Sun's Dusk: Needs & Survival

[sour leaf]

Makes sense

I remember reading at some point that, at the current dev speed, the estimated completion date for all of Tamriel would be 2090 or something like that.

That was a few years ago though so I’m not 100% sure if that’s what it was

[rotund epoch]

all of Tamriel will never happen

but all of Morrowind is in sight

it's doable

[warm saddle]

Maybe in

[sour leaf]

I find your lack of faith shallow and pedantic

[half summit]

at the rate mods are progressing someone is going to make a landscaping tool that generates the whole map at the same time as someone makes procedural dungeons and quests. it'll be done by 20/9

[rough salmon]

procedural quests are already here

[rotund epoch]

Faith? I have plenty. Here is my vision: it's 2090. Todd Howard sits on his Golden Throne. His vital functions are supported artificially. He still directs BSG but the common folk never see him. The priests of Adeptus Toddicus are doing everything the can to keep Todd alive as he is BSG's only hope. The high priests can even communicate with Todd telepathically. His last instructions are clear: another Skyrim rerelease is needed. The preparations are already in place.

[rough salmon]

and procedural dungeons are kinda possible

I just think Ralts put that project on hold for now

[sour leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-new-vegas-mr-house-house-mmm-gif-9760494764755111271

Todd in 2090

[sour leaf]

What project?

[half summit]

the imperium of todd will muck about all dey like but that don't matta when the openmw Boyz are ridin the mod waagh straight up da middle, plenty of dakka on the way, then give em the boot when we get there

[rough salmon]

he was poking aroung procedural dungeon generation

in a similar way Minecraft structures work - by making a set of prefabs, each with X available connections and then connecting them by those passages

[charred tide]

Sometimes I wonder whether SD is a reaction to DN or whether it would have happened on its own.

[rough salmon]

DN definitely showed what works and what can be improved

[sour leaf]

I could see that but at the same time, people have been desperate for OpenMW’s answer to Ashfall so it’s also not surprising that two separate mods got made around the same time

[rotund epoch]

Seems like a natural expansion path.

[plush shale]

hey could SD create a food mod ecosystem?

i would be honored to make some foods but idk how to food in blender

[hearty knot]

Okay, this is such a minor thing: why is the rest indicator positioned between food and hydration on the HUD? It just feels like food and hydration belong together 😄 I find myself constantly not knowing where they are

[warm saddle]

What do you mean ?

[plush shale]

i mean it would have a hunger system

thus leading to needing food

thus leading to more food

[warm saddle]

There was a reason for this but I can’t remember exactly, although I can find the place where you can change the order of the icons

hopefully changing the order doesn’t break anything

But yeah actually hunger and thirst were on the left and then sleep was on the right, the order was changed at some point though

[warm saddle]

I think it would’ve happened on its own because one of the main reasons I wanted to make it is because ownlyme plays with Roguelite which would make any survival mod I’ve ever seen incompatible

There’s a challenge for it that requires you to go 2 weeks without resting/waiting, even if you avoided that challenge it would still suck to not be able to complete it

[little haven]

This is compatible with roguelite?

[warm saddle]

Yeah haha

I wouldn’t make a mod that’s incompatible with ownlyme’s xD

[little haven]

I had it disabled because I figured it wouldn't

I'll re-enable it

[warm saddle]

Yup :) the whole reason there are sleep cycles is for the insomniac ability which is the roguelite compatibility haha

[warm saddle]

It's almost time ...

Had to take a nap

[warm saddle]

Changelog v1.6

Features and Changes

NEW Water types

• Refill saltwater in oceans and seas and suspicious water in dungeons
• Purify water by interacting with a fire before cooking
• Several settings added for various locations
• Saltwater
  • Drinking saltwater increases thirst
  • Purifying saltwater has a chance to give a salt pile or starfish leg if TD is installed
• Suspicious water
  • Receive magicka regen or a debuff or magicka regen based on luck (0 luck = 25% chance, 100 luck = 90% chance)
  • Thirst value is also restored based on luck
  • Purifying sus water has a chance to give you a few ingredients
    NEW Tea brewing
• Interact with a teapot or kettle (TD, OAAB) with heather or stoneflower petals in your inventory
• Must have 5 of either ingredient and a teacup (Redware cup, ceremonial tea cups)
• Merchants sell teapots, teacups (TD and OAAB) and a new redware teapot
  NEW Books
• Several books have been added to the game with detailed info
• Book about cooking can be found at merchants
• When the player enters Census and Excise office, books spawn on the shelf next to the Firmament
• Otherwise books are added to inventory
  Bathing and Dirtiness
• Added support for Korona's Bath and Provincial Bath Shoppe
  • Use bath salts, bath oil, perfume, etc by placing them in the overworld and interacting with them as you do for telvanni bug musk while bathing
  • Using bath products and soaps give you special buffs
• Added the other half of OAAB towels to drying items
• Towels now have more charges for drying than the misc cloth and folded cloth items
• Bathhouses are warmer
• Swimming in saltwater or suspicious water causes durability damage to armor (especially in dirty locations)
• Quickloot enjoyers gain dirtiness when opening containers in dungeons

Settings

• Some default settings have been changed
• New UI settings for tooltips and message boxes
• New bathing setting for quickloot integration
• New environment settings for refilling water types
• New thirst and environment settings needs setting for vampires and werewolves
• New setting in Cooking to enable/disable tea brewing
• Wood sparkling is now an option
  UI
• Tooltips displayed in the world such as when hovering over wood, wells, etc now have several icon skins to choose from
• Hide or change world tooltip icon and text
  Fixes
• Fixed an error when getting dirty with a house buff
• Tooltip for dirtiness modifier in locations now updates correctly
• Fixed the openBottles table not doing anything (commented out all open bottles instead)
• Nourishment abilities are now properly applied
• Uvirith's Legacy magicka fountain no longer refills water
  Other
• Added warmth values to the Tea mod and Expanded Loot soups and stews
• Added TD salt to database which can now be used in cooking
• Added separate document for changelog
• Argonians no longer receive debuffs when wet if racial ability setting is enabled
• Removed the squareInfluence tag from vectors, baked into the exponent and added comment for what climate sources were squared before
• High temperatures give a lower wetness debuff, though the name of the magic effect doesnt make sense anymore now

[stable bronze]

giving the new build a test run, where exactly do I bathe?

[warm saddle]

You only need to be wet (and undressed) to bathe, you can swim too

[stable bronze]

Oh, well that's convenient

[proven nymph]

Does it require a new game?

[warm saddle]

Nope

[proven nymph]

best mod ever

[sour leaf]

Not to be a pain in the ass but the "disable tooltips" setting doesn't seem to be working for me

[warm saddle]

The disable tooltips is only for the UI widget, to hide tooltips when hovering over things you'll need to set the icon and font size of World Tooltips to 0

As far as lua goes, both are considered tooltips

[sour leaf]

Ohhh

What does "disable tooltips" disable exactly?

[rotund epoch]

Nice update. So you detect Odai and Thirr as freshwater, Sea of Ghost and Inner Sea as saltwater and water directly in Balmora as water full of shit?

[warm saddle]

When you hover over the UI widget, there won't be any tooltips displayed

Same thing happens if you lock the HUD

[sour leaf]

Ohhhhhhh

[warm saddle]

Yes except for Balmora haha, it's freshwater same as the Odai

I could do a setting for the urban center of balmora being suspicious water like how I did vivec though

[rotund epoch]

"You find something floating in the water and it's not a slaughterfish. Suddenly you feel dirty..."

[warm saddle]

But you can also enable the setting that makes anything other than wells and the ocean to be suspicious

[rotund epoch]

Nice

So freshwater doesn't need to be cooked?

Only sus and salt?

[warm saddle]

Correct

[rotund epoch]

Ok

[rotund epoch]

I guess that this is the most realistic option ATM, then 🙂

[sour leaf]

For some reason I cant seem to bathe

[warm saddle]

Yeah I'm tryna figure that out

When I was testing earlier I had no problem with it and now there is apparently

[rotund epoch]

You need to use a water tap in your shower. Soap only, no Sload variants. Remember to pay the bills for water as well or it's a no go.

[warm saddle]

There is now an option to disable sload soap

[sour leaf]

Have you tried setting it to wumbo

[rotund epoch]

Maybe it's because of Quickloot bathing setting you added

[warm saddle]

Nah I got it

Uploading the fix now but if you want you can overwrite your module_clean.lua with this and then reloadlua if you don't feel like downloading the whole thing from nexus again

[warm saddle]

That's from purifying like 20L of suspicious water haha

[gloomy mango]

Oooh. Panning for gold comes to mine 👀

[warm saddle]

Yeah I only did like ... 10-20 ingredients or so ? We just thought it was funny haha but I might end up doing more

Also there's now finally a reliable way to get salt

[proven nymph]

ooh that's really cool. meat cooking and salting

[sour leaf]

It’s a good thing you refined that. Wouldn’t want to be drinking shards of glass

[gloomy mango]

Nah I more mean with the code that you've implemented here, you could quite easily I imagine make a panning for gold module if you so desired 😄

[gloomy mango]

This reminds me somehow, I LOVE that SD gives me so much soap so I can craft poisons to use with Come's poison mod 😄

I've been making so many Writ target's veins sparkling clean

[warm saddle]

purifying water and making tea

and here are all the new bath buffs

[proven nymph]

love the tw2 triss armor

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/witcher-videogame-gif-19874949

[half summit]

it's.. so beautiful ..😭

really cool that your using the bath shoppe items, I was gonna be populating all my bath houses with that stuff anyway since I found koranas resource for all that

[rough salmon]

Can anyone just send an archive with og bath shoppe? I don't really want to run an .exe to get an archive myself

[gloomy mango]

Don’t have it, sorry. But just out of curiosity why would you need to run an exe to extract a file?

[half summit]

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/27167
it's in here

as well as the long sought after wooden toilet. stay tuned for BToM, coming soon!

[rough salmon]

Because it's a 20 year old mod and people back then were different

[rough salmon]

That's what I'm talking about

I'm not running that

[gloomy mango]

Lmao

Not at you. At it being an exe

Probably to make installing “simple” and I bet users were constantly asking how to install and copying to wrong folder etc lol

[half summit]

ahh I see

[little haven]

People need to stop shitting in the Balmora river

Where are they getting their drinking water from

[rotund epoch]

deep underground... safe space...

unless they shit in the well as well

[sour leaf]

I ran it last night so I can send you a zip with the files

[rough salmon]

I would appreciate it

[sour leaf]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kLjkvfAecgYnsB7cRIXZuzkCKDSxndYd/view?usp=sharing

[rough salmon]

Probably will download it tomorrow

[sour leaf]

@warm saddle quick question: What does this setting do exactly?

[rotund epoch]

can't bathe in armour?

[sour leaf]

Oh so I either have to be naked or wearing normal clothes

If I set this to yes, I just can't bathe in armor?

[warm saddle]

Yeah I’ll send it if no one else has (still reading through messages haha)
I was a little sus about using the exe as well but all the exe does is unzip the mod I’m pretty sure, some old oldwind mods ended up doing this for a specific reason but I forget

[warm saddle]

Yeah just lmk what you end up using, or send me a list or I can just find it in your mod haha
I’ll add them to restocking vendors or I can have specific restocking at your bath house employees

[warm saddle]

Correct

Excludes the helm and boots slots though but yeah disable that if you want to bathe while wearing armor

[vernal marsh]

You can get an exe dumper to get the files out

[brazen reef]

Hi hyacinth, thank you for the amazing mod! Would you have any advice for a good approach to make body feeding from Devilish Vampire Overhaul/Better Vampires script (or a hypothetical dialogue trigger) fulfill thirst and hunger requirements for a vampire?

[warm saddle]

Does it not already? 0.o

[brazen reef]

I really thought it didn't when I was testing earlier! Wait, I'll go and double check 😂

[warm saddle]

Yeah I thought I already added that

[brazen reef]

At least with Better Vampires it doesn't work, ig it changes the script too much from DVO? I'll install and try DVO itself out of curiosity

Drinking blood from the flask works, but feeding by crouching over the NPC didn't

Using the latest Sun's Dusk

[warm saddle]

Ohh with better vampires no, devilish vampires has it though yes

Hmm

Gotcha

The easiest way would be to apply that potion when using the mwscript, otherwise I’ll have to do some things from my end

[brazen reef]

True enough haha, I'll do that. Thanks!

[warm saddle]

Alright after much work I have the gitlab done

[little haven]

now we can help you with the mod

[warm saddle]

https://gitlab.com/lhya/sunsdusk

[warm saddle]

Yeah tbh if someone can make sense of the cooking API enough to add hardcoded recipes that would be lit

I don't want to refactor that shit

I also have a wiki there as well, most of the pages are empty atm but I do have all the text of the books https://gitlab.com/lhya/sunsdusk/-/wikis/Books

[proven nymph]

[rough salmon]

So temperature near Dwemer Puzzle Box dungeon is funky again

[warm saddle]

That’s weird asf

[rotund epoch]

Lol

[rough salmon]

and now I have -100 degrees in any exterior

@warm saddle any clues?

[warm saddle]

Hmm

Did you travel to solstheim and then tp somewhere else?

Or hmm even in an interior and then going to an exterior you're getting that?

[rough salmon]

Nope

Just went inside and back

[rotund epoch]

Guess you will just die

[rough salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/mortalkombat-gif-10321232

I'll conquer that power

[proven nymph]

Obviously that’s intended and the mod has no bugs.

<closes ticket>

[rough salmon]

So I've rolled back to the save when I was in the Dwemer Puzzle Box dungeon, coc'ed to Balmora, South Wall Cornerclub, went outside and temperature fixed itself somehow

[warm saddle]

Weird

Started when you got near puzzle box?

[rough salmon]

First it started when I've crossed a bridge from Fort Moonmoth to the Puzzle Box dungeon

[warm saddle]

Yeah idk, I can't replicate it haha

[rough salmon]

[dense jewel]

how long does the tree appear again after i chop it off?

[warm saddle]

It doesn't reappear but you can disable trees despawning in the settings

[dense jewel]

ohh.. i though it would be reaper wkwk
i already cut them all down in seyda neen wkwk

[dense jewel]

so if i disabling this, does this mean the tree couldnt be farmed again?

[warm saddle]

You can farm it again when you load up the game again

[dense jewel]

ah i see, thanks

[proven nymph]

With this tree felled, the thread of prophecy is severed. Restore a saved game to restore the weave of fate, or persist in the doomed world you have created.

[rough salmon]

@warm saddle
There are some minor red/blue artifacts on the book arts. Try applying monochrome filter to them or something

Also cool art, looks really organic

[warm saddle]

Oh I see, that's very strange probably happened when I converted to dds and just didn't see

[warm saddle]

Thank u haha

There'll be more and there'll be some stuff that looks better, a lot of the book art and covers are super placeholder until i get the motivation to polish them a bit more and make the covers more unique

[rough salmon]

The text for wells got capitalization reversed somehow...

[warm saddle]

Yeah that has to do with the localisation file, I'll have to figure out something for that

It uhh is the same bit that adds the salt water and suspicious water text in the message boxes :') otherwise it would just be variable names

[rough salmon]

I'm also stuck with Dirty debuff, even though I've just washed

And Morning Lark too, even though I lost it maybe a day or two ago

[rotund epoch]

There are days when you cannot simply wash the dirt away. We've all been there, son... we've all been there...

[warm saddle]

Hmm that's definitely weird, I might not be able to replicate this but could you pull up logs? Set to trace for primary needs and either restart or reloadlua

[tepid sedge]

unfortunately the log in f10 only shows the last 100 messages, only the openmw.log in documents would show the full picture
i'll try to figure it out anyway

there's a chance that you ran into a different problem previously and your savedata for suns dusk was lost, in that case you might be stuck with it until you get the same buffs again

[rough salmon]

I've trimmed everything else + my logs were'nt clogged up

[rough salmon]

That's likely the case, since I have Glowing buff right now too

[warm saddle]

https://youtu.be/zOROaU2Rkkc 🥹

[hearty knot]

Oh wow, the person that made this video must be a real visionary

[vernal marsh]

Maybe a good workaround for not having bathhouses readily available would be to set a minimum cleanliness (and maybe thirst or whatever) when you pay for a room. It would abstract a lot of neat stuff though 🤔
Might give inns a pokecenter vibe

[half summit]

add "wash me" as a dialogue option

[hearty knot]

RDR2/KCD2 style bathhouses in Morrowind

5 levels of small talk, a dedicated Bathing skill, beast-race-specific tail/fur/scale washing mechanics, buyable bathhouses integrated into the Morrowind economy through PTR's stock exchanges, running your own bathhouse business, soap production, employment system. Become the lord of Bathenfell!

[warm saddle]

Oh that's a cool idea, like a complementary bath or something

🥹

[hearty knot]

It's one of those mods I don't want to give up, either. You just learn to rely on it

[rough salmon]

Really creative video 🧐

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/b0ssman419-arthur-morgan-arthur-morgan-bath-get-a-job-nope-im-playing-in-da-tub-gif-7905168166278491106

[proven nymph]

Just a little bit of scope creep 😂

Starts with a simple needs mod, end up with a feudal grand strategy simulator

[warm saddle]

I mean all of that is 100% doable haha just not by me

[hearty knot]

Thanks! I tried to make it a bit more involved than the usual "here's the list of features" mod showcase. Ultimately I ended up saying less than I wanted, partly because of the scope of the mod and partly because I had limited time to make the video.

If you or anyone else make a Morrowind mod you're proud of, feel free to request a video from me! If I'm interested in the mod, I'm happy to do it.

[rough salmon]

My mods are too small to be worth of an actual video <:

[hearty knot]

I kinda hope to become the go-to guy for PTR and OpenMW content

[half summit]

you have enough now that all together would make for a cool show

[rough salmon]

Probably, yeah

[half summit]

i had to make a special folder for it all

[hearty knot]

Especially if there's a common theme, it would make sense. Originally I wanted this video to be a showcase of various survival mods but the scope was too much.

[rough salmon]

Not gonna lie, it's a bit of a shame that there's only DarkElfGuy who is showcasing morrowind mods on youtube. I certainly get that it's a small niche, but still

[hearty knot]

Yep. For Skyrim you have many quality YouTubers. For Morrowind, there's really only DEG.

In terms of showcases

[rough salmon]

Why would you need old versions of Shelf Control :)

[half summit]

yeah id probably watch anyone doing it so im glad @hearty knot is putting some quality to it

[hearty knot]

I'm also a firm believer that if your content is good, you can help make a niche more popular.

[half summit]

i just havent cleaned it out yet

im working on my hoarding

i have 12 gb of mods now that i really want to delete but "what if its useful some day!

[rough salmon]

True, but niche is a niche and you probably can grow it only so big

[warm saddle]

I have an archive folder for those specifically haha

[rough salmon]

That's how I see it at least

[half summit]

yeah im gonna get a new ssd to house it probably 😭

[warm saddle]

Ehh I mean morrowind has been on the rise for the last year or so

[hearty knot]

Yeah. I don't expect to build a YouTube career on Morrowind content, but I'm happy with having a small, loyal following for now. I will probably end up expanding my horizons beyond Morrowind at some point.

[warm saddle]

The problem is that the only good mods these days are for openmw and people are still using Todd’s engine

[hearty knot]

Don't delay, SSD prices will be going up

[rough salmon]

I just think that you probably wouldn't be able to live just off the morrowind mod showcases. Good for hobby, but not as much for career

[warm saddle]

Oh yeah for sure though I think Savle is doing this as a hobby not a career choice haha

[rough salmon]

I'm not saying that this is wrong - just voicing the reason why there's basically no people in the niche

[hearty knot]

But actually, many RPG YouTubers build their initial following on something specific and then go wider. IIRC, Mortismal Gaming used to focus on Divinity lore, which was certainly a small niche, and now he's the go-to RPG guy.

I gained over 400 subscribers just from two videos about PTR. Those videos have definitely paid off.

And it's reasonable to assume that Morrowind fans like other RPGs as well. But of course, I need to tread lightly and not do any sudden pivots.

[rough salmon]

Actually there were no videos on the few latest OpenMW releases wink wink

[hearty knot]

You know, that is something I've considered. I'm just not sure I have the technical know how to do that coverage justice.

It's on my list of ideas. I have about 40 different ideas for videos right now, it's just a matter of deciding which ones to make first

[rough salmon]

Valid

[rotund epoch]

he seems to have slowed down. Probably busy with real-life things or exhausted. There are many interesting mods which could be showcased.

[rough salmon]

Yeah

[rotund epoch]

there are mods which I didn't download but would love to see in action

[rough salmon]

like chim2090

[rotund epoch]

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/57974?tab=description like this GOAT of a mod

[half summit]

ikr

i need to know

[rotund epoch]

peak

[rotund epoch]

I really like Mortismal's in-depth reviews. It's a pity that he cannot be relied upon when it comes to story. He is great when it comes to systems, mechanics etc. Then he says sth about the story and I know that it's slop and he is like: "so I found the storyline good and interesting"

😅

anyway, I think that there is definitely room for mod showcases on YT. This is Morrowind Modding Showcase channel in the last 6 months. There is a lot which is not covered here.

SHOP will soon reach 1.0. It's a big mod. Worthy of a showcase.

there is no showcase for Burglarly Overhaul

and the mod is actually massive for stealth playthroughs

there is this mod which is recent and looks great but not showcased yet https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/57944

multiple UI/mechanical mods can be showcased in one video if the video would be too short otherwise

@hearty knot if you want to do sth else than pure mod showcases, you can also do mod recommendations. For example, there is a tax mod for OMW which many folks don't know about. If you never played with that, it's a freaking game-changer. https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/53698

[ripe anvil]

Loved the video review of Sun Dusk

[hearty knot]

As far as I'm concerned, mod showcases and mod recommendations are the same genre 😄 I won't showcase mods I wouldn't recommend

[hearty knot]

Yeah, I think he's much more into the mechanics so if the story is "good enough for him", he lets it slide. I'm the opposite 😄

[warm saddle]

We’re at 1k unique downloads!! 🙏

[ripe anvil]

Nice

[hearty knot]

hell yeah

any spikes since I released the video or nah? 😄

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure, helps that the path of the incarnate modpack came out today too

[hearty knot]

oh that's right

haven't played that pack for like two years

[hearty knot]

Had the idea to post to the OpenMW subreddit as well. Upvote to spread the word 🫡 https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenMW/comments/1pw7kjp/morrowinds_best_survival_needs_mod_a_short/

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[rough salmon]

Is smelter supposed to be treated as lava?

[rough salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[untold lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[rotund epoch]

most important feature

[rough salmon]

Also there's two cookbooks in Arcane Watch mod. Dunno if it will come useful, but still

[rotund epoch]

btw are AFFA's recipes already implemented?

[rough salmon]

I don't think so

[rotund epoch]

guess that should come first

basically canon

[rotund epoch]

those recipes sound like sth you could do in real life

[warm saddle]

No, but lava_light is

[rough salmon]

Oh

[warm saddle]

No idea if it’s in the forge itself or if it’s a case of modders putting lava under the floor or something

[rough salmon]

it's likely the light source for the forge that authour added

[warm saddle]

Maybe the mages need a hot asf forge for something

Yeah, I think there might be a cell blacklist for lava but I’ll check later

[warm saddle]

I get so tired of the ashfall comparisons at this point

Not even sure what features I can add to get people to stop mentioning it

[rough salmon]

giant pop-up on the first startup that says "this is not an ashfall clone"

[rotund epoch]

How can you be surprised by them, though? The mods do mostly the same things... for the same game

[warm saddle]

Can you honestly say that after looking at the Ashfall UI?

I don’t think my widget has a single thing in common with it

Convenient that he can add stats to tooltips though but I’m cooking up something for that 👀

[rotund epoch]

I'm not even judging what's better. However, it's basically the same concept and many features have similar vibe even though the details are different ofc. Gameplay flow with woodcutting, campfires and cooking feel the same. The mods also have similar goals.

[warm saddle]

Not really because my goal is to keep it running on a Gameboy

Todd’s engine could never

But yeah nah my goals are very different from Ashfall’s

[rotund epoch]

If there was no MSWE/OMW split, it would be rather pointless to maintain both mods IMO. Since the split is a thing, well, there isn't even any choice . It's not that you can switch from Ashfall to OMW by installing the mod. You have to ditch MSWE .

[warm saddle]

1. Keep it as not invasive and lightweight as possible
2. Have no mod requirements
3. Be able to run it on a Gameboy
4. Keep it as performant as possible
5. Have a clean, beautiful and customisable UI
6. Make it as convenient as possible for other modders so that they don’t have to use an API to add patches
7. Add as many features as possible with those things in mind

I was shooketh when I saw that Ashfall replaces statics (fires at least)

[faint siren]

It should be noted that dependencies are not the devil.

[rotund epoch]

All of this is technical. Not gameplay-oriented.

[faint siren]

Mer uses them legitimately, and for good reason.

This mod would be objectively better with similar interop-able configuration. Those deps exist specifically to be reused.

[warm saddle]

Oh yeah for sure, I mean several of my mods have dependencies. I’m just thinking of my favourite mods which don’t have dependencies, but adding TD and OAAB means that it wouldn’t be able to run on potatoes

[faint siren]

Forcing people out of having an API also is... Well-intended, but not something people are interested in

I think the points of comparison really come from the idea that Ashfall is like, MWSE players' focal point keeping them on the engine now.

[warm saddle]

Well yeah I mean I’m adding an API but not forcing modders to use it in general. Like yeah having modders who are lua enjoyers is good but what about the niche mods that have like 509 downloads?

[faint siren]

Oh, yeah, nothing wrong with both.

[rotund epoch]

Ashfall description. A lot of this is like SD IMO with details being different. There is nothing wrong with this, though . I think it's just the nature of the mods we are talking about.

[warm saddle]

And yeah Ashfall has skills and crafting which I plan on adding eventually but it’s not even close to a priority since those other mods are optional

[faint siren]

It's so mature and well established, I've seen a lot of people say it's the only thing keeping them on vanilla. I think it's the spirit of the community trying to vibe out if we've actually killed vanilla or not.

[warm saddle]

Well, not having a click and drag UI is enough to ward me away from Todd’s engine

[faint siren]

They're totally the same mod, much in the same way S3maphore and MUSE are the same mod, and while I'm sure it annoys you as much as it does me, it just be like that.

[warm saddle]

Like Merlord has a great mod but I haven’t even looked at its code because it’s not something I’m even remotely trying to replicate

[faint siren]

Mer uses the API way too intimately, reading his code is largely a waste of time IMO.

Except that he's just legitimately really good at Lua and you could probably learn something from it

[warm saddle]

I think I read something that he’s contributed things to MWSE to make room for ashfall no?

Well yeah I mean this is the first gameplay mod I’ve ever made xD

[faint siren]

Huge chunks of MWSE literally just exist because mer went into the channel and said "hey I need X"

[warm saddle]

Yeah haha

[faint siren]

I can't say how much because Idunno, but I've witnessed it happen many times in front of me

[warm saddle]

Whereas openmw has everything I need if I wanted to duplicate ashfall

[rotund epoch]

I sort of admire your dedication here . At the same time, I can't understand why anybody would play without TD and OAAB. These are just modders' resource and so many other mods require them that it seems just weird to ignore TD/OAAB. It's not even TR. Plenty of Vvardenfell-only mods witg TD/OAAB dependency 🙂

[faint siren]

We really don't.

I'd love to say we do, but we don't, and the bits we're missing are the most fundamental aspects of the whole thing.

[warm saddle]

I think the only thing I was sus about was implementing the cold breaths but that’s because of bone stuff

But I’m not even sure because I haven’t even tried to do that

[faint siren]

Almost all of the mechanics are implemented with direct scenegraph interaction.

Cold breath would be easy.

Cooking? Impossible to replicate.

[warm saddle]

What, throwing something on a grill?

[rotund epoch]

maybe it's because Merlord has 2 million mod downloads 😄

[faint siren]

All the menus? Not happening. Coloring stuff to indicate it can or can't be placed? Also not happening.

[warm saddle]

I mean, has anyone replicated the Skyrim alchemy UI in Todd’s engine?

[faint siren]

Throwing something on a grill and cooking it based on its proximity to the fire node on the grill object and actively replacing the texture used on the mesh of the grilled item which also changes the content of its tooltip.

[rotund epoch]

Love SD UI btw

It's GOATed

feels so intuitive

[warm saddle]

It’s possible to do, just a lot of workarounds

[faint siren]

No.

[warm saddle]

Yes haha

[faint siren]

Doing something else is a different thing.

[warm saddle]

Being able to do it without replacing the fire static is what’s tricky though and why I probably won’t be able to replicate it

[faint siren]

But it's true there are places you can sidestep the exact implementation and it doesn't really matter.

[warm saddle]

Doing skills and crafting is also not possible without having those mod dependencies, just because I don’t want to recreate those APIs or overwrite them

[faint siren]

Cooking is a good example, he sets a decal texture, you can use animations, or switch gameObjects.

[rotund epoch]

That's true but with SD I think that the "but Ashfall" argument is now invalid. The mods are similar enough for that to be true. In fact, SD does some things better. Anyway, I understand when someone wants to play MSWE because of Joy of Painting or some stealth overhaul (although they don't have SHOP or Burglarly Overhaul) or Ultimate Fishing or other nice mod. "But Ashfall" is now outdated, though.

[warm saddle]

Well yeah but he’s not working with an API that duplicates Skyrim’s alchemy or uses a TSV

[faint siren]

For very, very, very, very good reasons.

And besides that... How is that even related?

We can't set decal textures. Idunno how TSVs fit into that.

[rotund epoch]

surprised we don't have that already... or maybe we do but I don't know about it

[faint siren]

I thought cold breath was a thing already tbh.

[warm saddle]

The API is there for it if someone wants to do it, as in the events are exposed for it

[rotund epoch]

I saw some old MW mods for Toddengine with cold breath

like

YEARS ago

[warm saddle]

Hardcoding recipes isn’t exactly as easy as a few hundred lines of code and he doesn’t need hundreds of templates to barely pseudo dehardcode magic

[rotund epoch]

so I guess that it was easier to do in Devilish Needs because of mwscript and no cooking "menu" but dialogue boxes/prompts

[warm saddle]

Anything I want to add to many ingredients also needs to be done through the TSV without losing my mind, which is fine because I can work my way around it easy enough

[faint siren]

That... Has ... What relation to setting decal textures ..?

[rotund epoch]

(AFFA recipes are implemented there)

[faint siren]

You can't change the texture on a piece of burnt meant.

[warm saddle]

I’d have to choose which ingredients to change texture/meshes of

[faint siren]

You can make a completely different one, but you can't just reach in and say "hey change this texture"

[warm saddle]

Well yeah I’d probably be replacing the static

[rotund epoch]

btw it is a very minor feature IMO

I mean in gameplay/immersion terms

it's not really essential

[warm saddle]

There might be some other workarounds but it’s not a feature I’m interested in adding because I don’t want to replace static fires

[faint siren]

It is, but clogging up people's saves with infinite gameObjects and generated records isn't a very minor issue to run into.

[warm saddle]

That’s what crafting does

And cooking

[faint siren]

Hence my very specific mentions of this exact thing.

Because I already knew you were doing that. There are not other options. 😛

[warm saddle]

But potions are also generated records

As are enchanted items

[faint siren]

All generated records consume space in the save.

It does not get special treatment due to having come from, or not having come from, a mod.

So in a perfect world, you really want to avoid generating records, and directly write properties, if you can.

[warm saddle]

Yeah, and there are plenty of mods out there that add way more generated records than I do

[rotund epoch]

I need to check how big the saves from my 100-300 hours long playthroughs are

[warm saddle]

Well, more generated records than I ever could

[faint siren]

Yeah, plenty of content suffers from the fact that records are not writable.

It's not like it is your fault. There are no other options. I'm describing a more efficient way to do it you can't even do ATM.

[warm saddle]

I have a save that’s like 300 mbs or something I think at this point haha

[faint siren]

I've had dudes send me 500MB save files before and ask why. For sure.

[warm saddle]

That was the size before I even made this mod btw

[rotund epoch]

Guess I will remove the old saves which are useless now, anyway

old characters

[warm saddle]

But yeah like there are many features ashfall has that I’ll never add, not because it’s impossible but because I straight up don’t care enough to

But there are many features I have that Ashfall will never have

[vernal marsh]

(Lively Map will explode save size by a very large amount 😅)

[warm saddle]

Bring it on

[vernal marsh]

Need some way to purge generated records

[faint siren]

I'm just saying, take it from the OpenMW MUSE guy that you will have to live with these comparisons whether you like them or not 😄

[warm saddle]

Haha yeah that’s true I guess

Oh yeah, openmw will be getting a UI for audiobooks

[faint siren]

I frankly get a little insulted having my mod compared to MUSE, but if I go around ahskewally-ing people about it, you know ...

[warm saddle]

Might be able to get a UI for your mod too tbh

[rotund epoch]

cool breath seems like a small but cool thing. Not important but nice to have. Seems more like a visual feature, though. I mean, sth that you don't need a survival/camping mod for. Could even be a separate mod.

[warm saddle]

Yeah someone could probably make a separate mod for it with less than 500 lines of code

[warm saddle]

You can have my buttons for the UI if you want

[faint siren]

I would never reuse anybody's UI code. It's far and away the most fun part of the API!

[rotund epoch]

Fresh Loot is much better overall than DRIP when it comes to item distribution, balance, modifier matching etc. but if somebody knew DRIP before switching to OMW or looking up FL, I guess that FL will be "DRIP for OMW" 😄

[faint siren]

It's like little tizzy Lego bricks.

[warm saddle]

Could we have a UI then? It would be cool to queue up songs in a playlist

You can do that with audiobooks now

[rotund epoch]

"now". What do I need to install, then?

[warm saddle]

Whenever I decide to upload it or give it to eddy

[faint siren]

I've considered it but after all the extreme lengths I went to in order to make it as humanly easy as possible to make playlists and still being met with "I am not a coder, I can't make playlists" I'm kinda not interested

Maybe tho.

[warm saddle]

That’s true tbh but all someone would need to do is add a song to the UI is write the length of it, and that’s just for the bar

[faint siren]

The length?

No, no, none of that workaround track length bullshit here.

Just the path.

[rotund epoch]

btw I just looked at Merlord's mod repository... is the guy responsible for like.... 75% of all impressive MSWE mods?

[warm saddle]

Well then you could do a UI without a bar then probably haha

[warm saddle]

Pretty much

[faint siren]

Yes.

[rotund epoch]

impressive

most impressive

[warm saddle]

If there’s an API, it’s Merlord’s

[rotund epoch]

haha

[faint siren]

I feel like people glaze him a bit too much but tbh he really has earned it.

[warm saddle]

Oh yeah nah he’s crazy impressive

Like operating on a completely different level

[faint siren]

He's just some dude from New Zealand. Shockingly normal. Nice fella.

[rotund epoch]

well, yeah, sure

[warm saddle]

Ikr haha

[rotund epoch]

I mean, what would you expect?

an institution?

[warm saddle]

But at least I don’t have to deal with hardcoded TR regions

[half summit]

a unit

[rotund epoch]

absolute unit?

[faint siren]

I've noticed Mer seems to mostly be focusing on his independent projects lately, which is really cool.

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure

[half summit]

making games?

[faint siren]

He still shows up for competitions like the WWE bringing out old wrestlers tho. I love it.

[rotund epoch]

but yeah, if somebody has Ashfall, Joy of Painting, Crafting Framework, Character Backgrounds, Skoomaesthesia, Realistic Repair, Ultimate Fishing, DRIP, Quick Loadouts, Chargen Scenarios and other mods in this repository... then I have to wonder what other MSWE modders are doing

[faint siren]

Yeah he has this really cool dungeon crawler in godot that's all based on echolocation. It's nuts.

[half summit]

haha cool, I bet that's dope

[warm saddle]

Using mwscript probably

[rotund epoch]

what I mean is that almost awesome mod for MSWE I know is his, lol

[faint siren]

You also have axemag's mods but nobody knows how they work.

I'm not convinced that he does, most days.

[rough salmon]

Having a blast playing his mods 🧐

[faint siren]

My MWSE setup started committing seppuku within about 15 minutes due to, quote, "undebuggable menu pointer crashes"

Didn't last too long.

[warm saddle]

Average vanilla interaction with Todd’s engine

In any game

[rotund epoch]

we also have some universal content modders. I mean, seelof is THE dungeon master

[warm saddle]

But yeah next update will have an API or at least the foundation for your Starwind module that I’ll just pass along for you to maintain haha

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/here-catch-hot-potato-take-it-tom-morris-jr-gif-16380298

[warm saddle]

Well I’ll have to test that everything is working as intended haha, Starwind is a test in itself

Not sure if you can do the water vectors in a fake exterior either but we’ll see

[faint siren]

BTW I didn't just completely fuck off on that but I had to go on a "totally new website design" side quest.

[warm saddle]

No haha it’s totally understandable, I also didn’t completely fuck off I’ve just been procrastinating on some of the refactoring I’ll have to do

[warm saddle]

Starting with the TSV probably unless you want to become a fellow spreadsheet enjoyer

[warm saddle]

Hey one thing I can say is that Ashfall doesn’t have any spreadsheets or maps behind it

Hits my autistic brain different

[rotund epoch]

but on a more serious note, I watched some Let's Plays on MSWE and the streams lasted a few hours without crashing so Toddengine isn't crashing all the time

[warm saddle]

But yeah I mean it’s a great mod and if I used Todd’s engine this mod wouldn’t be necessary at all probably, it’s just not what I’m going for at all

And rip that you have to deal with MUSE comparisons 💀

[rotund epoch]

OMW is da future

[warm saddle]

A UI you can click and drag

Think I’ll be adding an armor stat thing near the doll so that you can see your heat/cold/set resistance too

But I’m kinda hyped for the religion thing I’m working on

[rotund epoch]

that's not SD, though 😉

[warm saddle]

No but it’ll be using SD’s API

Unless y’all want another mod that has a raycast onFrame and attaches a script to every actor

Nah I don’t think it’s that bad haha

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-awkward-awkward-dog-staring-dog-patchibana-gif-2489682387183596147

[warm saddle]

But the worst performance I’ve ever gotten was in the provincial bath shoppe which has like 400 items around that each have a tooltip when hovering over them

Lua sync jumped from 2 to 2.5 or something

Rip starwind though 💀 there’ll be some refactoring for that

But that performance problem isn’t something unique to this mod

[hearty knot]

Did someone say OpenMW UI? I'm a sucker for good UI

[warm saddle]

Same

Very thankful that the click + drag and whatnot is becoming standard for new mods

[half summit]

I'm super hyped for this

[warm saddle]

I’m hoping to release something before new year’s even if it’s super basic

Tbh the biggest problem I have rn is deciding if I want to attach the icon to the Sun’s dusk widget or if I want it to be floaty

[rotund epoch]

ah, yes

[hearty knot]

I'm just glad for the custom UI layouts. There is nothing more off putting than an amazing mod using the default textboxes for everything.

[warm saddle]

I might end up found an option for either but that would delay the release haha

[warm saddle]

Ikr haha

Drives me crazy

[rotund epoch]

UI modding for OMW is good now. Stats Window Extender was a milestone I've been waiting for.

[hearty knot]

Like, I really wanted to like the Skyrim spell research mod, but going through 5 consecutive textboxes is not my idea of immersive gameplay

[warm saddle]

Hahaha yeah for sure, I mean I don’t mind having to go through menus but my brother is the same way and hates them

[hearty knot]

I'm a firm believer in the 80/20 rule. Presentation is the 80% that you really need to get right

[warm saddle]

That’s why I try to do tooltips in the world as much as possible, even if it’s a microscopic performance hit at least it’s keeping you away from menus

[rotund epoch]

I don't mind if they are done well and not too annoying

[warm saddle]

Yeah but there’s a fine line between clicking through a menu or two and clicking through enough menus to rival a JRPG

[rotund epoch]

guess that it gets annoing if there are too many of them

so if you have 10 mods using text boxes or sth

then yeah

[hearty knot]

When you boil it down, all you ever do in the UI is click stuff. But how you make it look makes a world of difference

[rotund epoch]

sure

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure

[rotund epoch]

I mean, half of SD power is the UI, right?

[warm saddle]

That’s also the philosophy behind the cooking UI, ultimately it’s just clicking some buttons but we tried to make it as interactive and immersive as possible

[rotund epoch]

cooking would be garbage with text boxes

it would need to be redesigned

you cannot do it the SD-way

with text boxes

[warm saddle]

If I spent even half the time I’ve spent on UI, you’d have an exact Ashfall port

I’d say it’s a good tradeoff

[warm saddle]

Skyrim alchemy style

You’ll even get alchemy cooking recipes like notes to track down too btw 👀

I loved finding those

[rotund epoch]

Where? In the dungeons? Lol

[warm saddle]

No, from merchants

There were different ones in different loot tables

[half summit]

yeah fr. dungeon denizens used to eat too

monster cake

[warm saddle]

Although I want to make an API for people to make their own recipes and notes too

[hearty knot]

Actually, off topic, but is there a mod that makes it so that eating an ingredient actually reveals the first effect in the UI when you hover over the item? Because in vanilla, you see the effect, but it doesn't actually show it in the item UI

It's based entirely on your alchemy skill, I think

[warm saddle]

Yeah it is

Maybe a mod could fake reveal it or something but yeah I agree that it’s annoying

I miss that about Skyrim too

[warm saddle]

To do it you’d probably want to increase your alchemy skill to 100+ or something temporarily when you consume an item

That’s how I’d try to go about it at least

[hearty knot]

I don't know, that sounds kind of hacky

[warm saddle]

Well yeah it’s a workaround haha, there might be a better method but that’s the first thing that comes to mind

[half summit]

you could see the effect and write it down on a piece of paper 🤷

[warm saddle]

We do something similar for sleeping with Sun’s dusk btw

Well kinda indirectly

[rough salmon]

better method would be having lua tooltips

[hearty knot]

I could but... inconvenient. Especially when the game does show most other information

[warm saddle]

I want them so bad

Quickloot will be adding tooltips with Sun’s dusk info btw 👀

Like resistance and food values

[rough salmon]

Skyrim is objectively better at alchemy there

[warm saddle]

I kinda like some things about the Morrowind alchemy, like not having to farm giant’s toes and wheat

[half summit]

yeah they nailed alchemy, I loved the feeling 9f experimenting

[vernal marsh]

I had to do custom tooltips for one stick. Should have kept going and split it into a different mod

[hearty knot]

where's the nirnroot tho

[half summit]

doesn't grow in the ash

[warm saddle]

Tamriel Data + https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/42009

It’s funny as fuck

[vernal marsh]

Tooltips are really not that hard except for enchantments

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure, but recreating the inventory UI is

[rough salmon]

It's so abundant that you can't even perceive it

[half summit]

like tinitus

[rough salmon]

At least that's the most interesting theory I heard

[hearty knot]

M'aiq has heard that nirnroot grows everywhere. In fact, the ground is made of tiny nirnroot.

[rough salmon]

Lines up perfectly. It likes Red Mountain ash a lot

[hearty knot]

You know, I've never actually met M'aiq in Morrowind. Not once.

[rough salmon]

I found him on mainland earlier than on Vvardenfell

[warm saddle]

Broke: porting skyrim to Morrowind
Woke: porting Morrowind to skyrim
Bespoke: porting Morrowind mods to Skyrim
Baroque: porting skyrim mods to Morrowind

Nah haha I love them all

[half summit]

yeah me neither. I want to find him organically, managed to avoid finding out where he is

[warm saddle]

Think I did too

Old Ebonheart or something I think

[half summit]

oh thanks

[rough salmon]

Cool vid
https://youtu.be/9T2xUE3PBs8?si=-RWZWftSnTfUBtFP

[hearty knot]

How's recreating Morrowind in Skyrim sound. There's no porting there!

[warm saddle]

True haha I thought it was a port/mod but didn’t realise it’s like a separate engine, makes total sense though

[rough salmon]

Nope, definitely on an island of sorts

[warm saddle]

I was kinda relieved about that tbh since it means you’re able to implement more Morrowind features like spellcrafting

[hearty knot]

All the Skywind assets are 100% original, baby! I know it because I see our talented artists come up with them daily.

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure, it’s mad impressive

[rough salmon]

They weren't able to do it with Skyblivion though

[warm saddle]

One can only hope someone creates a survival mod for Skywind as dope as this mod

[half summit]

beyond skyrim morrowind actually looks pretty cool

[hearty knot]

Man, I really hope so

[rough salmon]

At least to finish it. Since the code is closed-source and developer vanished

[hearty knot]

Unfortunately that happens

[warm saddle]

Yeah I hope Skywind holds up

But the team seem super chill so I can’t see that happening

[hearty knot]

It's pretty good. Take it from me 😄 The team are some of the nicest folks I've ever met

[rough salmon]

I'm surprised they didn't have any releases since Bruma (which is like 2017 or smth)

And yet they work on multiple provinces at the same time

[half summit]

yeah they said they will start doing smaller releases more regular appearantly

[hearty knot]

Yeah, I gotta say, I don't really understand that way to organize the process. Being volunteer projects, everyone is free to work on what they're interested in, but unfortunately that also means that the efforts are split.

[rough salmon]

Maybe they have such an abundance of people, but comparing it to TR's approach it's a little weird and concerning

[half summit]

going region by region. but its just the sheogorad so far. it looks great but we'll see how the rest goes

[warm saddle]

Maybe it TR is a different beast

[hearty knot]

I see how much effort it takes to bring just Vvardenfell to life, even when it's based on an existing game. Releasing a full BS province seems completely crazy to me, but god, I hope they can pull it off.

The addition of voice acting complicates so many things as well.

[half summit]

I want all those talented devs to quit and come work on PTR

[warm saddle]

It’ll probably get easier though since the assets and “templates” will be there at least

[rough salmon]

Hearing BS' progress in their latest video, they should have A LOT of asset makers and writers

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure 💀

[rough salmon]

Maybe that sounds impressive since it's 8 years of work there, but still

[hearty knot]

That's the thing though, BS is not really a project. It's an umbrella term for many projects.

They need so many people

[warm saddle]

But yeah maybe I’ll port this mod to Skywind when the time comes

Never made a skyrim mod and ownlyme hates python

[rough salmon]

Makes TR sound smaller in manpower 🤔

[warm saddle]

Oh it is

[rotund epoch]

If BS = bullshit, it all makes sense now

[hearty knot]

I sincerely hope someone capable like JaySerpa puts in the effort to make Skyblivion/Skywind mods.

[hearty knot]

I know you're just making a joke, but I would never say that about our fellow modders. I know how hard they work and I know how talented they are. Mad props to them.

[warm saddle]

I like iNeeds a LOT but not having heat resistance with survival + frostfall would be brutal

[rough salmon]

Whozzat

[rotund epoch]

By far the biggest constraint. TR would never happen if VA was required to maintain high quality.

[hearty knot]

educate yourself! one of the most established and accomplished Skyrim modders, specializing in quest expensions and small mechanic additions

also the author of the best Collection by far

[warm saddle]

Fortunately there is https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/56488

[half summit]

yeah i remember getting stuck halfway to winterhold because I literally couldn't survive the walk

[warm saddle]

Throat of the world 💀

[warm saddle]

But yeah that’s kinda what I’m trying to avoid with this mod haha

Also the vampire shit not working

[half summit]

should still be possible without prep though. like I died on the boat to dagon fel because all I had was shorts and a teeshirt

[rough salmon]

I'm a Morrowind guy, not a Skyrim guy

[warm saddle]

Haha yeah at least I have the tools to deal with that, like spamming soup + fire shield

[hearty knot]

Yep. I'm actually amazed at how well our people at Skywind are pulling it off. VA is not our bottleneck, which is pretty crazy considering the amount of lines

[warm saddle]

Yeah I think I saw that all the dialogue is done ?

[hearty knot]

I know, I know. But JaySerpa is a name to be respected! 😄

[warm saddle]

Oh but unrelated to anything, of someone wants to make templates or find meshes for cooking recipes I’d be more than happy to pivot towards working on refactoring the cooking API

[hearty knot]

Well, most VAs have finished recording their lines or are in the latter stages of recording. VA mixing is another beast, I won't pretend to understand what's going on there. But the progress charts look good to me 😄 And we've cast every single character, which is quite a feat for a game with 3000 NPCs (we have about 300 VAs)

[warm saddle]

Damn that’s wild

Will the translations have VAs? Or do you have something else planned for that

[hearty knot]

Translation is text only

It's enough work even then 😄

[warm saddle]

Gotcha

Yeah for sure haha

[half summit]

wow bgs just has the 8 or so

[hearty knot]

I myself spent over a year translating the game into my language, lol

[warm saddle]

Very blessed

[hearty knot]

Never again

😄

[warm saddle]

Understandable haha

[hearty knot]

But we always need more 3D artists, animators, LDs etc. Making all the different robes from Morrowind is not sexy, but if we want to be an actual remake, we need all of them.

[rough salmon]

I want to update my mods and maybe look into making a perk pack

I want to tackle the perk potential

[warm saddle]

@half summit @rotund epoch @sour leaf btw if y’all are interested in the cooking stuff, I think the expanded loot: food has open perms as does NoM stuff
If y’all want to find meshes that you think look good/fit the vanilla aesthetic, you can pass em my way
I can also show you how to make templates in the CS which will help speed things along since those take me some time to do not because it’s difficult but bc I try to be mindful and critical of balance haha

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure, a lot of your mods would be great as perks like backstab

[rotund epoch]

Not interested. Fully voiced MW doesn't even sound good as MW dialogue was clearly not written with this in mind. Even less likely to make it sound good with AI.

[warm saddle]

I plan on doing something like backstabs for one of the religion things which is basically a ton of perks

Unfortunately the perk API is useless for what I’m trying to do although someone could make perks for the religion mod

[rough salmon]

I suppose 🧐

[warm saddle]

Being a devout follower of boethiah gives you invisibility + extra backstab damage

Doing just a sneak attack is fine but you also already have a mod that does that haha

[rough salmon]

Problem with using my mods as dependencies is that they're so customizable, it'd be hard to do something curated/balanced with them

At least it seems to me this way

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure, this wouldn’t be customisable just a flat damage increase

[hearty knot]

Guy has an insane portfolio honestly 😄 https://www.nexusmods.com/profile/jayserpa/mods 43M unique downloads Must be practically running Nexus Mods at this point

[warm saddle]

Obviously your mod is better, mine just gives you the invisibility with it for (kinda) free

[rough salmon]

besides, they're quite modular and can be just taken apart by anyone

[warm saddle]

Stress and fear 💀

I love it

[rough salmon]

Rises just inside the Red Mountain region or in Sixth House's bases

[knotty cedar]

Or near Crassius Curio

[rough salmon]

Nah, he's just a heat source

Maybe wetness too

[warm saddle]

Lmaoooo

Increased wetness near curio

I love it

Ownlyme will hate it

[rough salmon]

[warm saddle]

Oh but yeah @rotund epoch if you want to help speed cooking along, I can give you a list of the items/meshes I’d want to check out

[rotund epoch]

BTW I'm very impressed with many mods. OMW modding is super impressive. Skyrim modding as well. Sometimes even more so because of stuff like functional seasons which is crazy when you think about it. Many great mods. However, mods are also like anything else, i.e. they vary in quality a lot. If something causes crashes, it's bad and should be fixed. When I see another big boobs anime girl mod for Skyrim, I call that trash and don't care that somebody spent a lot of time doing it . It's an opinion, after all. Mods are not mandatory so I don't have to use the trashy ones .

[hearty knot]

Oh it's so fun to play with. Please take inspiration from this guy. He won't mind, he has never played Morrowind 😄

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure, I mean most of his mods are must haves for my playthroughs

[hearty knot]

I asked him once and he's waiting for Skywind 😄 Not what I would do, but hey, I guess he is our target audience.

[rotund epoch]

what would you need?

[warm saddle]

It’s almost time for my annual skyrim run too 💀 I’ve been trying to put it off but I’ve been getting the itch

[hearty knot]

Yeah, the BS teams are definitely not your typical big boobs mod creators 😄 A complex project like this is something unlike anything else

[warm saddle]

Basically I want screenshots/images or names of food items that have good meshes
By “good” I mean items that fit with the vanilla aesthetic
Expanded loot - food and NoM have open perms I think so those are the assets I’d be looking at

[rotund epoch]

yeah, it's always exciting to see what new popular Skyrim mods were crea---- ok, nevermind

[warm saddle]

Either that or a list of recipes or potential recipes and their spell effects, I can throw ingredients together no problem but thinking of balancing spell effects gives me nightmares

Like “this AFFresh recipe should have restore stamina + restore health” or something although obviously they should be better than that

[rotund epoch]

I may be able to help but only in January. No PC access in December . Don't know how it fits your plans. I don't want to slow you down but I know that you also have a lot on your plate, lol.

[warm saddle]

The current cooking spell effects will be getting a rework too although that’s easy for me to do

[warm saddle]

No prob haha even if you just want to look at recipes and come up with spell effects it would save me a ton of time

[rotund epoch]

that I can do even with no PC access

[warm saddle]

Very blessed

[rotund epoch]

so I will take a look

give you ideas

with a list

[warm saddle]

And don’t worry about fitting them in with the current cooking system, just come up with cool immersive stuff and I’ll rework cooking around it

[rotund epoch]

ok

https://tenor.com/view/let-us-cook-let-me-cook-lets-cook-cooking-walter-white-gif-2649071825756414039

[warm saddle]

The magnitudes and whatnot of cooking will be reworked as well so that you get less restore health + stamina and more elemental resistances n shit

So less op

[rotund epoch]

with 0.1 mult or whatever it was, I don't find cooking OP

default - yeah, OP

unless you changed it

[warm saddle]

Haha yeah but I’ll be changing that with the cooking rework

I think I mostly made it op to introduce it to people since it’s unlike any cooking Morrowind has seen

You have the link to AFFresh recipes ?

[rotund epoch]

hmm, wait a sec

[warm saddle]

I can grab it for you

[rotund epoch]

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind_Mod:AFFresh/Rithleen's_Recipes

here

[warm saddle]

But yeah these recipes and other recipes will be good, like I have a “sausage, egg and cheese” planned

[rough salmon]

Cant wait for dreugh fried saltrice

[rotund epoch]

ah, yes. Grandma's ashes always make everything taste delicious 😋

[rough salmon]

We call it a "special ingredient"

[rotund epoch]

btw AFFA was kind enough to write stuff like this:

[rough salmon]

One bonemeal a day keep doctors away

[rotund epoch]

this has potential

we can do cool stuff here

[warm saddle]

But yeah if you want to come up with a list of ingredients from vanilla/TD that would be great, it’ll basically be like “if you cook with several of these ingredients you’ll get this food”

[warm saddle]

Very blessed

NoM/Uvirith’s legacy has some cool stuff too

But I’d probably do that myself haha

[rotund epoch]

btw what's your plan for the no of ingredients? 3 per recipe? Interchangeable?

[warm saddle]

Probably 3 or 4 yeah

[rotund epoch]

because AFFA obv didn't concern himself with such restrictions

ok

[warm saddle]

I might be able to do more than that but I feel like 3 or 4 is good enough for gameplay, probably 4 to really recreate Skyrim’s alchemy

[rotund epoch]

3 is fine tbh

there is already a good variety here

and we can do variants

[warm saddle]

Yeah especially with the spell effects I put on things haha

Yeah for sure, thank you for the help btw

[rotund epoch]

for example, this stuff can be interchangeable but we can also go extra mile and create separate effects if you use different ingredients for even more variety, lol

[warm saddle]

To start off with I’d probably just have the same effects

[rotund epoch]

sure, sure

[warm saddle]

It’s tricky enough without dehardcoded magic 💀

[rotund epoch]

yeah...

[warm saddle]

But we made it work

Jsons my beloved

[rotund epoch]

I'm so glad AFFA bothered to make this mod btw

years after the game was released

lol

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure, it’s a cool mod

Idk why people have problems with it, it quite literally could’ve shipped off with the original game

[rotund epoch]

problems? lol

it literally feels like Vanilla

[warm saddle]

Yeah there are some unpleasant comments on that mod page

[rotund epoch]

lol

[warm saddle]

People forget what vanilla looks like

But that’s nexus comments for ya

[rotund epoch]

these quests are as Vanilla-friendly as we can get

[warm saddle]

Ikr

[rough salmon]

Personally, it has some highlights, but in general I don't vibe with it's (and vanilla too) quests that are grounded to the point of boredom :/

Plus those quests which U liked, I've finished like multiple times already

[warm saddle]

Understandable haha, vanilla quests can feel underwhelming compared to TR

But that’s not so much of a problem with the mod as just vanilla gameplay

[rough salmon]

Yes

[warm saddle]

(Also understandable)

[rough salmon]

And it was fun

Maybe for the first time

[warm saddle]

Which is why out cfgs are thicc

[rotund epoch]

well, none of these quests are mandatory

[rough salmon]

Yup

[rotund epoch]

but none of them also feel like they don't belong in the game

and omg

this is a problem with many mods

[rough salmon]

But when you never feel like playing any of those, what's the point of keeping it in the modlist

[warm saddle]

For the vibes

But yeah understandable

[rotund epoch]

you have 800 mods in your modlist. Are you saying that you are always using all of these mods? 😄

because somehow I doubt it

I bet that half of them are not even used in a playthrough

realistically

[warm saddle]

When half of them are bug fixes and textures/meshes, yes

[rough salmon]

True, but

[warm saddle]

We’re also always trying to cut them down

[rough salmon]

But I'm struggling articulating why it's different xd

[rotund epoch]

obv it depends on the playstyle but I usually I do like... what... sth like 2 faction questlines... some misc quests... MQ only some of the time...

so a lot of the content is never "used" in-game

during a playthrough

and it's fine

unless, you know

it's a performance heavy mod

or sth

[warm saddle]

We’re always trying to cut down on mods we don’t need

[rotund epoch]

I don't use Bardcraft when I know that my character isn't a bard and will never become a bard, for example

it's still a great mod

[rotund epoch]

I wanted to install 5-10 interesting quest mods I found but then figured that I will probably not even play them during a playthrough, so lol, they can wait.

[rough salmon]

I've disabled it recently too

[rotund epoch]

makes sense

[warm saddle]

I hoard them haha

[rough salmon]

I will finish Clockwork City this playthrough!!!

And I will do it with my trusty living weapon and armor companions!!!

[rotund epoch]

sure, sure

[warm saddle]

And forget I download them and have to reinstall them

[warm saddle]

Very blessed

[rough salmon]

It's funny we have like 3 of them by now

[rotund epoch]

I never found any of them

and I know that 1 of those mods is part of the EV

[rough salmon]

And you can make out with one of them

[warm saddle]

I want to finish the main quest finally too but I wanted to get set on fire when I climb red mountain
Now I want to be a champion of Sotha Sil

[rough salmon]

Blademeister
The Hand
Crotalus Companion Gauntlet

[rotund epoch]

Baldemeister is part of EV for sure

but I never checked where it is

if I don't find it organically

I never will and that's good

[rough salmon]

Though the can be considered not too balanced

[warm saddle]

I wanted to try Caswyn

[rough salmon]

Knowing where it is
You'll likely never find it as a seasoned player

[rotund epoch]

I'm fine with this

I don't tend to use walkthroughs and such

[rough salmon]

Please wait for Friendlier Fire spell update. His shock spells really hurt the last time I played with him

[warm saddle]

Skill issue

(Jk)

[rough salmon]

Though I think GlitterGear nerfed it after my comment

[warm saddle]

I’m accustomed to Bethesda’s companions at this point

[sour leaf]

I’d be down once I’m
Home

[warm saddle]

I only play with them and have put in hundreds of hours, playing with companions is how I nerf my game and make it unnecessarily difficult

[rough salmon]

Don't companions like
Trivialize the game?

[rotund epoch]

Morrowind has so much content (esp when it's modded) that I never even try to be a completionist during a single playthrough. The game doesn't work super well during those uber-long playthroughs when you have lvl 70, anyway.

[warm saddle]

I just hate when they attack and kill each other

[warm saddle]

Idk, I like dressing them up and stuff

[rough salmon]

They do that?

[warm saddle]

Chilling in inns

[warm saddle]

Yeah …

[rough salmon]

Should I be concerned?

(as a Friendlier Fire dev)

[warm saddle]

I recommend making a 100 harmony spell or be prepared to use setfight 30 console commands

[rotund epoch]

with what? If somebody dies, you take their stuff

[rough salmon]

Companion Share:

[rotund epoch]

oh, sure, it's sharing...

[warm saddle]

Nah idk if there’s anything you can do to prevent them from attacking each other

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-fat-thor-thor-odinson-godof-thunder-thunderer-gif-14341833

[rough salmon]

Uhhhh, easily?

[warm saddle]

Can you?

🙏

[rough salmon]

I'll try it at least

[rotund epoch]

why do they even attack each other?

[warm saddle]

They aggro each other

[rotund epoch]

they are NPCs

[warm saddle]

Yeah

[rough salmon]

By using magic?

[rotund epoch]

NPCs don't really fight each other

unless scripted

[warm saddle]

Yes they do

[rotund epoch]

in vanilla?

when?

you can be attacked by a DB assassin and nothing will happen

nobody will react

bandits or cultists may follow you to Balmora

nobody will attack them

because they are not creatures

[warm saddle]

It’s not vanilla behaviour I don’t think but mods that add NPCs or change NPC behaviour will

Like guards helping attack DB assassins or dreamers

Things like that

[rotund epoch]

ekhm

do you

by any chance

use Protective Guards

or sth similar

?

[warm saddle]

Yeah

[rotund epoch]

then you have the answer

[warm saddle]

But I don’t think that has anything to do with the companion AI

No idea what causes that tbh but it’s annoying

[rough salmon]

How do I recreate it?

[warm saddle]

Happens in Skyrim too so I just assumed it was Bethesda NPC behaviour

[rotund epoch]

in Skyrim they just make followers essential

[rough salmon]

Because they physically can't hurt each other with melee 🧐

[warm saddle]

I give Aryon a ring that has an AOE paralyse spell and when he casts it, it hits my melee companion and they aggro each other

[rough salmon]

Maybe even ranged

[rough salmon]

Ah well. There you go

[warm saddle]

You could probably do it other ways but that’s how it happens consistently to me

[rough salmon]

Spells should aggro them. I think

[warm saddle]

Friendly fire

[rough salmon]

The question is - how do I replicate it for testing 🧐

[rotund epoch]

btw free pro tip: if you have a follower, esp during an escort quest, do not use AOE spells against enemies with Reflect. You will regret it. Believe me

[warm saddle]

But yeah I get around it with a harmony spell but in general having a ranged companion and melee companion is the easiest way to replicate it

[warm saddle]

Set an enemy’s health to 100000 and strength to like 1 and aggro it with the melee + ranged companion like I described

Idk what mod causes them to aggro each other though or if it’s a mod that causes that

I have a list of my mods that change NPC behaviour that I can give you but I have a feeling you have most of them

Did that code for spells end up working out btw?

Or at least give you a place to start

[rotund epoch]

@warm saddle I can do sth like this for all recipes. Name, 3 ingredient types (with interchangeable ones based on recipe), effect if noted in dialogue/recipe itself and then my in-game effects suggestions

[sour leaf]

I saw a video on Twitter that looked like a completely different game until I saw the Skyrim compass at the top and realized what it was

[rotund epoch]

ha ha, I saw a comment like that once. It was sth like: "It's funny because I thought that I know Skyrim but the only thing I recognise is the UI..."

btw have you seen this recipe?

it's a local hit

[warm saddle]

Yeah sure that’s fine, either this or straight up just a doc that’s a chart or list

Spreadsheet would make it easier for me to filter tho 🧐

[rough salmon]

Haven't tested it yet
Maybe will give it a spin tomorrow

[warm saddle]

A mod with 2 spreadsheets

3 I guess

[rotund epoch]

haha

[gloomy mango]

This is doubly important for the mod page imo. I see SO many amazing mods go under the radar due to poor "marketing" so to speak.

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure, that’s why I put so much effort into mine haha

Eventually I’ll trim it a little when I add the wiki but I’m happy with it for now

[rotund epoch]

it's even worse when you aren't sure what the mod is doing

[rotund epoch]

I'm sure that water on Vvardenfell would taste better if people shat in the Odai less .

[warm saddle]

Should I add a setting to make that region have suspicious water ?

[rotund epoch]

it would be funny, I admit

but that recipe actually gave me an idea about getting disease from some water sources (RNG-based and affected by resistance)

it's also funny because that recipe also described water purification process

[warm saddle]

Hmm I think I can do that relatively easily

I think I was debating on that but I feel like the poison or magicka regain based on luck is funnier

[rotund epoch]

you already have various effects for various water types

[rotund epoch]

you can do all of it

additional effect

not replacing current ones

[warm saddle]

Getting a disease would tip the balance towards negatives more than buffs and I want it to be even

[rotund epoch]

you can make the chance low or adjust the chance of beneficial effects to make it "even"

[warm saddle]

So if you can think of a buff that’s equally good as getting a random disease I’m fine with that I think xD

Maybe cure disease idk

[rapid valve]

What do you mean play it on a gameboy? You want to make it work with the gameboy morrowind game on itch.io?

[warm saddle]

1% chance to get Almsivi restoration

[rotund epoch]

random resist disease effect just because you survived sus water lol

[warm saddle]

It can already work on a Gameboy with portmaster I believe

[rapid valve]

A gameboy?

[warm saddle]

Yeah

[rapid valve]

This?

[rotund epoch]

haha

[warm saddle]

GBA

[rotund epoch]

well, I refer to all things like Nintendo Switch etc. as Gameboys

[warm saddle]

#general message

[astral mauve]

blurpblurp

You'll pry this from my dead hands

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[rapid valve]

so you mean switch?

[rotund epoch]

it's sort of a joke

so I guess it's the same here

[rapid valve]

right

[rotund epoch]

toys

[rapid valve]

yeah that's some android handheld

[warm saddle]

Pretty sure it’s a Gameboy but it’s not mine so idk xD

[rapid valve]

It's not

it's something similar to this

https://anbernic.com/products/rg34xxsp

[warm saddle]

It belongs to @vernal marsh, sorry to ping haha but she knows more about it that I do

But yeah the goal is to keep my mod running on it

[faint siren]

They're not gameboys, they just look like them.

I have the 35XXH. It's great.

[little haven]

that thing has 2gb of ram

[faint siren]

Mine has 1.

[rapid valve]

yeah real GBA had 32 KB RAM apparently

[little haven]

you run openmw on it?

[vernal marsh]

Yeah

[little haven]

tbf 1gb in 2025 is heirloom quantity

[vernal marsh]

#portmaster is great

[faint siren]

They have their own whole community of really good size. Lotsa people use em.

[vernal marsh]

#1402075559240138762 if you are missing analog sticks on your handheld

[little haven]

i still use my old PSP as emulator machine but i've been tempted to get an Anbernic device

just to be able to run more modern stuff, including openmw

[faint siren]

Anbernics kick ass, I'd take one over any homebrewed portable tbh.

[little haven]

good prices too

i could only dream of such a device 10 years ago

[faint siren]

Tbh I play Nazi Zombies on mine more than MW. No shame.

[vernal marsh]

Mine is collecting dust because of an openmw bug about inputs

[warm saddle]

Think that's trying to be fixed

[vernal marsh]

I hope so I put a bounty on it 🙏

[gloomy mango]

lol
I’m literally playing a Pokemon Rom hack on an anbernic right now. They can play MW?!?

But why lmao

Yeah I got the CubeXX recently for like £55. Great device

[warm saddle]

Why not

[gloomy mango]

Right tool for the job lol

[little haven]

Pokemon Polished Crystal?

[gloomy mango]

Clover. Despite almost cutting myself on all the Edge, it’s a surprisingly great Pokemon game.

[little haven]

i'll check it out

[vernal marsh]

I'm playing Pokemon Unbound on original hardware rn

[gloomy mango]

I’ve also tried the first 30 mins of Oddesy, Team Rocket Fire Red, Unbound, Lazarus, and Rocket Ed (different game from team rocket fire Red) . All look incredible, especially Lazarus. It’s BEAUTIFUL

[gloomy mango]

Genuine warning - it’s not for the faint of heart as it’s made by 4chans Pokemon board. Some of the humour has even made me a bit rustled 😅

[little haven]

i had heard about it back in the day but kind of forgot over the years

i'm ready for anything

[gloomy mango]

This looks fantastic! I loved the story it was setting up when I played a few mins

[vernal marsh]

Ooo I'll check out Lazarus sometime

[gloomy mango]

Absolute kino art style

[vernal marsh]

The cutscenes are so long I turned them off on my second playthrough 😅

[little haven]

hadn't heard of Unbound, looks really cool

[swift haven]

Seaglass was a lot of fun from the Lazarus dev

polished crystal is my overall fave though

I got the trimui brick recently and like having a little thing to pick up and play

That isn’t my phone

[little haven]

same

i need to actually play it again, i had a save with the 2.x version but apparently things changed a lot with 3.x so it's not compatible anymore

[warm saddle]

Damn, like 300 unique downloads in one day

Path of the incarnate goes hard

[warm saddle]

How am I supposed to replicate this

[stable bronze]

sounds like they installed/enabled the omwaddon/s but not the omwscript

[warm saddle]

If that was the case then nothing would show up at all

I tried xD

[faint siren]

Always logs.

[warm saddle]

Yeah I asked him haha

But the only time I've ever seen something like that is if settings aren't registered correectly which is definitely not the case

[faint siren]

I've seen some cases where throws from one thing earlier in the LO would cause things later to fail in odd ways.

I've never looked into it much but that's kinda what it smells like.

[warm saddle]

Hmm

So a load order problem? That seems strange 🧐 but I'll check it out

[south spoke]

I had the issue above, it appears on first loading a save and then it will typically disappear on reload. It happens with a few other mods too. If you I exit the game and try again it reappears (at least on the first load)

[faint siren]

Could be SD issue but I'm thinking more like "some other mod is breaking and happens to throw you outta whack too" than just bad load order.

[warm saddle]

Yeah I'm kinda inclined towards this too now after trying to replicate it but I have no idea what mod would do that, obviously lua but no one else has reported this so it's probably an obscure one

[faint siren]

Well just crack open their log and look for the inevitable error spam 😛

Das it

[warm saddle]

Yeah haha, it's on nexus so I'm waiting for him to reply to my comment but trying to replicate it in the meantime cause it's driving me crazy

[faint siren]

You'd need something janky that doesn't actually work in the first place installed before SD

Just make some mod that causes an error to throw when it's setting up some settings

Invalid default value for an input binding renderer, nonexistent renderer, some other third thing

[warm saddle]

Yup I was finally able to replicate it

Having an invalid renderer fucks with certain lua mod’s settings

[south spoke]

Quick question, is this mod is compatible with the new Natural Character Growth and Skill Evolution?

I'm a bit wary of having too many mods which simultaneously modify skills (Come to think of it, would it be possible to have an option to remove attribute changes?)

[warm saddle]

Yup