N'Garde. Vanilla-Friendly Parry and Active Block. | OpenMW | Page 4

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 8:03 PM

#

and if you mange to time it with 0.001s window or whatever you deserve it

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 8:03 PM

#

Yeah

#

As I said, I see no difference

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 8:04 PM

#

inner hare As I said, I see no difference

there would've been a difference if it was in a right place

#

:P

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 8:04 PM

#

todd

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 8:05 PM

#

if you replace lines 271 to 274 in parry.lua with

    local window = masteryMultiplier * min(
        (SettingsConstants.basePerfectParryWindow + ((mainSkillCurve + secondarySkillCurve) / 100)) *
        fatiguePercentage, SettingsConstants.maxPerfectParryWindow)```
you'll immediately notice

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 8:06 PM

#

Ok, I will check

#

I have no clue. It can be placebo effect 36vehks

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 8:20 PM

#

36vehks

#

there should be commented out logging:status below that, if you didn't delete it. Uncomment it and look at console

#

or add logging:status("perfectParryWindow:" .. window)

#

status log messages show up always regardless of log level settings, so you can see what the actual window it gives you is, with your skill levels

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 8:24 PM

#

Is perfect block with shield supposed to give the same THUNK sound as with perfect parry?

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 8:24 PM

#

thunk?

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 8:25 PM

#

Perfect shield blocks sound like parries

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 8:25 PM

#

all "perfect" parries play the same "high bright metallic ding".

For anything that is not swords - it plays at the same time and at a slightly lower volume as normal parry sound.

#

why - cause I needed 100 uniquely identifiable aural feedback that "this parry is different"

#

If you can come up with what "perfect block" sound for shields would even sound like - be my guest

#

I couldn't

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 8:27 PM

#

This is minor but perfect shield block doesn't sound satisfying. It sounds as if parried with a sword.

#

No gameplay impact, though

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 8:28 PM

#

Consider it enemy weapon ringing, instead of yours. :P

But yeah - I played with instead playing the normal shield block sound but higher pitch and louder - it sounded like ass
Which is base game armor hit sound based on armor category.

#

so I decided to go for uniquely identifiable feedback - so that you know withotu a doubt what happened

#

Does it sound silly for h2h block? Oh sure it does

#

But I can live with that

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 8:30 PM

#

rustic latch or add `logging:status("perfectParryWindow:" .. window)`

Yeah, now I see it in console. 0.09- 0.11 perfect pary with 50 setting instead of 0.13-0.14 with 100, whatever it means

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 8:31 PM

#

seconds

strong lynx Apr 14, 2026, 8:31 PM

#

You mean the perk framework doesnt support applying perks to noc rn?

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 8:31 PM

#

what's your skill level? that seems low

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 8:31 PM

#

strong lynx You mean the perk framework doesnt support applying perks to noc rn?

Nope, I've asked Blur

strong lynx Apr 14, 2026, 8:31 PM

#

Thats a shame, will have to improve that

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 8:32 PM

#

Blur said that both me and S3ctor had the same question and more or less for the same reason. She says MR's are open

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 8:32 PM

#

rustic latch what's your skill level? that seems low

45 long blade, block 35

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 8:32 PM

#

Ah, no

#

that's in line then

#

100-140 it's also modified by current fatigue

#

so about what Id' expect

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 8:32 PM

#

Logging will be useful.

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 8:33 PM

#

It's all there, just not exposed

#

I also don't know how expensive logging would be - cause each logging statement is evaluated individually - and It will just crap with string allocations all over if I add much more

#

Probably worryng for nothing

#

but still

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 8:34 PM

#

I akways turn off logging in mod settings unless testing

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 8:34 PM

#

flip the LOG_LEVELS.OFF at the top of the file to LOG_LEVELS.DEBUG you'll see quite a bit already

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 8:34 PM

#

inner hare I akways turn off logging in mod settings unless testing

string is still allocated, call to the logger method is still made and it still needs to check if current log level is below or above message threshold

#

Won't be an issue unless there are hundreds of them onframe

#

but something to keep in mind

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 8:35 PM

#

Yes, there is some cost even if no log appears in console

#

But at least it's not flooded

#

It becomes unreadable with many logs turned on

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 8:36 PM

#

yup

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 8:48 PM

#

[22:47:28.448 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]:    [NGarde]:[DEBUG]:parrying, starting calcs and adjustments
[22:47:28.448 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]:    [NGarde]:[DEBUG]:final multiplier:0.54267940489094
[22:47:28.448 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]:    [NGarde]:[DEBUG]:self.baseParryFatigueCost:25
[22:47:28.448 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]:    [NGarde]:[DEBUG]:self.activeParryConfig.effectiveness:1.75
[22:47:28.448 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]:    [NGarde]:[DEBUG]:pre cost fatigue139.89785766602
[22:47:28.448 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]:    [NGarde]:[DEBUG]:post cost fatigue123.69260766602
[22:47:28.448 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]:    [NGarde]:[DEBUG]:pre cost fatigue139.89785766602
[22:47:28.448 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]:    [NGarde]:[DEBUG]:post cost fatigue123.69260766602
[22:47:28.448 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]:    [NGarde]:[DEBUG]:playing shield hit animation
[22:47:28.448 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]:    [NGarde]:[DEBUG]:sending parry success event. This will play sound
[22:47:29.094 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]:    [NGarde]:[DEBUG]:isParrying:true
[22:47:29.094 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]:    [NGarde]:[DEBUG]:startedParry:false
[22:47:29.094 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]:    [NGarde]:[DEBUG]:stopping parry
[22:47:29.094 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]:    [NGarde]:[DEBUG]:stop parry

#

is final multiplayer the damage reduction?

#

[22:47:28.448 I] L@0x1[scripts/ngarde/player.lua]: [NGarde]:[DEBUG]:final multiplier:0.54267940489094

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 8:48 PM

#

inner hare is final multiplayer the damage reduction?

ye

#

on weak block

#

"weak"

#

well, not reduction as is - it's "multiplier" in a sense that you will receive 54% damage

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 8:50 PM

#

Ok

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 9:47 PM

#

Just for pure debug testing (absolutely not intended for final version), I think that it could be useful to display a message during parry to show % of damage received. I don't mean the console. A message box, sth like "Damage received during block: 44%; Fatigue consumed: 13". Should be easy and it should help with balance feedback IMO.

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 10:00 PM

#

yeah, can do.

#

Unfortunately - probably tomorrow. haven't got time to do anything much today

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 10:03 PM

#

np

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 10:31 PM

#

I took a look at base AR of all standard armor and it seems that 5 is weak (like Fur or Netch), 15 is average (like Steel or Bonemold), 30 is very good (like Orcish) and 50+ is top tier (like Glass, Stalhrim or Ebony). You could use sth like 1+(AR-5)/15 as the first simple formula for determining shield effectiveness, capped at 3. To give some examples:
-> Netch Shield = 1
-> Iron Shield = 1,33
-> Steel Shield = 1,67
-> Dwemer Shield = 2
-> Orcish Shield = 2,67
-> Dreugh Shield = 3 (cap)
-> Glass Shield = 3 (cap)
-> Ebony Shield = 3 (cap)

This doesn't look bad for such a simple formula. Can always be tweaked later on.

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 10:33 PM

#

it also lines up 1to1 more or less with what I've got going

#

yoink

#

I don't need another mad formula

#

lol

#

I've originally had heavy armor limited at 3

#

it was too much, esp for lower tiers like still and iron

#

hence 2.5

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 10:34 PM

#

yeah

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 10:34 PM

#

but with 3 being for god tier armor

#

fair and square

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 10:34 PM

#

but it's fairer for high tier staff

#

and no arbitrary values for armor types as it's not always clear cut

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 10:34 PM

#

yup

#

This wll make shields significantly stronger than anything else at parrying, but they already kind of are

#

So yeah, I'm yoinking that

#

and it's thematically appropriate for a shield to be useful

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 10:36 PM

#

in Vanilla, shields are the ONLY things that can "parry"

#

they should be stronger

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 10:37 PM

#

yah

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 10:37 PM

#

and in 90% of my test fights I've been using 2h weapons

#

they work fine for parries

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 10:37 PM

#

as they should, :P

#

I'll keep move speed penalty and sounds for shields by category, ofc,

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 10:38 PM

#

yeah

#

that's fair

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 10:38 PM

#

but effect yeah - makes sense to separate

#

Oh, you've tested shield. I've quite heavily nerfed movespeed, esp with heavy shields when guard is raised. Feel fine, or needs adjustment?

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 10:40 PM

#

I used iron shield. Felt ok.

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 10:41 PM

#

excellent

#

It's currently capping speed at 55%

#

when block is raised

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 10:42 PM

#

Makes sense to slow you down on approach. Constant static guard is easy with shield and needs drawbacks.

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 10:42 PM

#

so what's going to happen for shields.

Final result will be yourFormula * valueFromSetting

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 10:42 PM

#

inner hare Makes sense to slow you down on approach. Constant static guard is easy with shi...

and helps archer players vs shielded NPCs

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 10:42 PM

#

Yeah. Good balance measure.

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 10:42 PM

#

cause, you know. Another big balance change, shield protects against arrows

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 10:43 PM

#

Exactly

#

Todd didn't think about it 🤡

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 10:44 PM

#

I mean.. I'm willing to bet, that if they had another year - we'd not only gotten more varied melee weapon range, but something very similar to this as a block system as well

#

At least I think so

#

problem is - they didn't have that yer

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 10:44 PM

#

They were almost broke todd

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 10:44 PM

#

yup

#

I have a luxury of a separate stable job, even if I need to work when I want to work on the mod :P

#

And actually. I probably want to do the same armor class thing for gauntlets

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 10:50 PM

#

Yeah but lower values, I guess

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 10:50 PM

#

ye

#

Will need to look in cs at the base armor

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 10:51 PM

#

It's the same

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 10:51 PM

#

bleugh

#

then different formula

#

idea is - 2 heavy gauntlets add up to 1

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 10:51 PM

#

Ok

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 10:51 PM

#

so it wil lbe "two best gauntlests add up to 1"

true umbra Apr 14, 2026, 10:56 PM

#

Will there be another update soon?

#

🤔

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 10:56 PM

#

Not today

#

I'm stuck at work

#

I wfh, and can see discord on my personal laptop, but can't work on anything much mod wise

true umbra Apr 14, 2026, 10:57 PM

#

👻

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 10:57 PM

#

rustic latch so it wil lbe "two best gauntlests add up to 1"

0,1+(AR-5)/75 for each

true umbra Apr 14, 2026, 10:58 PM

#

Perfect parries and perfect shields are performed by blocking at the last moment right

#

Regardless of skill level?

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 10:59 PM

#

true umbra Perfect parries and perfect shields are performed by blocking at the last moment...

More or less, yes. When you become "parrying" you have a short window while your parry is considered "perfect"

true umbra Apr 14, 2026, 10:59 PM

#

Nice

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 11:00 PM

#

inner hare 0,1+(AR-5)/75 for each

I've arrived at

#

but close enough

#

simpler formula means I can use a grapher to get the visual

#

which is nice

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 11:00 PM

#

Here it doesn't need to be complex.

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 11:00 PM

#

yeah

#

just sometihng I was very much missing while working on other formulas

#

maybe I over engineerd those

#

but too late now - redoing them would mean retesting from the ground up

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 11:01 PM

#

No need if they work

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 11:02 PM

#

Ya'll tell me, if they do. Mathematically they produce results, but do they work - we'll really see after someone does a good 50-60 hour playthrough with it

#

Seem to feel fine, and I did a lot of setkill x in console to test, but I don't know if my "feels right" is median enough

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 11:07 PM

#

I felt that it was a bit too easy right out of the gate but good at high skill. If you implement those message boxes, it will be waaay easier to tell because all the % HP and % FAT debug data will be shown immediately. Sometimes it's hard to tell because of dmg variation. Only perfect parry is easy because of sound and 0 dmg.

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 11:08 PM

#

Oh definitely will. Easy, just a bit annoying

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 11:10 PM

#

inner hare I felt that it was a bit too easy right out of the gate but good at high skill. ...

lower skill curve steps maybe... I've raised most of them yesterday after realizing getStatCurve takes first step twice and fixing it

#

no, I'm a dumbass, that would be the opposite

#

Anyway, messages first

#

then checking and tuning

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 11:11 PM

#

rustic latch Oh definitely will. Easy, just a bit annoying

It's also useful for testing because then you can use stupidly low or high values and you will immediately get a message about the effect. You won't have to guess or base it on vibe or search in the console which takes longer.

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 11:11 PM

#

More so for players than for me, I usually have console logs open on a second monitor

#

see values immediately

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 11:12 PM

#

Fair

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 11:12 PM

#

tail-f|grep our lord and saviour

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 11:12 PM

#

I wonder how many of playtesters did that

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 11:12 PM

#

two decades of grepping logs - still no better solution in sight

rustic latch Apr 14, 2026, 11:12 PM

#

inner hare I wonder how many of playtesters did that

probably none

#

hence I agree with the need for messages :P

inner hare Apr 14, 2026, 11:13 PM

#

rustic latch probably none

That would be my guess 😉

true umbra Apr 15, 2026, 9:05 AM

#

@rustic latch Howdy. Not sure if this is relevant but being over-encumbered seems to cause jitters. It becomes impossible to parry and only light attacks are possible. I figured this out through the Bodily Injuries mod.

tough juniper Apr 15, 2026, 9:08 AM

#

I've been encumbered a few times without experiencing jitters so it's not universal anyway, some conflict maybe

#

Or mobile related 🤔

true umbra Apr 15, 2026, 9:09 AM

#

Most likely, yeah. Bodily Injuries sometimes gives out penalties to Strength... maybe that's it?

tough juniper Apr 15, 2026, 9:11 AM

#

Not sure, I'm not familiar with that mod but maybe 🤷 Maybe try with bodily injuries removed and see if the problem persists?

true umbra Apr 15, 2026, 9:12 AM

#

🙏

#

I'll go get my health damaged by a bonewalker and see if the same issue appears.

#

Seems like damage to health is the problem? Hmm...

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 9:20 AM

#

true umbra Most likely, yeah. Bodily Injuries sometimes gives out penalties to Strength... ...

yes, it does. Just an ability which is removed if you restore health.

#

what's your encumbrance?

#

if it's sth like 285/295 then you may face issues at lower HP with Bodily Injuries until you restore HP back to a high lvl

true umbra Apr 15, 2026, 9:22 AM

#

Ye, that's how I found out it was Boduly Injuries

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 9:27 AM

#

true umbra I'll go get my health damaged by a bonewalker and see if the same issue appears.

you may get more problems there because greater bonewalkers damage strength as well 😄

true umbra Apr 15, 2026, 9:30 AM

#

My mistake, yeah I meant damage to health seems to be the issue

#

Could be just on my end

#

I'll take it as a feature

#

Now damage to health is fatal because only magic becomes viable

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 9:39 AM

#

true umbra <@681306411229380669> Howdy. Not sure if this is relevant but being over-encumbe...

Uh. I should have documented that. I blanket forbid parry if player can't move. Which includes overencumbrance. Same for NPCs too. Will add a message when one tries to parry and can't cause of that

true umbra Apr 15, 2026, 9:45 AM

#

rustic latch Uh. I should have documented that. I blanket forbid parry if player can't move. ...

HMM, no wonder... I see now, thanks.

#

So what this means is that if I Burden an NPC they are incapable of parrying, interesting.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 9:54 AM

#

burden, paralyze, exhaust so they are knocked down, damage strength etc

#

which, imo all make sense thematically, except the burden needs communicated to player

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 10:00 AM

#

Sounds fine. Just display a message when you try to parry and it's impossible.

#

Messages, hehe. New favourite gimmick.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 10:01 AM

#

Only makes sense to display on encumbrance, the rest, I think, are self-evident

#

paralysis, knockout etc

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 10:01 AM

#

Yeah

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 10:30 AM

#

Good morning ya'll

** 1.0.0-RC2 **

I didn't have time for much, but a couple improvements based on feedback:

Fixed a bug where sparks VFX won't play on perfect block with a shield
Added a Can't parry right now, you're overencumbered message box
Gauntlests and shields now take effectiveness from base armor rating, instead of armor category
Better compatibility with Skill Evolution on my end, using SE interface if it's present.
- Mym also has a new version of SE that fixes the skill gain interaction with N'Garde, so if you use SE - do update when it's posted.

The rest that's been talked about today and yesterday is not forgotten, but I'll get to it a bit later

#

And a reminder to please vote in the polls here:
#1482416741077356692 message

and here:
#1482416741077356692 message

if you didn't already

strong lynx Apr 15, 2026, 10:37 AM

#

inner hare I took a look at base AR of all standard armor and it seems that 5 is weak (like...

Is that fir damage reduction or stamina consumption or both? I love firmulas as much as anyone else, but i feel like expectation will be there that even the shottiest shield can SIGNIFICANTLY protect you, otherwise whats a point of using light shields? Now if they consume a ton of stamina and maybe break quick and maybe defend from "only" 75% damage that will make sense

#

(at a reasonable blocking skill)

#

Or like that even the lightest shield will be noticeably better than blocking with a weapon

#

Also are autoblocks still in or is it all active blocking now?

#

But then on the other hand if blocking with a shield is semi-shitty it will insentifise parrying instead of turtle-blocking, and im all for that

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 10:44 AM

#

strong lynx Is that fir damage reduction or stamina consumption or both? I love firmulas as ...

Shield effectiveness with the new formula starts 1 and goes up from there

#

so even shitties shield is better than a dagger or a short mace

#

with base settings

#

however

strong lynx Apr 15, 2026, 10:45 AM

#

Gotcha, thats nice

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 10:45 AM

#

the shittiest shield in the game is literally made of paper

#

well, leather

#

but same deal

#

so it will break fast

#

Fatigue cost for parrying is also currently scaled with "tool" weight. I think I may move that into constant drain formula once I get to it

#

But this effectively means that I've slotted myself into base game balance for items. - Light armor is still the best

strong lynx Apr 15, 2026, 10:47 AM

#

Tbf big animals with thick skin can just tank small caliber bullets, so maybe leather is not thaaat bad

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 10:47 AM

#

It's netch leather - I'm not convinced flying jellyfish hide will be much effective

#

But it's there

#

and is reasonably effective

strong lynx Apr 15, 2026, 10:47 AM

#

Or maybe its just cos they also have a ton of flesh to them to stop the bullet, prob both

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 10:48 AM

#

Kagouti hide armor from TR -e.g. will be much more effective

#

etc

#

just on base AR

strong lynx Apr 15, 2026, 10:48 AM

#

rustic latch It's netch leather - I'm not convinced flying jellyfish hide will be much effect...

Probably many times layered though, otherwise why even wttempt to use it as a shield if its literally worse than no shield

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 10:48 AM

#

Yeah, hence 1. - Slightly less effective than a 1h sword, more effective than a dagger

#

parry arc much wider than a dagger

#

but shifted left cause moving shield far to your right is not trivial

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 10:49 AM

#

Even Chitin has 10 AR

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 10:49 AM

#

Am I about to get a "parry arc!?" message?

strong lynx Apr 15, 2026, 10:50 AM

#

But im just yapping ofc, it doesnt have to be realistic, having it tied to ingame armor tiers makes a lotta sense ofc

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 10:50 AM

#

5 AR is THE shittiest

strong lynx Apr 15, 2026, 10:50 AM

#

rustic latch Am I about to get a "parry arc!?" message?

Probably not

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 10:50 AM

#

yeah, and with the formula you cooked up - I like the line it makes

strong lynx Apr 15, 2026, 10:51 AM

#

Although technically its not an arc, its a sector, muahaha

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 10:51 AM

#

whatever

strong lynx Apr 15, 2026, 10:51 AM

#

Haha

strong lynx Apr 15, 2026, 10:52 AM

#

rustic latch Yeah, hence 1. - Slightly less effective than a 1h sword, more effective than a ...

I personally wouldve expected it to be on a level of 2h swords, otherwise it sounds useless

#

But eh, whatevs

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 10:52 AM

#

strong lynx I personally wouldve expected it to be on a level of 2h swords, otherwise it sou...

that's for netch leather shield

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 10:52 AM

#

Steel shield is better than 2h

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 10:52 AM

#

steel will be 1.6 better than 2h sword

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 10:52 AM

#

Glass will be 3.0

#

Indoril 3.0

#

Dreugh 3.0

#

And shields block arrows

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 10:53 AM

#

If/when Ralts gets back and releases/updates inventory extender - I may need to add tooltip integration and just show it all ingame

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 10:54 AM

#

inner hare And shields block arrows

Including enchanted arrows, so yeah, shields are plenty strong

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 10:59 AM

#

Shield effectiveness is scalable in settings so with sth like 1.5 even a shit netch shield would have parity with daedric claymore, I guess.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 10:59 AM

#

yeah, if one wants to go that way

#

Those values in settings currently go 0..2, imo plenty enough to tune as one desires

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 12:05 PM

#

rustic latch Fatigue cost for parrying is also currently scaled with "tool" weight. I think I...

shouldn't fatigue cost for parrying/blocking depend on the incoming damage? Intuitively, I would expect a strong hit to be harder to parry or block than a weak one and thus more tiring. In other words, Fatigue cost per parry/block scaled by player's skill and incoming damage. If not damage for reasons (e.g. technical ones), then maybe enemy weapon weight but ofc, there are HTH and creature attacks as well (which can be blocked with a shield in Vanilla and I assume that this will be the default setting here as well).

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 12:05 PM

#

you're right on h2h - it is blockable

#

give me a sec

#

so the fatigue cost already kind of scales with incoming damage

#

what happens->
on weak parry - we reduce the attack.damage.health

#

then we add what's left to attack.damage.fatigue

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 12:07 PM

#

ah

#

then fine

true umbra Apr 15, 2026, 12:07 PM

#

By the way thanks for the mod, really nice work

#

😘

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 12:07 PM

#

What I've described above also means that fatigue damage scales down as you get better skills

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 12:07 PM

#

and how does it scale?

#

because it's not described anywhere

#

how much on block 100, 50 and 25

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 12:08 PM

#

yeah, yeah I know

#

docs

#

Or do you want values right now?

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 12:08 PM

#

well, if you have them

#

I assume that you have the formula

#

just not described

#

in detail

#

in a doc

#

I know that "base" is 25 by default

#

for fatigue

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 12:19 PM

#

So, it's two formulas

there's a flat cost - for which 25 is base.

it's (25 +item.weight/10) * max(1 - (((mainSkillCurve + secondarySkillCurve) / 100) + (effectiveness * 0.1)), 0)

and then the damage cost

which is inverse of parry defence multiplier

max(1 - min(0.2 + (((secondarySkillCurve + mainSkillCurve) * fatiguePercentage) / 100) * effectiveness, 1))

let's say you took 100 health damage on a weak parry with a shield, at full fatigue, and your block skill is 65
skill curve step for this formula is 60
and let's say it was a netch shield
then
max(1 -min(0.2 + ((((60 + (5* .95) + 60 + (5* .95)) * 1 )/100) * 1,1 ),0)

at this skill level - the factor will be 0, so you will negate all incoming damage, and take no fatigue damage, but will reflect 50% of damage as fatigue back to the attacker.

at e.g. 30 skill level via the same formula you will negate about 60% of damage, half of that will go to the attacker, and 40% of original damage you will take as fatigue

skill curve is my idea of diminishing returns e.g. with curve step of 50 - every next 50 skill points are worth 5% less in this formula, so 100 skill will be counted as 95

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 12:20 PM

#

Then you 🙏🏻 . I will dig into this.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 12:20 PM

#

It's a bit convoluted

#

but diminshing returns thing is there for two reasons - to make fortify over 100 worth something

#

and to make skills over 100 with SE or other uncappers feel better

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 12:21 PM

#

rustic latch It's a bit convoluted

That's how magic can be done.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 12:22 PM

#

Do note that at half fatigue - the damage reduction factor is literally cut in half, with default settings

#

It's plain multiplier that goes from 0 to 1, so you can't effectively defend yourself at close to zero fatigue

#

same goes for perfect parry window

#

my intent was for the player to drink potions or run in that situation

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 12:24 PM

#

Fatigue makes things dynamic, the idea is good

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 12:25 PM

#

rustic latch So, it's two formulas there's a flat cost - for which 25 is base. it's `(25 +...

Looking at this - it may be currently overtuned though. full damage negation at 65 block may be too early

#

...But that's on full fatigue only

#

eh, I'll need to think about it

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 1:01 PM

#

poll_question_text

Since it was intoduced did you mostly test/play with "All Attacks Hit" mode

victor_answer_votes

8

total_votes

12

victor_answer_id

2

victor_answer_text

Off

#

poll_question_text

Since it was intoduced did you mostly test/play with "Hard" mode

victor_answer_votes

5

total_votes

8

victor_answer_id

1

victor_answer_text

On

#

Well, that's decided then and align with what I want. Hardmode will be default and current default will be "quick mode". And "all attacks hit" stays off by default

#

quickmode will help for those that play with controller, or on android, or generally with lower fps, And I will state as much in the setting description

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 1:21 PM

#

rustic latch So, it's two formulas there's a flat cost - for which 25 is base. it's `(25 +...

are main and secondary skills the same for shield blocking?

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 1:22 PM

#

inner hare are main and secondary skills the same for shield blocking?

yes

#

and actually, I'm a dumbass

#

which is surprising no one

#

for those formulas

#

multiply MainSkill by 0.65 post curve, and secondary by 0.3

#

for parry defence

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 1:24 PM

#

and for block defence?

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 1:24 PM

#

same thing

#

For DefenceRatio:

SettingsConstants.defenceSecondarySkillRatio = 0.30```

For FatigueCost:
```SettingsConstants.fatiugeCostMainSkillRatio = 0.4
SettingsConstants.fatiugeCostSecondarySkillRatio = 0.2```

#

So for those formulas:
fatgiue cost
(25 +item.weight/10) * max(1 - (((mainSkillCurve*0.4 + secondarySkillCurve*0.2) / 100) + (effectiveness * 0.1)), 0)
parry defence:
max(1 - min(0.2 + (((secondarySkillCurve0.65 + mainSkillCurve*0.3) * fatiguePercentage) / 100) * effectiveness, 1))

max(1 -min(0.2 + (((((60 + (5* .95))*0.65 + (60 + (5* .95))*0.3) * 1 )/100) * 1,1 ),0)

true umbra Apr 15, 2026, 1:31 PM

#

👻

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 1:33 PM

#

rustic latch So for those formulas: fatgiue cost `(25 +item.weight/10) * max(1 - (((mainSkil...

I'm converting this to Excel as then I will be able to do all the number crunching I want. Does this this look right for flat cost?

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 1:33 PM

#

yeah. Except you'll need a separate formula to get the skillCurve

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 1:34 PM

#

yeah, I just put the number there

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 1:34 PM

#

that's fair

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 1:35 PM

#

but skill curve seems simple from what you described

#

since it's impact is pretty minimal 5-100

#

if you go with 95 for 100

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 1:36 PM

#

relatively yes

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 1:38 PM

#

rustic latch So for those formulas: fatgiue cost `(25 +item.weight/10) * max(1 - (((mainSkil...

you missed "*" near skillcurve for parry defence

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 1:39 PM

#

it's x = x / 1( * 1.05*n )
where n is the step number and x is step length

then for the last step - you just take whatever is left and multuply it by 1.05*n
so for first step divisor is 1, for second it's 1.05 for third 1.1025 etc

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 1:39 PM

#

inner hare you missed "*" near skillcurve for parry defence

so I did

#

I've started the skill curve thing with base divisor being 2, that was falling off way too fast. 1.1 even seemed too fast. So 1.05 it is

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 1:41 PM

#

I think I got this. This is the result for iron shield with 50 block, 100% Fatigue

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 1:41 PM

#

means you'll take 16.8% damage

#

yup

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 1:41 PM

#

time to run some simulations 😁

#

https://tenor.com/view/bookio-book-io-og-book-club-book-mint-minting-books-gif-3278128676997438990

Tenor

#

another one to the list, lmao

#

my testing folder is now big

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 1:44 PM

#

Doing lords work. I'm not great at technical writing and number crunching

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 1:45 PM

#

so these calcs are for standard parries/blocks

#

perfect parry always means 0 dmg

#

right?

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 1:45 PM

#

yup

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 1:45 PM

#

and parry window is affected by skill

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 1:46 PM

#

let me just get you all of them

#

since you already understand what "curve" means

#

Perfect Parry window:
curve step 45
masteryMultiplier = 0.5 + (0.05 * min(10, max(0, (mainSkill + 1 - self.perfectParryThreshold))))

        (SettingsConstants.basePerfectParryWindow + ((mainSkillCurve + secondarySkillCurve) / 100)) *
        fatiguePercentage, SettingsConstants.maxPerfectParryWindow)```

SettingsConstants.perfectParryMainSkillRatio = 0.4
SettingsConstants.perfectParrySecondarySkillRatio = 0.15
SettingsConstants.maxPerfectParryWindow = 0.5
SettingsConstants.basePerfectParryWindow = 0.05```

Parry Cooldown (NPC only):
curve step 60
parryCooldownRatio = max(1 - ((mainSkillCurve + secondarySkillCurve) / 100) * fatiguePercentage, 0)
parryCooldown = max(SettingsConstants.baseParryCooldown * parryCooldownRatio,SettingsConstants.minParryCooldown)
if attack was ranged:
parryCooldown = parryCooldown / self.rangedThreatCooldownDivisor

SettingsConstants.parryCooldownSecondarySkillRatio = 0.35
SettingsConstants.minParryCooldown = 0.5
SettingsConstants.baseParryCooldown = 2.5```

#

Reaction Time(NPC Only). This one is a doozy:
curve step 60
factor = max(1 - ((mainSkillCurve + secondarySkillCurve + speedCurve) / 100), 0)
reactionTimeExtra = 0.0 + random(-0.050, 0.050))
reactionTime = SettingsConstants.npcReactionTimeMin + (SettingsConstants.npcReactionTimeBase * factor) + reactionTimeExtra
if not self.quickMode then reactionTime = reactionTime - 0.1 -- flat decrease to reaction time for hard mode end
if Helpers:rollNdM(1, 100, 93) > 0 then reactionTime = reactionTime - 0.1 end
reactionTime = max(reactionTime, SettingsConstants.npcReactionTimeMin) min again, so that it still can't go below minimum

SettingsConstants.npcReactionTimeBase = 0.55
SettingsConstants.npcReactionTimeSpeedFactor = 0.5
SettingsConstants.npcReactionTimeMainSkillFactor = 0.5
SettingsConstants.npcReactionTimeSecondarySkillFactor = 0.2```


ParryHold Duration (NPC Only):
curve step 60
```local ratio = max(1 - ((mainSkillCurve + secondarySkillCurve) / 100), 0)```
```local holdDuration = SettingsConstants.parryHoldBaseDuration + (1 * ratio)```

```SettingsConstants.parryHoldBaseDuration = 0.6
SettingsConstants.parryHoldDurationMainSkillRatio = 0.55
SettingsConstants.parryHoldDurationSecondarySkillRatio = 0.45```

Stagger Cooldown:
curve step 100
```cooldown = max(SettingsConstants.staggerCooldownMin + ((strengthCurve + enduranceCurve + secondarySkillCurve) / 100),
        SettingsConstants.staggerCooldownMax)```

```SettingsConstants.staggerCooldownMin = 0.4
SettingsConstants.staggerCooldownMax = 2.2
SettingsConstants.staggerCooldownStrengthRatio = 0.75
SettingsConstants.staggerCooldownSecondarySkillRatio = 0.1
SettingsConstants.staggerCooldownEnduranceRatio = 0.8```


And you have fatigue cost and parry defence factor already

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 1:57 PM

#

ha ha, docs on DIscord 36vehks

#

good, good

#

📋

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 1:58 PM

#

Copied it out into a docs file already

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 1:59 PM

#

you could consider displaying block/parry effectiveness for currently equipped shield or weapon by using Stat Window Extender

#

in a tooltip

#

not that it's important for gameplay

#

UI only

#

the AI stuff (cooldowns, reactions etc.) is sth that the player is not meant to see so not relevant for the UI

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:04 PM

#

https://gitlab.com/Arrean/openmwluaparry/-/wikis/Formulas here

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:05 PM

#

inner hare you could consider displaying block/parry effectiveness for currently equipped s...

Eh, not sure about that one. Tooltip where? On the skill?

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:13 PM

#

rustic latch Eh, not sure about that one. Tooltip where? On the skill?

yeah, that's what I've been thinking. Hover over Block and you get it. Not sth important, though. Just sth that came up.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:14 PM

#

inner hare yeah, that's what I've been thinking. Hover over Block and you get it. Not sth i...

But get what? For all weapons? For currently equipped one? What if you have non equipped? It will be very inconsistent

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:14 PM

#

currently equipped

#

the only thing that makes sense

#

if nothing equipped, then HTH. Actually... is Block important for HTH blocking as well?

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:15 PM

#

It is

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:15 PM

#

ok

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:15 PM

#

I thought about using unarmored instead

#

but block for consistency

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:25 PM

#

rustic latch https://gitlab.com/Arrean/openmwluaparry/-/wikis/Formulas here

404 FYI

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:25 PM

#

bleugh

#

I thought i've fixed permissions

#

hang on a sec

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:26 PM

#

rustic latch So, it's two formulas there's a flat cost - for which 25 is base. it's `(25 +...

this fatigue-hit-for-the-attacker thing... how is it calculated?

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:26 PM

#

inner hare this fatigue-hit-for-the-attacker thing... how is it calculated?

Half of the negated damage

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:26 PM

#

ok

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:26 PM

#

Try wiki now

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:27 PM

#

rustic latch Half of the negated damage

making progress with the simulation spreadsheet

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:27 PM

#

28 doesn't seem right

#

oh, no hold on

#

half of 58

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:28 PM

#

yeah

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:28 PM

#

I need my coffee

#

:P

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:28 PM

#

wiki works now

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:29 PM

#

excellent

#

I'll fill it out as I have time

#

Probably separate individual formulas into their own pages, and add plain text descriptions

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:30 PM

#

fatigue hit for the defender is just the remaining damage?

#

or the substracted?

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:30 PM

#

yeah

#

remaining

#

so that as you get better - you get less fatigue damage and enemy gets more

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:31 PM

#

ok, so HP dmg = FAT dmg for the player

#

it's basically dmg * parry defence

#

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:32 PM

#

yeah

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:32 PM

#

cool

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:32 PM

#

the flat value we got earlier

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:32 PM

#

item weight factor isn't too significant. Nothing to worry about here

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:33 PM

#

I didn't want to make it significant cause items weights in the game are stupid

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:33 PM

#

yes because they are not even pure weight

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:33 PM

#

and all over the place

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:33 PM

#

it's more like weight unit

#

it's abstracted as we have no volume in-game

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:33 PM

#

inner hare yes because they are not even pure weight

and abstraction of size yeah

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:33 PM

#

if it was "realistic", you would be able to carry 100 swords easily

#

and that's stupid as well

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:33 PM

#

Eeeeh

#

that's like 80 kilos best case

#

I wouldn't call that "easily" :P

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:34 PM

#

10 watermelons aren't THAT heavy

#

try carrying them

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:35 PM

#

Nah, that's fair. I'm just saying if it was realistic weights - we'd need realistic carry capacity too

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:35 PM

#

yeah

#

item volume

#

like backpack grid

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:35 PM

#

and that's "encumbered and slow" at like 30 kg

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:35 PM

#

and items which you have equipped are not the same as carried

#

30 kg spread over the body is different than 30 kg in a backpack

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:35 PM

#

even if it packed in a good modern backpack and you're in a decent shape - lugging aroudn 30-40 kg is not trivial

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:35 PM

#

but that's not this mod 😄

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:36 PM

#

Yeah, it isn't thank fuck

#

Not dealing with that :P

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:36 PM

#

rustic latch even if it packed in a good modern backpack and you're in a decent shape - luggi...

yeah. Paratroopers in the WWII carried more but they lost half of that on approach 36vehks

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:37 PM

#

We've used to go camping in the mountains, And I was on water duty. ~30 liters of water in a good modern alpine pack, 3km there and back. I was in much better shape then - but I do know how it feels

#

Not fun to lug around

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:38 PM

#

I think that knights actually had it easier than modern soldiers in terms of carried equipment. Armor weight was distributed over the whole body. They didn't have to carry ammo and such. They had squires. They didn't even have to use backpacks.

#

squire alone means that you basically have a servant

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:40 PM

#

To some extent yeah. But not every man-at-arms was a knight with a squire, and e.g. in 14-16th they've carried comparable equipment

#

but well made armor is surprisingly easy to move around in yeah

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:40 PM

#

I think Roman legionnaires could be more similar to modern soldiers overall

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:40 PM

#

In terms of luggin a fuckton on the march - yeah

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:41 PM

#

they carried everything and constructed forts

#

they were like players with shitton of stuff 36vehks

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:42 PM

#

yup

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:55 PM

#

rustic latch So for those formulas: fatgiue cost `(25 +item.weight/10) * max(1 - (((mainSkil...

wait, why is parry defence more influenced by secondary skill than main skill?

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:55 PM

#

what

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:55 PM

#

check it out

#

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:55 PM

#

nvm

#

I've put ratios in the wrong palce

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:56 PM

#

ok

#

so it's 0,3 for secondary, 0,65 for main

#

?

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:56 PM

#

in code getStatCurve handles ratios, so they are not in that formula

#

yeah

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:56 PM

#

ok

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:56 PM

#

SettingsConstants.defenceSecondarySkillRatio = 0.30```

#

questionable why the order is reversed there, compared to everything else, not like it matters, but I'll swap them around -that's why I got confused when typing up the formula here

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 2:57 PM

#

🙂

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 2:57 PM

#

Yeah, it's correct in code:

local secondarySkillCurve = self:getStatCurve(secondarySkill, SettingsConstants.defenceSecondarySkillRatio,skillCurveStep)```

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:02 PM

#

I'm not sure I converted that part right but I will make sure. At 0 Fatigue it doesn't matter at all whether you have 0 skill or 1000 skill for parry defence. The result is always the same.

#

#

if that's intended, then I will say that it's a bit dubious

#

if I converted sth wrong, then I will fix it

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:08 PM

#

Why is it dubious?

#

You're exhausted and any poke will bring you down gasping for air on the ground?

#

20% defence is the absolute minimum I allow in that situation, as a last resort ineffective attempt at defence

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:09 PM

#

what is dubious is that it doesn't matter whether you have skill 5 or skill 100

#

or 1000

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:09 PM

#

And it shouldn't at 0 fatigue, I think

#

base game at 0 fatigue - you can't fight effectively, any hit will knock you out

#

why this would be different

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:10 PM

#

this isn't how Vanilla works. You will get much lower hit chance at 0 Fatigue, for example. Not the same hit chance for skill 5 and skill 100. Skill still matters. Same with attributes.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:10 PM

#

I see what you mean

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:11 PM

#

you are still a very experienced fighter at skill 100. Makes sense that you can deal with it in a better way than a Seyda Neen grunt.

#

I agree that Fatigue should have high impact. Just not the same for 0 in all situations.

#

note that if you get KO on the ground, then you will get penalized for that, anyway. You cannot retaliate.

#

then parry defence doesn't matter

#

it matters only when you are standing

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:12 PM

#

But you won't be standing for any length of time

#

if you try to parry - you are down

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:12 PM

#

if you get KO, then that's fair

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:12 PM

#

immediately, btw

#

cause there's a passive drain too

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:12 PM

#

it can get to 0

#

actually

#

but that's besides the point. KO is KO. You are lying on the ground. Before that, it's a different story. As long as you are standing, other stuff should matter and that's why it seems dubious to give static result for parry defence at Fatigue 0 no matter what.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:14 PM

#

What I'm trying to say is that "as long " won't be long at all

#

approaching 0 not long

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:16 PM

#

rustic latch What I'm trying to say is that "as long " won't be long at all

#

flat cost 0

#

parry defence 0,8

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:17 PM

#

I mean... What we can probably do. Is move the fatigue multiplier to the outside of the formula? and maybe cap it at like 90%? So anything below 10% fatigue is the same, but slightly different based on skill level

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:17 PM

#

this is Morrowind hit chance for comparison

#

as you can see, Fatigue has a big impact, but everything else matters as well even at 0 Fatigue

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:18 PM

#

yeah, that's what happening at 50% fatigue effect formula settings

#

well, basically

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:19 PM

#

rustic latch I mean... What we can probably do. Is move the fatigue multiplier to the outside...

cap could work. Currently 10% Fatigue gives better result.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:19 PM

#

yeah, so that fatigue multiplier never goes below 10%

#

so it can't set skill values to 0

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:19 PM

#

this is better than it being static

#

the impact is still huge

#

but not static

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:20 PM

#

I mean - 10% damage reduction imo is generous

#

at that level of exhaustion

#

how about 15%?

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:22 PM

#

rustic latch how about 15%?

this will make skill matter more which is fine by me

#

I'm not sure what you mean by generous here

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:23 PM

#

inner hare I'm not sure what you mean by generous here

I imagine fatigue 0 being almost lethal levels of exhaustion, esp in combat. So blocking 33% damage at high skill level instead of ~20% at low - that's the generous part :D

#

that formula was dumb, I put the thing in a wrong place

#

Like this:
(1 - min((SettingsConstants.baseParryDefenceFactor + (((mainSkillCurve + secondarySkillCurve)) / 100) * self.activeParryConfig.effectiveness) * fatiguePercentage, 1))

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:28 PM

#

rustic latch I imagine fatigue 0 being almost lethal levels of exhaustion, esp in combat. So ...

we know from other Vanilla formulas that it's not exactly lethal. It's just high impact. However, I want to make sure that we are talking about the same thing here. Capping Fatigue effect at 15% makes skill more imporant, not less. Here you can see parry defence 0,61 and 0,79 with 15%. For comparison, with 10% it would be 0,79 and 0,67. Therefore, skill matters more at 15% than at 10%. I'm all for capping the effect at that higher 15% level btw. Just note that it makes skill matter more, not less.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:29 PM

#

inner hare we know from other Vanilla formulas that it's not exactly lethal. It's just high...

No, no. That's what I mean, for it mo matter a bit more than at 10%

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:29 PM

#

ah, then ok

#

it's the Vanilla way

#

I'm all for it

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:29 PM

#

And I like those numbers

#

40% defence at 100/100

#

about 20 at 5/5

#

all of that with 0 fatigue

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:30 PM

#

rustic latch 40% defence at 100/100

less than that. Not even 33%

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:30 PM

#

well 39

#

but how do you get 33?

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:30 PM

#

ah, ok

#

you mean 15%

#

ok

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:30 PM

#

yeah

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:30 PM

#

39

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:31 PM

#

I like the 15% numbers

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:31 PM

#

yep

#

ok

#

as for flat fatigue cost, I like what I'm seeing. It seems like sth easy to balance just by tweaking the base cost if necessary. 25 seems like a good base. Item weight has a subtle impact, nothing crucial but it's still there. This is good considering the way Vanilla uses weight and all the item overhauls floating around.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:33 PM

#

Good, now I think I'm going to clamp the fatigue percent impact for the rest of the formulas that use it too

#

only makes sense

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:33 PM

#

I'm taking it one thing at a time 😄

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:35 PM

#

Oh, it was/is at the same level of impact - meaning it plunged formulas straight to 0

#

parry cooldown

#

perfect window

#

etc

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:35 PM

#

...

#

todd

#

good that it's being playtested 😄

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:36 PM

#

inner hare good that it's being playtested 😄

I don't believe anyone would've ever had an issue with it gameplay wise

#

you're never at 0 fatigue long

#

you drink a potion or you are dead

#

or teleport away

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:36 PM

#

I actually fought at 0 Fatigue plenty of times

#

it's not as "deadly" as you suggest

#

but it's the source of mudcrab memes

#

can't hit a mudcrab

#

yeah...

#

because of 0 Fatigue and 5 skill

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:37 PM

#

It is with additional fatigue cost that I have, cause the act of raising guard will tick 3 points of fatigue damage and you're down on the ground

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:37 PM

#

inner hare as for flat fatigue cost, I like what I'm seeing. It seems like sth easy to bala...

BTW you can get flat cost to 0 but it requires skill at supernatural level. For top tier shields like Ebony or Dae, it requires around 118 Block. For iron shield, it requires sth like 145. At a glance, that seems fair.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:38 PM

#

^That's good

#

about what I was aiming for

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:38 PM

#

rustic latch It is with additional fatigue cost that I have, cause the act of raising guard w...

no because Fatigue regen exists

#

not with your default setting atm

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:38 PM

#

I mean, probably

#

but we've solved it, so all good :P

#

Now, need to renamed the "fatigue effects" setting and update description

#

cause it now affects all calcs that use fatigue

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 3:39 PM

#

wait for other stuff

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 3:39 PM

#

Sure, am not doing much right now besides taking notes and coding the work stuff on the work laptop

#

Also, noticed that formatting got all fucked on that formulas wiki page. Will need to redo it

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 4:05 PM

#

So far I'm liking parry defence calculations. With high quality shield, you can get to 100% damage reduction quite easily but that only lasts while Fatigue level is very high. I'm wondering whether Max will read this as he suggested that shields were underpowered. An Ebony Shield with 3.0 effectiveness will give 100% damage reduction at skill level 30. 100%. I repeat, no damage at 30 skill. However, one caveat. Only at very high Fatigue level, i.e. sth like 95-100%. Since you will get flat cost, that won't last long and you will soon start receiving some damage on default settings.

Anyway, I think that the general approach is right, same as differences in shield quality (iron shield won't give the same result as daedric). What I would suggest, though, is adding a toggle for scaled guard cost. The idea is to keep that static Fatigue cost (3 by default ATM) as base and add an optional multiplier scaled by skill. Make it noticeable but not too strong unless the player deliberately uses such a setting. Proposed formula: staticguardvalue+scaledguardvalue*(1-skill/100). For example, with 3 as static and 5 as the scaledguardvalue, at 25 it would be 3+3,75, at 50 skill it would be 3+2,5 and at 100 it would be 3+0. Clear skill differences but it's never too high as even 6-7 guard Fatigue cost doesn't lower Fatigue by much (natural Fatigue regen still applies). At 100 skill level you are down to static only. All of this would be optional.

Note that I deliberately made the formula simple af.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 4:14 PM

#

Yeah, imo that one should be simple af

#

And I agree with the rest

#

So you think another setting
e.g.
base fatigue drain cost = 3
and
additional fatigue drain cost let's say also 3

#

or 4

#

by default, and it will slide from 7 to 3 over the couse of leveling up

#

and will probably use block skill for it

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 4:17 PM

#

Yeah.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 4:17 PM

#

Yeah, I agree with that

strong lynx Apr 15, 2026, 4:34 PM

#

rustic latch If/when Ralts gets back and releases/updates inventory extender - I may need to ...

Oh yea that would e been nice

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 4:36 PM

#

inner hare can't hit a mudcrab

strong lynx Apr 15, 2026, 4:36 PM

#

Wil that all work with TR and modded shields as well out of the box?

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 4:37 PM

#

If he uses AR only, it should

#

I doubt that Arrean created a whitelist here

#

He probably just checks (base) AR of equipped shield slot item

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 4:41 PM

#

there's no reason it won't work with modded items

#

including silly things like books implemented as "shields"

#

etc

#

There's no white/blacklists

dusk palm Apr 15, 2026, 4:44 PM

#

inner hare

This is inaccurate
The dunmer would simply call the nord a slur

eager crane Apr 15, 2026, 4:45 PM

#

if it's a general question about modded equipment used in fencing, I confirm that it works out of the 📦

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 4:45 PM

#

eager crane if it's a general question about modded equipment used in fencing, I confirm tha...

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-raiders-of-the-lost-ark-duel-sword-gun-gif-2799924675001588725

Tenor

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 4:45 PM

#

There's no reason it wouldn't. As long as the mod is not broken, or implemented in a fantastically silly way

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 4:49 PM

#

inner hare He probably just checks (base) AR of equipped shield slot item

yeah

#

local armorRating = self.recordEquippedL.baseArmor

#

and similar for gauntlets/bracers

maiden tangle Apr 15, 2026, 5:08 PM

#

strong lynx Wil that all work with TR and modded shields as well out of the box?

Edited the TR Bonemold Caravaner/Gondolier helmet and also made it into a shield. Works very well too

robust sundial Apr 15, 2026, 5:17 PM

#

Sorry if this has already been asked, but is the parrying automatic or do you use a button press to block? I haven't had a chance to try this out yet

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 5:17 PM

#

Button

#

Try it, @robust sundial . Mod is very fun datchim

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 5:18 PM

#

robust sundial Sorry if this has already been asked, but is the parrying automatic or do you us...

All manual. That's the main idea - we are bringing morrowind combat into mid 2000s 36vehks

#

Do try the latest version and let me know. We've yapped a bit since, so here's the latest released archive.

I'm hoping to get it on nexus in the next week or so, but needs a bit more testing before that and I have been swamped on my actual work

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 5:20 PM

#

No attachment

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 5:20 PM

#

Yeah

#

didn't go through

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 5:21 PM

#

robust sundial Apr 15, 2026, 5:22 PM

#

What's the default key to block/parry? Also how would I change it?

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 5:23 PM

#

OpenMw can't do defaults

candid wren Apr 15, 2026, 5:23 PM

#

I’ve been looking at this a ton and love everything about it can’t wait to try it, I shouldn’t use this with shields up?

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 5:23 PM

#

go into settings -> scripts-> find N'Garde

#

set it to whatever you like

robust sundial Apr 15, 2026, 5:26 PM

#

Ah yeah, so I made a one handed sword into a two handed sword with GRIP, the animation is off which is not unexpected because GRIP does have this without N'Garde but it's more hidden since the hands/arms are always mostly out of sight

#

It's really more the weapon model's handgrip not being made to support two hands

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 5:30 PM

#

yeah, that's the kind of animation weirdness I was referring to

#

It's present on some base game weapons, e.g. the Daedric Croissant, but that's the price we pay - can't exactly do animation per weapon model

robust sundial Apr 15, 2026, 5:37 PM

#

Right, that makes sense. Would it be possible to be able to switch between charging an attack and blocking? For example, hold down LMB to charge attack, then at the same time hold down RMB to switch to blocking, without attacking in between? It works great the other way around, going from blocking to charging attack (Hold RMB to block, then simultaneously hold LMB to attack, then release RMB to no longer block)

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 5:37 PM

#

robust sundial Right, that makes sense. Would it be possible to be able to switch between charg...

No, it's disabled on purpose, while attack windup is active, or attack animation is playing neither player nor NPCs can suddenly switch to blocking

#

Animations don't blend well, and it doesn't play well either

#

Abstractions and engine limitations apply, RL the difference between parade/attack is much more nebulous, but can't really do that ingame

robust sundial Apr 15, 2026, 5:39 PM

#

Cool, that also makes sense as well!

#

And when an NPC blocks with a wooden spear, it makes a wooden block noise, different than the metallic noise between metal weapons. However, I noticed when I was fighting an NPC who was hand to hand, the NPC would block with his fists, but it would make a metallic clang as if blocking with a metal weapon

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 5:41 PM

#

If they had gauntlets on - I play native "armor hit" sound based on armor category

#

however

#

if the NPC perfect parries - manages to parry your attack just as it is about to hit - I overlay this "high, bright ring" sound - which uniquely identifies that specifically perfect parry has happened. When that happens - the attacker gets briefly staggered allowing for counter attacks

#

It sounds a bit silly for h2h I agree, but I prefer clear aural feedback in this case

#

that sound always means "perfect parry"

robust sundial Apr 15, 2026, 5:43 PM

#

Ahh gotcha

#

You already thought of everything lol

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 5:44 PM

#

About a lot of things, not everyting probably

#

Mod has been in development for over a month and in public testing for just under a month, so I've had time to polish certain things

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 5:49 PM

#

robust sundial And when an NPC blocks with a wooden spear, it makes a wooden block noise, diffe...

How do spear wielding enemies feel btw? :P

robust sundial Apr 15, 2026, 5:55 PM

#

rustic latch How do spear wielding enemies feel btw? :P

Very good, the animations/poses are awesome

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 5:56 PM

#

They should be keeping much longer distance from you

#

at the edge of their weapon range

robust sundial Apr 15, 2026, 5:56 PM

#

Yup, backing up away defensively

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 5:56 PM

#

doitswit The most evil thing I've done with this mod is teaching spear enemies to backpedal

robust sundial Apr 15, 2026, 5:57 PM

#

Lol yup just like the player would do

#

I'm playing N'Garde with Path of the Incarnate modlist, so it might be an incompatibilty, but it doesn't seem like I'm able to block/parry enemy attacks

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 5:58 PM

#

huh

#

it didn't break that way yet for anyone

#

however - you say your NPCs do parry successfully?

robust sundial Apr 15, 2026, 5:59 PM

#

I thought it was low character block skill, but then I made a character with 40 block and it hasn't activated yet

#

Yes the NPCs are working perfectly it looks like

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 5:59 PM

#

are you doing weapon parry or shield?

robust sundial Apr 15, 2026, 5:59 PM

#

I tried both. The animations for them work great

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 6:00 PM

#

Ok

#

Send me your openmw.log please

robust sundial Apr 15, 2026, 6:03 PM

#

It's in documents > my games > OpenMW > openmw.log right? For some reason my .log has a modified date of 1/3/2026

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 6:03 PM

#

yeah https://openmw.readthedocs.io/en/stable/reference/modding/paths.html

Paths | OpenMW

robust sundial Apr 15, 2026, 6:04 PM

#

Hmm I wonder why it didn't generate a log when I exited out of OpenMW

#

I have these in a different location

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 6:05 PM

#

Log is not generated on exit

#

it's written continuosly while the game is running

#

that doesn't look like correct folder

robust sundial Apr 15, 2026, 6:10 PM

#

I was looking to see if it got saved somewhere else for some reason, but the log here is old and hasn't been updated. I might try reinstalling the modlist to see if that fixes it

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 6:10 PM

#

can you just get me that log file?

#

jsut in case windows is beying a lying bitch as always

robust sundial Apr 15, 2026, 6:11 PM

#

Yeah I'll message you

#

Actually message me, I can't message you due to your settings

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 6:15 PM

#

sent you a friend request, but you can just attach the log here

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:21 PM

#

btw if it's not done already, you could make actors less eager to parry/block at low Fatigue. Since it may result in a KO, it's actually smart.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:25 PM

#

I actually didn't implement parry chance at all. Not sure if it'll make much difference for NPCs - they often have stupid high fatigue

#

but makes sense to do

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:26 PM

#

NPCs have same fatigue as the player (just a sum of 4 attributes). Creatures don't.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:26 PM

#

Probably will go simple with it, 100% chance at full, and slowly scaling down

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:26 PM

#

and I KOed many of them

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:26 PM

#

to like 50

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:26 PM

#

yeah

#

but you don't have to start scaling from 100% Fatigue

#

more like 75% Fatigue = 100% and 0 Fatigue = 50%

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:28 PM

#

75%-100% - 100% chance, maybe? and then slowly going down to 50

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:28 PM

#

inner hare more like 75% Fatigue = 100% and 0 Fatigue = 50%

same braincell

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:28 PM

#

great minds think alike

#

36vehks

#

I've been also thinking how best to implement witchering (deflecting arrows with a weapon), if it was to be done. Not even needed for the first official version, just sth to consider for the future. I think it could be a toggle and work like this: perfect parry only and parry window is twice as hard. In other words, all or nothing effect and much more difficult than standard parries.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:39 PM

#

inner hare I've been also thinking how best to implement witchering (deflecting arrows with...

That's all well and good, until I start thinking on how to make NPCs do that. So far all features were "both player and NPC"

#

and separating it doesn't feel good

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:40 PM

#

I agree. For NPCs, I wouldn't even consider it for low skill lvl ones. Basically, enable it only for those who have very high skill. Maybe even only a particular weapon type.

#

not a priority, anyway

#

you definitely don't want to see guards deflecting arrows with halberds as a standard thing or sth

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:41 PM

#

It's very tricky to have them properly do that for ranged attacks

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:41 PM

#

sure

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:41 PM

#

timing is hard

#

especially if the player doesn't use one of overhauls that speeds up projectiles

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:41 PM

#

could be player-only as well considering that it's perfect parry only

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:41 PM

#

cause they are stupid slow in vanilla

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:41 PM

#

yeah

#

it's almost mandatory

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:42 PM

#

inner hare could be player-only as well considering that it's perfect parry only

But NPCs can perfect parry

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:42 PM

#

yeah, I mean ranged only here

#

I can see how it would be hard to teach them that

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:42 PM

#

well, maybe. It's actually in the maybe section of the todo

#

it's been suggested before

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:42 PM

#

and frankly, in many situations it would feel off

#

you don't want to see a guard deflecting your arrow with a warhammer

#

this isn't fun

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:42 PM

#

yup

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:42 PM

#

and doesn't seem believable

#

so there are issues

#

but if Almalexia did it, nobody would bat an eye

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:43 PM

#

Basically only swords seem believable, and only cause we are used to it from movies and games

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:43 PM

#

it's not really a smart thing to do IRL

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:43 PM

#

I used to do a bit of re-enactments

#

and had a pleasure of beign an archer at a demo once

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:43 PM

#

even if it may be technically possible in some circumstances

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:44 PM

#

15kg bow

#

blunt soft tipped arrows

#

safe as can be

#

dude told me he can deflect my shots with a sword

#

lol, lmao even

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:44 PM

#

I saw some videos with "samurai" doing things like that

#

never knew if it was staged BS or not

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:45 PM

#

40 meters roughly distance, incredibly low powered bow, arrows with not great flight cause of the soft tip

#

still stuck him with every single one

#

doitswit

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:45 PM

#

hehehe

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:45 PM

#

it feels roughly like a medium strength punch

#

dude deserved it

#

:P

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:46 PM

#

https://tenor.com/view/damn-right-breaking-bad-gif-14029087

Tenor

#

well, it's stupid to even consider for low skill. That's why I called it witchering. Just may be sth cool for super high skilled players. Limiting it to perfect parries and making it much harder seems like a good start.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:47 PM

#

Still MW is a fantasy land of gods and heroes

#

so, it's on todo in the maybe section

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:48 PM

#

pretty sure Vivec could swat an arrow with mind alone, lmao

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:48 PM

#

However - as I said before - I quite like the gameplay part of "dammit they have bows and I have no shield, run for cover" - feels natural

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:48 PM

#

yeah

#

and it's good to make shields and weapons different

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 8:49 PM

#

As does, "you mofos thought, I brought a tower shield"

#

So, I'm still thinking about it. But definitely like a 1.5 feature or something

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 8:49 PM

#

https://tenor.com/view/valheim-shields-gigachad-gif-1731737327925907824

Tenor

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 9:31 PM

#

Vanilla Block skill description:

"Block skill allows one to use shields to block any melee attack. A successful block removes all damage from the attack."

Suggested change for N'Garde version:

"Block skill affects the effectiveness of using shields to block melee and ranged attacks and slightly contributes to effectiveness of weapon parries. A well-timed block or parry removes all damage from the attack."

NCG-compatible version:

"Block skill affects the effectiveness of using shields to block melee and ranged attacks and slightly contributes to effectiveness of weapon parries. A well-timed block or parry removes all damage from the attack.

Develops your agility and endurance a good amount each, and your strength a bit."

This should make it coherent and Vanilla-like without providing false information.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 9:43 PM

#

I can override those via Stats Window Extender, right?

#

Need to check how exactly to do that

#

I can check if NCG/SE is installed and provide one or the other

inner hare Apr 15, 2026, 9:46 PM

#

That would be the best as then no patch required. Otherwise, manual change.

SE doesn't change skill descriptions AFAIK. NCG does.

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 9:55 PM

#

Let me check if NCG has an interface so I can easily see that it's on

#

Oh, yeah it does

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 11:04 PM

#

🧐

rustic latch Apr 15, 2026, 11:50 PM

#

default is yes, as was behaviour till now, but if someone finds this silly - they can now change it

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 2:31 AM

#

🧐

** 1.0.0 RC3 **

Setting to display debug messages ( on parry only )
Setting to display debug logs (get spammed nerds)
Setting to forbid/allow/shield only blocking non-fencer creatures
Skill gain on block/parry now triggered as scale, not flat value. 2 on perfect parry, 2 - (2*(seconds since perfect parry window closed, up to 0.5))
Parry chance for NPCs, 100% parry chance at 75%-100% fatigue, scaling down to 50% at 0 fatigue.
Hard mode now default. Setting is now for quick mode - quick mode recommended for mobile, low fps etc. In quick mode parry becomes active as soon as the button is pressed.
Fatigue impact now clamped at 85% maximum for all formulas that use it, meaning that effective fatigue ratio as used in the calculations is never lower than 0.15
Fatigue formula setting renamed to better reflect that.
Static+Scaling fatigue drain on holding guard. 3 and 4 by default. Scaling cost is governed by block skill, scales down to 0 at 100 block
Weak parry offers slightly (up to bonus 25%) better protection the closer to the end of perfect parry window it happens
Slightly slower shield raise animation to bring it in line with the rest of them
Animation speed normalized between normal and quick mode

In progress, but I need rest:
sidestep during backpedaling in measure manager - need to figure out how to cast rays to the back and sides of an NPC for obstacle detection.

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:29 AM

#

well, actually. Slightly more info on perfect parry as well for debug messages. No other difference compared to previous file

#

goddammit. And removed test sideMovement from NPCs

📎 NGarde.1.0.0-RC3.zip

true umbra Apr 16, 2026, 3:41 AM

#

Nice

strong lynx Apr 16, 2026, 9:31 AM

#

Theres a way to get a closest navmesh point using the navigation package, or cast a nav ray, those might help you with obstacle detection

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 9:36 AM

#

strong lynx Theres a way to get a closest navmesh point using the navigation package, or cas...

🧐 📝

uncut sun Apr 16, 2026, 10:52 AM

#

maiden tangle Edited the TR Bonemold Caravaner/Gondolier helmet and also made it into a shield...

what is that armor?

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 10:55 AM

#

uncut sun what is that armor?

I've asked Semaro before - it's a custom, a model from Tamriel data that has a cape, then edited to his liking

candid wren Apr 16, 2026, 10:55 AM

#

lol it’s a fan fave but it’s edited from the vanilla textures

uncut sun Apr 16, 2026, 10:55 AM

#

custom

#

nice

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 10:55 AM

#

Should just be on nexus already 36vehks

candid wren Apr 16, 2026, 10:56 AM

#

Yea I wanna learn to add the cape from that armor to the netch curass

uncut sun Apr 16, 2026, 10:56 AM

#

i have been working on a armor overhaul mod for ages. it makes a few armors that are light armor into medium, so i need more light armor

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 10:59 AM

#

uncut sun i have been working on a armor overhaul mod for ages. it makes a few armors that...

Nice!

uncut sun Apr 16, 2026, 11:04 AM

#

general idea. light is not really armor, it might make you survive an extra attack so you can run away. medium is a generalist, there are light medium and heavy medium, think dreugh or bonemold as light and metal chain or similar as heavy, both are in the medium category. heavy is heavy. very heavy and very protective. the best light armor will be about as about as good as the worst to next worst heavy

#

i considered making a thread about it, asking for balancing advice

#

maybe i should

#

the light armor is custom

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 11:08 AM

#

Interesting. And what about glass?

#

I'm guessing it goes into medium in your estimation?

uncut sun Apr 16, 2026, 11:09 AM

#

glass i made medium. that is why chitin is also. it was the boyant armiger problem

#

it also made sense to make it medium because dreugh is medium aswell

#

my general thought is can you put it in a backpack it is light. that implies a notion of malleability

#

anyway i will stop talking about my little project in you thread

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 11:12 AM

#

Nah, you're good

#

And that makes sense - if it's basically cloth - it won't offer too much protection

#

stil more than we usually imagine, but general armor logic is abstracted away in game

#

Imagine if we could do KCD style layered armor system. Oh if only inventory slots were dehardcoded :P

#

gambeson's/arming doublets as an underlayer, etc etc

uncut sun Apr 16, 2026, 11:21 AM

#

i don't like how armor works anyway. i had an idea the other day about a different way to do it. strength and weight are already a good way to moderate not using to heavy armor, and having it affect stealth could discurage you from trying to be a thief in full steel plate. my idea came from the impact effect mod. when you miss you still "hit" them, but no damge is dealt

#

what if armor rating was always applied no matter the skill level, but the dodge chance is what was effected? that was my idea

#

if you had 5 heavy armor and wore a full set, you would always get hit. if you had 100 in it your full evasion chance would be apllied

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 11:23 AM

#

That's actually a nice way to balance it

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 11:23 AM

#

uncut sun i don't like how armor works anyway. i had an idea the other day about a differe...

does kind of affect stealth btw

#

-1 effective sneak for each point of weight on boots

uncut sun Apr 16, 2026, 11:24 AM

#

it would fix the issue of waering full deadric but being less protected than wearing cloth. it would also make hit connect mopre often while still having dice rolls in the game, only coming in to effect later in progression

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 11:25 AM

#

Yeah, the only issue is - I don't know how to communicate that to the player in game, but it's not like the native system is well communicated

uncut sun Apr 16, 2026, 11:26 AM

#

idk either man, i just had the idea

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 11:26 AM

#

No, I love it

#

if it needs any lua to be implemented - I'll be happy to help

#

not 100% sure how to nicely modify hitchance, cause what I do here is meh, but can definitely supplement it

#

assuming you're combining the two, otherwise the latter can be implemented purely in lua probably

#

well, with some caveats. I can see some cursed workaronds to the "effective skill level" so that we always get full AR, but get dodge nerfed into oblivion

young aspen Apr 16, 2026, 11:37 AM

#

Iirc there’s a mwse mod that does that

#

Nimblearmor?

#

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/48251

Nexus Mods :: Morrowind

Nimble Armor

MWSE-lua mod which makes armor contribute to player and npcs evasion modifier as well as allows evading attacks to practice unarmored and light armor skills.

#

Maybe not 100%

willow bridge Apr 16, 2026, 11:46 AM

#

N'garde is a great name. Good job

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 11:48 AM

#

Thankya

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 11:49 AM

#

willow bridge N'garde is a great name. Good job

You try the mod itself at any point? I'm thirsty for pre-release feedback

willow bridge Apr 16, 2026, 11:49 AM

#

I haven't, but I am really eager to

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 11:51 AM

#

recent versions are stable and only in need of balance and incompatibility feedback. Still not sure what caused that issue with POTI yesterday - where NPCs could parry, but player couldn't.

So please do if you have time and inspiration.
Otherwise, if you want to wait for release - that's cool

willow bridge Apr 16, 2026, 11:52 AM

#

I'll try to make time to do it today

uncut sun Apr 16, 2026, 12:25 PM

#

i know i said to not worry to much about external animation mods, but i encountered this

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 12:31 PM

#

I'm not 100% what is the issue? That's a shortsword, right?

uncut sun Apr 16, 2026, 12:38 PM

#

yes it's shortsword with the reanim v2 mod

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 12:38 PM

#

Right

#

and I'm using reanimation too

#

it's supposed to do that far as I can tell - that's, at leat for now, the best I could come for short blades as aniamtion that makes sense, kind of like 1h sword, but with extra left arm movement to imply additional support

#

it's not great

#

but

#

If you're referringto snapping it does sometimes - not really sure why it does that - should blend to that point in animation

#

^ same one on my end

#

if there's some issuse I'm not seeing - do let me know

uncut sun Apr 16, 2026, 12:42 PM

#

the eldritch being know as morrowind animation. we will never know

#

i was refering to the snapping

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 12:42 PM

#

right

#

yeah, no idea

#

thing is - I start animation from lower point than that

#

if anything it should snap down

#

but it snaps up and to the right

#

And you see actually on my vid it snaps only from active idle - where pose is held, when PC starts waving sword around after no input is given for a while blending from there works fine

#

bloody weird

#

main wtf

#

1h axe uses the same animation and doesn't snap

uncut sun Apr 16, 2026, 12:47 PM

#

tried turning anim blending off. block animation starts down as it should. IDK

uncut sun Apr 16, 2026, 12:47 PM

#

rustic latch 1h axe uses the same animation and doesn't snap

the issue is the reanim stance i believe

#

so it would only be an issue for shortblade

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 12:50 PM

#

may have fixed it

#

mask and priority on shortblade was different from axe

#

still a bit jank, but better

#

No snapping at least

#

Thank you for the report!

#

I'll post an update later today with this included

uncut sun Apr 16, 2026, 1:14 PM

#

WOW

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 1:15 PM

#

And we have integration with Skill Evolution's Feat system. Pending official SE Update:

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 1:15 PM

#

uncut sun WOW

hm?

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 1:31 PM

#

rustic latch And we have integration with Skill Evolution's Feat system. Pending official SE ...

Do you use custom max scaling? In SE, it's capped below 487% and other things you see here. Default cap for weapons is 200% and 400% for block IIRC. It can be tweaked in the mod settings, so I wonder what you did.

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 1:31 PM

#

Not touching max at all

#

just passing a scale number to SE

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 1:32 PM

#

Then 487% should be impossible

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 1:32 PM

#

which 2 + damage negated/100

#

generally

#

that was with setting guards strength to 1000

#

actualy, I should add enemy name to the stat

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 1:32 PM

#

Doesn't matter. SE has caps.

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 1:33 PM

#

I don't do anything with them

#

🤷‍♂️

#

neither in my SE settings nor in code

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 1:34 PM

#

I asked mym 😄

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 1:34 PM

#

I see, yeah

maiden tangle Apr 16, 2026, 1:36 PM

#

uncut sun what is that armor?

The whole armor set or just some pieces?

Like the others said, it‘s a mix of edited meshes and textures from the vanilla game, Tamriel Data and several bits of details from armor sets of other creators like Mage Robes by Melchior Dahrk and Daggerlad by Ashstaar.

The cape, most people are asking for is from a reachmen shirt of the Skyrim section of Tamriel Data.

Uploading it to Nexus might be poroblematic in terms of copyright 😅

maiden tangle Apr 16, 2026, 1:37 PM

#

candid wren Yea I wanna learn to add the cape from that armor to the netch curass

The normal or the boiled one? I can assemble it for you if you want and send you the cuirass with cape then 🙂

candid wren Apr 16, 2026, 1:37 PM

#

#

This one

maiden tangle Apr 16, 2026, 1:39 PM

#

candid wren

Ah, the TR one with several scarves in front.
Should the cape have the pattern of one of the scarves?

candid wren Apr 16, 2026, 1:39 PM

#

If you could to the same pattern as your if possible

maiden tangle Apr 16, 2026, 1:41 PM

#

Pattern of the texture can be translated onto it. The red or the white one? Both together in one texture might look really off on the cape

maiden tangle Apr 16, 2026, 1:41 PM

#

candid wren If you could to the same pattern as your if possible

Sorry I read that wrong. So just the texture my Cape already has?

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 1:43 PM

#

Scaled Fatigue cost for guard seems to be working nicely so far datchim

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 1:43 PM

#

Nice

#

I've also added more logs and better debug messages on my end, will post it sometime later today

candid wren Apr 16, 2026, 1:45 PM

#

If you could to the same pattern as your if possible

#

Some sort of darker tone ig

candid wren Apr 16, 2026, 1:45 PM

#

maiden tangle Sorry I read that wrong. So just the texture my Cape already has?

My bad

candid wren Apr 16, 2026, 1:50 PM

#

maiden tangle Sorry I read that wrong. So just the texture my Cape already has?

Yea

uncut sun Apr 16, 2026, 1:54 PM

#

maiden tangle The whole armor set or just some pieces? Like the others said, it‘s a mix of ed...

i just never saw it before that's all. i am looking for stuff to use as light armor for my mod

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 1:57 PM

#

uncut sun i just never saw it before that's all. i am looking for stuff to use as light ar...

it's based on T_Rea_Cm_Shirt_02 in tamriel data

#

the cape part at least

uncut sun Apr 16, 2026, 2:09 PM

#

i'm going to need to learn blender to finish my simple small gmst edit mod... sigh

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 2:12 PM

#

Blender comes for us all

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 2:13 PM

#

rustic latch Blender comes for us all

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-not-today-what-do-we-say-arya-gif-15098026

Tenor

#

I remember the old days when animations were almost untouchable in Morrowind

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 2:15 PM

#

oh yeah

#

we've come a long way

maiden tangle Apr 16, 2026, 2:18 PM

#

uncut sun i just never saw it before that's all. i am looking for stuff to use as light ar...

Yeah, read the concept you talked about with Arrean earlier. Sounds really great, looking forward to it!

uncut sun Apr 16, 2026, 2:21 PM

#

don't get your hopes up. it's a whole lot of values to edit

maiden tangle Apr 16, 2026, 2:23 PM

#

uncut sun don't get your hopes up. it's a whole lot of values to edit

I can imagine yagrwut

uncut sun Apr 16, 2026, 2:44 PM

#

technically it is "done", but only for vanilla. no one plays vanilla however. with tr i am not even close

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 2:46 PM

#

rustic latch goddammit. And removed test sideMovement from NPCs

Using this, I get no Block skill gain with SE when using Iron Shield or Steel Shield. I get Block skill gain when parrying with Iron Naginata, though, and with Iron Mace, so it's sth with shields, I think. I know that you changed stuff in the meantime. I'm talking about this version as it's published for testing.

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:02 PM

#

When using N'Garde, I think that NPC pathfinding becomes worse. I did many tests in the cave near Seyda Neen. WIth N'Garde on, certain patterns can be observed. The Dunmer in the room often gets stuck near the rock instead of following the route around it. The Dunmer mage often gets stuck on wooden bridge or falls down from it. With N'Garde off, in the same place, the NPCs seem to take more sensible routes.

#

I'm wondering whether it may be related to "keep distance" logic which is being used

#

using Mercy in both cases btw

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:04 PM

#

Hmmm. that is interesting. I'll need to retest that once logic is updated

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:04 PM

#

maybe apply it only when distance is closer as these NPCs get stuck while relatively far away

#

or pick stupid routes

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:04 PM

#

inner hare maybe apply it only when distance is closer as these NPCs get stuck while relati...

I do, that's the thing

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:04 PM

#

ah

#

interesting

#

it's definitely observable, though

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:05 PM

#

Anyway, bloock skill gain doesn't work for me either with shields

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:05 PM

#

ha

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:05 PM

#

so maybe it's a one for mym

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:05 PM

#

so yeah

#

sth with shields

#

weapons work

#

I get increases

#

I try to switch weapon types in order not to get false impressions

eager crane Apr 16, 2026, 3:06 PM

#

interesting how he got locked in the fist blocking animation after he's surrendered via Mercy

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:06 PM

#

inner hare sth with shields

yeah, found it

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:07 PM

#

also, do you affect NPCs when they have spellcasting stance? I saw an NPC who looked as if he was trying to keep distance while using spells. On touch spells...

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:07 PM

#

inner hare also, do you affect NPCs when they have spellcasting stance? I saw an NPC who lo...

fck

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:07 PM

#

yeah

maiden tangle Apr 16, 2026, 3:07 PM

#

inner hare using Mercy in both cases btw

Yep, noticed a similar problem sometimes, especially when using summons. When having one on one encounters, it often works fine, but as soon as I have a compation or several summons, actors that get affected by NGarde tend to "run away" endlessly and get stuck on obstacles, as if they're not using nav meshes anymore (independently from the "run away" behavior per se).

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:07 PM

#

oh

#

good that it's not just me, then

#

and yes, it's as if navmesh disappeared or sth

#

you can notice how much better pathfinding is with navmesh, lol

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:08 PM

#

well, it's cause it did :P

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:08 PM

#

I mean, OMW is much better than Vanilla

#

in Vanilla you get those stuck encounters far more often

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:08 PM

#

rustic latch well, it's cause it did :P

ah 😄

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:09 PM

#

Anyway -

Pathing
shield bugfix - just a typo, thankfully
Ignore measure in non-weapon stance

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:09 PM

#

testing is giving good results

#

we found many issues

#

many were fixed

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:10 PM

#

For shields - line numbers probably changed between test version so, locate this line in parry.lua core.sendGlobalEvent("ngarde_ParrySuccess", params)
on the line below it change lowe() to lower()

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:10 PM

#

rustic latch For shields - line numbers probably changed between test version so, locate this...

ok, will do that in a sec

#

btw I saw an Ordinator falling through stairs in Arena and dying

#

it reminded me so much of old Vanilla issues

#

that now I'm wondering whether it's related to this mod somehow 36vehks

#

because of navmesh stuff

#

or sth

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:11 PM

#

well , that one at least is probably not me 😅

#

I don't do anything with navmesh itself

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:11 PM

#

what do you do?

#

do you affect actors outside combat?

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:11 PM

#

it's just that for distance keeping I modify actor movemment

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:11 PM

#

inner hare do you affect actors outside combat?

no

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:12 PM

#

ok

#

definitely remove all influence if no active weapon stance is on

#

just in case

#

if not done already

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:12 PM

#

if no combat - there's no script

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:12 PM

#

ok

#

that wasn't in combat

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:12 PM

#

that wasn't me then

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:12 PM

#

ok

#

damn Ordinators

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:13 PM

#

in combat - for mage stance I've jsut added a check

true umbra Apr 16, 2026, 3:13 PM

#

Can we get much higher?

#

https://tenor.com/view/mog-mogged-snowman-gif-5368055129249858152

Tenor

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:13 PM

#

rustic latch if no combat - there's no script

And I mean literally - I attacj script to actors only when combat starts

true umbra Apr 16, 2026, 3:13 PM

#

Nice

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:15 PM

#

good

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:15 PM

#

rustic latch For shields - line numbers probably changed between test version so, locate this...

I will test that in a sec

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:15 PM

#

well, rather it will only process weapon stance

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:15 PM

#

actually, maybe just send the actual files, if they are ready for testing?

#

with weapon stance and all

#

unless it's not done

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:16 PM

#

well, maybe

#

give me a minute

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:16 PM

#

ok

true umbra Apr 16, 2026, 3:16 PM

#

🤔

#

The mod is growing

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:17 PM

#

btw when fighting a skeleton, I used Orcish Towershield and turned notifications on. Block Skill 35. Despite the fact that notifications gave me info about some damage being received while my fatigue got lower, I wasn't getting any dmg at all.

#

only fatigue. All this was while I just kept the guard up. No damage - literally 0 - until I stopped blocking or got Fatigue to 0 so it was KO. It was weird because notifications kept showing what should be happening (more damage gets through as Fatigue gets lower) but it didn't reflect gameplay.

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:23 PM

#

Alright, check this out then.

1.0.0 RC4

More and better debug logs and messages
Integration with Skill Evolution Feat system(SE Update required, ignore for now)
fixed 1h shortblade animation
fixed typo that prevented shield skill gain
no measure keeping in non-weapon stance

#

still working on other distance keeping and obstacle detection stuff

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:24 PM

#

https://tenor.com/view/stop-viralhog-stay-away-from-me-cat-social-distance-gif-19753017

Tenor

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:24 PM

#

inner hare only fatigue. All this was while I just kept the guard up. No damage - literally...

Notification is before that line where the typo was, so it would show what should happen, and then the nil method call would break the onHit chain

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:24 PM

#

ah

#

ok

#

so I will get to testing

#

shortly

#

with RC4

#

lol, it's like OMW

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:25 PM

#

I was hoping I'd release by now

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:25 PM

#

I wonder which RC will be the last one

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:25 PM

#

no going back to 0.X.X

#

and release is 1.0.0

#

so we stuck here now

#

lmao

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:26 PM

#

yeah, sorry for that. I just deliberately try to break sth when testing 😅

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:26 PM

#

Nah you good

#

release will be better for it

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:26 PM

#

at least it means fewer issues to fix LATER

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:27 PM

#

if I can fix distance keeping stuff, may need to scrap that one and rely on vanilla or mercy for behaviour completely

#

backpedaling NPCs are fun, but

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:29 PM

#

It may be v. 1.1 if you don't manage get it right for 1.0

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:29 PM

#

actually

#

hold up

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:30 PM

#

Holding

#

Skeleton pummeled me, but my Block increased.

#

36vehks

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:32 PM

#

This should be significantly better for NPC movement. When too near you I only force them to back off a couple paces

#

and force them to walk last couple meters, instead of run, makes more sense in my mind

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:35 PM

#

inner hare Skeleton pummeled me, but my Block increased.

Yeah, block skill gain is working and dmg is getting through as Fatigue gets lower. Good! Block skill gain is way fucking overtuned (I get it for almost every strike) but this is "ignore it" part, I presume

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:35 PM

#

rustic latch This should be significantly better for NPC movement. When too near you I only f...

Ok, I will switch to this for testing

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:35 PM

#

inner hare Yeah, block skill gain is working and dmg is getting through as Fatigue gets low...

yeah, it's going way down

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:40 PM

#

rustic latch This should be significantly better for NPC movement. When too near you I only f...

Massive improvement

#

Immediately noticeable

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:42 PM

#

do they jiggle for you?

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:42 PM

#

What?

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:42 PM

#

cause that's been fucking annoyign for me

#

sometimes when at the threshold of "too far" and "too far but walk" they just freeze for a sec

#

and do a little wiggle

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:43 PM

#

Ah, I think I saw this once

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:43 PM

#

unless I tell them to "go forward" but that "go forward" is what's causing other issues

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:43 PM

#

It's better now, though

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:44 PM

#

yeah, cause I removed all movement directives except back off to weapon reach if too close

#

you should still be able to back them to a wall, or over the bridge or something

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:45 PM

#

More Mercy behaviour is noticeable now and they don't get stuck so often

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:45 PM

#

but there native detection or marcy should take over

#

... I wonder where's a good ledgy location to test that

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:46 PM

#

Hard to say

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:46 PM

#

probably some roof somewhere tbh

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:47 PM

#

Spell stance stuff works ok now

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:47 PM

#

yeah

#

so, need to do ledge and obstacle detection

#

dammit

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:48 PM

#

inner hare Spell stance stuff works ok now

As it should. And thanks for confirming

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:49 PM

#

eager crane interesting how he got locked in the fist blocking animation after he's surrende...

Now - this. On combat end script should be detached, and on detach it should force them to lower guard. This is a touch odd, but I'll see what may be wrong

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:52 PM

#

rustic latch yeah, it's going way down

As for this, I will elaborate on the cap I mentioned in SE thread. In SE mod settings, there are skill scaling caps for every skill type affected by SE. You said you didn't touch this. Then it means that by default for Blocking, it should be 10-400%, for example. Skill gain should never exceed 400% in such case. If you change the cap to 300% or 500%, then those values should be respected for coherence in N'Garde. And so on. This is what meant. I'm not sure whether it was clear because many things were being discussed there at the same time.

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:53 PM

#

Nah, all good - but I understood that I'd need either an update on SE side to autoforce them, or an update that will do that and let me override them

#

Meaning - that specifically won't be on my end

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:54 PM

#

that I'm not sure of because I only understand half of the things mym is saying on the purely technical side 36vehks

#

but I'm sure it's solvable. It's just a cap.

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:54 PM

#

Yeah, I can read those settings if I want to

#

and apply

#

But imo the enforcement should probably happen on SE side

#

and Mym was going to change how stats are passed in to SE, for feats so - probably then

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:55 PM

#

ok

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:56 PM

#

And reading on my end would be a bit jank - I'll need the groupKey and it's only in Mym's code, so I'll have hardcode the value and if it ever changes -it'll break

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:56 PM

#

ok

#

mod is fun af btw. I'm having fun while dying to skeletons, getting hit by mudcrab to test creature exemptions and keeping guard up in order to gradually get pummeled by a warhammer-wielding maniac.

#

it's not always the norm for testing sessions

#

36vehks

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 3:58 PM

#

Well, I had to get something right, hadn't I?

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 3:59 PM

#

datchim

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 4:00 PM

#

Now that's a badge of honor

Gonna swap your 🧐 for datchim on the thread reactions 36vehks ?

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 4:00 PM

#

I consider this mod to be Mercy-like in terms of overall gameplay impact, i.e. sth that it's hard to play without once you got that first taste.

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 4:01 PM

#

It's something i've been missign in MW for two decades

#

So, here I am

amber slate Apr 16, 2026, 4:03 PM

#

I appreciate how well-weaved into the core of the game N'garde is

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 4:03 PM

#

one thing which is annoying in many combat-focused mods is that they are player-only. This is a pitfall that this mod avoids, fortunately. It seems to be well integrated into the game.

#

ninja'ed!

amber slate Apr 16, 2026, 4:04 PM

#

it's not just "you have a perfect parry now lol" it integrates with the base systems really well

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 4:04 PM

#

amber slate I appreciate how well-weaved into the core of the game N'garde is

This is why I've been raving about "vanilla like" since the beginning. The whole plan was to do something that may as well have already been there

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 4:05 PM

#

amber slate it's not just "you have a perfect parry now lol" it integrates with the base sys...

yeah, this is another thing. It avoid being a SOULSLIKE like most things like this and respects Vanilla identity but keeps that modern feature core.

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 4:05 PM

#

Other combat mods I've seen are either "whole different game" or "player got stronger for no good reason"

#

Hence, we are here

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 4:05 PM

#

https://tenor.com/view/here-we-are-lc-duncan-the-family-business-were-here-now-we-just-came-gif-26372413

Tenor

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 4:06 PM

#

rustic latch Other combat mods I've seen are either "whole different game" or "player got str...

as for the last bit, I only accept it when the player gets weaker 36vehks 36vehks 36vehks

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 4:06 PM

#

doitswit

inner hare Apr 16, 2026, 4:06 PM

#

fuck-the-player policy

#

but on a more serious note, rampant OP stuff is prevalent in combat-focused mods

#

not only here (MW) but also in other TES games

rustic latch Apr 16, 2026, 4:07 PM

#

oh yeah. Skyrim combat mods come to mind

#N'Garde. Vanilla-Friendly Parry and Active Block.