Lively Map

[regal echo]

That's unfortunate

[regal echo]

Other than that I haven't had any bugs with a couple hour playthrough on the steam deck

[fresh fiber]

nice!

[cunning stag]

Theres are, maybe, like, five to six significant locations per planet. If that. A lot of it is coordinated in cities so I sorta originally imagined the map as just this bug dumb entity that only-sorta reflects whatever planet you're in. I guess how granular I'd like to go depend on what I can do.

Each individual planet, on the world map, is massive.

I guess, uh, actually, maybe I could figure out mathematically how to convert pixel coordinates to cells.

I think each cell is 9x9 on the map, where the center? Of the image is 0, 0

Really I guess if I did a lively map patch though I'd sorta like to do them entirely differently

The images I DO have are just pretty mockups I made in this godot planet generator tool I found

For lively map, we could assemble a different image based on the actual map images the engine generated, or something, idk

I'm just trying to figure out what the best way to do it is cuz I don't feel like my original map concept actually gives the best with lively map

Or maybe it's fine idk

What would be the bare minimum needed so I can just get an idea of what it looks like for a specific planet

Let's say tatooine

The main cell there is Tatooine, sandriver

Depending on LO you might have tatooine, sandreach which I imagine is way in the southern end

On Hoth you basically just have the exterior and one cell

On Lok it's also largely the same, although there it's more like a single village on the planet you can access

[regal echo]

For a lively map patch I just need the cell extents for top/bottom/left/right (inclusive) for a square pot image that forms a tile. And then you give that tile a number id. And then we use that number id to attach it to other tiles in compass directions (or we don't, but then you'll just see the one tile only and can't pan to the other tiles)

[ivory solstice]

The paper map should work with Tamriel Rebuilt, right?

I plan on adding that to my next playthrough

Also yeah the map has been working smoothly since the patch

[regal echo]

Yeah it's got Morrowind mainland in it

I've been so happy with it. Got sent to Gol Mok on a side quest and when the guy told me where it was, it showed up in the map

[ivory solstice]

This emote is so good

[regal echo]

Such a hacki workaround but it was great

[ivory solstice]

I can't

[fresh fiber]

awesome !

[ivory solstice]

A shame it is one of a false god

[regal echo]

I'm pro Vivec idc

[fresh fiber]

that's what moddings all about

[crystal knot]

[fresh fiber]

yeyeye shout out to my warrior poets

[crystal knot]

still going strong

not surprised that Magic Window Extender is the most popular mod of the year so far

but the map mod is doing fine

[ivory solstice]

I bring forth bad news

one specific place in balmora freaks out the local map when i open th lively map

outside of the lucky lockup

I'll send a screenshot if i find where the damn screenshots go

[regal echo]

Yeah I noticed this too.
I might have to spawn the map underground instead of in the sky

But what means i probably also need to spawn a mini sun

And it might get messed up by underwater shaders

[ivory solstice]

That's interesting

Kinda wish i knew more about morrowind code

Is it hard to get into?

[regal echo]

Openmw is all on GitHub and gitlab

It's in c++ so it's not friendly

[ivory solstice]

I can print hello world on python surely I'll be fine

I'll give it a look or two

[regal echo]

Making mods is different though

It's all lua

[fresh fiber]

could maybe put another plane over the top with a fake map texture on it? 🤔

[regal echo]

Ooo you know what

I think maybe this happens when the map mesh spawns near a cell border

Because when you move the camera past the border the engine might persist the map image then

So all I gotta do is spawn the mesh in the middle of the cell

That looks like the case from both screenshots

[ivory solstice]

Oo

Go try that

[regal echo]

https://github.com/erinpentecost/LivelyMap/archive/refs/heads/main.zip change is available here

[regal echo]

published in 1.2.2. also included pre-synced files

[ivory solstice]

Did you also put a couple of zip bombs in there for good measure?

I'll go try the new version

same ol'

[crystal knot]

Your encumbrance

KEEPING IT CLOSE

[ivory solstice]

we dont talk about it

[ivory solstice]

yes

[regal echo]

Your minimap images are saved in your save file. This will only fix new cases

[ivory solstice]

Ah shi

I guess I'm just gonna have to thug it out

[regal echo]

There's probably a way to remove it from the save file

[ivory solstice]

Would that mean I'd need to reexplore everything on the local map?

I'm a bit too far now to restart

Well, it only showed up in balmora in that specific place

[regal echo]

It might be per-cell. It would be hacky af

[ivory solstice]

What a perfect emoji to describe the situation

Well, at least new characters for me and other people will not have it

It ain't that bad

[ionic marsh]

what object is at the exact center of that blue circle? is there a well there, or something like that?

maybe a fountain, or a water dish

[ivory solstice]

Couldn't tell ya, a lil busy atm but I'll take a closer look and maybe i can make something out

Although that's unlikely

[ionic marsh]

i just seen a bunch of screenshots over the last few months with various weird map/shader issues involving a 16-sided circle that draws wrong

it makes me wonder if there's an asset from OAAB_Data or Tamriel_Data which uses weird flags or stencil masks or something

[regal echo]

That's the actual map 😆

[ivory solstice]

yep

upon closer inspection

it's just the map minimized

unfortunately it is not containted to balmora in my case

so i'll be using the map then loading a quicksave every time

a bit annoying

but tolerable

[ionic marsh]

the blue circle is part of the map mesh?

[fresh fiber]

its a skybox

but upside down, for background pretty textures

[regal echo]

You're getting more cases??
I'll put some more thought on how to fix it

[regal echo]

I don't know if I can move the camera into a different cell, but if I can then I can make a dummy interior cell for the map

[fresh fiber]

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/48830?tab=description

could this work with LM?

[regal echo]

Yeah 😁

Just gotta build that maps.json etc

Open perms?

Wow that's restrictive

[fresh fiber]

mostly, with permission because it's already an edit

[regal echo]

Need permissions from all contributors though

[fresh fiber]

hrm

[regal echo]

Basically impossible

We could do it if included modified meshes that point to these textures

Then it's a patch on patch

Ez mode

[fresh fiber]

haha nice 🧠 easier than tryin and make a new ones 🤔 do you know where these grid maps a derived from originally ?

[regal echo]

Probably the tr grid map

[fresh fiber]

iv never found the full thing in any kind of usable resolution

[regal echo]

Me either

[mossy tide]

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/46821 ?

pretty sure that's what I used as a basis for Stranger, alternatively #993588700854366278 message and all the messages in the gridmap channel on the TR server

[regal echo]

Nifscope isn't launching so no patch tonight

[ivory solstice]

Good luck with that

[lost tusk]

Unfortunately it's a bit outdated

[fresh fiber]

in what way? the grid still fits, right? that's all I need to work with

[lost tusk]

It doesn't in the northeast, not really.

Hmm, actually...

The TR gridmap, the smaller one, is more up to date and reflects changes to the Telvannis and Sacred Lands which haven't been done yet.

But the big gridmap only gets updated once every few years, so I'm not sure if it fits or doesn't fit

This is me overlaying the cellexport over the TR gridmap https://discordapp.com/channels/132891272666021888/993588700854366278/1461281011852771339

Well well well

The cellexport actually does fit the big gridmap!

if you disregard unreleased lands (especially around Blacklight)

So yeah, if you use the big xcf gridmap and crop it to only show Morrowind, you get a very good representation of what the released lands look like. You just have to update some settlement names if you want to use those, too (notably Andothren)

if you want to overlay the cellexport, you have to shrink it to 62.5% of its size to match the gridmap

[lost tusk]

By the way, this looks like it was made one of the default Wonderdraft themes. I've tried importing the map into the program and got some decent results. It's all gone now but I could try to do it again

[fresh fiber]

😅 Im a bit lost here. what is the cellexport and can I get my hands on it? yeah that sounds great if you want to, my plan is to try to make grid accurate paper style map so any resources you know how to access would be super handy 👍

[lost tusk]

Look, I did a bunch of quick exports to show how the map can look in Wonderdraft

just the landmass; settlement or region names would have to be added manually

The cellexport reflects how cells actually look in the current developer versions of PTR https://discordapp.com/channels/132891272666021888/993588700854366278/1461279755696603198

it's like an aerial map almost

dead accurate, obviously... because it's made by exporting the cells 😄

[fresh fiber]

amazing!

[lost tusk]

So yeah, if you wanted to make a paper map with using one of those themes (or mixing and matching between them), I can give you the full map export and you can then add settlement names and anything else you want

If we wanted to take it a step further, we could color all the different regions to reflect how they look. Wonderdraft is a full-on fantasy mapamaking software made for this

Another step further: add custom Elder Scrolls themed settlement icons to represent them. Obviously, we would need an artist for this

[fresh fiber]

that would be awesome, ideally I suppose to have several iterations for levels of detail. I want to keep to simple style at first.
yes making custom icons is part of the plan, I enjoy making maps for my dnd game so I think I can manage something decent to start with

[daring valve]

YOINK

[fresh fiber]

ikr

[lost tusk]

If someone wanted to make cool shit, cool shit could definitely get made

(me drawing a map of Morrowind from memory lol)

[daring valve]

Exactly what I was planning to do haha

Well

[lost tusk]

If you want the full Tamriel export, just say the word. The files are about 40MB 😄

[fresh fiber]

word!

[daring valve]

Nah it’s fine if it’s crunchy

I gotta make it 512x255 or whatever it is for books anyway

[lost tusk]

yeah but this is just a preview, I didn't even bother to cut it off properly hahaha

The best way to color the map in Wonderdraft would be by hand while referencing the cellexport

[daring valve]

Oh yeah I do it by hand since it’s using my climate zones

[fresh fiber]

one without colour or texture would be good too, so I have a blank slate as background

[lost tusk]

I could potentially see myself doing it, as I own the software (yes it's paid, no it's not expensive)

truthfully you could something like that in Gimp, of course

it's just that Wonderdraft is well suited to it

[daring valve]

Yeah that’s what I was doing, it was a struggle <_>

[fresh fiber]

that's what Im doing. I like gimp

[daring valve]

And why there’s only 1 or 2 maps for my mod haha

[lost tusk]

I have to like Gimp too, if I want to learn to make good thumbnailsl

lol

[daring valve]

I use canva for things like that but canva is questionable, I’m just used to it bc we used it at work

[lost tusk]

here it is

as close as I can get

full resolution

7000x4289

[fresh fiber]

awesome tysm!

[lost tusk]

you're welcome!

[lost tusk]

as far as these go, I think #3 or #4 would look the best in game

[daring valve]

Yup

I’ll be putting my own colours over them so I’ll probably swap them out and see what looks best

[lost tusk]

Keep the sea texture simple. Because the program can't distinguish between rivers and seas, so when I import the image, it just gives everything the sea texture.

But yeah

Go wild, guys!

[fresh fiber]

you've no idea, I've been struggling to find this exact thing fr so long and your like sure , boop! ✨

[lost tusk]

The resolution should fully match the xcf gridmap so you can overlay it, should you want to

I've been thinking about this lately, because I wanted some nice cartography in my videos

It always comes back to my fucking videos 😄

[fresh fiber]

lmao naturally. I'll send anything cool I make your way 👍

[lost tusk]

yeah, but that Blacklight area will definitely change down the line, so just keep that in mind

[fresh fiber]

yeah it should easy enough to change bits as goes along

[lost tusk]

Coming back to this, though. Having custom art to represent types of settlements (canton, Hlaalu architecture, Temple etc.) would take us almost as far as the beautfiul handdrawn map that came with the game

[crystal knot]

Haha, this would be hilarious. I bet that results would be funny.

You could make a showcase of map mods @lost tusk

[fresh fiber]

yeah thats a big part of the wagner map, getting the right icons make the map.

i also want a fullscale map that looks like the shitty maps you get in game

or check this out

someone made a composite map in the arena style

[lost tusk]

If I could make them work... including the one this thread is ostensibly about 😄

[fresh fiber]

still wont work for you?

[lost tusk]

tbh, I haven't tested it in a while

I just kind of gave up on it, unfortunately

Hopefully just for now

I'm recording the biggest video I've ever done so I need to rely on the game not going crazy 😛

[crystal knot]

what are you cooking?

[regal echo]

Once I get landscape texture mapping then I could generate maps that emphasize roads

Instead of all vector painting

[lost tusk]

Something needlessly complex and probably not worth all the effort 😄

Basically a deep dive into the town of Hlan Oek, its quests, characters, and surrounding region. All told through the perspective of two protagonists with contrasting stories. It will probably be about 40-60 minutes in length. It all looks very cinematic and cool in my head, but I'm still only gathering footage. I've also outlined their stories and brainstormed some audio elements to tie it all together. I'm still not sure how I will present the video (title, thumbnail, intro) to make sure it grabs people's attention, and I'm going back and forth between first/third person narration.

Basically a deep dive with narrative roleplay elements, but focused more on the city than my characters. With the potential of expanding into my own cinematic universe, covering all the cities and regions of TR.

I'm willing to sit on the video for as long as it takes though, until I feel it's perfect. My issue is, I always want my videos out ASAP so I cut corners on voiceover, thumbnail, footage. Not this time.

In the meantime, I've also got other videos coming, of course. My Total Overhaul video will hopefully see the light of day next week. I'm also looking into the races of PTR.

[regal echo]

Some color processing progress:

Looks nuts so far

And the boring (but more game-accurate version):

Ok I think this is the best method so far. Hue and Saturation from the texture, Value from the heightmap ramp:

Kinda hides the bad resolution on the textures

[dapper basin]

This is nice, really nice

[regal echo]

ty 🙂

https://github.com/erinpentecost/LivelyMap/releases/tag/1.3.0 you can get it here for now

If I can find the landmass preview I could make a better pre-sync patch

Kinda dark but I think it's ok

road detection debugging 🤢

I think I need something more targeted than looking for road or path in the texture path

Looks like I didn't hit any unintentional roads, but instead road textures are used where roads aren't actually at

Even PC does it

I'm not sure this exploration of road detection is worth it. too much noise

[mossy tide]

the gridmap (and therefore my gimp map) has a separate roads layer I think? You could maybe export that. I'm looking at the PT and SHOTN maps but they're such tiny slices, can't really get up the motivation to spend X hours to give them the stranger map treatment

[lost tusk]

it does

[regal echo]

Yeah that's a crapton of work

There's probably some awful machine vision alg that could be dug up to find roads based on the vector painting layer

Which also be a stupid amount of work

[mossy tide]

we need modding interns

[regal echo]

Bumped up the lightness; this will probably look better in-game

You can actually make out red mountain

[fresh fiber]

idk if i would use that term but im planning to try and do SiaSL version of the main gridmap, if you have some tips or resources that would help id be grateful, but yeah its gonna be a while..

[regal echo]

clown mode

if you want layers based on ground textures or something let me know

[mossy tide]

thing is, it was mostly a "what-feels-good" exploration of the then-new gimp3 tools, adding and removing layers to see what worked, experimenting with tons of filters, it was definitely not a measured and rational workflow. This guy not only had a lot of brushes that I used or toyed with, also some howtos for techniques I used to get the coastline hatching and other stuff https://kmalexander.com/2019/07/31/tutorial-creating-18th-century-coastlines-for-fantasy-maps/

[regal echo]

This is the best I can get it for now. Took a while to refactor so I could blur the texture layer

I think this is Necrom (never been)

it's so pretty

[dapper basin]

Reminds me of old WoW maps ❤️

[fresh fiber]

looks great!

[regal echo]

No luck yet getting the map mesh to spawn super far away while outside

it's like :teleport doesn't work if it's not an active cell

once the cell enters the active grid, then the mesh is spawned

[fresh fiber]

can you artificially activate a cell with code?

[regal echo]

I'll have to ask the upper management

[regal echo]

Impossible. I would need to teleport the player

On the plus side, it won't ever be a problem in interiors

[dapper basin]

Maybe removeobject and createobject instead of teleport? Just a wide guess here

Ive not entirely understood the goal but maybe this suggestion will help

[daring valve]

Looks great, the blue should be white but still very recognisable

I just say this bc it’s a very distinct city haha

[lost tusk]

@fresh fiber It just now dawned on me that you might have access even to the up-to-date version of the Morrowind gridmap, since you're a TR dev

https://www.project-tamriel.com/viewtopic.php?p=22429#p22429

This is supposed to be it but it's login only 🙁

[daring valve]

Oh shit dubious is a TR dev? 👀

[lost tusk]

According to his discord role on the TR server 😄

[fresh fiber]

yep. im a concept art dev, at least one of my creatures was accepted to go in game

[lost tusk]

Sometimes I feel like the only one here who isn't a TR dev

[fresh fiber]

didnt realise there were benefits

or maybe im not.. no access 😭

[lost tusk]

Lol

Sorry

[fresh fiber]

now that i look, i dont think my creature ever got a claim.. i nevr really understood how the process works 🤷

[lost tusk]

I confess I really don't understand this. The development is very open, you can download the latest dev builds... but the Morrowind map file is where we draw the line 😄 Idk. Maybe if I asked nicely, Taniquetil would share the map with me. Or not. At this point, I don't feel like I need it that badly.

[fresh fiber]

haha yeah it can be a little obtuse. i think the problem with the map is they dont want random people to misrepresent the project and muddy the information pool with outdated info. it makes sense but also we could probably do with a better public interface

[lost tusk]

Yeah, that's fair, but at the same time, the large old gridmap is right there on Nexus, so misrepresenting the project is easy.

[mossy tide]

I think pretty much every other map pack I've seen except mine has the island of gorne floating in the inner sea (which is where it will end up I think but it's not there currently), or if it wasn't that it was some naming changes near helnim/marog

because they're all cloned from the main gridmap file. The map will go out of date as the TR project progresses, that's just how it is. Andothren>Bal Foyen, it's fine, someone will post an updated map sooner or later because people quite like maps. But that's the main thing with the TR maps, they're always somewhere between how things currently are and where they will be.

[regal echo]

This is one of the reasons I put so much work into automatically generating maps. It will be a lot more work to get them to look hand-made though

Also all the missing tiles are annoying

[mossy tide]

yeah a bit but live generation is definitely the way to go in a world where people can install mods changing landscape and features. Joy of Painting does some fun things with shaders for its transitions from screenshots to paintings.

[fresh fiber]

i think that was some special sauce cooked between merlord and the mwse devs though

[crystal knot]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-spiderman-avengers-gif-12239608

[fresh fiber]

yeah basically

[pine wren]

Would you mind giving me a super simple rundown of how the map generation works? I'm looking at the pre-generated one (it matches my test build), I'm guessing if I just apply actual geometry to whatever nifs are generating based off their existing NH texture mapping from your tool that it will always work but what's the min/max number of nifs

Oh wait I see they all have borders so they're not tiled together directly that makes sense.

[regal echo]

They are all tiled, and most of them have overlap. Up to 8 textures are created, and these all have identical resolutions. They are all cell-aligned, square, and powers of two. The relationship between the texture and world space is saved in maps.json

There are two sets of _nh textures available

The extreme normals one exists because The Red Tower reduces a available heights everything not-red-mountain

The map nifs are constant size, and are scaled up in-game to get consistent pixel density

Because the textures can be different sizes

[pine wren]

That makes sense

[pine wren]

How easy would it be to remove the sloped borders, I understand that's there to disguise the POM but making the generated nifs from them means its no longer necessary

[regal echo]

It really wouldn't be hard, I could generate an additional set

https://github.com/erinpentecost/LivelyMap/blob/25c35afed8078f3471420c852f6c2cb323504e00/internal/hdmap/sync.go#L179

[pine wren]

okay sweet let me finish this testing with the current stuff to see if it all works well then I'll let you know

don't have go installed so I'm more interested in testing the blender stuff first before I get to that

[mossy tide]

funny, I was thinking about how I'd represent the star map and then https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58107 came along doing it better than I would have done

[pine wren]

temporarily stealing the TD water to try make the water animated. Haven't tested in game but the nif loads and looks right in nifskope. Right now the texture gets a little funky in some places because I subdivide, displace, and decimate which slightly changes the water level and stuff, although it probably wouldn't be noticeable if the water color in the regular texture was remapped to be brown and even now it's not crazy bad looking.

[pine wren]

Am I stupid I can never move upwards on the map only left right and down work, once I've moved down it never goes back up again until I reopen the map

100% was the mesh messing up the boundary raycasts

[regal echo]

So dark 😎
Pretty sweet though

[pine wren]

Yeah I'm not sure why it's just the same texture with a displcaement on it and I set the nif colors to white.

[regal echo]

The original nifs have some emissiveness set

I think I set it to .7

[pine wren]

ahh okay that makes sense.

[pine wren]

Emissiveness helped a lot, now that it's a mesh it also just receives SSAO from the shaders automatically

Cleaning up the mesh generator then I can send, it does require blender (ideally in your path but obviously you can just target it manually) and the morrowind blender nif addon and the decimation step to lower the poly counts takes forever

It does break the raycasting for preventing people zooming out of the map area but otoh it will work without any shader edits if people wanna avoid POM performance costs.

[pine wren]

This worked perfectly! testing the generation with a brand new folder right after generation to make sure it all adds up then I'll just upload it here.

[regal echo]

This looks incredible 🤩

[pine wren]

Let me know if it works, in theory it should be fine but who knows. It willl like break the map a bit but the nif part should be reliable. Since there's no longer issues with the seams at the edges you might just be able to like stream them in before you get to the edge seamlessly (or just tank the performance hit and load them all up in a giant grid at once.

[ionic marsh]

give it the soft particles effect!

https://openmw.readthedocs.io/en/stable/reference/modding/custom-shader-effects.html

on the NiNode parent of the water shape, add a NiStringExtraData and put this JSON text as its value. then test it in-game and edit the size/falloff/depth parameters until it looks good

omw:data {
    "shader" : {
        "soft_effect" : {
            "size": 250,
            "falloff" : false,
            "falloffDepth": 5,
        }
    }
}

[pine wren]

What does this do?

[ionic marsh]

if a shape has alpha blending, adding this and enabling the soft particles shader option will make it "fade out" when it gets close to intersecting an opaque surface

(if soft particles is disabled then nothing happens)

[pine wren]

Oh interesting, I ended up changing it so the plane uses the same texture as the rest of the map and I can't see the intersections. Since the animation didn't work I stopped really worrying about the different water texture

[ionic marsh]

😔 my chance to deploy this obscure engine feature will arrive someday…

[regal echo]

I could probably do transparency in the texture. The albedo or whatever is uncompressed

[ionic marsh]

i'm not sure it even needs to be transparent. i think a NiAlphaProperty with the blending flag is all that's required

like, you could leave the alpha channel in the texture alone, and just change the mesh properties

[regal echo]

Oh this has to be on the water plane 🤔

[ionic marsh]

yeah

[pine wren]

You could probably do it with some clouds textures or something too

If I wasn't too lazy to model something and texture it I would make some 3d city icons so like vivec isn't just a water pit

[regal echo]

It'd be cool to automatically decimate and lower the texture resolutions of huge NiFs and re-scale them

At some point we're just reimplementing distant land though

[pine wren]

Yeah, I think like 3d "icons" for specific cities would be doable and fit in well just like simple board game esque pieces for the major cities

[regal echo]

baked lightning vs flat
any preferences?

[regal echo]

so subtle, probably doesn't matter

[regal echo]

Ok this is just lighting + vector colors

orange on left, blue on right

I think I'll keep it

[pine wren]

Yeah that looks nice

[smoky estuary]

trying to install the mod and have been having issues with it
ive been able to generate the textures from the sync.bat file and everything visually looks fine with the map in game as far as the textures are concerned. when i drag the map around however, it acts very erratic and glitchy, going all over the place and flickering at times and is very unpleasant to try to use. something's not right, and i can't figure out what

• steps already taken: deleted and reinstalled the mod, the sync.bat file ran correctly, , only one 01 folder is added, LivelyMap.omwaddon is enabled and LivelyMap.omwscripts is disabled as according to the readme, the same glitchy behavior occurs with arrows keys as well as mouse dragging, i have Rafael's shaders installed (but not using the parallax mode)

using openmw .51 RC2 with TR, Cyrodiil, SHOTN, and other mods

[regal echo]

Oh wow that's super messed up

Do you have move360 enabled or other camera controlling mods?

You could try the pre-built patch just to check if your auto gen worked correctly

[regal echo]

After checking your camera mods, it would help if you enabled debug logging in livelymap and captured some logs for me

[smoky estuary]

i have dynamic camera, dynamic reticle, and dynamic actors, hud mods and menu replacer mods like magic window extender and stats window extender
disabling dynamic camera seemed to improve the map a little bit, now the map is starts facing north and at a downward facing angle, and not opening in whichever direction i was facing like in the video
panning movement is still erratic sometimes and gets stuck on stuff, like it will stop moving upward around the east coast of vvardenfell

[smoky estuary]

by move360, is that the smooth movement and turn to movement direction options in the openmw launcher?

[carmine trellis]

Move360 is in settings->scripts->OpenMWCamera

been causing a few of us grief

[smoky estuary]

it was enabled, turning it off seemingly hasnt changed anything for me

[regal echo]

Stuck while panning probably has to do with the tile swapping logic

If you are near the edge of a map tile

[smoky estuary]

heres logs from scrolling around the map, getting the erratic behavior and stuck while panning
dynamic camera and move360 disabled for this

[regal echo]

New map doesn't fully occupy viewport, sliding into safe zone.

I think you're just too zoomed out

Or maybe your resolution is something I didn't expect

If the map is not perfectly aligned with the camera (top and bottom edges are parallel with your screen) it will get crazy confused

You somehow got the camera to not be aligned

So it's freaking out

[smoky estuary]

i'm using 2560x1440p, windowed with 1.50 GUI Scaling Factor

[regal echo]

Is the camera still not aligned with the map?

Or did disabling dynamic camera fix that

[smoky estuary]

after disabling it the map looks like this when i open it

[regal echo]

That's a lot better. And you shouldn't be able to change roll

Dynamic camera should disable itself when you go into static camera mode smh

[smoky estuary]

uploading a video of what it currently looks like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTHHadrm-f4

ill give it a try with the presynced files once they download

[regal echo]

Ok, couple things-

I don't think pregen will necessarily help you out anymore

Does it work when you use the keys to pan around instead of mouse drag?

I think it's messed up because the rake angle is too steep for your wide resolution

[smoky estuary]

arrow keys have the same issue happening with being unable to scroll certain directions and moving erratically

[regal echo]

Ok, give me a minute and I'll see if I can drum up a patch

I haven't looked at this code in months and it's terribly complicated

[smoky estuary]

really not sure what could be causing the tilted angle if the mod is supposed to be strictly top-down, i'll try disabling a bunch of mods to see if its anything that might be conflicting somehow

[regal echo]

@smoky estuary -

in 00 Core/scripts/LivelyMap/controls.lua
change local defaultPitch = 1 to local defaultPitch = 1.5

if that's more top-down, yay. if it's more raked, try 0.5

it's "too tilted" because I developed it on a machine with a more square resolution 😆

[smoky estuary]

2560x1440p is the same aspect ratio as a 1080p monitor at 16:9, just a higher resolution

[regal echo]

yeah my setup is atypical and in this case it messed stuff up

the alternative here is change the gen code to make larger tiles

[smoky estuary]

changing to 1.5 does alter the angle a bit, but not enough to be top down. also after changing it, the map jumps upwards when i click and drag. no jumping with arrow keys though

[regal echo]

to make bigger tiles (not guaranteed to help you, but putting here for posterity sake)
in internal/hdmap/partition.go
change if square.Width()*square.Height() <= 46*46 { to if true {
and then delete cmd/lively/lively.exe

[smoky estuary]

heres what the map looks like right when i open it
1 on the left, 1.5 on the right

[regal echo]

the mouse drag popping around is still stumping me, but I'm glad arrow panning works at least

oh something isn't right at all!

the bottom row of debug X's are not appearing now with your 1.5 change

[smoky estuary]

they appear to be under the terrain
i havent touched the calibration settings yet

or wait, that would be for the parallax map

[regal echo]

yeah that only matters with POM shaders

the angle is so weird, like 1.5 is more raked

hey @fresh fiber did you ever run into these issues?

[smoky estuary]

also for what its worth, scrolling to zoom in/out also seems very inconsistent
sometimes i can zoom closer, but then cant zoom back out
or sometimes i can zoom out but not in
it seems to change depending on which part of the map im looking at

[regal echo]

it's -supposed- to not let you zoom if it would expose a different tile of the map

did you find this mod after Savle's video btw? just curious

[smoky estuary]

i'd known about it since around when it was released on nexus, but only just now decided to install it

[regal echo]

well I apologize for it being such a cluster for you

I haven't really tested it on 0.51, but wouldn't expect anything to break

[smoky estuary]

no worries lmao
i made the photo mode mod which was also a pain to figure out (and i even disabled it for this to verify its not messing with things)

[regal echo]

I gotta go get some rest, maybe try 0.5 as a last resort

[smoky estuary]

probably wont downgrade just for this since i'm using some of the new spell mods for .51
the map looks really nice though and its unfortunate i wasnt able to get it working, i can tell you put a lot of work into it

[lost pasture]

lol i saw that when I was fixing land tears in tes3cs, thought it was pretty funny

[fresh fiber]

No, it's been fairly consistent, I have most of those mods too. The dynamic reticle mod maybe?
Also there should be a background, no? The cloud scape behind is missing 🤔

Btw If you're looking at the code, I get the map pop up when I'm typing in other ingame windows 😊

[regal echo]

Aw man I thought I fixed that

Time for another round of bugfixes