Lively Map

[dapper basin]

Which might render these too small

I'm just guessing at this point, didn't yet have the chance to test it on my 50"

[regal echo]

Thanks I'll make a note to add the setting 🙏

[dapper basin]

But stilll it might be a good shot since we can modify ui scale of the OpenMW itself

No problem, happy to help

[gilded quartz]

yes, with extra icons I can't place any icons on the map and they won't show up. data path and everything should be fine.

as soon as I # the extra icons out in config it works flawless

[junior pivot]

Hi I have a problem. I am on Android

It seems to be almost working

Other than missing pins it also crashes when I try to click 'a' and move it around

Android is based on some pre release ver of om0.50

[gilded quartz]

did you run that sync script?

[junior pivot]

Do you think it is solvable or should I wait for the next version of a docker

Yes

On a desctop

And copied folder back

[gilded quartz]

I was once an adventurer like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee

I don't think that's how it's supposed to work ol

[junior pivot]

Well I couldn't do it on my phone I guess

Setting up those brand new Lua mods on Android is yet a bit of a headache

[dapper basin]

Looks like Android doesnt support normal maps

[junior pivot]

I thought it does

I don't use normal maps folder just potato textures

[gilded quartz]

my char is always oriented at north when I open and close the map. as soon as I move the mouse I look to north

but I have some other hud mods running, maybe thats why

[dapper basin]

The map is in normals afaik

[junior pivot]

When I set UI scale to 1 the markers showed up

[regal echo]

Working on it!

[junior pivot]

Maybe I some error occured during generating textures?

[regal echo]

yeah that looks like a generation failure. You'll have to post your sync log here for me

[junior pivot]

Where is it?

[regal echo]

when you run the sync script, it spits out a bunch of text to the console. if you do sync.sh > logdump.txt it will make a file with the log

but I must warn you that I did not test on pre-.50

[junior pivot]

Also I just noticed that I might have maxed out my c drive while generating

[regal echo]

ah yeah that could be why

set -threads=1

after clearing up the disk

[junior pivot]

So as it is 1am for me I will regenerate them tomorrow

Thanks a lot

[regal echo]

if you are really struggling I can edit the sync program to add a new flag to only make potato

you can delete the textures in unused folders (but not the folders)

[junior pivot]

Your mod Is main reason I am building Morrowind once again

Detailed also work

Also I'm worried about those crashes

Setting textures aside, those two icons on top work, zooming in and out works but when I hit 'a' button game crushes

Should map move then?

[regal echo]

what does "a" do? mouse click?

[junior pivot]

I think so

Activate

[regal echo]

Pushed up 1.0.1 that has icon scaling and a fix for More Stamps

Mouse click tries to pan the camera to the spot you clicked, or optionally edit a marker if you clicked the marker

[junior pivot]

I have controller

Ok

[regal echo]

I wonder if you will also crash if you pan all the way to the edge

[regal echo]

looking at this again makes me suspect that the sync tool can't find or read some of your .ESPs

[junior pivot]

Paning doesn't work at all

I even tried moving with a touch screen

[regal echo]

I really need your logs to help, something funky is going on for you

[junior pivot]

Maybe emulated coursor doesn't cooperate

[regal echo]

yeah that could be it

ooohh

one sec

[junior pivot]

Ok when I will do it tomorrow Ill update you

Thanks again

[regal echo]

I probably need to add https://openmw.readthedocs.io/en/stable/reference/lua-scripting/openmw_input.html##(TouchEvent).position handling

I have no way to test it

yeah I need your log

wonder if this is a pre-0.50 issue

[junior pivot]

Also Lua log or something?

[regal echo]

the log that openmw makes. yeah it's got lua prints in it

[junior pivot]

Ok I'm looking for it

[regal echo]

@junior pivot do you have this file?
LivelyMap/00 Core/scripts/LivelyMap/data/maps.json

[junior pivot]

Yes I do

[regal echo]

Only use LivelyMap.omwaddon, do not use LivelyMap.omwscripts

[junior pivot]

To generate textures or to play the game

?

[regal echo]

to play the game. this might break stuff

[junior pivot]

Ok I'll try

[regal echo]

wow you have a ton of broken mods

[junior pivot]

Without scripts everything works the same

[regal echo]

does the rest of your game work? it looks like your whole install is super busted

[junior pivot]

Yeah, I works mostly fine

I followed expanded vanilla on desctop

[regal echo]

the crash log you posted is from your java input emulator

[junior pivot]

Then moved the whole thing to my phone

And messed with it a bit

I tried advanced map for example

But I crashes on start-up

[regal echo]

I'm sorry but I don't think I'll be able to find an easy fix for your crash 😔
I don't know why the java thing you are using is crashing

maybe more luck in #android for the input crash (the first log you posted)

[junior pivot]

Ok, I Will regenerate textures anyway

Good idea

Thanks a lot

[regal echo]

I hope you get it working! 🙂

[regal echo]

Also you should set your Neravarine's Journey to Volatile on your phone (this won't fix your crash but will help with disk space etc)

[junior pivot]

I did

[regal echo]

Hey @mossy tide what's the cell coordinates in your https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/56154 mod? I think these could be used with Lively Map

[mossy tide]

it's based on the TR gridmap so the base unit is game cells&origin but I cut out a fairly random section of that map for mine based more on thoughts like "this looks nice" than strict adherence to cell borders. https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/46821

[regal echo]

it looks really good! I'm just trying to figure out the pixels-to-cells unit and where 0,0 is 😄

[inland wigeon]

0,0 is in Vvardenfell, South of Ghostgate I think. Where it is in the vanilla game.

[regal echo]

yeah but I need the basis for the image map

[inland wigeon]

Ooooo, I see

[regal echo]

looks like maybe 35x35 pixels per cell?
more like 42x42

[mossy tide]

yeah I mostly scaled it based on some desired output resolution (based, again, on a fairly arbitrary cutout of the larger map) so unit conversion is going to be a bit tricksy

the original gimp file might have some better insights, it does have the original map with cellgrid layer in it

[regal echo]

oh it does?? that's great ty!

[mossy tide]

one of the 200 layers I'm sure

[regal echo]

wow this is making my computer catch on fire

[mossy tide]

.>

[regal echo]

perfect, 40x40 it is 😄

[mossy tide]

I like the part where I just gave up and it's all
[layer copy#5]
[layer copy#6]
[layer copy#7]

[regal echo]

ah crap I got to edit it

[mossy tide]

borders?

[regal echo]

yeah. they are offset by 1.5 cell lengths

I need the map image to perfectly align on cell borders

🤣

ok I scooched it over by -20,+4 pixels 🫡

[mossy tide]

[2 RAM banks catch fire in the background]
nice! the path tracing is super neat btw

[regal echo]

ah shit it's still not lined up

[regal echo]

ty! it was a lot of fun to make. if you look closely the dots are not equidistant and it disturbs me

[past plaza]

Mod looks great! Thanks for all the amazing work!

[regal echo]

Pretty please submit images to the nexus page so people know it doesn't just work on my computer 🙏 😅

[crystal knot]

Woah, even a semi-interactive map in this style would be damn amazing 😮

[regal echo]

I was working on it and then this

omg nothing saved

[regal echo]

ok I have a 102x102 cell aligned version

@mossy tide do you want to upload it your resource?

cells are an even 40.1568627451x40.1568627451 pixels now 😆

[mossy tide]

lol sorry about all the effort required, I was assuming people would print it out or at most use it for one of those paper map mods, never imagined someone would want to integrate it with a gps tracker! Yeah I'll upload but feel free to include it with your mod if you want to.

surely TR will never update again 😅

[regal echo]

Ok sent a DM with a link 🙏

finishing up the patch mod now. just gotta do a lot of counting

[crystal knot]

Yeah. They never do redos. Don't worry. We are perfectly safe 👌🏻

[regal echo]

that's not Balmora 😭

[crystal knot]

Close! 🎯

[dapper basin]

But WOW. How does THAT look

Epic...

Only would love that without the names at all (except region names), since there are markers to discover 🙁

[regal echo]

https://github.com/ernmw/Stranger-in-a-Lively-Land
the offsets in maps.json need to be fixed and I don't want to do it anymore

please do it for me and submit a PR

😛

already made a textless version

[regal echo]

Oh right! The extents in maps.json are inclusive btw

[fresh fiber]

hm sorry i dont know at im lookin at, are the numbers ho much each edge is moved?

[regal echo]

Those are supposed to be cell coordinates

[fresh fiber]

coords? how so? the Extents, top/bottom etc?

[regal echo]

Yeah that's right 👍👍

Those describe the rectangle of cell coords that the texture is responsible for

[fresh fiber]

hmm i think i might be bugged out. if i left click it zooms back in and starts to drift slowly so i cant drag it and my icons are a bit floaty so im not sure if im getting the alterations right 😅
i cant believ you built this its wild lmao

[regal echo]

It will help if you don't add the Normals data folders and set parallax depth setting in mod settings to 0

That will get rid of float

[fresh fiber]

ok removing normals helped but can you see here? its mostly on point till i click to scroll and the icons slightly float of point

[regal echo]

Ugh yeah that's a lot of float

Side to side float is confusing to me. Does that happen without the paper map patch???

[fresh fiber]

yeah

[crystal knot]

Woah, this paper style is so nice. I know that there are issues but still.

[fresh fiber]

yeah im loving it already, this exact map has been on my radar for a while to try and get in my game somehow

[crystal knot]

Yeah. It would be even better with fog of war effect

[fresh fiber]

sorry i cant figure this out. i just dont see a correlation to anykind of coordinate data i can find

feel dumb, i almost got it i think

[crystal knot]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-one-verge-of-greatness-gif-13754250

[fresh fiber]

so close

[lost tusk]

what the hell is this mod

how do I not know about it

why did nobody ping me?

😄

this looks so cool

[fresh fiber]

dude it rules

your gonna love it for making videos i bet

[lost tusk]

Oh man

I have a feeling I'll make a special video just for the mod

assuming it looks and feels as good as it seems

[fresh fiber]

yeah its a good way to start the year off

[lost tusk]

are there any revolutionary features planned that I should wait for before I make the video?

or can I start tomorrow

[regal echo]

Very close!!! 😁

[crystal knot]

THEY WILL BRING US PAPER MAP SOON I HOPE

[lost tusk]

OH PAPER, PRAISED BE

[regal echo]

At some point I'll expose positions and paths for your other characters.
You just gotta run sync to extract the data.
Far future is a web browser UI or maybe a map window replacer or HUD replacer

[lost tusk]

Okay, sounds like I can get started tomorrow, then. It's getting late now but tomorrow, I'll try out the mod and see

And for future reference, when someone releases an awesome map/inventory/UI mod, someone please ping me 😄

[regal echo]

What's your resolution and FoV? This will drive me nuts

[fresh fiber]

res 1920 x 1080 (16:9)
fov 60

[regal echo]

my fov is 66 🤔
checking

[fresh fiber]

yeah just checked at 70 and it seems a bit better

[regal echo]

that's so annoying

[fresh fiber]

hmm yeah wierd

[regal echo]

what'd you get for map.json so far? 🙏

[fresh fiber]

just pushed it for you to have a look

[regal echo]

I found your fork but no upstream pr

I made you an admin on the original

[fresh fiber]

ok i tried lol, my first time

[regal echo]

merged, ty

I counted 102x102 cells in the image based on acidzebra's grid

[fresh fiber]

ohhh

[regal echo]

making a texture debugger thing

actually you could just keep an eye on the log for "click!" when you click the map. that tells you the world position

divide world position by 8192 to get cell position

damn it's way off in solstheim

I'm getting there

{
  "Maps": {
    "0": {
      "Extents": { "Top": 34, "Bottom": -69, "Left": -50, "Right": 53 },
      "ID": 0,
      "ConnectedTo": {},
      "CenterX": 1,
      "CenterY": -17
    }
  },
  "MaxHeight": 21168,
  "Heights": {}
}

-2,-1 on map -> -8,-8
-2,19 on map -> -8,13
16,-1 on map -> 10,-8

simple offset

boom got it I think

will upload to nexus soon

[regal echo]

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58043

you can actually add more paper maps for other regions into this patch, too

just need to get the extents and Center and connectedTo correct in map.json

[fresh fiber]

cool! ill definitely look into it, ive found a few good maps that hopefully could be used

cant promise results but iill try

[crystal knot]

Niiice. BTW can I install this and Lively Map mid-game?

[dapper basin]

Blur - have you considered modifying the red mountain cloud effect you showed earlier to make something similar as fog of war?

This would be the cherry on top 🙌

[regal echo]

yes np

[regal echo]

yeah that's a good idea

shouldn't be too hard. it's a looot of icons though

[fresh fiber]

volumetric fog of war that would be cool

[regal echo]

oh interesting thought

i could technically spawn 3d nifs on the map

Doesn't have to be icons

I wanna take a break though

This weekend was supposed to be a computer free weekend

[dapper basin]

Take it easy and take your time🙌

[crystal knot]

There is life outside the computers?

[fresh fiber]

how else would we get new textures?

[crystal knot]

Does this mean that in this case it's just plug-and-play or do I need to do anything else than just downloading and activating the mod?

Also, is there a way to zoom out the map faster?

[left gyro]

would be nice if the cities/forts were vertical elements

[fresh fiber]

gotta make little fort models

[fresh fiber]

otherwise its possible

[left gyro]

like children books

[fresh fiber]

yeah haha

[fresh fiber]

the paper map version is a simple plugin if you have the map working already just drop it on top

[crystal knot]

yeah, but do I need to do anything besides downloading the map plugin? The installation process in the readme is much more involved

[fresh fiber]

for the main map you need to download an outside program (go) to run a .bat that makes textures based on your cfg

you only need to do it once

[left gyro]

also, this is not compatible with Project Tamriel right?

[daring valve]

It is haha, it reads all the mods in your cfg that add or change landmasses

[regal echo]

it's plug and play if you use the patch. No need to run go

[fresh fiber]

oh cool

[crystal knot]

Ok. Map controls seem way too slow for me. Zooming out takes way way too long and it seems to reset when I move the map again. Moving around is slow as well but it's faster if I hold the right mouse button. I'm also not sure the map is well-aligned because I'm near Balmora Temple on load yet the map shows the position near Fort Moonmoth.

How can I add the custom markers? I only see two blue ones right at the top but I'm not able to interact them with in any way.

[regal echo]

You can't click the buttons at the top??? That's how you add markers.
The alignment issues are annoying. What's your fov and resolution?
I could add a setting for pan speed

[fresh fiber]

yeah i think a higher elevation button would be good to quickly zoom in and out, it might be a bit close to start with

[crystal knot]

ok, I will check

[crystal knot]

I don't find the default zoom level practical for any purpose whatsoever

[crystal knot]

This is literally my map after installing the mod mid-game. My FOV is 60. My resolution is 1920x1080

my character is standing outside Balmora Temple

I see two blue icons at the top but when I click them, I don't know what's supposed to happen. I might be using them wrong or sth.

I installed "core" version and "no text" plugin

just appended in OMW

did nothing else

literally nothing

[regal echo]

They are just normal buttons up there
I think the paper patch might be messed up then

[fresh fiber]

it works for me

[regal echo]

Also those blue buttons on the top should be centered

[fresh fiber]

oh really?

[crystal knot]

fresh playthrough? Mid-game? Show a screenshot, maybe?

can you make markers?

how?

[regal echo]

Are they not for you???

Maybe UI scaling is the culprit

[crystal knot]

I assume that the map being its own "worldscape" is intended and it cannot be used in the inventory screen like the normal map?

[fresh fiber]

midgame 1100 mods same as always. if i say it works for me, i mean it can take some punishment

[crystal knot]

maybe I'm doing sth wrong

or I expect it to work differently

[fresh fiber]

uploading a screenshot now, but yeah they were never centered for me

[fresh fiber]

load order? i had better results putting it near the top

[crystal knot]

the top? You mean near the esms etc.? I have it as my last mod. Literally the last one, i.e. at the bottom, as far from the esms as possible.

[crystal knot]

your map looks darker

how?

also, how do you use the markers?

[fresh fiber]

yeah i had issues like that so i put it just after my esms

[crystal knot]

rly? O_o

why would it even matter with a mod like this? 😮

[fresh fiber]

not sure

[crystal knot]

no mod is doing anything even remotely related

[fresh fiber]

a few lua scripted mods are like that though im not sure why

[crystal knot]

[fresh fiber]

all the icons should have some left click interaction

you place them from that little menu at the top

id like to make some more morrowindy symbols. maybe a daedric set too

[regal echo]

[crystal knot]

I moved it near esms but it's the same

I also click on blue icons and nothing happens

[regal echo]

Do you have UI scaling?

[regal echo]

The map is a physical mesh loaded as an activator in the sky. So it uses your current shaders and lighting

[crystal knot]

I don't even know what that is

[daring valve]

Pretty sure you do based off of screenshots I’ve seen

[crystal knot]

Yeah I've just waited for night and map changed colour

[crystal knot]

How can I check?

[daring valve]

It would be in the launcher settings or your settings.cfg, the place where you change font size, “GUI scaling” is what you’re looking for I believe

[crystal knot]

Ok, sth is def wrong because I moved to Caldera, discovered it for the first time. The map is misalinged and no marker (I turned automatic ones on).

here is where it thinks I am

[regal echo]

If you use textures from the sync tool it would help me deduce if the problem is with the patch or with the actual mod

[crystal knot]

Launcher shows 1,35 for UI scaling

[crystal knot]

Do you mean that I should remove the mod, install the base version with all the steps from readme, check it in-game and then install paper one?

[fresh fiber]

woah setting my gui scaling to 1 massively improved my game

and now my map is aligned 🎉

and moves way faster

[crystal knot]

What changed?

[mossy tide]

put all ui elements where they belong prolly

[crystal knot]

I have no problem with UI

[fresh fiber]

it runs better

[crystal knot]

FPS?

[fresh fiber]

i havent tested yet but its noticably smoother to quickly look around

wierd

and yeah the map works much better now, way faster to pan around and perfectly aligned. im kind of in shock

[daring valve]

Rip

[daring valve]

Good luck blurp 🫡

[crystal knot]

I've just checked without this mod. Now I know why I'm using 1,35. With 1,00 everything is too small. Menu, text etc.

[fresh fiber]

[crystal knot]

Seems that UI scaling affects map alignment, then

[fresh fiber]

yeah hence the rip

thats gonna be fun to account dfor

[daring valve]

Yeah whatever you set your GUI scale to isn’t accessible from lua so it has to be calculated manually

[ancient parrot]

sync.sh keeps searching for the opposite '01' folder of whichever one I have installed and fails as a result

[crystal knot]

BTW it's not important here because it's the paper text version but it would be good to have markers with floating text as an option

[ancient parrot]

If I have '01 Classic' set in the cfg and try to sync:

~/Downloads/LivelyMap-main ~/Downloads/LivelyMap-main
/home/sweezly/Downloads/LivelyMap-main
~/Downloads/LivelyMap-main/cmd/lively ~/Downloads/LivelyMap-main ~/Downloads/LivelyMap-main
~/Downloads/LivelyMap-main ~/Downloads/LivelyMap-main
cfg: "/home/sweezly/.config/openmw/openmw.cfg"
threads: 5
maps: true
saveFiles: true
vanity: false
rampPath: "classic"
FAILED: draw maps: open directory "/run/media/sweezly/2177c6f4-2b05-4f9b-9be7-3f8a3f75eac7/Programs/MO2/Morrowind/Mods/01 Detail Map/textures/LivelyMap": stat /run/media/sweezly/2177c6f4-2b05-4f9b-9be7-3f8a3f75eac7/Programs/MO2/Morrowind/Mods/01 Detail Map/textures/LivelyMap: no such file or directory
~/Downloads/LivelyMap-main

vice versa for if I had '01 Detail' set instead, it would try to then search for Classic

[regal echo]

Looks like you are trying to run this from your downloads folder

you need to install the mod first, then run sync

[regal echo]

I think I can fake it by using relative positions instead :sigh:

[crystal knot]

did you get all these markers by travelling after you installed the mod or did the mod showed them to you automatically on load because of travels in pre-installation phase?

[regal echo]

if you visit somewhere before you install the mod, the mod will not know that you've been there

[daring valve]

I’ve been sick and haven’t had a chance to play much but I can test what it looks like on a 1.65 GUI scale if that’ll help

[regal echo]

feel better!

now that I know the issue I can test it on my side later. I just need a break rn

[daring valve]

Real and thank you

[ancient parrot]

Just to clarify then, do all the required directories need to be in the same folder (Mods/LivelyMap/00,01,02)? I was hoping I could install each one separately so that the cfg exporter could read them

[regal echo]

They need to be in their normal spots

[mossy tide]

just amazing wizardry, all hail the big map mesh in the sky

[ancient parrot]

Huh, either way it keeps trying to looked for the wrong folder. I have Classic yet it keeps searching for Detail
FAILED: draw maps: open directory "/run/media/sweezly/2177c6f4-2b05-4f9b-9be7-3f8a3f75eac7/Programs/MO2/Morrowind/Mods/LivelyMap/01 Detail Map/textures/LivelyMap": stat /run/media/sweezly/2177c6f4-2b05-4f9b-9be7-3f8a3f75eac7/Programs/MO2/Morrowind/Mods/LivelyMap/01 Detail Map/textures/LivelyMap: no such file or directory

This is what my cfg looks like:

data="/run/media/sweezly/2177c6f4-2b05-4f9b-9be7-3f8a3f75eac7/Programs/MO2/Morrowind/Mods/LivelyMap/00 Core"
data="/run/media/sweezly/2177c6f4-2b05-4f9b-9be7-3f8a3f75eac7/Programs/MO2/Morrowind/Mods/LivelyMap/01 Classic Map"
data="/run/media/sweezly/2177c6f4-2b05-4f9b-9be7-3f8a3f75eac7/Programs/MO2/Morrowind/Mods/LivelyMap/02 Normals"
data="/run/media/sweezly/2177c6f4-2b05-4f9b-9be7-3f8a3f75eac7/Programs/MO2/Morrowind/Mods/LivelyMap/03 More Stamps"
content=Morrowind.esm
content=Tribunal.esm
content=Bloodmoon.esm
content=LivelyMap.omwaddon```

[regal echo]

It needs both folders to exist

[ancient parrot]

I guess I was thrown off by this

That's just meant for the cfg itself then, gotit

Beautiful

[regal echo]

That bright white border is awful I gotta do something bout it

If only I had a big skybox cube

Maybe I can fake it. Put a bigger square below it

[regal echo]

Note for future me for UI scaling fixes: #development-lua message

[eager crater]

s3kshun.8

Laziest answer is swap ui.screenSize for ui.layers[1].size

Linked by @​blurpblurp from #development-lua · Jan 5, 2026, 3:50 AM

[lost tusk]

Okay, I set my hotkey as M. The fact that the map closes every time I try to use the letter to name a marker is... not ideal 😄

And I suppose I'm not the first person to notice but... when I click and drag the map after zooming in or out, it misbehaves

[dapper basin]

Wow, thats really crazy, dunno how you got an idea this would work in the first place. Truly impressive

[pine wren]

Have you considered extruding a subdivided mesh using the heightmaps instead of using POM? It might be useful for people who aren't messing with their shaders and it could let you do cool stuff in theory like have little 3d cities and castles icons on the map like a board game or something

[fresh fiber]

what happened with the one with walls?

[fresh fiber]

like this?

or do you mean a seperate cube to go around it?

[regal echo]

I needed a simple square for the map because the math was getting insane

[regal echo]

I considered that but I don't have a library for dealing with NIFs. It would be way cooler though

[fresh fiber]

well its there if you want it (cube), im happy to do whatever if it helps

[regal echo]

A topless cube with inward facing textures would be perfect. I can't remember if you sent that to me already 😅

Oh you just did?? Wow I'm really off this morning

[fresh fiber]

i put a top on it, i can take that off though

[regal echo]

Stuff for me to fix:

• use relative positions in UI space. This will fix alignment issues for people using UI scaling.
• don't reset zoom level in the trackTo function. This will fix weird dragging behavior.
• if an output directory is missing, don't fail. Just don't write to it. This will fix an install problem.
• add setting to change default zoom level. Set min and max zoom levels so they are not based on this default value anymore.
• make xy panning speed faster while zoomed out
• disable map controls (particularly the toggle button) when the marker edit popup is showing
• swap dpad and right stick controls
• don't reset zoom on map open

And features:

• touch controls
• skybox
• fog of war

[regal echo]

Actually I think this will mess with shadows a lot 🤔 might need to spawn a light

[fresh fiber]

i was just thinking that, a fake sun would be good. probably best to spawn that in? i can add luminance to the nif too pretty sure, lol could probably even make a litlle sun ball but idk

[regal echo]

Invisible light would be best I think

[mossy tide]

nexus comments are always so wild to me "here's a cool map mod" "oh hey can you add guar herd tracking btw I'm playing on the Zodiac Tapwave"

[fresh fiber]

i sent the wrong nif again sorry haha ffs

ok this is what i meant to send you, it doesnt have alight yet, 3d cube all angles are transparent from the outside and its walls/roof are set to textures\sky_cloudy.dds might be good idea to repack the sky texture to avoid replacer oddities

[fresh fiber]

Heres one with a light at the top

[junior pivot]

Ok, I regenerated textures, everything looks fine( I did not enable data files of the main game itself lol), paning still doesn't work as expected

[fresh fiber]

what happens when you pan?

[junior pivot]

I am on dev version of Android docker. So 0.51 omw

Game crashes

[fresh fiber]

yeah not expected 😅

[junior pivot]

I just wanted to report that textures bug was on my side

Well, I expected that correctly generating textures does not fix issue on android

I will ask to on Android chat

[regal echo]

Panning might be due to the UI scaling issue. Shouldn't crash though!

[regal echo]

Ty! I will check this week. I'm back at work now, vacation over

[fresh fiber]

ok no worries. good luck DLTBGYD

[junior pivot]

The image was taken with UI scale 1 so markers are on screen at all

Normally I play at 2.15 so I can read

Also updated the mod

Ok I found that paning the map with arrow keys actually works great

So I can't use stick or touchscreen

I guess controller menu option shouldn't matter

Yeah works for me but most android users don't have use controller

So most of them use touchscreen

Or emulated thumbstick

[regal echo]

Ty for the update! Glad to know it's possible. I'll add touch controls to my list

[junior pivot]

I will test with controller on PC to compare to controller on android

I have never played with controller on PC

Morrowind I mean

[regal echo]

I need to swap right stick and dpad controls. Not what people expect

[junior pivot]

Right stick works fine zooming in and out

On Android

[regal echo]

Yeah but right stick should be pan and dpad should be zoom

[fresh fiber]

the sky works but i havent been abke to make light work so far

[regal echo]

Oooo

Are those walls vertical?

Lol I can see the shadow of the wall 😂

This is going to be tricky

The other way to work this is to make the deadzone border way bigger than one cell

It would have to be something like 20 cells

Easiest I think is a doubled up plane below the normal one that tracks with camera panning

No shadow problems that way

And fog of war would hide the seam

[fresh fiber]

yeah or could do a globe around the plane also

[regal echo]

A fully enclosed shape will block sun shadows 😩

Need those normals to show up

[fresh fiber]

OK so basicly an upside down skydome

should be doable, 🤔 maybe just copy the vanilla sky and turn it upside down 🤷 could work

I'll try it out later

[crystal knot]

The things that need to be done here as workarounds

[daring valve]

Wouldn't be a good openmw mod without abusing todd somehow

[fresh fiber]

it's all workarounds. that's how the magic happens

[junior pivot]

So I tested on PC and leftstick + activate works

So it crashing is android specific (maybe it is interpreted as touch screen input idk)

But also I want to report some strange behevior

So when in initial position I zoomed out maximally

Then I move to the side and load next part of the map I am able to zoom out some more

Also this

I would like to not see the edge(when I move left more left part loads in)

And would it be possible to zoom out so I can see at least whole island?

Thanks a lot for such great work

Very excited about mod btw

Idk what it means exactly but...

[fresh fiber]

what's sdl?

[regal echo]

Yeah this is on my list but low priority after critical bugs

[junior pivot]

Idk it a response from android chanel

Or maybe it was urelated

I am to oblivious about this engine stuff to know

[fresh fiber]

I dont know much about it myself, especially android so I can't say if it is or not 😅

[junior pivot]

I thought it was response to me but more I think about it more doubtful I become

Anyway waiting for fixes impatiently😆

[regal echo]

I'm not on vacation anymore so you gotta be patient 😆

[junior pivot]

I know

[pine wren]

Ahhh I forgot about the map generation. Annoys me that the blender nif add-on isn't exposed to python, which would make it trivial to do.

[regal echo]

I don't touch python for personal projects because I want to have fun

[fresh fiber]

@regal echo hey check it out, i added an upsidedown skybox underneath, it looks nice along the edges but the mesh sits up on the bowl so it throws out the icons, is there a way you can spawn it so that the bowl is below the "floor" of the map, if that makes sense. i dunno if up the wrong tree here but it seems like progress

[regal echo]

This looks fantastic
Yeah I can do a second object below the map object

[fresh fiber]

dope! yeah its really nice seeing the clouds below

it would be cool to dynamically shift with the weather but i havent the faintest idea how to do that

[regal echo]

I can pick a different mesh depending on weather

Just duplicate it and attach different texture

It won't blend

Honestly don't worry about weather stuff rn

[fresh fiber]

oh yeah fair, well its definity not necessary. just daydreamin

[mossy tide]

wonder if it would look nice with some lithography-type cloud texture

hard to get looking right at all angles I imagine

[fresh fiber]

thats the tricky part

actually i say that but i realise i have no idea how to make it look like that either 😅

[crystal knot]

That's why it's tricky

[fresh fiber]

its ALL tricky parts

[pine wren]

Hahahaha I already have all the scripts to generate AO maps so it would be easy to just hijack that and export a nif, if only that part worked

[ionic marsh]

i like that it rains on the map when it rains in the world

i know why that happens, i just like it

[crystal knot]

In case of paper map it may be immersive as it feels more as if you were looking at a real map.

Btw floating names over markers would be a good option to have.

[regal echo]

dpad down should zoom in or zoom out?

quick 😛

up will be zoom out

[crystal knot]

That was quick

[regal echo]

currently done (so I don't forget to write it down when I publish):

• swapped more stuff to relative size UI. havent testing scaling yet
• don't reset zoom when tracking
• faster base panning
• panning is faster when zoomed out
• faster zooming in and out
• swapped dpad and right stick

[regal echo]

the change for scaled UI is going to take a lot more work

[regal echo]

1.0.5

• Less picky generator.
• Don't reset zoom when tracking.
• Faster panning and zooming.
• Panning is even faster when zoomed out.
• Swapped d-pad and right stick controls.
• Specular maps are saved in the Detail textures folder (previously they were missing).

that's all tonight

[gilded quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/yusuf-dikec-clap-gif-9420986115296736597

awesome work. can I update mid-save?

[regal echo]

Yeah no problem

[lost tusk]

Hey, should I be running sync.sh every time I update the mod or is that pointless?

[gilded quartz]

I also don't get that sync stuff. is my history deleted when I do it again?

[lost tusk]

Much better! The experience is pretty good now. A couple of things to make it even better...

• Could we also navigate the map with WASD? Arrow keys are fine, but WASD is more convenient.
• After closing the map, the camera looks to the ground. Would it be possible to have it face its original direction?

• Also, it happens rarely, but sometimes when I close the map, I'm stuck high in the air and can't move. Is this a known issue? In fairness, it could have something to do with my load order.

[junior pivot]

Same question here especially if I don't save my path

And in case I don't have access to pc

I already did that but on clean save with no problem

[regal echo]

You don't need to run sync again but you gotta copy your maps.json and the data folders from your previous version

[regal echo]

I can add wasd support but it needs to be after I disable inputs when the marker window is up.

The camera should look your original direction when you close the map.
You shouldn't be getting stuck.

These last two are bugs and I'll need your log to fix it

[fresh fiber]

aw its so good with the updated control 👌 🔥

[regal echo]

You don't have both omwscripts and omwaddon do you?

[lost tusk]

I have only the omwaddon

Hey, can you see openmw.log I just sent? My message just disappeared when I pressed enter 🤨

Is the log file too long for discord or something? smh

Here it is as a zip file, I guess

It's a mess to be fair.

I demonstrate two bugs.

After loading in for the first time, I tried to close the map by right clicking (not what you're supposed to do, but an easy mistake after years of habituation') and got the "stuck in the air bug".
After loading in again, I demonstrate the "looking at the ground" bug (after pressing the key I bound the map to).

Let me know if there's any other way I can help

[regal echo]

If you want to maintain a pre-sync'ed patch on nexus it would help a lot of people that can't follow my pain in the ass install instructions 😆

[lost tusk]

I don't know how I would do that. But I can make a video about your mod and show people how to follow your pain in the ass instructions 😄

[ivory solstice]

Hello, I'd watch that. As a person who didn't manually mod morrowind(or ever play it) before until recently, i read the readme file and got confused, failing the installation spectacularly afterwards , and feeling like a S'wit.

[lost tusk]

Gotta bundle the video with the mod as watchme.mp4

[regal echo]

I will prominently include links to your video everywhere

[ionic marsh]

put a QR code to the video inside of the mod

[dapper basin]

I will also make a small appearance of your mod when I finally get to making Morrowind Begginer Guide

To show the places where I will be pointing to

[regal echo]

I'm seeing doubled up close messages, as if you have both .omwscripts and omwaddon enabled

[scripts/sunsdusk/sd_p.lua]: wtf @daring valve 😆

this error is also suspicious:

[16:13:23.868 E] Global[scripts/livelymap/global.lua] eventHandler[LivelyMaponGetExteriorLocation] failed. Lua error: Can't find cell with name 
[16:13:23.868 E] stack traceback:
[16:13:23.868 E]     [C]: in function 'getCellByName'
[16:13:23.868 E]     [string "scripts/livelymap/global.lua"]:436: in function <[string "scripts/livelymap/global.lua"]:431>
[16:13:23.868 E]     [C]: in ?

[lost tusk]

In the plugins list in openmw.cfg, I only have the omwaddon

[regal echo]

could be double-registering the callback somehow

it's just a weird looking log

[lost tusk]

No wonder discord didn't like it

But like... I did not enable the omwscripts. It's just not on my content list 😄

[regal echo]

ok cool, just triple checking

[lost tusk]

Yeah, check my .cfg, I definitely could have done something insane there

I don't worry too much about which order I load stuff in. I got the MOMW MSP configuration and added a bunch of mods, mostly at the end where I can clearly see them

If there's a "best practices" course for loading mods, I'd like to take it

[regal echo]

Nothing special re: livelymap

It's just lua

[dry burrow]

But it would be greatly appreciated ❤️

[regal echo]

I will do it, I need it for my gameboy. Might just take a week

[fresh fiber]

i had better results loading LivelyMap early in my load order

[wanton mesa]

how do i install this?

[regal echo]

@lost tusk is making a video tutorial

[wanton mesa]

right

[crystal knot]

this will be your response to every question about installation now

[regal echo]

Hah yeah😅

[daring valve]

Haha I forget what that was for, I think I was testing things with the settings but that print has come and gone

[regal echo]

I reproduced the "look north" thing

it happens when you close the map and then move your camera with mouse or left stick afteward. it can even be a long time after

I think I have to reorient the player object, not just the camera

[regal echo]

seems like an openmw bug to me

[regal echo]

UI scaling is working now

[regal echo]

@lost tusk I added more logging and tried to code a little more defensively. I wasn't able to reproduce your bugs though sorry

@dry burrow UI scaling is published now

[lost tusk]

Am I the right person to be making the tutorial if I can't make the mod work without weird bugs? 😄

Haven't checked out the newest version yet, I'll do it later

[dry burrow]

Excellent, thanks!

[ivory solstice]

Really though, what should i type into my openmw.cfg? I installed weapon sheathing and it seemed pretty straightforward, copy the given text to my cfg,surely adding "Data Folders in this folder that you need to add to your openmw.cfg" can't be that bad

And adding 00 Core/LivelyMap.omwaddon as a plugin to openmw.cfg

[lost tusk]

• Right click and looking at the ground is fixed!
  But:
• Pressing M still toggles the map even when naming a marker or save file.
• After opening and closing the map a bunch of times, my WASD broke and I couldn't move at all. I had to reload the save.

I moved the map up in my load orded fwiw.

[fresh fiber]

you using pause control or hotkeys mod?

[crystal knot]

Btw I'm using Pause Control and noticed annoying issues with various hotkeys, e.g. during Alchemy or in the inventory my character gets out a torch when I press V while naming a potion or writing in a search bar (Light Hotkey mod) or a lockpick when I press L (Convenient Thief Tools). I don't recall such issues so it's either sth new after some update or I'm misremembering things. Seems new, though.

[fresh fiber]

yeah there's definitely something funky going on with ui modes. don't know much about how that works though

[daring valve]

That’s a specific bug with hotkey mods, I had it with devilish undress but ownlyme gave me the fix for it. Haven’t had that problem with other mods though or why it would be new

[crystal knot]

I don't know. Maybe it's because of 0.50.0 or updated versions of the mods.

I don't recall having such issures before

I've been playing with Pause Control for about 10 months

[daring valve]

Nah I have 0.50 and haven’t had that problem with light hotkey and convenient lockpicking, something might not be playing nice with unpaused menus though
Funny enough I have it happen in the scripts settings menu as well

[crystal knot]

as for Light Hotkey and Convenient Thief Tools, it's more like 14 months

[crystal knot]

maybe it's Pause Control, then

it had some update, right? Or maybe sth broke in 0.50.0

[daring valve]

No idea, I don’t use that mod

[crystal knot]

well, if you are not using it and still have the bug, then it might not be caused by Pause Control

[daring valve]

I only had it with one mod though and it was a bug from the original mod that was solved

No idea what would cause all of your mods with a hotkey to suddenly start doing that though

[crystal knot]

it seems similar to what @lost tusk is describing with that M key thing, though

[daring valve]

Is it a new thing that’s been happening?

[fresh fiber]

I've heard something similar a few times from various people recently and I get it from a few mods too, seems like more recently but im not certain it would be nice to figure it out

[regal echo]

The icons are probably horribly stretched on super wide monitor now 😩

Gotta move back to "size" from "relative size" and then find a workaround for partially visible icons

[junior pivot]

Hi I have a problem whit new update. I checked both 1.05 and 1.06 with fresh reinstall and latter crashes couple frames after opening a map

I am on Android

[regal echo]

Ty, will investigate these reports later today

[regal echo]

Do you have pause control or something else that might mess with control switches?

[regal echo]

this has me thoroughly stumped 😵‍💫
there's no useful log showing the crash info; it just stops

[dapper basin]

Maybe the device is out of memory and closes the game?

[junior pivot]

I will check again in about 2 hours

[lost tusk]

I don't know, do I? https://modding-openmw.com/lists/morrowind-starter-pack/ I don't think so...

[junior pivot]

Still about 3-4 gb of memory free

I even rescaled all textures by half(mod folder) and still one works and one doesn't

Now it crashes after 3 seconds

[junior pivot]

Last version works fine except UI scaling

Would be possible to change UI scale manually to mine with version 1.0.5?

[regal echo]

And still no useful log for the crash? I'd expect to see something

[junior pivot]

That Is all I have

[gilded quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/god-no-what-oh-disgusting-gif-6873718460571058262

[18:30:09.451 I] Global[scripts/livelymap/loaders/mapdata.lua]: onLoad: Started. Path file: scripts\LivelyMap\data\maps.json [18:30:09.844 E] Can't start L0x10468d5[scripts/third-person-alt-attacks/reanimate.lua]; Lua error: module not found: scripts/MaxYari/ReAnimation_v2/scripts/gutils [18:30:09.849 E] Can't start L0x10468d5[scripts/maxyari/mercycao/improvedai.lua]; Lua error: module not found: scripts.behaviourtreelua2e.lib.behaviour_tree [18:30:10.556 E] Can't start L@0x123[scripts/third-person-alt-attacks/reanimate.lua]; Lua error: module not found: scripts/MaxYari/ReAnimation_v2/scripts/gutils [18:30:10.557 E] Can't start L@0x123[scripts/maxyari/mercycao/improvedai.lua]; Lua error: module not found: scripts.behaviourtreelua2e.lib.behaviour_tree [18:30:10.562 E] Can't start L@0x131[scripts/third-person-alt-attacks/reanimate.lua]; Lua error: module not found: scripts/MaxYari/ReAnimation_v2/scripts/gutils [18:30:10.563 E] Can't start L@0x131[scripts/maxyari/mercycao/improvedai.lua]; Lua error: module not found: scripts.behaviourtreelua2e.lib.behaviour_tree [18:30:10.567 E] Can't start L@0x114[scripts/third-person-alt-attacks/reanimate.lua]; Lua error: module not found: scripts/MaxYari/ReAnimation_v2/scripts/gutils [18:30:10.568 E] Can't start L@0x114[scripts/maxyari/mercycao/improvedai.lua]; Lua error: module not found: scripts.behaviourtreelua2e.lib.behaviour_tree [...] [18:30:10.584 E] Can't start L0x1020015a6[scripts/maxyari/mercycao/improvedai.lua]; Lua error: module not found: scripts.behaviourtreelua2e.lib.behaviour_tree [18:30:10.971 I] L@0x1[scripts/bufftimers/player.lua]: Attempting to Destroy Tooltip...

this looks not very healthy lol

so I expect it crashed when it wants to load something that isn't existing. look for that stuff

[mossy tide]

it can't find any of your scripts by the looks of it, very little to do with the map mod. Look at the paths mentioned (everything on every line after /scripts).

[lost tusk]

I don't see any mods to explain what's happening.

It's crazy. The mod is pretty much unusable for me.

Hitting M never fails to trigger the map. I can't even type "coc balmora" into the console without opening it 😄

Using the map completely breaks my character controls. I can't even open the inventory 🤷‍♂️

Also, I've tried putting the mod last in my load order and now my character always looks at the ground after closing the map. Again.

Since it works for everyone else, I assume this is just a question of figuring out the right load order...

But the key trigger seems to be super aggressive. I mean, M opens the map even when the game is paused 🤔

[gilded quartz]

my char looks in the opposite direction when closing, so there's that

and always northed on the lively map

[daring valve]

Yeah they’ve been a few mods with that keybind problem, idk if it’s this mod though

[crystal knot]

annoying

[lost tusk]

it's shame because the mod is right up my alley

For fans of a paper map, this has popped up today https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58061

[daring valve]

I have it with devilish undress but only for the keybind I set for it (u), but yeah you and a few other people have it with several keybind mods

[lost tusk]

Haven't tried it myself. It's outdated since the full Gridmap hasn't been updated since 2023 (so Bal Foyen probably still says Andothren, for example)

[crystal knot]

there is another map as well

[lost tusk]

yep

[crystal knot]

with classic MW Paper map

[lost tusk]

unfortunately, only Vvardenfell though

[crystal knot]

seems that the flood gates have been opened

[crystal knot]

do you have a map for all of TR?

[lost tusk]

Well, obviously I don't. Honestly, I wouldn't even say no to an AI-drawn one at this point

[gilded quartz]

no, todd included no one for all of TR

but we can ask AI-Todd

[crystal knot]

sounds scary

[gilded quartz]

it is.

[crystal knot]

there is a great one for Thirr River

custom made

it's so damn good

[lost tusk]

gimme

[gilded quartz]

oh sorry, wrong one

[crystal knot]

https://ludovicfenouil.artstation.com/projects/RK593O

it's fucking crazy good

[lost tusk]

Oh yes! I've seen that in a loading screen 😄

[crystal knot]

yeah

[gilded quartz]

but why would anyone use that?

[lost tusk]

Well.... we need more

[gilded quartz]

the vanilla maps are so much better

for navigating and stuff

[crystal knot]

lol

you clearly don't know what many people want from the maps

many people are trying to make the maps less GPS-like

[lost tusk]

Hell no. I don't want the map to be useful. I just need it to look authentic!

[gilded quartz]

yeah I also don't know what people do in bed chief sherlock

[crystal knot]

I play with no player marker

how is that for utility?

[gilded quartz]

okey maybe it's cool. I think such maps existed back in medival

[crystal knot]

MW Vanilla map isn't too detailed by modern standards

but I still want sth that feels more diegetic

[lost tusk]

I want to be forced to purchase the map for each region. I want to be completely lost despite having one. I want to figure out my location based on the sun and my surroundings.

[gilded quartz]

I just like the vanilla maps. for the reason that vanilla navigation (go to the third street, right turn, on the second bridge left near the tree with the flowers etc) is already hard enough

[crystal knot]

FOW effect

you shouldn't see anything besides Seyda Neen at start

terra incognita 🔥

it's unknown land

[gilded quartz]

[lost tusk]

Yes. No automatic markers. You shouldn"t even see the shape of the land.

Unless you buy a paper map, which should be crude.

[crystal knot]

there are such maps in-game

so guide to Vvardenfell could give you rough Vvardenfell shape

but no details

you need to explore yourself

no player marker unless turned on

[lost tusk]

True. I just wish you could put them all together in one layout. Just make them a little bit more convenient than they are now. That's all I need.

[gilded quartz]

could be good.

yeah, not for us who all know the map in and out. but maybe for others.

[crystal knot]

you probably know the map well in commonly traversed regions

not in the middle of the Ashlands

or on the mainland

I often get lost there

[lost tusk]

Exactly

[gilded quartz]

mhm yeah on the mainland often

vvardenfell not so much

[crystal knot]

I think that Lively Map paper map version with potential FOW effect has the highest potential

for a proppa map

immersive one

[lost tusk]

If you need more convincing, play KCD2. Hardcore also has a negative perk which can spawn you in a completely random location after sleeping. Really forces you to learn the world.

[crystal knot]

oh, I play KCD2 in Hardcore mode

no marker

good

[gilded quartz]

people should travel more often to dagon fell after start. you have an assload, and I really mean an assload, of restoring health ingredients in sheogorad region to pick up right there.

[crystal knot]

I love the fact that you can ask the NPCs for directions

[lost tusk]

All negative perks? That is the way.

[gilded quartz]

it's saltrice and the other stuff

[crystal knot]

and it shows your location on the map

[gilded quartz]

Wickwheat

so I spent quite a lot time there

[crystal knot]

it's not exactly a common destination for newbs

but it's possible

I often play with no in-game map nowadays (I never switch from the local one to the world map one), lol

[gilded quartz]

yes, creatures are strong there but you can go to the ashlander camps on northeast of morrowind, where the white guar is.

you can pick a ton of great ingredients while the guar will help you hunting down any animal attacking you, giving more ingredients

best. start. ever.

[crystal knot]

ha ha

nice

I recommend playing with no map btw

[gilded quartz]

he has like a radius of 2 km where he is standing helping you defeating anyone

[crystal knot]

and relying on your knowledge and in-game maps like "Maps of Vvardenfell"

when the ashstorm hits and visibility is shit

you will probably want to stop

lol

[gilded quartz]

yes I try using as less help as possible

in most cases at least

[regal echo]

Pretty sure I can disable the activation key when there are any other windows up

I've mashed the map toggle key on and off super aggressively for 10s of seconds and it hasn't locked up

Also I'd like to remind everyone that all my mods are under AGPL so you are free to fork and contribute or adapt etc (provided your work is also under AGPL)

[crystal knot]

this is the one of the most popular mods this year so far 😄

[regal echo]

1.0.7 coming soon

• Disable map toggling when in other inventory windows.
• Disable map toggling while editing a marker.
• Fix positions of Detect icons.
• Fix positions of debug icons.
• De-squash icons for wide screens.
• Emergency "lua unstuck" command.

published

Won't have much time this weekend to work on the mod

[ivory solstice]

It wasn't actually that hard to install at all, installed it with the paper map patch, works flawlessly so far, only thing i noticed is if i left click on the map and move it to the right, when i exit it and try to my mouse , it jerks to the opposite direction i dragged the map to. So if i open it and drag right, it will skip my camera to the left when i move my mouse in the first person. Anyone else got that?
Edit, every time i open the map it jerks my character north, the marker also points north. It's not game breaking, just mildly annoying

[ivory solstice]

Deserved, i will not be turning this off anytime soon

[regal echo]

Yeah I also reproduced this bug. Planning on fixing it, just don't know what's breaking yet

[junior pivot]

Tried new version crashes the same

If it helps Ill describe what I noticed I crash behevior

So when I open map immediately game crashes immediately

If I wait a bit

I am able to open map and I don't move map it doesn't crash

I can pan a little bit to sides

When I move to more to the sides or up-down at all game crashes

Also reinstalled those mods that were pointed to me

[regal echo]

Sounds like the crash is happening on tile switch 🤔

[ivory solstice]

Take your time man. You rock. I have a question, do you plan on adding some kind patreon or buy me a coffee link?

[regal echo]

(please don't call me man, thx)
I'm unable to accept money for things I program because it would conflict with my employment

[ivory solstice]

Alright i won't, my bad. Good to know

Sorry about that

[junior pivot]

Also immediate crash when indoors

[ivory solstice]

I just thought it would be neat to have a way to support a mod creator who's work i like

[ivory solstice]

Poor fella, glad i don't have that

[regal echo]

Thank you for the thought 😌
If you post screenshots on Nexus and endorse the mod, that's enough for me

[crystal knot]

download the mod, give kudos, leave a good comment...

[ivory solstice]

Already done

👍

[crystal knot]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[regal echo]

If you use the paper map then there won't be any tile switching. Might be worth trying

No idea why it's busted in interiors

[junior pivot]

Also tried that behevior the same

I don't know I think I will just pass on this mod for a while

[ivory solstice]

I have a suggestion.It turns out it's not that hard to install the thing(if you install the paper map, not the 3d version, hadn't gotten around to that so can't tell), so you could link the https://openmw.readthedocs.io/en/stable/reference/modding/mod-install.html
in the mod description or the readme file for less confusion

[junior pivot]

I work in delegations. after this week I go back to work so I need mostly finished product(no access to pc and limited data access). So I might try again later. Great mod. Thx for help ma'am.

[regal echo]

Sorry it's so busted on Android 😔
Thanks for the bug reports

[junior pivot]

I still will follow your work though 😁

[pine wren]

Looks great!

[regal echo]

Thanks for making a great POM shader 😄

[pine wren]

I will try to figure out if I can make a script to generate a nif version at some point so people who don't want to change their whole shader setup can use it hahaha

[regal echo]

got your sky bowl working @fresh fiber

https://github.com/erinpentecost/LivelyMap/releases/tag/1.1.0 if anyone wants it early

might also be fun to activate a shader while the map is up

not sure what though

[crystal knot]

We need this! GOT music playing

[regal echo]

I'm not sure which version introduced the "always look north" bug but if someone can figure that out for me I'd appreciate it

[fresh fiber]

I dont think I ever got that bug 🤔

[finite tinsel]

cough ocarina of time song of storms cough
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kyle.james.alm.piano

Coincidence? What do you think?

All things aside, I actually love Ramin Djawadi and think he’s one of the best modern film composers we have.

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[regal echo]

I went all the way back to pre-release and the bug is still there. Something terrible is going on

omg even with a new character

[crystal knot]

[regal echo]

I'm defeated. This makes no sense

it used to work for me, it works for you

it doesn't work for other people

I tried 0.50 and 0.50rc1

[fresh fiber]

oh that's madness

there must be some errant code somewhere.. you don't use a mod pack do you?

[regal echo]

all my stuff is manual

mostly content mods

ah you know what

lemme try without one stick

[fresh fiber]

hmm yeah, it's just bizarre

you can do it! we believe in you!

[regal echo]

one stick on/off has no change

it's got to be some race condition

you are on latest and the compass points in the right spot, right? and when you close the map and touch your mouse, the camera doesn't teleport north?

just to confirm I'm living in reality

[fresh fiber]

Well now I doubt myself 😅 so I'll have to check again..

[regal echo]

I don't get why the player position is changing. I'm just changing the camera!

[crystal knot]

It's 10.01.2026

Tamriel is not real.

rules Bethesda

[gilded quartz]

I had this bug too in previous versions (haven't upgraded yet)

after closing I still looked in the same direction, but my compass pointed north. with the slightest mouse movement it instantly switched my view to north

and somehow I did a 180° or something during that process, like from looking forward to instant backwards

just tried again. this screenshots are 1. before open 2. open 3. right after closing 4. moving the mouse 1 mm

the thing you see in the third screen is probably my sheated weapon, it's already turned to the right direction as it seems

(notice the compass)

[fresh fiber]

OK that's nuts I just checked and it is happening to me too
I swear I would have noticed if it was happening before, like its extremely disorienting. I can only confirm that you are no crazier than me 🤷

[regal echo]

[regal echo]

I put in a workaround: https://github.com/erinpentecost/LivelyMap/releases/tag/1.1.1
pretty please someone confirm this works for them before I publish on nexus 🙏

[regal echo]

published 1.1.1

Ugh I forgot to test panning to a new tile

[gilded quartz]

I would love to test but still got a trauma from the initial installation

just put the linux binary into the folder of the lively mod and exec?

[regal echo]

The binary goes in /cmd/lively , I think I put a comment in the readme

[gilded quartz]

somehow I hate those git sites. where do I find the readme there?

[regal echo]

put the binary here: cmd/lively

panning to new tiles works still 😄

[gilded quartz]

okey I put it there but I think I still have the bug

my other files from januar 3rd though

update everything now

no it's better now

[regal echo]

Whew!

Ty for checking

[gilded quartz]

so the direction is now right

when I'm northed the mouse stays vertically in the correct position

when I look in other directions it flips horzontally

tried a video, couldn't

mom screens

[regal echo]

Oh no 😩

[gilded quartz]

this are two examples when you look in the "wrong" direction

north works perfectly and smooth somehow

but it's far better now. the complete "where tf I am?!" moment when you made a 180° is gone.

[fresh fiber]

feels very smooth now for me 👍

[regal echo]

very not-performant fog wip

I don't think I can get away with shoving these into the normal icon system

there are too many

5000 icons to deal with

[fresh fiber]

This might be a really dumb idea, im not sure. but what about using something like this that s3ctor was using for shifting textures on icons. i dont know what the logistics would be like to set up, im just imagining a single huge texture overlayed above the map with transparency instead of the colour change displayed here. i guess it might be an impossible range of combinations but maybe thers some magic that could be done. just putting it out there..

[regal echo]

I'm actually already using s3ctor's atlases 🙂

for the fog frames and compass pointer

[regal echo]

upside of trying to get fog to work is fps is better at least

I kind of have to invert the whole icon pipeline to get fog to work at a reasonable fps. like pass in the viewable cells rather than get all registered icons

maybe I can get away with a new hook that triggers when the camera moves

[regal echo]

I haven't been able to reproduce this 😩

[gilded quartz]

all good, my game is heavily modded with tons of UI mods

so maybe fault on my client side

[regal echo]

oh yay I got fog down to 40k operations a second 😩

59 fps when map is down
56 fps when map is up
20 fps when foggy

[regal echo]

I kind of like how it's not full coverage

just seems moody

[crystal knot]

Looks cool

Fits this map version at least.

It probably won't look as good for paper version

I imagine fog of war for paper map looking as blank space (maybe with just some basic/blurred continent outline and some occassional "drawn" clouds) that you gradually fill up during exploration. This is, however, my imagination running wild, while harsh modding reality is probably different

[crystal knot]

Btw I think that this sparser fog looks much better than full fog coverage as it seems less artificial.

[regal echo]

To get fancier fog it's gotta be a super wacky shader. This fog is just 2d sprites like the icons. I think a shader version could be way cooler

[mossy tide]

does it... swirl?

[regal echo]

No, these are just static. They change when you pan your map around. It's pretty distracting

[mossy tide]

could overlay a second flat mesh and scroll a cloud texture on it

but a shader is probably the way to go

using icons/sprites is inventive tho

[regal echo]

To get fancy fog:

1. Sample the map at regular screen space intervals to determine if that point is in fog.
2. Save these samples into a big 2d array.
3. Pass this array into a post processing fog shader to render fog. Lerp between the samples

Yeah I think ultimately it would be way better as a shader. Impossible to do in a normal UI though (but I'm fine with that)

Then it can be an animated etc

Do blur or drain hue

[mossy tide]

theoretically you could, if using sprites, start with the entire map filled and remove them when the player marker gets near to emulate fog of war. But then you're tracking an array of sprites which makes 5000 look like a small number

[regal echo]

This caused 4 fps. Current method is pretty cool:
I find the cell extents that are visible in the camera, then subtract visited cells. Then I merge the cells into a list of square extents that get full coverage. Then do one fog icon per extent and just scale it up

Reinvented fustrum culling

[mossy tide]

lol nice

[crystal knot]

https://www.faberhama.com/TERRA-INCOGNITA I found this by googling. I think that it looks more or less how I imagined it, i.e. blank map state for terra incognita and more detailed map for known locations

or KDC-style

[regal echo]

The "blank" map effect is going to be impossible

[crystal knot]

yeah, I was afraid of that

so maybe stylized fog/clouds like in KDC is the next best thing

[regal echo]

At best I'd need a filler texture that could be blended in

Which will work but will look shimmery

And it won't color match at all

[crystal knot]

btw I don't know if you've ever played Elden Ring but there are some cool af things going on there. Like the map starts zoomed in on one region and as you explore more it gets bigger... and then even bigger... it puts everything in perspective and makes the world feel huge. I don't even know whether sth like that could work in MW but it's just fun to see how other games do it.

[regal echo]

I could pretty easily put an upper limit on zoom and pan so you can't go beyond where you've been

And no I haven't played ER because I like slow games

[crystal knot]

Another possibility is blur/distortion effect. The paper map would be "unfocused" until you discover the location. Could end up looking like shit. Could be cool. Hard to say without seeing the final effect

[regal echo]

Yeah I had mentioned that. Paper map fog could just be desaturation

None of that might be possible though, don't know if I can pass in an array to a shader

https://openmw.readthedocs.io/en/stable/reference/lua-scripting/openmw_postprocessing.html##(Shader).setFloatArray

Now do I do a float 2d array or just pass in a bunch of points that are "visible"

2d Array is more CPU work

And would not be stable when panning

[regal echo]

this is going to look so cool 👁️

[ivory solstice]

How's that "Look north" bug fix going for ya?

[regal echo]

are you saying it's not fixed for you? 😩

[ivory solstice]

Hadn't updated

Yet

It stopped working altogether

[regal echo]

then yeah I hope I nailed it

[ivory solstice]

Will update rn

Also openmw question

Will i be executed by firing squad if send pictures of my screen?

[regal echo]

...no?

[ivory solstice]

I want to ask something about some stuff in the launcher

[regal echo]

oh lol

#troubleshooting

[ivory solstice]

It's not really a trouble shooting thing but I'll go there yeah

I'll give an update once i got the new map version

[crystal knot]

I know, right? Also, it's thematic. BLURpanda 🤡

[regal echo]

everyone keeps calling me "panda"

there's an R

🤣

like "cassandra"

[ivory solstice]

Yay everything works

Flawlessly

Good job

[regal echo]

wooo! ty

[ivory solstice]

[regal echo]

next update will have more fps and fog

[ivory solstice]

WOOOO

Yes baby

That's what I've been waiting for

That's what's it all about

[regal echo]

some silent hill fog

[ivory solstice]

I wanted to suggest the fog option but you beat me to it

[regal echo]

morrowind without fog is like cereal without milk

[ivory solstice]

So true!

[crystal knot]

might as well embrace your destiny

[regal echo]

upside down but getting there

[crystal knot]

nice

[regal echo]

whoops

yup

Now I just need to make it pretty

[lost tusk]

Elden Ring does the map so well. Besides the gradual size reveal, I also love that you can study the actual drawings to find secrets (similarly to KCD) and you can place waypoints to create beacons of light in the world. Really cool stuff.

[crystal knot]

Yeah. Also, regions are not immediately visible. You have to find the map first. It's really well-done.

Exploration-wise ER is one of the best games I've ever played.

it's because of the map and the way the designed the world

[lost tusk]

Absolutely. The fact that it was their first open world game is just insane.

[crystal knot]

then you check some open world slop like AC and just laugh

[lost tusk]

Unfortunately, the useless rewards and repetitive bossess really bogged the game down, though.

Still very enjoyable

[fresh fiber]

thats amazing

[regal echo]

🧛 vibes

I should make the fog super heavy if it samples off-mesh

https://github.com/erinpentecost/LivelyMap/releases/tag/1.2.0 if anyone wants it early

[crystal knot]

everything is always so confusing to me on Github

[regal echo]

@crystal knot https://github.com/erinpentecost/LivelyMap/archive/refs/tags/1.2.0.zip

[crystal knot]

sure, thx. I meant the general UI and such 😄

[regal echo]

got some nicer fading going on now

the fog animation is kinda distracting but it hides the slow update rate

[regal echo]

Now it's only flickery along the border 😄

[regal echo]

oof there's an annoying bug

you won't like 1.2.0

[fresh fiber]

what is it? i was just downloading 😅

[regal echo]

freaks out on any mouse movement in other windows 😬

just putting in a setting now and will publish soon

[fresh fiber]

it seems fine for me, do youmean like in windowed mode or something?

[regal echo]

no error spam huh?

[fresh fiber]

no errors, thers a bunch of stuff like this

[23:13:19.447 I] L@0x1[scripts/livelymap/draw.lua]: new coroutine
[23:13:19.672 I] Global[scripts/ernperkframework/global.lua]: Saved 3925 variables
but that doesnt seem like errors, is it?

[regal echo]

nah those are fine

publishing in a bit

oh I gotta find a canton with big doors so I can ori it

[fresh fiber]

nice, yeah well im having trouble breaking it rn anyway so 😎 👍

[regal echo]

I need the record id

[fresh fiber]

Ex_V_cantondoor_01

[regal echo]

thanks, now vivec shows up as blue town instead of blue warning

[gilded quartz]

but warning sign for vivec is correct. nobody should visit this city anyways.

[regal echo]

Nexus is super slow

1.2.1 is on GitHub

No longer trending 😔

[mossy tide]

yeah put in your mod of the month vote guys

[fresh fiber]

i think the clouds are moving a bit fast

[regal echo]

yeah I thought so too. it's better in 1.2.1

Ok, published on Nexus 😄

[crystal knot]

where can I vote btw?

[regal echo]

next feature is showing your other characters on the map I think

then someone (not me) can give people a script to sync their player.jsons to a s3 bucket and pull down everyone else's

and then you can see where everyone is

[crystal knot]

what's that for? MP?

[regal echo]

it's for normal MW

openmw*

just a cute little thing

[mossy tide]

it's next to the endorse button

[regal echo]

oh yeah! I wanted to get color maps working (based on textures)

I set that aside months ago because it was so irritating

[regal echo]

Ooo I can disable map mesh collision-
#lua-scripting message

[eager crater]

sophie42069101

I think you can do it like that in vanilla engine but not in openmw

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[ivory solstice]

+1, already did

How does this fog work with the paper map? Should be aight?

[crystal knot]

I imagine it would look slightly different

[regal echo]

It just desaturates and darkens any map

The shader could be overwritten in the patch

If someone else wants to take a crack at a paper map specific fog shader feel free

[regal echo]

@cunning stag if you've got an HD cell-aligned map with known coordinates I can help you make a patch for Starwind

[cunning stag]

Uh but I mean the whole reason I was asking about that was because I thought I didn't have to, I don't understand.

There is a world map on the plugins. I thought it would use it.

It doesn't actually really matter if it's cell-aligned at all, to me. There isn't really such a concept. I mean, other than the door markers existing in the real world.

[regal echo]

By world map do you mean hand-crafted WNAM subrecords or actual vertex subrecords? The generator doesn't read WNAM

[cunning stag]

It's WNAMs

[mossy tide]

is there an existing up to date map for starwind?

[cunning stag]

I made for .51 but I've been sitting on it since we haven't released yet

I want to minimize opportunity for people to fuck it up. But I'll send it if ya want it.

On earlier builds it will work but have default colors and it looks, uh, bad

[mossy tide]

can't be harder to read than https://www.starwars.com/star-wars-galaxy-map
might be a fun project but I don't really have a conception of what a star wars map ought to look like

[cunning stag]

didn't you see mine?

It's not at all accurate to the universe, or frankly even Starwind itself, but the Starwind galaxy map is already just ridiculous (there are, I think, three stars and 12 planets plus most of the DLC planets aren't even in the same solar system and thus should not be on the same map and)

FUCK NO SHIT PISS I FORGOT ONE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Average monday.

[mossy tide]

I mean this in the best possible way, it reminds me of https://www.spacejam.com/1996/jam.html

[cunning stag]

Yea I have a higher res image of this, but

Well, this map dwarfs a finished TR very very badly

The map ESP is like 52MB or something

[mossy tide]

whoa nelly

[cunning stag]

So it seemed like a gigantic pain in the ass to figure out what cells any of this actually maps to

4Kx2K map image embedded in ESP

I even made sure to give Tatooine a second sun as I have been ranting about weather bindings having multi-sun capability since 2023

[regal echo]

If there was a Lively Map patch you could do one file per planet if you wanted. Still gotta figure out the cell extents.
I'm not sure how useful it would actually be to players though since they are always in interiors

[cunning stag]

well that was why I asked about tracking fake exts

and whether or not it would trace fake exts back to their real-world destinations

because if it works in Tribunal, it will work here

[regal echo]

Yeah it will work like that. It's just an exterior map though

[cunning stag]

i'm not really sure if I understand what that means

you say that as if to imply, I should just make the other map images

I do still have all the source images

such as

[regal echo]

How many locations are there on each planet? Would it be useful to know where on the planet you are, or is there just like one location per planet?

We could do one world map tile per planet if you want. Then you don't need to pay for a bunch of dead space if you don't want to.

To get any patch to work though, I'd need to know the cell coordinates for the corners of every world map tile

You'll only be able to see one world map tile at a time though

[ivory solstice]

It doesn't (there is no distinguishable fog as far as i can tell), i assume it's because i don't have post processing on and some other stuff in the settings

[regal echo]

Yeah you need post processing since it's a shader effect

[regal echo]

It was the only way to get fps