

But yeah,the reason why I keep bringing up Sekiro? It'd because that it functions as close to Sekiro as you can get without a posture gauge.
With crackerjack timing,you negate the damage,stagger the enemy,and get a riposte opportunity. Certain enemies need more work to get that opportunity.

With less crackerjack timing,you just block most of the damage.

Assuming you return Kuro's charm in NG+.

[inner hare]

Too late

[rustic latch]

#1482416741077356692 message

[waxen cliff]

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Linked by @​.arrean from #N'Garde. Vanilla-Friendly Parry and Active Block. 1.0 · Apr 29, 2026, 6:23 AM

[cyan reef]

At the end of the day,I love a good deflection/timed block system.

I'd call it a parry system,but every fucking genre has a different definition from reality.

[rustic latch]

Let me know hot it feels. The staff is reasonably good at it. and you'll level block fast if you fight melee

[cyan reef]

I'm currently in Almas Thirr,so I think I should get to the Bitter Coast and check some smuggler dens.

Staves... hit like wet noodles. Such is the nature of the beast.

[rustic latch]

Eh, sorta

Comparatively at least

[inner hare]

Fast, good reach

[young aspen]

SSE is cool but very extra

[rustic latch]

Reach is the main thing yeah

[cyan reef]

Especially if you enchant your stick in such a way to emulate H2H knockdowns.

[rustic latch]

yup, it certainly helps

Not sure how closely you read the mod page, but do be aware that spear/staff wielding enemies will be more of a nuisance now - as they'll keep their distance at the edge of their weapon range

[cyan reef]

Yeah,I saw that part.

[pastel vine]

Dang I missed this but that is my favorite part haha

[wet tendon]

LOL- that's a game i haven't heard of in a long time

[rustic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-8662632631608934966

[hearty scroll]

Poor guy went through the trouble of installing NGC, which is a big change from vanilla leveling, because he couldn't read a sentence in the instructions ^^'

[rustic latch]

It's like 6th message/request/comment that didn't read the install instructions and is complaining about the optional esp

[hearty scroll]

(he obviously didn't read NGC description either)

[rustic latch]

yuuuup

[hearty scroll]

I understand preferring to experiment things rather than read thinigs, but I can't help wondering how much harder his life must be because he won't use his literacy skills (which he obviously has, otherwise he wouldn't be posting on the forum)

[rustic latch]

He's a writer, not a reader.

[hearty scroll]

kinda a downer for actual communication though ^^'

[rustic latch]

Well, I hope my response helps the guy

[hearty scroll]

It's very clear and patient, I'm sure it will.
...If he reads it 😅

[rustic latch]

I do have experience adopting a "customer service voice" - mostly used on my managers and co-workers. So that helps 😅

[rustic latch]

Prescient mofos.

However - think it's in a better place now. Still can be avoided/cheesed by holding shot longer than NPCs expect, or switching targets. Which feels natural

Now to polish it up

They idea being - they don't know when you'll shoot, so they raise guard roughly halfway through your "draw" animation

may add some variation there to imitate them "guessing"

[rustic latch]

meanwhile:

[11:49:59.452 I] L0x106300b[scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua]: [NGarde]:[DEBUG]:openmw.self[object0x106300b (Creature, "vivec_god")]sending parry success event. This will play sound
[11:49:59.452 I] L0x106300b[scripts/ngarde/fencer.lua]: [NGarde]:[DEBUG]:Parry. Defence factor: 100%.. Health damage negated: 0. Fatigue damage negated: 6.2.. Damage received: 0. Fatigue damage received: 0. . Fatigue parry cost: 7.78. Perfect parry window was: 0.4s. Timing: 100%. skillGainScale: 1. Damage Reflected as fatigue to attacker: 3.1

[inner hare]

https://tenor.com/view/vivec-elder-scrolls-my-reaction-to-that-information-gif-25764345

Muatra-powered VIvec will be sth

[rustic latch]

I've no idea why devs marked him as "can not use weapons" but rig is fully compatible with my animations

so now any mod that adds a spear or anything to him will 100% work

[rustic latch]

I mean, most players don't fight him, I think. But now if they do - it will be extra funni

[inner hare]

yeah

Can't even remember the last time I fought him outside testing

[rustic latch]

Same

[inner hare]

Alma would be more common

slightly

because Tribunal

[rustic latch]

lmao

[inner hare]

[wet tendon]

i usually kill them both and let sotha sil live

[rustic latch]

I gotta level with you. I've played through Tribunal twice

and have no intention of doing it again

Once as a kid many years ago, and again 3 years back or so - I'm good

[inner hare]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[inner hare]

https://youtu.be/QI1s2JyQ5xk?si=_y2fIGkEXD-4KLdH

[rustic latch]

Yuuup

[maiden tangle]

insert Arrean’s often and fittingly used swearing cat meme here

[uncut sun]

I wonder how many comments like this i would get if i upload my armor mod. Finished it btw. The TD file at least

[tough juniper]

Gamepad support?

[cinder gulch]

Btw, I found the problem with the infinite loop thing causing the linux guy's settings to freak out

[rustic latch]

Many probably

[cinder gulch]

Apparently there was some issue with extracting the mod. Somehow my file name changed from Spell Tomes of Morrowind/scripts/SpellTomes/ on his computer to SpellTomes/scripts/SpellTomes/ which apparently caused the VFS in my API scanning for scripts/SpellTomes/ to freak out. Even if he changed the name of the mod's folder to SpellTomes I have no idea why it would cause such a fucked up problem with the VFS

[rustic latch]

O_o

[cinder gulch]

Basically my response

Funny enough this isn't the first time I've had a problem with a different OS's VFS getting fucked, I just haven't seen a loop like that before

[eager crane]

Yes, imo. NPCs do a lot of fun stuff during the fight - walk around, retreat, call their allies, surrender, call you names

[rustic latch]

I mean they still call you names without :D

Kind of a core MW feature :P

[eager crane]

not enough

[rustic latch]

[inner hare]

holy shit, I didn't expect the first fight to be so intense! That secret N'Garde update is fire 😮

[rustic latch]

lmao

[cinder gulch]

Hey, you. You were dreaming.

[inner hare]

Wake up, there you go...

[hearty scroll]

"why are you shaking?"

[cyan reef]

Hmm. I seem to be forced to release held attacks whenever I'm hit. intentional?

[rustic latch]

if you are staggered yes. Stagger has an internal cooldown of 0.5 to 3 seconds iirc (exact numbers are on the wiki, and I'm not at my PC). So you can't get staggered again for a bit

the cooldown length is based on your endurance, strength and block skill.

if cooldown is going - any stagger animation will get immediately cancelled

except knockout and knockdown

same rules apply to NPCs

logic being - without cooldown it's easy to stunlock.
But logically speaking - it's not easy to keep holding your bow string drawn, or stoically hold the raised swing while getting pummeled

And all vanilla "hit" animatins are staggers

[cyan reef]

Hmm. I have pretty decent Endurance,yet I seem to be guaranteed to get staggered whenever I have my staff reared back.

(And Agility.)

[rustic latch]

if you enable debug logs - it will report the stagger cooldown length once stagger ends

agility has no effect on this one

only insofar - if you have glancing blows off - it can help you dodge

[rustic latch]

this will be visible in f10, look for stagger cooldown: line

[cyan reef]

On the plus side: Being able to parry and riposte is making melee combat much more engaging.

[rustic latch]

That was the plan

it should be more challenging, especially against multiple enemies

but more rewarding too

[cyan reef]

And it gave me an idea to make a martial Orsimer. Urgoz gro-Gortwog.
Daggerfall only ended a decade ago,and a king needs a legacy.

[rustic latch]

I made a "duelist" dunmer back in early feb. Got to level 18, realized something is missing and got to work on this

[cyan reef]

When I make Urgoz: Two-handed arms,or weapon and board?

[rustic latch]

Whichever tickles your fancy. At the moment only shields can protect against arrows

And shields are generally better at defending you, especially those with high armor rating

but mod was built around longblades first

[cyan reef]

You are not escaping the Sekiro allegations,despite never having touched it.

This tickles me.

[rustic latch]

I used to do hema

KCD is my game of the decade for 2010s

what I did - I did for a reason :P

[cyan reef]

I've heard nothing but good things about KCD and KCD2.

[rustic latch]

I'm yet to play two

my current laptop may struggle

but - KCD one is great

[cyan reef]

Except for one thing: Apparently,polearms are carry in hand,or dump on the ground. I have a friend who lost their shit at that.

[rustic latch]

Pretty sure they ran out of time

but hey - it's also reasonable

no magic pocket for 3m long guisarme

They did alot of motion capture and work for other weapons

[cyan reef]

I mean,it wouldn't be much of a thing to make a hanger bracket on a simple harness.

Though,a whole three meter long polearm... yeah,you're not hanging that.

You'd only get away with hanging a shorter polearm on a harness mounted bracket.

[rustic latch]

There's more weapon variety in 2

but again, I'm yet to play it properly

[cyan reef]

Polehammers are the one true weapon.

[rustic latch]

granted - there's a lot of variety in 1 already

[rustic latch]

lmao

we need a warhammer replacer for MW

<3

2h axes and blunt are just comical in MW

what's odd is that swords look downright reasonable in comparison

[cyan reef]

Replace every instance of the word, "Warhammer," with, "Polehammer."
Add warhammers into 1h blunt,alongside maces.

[rustic latch]

Mhmm. Yup. Just need good models

Interestingly enough, some of them can be left as is - daedric is fine

but others

bleugh

[cyan reef]

The wooden warhammer is just a damn mallet.

Or,is that iron?

[rustic latch]

steel and iron are too

[cyan reef]

One of the two.

[regal egret]

There are some in TD, but they're already implemented as something else

[rustic latch]

Do you have IDs, Fuji? Never seen those

[cyan reef]

The steel warhammer is more aping on the idea of a maul.
Which is a historical weapon... that was an immediate failure.

[regal egret]

T_Com_Iron_Longhammer_01

There's one for every material

[rustic latch]

yo, lemme check them out

[cyan reef]

Aah,the Longhammers. Spear class. Choppers.

[rustic latch]

yoooo

these are nice

[regal egret]

There's also
T_Com_Iron_Warhammer_01

Which are a bit smaller than vanilla

[rustic latch]

that's sensible in comparison

[cyan reef]

...That's an anvil on a pole.

[rustic latch]

It still looks better than vanilla

[regal egret]

Mighty strong to hold a whole city on a pole

[cyan reef]

Pfft.

[rustic latch]

but

you're right

i'm like 90% sure they've modeled it off a small anvil

[cyan reef]

Porting the Lucerne mesh and textures from Dark Souls/Elden Ring would probably be... overkill.

A roight an' proppa polehamma,dat.

[rustic latch]

like, literally

[cyan reef]

Though... you do wield it solely as a bec de corbin.

I am burdened with the knowledge of how weapons and armour should look and work.
A lot of fantasy designs as a result make me sad.

[rustic latch]

I am generally able to detach that knowledge from my enjoyment of the game

But.. yeah

[cyan reef]

You can get epic rule of cool stuff going without making a grossly oversized *thing,*though.

Gilding is your friend,in that regard.

Same with shape.

[rustic latch]

yup

[inner hare]

Anime and MMO BS are the worst 😫

[cyan reef]

Per exemplar,the Bloody Helice from Elden Ring.
It's a heavy thrusting sword class weapon. Basically,what if you gave a rapier or tuck the greatsword treatment.
The weapon class itself is nonsense,but you can easily see the vision.
And this specific one? The blade is shaped like an auger. It doesn't spin,thankfully. And that hilt is gold spangled.

Only improvement I could think to give this design is throw on a grip wrap.

[rustic latch]

Yeah, some golden wire will go a long way

[cyan reef]

That is a proper fantasy design without being overtly comical nonsense.

[inner hare]

I don't know what triggers me the most. Final Fantasy/Berserk-type swords or female "armor" in some games which looks like porn cosplay.

[cyan reef]

Berserk at least justifies the Dragonslayer. It was made as a *joke,*and nobody ever considered it to be a weapon until Guts grabbed it.

[inner hare]

Skyrim modding community seems to love this BS...

[cyan reef]

The Buster Sword,though... Eeh.

[inner hare]

https://youtu.be/pPPlW_sLoXM?si=RGgJR-QxZGXDNWy3

[cyan reef]

Pfft.

Dat edit.

[inner hare]

[cyan reef]

And thus,the Washing Pole was born.

[regal egret]

I like how he practices with it by just swinging it downward over and over again

[inner hare]

I've been FF-type BS hater since the age of 12.

Proud of it.

[cyan reef]

Final Fantasy sometimes has a clever fantasy weapon design. I'll always point as FF8's gunblades as an example for that.

[inner hare]

you probably know what I mean

[cyan reef]

Somewhat reasonably sized as a greatsword,at least Squall's models. They do NOT shoot bullets,as the in-game info will happily let you know. The trigger mechanism detonates a magical cartridge within the cylinder to briefly turn the thing into a vibroblade.

Seifer's gunblade,though... Yeah,no. Ergonomically nonviable.

[inner hare]

🤮

[cyan reef]

The Buster Sword gets some background info in Crisis Core,but it doesn't really justify the thing's size.

[regal egret]

DS3 Gael works really well, but he's also kinda huge

[rustic latch]

Sir, that's a desk

[cyan reef]

It used to be an executioner's sword.
He used and abused it so much,it snapped in half.

(Gael's,that is.)

[inner hare]

I think it helps when the designers still keep some weapon-to-wielder proportions and when the wielder is big themselves.

Malenia is sort of cool

https://tenor.com/view/malenia-elden-ring-eyebell-gif-18311144817978554143

and she is like 2,5 meters tall

demigod

[cyan reef]

And her sword,being a katana as long as she is tall,is actually not meant to be wielded by anyone except her,because it has no hilt and is designed to slot into her prosthesis.

It's called the Hand of Malenia for a reason.

[inner hare]

it's what players will see before being butchered over and over again

[tough juniper]

the lady can wield as she pleases

[inner hare]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-demigod-goddess-of-rot-general-radahn-radahn-gif-25330960

[tough juniper]

dude stop

i cant

[inner hare]

getting hard?

[tough juniper]

shes a hard one alright

[cyan reef]

"I am Malenia,Blade of Miquella. And never have I known defeat."

[tough juniper]

ok im gonna go have ashower

cold

[inner hare]

polish that sword

[cyan reef]

Hol' up,heading to the Scadu Realm to murder her brother.

[inner hare]

I've heard that there is Elden Ring animation coming. Wondering whether it will be shit.

[cyan reef]

As with all things: Wait and see.

[tough juniper]

yeah trying not tohave expectations about it is best.

[inner hare]

https://youtu.be/vrU8SRu2z_E?si=FIrwU8om6AtyIUGi if they kept such style, it could be impressive

[tough juniper]

still holding out hope for a bloodborne highschool anime "Byrgenwerth GX the early years"

[cyan reef]

facepalms

[tough juniper]

just me?

[cyan reef]

"For FUCK'S sake,Micolash,stop going on about eyes!"

[inner hare]

I have a very slim hope of Bloodborne on PC, but at this point it's pure copium.

[cyan reef]

By my understanding,because Japan Studio is dead,the rights to Bloodborne are in legal limbo.

[tough juniper]

hmm yeah idk. i think Miyazaki just wants to leave it as it is forever so it fades into legend

like a dream

[inner hare]

Bloodborne is in Sony's hands

[cyan reef]

The Hunter's Dream.

[regal egret]

It's live action, and no I have no idea how that is supposed to work

[kindred imp]

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/51609

do with it anything you want 🧐

[inner hare]

Same here. It will be hard to make it not look like shit.

as for warhammers, as previous discussion was about them... I'm sort of a fanboy. There are few things as satisfying as warhammer smack. I think that Bob Baratheon would agree, although Rhaegar probably would not.

I love Sunder btw

[cyan reef]

If my understanding is correct: Warhammers were very small weapons,typically used by cavaliers to fight from horse to horse once they draw against the enemy cavalier's flank to eliminate their primary weapon (Almost always a polearm) as a threat.

[inner hare]

warhammers were anti-armour weapons

[cyan reef]

And *boy howdy,*did they get the job done.

[inner hare]

1H ones

[inner hare]

usually

fantasy Dwarf warhammers is not sth used IRL

[tough juniper]

actually you can find them in hardware shops sometimes

[inner hare]

Wondering whether they were inspired by Ghal Maraz btw.

[tough juniper]

for putting in posts

[inner hare]

https://tenor.com/view/ghal-maraz-gif-7120420855724100844

[cyan reef]

...Sigmar,that's an anvil on a haft.

[tough juniper]

i wish i had a picture but it literally looked like that

[inner hare]

1H OP warhammer

summon the Elector Counts!

[tough juniper]

it was lik 150 bucks i almost bought it

oh yeah here we go, the "fencing maul"

[cyan reef]

Would a falcata be a long blade or short blade,in Morrowind's ecosystem?

[inner hare]

long

curved

swords

[cyan reef]

Falcatae curve forwards.

They're axes in disguise.

[inner hare]

curved... swords... I might have heard it somewhere...

would be cool to get a falx

I remember reading about them back in Rome Total War 1 days...

[cyan reef]

The Dacian falx and the Iberian falcata were weapons the Roman Legions feared.

For largely the same reason: They could sunder helms and shields.

Sure,the langschwert,rapier,katana,and falchion get the most airtime in media.

[inner hare]

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/factions_getai_units.html check out Thraikioi Rhomphaiaphoroi

[cyan reef]

But the swords that wrote history were things like the spatha,falcata,and falx.

[inner hare]

Gladius probably has the highest kill count, but it's pretty much stolen from the Iberians

as is Roman tradition

[cyan reef]

The Romans adapted everything they saw as a neat idea.

It's part of why they lasted so long.

[inner hare]

they give me Hlaalu vibes tbh

Romans, I mean

[cyan reef]

I believe that's Lorica Segmentata.

[inner hare]

yeah

but it's not what Romans used for most of the Republic's history

it's just what the media like

[cyan reef]

The kopis and spatha came after.

They needed something a little more versatile than a straight on thrusting sword. The kopis was briefly adopted as a falcata clone,capable of nasty chops and excellent thrusts,before being replaced by the spatha as a simpler to make compromise.

[inner hare]

he is wondering how his pauldrons would fare against the sword...

[tough juniper]

he doesn't look confident

[inner hare]

indeed

[cyan reef]

Dumb thought: Wouldn't weapons with complex guards be much better for N'Garde's combat model? Sabres and rapiers,largely.

[inner hare]

I don't even see any meaningful effect vs other weapon types in the table

how would a rapier fare against a battle axe?

better than a longsword?

Doubtful

[cyan reef]

You could more reliably cold stop the axe on that overbuilt guard.

Your wrist won't like it,though.

[inner hare]

or get your hand hurt

it's good vs other 1H stuff

imagine blocking a Dwarven Warhammer hit

or Daedric Claymore

[cyan reef]

Yeah,you don't block blunt weapons. You parry them,which means exploiting the lever your enemy is so graciously swinging at you with killing intent.

[inner hare]

yeah, which is why the parries are allowed

not useless

but a rapier wouldn't be my choice against a battle axe hit 🙂

I bet that Cyrus would find a way

he probably has 150 Long Blade, though

[cyan reef]

Rapiers are very long swords,considering their mass and the fact they're one-handed. Logically,you could just snipe the guy's hand,unless he has a proper poleaxe.

[tough juniper]

my choice against a battle axe hit is to not be in battle. war axes in general they. (pun incoming) .. 321 .. get under my skin!

seriously though, so rough

id rather the hammer

[inner hare]

yeah, but you would definitely like to use a claymore to parry the hit rather than a rapier 😉

[cyan reef]

To parry an axe,hammer,or mace with a rapier,you'd be lunging for the haft.

Get it against your guard and blade,and redirect.

[inner hare]

my body is ready

[cyan reef]

Moments like that is where a main gauche would be very nice,but Morrowind can't really do that.

[inner hare]

nice spam, guys. Useless for the mod, but I like those spam chats from time to time.

😄

[tough juniper]

it just shows were cozy with the mod. the same thing happened to get SD thread to those numbers

its vaguely pertinent .. 👀

[inner hare]

Arrean is suspiciously quiet. Maybe he is working or sleeping. When he gets back and sees all the useless unread messages, he will get an opportunity to post his cat meme 😄

[rustic latch]

I've been in the shower

[inner hare]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-crazy-shocked-surprised-flames-gif-16577214

[rustic latch]

And I'm happy to oblige:

[rustic latch]

To be quite honest. I welcome this thread being a hang-out too, not just the mod discussion

[toxic dagger]

Hey I got a question to you N'Garders , I'm just not sure if I understand this correctly

At 100 Block and 100 WeaponSkill. A weak parry blocks 100% of damage you're supposed to recieve?
If so, then at that point, what becomes the difference between a perfect parry and a weak parry ? the Stagger ?

[cinder gulch]

A fellow cool channel enjoyer

[rustic latch]

Stagger, skill gain( if you're using SE it still matters), lower fatigue cost and lower durability loss

[toxic dagger]

Interesting, thanks, this will help me balance it how i'd like

[inner hare]

I'm of the opinion that SD thread should have been at least temporarily closed 101 responses ago

[rustic latch]

And even at 100/100 consecutive weak parries will tire you out and you will get damaged

But yeah - at that point you're basically martial arts god, so enjoy the fruits of building up your character

[toxic dagger]

So low fatigue makes you block less damage ?

[rustic latch]

you've missed the 9 and 10 k marks in there :P

[rustic latch]

yes, and makes your perfect parry window shorter

and a bunch of other things

[toxic dagger]

Okay then I might not have to change much in the script settings.
Would it be wise to mention this in the nexus page ?

[inner hare]

I've been a SD enjoyer back then as well

[rustic latch]

Wiki is linked on nexus

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-8662632631608934966

https://gitlab.com/Arrean/openmwluaparry/-/wikis/home

[toxic dagger]

I'm blind

roleplaying moth priests yk yk

[rustic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-now-tts-if-the-emperor-tts-emperor-warhammer40k-gif-27571095

[rustic latch]

Seriously though - default settings are quite extensively tested and balanced

If you want to make it easier or harder for yourself -that's why they exist

but default preset should be fine

You can quite seriosly punch up with n'garde install. Making content that was previously not doable - doable

but

[inner hare]

if you use a mod that overhauls Fatigue, you may want to change Fatigue-related values in the setting. Otherwise, default should be fine.

[rustic latch]

quite some NPCs may give you alot of trouble

[toxic dagger]

Yeah now that i know that fatigue matters, they do seem like it
I think I'll just remove the scaling fatigue drain and add it to the base fatigue drain, seeing as there's plenty of sources of fatigue regen in the game

[rustic latch]

Umbra got hands

[toxic dagger]

And because I'm a potion hoarder

[rustic latch]

Alma's Hands ordinators also - those things are scary

[toxic dagger]

Can't wait for this fight with Ngarde honestly

[rustic latch]

I think I'll just remove the scaling fatigue drain and add it to the base fatigue drain, seeing as there's plenty of sources of fatigue regen in the game
that's fair. That drain is for holding the guard though, not for parry itself

[inner hare]

I'm thinking about making a small addon to cover some annoying gaps that other big mods seem to ignore, e.g. I don't like it that Golden Saints have 50 attribute value for almost everything, it seems kind of an afterthought.

[rustic latch]

That's a good call

[inner hare]

there are other small annoyances as well, e.g. if I switch Weakness and Fire Damage priority in Almalexia's spell, her dmg potential will increase by 75% even with the first spell hit

[rustic latch]

I still need to get alma's animation working. Still not sure what I'm doing wrong

[inner hare]

oh yeah, that seems important

for those 0,1% of players who play Tribunal

🤡

[rustic latch]

still - imagine the comments

And I got vivec working, even without a weapon - he's way above the Iron Palm threshold

[inner hare]

yeah, he is a god

chimming

[cyan reef]

I think staves might not hit hard enough to be worth using for bonks...

[simple bone]

Staves swing fast and have good enchant potential. They're similar to Daggers/Shortswords in that they're usually Cast On Strike delivery mechanisms

[tough juniper]

what do you reckon you need to to get that working? like do you need a certain kind of key or is it just calling any anim and you want something smooth to try to avoid jank?

[inner hare]

and much higher reach

staves are good

usually they have rather low weight as well

compared to 2H weapons

[rustic latch]

So, see. That's my problem - I don't exactly understand the process of adding an animation to a creature, their animations are usually stitched into the nif.

So do I need the full nif? Do I put it into meshes/w/h/a/t/e/v/e/r whatever that stupid dir structure is? Doesn't seem to work. And I'm not sure why

[cyan reef]

Swinging fast means shit for dick if you're only doing one damage a bop and your enchantment fizzles out after five hits.

[rustic latch]

And if I don't - i don't seem to be able to force it to play

as if the animation group is not even there

however. I have half an idea

which I'm going to try

the keys - as long as there's a start and stop I can at least rename to what I need so thats not an issue

[simple bone]

Increase your Enchant level, get more use out of charge. Also try the "Staves!" mod lets staves do stuff like Fatigue Damage and chance to restore Charge on hit

[inner hare]

staves are sort of like spears, but lighter, faster, less damaging and with more enchant capacity. Play to their strengths and you will raise high, outlander.

https://tenor.com/view/jesse-enkamp-karate-nerd-bo-kobudo-kata-gif-25702421

[tough juniper]

yeah the way everything is stitched together in the nif makes me think it needs to be like that so probably fitting it in with the rest is the most likely

[rustic latch]

yah. no clue. so two things i tried.

1. put files you got me under meshes/r/
2. put files you got me under animations/xalmelexia_warrior

tried playing the animation on her using the groupname that is currently on keys - completely nothing, same command can play other animations so it's not that.

I've tried several permutations of filenames. dir names etc

no dice

I see animation in nifskope - it's there. I just am blanking on how exactly to add it

also, the fuckign typo in the name of her mesh is driving me nuts, but it's

[tough juniper]

lmao ikr

[rustic latch]

this is what once of the mods that replaces her looks like

so - that should work

but I dunno, seemd dumb

[tough juniper]

yeah theres no reason a replacer shouldnt work, i think it just needs to have her full set all in together

[torn crown]

No idea if you would be interested, but I could potentially port some of Mount and Blade's weapon models over to MW, which are fairly realistic. I just fucking loathe messing with the creation kit and properly sizing them in blender.

[rustic latch]

I mean, that's fraught with problems - would be fun, but a no-go on nexus. Can't release mod with assets from another game

[torn crown]

I should rephrase that, its open source models from fan projects often used in mount and blade mods. Its not the original models from Warband lol.

[rustic latch]

oh

that's much better

but then - I mean - it's a bit out of scope of what I'm doing. Why don't you package and release it yourself - I'll be interested, but since you'll be doing all the work - it's up to you :D

[torn crown]

They are fairly ubiquitous in every module that has any sort of western setting. Armor is much the same but thats even more of a pain due to needing to be split up, weighted and so on.

[rustic latch]

Those axes do look good

[torn crown]

I would love to but EMT/Firefighter academy plus work has me so busy I cant even play lmao.

[rustic latch]

Completely fair

But then you won't have time to port them either :P

In any case - I very much appreaciate the offer, but really I don't know if you need my blessing - cause I lack the skills to convert them myself

[torn crown]

I do too for the most part. Genuinely pretty annoying and I would love for someone to do all the hard shit if I just convert them into a .nif. I would genuinely commission someone to do so after school is over.

By the way, I just realized. Morrowing doesn't have any absurdly long two handed melee weapons that ARENT spears does it?

Other then I think Chrysemere.

[rustic latch]

well, staves

but yeah, just two handed swords mostly

[torn crown]

I forgot all about those. I genuinely didnt even register that they were a thing

[rustic latch]

They very much are, and good in their own niche

and I had to make animations for them :P

[rustic latch]

Argh... This is silly:

[cyan reef]

As someone currently using staves: If you're not an enchanter,don't touch them.

[rustic latch]

theoretically if we place a kf file into Animations/xalmelexia_warrior/ it should be loaded.

@tough juniper , do you still have the blend file for almalexia?

[cyan reef]

Their damage values are atrocious. They're highly enchantable,meaning you're meant to give them meaty Cast on Strike enchantments. Which will only fire off five times before needing a recharge,unless you have a high enchanting level to make it more efficient.

[tough juniper]

yeah im just looking at it

[rustic latch]

can you send it to me please?

[tough juniper]

sure, my cropped down one, yeah?

[rustic latch]

yeah

[rustic latch]

Danke

[tough juniper]

macht nichts

[rustic latch]

nope

no dice

there should be a way to get just the kf and get it to play the same way we do for normal actors

I'll see if I can do anything tomorrow.

FUCK YEAH

Now I need to figure out which part of what I did actually did it

lmao

It may be more than one thing.

However, what I now understand for sure, and in retrospect it's obvious -

her mesh is in meshes/r/ in bsa

hence her animation should live in Animations/r/xalmalexia_warrior/

Now to figure out which of these worked

but goblins are back on the menu, bois

Bad news too, the nif/kf files that you've sent me originally don't work even like this

no idea why

However, a set re-exported as 3rd person using bizzare plugin works, and that one also has exported straight, without that weird lean

it's alive

@tough juniper good news for when you wake up ^. Imma go to bed now

So it was two things - no clue what's wrong with the orignal nif/kf, but they didn't work.

Re-exported using G7's plugin separately, and via Max's Plugin - both work, but one exported via G7's exporter has weird lean to it.

Only need the kf file - meaning this will compatible with any replacers, as long as they don't alter the skeleton too much

And had to be placed in a correct directory,Animations/r/xalmelexia_warrior/ in the mod dir.
|| that typo is fucking driving me nuts, but I won't need to look at it anymore||.

I'll tweak the animation speed, and pretty sure I can use it as is, it's a bit slow right now - over a second from start to stop, needs to be ~250ms to be in line with others

Oh, actually. Tweaking the animation speed may be annoying. May have to compress it in blender

[tough juniper]

legendary, thats gonna be fun haha idfk if something is wrong with my blender install but damn its good to see it work anyway. here's some late night goblin stuff in celebration

[quick obsidian]

@rustic latch thank you for motivating me to learn a little bit of lua for this, it was surprisingly simple https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58925

[tough juniper]

Ohh the bsa....

I see now

It all makes sense

I really need to do more reading, did you find that from the docs?

[rustic latch]

Nice

One note though - you don't make a distinction between melee and ranged attacks, but exclude bows/crossbows from processing

[rustic latch]

Basically. I put 2 and 2 together after reading how "use additional animation sources" is documented

[rustic latch]

btw, if you want it to work with n'garde glancing blows mode - load it after ngarde. Cause I flip "successful" flag to true in a glancing blow

[simple bone]

Man... if I wasn't a staff wielding mage in this playthrough, I half want to beeline through the EEC and get Bullish and Bearish for this...

It's literally a rapier and buckler

[rustic latch]

Nice

Buckler may be a bit weird with current shield animation though

Rapier on its own should fire, however

Staff should be quite useful anyway - it has some nice bonuses

[simple bone]

Honestly doesn't look too bad

[simple bone]

Oh I'm aware, but the fashion

[rustic latch]

lmao yeah

[inner hare]

So this one doesn't require an engine fork? 😉

[rustic latch]

Nope

[inner hare]

The previous mod got engine fork flagged as suspicious by Nexus

[rustic latch]

lmao

They actually may be legit

found their MR:
https://gitlab.com/OpenMW/openmw/-/merge_requests/5315#note_3328204080

Jumping a gun a bit imo with pushing it to nexus, but they've included it as demo in the MR, so again, checks out. We may see "skill use failure events" in the main soon^tm

[inner hare]

Nexus probably flagged it because of file type

[rustic latch]

It has literally the entire game in there

libs, binaries and all

it probably can't scan the binary files

or considers some of them "dangerous" for a mod, while it's a perfectly benign lib that is just doing stuff mods are not usually doing

This is a bit of a relief tbf. While "unspecifed fork" mod was funny - looks like it's a fresh contributor doing their thing and doing it properly on the engine side

[inner hare]

it's pretty much a flex to be like: I wanted sth done, so I changed the engine

[rustic latch]

Yup

[quick obsidian]

based ngl

well at least the combats are sorted out for now until the MR gets approved

[cyan reef]

Which EEC branch? Or is this a quest reward?

[simple bone]

Old Ebonheart - getting both requires requires setting up the best possible trade situation between the EEC and Indoril in the alternate path for their last quest

[cyan reef]

And how's "best possible" defined here? Mutually beneficial? Or maximum exploitation?

We're dealing with a crown monopoly here.

[simple bone]

Yes

Spoilers for the route, but it explains what you need to do

[cyan reef]

Complex. But I love the skill checks.

[cyan reef]

Hmm. Maybe my staff enchantment to simulate H2H knockouts was a bad idea. Maybe I should replace this with an Absorb Health and Absorb Fatigue enchantment.

[inner hare]

Those are great effects, but serve a different function.

[simple bone]

My almighty Bonk Stick made from the Wabbajack - it kinda trivialises the game, but this character's story is finishing soon

And I have over 110 Enchant, so I only consume 1 charge per use

[cyan reef]

The knockout enchantment has no immediate effect,is the key issue. Sure,it's incredibly powerful... After the terminal threshold is crossed.
Currently,my Enchant skill is too low to allow that to happen,due to charge efficiency.

[rustic latch]

Bleugh. BIg refactor is mostly done and functional. Arrow deflect works and Almalexia parries with fearsome effeciency

Trying to figure out why I can't seem to add extra bones to play sparks on her parries, and will take a look at gobbos probably tomorrow

@hard tree , I see you've been talking to G7 about extra bones for addVFX at one point - what did end up working for you?

[tough juniper]

Sick

We added it through blender but had to add the properties after in nifscope

[cyan reef]

Considering that Almalexia is the Warrior of ALMSIVI,I'm amazed you can sneak a blow past her defences at all.

[rustic latch]

She just has 100 in combat skills

her hands are more dangerous

[simple bone]

Does she have high enough skills to deflect arrows then?

[rustic latch]

yeah

[simple bone]

Oh boy

[rustic latch]

100 block and 100 longblade

[tough juniper]

I was considering doing the parry with her hand lol

[rustic latch]

since she is a creature it's actually one stat - "CombatSkill"

so all her combat skills are 100

[simple bone]

Marksmen was traditionally the counter to Block because arrows couldn't be blocked in Vanilla - and was my go-to to kill Almalexia because killing her with spells is hard

But now, woof, that's gonna be fun

[rustic latch]

Had to squeeeze the animation Dubious provided in blender to 15 frames, and set framerate to 30 ( you had it at 24, btw)

[simple bone]

She was already one of the hardest fights in the game, but honestly, making her even more of a challenge is great

[tough juniper]

I still don't know how to change it

[rustic latch]

her parry animation is actually slightly slower than equivalent for normal enemies, by about 20 ms, but I can't be arsed to redo that

[simple bone]

It's more of the fact that she can parry, on top of her fearsome statistics - I can't wait to make a duelist and face her

[cyan reef]

Orsimer who's a devil with a zweihander,Orsimer who's a devil with a rapier,or something else...?

[inner hare]

Doubtful as they have no spells and much much less HP.

[rustic latch]

I've been testing a bit too much with tribunal main quest reforged

fuckers do have spells hp, and 160+ in each skill

[inner hare]

Well, modded is a different story

[rustic latch]

well yeah

[inner hare]

You can make a mod that gives Alma 255 as well

[rustic latch]

I honestly just forgot what they are like in vanilla

all my interactions with Tribunal recently are testign to fix that scripted fight

[inner hare]

Strong, OP even

But so is Alma

[simple bone]

Damn, discord struggling again

[inner hare]

Yeah

[rustic latch]

Why 255? It's not limited by 2^8

[inner hare]

It's what Vanilla CS used for max IIRC

[simple bone]

And of course, wielding

[inner hare]

But you can do whatever

[simple bone]

She hits like a TRUCK even in Vanilla

[inner hare]

And yeah, Alma is a freak

[simple bone]

But that's TES3 DLC for you

Castle Kaarstag Werewolves

[inner hare]

I will edit that spell by switching order of Weakness and Fire Dmg and add Weakness to Shock...

[rustic latch]

ah, makes sense

[cyan reef]

I believe her melee damage is 100 + Weapon.
Which is... Holy fuck,over.

[inner hare]

Gaenor gets Luck via ability

[simple bone]

Honestly, Almalexia is one of only 2 NPC's that have really scared me with their spell

[rustic latch]

Understandable

[inner hare]

She is a Creature

Fits the bitch better

[simple bone]

The other is Fainurin of Sunhold in Ashurbipal - in Shipal-Shin

I don't know WHAT he cast, but it oneshot me several times through 50% magica, Frost, Fire, and Shock resist with 180 health

And I mean instant death, not over a duration

[inner hare]

spells in modded games tend to be scarier. Vanilla has a ton of trash spells.

[rustic latch]

One of the most ugly ass fantasy weapons I ever saw

Another being trueflame

[simple bone]

I have a love-hate relation with those

[rustic latch]

fuck I probably hate those two swords more than tribunal sewer levels

[simple bone]

My first ever experience of magical weapons sheathed in elemental energy

But they're so ugly

And Trueflame has a slow as fuck swing speed too

[rustic latch]

It's not even elemental

so dumb fuck writer decided that it's "eternal dwemer tar"

for the enchantment

it's not fucking magic

fuck that noise

[inner hare]

Let's not go so far

[rustic latch]

lmao

[simple bone]

I like the model of Hopesfire more than Trueflame - WHY IS THE HILT BLADED

And that insane curve is just

[cyan reef]

Trueflame is... Bleh. Hopesfire looks so much nicer.

[simple bone]

Trueflame is an edgelord weapon

[cyan reef]

Now,if Trueflame were instead falcata-shaped...

[inner hare]

OMG Trueflame is garbage

Hopesfire is ok

[cyan reef]

Hopesfire's shape is somewhere between scimitar and khopesh.

[frosty gyro]

trueflame is very "coolest shit i've ever seen in the year 2002" I'm pretty fond of it

[simple bone]

Kriegsmesser Trueflame when

[cyan reef]

While that would be dope,I think a more prominently curved blade would be a better twin to Hopesfire.

Thus,falcata.

[simple bone]

I know they were supposed to be wedding gifts for Nerevar and Almalexia - but I've always preferred the imagery of Nerevar with the spear

[cyan reef]

You can find Nerevar's axe (Where was this mentioned in lore?) in Tamriel Rebuilt.

[rustic latch]

I mean

[frosty gyro]

Given the whole "stabbing a heart at the end of the game" thing I'm inclined to agree

[simple bone]

One of my fave weapons for an Axe character

[simple bone]

They look so... energy weapon - not sure if I like it or hate it

[rustic latch]

that's the enchanted versions

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/57363?tab=posts

[cyan reef]

Hopesfire looks like an ebony weapon,in vanilla. Trueflame looks... utterly unique. Can't tell if it's supposed to be steel,Dwemer,or ebony.

[simple bone]

I think the other thing about them that I'm not that much of a fan of is that... they don't look Dwemer enough, even if we consider that they were built in more of a Chimer style for them, they don't feel like they match any existing aesthetic. Beyond Hopesfire looking somewhat Ebony

[inner hare]

Why is one a short blade?

[rustic latch]

That mod is based on this redesign concept

trueflame is shorter

both are long enough, it's just that hopesfire is stupid long

https://old.reddit.com/r/Morrowind/comments/1coe9ls/trueflame_and_hopesfire_redesign/

[inner hare]

I don't think Hopesfire look better here at all

[rustic latch]

Imo it does

anything is an improvement over the original

[cyan reef]

...Am I wrong in saying they look like something Travis Touchdown would wield?

[rustic latch]

they both still look stupid, but that's a testament to how bad original design was

I mean:....

[cyan reef]

It at least looks like a sword.

[inner hare]

Nope. Not that thing. Trueflame - yes, but I'm not amazed, either. It's just that Vanilla is trash.

[cyan reef]

As I already noted,somewhere in between scimitar and khopesh.

[inner hare]

This is ok.

[rustic latch]

And then this piece of shit:

[cyan reef]

Yeetus deleetus Trueflame.

[simple bone]

Skyrim butchered it just as much in Creation Kit fashion

[inner hare]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-is-this-piece-of-shit-joe-pesci-gif-8346689911295826250

[cyan reef]

Creation Club. But yes.

[kindred imp]

warcraft ahh sword

[simple bone]

Then in ESO it looks way too small, the blade is better, but the bladed hilt is still awful

[rustic latch]

Still prefer the remake

[inner hare]

I need to find a good replacer because this is unacceptable.

[simple bone]

Honestly, seeing as they're the "pinnacle of Dwemeri craftsmanship" I would love to see them more crystalline like Keening

[cyan reef]

Hopesfire,IMO,is inoffensive in its current state.
Trueflame needs a complete redesign,though.
Making it a falcata,I think,would allow it to retain an exotic shape without being total early 00's edgelord nonsense. And permit a bladed guard without being a joke.

[rustic latch]

I mean I like this

[inner hare]

I would leave Hopesfire alone

[simple bone]

Make their enchantments more reminiscent of tonal magics, as opposed to "flaming oil" and "somehow electrical fire"

[inner hare]

I like the lights

Make them unique

[simple bone]

Yeah, same

[inner hare]

This is pure garbage.

They would have to pay me to use this and I might still refuse

A man has standards

[simple bone]

Agreed

Of the "official" models, I do think that ESO's for once is the least egregious

[rustic latch]

That's not a high bar

[simple bone]

Exactly

[inner hare]

Maybe Trueflame should be flaming falcata

[cyan reef]

THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING!

[rustic latch]

So which one of you is making new model?

[simple bone]

Dibs not it, I only know lua :^)

[cyan reef]

Vadryn's Staff of Arbitrage...
Eventually.
Gotta get back to an enchanter to make it for me.

[inner hare]

ok, Nexus gave me 11 results for Trueflame. None of the them look that good IMO.

hey @tough juniper maybe you can make Trueflame that doesn't suxx?