N'Garde. Vanilla-Friendly Parry and Active Block.

[inner hare]

as if you were getting grinded down during those weak blocks

combat feeling is already quite good

[rustic latch]

Mmmmmaybe. Thing with that is there's no prolonged contact

[inner hare]

Yeah but maybe if sounds become louder and more "desperate", it may be enough

it may also easily end up being something that only sounds (hehe) nice on paper, though 😅

I guess that similar concept could apply for weapon parries. Slick deflect-like sound for high efficiency and sth sounding more like a proper hit for weak efficiency.

[rustic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/thonk-thinking-sun-thonk-sun-thinking-sun-gif-14999983

[inner hare]

https://www.epidemicsound.com/sound-effects/tracks/36a1e68e-0446-428f-bfc8-f4be2021cc85/ maybe those "sliding" sounds could be used in some way. At least for blades.

[rustic latch]

I don't have a great ear for sfx... So far none of these "clicked". But i'll keep looking for a bit

[rustic latch]

[kindred imp]

[rustic latch]

not a reader, a writer

@here
I'm getting sporadic reports of the hotkey not working after being assigned.
Needing to save and reload the game for it to stick. Am confused and can't replicate even after I've wiped my OMWInputBindings completely.

Did anyone experience anything like that?

[tough juniper]

hotkeys are cursed in general, but yours worked fine for me

probably a different mod messing with it

[rustic latch]

🤷‍♂️ No idea

[misty phoenix]

I had to reload the save for it to work

Someone just posted a mod with alternative sounds for parry

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58759

I haven't tried it, though

[fading crystal]

Been using this mod since… well sometime before the message count here reached 1k I'd wager lol
Set the hotkey once and haven't had an issue since. Did require a reload after setting if I recall.

[copper raft]

"balancing~" and its probably the only skill that I rather not had been chance-based

[copper raft]

Oh hey thas me. I think there's some trouble with the perfect parry sound not working right now though. Could just be my load order so Ill look into it

[rustic latch]

Weird... meaning if it's an issue on my end it's not something recent. But also weird that it only happens for some people

[rustic latch]

Fair to you. I've checked it out and I don't think I vibe with those, but if people prefer them - sure

[toxic dagger]

Woke up today to find this lol. Idk if you folks talked about it here or not but that was unexpected

[rustic latch]

Ugh....
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/the-elder-scrolls/new-morrowind-mod-not-only-adds-sekiro-parry-it-quietly-overhauls-the-rpgs-most-controversial-mechanic/

[toxic dagger]

YO

[rustic latch]

yeah, was about to post it

lmao

Am in "WTF" stage

barely woke up myself

[toxic dagger]

Lmao

Same here

And I usually never click on the bloatware "news" notifications that I get

Are you famous now Arrean ?

[rustic latch]

lmao

😅

[toxic dagger]

Soon enough you'll start getting recognised on the street

"Are you the N'Garde guy ??"

[tough juniper]

Bro

Wtf

[rustic latch]

I don't know

I only have "wtf" in my head rn too

doesn't seem real

[amber spindle]

Congratulations!

[tough juniper]

Pthbthb I mean yeah!

[inner hare]

😮

[tough juniper]

Just holy crap

Wow

Y'know?

But like yeah, too right

[rustic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-the-simpsons-static-gif-18573539

I mean.. sdfjghsdkjfghdsfjk

[maiden tangle]

"Taken together, this combination of feedback and functionality could even result in more fun melee combat than in Morrowind's successors, Oblivion and Skyrim." The guy is right you know ❤️

[tough juniper]

Yeah its a good article, well thought out

[maiden tangle]

I agree! Todd should pay you now because you fixed his game. And he could start re-releasing Morrowind now instead of the 13473th version of Skyrim

[tough juniper]

All the sky babies will be coming to check it out now lol the food gate are open

[cinder gulch]

Oh shit that's wild hahaha

[rustic latch]

*static noise*

[maiden tangle]

I love Skyrim, can't argue about that... but I cringed by reading this title.

[rustic latch]

[tough juniper]

Calling them "glancing blows" was the key

Pure genius

[copper raft]

Ah yeah, I think I even went in the opposite direction of what your sfx intend. You made perfect parrying a loud impactful action. I went for making it a quick little cling

[copper raft]

holy-

[rustic latch]

Think that name was Max's idea

And so far it is only renamed in the docs

so credit where it's due

[maiden tangle]

Ongbal should do a Morrowind boss rush now, because of the existence of N'Garde. Even if it would just be a meme video

[rustic latch]

Yeah, that's an old article - morrowind net space was up in arms about it several months ago

[maiden tangle]

I see. Maybe because of Oblivion Remastered, people thought about a remastered Morrowind too?

[rustic latch]

yeah, exactly

[copper raft]

The guy that quote comes from is also the same guy who wrote the oblivion thieves guild, that might give you a clear picture of his attitude to older games

[rustic latch]

I mean..

Oblivion Thieves Guild is one of the better quests in oblivion

[hearty scroll]

Congratulations huhu

[rustic latch]

Merci, still a little shellshocked about it

[hearty scroll]

Ahah I bet

Just noticed about 10% of views have downloaded the mod huhu

[rustic latch]

Yeah, am very happy about that. Good ratio for nexus, I think

[tough juniper]

Very good, and the endorsement ratio is still super high too. Its really struck a chord

[misty phoenix]

I honestly think this mod will be making more people get into Morrowind, since it improves possibly the most infamous part of the game

[rustic latch]

Anecdotally, I have a friend, younger than me by a couple years. Never played morrowind for any length of time - , after I've shown him the mod - he installed the game

We'll see if he sticks to it

[hearty scroll]

the two main critiques people who either don't want to try or give up very quickly on TES III seem to be the combat, and the reading

[rustic latch]

Yeah, though the latter one is weird to me

I guess I grew up with RPGs where there's more reading yet

[misty phoenix]

Yeah, unfortunately, I think modern internet content is not helping with people not giving up because of the reading

[hearty scroll]

I mean, different people work differently. I don't like voicing TES III personally, but I like that it exists for people who struggle focusing through reading. It's an accessibility feature.

I know a guy who likes books, but struggles with reading a full one, or too long in a row. He processes audio info easier than reading it. I'm the opposite, couldn't get through an audiobook to save my life. To each their own

[young aspen]

This could be the most consequential elder scrolls mod since schlongs of Skyrim

[hearty scroll]

Having watched a first time let's play recently also made me realise that the game doesn't do a great job of explaining itself to new players - especially since it's now an old game so players now have different references and expectations.
Like, a small information on mouse hovering for stuff like "what does "magnitude" do on a levitation spell?" or "what does "sound" effect does?", "wth is "divine intervention"?" or even showing some references for chances to hit/miss attacks, this sort of things that players have to discover by trial and error currently.

[inner hare]

Hey, so is this that new 100% hit chance mod I've been hearing about? Gamepad support covered?

[rustic latch]

[kindred imp]

Having watched a first time let's play recently also made me realise that the game doesn't do a great job of explaining itself to new players
Well duh, the game was designed to be played while reading the manual

[rustic latch]

^ Cause you'd have time for that during all the "cell loading" and loadscreens

🤷‍♂️

[hearty scroll]

right, always forget about that. Never had it personally, discovered it too late huhu

[inner hare]

Iron Dagger. Destroyer of noobs.

[rustic latch]

I remember playing the game on a family pc that had iirc 384 MB of ram.

3 load screens running from balmora gates to Caius' house

well, "load screens" - "loading cells"

[hearty scroll]

tbh I have no memory of my first time playing.
I know I enjoyed the game, but didn't play much. Was shortly before Oblivion release, and I had never been found of early 3D games (always thought it was a downgrade from 2D visuals and didn't understand the hype of the late 90s/early 2000s). I found vanilla Morrowind ugly, my friend who introduced it to me didn't understand and told me it was considered great when it released.
It did make me hyped for Oblivion; played it, hated the leveling and auto-generated content, liked the character models and the DB and TG questlines, disliked the MQ. Discovered mods, tinkered it and played a while, then went back to Morrowind, this time with mods, and stayed there huhu

[inner hare]

Imagine MW Remastered on UE, with AI gen look, all the old jank, both old and new bugs and of course, quest markers and Skyrim-style fast travel as new default feature

[hearty scroll]

could be worse. Imagine Oblivion-style fast travel instead 😂

[inner hare]

And these Oblivion-style conversations, with same jank...

• I saw a cliff racer the other day.
• Indeed.
• I've heard others say the same.
• Take care.

[misty phoenix]

And nowadays it's played while reading the UESP

[tough juniper]

Nowadays we have Quest Guider and Skyrim style quest markers, someone could finish the game without ever reading a word

[inner hare]

Seriously, if I managed to play and understand most of the game at the age of 12, I don't think it's beyond the capability of an average gamer.

[tough juniper]

Yeah but some people are averse to effort. 12 year olds can be pretty damn focused if their into something

[hearty scroll]

Agreed, some will not put in the effort. And tbf, they don't have to, their loss. I suspect someone playing with quest markers and not reading anything will not have a great experience, other games surely are better suited, but who knows? Some might still enjoy it somehow

[rustic latch]

Eh. Live and let die

[hearty scroll]

Morrowind feels like it sits halfway between CRPG and ARPG. I'm not convinced it's a great game on the purely ARPG side.

[rustic latch]

Imma let others do what they want, as long as it's not hurting anybody but themselves

[rustic latch]

Yeah, the writing, the world and other parts of game loop are its strong suit

not action

[maiden tangle]

True, but now you've change that 😎

[rustic latch]

😅

[hearty scroll]

Man I really can't wait to try this out

[rustic latch]

You didn't yet?

[hearty scroll]

I have an older, heavily modded instal, making it compatible would require enough changes that I'm waiting for my next full reinstal

[rustic latch]

Which mods conflict?

Cause it generally should be fine to add, except for the need to update SE

[hearty scroll]

Would need to check it all out, but first obvious one is NCGD (before it was split into SE and NCG, which, in turn, has new dependencies that I'm lacking)

[rustic latch]

Ah, but it shouldn't conflict I think

NCGD doesn't have an interface like SE does

so ngarde will just ignore it

iirc

[hearty scroll]

ohhhh the new interface was the conflic?

yeah I don't have stats window extender on this old instal

[rustic latch]

local function registerHandlers()
    if I.SkillEvolution and I.SkillEvolution.addOnHitHandler then
        logging:status("registering SE onHitHandler")
        I.SkillEvolution.addOnHitHandler(onHitHandler)
    else
        logging:status("registering regular onHitHandler")
        I.Combat.addOnHitHandler(onHitHandler)
    end
    I.SkillProgression.addSkillLevelUpHandler(skillLevelUpHandler)
end

^ this

If skill evolution exists- I hook into it

and we interop

it needs SE 1.9.8

but if SE is not there - I just use vanilla onHitHandler

I don't think NCGD would have an interface of the same name

hence it should be safe

[hearty scroll]

Then I'll give it a try and pray I don't have anything that could conflict (hundreds of mods that I haven't touched in a while, don't remember all that's in there)

[rustic latch]

Disable "Shields Up" if you have it, but otherwise - should be fine

[hearty scroll]

never used Shield's up, so that's one less worry 🙂

[rustic latch]

Let me know how it goes

[maiden tangle]

@rustic latch Hope I won't ask too many questions a second time after Billie's french translation. I'm currently doing the german translation and wanted to know what excactly do you wanted to point out with the sentence "Vanilla block doesn't block on-strike effects."?
With "Vanilla" you meant the original unmodded Morrowind automatic block mechanic, right? Because I would try to phrase it like this in german then.
Even though I had french in school, I should be better at reading it... Still I also take some inspiration from Billie's translating approach. Read that it was phrased this way "La parade ne bloque pas les enchantements automatiques dans le jeu original."

[rustic latch]

Je ne parlais pas francais :P

However, what that phrase means:

In vanilla game when autoblock is triggered - you still get damage by an on-strike enchantment of the enemy weapon

vanilla being "generally accepted term" for "unmodded game"

"standard flavour"

[hearty scroll]

I took it as "unmodded game", to compare the mod's behaviour to vanilla behaviour. I used "original game" since "vanilla" isn't that much used in french

[rustic latch]

I somehow dropped that phrase entirely in the Ukrainian translation file 🤣

[maiden tangle]

Yeah, I know about the vanilla term and it doesn't have a direct german translation either, so I'll go for "unmodded" or "original" Morrowind too.

[rustic latch]

base-game or something yeah

[maiden tangle]

Jiup

The translating process is not as easy as I assumed. But fun, hence the challenge haha

[rustic latch]

Oh yeah

Completely separate skillset from just learning the language

You always think "oh, it's just one page of text, how hard could it be" - quite hard it turns out

[hearty scroll]

that line is the one that required me to look up how "on strike" "on cast" etc.. enchants were named in french version of the game. It was surprisingly difficult to find, and I was dissapointed to see how wordy the french description was -_-'

[hearty scroll]

Took a class of "french for translation" from the english license curriculum, back in uni. first test of the semester showed us how bad we actually were at french ^^'

[rustic latch]

Yup, know exactly how that feels

[maiden tangle]

My sister in law works as a lector says "Translating is an art form!". She is especially pissed when reading AI translated texts 😅

[rustic latch]

I can imagine

[hearty scroll]

I bet huhu

[strong lynx]

But like why? Realism?

[inner hare]

Yeah. Would feel more natural and make backward jumps harder for kiting.

[strong lynx]

Do you know of some good free sources for realistic or semi realistic weapon impact sounds on different materials (armors)?

Freesound is trash

[inner hare]

Unfortunately, I have little experience here 🙁

[strong lynx]

Ah antikiting cheese, yea i can see that

Although i personally wouldve also/rather debuffed player speed during casting/drawing a bow for that purpose

If they still kite after that - they deserve it for leveling their stats right

[hearty scroll]

Sorry, won't be testing it just yet. Ran into trouble trying to add the mod (not related to ngarde, dw), don't feel like investing hours into troubleshooting when I will make a new full install soonish anyway

[rustic latch]

Fair and understandable

[hearty scroll]

this is frustrating, still 😅

[hearty scroll]

OK I had an idea so I had o try before giving up. It worked.
So, N'garde working fine so far as I could tell on a new game. Worked as soon as I assigned key. Using OpenMW 0.50. Endorsed 👍

[rustic latch]

Excellent!

Thank you for letting me know, and hope you enjoy it!

To anyone passing by, btw. Please vote here, I need this info:
#1482416741077356692 message

[waxen cliff]

.arrean

Linked by @​.arrean from #N'Garde. Vanilla-Friendly Parry and Active Block. 1.0 · Apr 27, 2026, 11:06 PM

[hearty scroll]

I only tested it against mudcrabs and in addamarsus-whatever spelling the first cave has for humanoid opponents. Managed to land a few staggers, parries spark and clank, feels good 😄

[rustic latch]

Nice

btw, if parrying creatures feels silly - there's a setting for that

[hearty scroll]

I'll leave as is for now, good to know it can be changed if I ever feel like it, cheers

[pastel vine]

I have noticed that when using the increased flee gmst from HBFS that sometimes actors stutter and/or shake. It seems they still try to parry?

[rustic latch]

Hmmm

[inner hare]

yeah, I made a similar report last week

[rustic latch]

Did you?

[inner hare]

it's either that or Mercy

interacting with N'Garde

[rustic latch]

I completely missed it

[pastel vine]

It's not mercy. I currently don't have installed for testing

[inner hare]

you said that you don't do anything with Fleeing

[rustic latch]

Ah, I think it was more than a week ago

[inner hare]

maybe you should prevent any parrying if the actor is fleeing

[rustic latch]

but

fleeing is not "in combat" isn't it?

or is it?

...

[inner hare]

I think it is

[rustic latch]

fuck

yeah, will need to add a check

[inner hare]

otherwise, the actor wouldn't be fleeing

[pastel vine]

I believe it is part of combat

[rustic latch]

ye, you are right

[inner hare]

in Vanilla it may be hard to notice simply because the actors rarely flee. It's still possible if you use Demoralize or Turn Undead, though. With HBFS and Mercy fleeing is more common.

[rustic latch]

Oh, lovely, that should be easy

https://openmw.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/lua-scripting/interface_ai.html##(AI).isFleeing

Bleugh. I was waiting to finish some other stuff, but for this maybe it's worth releasing an update asap

And sorry for ignoring it when originally reported

[inner hare]

No problem. You had a shitload of other stuff to deal with back then 😄

I even remember some update which prevented any mod settings from appearing

[rustic latch]

I think that was pre-release

:P

[inner hare]

yeah!

[rustic latch]

Iirc I've plugged in a new setting, but not any plumbing for it, and posted it. So settings failed to render

[inner hare]

what happens in pre-release, stays in pre-release

[inner hare]

it isn't critical. I guess that it depends on the ETA of the next big update.

[rustic latch]

Depends on my time. Work quieted down a bit, but I got a boiler leak and workmen would be coming next few days to replace it and to fix the ceiling it fucked up.

the ceiling in question

Landlady was a bit perplexed

I guess I'll wait a couple days, really want to finish the new effectiveness system, but that may need a migration script too

And give couple people a chance to finish l10ns they've started

[robust sundial]

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/the-elder-scrolls/new-morrowind-mod-not-only-adds-sekiro-parry-it-quietly-overhauls-the-rpgs-most-controversial-mechanic/

[rustic latch]

Thanks Montu. Posted it alreday in the morning - was fun "waking up famous"

Even if I disagree with "sekiro parry" description

haven't even played sekiro

[pastel vine]

No need to apologize my friend. This work is fantastic. Thank you for everything

[maiden tangle]

Of course it’s an over exaggeration, but people could also associate your mod with Sekiro because of the similar parry sounds.
I played Sekiro a lot and I immediately got flashbacks when I heard the first perfect parry cling

Good game btw, not for everyone definitely but still.
You don’t have to be into Soulsborne games and it may be even better, because then you don’t have to unlearn certain mechanics like dodging.

[rustic latch]

I mean, it may be best game ever, II just never played it. Wasn't it a PS exclusive for some years? And iirc bloodbourne still is?

I've played some soulsbourne games, not many though

It's just that here anything soulsbourne was never an influence on the design process

[tough juniper]

Its definitely just a snappy headline. Apart from the sound it's not really that similar of a system imo but still a complement for sure

[inner hare]

https://tenor.com/view/parry-it-parry-it-alicia-e33-gif-5018089436067363878

[tough juniper]

Its a game that is ALL about parrying

[rustic latch]

lmao

[maiden tangle]

Sekiro is available for PC, yes. But Bloodborne still isn’t sadly.

And I think it’s good that you didn’t really got your inspiration from those games, hence why your mechanics feel so seamlessly integrated into Morrowind’s combat 💪

[rustic latch]

That was the goal, but it still feels surreal to hear someone else say that

[maiden tangle]

Some say even more like a Rhythm game, which isn’t all too wrong 🕺

[tough juniper]

Yeah a dedicated "sekiro style" parry system wouldn't fit as well in Morrowind

[inner hare]

I guess it makes Sekiro different from other soulslikes

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-elden-ring-elden-ring-boss-povero-gabbiano-boss-man-gif-25906096

[maiden tangle]

And the struggle of unlearning of usual Soulsborne mechanics was real. I felt like that chubby raccoon, getting hit by everything…

[tough juniper]

Yeah coming into it from dark souls is punishing. That's the funny thing about the bloodborne dodge too, it's similar to sekiros in that those games both really want to get you out of the pangolin habit

[inner hare]

I still have hope for Bloodborne on PC

But hope...

is the first step on a road to disappointment

[tough juniper]

Only a fools hope

[maiden tangle]

At some point I started playing Bloodborne with the claw grip on my controller to still being able to move the camera, while running and dodging and attacking ||and sweating of course ||

[inner hare]

https://tenor.com/view/full-moon-bloodborne-gif-13663686

Art design there is just

amazing

[tough juniper]

Yeah damn what a game, I had never played a from soft game before and it just broke me on its wheel

[maiden tangle]

My favorite one of all of the Soulsborne franchise 💯

[inner hare]

I refuse to touch a console pad. PC gamer through and through.

[maiden tangle]

Someone is trying to make a Bloodborne-esque mod for Elden Ring. Did you see that?

[inner hare]

I also saw a working emulator but didn't try it

[tough juniper]

I'd like to try the big ER mod that allows full multiplayer

Get a small crew to blitz the lands between would be a fun weekend

[maiden tangle]

Still in early development. It’s called Graceborne

https://youtu.be/0juhwQFr0fU

[inner hare]

No MW death mod truly appeals to me, unfortunately. Always sth. Some jank or weird design choices.

[maiden tangle]

It’s really fun, you should go for it. At this point, even invasions by other players using the seamless mod are possible

[worthy hawk]

N'garde would be pretty sick for a pvp duel, you gotta admit haha. Fingers crossed TES3MP updates to 0.5 someday 🤞

[rustic latch]

I do agree, but I don't think it'll work out of the box

though

maybe?

I have some assumptions in the code based on "we are single-player"

[young aspen]

I haven’t played Sekiro but I rage quit Nine Sols

Does that count

[worthy hawk]

But yeah, that aside, enjoying the mod right now! Not really getting full usage out of it since I'm doing a wizard run, but experimenting a bit with bound longsword and it's really cool.

[maiden tangle]

Oh and then there’s this of course, but you probably saw the presentation already when it came out back then.
Not sure if the guy is still working on a truly playable version

https://youtu.be/n89NFtIUWDI

[tough juniper]

Yeah I'm still hoping for some ansei sword singing mod now that magic is open season

[inner hare]

Saw it. Don't see the point but... still cool.

[tough juniper]

I wonder how that's getting on now

[rustic latch]

I'm so glad I've fixed bound weapons disappearing bug 😅

[rustic latch]

It's doom on a toaster

but mw in eldern ring

cool because it's hard

[inner hare]

[tough juniper]

Yeah hearing the guy talk about what he had to go through is the point 😅

It would be neat to play though idk if it will ever get that far but more power to hime

[zenith karma]

Oh, that might be what I experienced

I'm using a gamepad and had a hell of a time assigning it in the first place

It's as if releasing the button also counts as a press?

And then it didn't do anything even after I assigned it to LB, until I died and had to reload a save

[zenith karma]

And I can't seem to assign parry to the left trigger at all. I wonder if this is an issue with Lua API

[rustic latch]

That seems to be API. I was briefly testing, and for all my installed mods i wasn't able to assign any "inputBinding" settings to triggers

[rustic latch]

I wad able to assign shoulder buttons or dpad ones without issue though. So not sure about that one

[zenith karma]

That's another thing, assigning to the bumpers works but because they're also used to navigate menus, it immediately switches to the next menu tab on the same press as the keybind input

[rustic latch]

Ah. I tested with controller menus flag disabled in the launcher

[rustic latch]

That makes sense then

[maiden tangle]

You could put the link for the article and Cybvep’s meme on the Nexus page of N’Garde

[rustic latch]

Nah, I don't think I will.

[inner hare]

• MrArrean, care to comment?
• Oh, yes. Big Sekiro fan. Changed my life.

[maiden tangle]

What I was thinking about besides the meme… people might tend to properly read an article that feels official to them, rather than your mod description 🫠
But if they’d stop posting dumb comments on several media platforms, we would have less to cringe and laugh about

[rustic latch]

I need to figure out how to recover my actual username on nexus

[rustic latch]

I don't think that will stop them. And there weren't many tbf

[maiden tangle]

Tell the Nexus people you’re famous now and demand it back because of that

[rustic latch]

[worthy hawk]

Getting some very strange "jittering" on NPCs in combat, which seems to be based on proximity. When they're right up in my face, it's constant, but when they're closer to the edge of the attack range, it stops

[rustic latch]

mercy or anything else installed that would modify NPC behavior?

[worthy hawk]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/11199995397392698121/2CE8480D6673BF7B7768E49C96029EC7964F4067/

[rustic latch]

under normal ngarde conditions they should backoff to their attack range

[worthy hawk]

No to Mercy. I thought maybe it was "NPCs avoid collissions" at first, but I have that disabled

[rustic latch]

so seems like something is forcing him closer

ah

hmm

does the same happen in an open space?

I use navmesh to try and force them to move - he may be getting stuck cause the obstacles are too close

Anyway, thanks for the report, I'll investigate it

I know where it happens, need to figure out why

[worthy hawk]

Happens pretty much everywhere, though definitely more in enclosed spaces. I have generated navmesh in the openmw launcher.

[rustic latch]

everywhere definitely shouldn't be the case

hmmmmm

I'll investigate

[worthy hawk]

Only other combat AI adjacent mod i have is "take cover", which makes people try to avoid being shot with marksman/spells if they can't reach you

maybe a conflict there?

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/54976?tab=description

[rustic latch]

Yeah, shouldn't happen

I have take cover too

[kindred imp]

haven't had issue with it too

[worthy hawk]

let me grab my load order, just in case anything stands out to you

[rustic latch]

I'm thinking it may be something with the enclosed space. I cast navigation ray to 200 units

may be too far in that space

when you're "not too close" actor has no need to move, so doesn't jitter

but otherwise - freaks out, as he tries to move, but can't

I'll take a look at that code later

"can't move" being defined by my navigation rays

[rustic latch]

And will appreciate that

[maiden tangle]

Has some else also noticed, that when NPCs are getting constantly damaged via a spell for example, they tend to be more aggressive. Some started to swing their weapons like hell towards me after I poisoned them. This could also be Mercy though.
Wouldn't consider this a bug anyway and more like a feature for immersion.

Didn't noticed any jittering on my end btw.

[rustic latch]

Yeah, probably not on my end

I don't touch attack frequency

May be mercy - but I haven't run that for a bit beyond original testing with ngarde

[worthy hawk]

it definitely happens "less" in more open spaces, but still happens https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/9796264150186506912/28B2890B76309084853AC7259D9066922AA194CC/

[rustic latch]

...

I think I need to soften threshold on "move closer"

and "move farther"

think that happens right as he is on the edge of the difference between "come closer" and "back off"

I thought I've fixed that

ANyway - it's on the todo now

will get addressed

[worthy hawk]

• Morrowind.esm
• Tribunal.esm
• Bloodmoon.esm
• Tamriel_Data.esm
• OAAB_Data.esm
• Tamriel_Data.omwscripts
• TR_Mainland.esm
• Arvesa - An Armigers Tale.esp
• StatsWindow.ESP
• StatsWindow.omwscripts
• SkillFramework.omwscripts
• Bardcraft.ESP
• Sky_Main.esm
• Arvesa - Tamriel Rebuilt.ESP
• Cyr_Main.esm
• tamrielrebuilt.omwscripts
• Expansion Delay.ESP
• Magical Mainland Homes v3.0.ESP
• JASPR-TR.ESP
• JASPR-V.ESP
• Sky_Main_Grass.esp
• Balmora Arches and a Waterfall.ESP
• JASPR-AS.ESP
• MasterIndexRedux.esp
• The Publicans.ESP
• RightToWearOrdinatorArmor.ESP
• Temple Markers.esp
• Vivec_Foreign_Quarter_Bridge_1.0 .esp
• smooth_sneak.omwaddon
• Bardcraft.omwscripts
• Impact Effects.omwscripts
• TakeCover.omwscripts
• Boundless.omwaddon
• if_rethan_manor.omwaddon
• BoundPauldrons.omwscripts
• MagicWindowExtender.omwscripts
• NiftySpellPack.omwaddon
• removeSpellFix.omwaddon
• ngarde.omwaddon
• MBSP.omwscripts
• Visible Morrowind finery.omwscripts
• fresh-loot.omwaddon
• fresh-loot.omwscripts
• LuaPhysicsEngine.omwscripts
• OpenMW_Magicka_Expanded_Framework.omwscripts
• ngarde.omwscripts
• ReAnimation_API.omwscripts
• ReAnimation_v2_Rogue.omwscripts
• third-person-alt-attacks.omwscripts
• TabletopAlchemy.omwscripts

[pastel vine]

I have only seen something similar when the NPCs is about to flee

[rustic latch]

Yeah, and that one is fixed next update

So we'll see. There's nothing I see in that load order that woul modify the flee behaviour howeveer

and it should invisible on vanilla

[worthy hawk]

OpenMW settings wise, I have smooth animations as well, though I think that was recommended on the nexus page for the mod?

otherwise haven't really messed with much

[rustic latch]

It was "use additional animation sources"

otherwise it won't be able to play necessary anims

but shouldn't matter I don't think

I'll test and report. I'm still in a bit of a RL hussle mode - will likely get to closer to full speed on the mod on the weekend

[tough juniper]

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58729?tab=files&file_id=1000063147
there's another one :) is this the same as the one that was taken down? they call out n'garde specifically as inspiration

[rustic latch]

@inner hare post the meme

Nvm found it

[inner hare]

😄

[rustic latch]

Ah it's a fixed and expanded reupload by the same guy that made the previous one

Makes sense

[inner hare]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenMW/comments/1sx0aak/ngarde_active_block_and_parry_mod_openmw/

keep them coming, guys. Those "I have no idea what I'm talking about" comments are too good.

[maiden tangle]

Just waiting for the first comment that says "Sekirowind" now. ^^

[rigid yoke]

theyre beating my ass in this mod had to turn it off ngl

How do you level block till it reaches the threshold?

[rustic latch]

I mean, as you parry just generally you will get two skills progressing. Main and secondary. It's block twice for shields. Handtohand twice for unarmed. weapon skill and block for weapons. At 40-50 in main skill you should be reasonable effective. But main thing is time your parries.

[rustic latch]

Ugh... this is a new one:

[hearty scroll]

Interesting. I'm the opposite, I found that block skill levels up pretty fast, even when not using a shield

[inner hare]

...

[rustic latch]

Liam

[inner hare]

@kind locust is that you?

[rustic latch]

I'm a happy man that I mostly don't go to reddit

[hearty scroll]

I mean... On the one hand, it's frustrating that they didn't get that the mod is how they would prefer it to be... On the other hand, it confirms your design was good ?

[rustic latch]

Anyway, yeah. I even thought about tuning it further down. But it's more or less in line with vanilla skill gain scale. The only difference being that you can get it more often cause you control when you try and block

[inner hare]

some YT comments are hilarious

[rustic latch]

Yeah, there are quite a few of those riffing on that

[rustic latch]

I should've added a "combat how you remember it being" tagline

[kind locust]

Hey I am defending the mod to be clear it irked me that someone said it was unbalanced that hand to hand could block weapons as if that has literally anything to do with balance.

[rustic latch]

Nah, all good. Just funny that your "should" was describing exactly how the mod works till later skill levels in hand-to-hand

[kind locust]

That makes sense, haven't had a chance to actually play it

[inner hare]

Yeah, sure. However, blocking with bare hands is actually sth that isn't effective until a very high HTH skill level is reached. It's different than in case of weapons. Basically, you need to be kung fu master.

[rustic latch]

Early in the dev cycle someone suggested that h2h block/parry will go well with iron fist. So I had to implement "iron palm" for very high skill, and ofc gauntlets/ bracers for earlier

[hearty scroll]

I never played Seikiro. Nor M&B. 🙁

I also don't get killed all the time, and didn't try the "always hit" option yet ^^'

that limits the options lol

[rustic latch]

I very much recommend M&B. Warband or Bannerlord, with mods or without

it's a great time

[inner hare]

it's still there!

[rustic latch]

[hearty scroll]

Yeah, it's either that, or asking for a non-meme answer lol

[hearty scroll]

I have Warband, actually. Just haven't gotten to try it yet

[rustic latch]

Play around with vanilla

[hearty scroll]

I have a lot of games I bought and haven't had the opportunity to play yet ^^'

[rustic latch]

then check out the mods

WB total overhaul scene is wild

Pendor and Perisno are personal favourites

There's also an Illiac Bay conversion in the works

[hearty scroll]

Nope. No Sir, TES are the only games I'm really modding, I already spend more time modding than playing as it is. If I start doing this for other games, I'll just never play anymore huhu

[rustic latch]

and just in general a lot of amazing stuff

[rustic latch]

Nah, modding WB is easier - usually you just get a total overhaul that suits your tastes

and it would have gameplay stuff included

No 800+ modlists there

[hearty scroll]

I don't plan on "total overhauling" a game that I bought because it seemed like something I would like. I mean, if it required total overhauling, then I likely wouldn't have bought it in the first place?

[rustic latch]

I mean

I chose the wrong word

[hearty scroll]

Also, dunno when I'll ever get to playing it, there are a lot of other games higher in my prio list

[rustic latch]

it's "total conversion" - meaning same game, different world

[hearty scroll]

ohhh

[rustic latch]

Those fit really well with how M&B works

[hearty scroll]

Well, we'll see. I've never played any total conversion actually, in any game

Skywind being the only one I kept an eye on over the years

[rustic latch]

Those are M&B bread and butter

[hearty scroll]

First, I'd need to actually play the game lol

the vanilla game I mean,

[rustic latch]

Yeah, as I said - play around in vanilla

it's great as is

[kindred imp]

I'm currently playing a marksman character

[rustic latch]

Still affects you a bit

as enemies with shields would block arrows

[kindred imp]

Eh, not substantially

Plus I don't think they block when they run towards you

[rustic latch]

They should be able to

[inner hare]

Same here.

[inner hare]

They can.

[rustic latch]

or at least stop and raise the shield when you draw

[kindred imp]

Maybe I didn't notice, then

[rustic latch]

the animation is weird on moving actors

[inner hare]

Yeah

[kindred imp]

I don't remember it being the case 🧐

[rustic latch]

Is definitely in

[inner hare]

I had my shots blocked like... yesterday.

[hearty scroll]

I admit I wouldn't have guessed that this NPC had his guard up on this screenshot

[inner hare]

Animation isn't very clear if the actor is moving.

[rustic latch]

@kindred imp ^

[kindred imp]

🤔

[inner hare]

The scrib

[rustic latch]

Scrib is hanging out

[inner hare]

They can't block if you shoot them in the back 😏

[rustic latch]

as intended

Nor can they block the first shot when out of combat

even if you are looking them straight in the eyes while drawing

[inner hare]

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-laughs-in-evil-laughing-myah-myaah-dasmemeistgut-gif-5356566587527840753

[rustic latch]

but that's vanilla behaviour and something I can't easily fix without attaching too many scripts

[inner hare]

BTW why I can't shoot why overencumbered?

[rustic latch]

huh?

[inner hare]

I'm like 99,99% sure it's this mod

[rustic latch]

hold up

[inner hare]

I can't attack

[rustic latch]

that's... a regression

ok, I'll fix it

makes sense to me logically, tbh, but not something I intended

Let's think. Are there any other special "can't Move" cases aside from overencumbrance that should still allow attacking?

I think not, right?

[hearty scroll]

Can't think of anything

[rustic latch]

others are knockout/knockdown and paralysis

[inner hare]

It's already a disadvantage that you cannot move and it has weird interactions with some spells, expiring buffs etc. because you get fucked in an annoying way. In Vanilla, even actors with 0 STR can attack if you get close.

[rustic latch]

yeah, im patching it as we speak

[hearty scroll]

I like that description ^^

[rustic latch]

And done. Can now parry and attack while overencumbered, but not when knockeddown or paralyzed

will go up with 1.0.9 which may be a few days

[inner hare]

BTW can you parry with a bow? Haven't even tried. I remember doing it in Oblivion and it was stupid, but Oblivion was full of lazy design.

[rustic latch]

nah

It was suggested at reduced effectiveness

but I don't think it makes much sense

Like... I mean - some bows in game are made of strong stuff, and irl e.g. a longbow is a substantial stick

that can offer some protection

but it won't be bow for long

if used like that

[inner hare]

And the player should be encouraged to switch to melee if they want to block

[rustic latch]

And adding "breaks in two hits" was as useful as "can't be used for parry"

[hearty scroll]

Doing Todd's work

[rustic latch]

[inner hare]

BTW anyone here played with MSWE blocking mods?

[kindred imp]

Storm did

[inner hare]

@valid spruce how similar is it to N'Garde?

[valid spruce]

Well, it differs on the approach

Blocking at first was too similar to parrying

I am at the moment blocked (lolz) because of the lack of animations, to implement the shield bash 😄

[rustic latch]

Animations do be like that

[inner hare]

Holy shit, same picture

[valid spruce]

We are working on the same game in roughly the same concepts 😄

[rustic latch]

More or less

Different approach to execution, and different engine limitations

[valid spruce]

I added more fluff like the spell batting 😄

[rustic latch]

but 🤷‍♂️

Possible in OMW currently, but incredibly cursed

the spellbattign I mean

and imo doesn't fit thematically

but

a cool feature anyway

[inner hare]

it's more of a meme feature IMO

would probably fit the Spellbreaker shield

only

and dunno, maybe some other artifact

not a generic feature

[valid spruce]

Ah, I just thought it was fun XD

[inner hare]

yeah, sure

I mean, that's what memes are for 😄

[inner hare]

so you are saying that we are all one big family?

[valid spruce]

Yeah 😄

Probably if I had not been pestering in the showcase N'Garde would not have been brought into play

And in the future we will all probably just move to openMW 😄

Or GodotWind

[hearty scroll]

@rustic latch Example of parrying not working immediately after assigning a key (dunnow if the guy voted in the poll)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ugOo0hssOs
At 21:45

[valid spruce]

MGE XE has only so much to offer when occlusion culling and batching will be implemented 🙂

OC is live-ish. G7 is working on the batching 😄

After that, I guess a full rewrite would be needed to keep it going

[inner hare]

wait, nobody did a parrying mod before?

[valid spruce]

Not with this level of interactivity

[cinder gulch]

Yeah I tried out MGE XE because I needed to test an mwscript and the MWSE quickloot made me depressed

[valid spruce]

got it working eventually, though 😄

[cinder gulch]

Y’all will enjoy ours

[valid spruce]

More Quickloot is neat

And the openMW devs better hurry up 😄

[cinder gulch]

You can loot things without unsheathing your weapons/going into spellcast stance

[valid spruce]

OC already gives nice fps on its own 😄

On a quite heavy modlist

[cinder gulch]

But yeah my condolences, you will certainly enjoy this mod and others haha

[inner hare]

Interactive fishing and a painting mod for OMW are my hopes for the future, but it's not easy

[cinder gulch]

If we get decals before permanent corpses I will riot

[valid spruce]

Decals are not a thing in omw?

So no graffitti on Narsis?

[cinder gulch]

Brother we cannot even rotate vfx

Decals are a very distant dream

[cinder gulch]

Didn’t know there was any

[valid spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/thoughts-and-prayers-thoughts-and-prayers-arthur-broussard-mid-century-modern-i-wish-you-well-may-god-bless-you-gif-16710318566065453247

[kindred imp]

Are they really decals and not just flat statics?

like the vanilla chalk writings

[valid spruce]

I'm not sure, actually

[kindred imp]

Because I don't know why would they be made as decals in the first place if they're static

[cinder gulch]

Because doing lua stuff with decals is easier than using the CS

[kindred imp]

If you're going for max parity between the engines when possible? Nah

[cinder gulch]

Also statics can’t be .dds which is likely what the decals are

Easier to make textures than using blender or nifskope

[cinder gulch]

But that’s not their goal

[valid spruce]

Let's all jump to GodotWind 😄

[inner hare]

if the level designer has a certain vision, they will probably want to place stuff in CS directly

[valid spruce]

The TRUE open morrowind 😂

[cinder gulch]

Besides, with decals you can have them spawn dynamically with lua rather than having to use mwscript or whatever else you’d use to spawn them

[valid spruce]

To be honest, we are one crazy person away from having someone take the IDA and spend a gazillion tokens just rewriting the base engine into rust or whatever

AI has totally changed the game

[inner hare]

it would most likely be some total slop

[kindred imp]

https://tenor.com/view/uni-handshake-maxwell-cat-kitty-gif-522509285255605907

[cinder gulch]

But yeah decals and texture manipulation is probably one of the first steps to being able to do something like JoP

[kindred imp]

If the programmer actually knows what his code does, it is

[valid spruce]

Not really, the clankers are really good at understanding source code

even the old models

[cinder gulch]

Except when you give them the openmw calendar source code

[valid spruce]

Probably it would just take a couple of weeks to actually pull it off

[inner hare]

it's still a toaster without any creative thought

[valid spruce]

Which makes it perfect for the job

Any sentient creature would just glaze over and commit seppuku rather than going into that

[cinder gulch]

Ah so what you’re saying is that you’ll be among the first casualties in the AI war

[valid spruce]

most definitely it is not something I will do 😄

110% chance that it will not be me XD

[inner hare]

don't worry. We know that the humans won in the future and 20 thousand years later there are only mentats

40 thousand years later there are only daemons and humans

[kindred imp]

assuming we won't nuke ourselves in the nearest future

[inner hare]

https://tenor.com/view/vault-boy-gif-18148168

[valid spruce]

nah, we will still be around 😄

[inner hare]

like cockroaches

(mutated)

so, yes, nice talk about parrying

[valid spruce]

haha

Long story short, we're missing the bash animations

[rustic latch]

I think I've started before I've seen any of your posts. Was crestfallen for a second, but then realised it's MWSE.

However - I was looking for parry mod before starting and I did find take that on nexus , was a bit of an inspiration, although -attacking to parry while fine irl, was really weird to me with MW animations and attack system

[valid spruce]

it is the crosspollinization that keeps the game great 😄

When openMW finally becomes dominant, this era will be missed 😄

[inner hare]

it's already dominant in terms of the player-base, but not the LUA capabilities

[valid spruce]

well, totally

[rustic latch]

You haven't looked at player numbers, have you?

[cinder gulch]

It is the most played engine though? Just that any serious quest devs can’t use openmw

[inner hare]

but I'm not sure that everyone will move on

some purists will remain

hardcore ones

[rustic latch]

Yeah, I mean - there's no reason for everyone to move on

[inner hare]

some people play on OG Vanilla

[valid spruce]

No need, any mod that has openMW on it in Nexus has 100x downloads 😄

[rustic latch]

I know a guy that refuses to play even MWSE

just basegame oldwind

[inner hare]

it's more common than you may think

wait a sec, I will grab poll results

[valid spruce]

I mean, MWSE has the crazy setup to jump through hoops

[inner hare]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Morrowind/comments/1qwv9qr/which_version_of_mw_do_you_play/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

3 months ago

MSWE and OG had parity on reddit

[valid spruce]

Now omw is just a few clicks and ta-da! you're in

[cinder gulch]

And modpacks

[valid spruce]

Yeah

[inner hare]

I didn't expect so many OG players

[valid spruce]

There was no focus on that on the MWSE side, going instead on old school modlists

[inner hare]

(with no MSWE)

[valid spruce]

And to be fair, there was not a lot of performance based dev in MWSE for a very long time

So less incentive for the automated modlists 😄

[inner hare]

for the most impressive stuff, you mostly click on Merlord's profile on Nexus

and it's enough

so many "big" mods there. It's crazy.

[valid spruce]

yeah, but Mer didn't think about performance at first

They didn't need to, before modpacks exploded

And before I actually went ahead hunting for why it was a bottleneck with the profiler

CSO is hugely popular and a performance hog as well

[kindred imp]

uhhhh, not sure why, but every time I saw modded MWSE footage on youtube, it always was choppy as if it was played at 20 fps

[valid spruce]

Yeah, that's what I am rebelling against 😄

[cinder gulch]

That’s how it plays too

[valid spruce]

Not anymore 😄

Unless you really shoot yourself in the foot with bugged stuff

https://youtu.be/Bl88w58wEJ4

Though I'll be the first to agree, that in general openMW performance is better 😄

[kindred imp]

is that the cell name display demo?

[valid spruce]

?

Nah, just a little walk around when I was trying to improve fps in that modlist

[kindred imp]

I didn't get what the video was showcasing...

ah

:d

[valid spruce]

Outlander is currently the heaviest modlist on MWSE

So it is a good stress test setup

When I was testing Kezyma's stuff in openMW, it ran great 😄

And looks amazing

[rustic latch]

It depends. Some places can still bring omw to its knees

Especially with pbr and huge textures

[cinder gulch]

Like Starwind

[rustic latch]

Or that vivec palace candles mod

[cinder gulch]

Never caused me any problems

[inner hare]

SHOTN wilderness 😫

[rustic latch]

Yeah shotn is a shame

[maiden tangle]

@rustic latch So I'd say I'm done now. You'll check for formats and possibly missing quotation marks, right? Hope I haven't missed anything as I went back antd forth with some translations 😅

[rustic latch]

Thank you!

Any preference on how you want to be listed in the credits?

[maiden tangle]

You're welcome! I was a fun experience 🙂
And thanks for crediting, I'd say Semaro is fine.

[rustic latch]

Love to see it:

Couple issues with quotes, but otherwise looks good. Can't really proofread it though, but looks like all good

[maiden tangle]

Nice. Yeah I also let some friends who play and don't play Morrowind to check the translation. For them it felt quite immersive, especially in terms of the skill acquiring messages for "iron palm" and "perfect parry", since the german version of Morrowind often uses similar old phrasing like archaic English does with "thy/thou/thee" for example.

[rustic latch]

I've encountered that

Playing a game and suddelnt "ihr"

or am I misremembering old second person plural, used in place of Sie as a form of polite address

[maiden tangle]

No you're right. If you'd speak to someone in a formal way today, you'd adress them with "Sie" ("Du" as "You" when less formal). Adressing them with "Ihr" would probably confuse them, except for fans of medieval or fantasy gaming stuff.
It's nice to have it in Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim have it too

"Sie" can be used for both a singular person and several people.

[rustic latch]

Yeah, I was just blanking on the specific "you plural, but used as a polite form for one or more people" that fell out of fashion

[rustic latch]

Thanks for this btw. But unfortunately doesn't really help - all he did was immediately go reloadlua - and since that type of setting is very much mostly handled by builtin lua and the engine - I've no idea what may have gone wrong there

[hearty scroll]

Sorry it wasn't any help. I admit I don't know anything about the technical aspect of a mod such as your ^^'

[rustic latch]

No worries. It's a weird one, and I hope we'll figure it out eventually

[rigid yoke]

its probably cuz I also had this skill evolution mod on

maybe Ill turn it off and try again

cuz wow the game is more fun for me when I can make money and not deal with morrowind grind mechanics

[rustic latch]

skill evolution is very much compatible and skill gains are in line with vanilla

although I use SE skill feats

[waxen cliff]

.arrean

I mean, as you parry just generally you will get two skills progressing. Main and secondary. It's block twice for shields. Handtohand twice for unarmed. weapon skill and block for weapons. At 40-50 in main skill you should be reasonable effective. But main thing is time your parries.

Quoted by @​.arrean from #N'Garde. Vanilla-Friendly Parry and Active Block. 1.0 · Apr 30, 2026, 5:44 AM

[rustic latch]

@rigid yoke we've been yapping, so to your earlier question ^

[rigid yoke]

I mean idk I didnt level up block a single time when I had both mods on and I was trying to block everyone I could

[rustic latch]

latest skill evolution installed?

[rigid yoke]

yeah 1.9.8

[rustic latch]

get me your openmw.log please

[rigid yoke]

I turned them off now but theyre still added as directories

[rustic latch]

And blocking/parrying generally works?

[rustic latch]

yeah, no. I need a log with ngarde active, and from a session where you fought and parried someone

Preferrably with both SE and ngarde enabled

ngarde should be loaded after SE for interop, btw

may enable "debug logs" in settings for good measure

[rigid yoke]

I can click block and I block something but I dont really know if I was parrying or not

[rustic latch]

do sparks fly? do sounds play? Does the enemy recoil if you time it just right?

[rigid yoke]

Sparks fly I dont think I see much recoil

I absolutely do recoil when I get parried tho

[rustic latch]

Right

[rigid yoke]

The issue with thr sparks is that I see them even when I hold block sometimes

[rustic latch]

but if sparks and sfx play when you block/parry - it should be working

are you on PC?

[rigid yoke]

So I was confused if that was a parry

[rigid yoke]

Yeah

[rustic latch]

https://gitlab.com/Arrean/openmwluaparry/-/wikis/Home/AudioVisual-Feedback

all of those are "parry"

but "perfect parry" is distinguished by a high and bright ringing sound

you can't miss that one

[rigid yoke]

Thats probably something I didnt do

[rustic latch]

I mean, try quick mode in settings

should be easier

[rigid yoke]

Dont know if skill or didnt reach parry threshold yet

[rustic latch]

and try and raise the parry just before the enemy attack lands

[rustic latch]

it's 40

try setting it lower in settigns too

[rigid yoke]

I know that I never reached it till later when I bought training

Hence why I was askinf how you grind it up before reaching the threshold

[rustic latch]

well, realistically - 40 is something a lot of characters will start with

if you focus on melee at all

35 being absolute minimum iirc without any bonuses

and 5 points are relatively easy to get by just existing

[rigid yoke]

I started with 30 somehow

Even tagged as a major skill

[rustic latch]

30 block?

[rigid yoke]

Yeah

[rustic latch]

and you were trying to use shields to defend yourself, right?

[rigid yoke]

I was trying to use a greatsword

[rustic latch]

see

[rigid yoke]

The claymore

[rustic latch]

main skill for that is longblade

block is secondary

your ability to defend yourself with a weapon is defined mostly by weapon skill

[rigid yoke]

So parry doesnt level the block skill when using the longblade?

[rustic latch]

it does

but the effectiveness of the parry is mostly defined by weapon skill

as well as the time window it gives you for "perfect parry"

on "normal"

parry is "ready" when fully raised

so try and time your parries in such a way that you finish raising it when the enemy attack lands

try quick mode otherwise - it is easier - then parry is "ready" as soon as you press a button

once you grasp what and how you can always move back to normal

it's tricky sometimes to anticipate the enemy strikes

[rigid yoke]

It doesnt matter much now both skills are well levelled so I can probably turn on both mods

[rustic latch]

Both skills are leveled.

[rigid yoke]

But Ill try

[rustic latch]

The amount of skill gain you get - is dependent on how close your timing was to "perfect" and how much damage you prevented

try turning on debug messages in mods settings first

and fight someone

[rigid yoke]

I meant they are both above 40 so I can probably figure out the real parry

[rustic latch]

you'll see a report on your parry as soon as it happens

[hearty scroll]

30. That's the character I created (weapon major with no racial bonus, and magic specialty), and even like that I managed some perfect parries (though most parries weren't)

[rustic latch]

yeah, it's stil possible, but you get like 70 miliseconds

possible just quite hard

[rustic latch]

So I've testing movement, distance keeping and other stuff with multiple enemies in a confined space

After 10 minutes - not one jitter

I think it is at least better

[inner hare]

what are you looking at?

[tough juniper]

looks like a character from Grim Fandango

[rustic latch]

Lmao

[robust sundial]

“Never should have come here”

[maiden tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-kids-gif-4649097468239291097

[fickle veldt]

I just happen to stumble on a PCGamer article about this mod lol

[kind locust]

Wait you're hitting TR status and getting PC gamer articles, shit is looking up for openMW congrats

[fickle crown]

Now we just need this animation mod to release and we achieve perfection https://youtube.com/watch?v=VyjAMFjcXJ0

[fickle veldt]

oh man yes!

[rustic latch]

I wouldn't go anywhere that far. But the article was indeed a surprising but nice turn of events

[rustic latch]

It's been wild

[inner hare]

[rustic latch]

That's Storm's Take That on MWSE

[hearty scroll]

Over 10% of views turned into unique DL
Over 7% of unique DL turned into endorsement.
Highest number of endorsements over the past two weeks.

Those statistics are impressive, congrats huhu

For curiosity's sake, I compared the endorsement rate of the 20 most popular mods on the nexus : 5 of them have equal or better rate (none reached 8%)
Better bodies
Better heads
Better clothes
OUTDATED - Morrowind Overhaul - Sounds And Graphics
Run Faster - Faster Running Speed

Overall, 7,X% seems to be the ceiling of endorsement rate on the Nexus huhu.

Most popular mods (recent or "of all time") navigate between 4-6%

[rustic latch]

Nice, that's interesting statistics!

I haven't looked at other mods ratios, but I'm very pleased with this

Shame endorsement rate didn't keep up it was ~10% for a long time

[hearty scroll]

I checked the highest endorsement mods because higher numbers give more accurate percentages. With low numbers, % tends to vary wildly.

[rustic latch]

yeah, makes sense

[inner hare]

look at the ratio of endorsements to unique downloads here

[cinder gulch]

Average mod in a modpack

[inner hare]

oh yes, those explode in popularity

although endorsements require effort

downloads are automatic

[rustic latch]

Yup, which is why it's hovering around 1.5%. Shame really

[inner hare]

a side effect of being included on MOMW modlist

800+ endorsements is excellent, though

[rustic latch]

yeah

[inner hare]

as for N'Garde, it's all well deserved 👏🏻

[cinder gulch]

Yeah MO2 lets you endorse from inside it

[tough juniper]

Vortex too

[inner hare]

ah, interesting! Quicker actions

[cinder gulch]

Wabba modpacks still have the problem of ppl not endorsing of course but it's not on the software's end

[inner hare]

this will lead to more people actually endorsing the mods

[tough juniper]

But it takes moving your finger slightly 😩

[inner hare]

from time to time, I make a pass on the mods I use and give endorsements if sth deserves it but I ignored it for some rerason

usually because I forgot

[tough juniper]

I don't think there are many mods I downloaded that didn't deserve an endorsement. Only if its totally broken and dead really

[inner hare]

I remove some mods via MOMW customizations and I don't want to endorse them, but MOMW still downloads them before removing them 😉

[hearty scroll]

I am guilty of using a modpack when I made the switch to OpenMW. Because I didn't want to spend 2 week checking out all the mods and making my own install like last time. Bad side-effect was I had to use MO2, which I wasn't familiar with. I had no idea you could endorse from it huhu

(My next install will definitely NOT be a modpack, I hate MO2 and I want to customize this one to my liking)

[inner hare]

well, not using MO2

modlists are very useful, though

many players don't want to waste much time on installing mods, checking compatibility etc.

it's easier to start with a modlist

and add stuff to it if necessary

although the more extensive ones can be hard with compatibility

and of course, there is always the "Morrowind Rebirth guy"

if a mod changes everything, compatibility will be hard...

[hearty scroll]

Agreed, that's what I plan on doing for my next install. That's what I did previously as well. But back then (vanilla engine) I used Wrye Mash

(or Wrye Bash, or whatever version existed, I forgot)

[inner hare]

OMG I remember that name

it's old 😄

[hearty scroll]

It is

But it was great (for me at least)

Apparently there's still a more recent version

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/45439?tab=posts

[inner hare]

it has MGE XE support

according to description

[hearty scroll]

Even had an OpenMW version in the works apparently 👀
(no updates since 2020 though, ig it was abandonned? 😮‍💨 )

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/46935?tab=description

[hearty scroll]

yes?

[inner hare]

oh, OMW version as well

I see

[hearty scroll]

Wait, no
"25 Mar 2024, 9:14PM
A new beta for OpenMW released, fixing the following:"

They didn't update the Nexus files, but the Github page had a beta release in 2024, so it might still be in development?

[rustic latch]

2 and change years back

unless there's a more recent fork - I'd not hold hop

[hearty scroll]

I'm not holding my breath, but one can still hope ^^'

I'll keep an eye on it, just in case

[eager crane]

this screenshot should be an official TR poster

[rustic latch]

Lmao

That would be epic

@here balance feedback time. How tricky are NPCs to fight? Getting some conflicting reports

Also wonder how do you feel about random NPCs fight responses - the speed at which they react, how often and how successfully they parry etc

[eager crane]

I mostly can report on the experience of fighting with multiple companions. The enemies usually lock in on the companions, ignoring me completely

I also play with Mercy and Fair Care (they heal each other)

[rustic latch]

That's fair. And I don't touch targeting. Mercy may, but that behavior sounds vanilla

[zenith karma]

I got ganked pretty easily just doing the Telvanni Agents job with the Fighter's Guild, sometimes Morrowind just throws a bunch of people on you at once even on "beginner" quests. One also has an enchanted sword which made it harder

[rustic latch]

Fair - I've had some trouble with that one too

had to kite them out and try to not face more than one at a time

it's interesting that a commenter on nexus mentioned this specific quest for this too

Hmmmm

[zenith karma]

Even Elden Ring has done AI tweaks to make 2-on-1 and gank fights not quite so unfair, so there's no shame in deciding to do something similar

[rustic latch]

I wonder what...

Need to think about it

[zenith karma]

I think what they did is have other opponents hang back a bit when one was going in to attack

And it makes a certain amount of sense, having several melee weapons crowded around swinging and stabbing in the same place is a good way to stab a mate

[tropic fulcrum]

I actively endorse every mod I download

[zenith karma]

Case in point, these two weren't hard but you can see how it would be plausible for one to hold back while the other is attacking so they don't swing through their leg

[inner hare]

BTW enemies patiently waiting while you finish off their allies so you can have "fair" 1vs1 fights is one of features in gaming which I heavily dislike. Most notable example is Ubislop with enemies in AC surrounding the player and attacking only 1 at a time. If there are any plans to nerf the AI, plz make it optional.

[zenith karma]

Fighting these guys was cool, not too daunting and makes sense to for one to do ranged

[rustic latch]

Eh, it doesn't really. There's alot of space for others to strike.

Case in point, I used to do hema and some other stuff. Ofc all of us played games and seen the movies so we were bound to fuck around and try.
1v2/1v3 is possible if 1 is much better than their opponents with alot of footwork and they still get wrecked most of the time. 1v4 - you're dead.

I didn't want to make it strictly like that in MW, but there are times when you probably should rely on dodge (if glancing blows are disabled), and need a lot of weaving and dancing to survive the fight

I didn't really add more than a footnote about it in the mod description (the "more challenging but more rewarding" part) because it aligns with how I play vanilla morrowind too

I also am not sure if I can do much meaningful with AI on my end without major time investment :/

[zenith karma]

I'm definitely interested in not cheesing it, which is always a risk of with MW's mechanics and content - trying as a player to seek that balance of functional, fair and fun without relying on exploits or meta too much. I don't even necessarily think AI is the answer in this case, and you can only do what you can do. Just giving my thoughts on the experience so far

[hearty scroll]

Haven't encountered groups of NPCs yet (I typically avoid this type of situations, playing low endurance character). 1V1 early game seemed relatively similar to the usual difficulty so far. Will wait before answering the poll, to see if I end up in a group fight and notice any obvious difference.

[misty phoenix]

screenshot goes hard

[fickle crown]

Damn, we need those animations on Openmw as well

@rustic latch How do you feel about doing dodge Animations on miss for N'garde?

[rustic latch]

It's a maybe

I don't know if I like animations in Take That - too snappy for my tastes

but something is better than what we have

[hearty scroll]

My thoughts exactly when seeing this video ☝️

[fickle crown]

I love you bro

[tough juniper]

i'd like to help out with some animations if that's something you'd want to implement or if you have some other ideas let me know.

[young aspen]

A more subtle dodge animation would be hot

[inner hare]

that dodge animation reminded me of this video for some reason https://youtube.com/shorts/hk9UblL_yyA?si=zcgK9jCBL6w24RJT

😅

[rustic latch]

I still need your help with creature animations :P. I wasn't able to make the almalexia one working yet, nor the goblins. Not sure what I'm doing wrong =/

[tough juniper]

yeah that will need some thinking through, i held off on doing more since its busy times for everyone rn. possibly will need to add it to the main mesh instead of making a seperate thing

[rustic latch]

Does it need to be added via CS or something?

[rustic latch]

Oh, or that

and we'll need to convene on groupnames and keys before you do those

just in case

[tough juniper]

yeah important to get that right

struggling to avoid key puns

[rustic latch]

[tough juniper]

there's things i still don't understand about npcs. i couldn't get my idle animation working properly mostly its exporting is a mystery

[rustic latch]

Yeah, and creatures are the same for me

[worthy hawk]

Unironically, while I don't use it, this is my favorite implementation of 100% hit chance. The accuracy roll still affecting damage is genius.

I'd personally cap it lower than 20% on a miss, maybe 10%, but still.

[worthy hawk]

I don't find it any harder than vanilla, at least on an already mid level character with melee skills in the 40s-60s. If anything, marginally easier because the parry does significantly reduce incoming damage, even at very low block skill.

A fresh character getting swarmed by like five dudes, probably would be a struggle, but that'd be true either way haha

[rustic latch]

Thank you, and noted

[worthy hawk]

Honestly, even just the Impact Effects mod to give you an armor-appropriate sound effect on a miss is game changing for the combat feedback

[rustic latch]

yeah, which is why I run it

but I think I can make a simple "step back -> step back into guard" animation for "dodged" at one point. Still burned out on blender, and just generally busy

you, Jojy, however may be glad to hear that I made some improvements to movement code. I wasn't able to reproduces the jitter, but it should be better generally

[worthy hawk]

Fingers crossed! I'm excited to see if that fixes it for me.

As a sidenote btw, I don't think it's relevant, but

I tried capping my fps to 60 instead of 144, to see if for whatever reason my high framerate was causing it

It didn't stop the jittering from happening, but it did massively slow it down. Instead of rapid vibration it turned into just swinging their shoulders back and forth

[rustic latch]

hmmm

that, actually makes sense

cause movement updates happen every frame

[worthy hawk]

That'd make sense then!

[rustic latch]

still, that it happens at all, means that somehow codepath can't decide what to do

What I did so far is soften the threshold between "too clsoe", "just right" and "too far"

so that native AI can kick in between them

and lowered the distance at which they avoid obstacles

should be better

but since I couldn't reproduce - can't confirm either way

I'll push the update soon ^tm, And we'll see

[worthy hawk]

Well I'll let you know as soon as it's ready!

[rustic latch]

can't really give you an early version yet - some other parts are disassembled 😅

[quick obsidian]

Loving the mod so far, but I was wondering if there could be a way in future releases to speed up the block/parry animations? I'm not sure whether or not that's influenced by the appropriate skills or whatnot but it seems to me that sometimes my block comes out a bit too late for my taste, and quick mode is just 2ez. In any case mod is great as-is

also some creatures can be weird to properly parry against, like bloodmoon draugr, not sure if that's due to the mod changing their attack cycles or if that's just how the animations work for them, if the latter then that'd probably be outside the scope of N'garde

[rustic latch]

Well, for that, it's a maybe. But animations are already plenty fast. I'd hazard that as you learn the timings and enemy attack cues you'll find it much easier. Animations as they are right now play out in around 200ms, imo that should be enough

[rustic latch]

draugr, most of them are in a blacklist due to incompatible animations, that means that generally I don't control their behaviour in any way

oh

no

hold on

you mean draugr

not dreugh

Do draugr use weapons in BM at all?

If they don't - what you're seeing is vanilla attack animations and windup times

[quick obsidian]

no, I assume it's just the default attack animation being wonky when factoring in the mod

[rustic latch]

Yeah, it's just the default - then

[quick obsidian]

That's cool, but I was thinking if there could be a slider in the script settings, or are the animation speeds locked in blender?

I'm speaking from the depths of ignorance here btw

[rustic latch]

Possibly. But do note that it will also cause NPCs to parry faster

so it will stay a maybe

At least for now, - do play a bit more with it - pay attention to enemy weapon arm, etc. Imo it's quite enough time as is

[quick obsidian]

Alright! Thanks a lot for answering my questions!

[eager talon]

i love ngarde

i also think i need to get a mod to make it so enemies just don't focus arvesa in combat though lol

it depends on who starts combat I think? I'm not sure, but also different enemy types will focus me depending on my damage output. reminds me of ffxi aggro management. would be cool to have that more explicitly. anyway. ngarde is fun and I like it lots. not really any complaints

[rustic latch]

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58076

[eager talon]

just Adding depth in a minimal way to combat without making it too easy to cheese is fun

[eager talon]

Bada fucking bing

thank u lmao

[rustic latch]

Enjoy

[eager talon]

wow arvesa is literally in the thumbnail 😭

Lmao

[kindred imp]

I mean, she's recognizable

basically a staple of current day companions, I might say

[eager talon]

Wholeheartedly agree

Mod author is nice, too. offered me some help for my as of yet to be started companion mod aspirations

[rustic latch]

Well, I've only really gotten detailed feedback from August. Anyone else that voted too hard - too hard how?

[rustic latch]

sigh

[somber quail]

I think multi target combat is difficult for reasons outside of the scope of the mod.

It's too easy for gangs of enemies to hit you with weapons and spells with a bunch of their allies standing in the way. You don't fight multiple opponents, you face a dungeon crawler style blob.

So it's not on you to fix it.

[rustic latch]

That's somewhat true

and also kind of realistic

Not going for realism much here

but we ain't playing Dynasty Warriors either

[somber quail]

I dunno. ABout the only hope you had in getting jumped in my experience is people get tangled up trying to kick your ass.

[rustic latch]

ya, pretty much

[somber quail]

It's the a hard limit on how many things can hit you.

[rustic latch]

Poll, however was not just about groups of enemies. But general response seems that 1v1s are fine, and only issues people have encountered are with groups of enemies

[somber quail]

Deuling is a real pleasure for sure.

[inner hare]

there are ways to split up enemies or distract them

it's all doable

and there are AOE effects for a reason as well. Not only spells. Scrolls. Enchanted items.

most fights in-game are 1vs1 or 1vs2

[somber quail]

What I mean is a bunch of magic and weapons can flail at you irrespective of concerns about friendly fire and how much space a body occupies.

And that is a hard limit of the game engine.

[rustic latch]

Ye, not much I can do about enemy mage deciding "I said fireball"

well, I can, but not in scope

https://tenor.com/view/dnd-dungeons-and-dragons-party-casting-fireball-gif-14675771

[inner hare]

enemy AOE spells can actually be an advantage in some situations

[rustic latch]

"I didn't ask how big the room was, I said 'I cast fireball'"

[rustic latch]

Some yeah

[inner hare]

Morrowind gives so many tools to deal with problems that there is always sth you can do

[somber quail]

Not actual complaining. Honestly saying the mod is as good as it could be.

[rustic latch]

There are a few things. But I'm glad you like it

[inner hare]

one thing I would recommend is avoid using AOE spells when you have Daedra summons fighting someone. You may end up killing yourself because of Reflect

[somber quail]

It would be hilarious to see a mod where people just stabbing and swinging like they do in the game would end up a ton of friendly casualties, lol.

[inner hare]

Morrowind collisions and AI are so simple that it would require more changes to be feasible

[somber quail]

Like the X stooges

[inner hare]

instead of a meme mod ofc

[rustic latch]

Many more

[somber quail]

I've always just chosen the careful kiting approach, personally. Although multiple tangos are kind of more doable in a way because once they are exhausted it just takes one punch to fell them again.

[rustic latch]

^ basically the way I play

and what I've not 100% consciously balanced ngarde around

doing a jenkins into 3 dremoras ain't gonna fly until much higher level

[inner hare]

yeah

and it makes sense

it's often my go to in many games tbh

I avoid fighting multiple enemies if possible

[rustic latch]

I do take some evil joy in people reporting getting wrecked by 1st addamasartus lady :D

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-yes-gif-11132867

[inner hare]

I don't even know how much you have to fuck up there...

maybe I'm just too experienced, I dunno

but she has a chitin dagger

1 lvl character

seriously

[rustic latch]

Yeah, usually keels over in a stiff wind

[somber quail]

Enemies do generally feel more challenging without having to result to HP bloat, which is great.

[inner hare]

I like that it's possible to observe power lvl differences in enemies as well

skilled ones definitely make better use of the mod's features

[rustic latch]

That's thanks to you too. The "will parry" formula is yours

[somber quail]

Yeah, I recently frenzied a sixth house cultist who was always stopping me, and the guard put him down like a small dog. It was hilarious.

[inner hare]

even if you set HP of a skeleton champion and skeleton to the same lvl, the former will feel like a more challenging opponent

which is fun

[rustic latch]

how it should be imo

[inner hare]

absolutely

so far I'm having a great experience with the mod in general. The only truly annoying feature is this random shit with encumbrance . Recently I haven't been able to use a lockpick and wondered what the hell was happening. Feather expired and I couldn't perform the action 😅 . I know that it's getting fixed next update, though.

[rustic latch]

It's gone in 1.0.9

I had to work today, otherwise it would've been out sooner

I ran into a Bone Walker yesterday

yeah...

preventing actions on encumberance was a bad idea

[inner hare]

everybody is running slightly different modded setups. In mine Hungers and Devourers can damage strength in addition to their other shenanigans 😄

[rustic latch]

jfc

[somber quail]

This is why Resoration is a forever major skill for me. Stat burn friggin' blows.

[rustic latch]

yup

[worthy hawk]

stat restore good, but the real reason to take it is to immediately grab a "restore fatigue 5pts for 60 seconds" spell haha

[hearty scroll]

I like to play agility melee type, with no restoration (relying on enchant/potions), so to me this mod is awesome, and groups of opponents were already something to be avoided huhu

[rustic latch]

Well, against my better judgement I had to change some l10n strings for the next update.

to keep it minimal.
@hearty scroll , @maiden tangle
Can you please translate this one for me:
Detailed settings for weapon type parry effectiveness are located in scripts/ngarde/helpers/weapon_parry_table.lua

need 🇫🇷 and 🇩🇪 , so far

Not exposing all of that in settings, cause it would mean 90 more of them. Those that can't not fiddle will have to edit the file

[hearty scroll]

🇫🇷 Les paramètres d'efficacité de parade des différents types d'armes se trouvent dans le fichier : scripts/ngarde/helpers/weapon_parry_table.lua

wait

I think it'd be better like this :

🇫🇷 Les options d'efficacité de parade des différents types d'armes sont paramétrables dans le fichier : scripts/ngarde/helpers/weapon_parry_table.lua