Sun's Dusk: Needs & Survival

[warm saddle]

I need to get back to my brainstorming for that mod

[rotund epoch]

but imagine this: in some months all the powers/boosts are inactive. In other ones they are same (you get the ones from your favourite birthsign mod for 100% compatibility) and in different ones - maybe just 1 month a year - you get additional benefits

[half summit]

God's have feast days and such so it its all linked

[warm saddle]

Yeah

[rotund epoch]

I love the mods which make passage of time have more of an impact

let's get these star charts out!

this now became the mod I didn't even know I wanted, lol

[sour leaf]

Ikr lmao

[rotund epoch]

I didn't think about this

but yeah

now I want it

[warm saddle]

Might be possible with SSS but idk

[sour leaf]

The dude painted it himself in photoshop using the star map from Redguard too

[rotund epoch]

nice

high effort

[warm saddle]

Damn

[rotund epoch]

love it

[sour leaf]

Plus, I think it balances the alien-looking sky while being lore friendly with the constellations

[rotund epoch]

already

[warm saddle]

That’s one thing I appreciate about Morrowind modders

[rotund epoch]

yeah, I have no problem with alien looking skyline as long as it looks good

[warm saddle]

Yeah Skyrim has cool and wild mods but Morrowind modders go harder

[rotund epoch]

haha

[sour leaf]

I actually messed around with it and you can get the star texture to work in OpenMW. It just doesn't rotate and looks a little wonky

[warm saddle]

We’re on a different spectrum

[rotund epoch]

that season mod, though

[gloomy mango]

I agree with this. I’d like to hide the visual cue for chopping wood as I’m not inclined to do so this play through.

[charred tide]

It would avoid false positives too

[sour leaf]

I was actually thinking this the other day as well. I just didn't want to say anything because I feel like I make suggestions too much and I don't wanna be annoying lol

[rotund epoch]

If you are worried about that, just PM me and I will post the idea here. I will be the annoying one

[half summit]

your gonna need your own settings.cfg

[warm saddle]

I’ll see what all the disabling tooltips setting covers already

[gloomy mango]

Seriously though, this mod is incredible. I never thought I use a mod’s bathing mechanics, but you’ve just made it so damn seamless. That’s very hard to do with a mod.

[sour leaf]

Lmao sure

[warm saddle]

But yeah I was gonna add it for myself too since I don’t need to know which trees I can cut down and whatnot since I already have that memorised xD

[gloomy mango]

Sun’s Dusk feels like it came shipped with vanilla

[charred tide]

It currently covers not showing information while hovering over icons

but that's not very much

[rotund epoch]

the UI makes it seamless. Very good integration.

that's usually an indicator of a great mod

[gloomy mango]

Personally I’d love to have it toggleable on a per-mechanic basis. I love the tooltips for fill water or cook, but won’t ever likely chop a tree if that makes sense. 🙂

[warm saddle]

Hmm

[rotund epoch]

maybe the chopping tooltip should only be shown if you have an axe ready

[charred tide]

Everything in the center of the screen, like refilling wood, washing with soup, firewood making, refill water, cook

[warm saddle]

Mhm

But yeah I plan on getting the tooltips and message boxes a bit more under control / polished

[gloomy mango]

Oh btw, does scummy swamp water instantly make you 100% dirty?

Because I tried to bath and came out dirtier than when I went in 🤣

[charred tide]

If I pretend to be in the world, I don't expect icons to appear in front of me. It takes me out of it

[warm saddle]

And ty!! I was a little sus about enabling bathing by default but I tried to make it relatively easy and immersive for those who haven’t played with one before

[warm saddle]

Yup 😄

[gloomy mango]

You succeeded! I immediately uninstalled a Skyrim needs mod years ago because it was a text box message system that just spammed notifications constantly. Felt moddy.

[warm saddle]

Which Skyrim mod if you don’t mind me asking ? If you remember

[gloomy mango]

Oof. Now you’re asking lol

Lemme go see if I can find it in my download history

It was yonks ago

[warm saddle]

Oh if you don’t know offhand it’s np haha

[gloomy mango]

It might have been either this https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/10843

Or

[warm saddle]

I just ask bc I’ve played with most of the Skyrim needs mods at one point or another and incorporate features from them, although Skyrim’s messages in the top left are a little annoying so I know what you’re talking about haha

[gloomy mango]

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/11163

[warm saddle]

Gotcha

[gloomy mango]

Last downloaded in 2013 and 2014 respectively lol

[sour leaf]

I’ve said it before but the UI was a bit of a turnoff when I tried Ashfall a couple years ago. Just not very intuitive and looked out of place

[warm saddle]

Didn’t ever touch total realism 0.o but yeah frostfall is a classic

[gloomy mango]

Yeah it was the messages at the top left lol

Constant!

[gloomy mango]

Jfc I was 20 when I last downloaded the first one… I’m 33 now…

💀

[rotund epoch]

What mods do you add?

[sour leaf]

Oh god

I’ll dm you so I don’t spam this chat with unrelated messages lmao

[rotund epoch]

Sure

[half summit]

I remember total realism, that was my first skyrim needs mod, didn't that have full nutritional profile and everything

[rotund epoch]

Maybe we should create a separate thread with suggested mods for more immersive and harder/more balanced experience.

Could be useful for those spammy discussions

And there may be some hidden gems

[warm saddle]

Haha it’s all good, I mean this mod can definitely be a framework for some of those things

[rotund epoch]

SD will be on the list ofc

[warm saddle]

I should hope so haha

[half summit]

SD is the list

eventually

[rotund epoch]

SD is one of those essential mods to me like HBFS, NCG, SE etc. Mods it's hard to play without if you tried them.

[warm saddle]

Very blessed

[half summit]

yeah 💯 it would feel wierd without them now

[warm saddle]

How my game feels without your bathhouses lmfao

I had to change the mechanics for bathing a few times to fit TR lands since it’s like a desert in those places

[rotund epoch]

Narsis area is actually the desert

But TR has a giant fucking river

[warm saddle]

That’s why things ended up being so lax, the Skyrim bathing mods all added bathhouses themselves but that wasnt an option for me

[gloomy mango]

Sand bathing could be a thing

I’m sure I read that in one of the game of thrones books lol

[rotund epoch]

If @half summit turns those weirdly placed bathhouses into Temple underground ones it will become a total GOAT mod

[half summit]

which ones specifically ?

[rotund epoch]

Would have to go one by one. Can't do it right now 🙁

[warm saddle]

Have you been to them all?

[rotund epoch]

All? No

[half summit]

drop it on my thread sometime if your want

[warm saddle]

Just know that bathing in a temple gives you a different buff from bathing in a Great House bath, the cell detection is based off of the statics in a cell

[half summit]

do you have something in place for temples already?

[warm saddle]

Yeah

[half summit]

nice

[warm saddle]

Temple Bath is +5 personality

But yeah it’s based off of statics, if the cell isBath and isTemple then it’s a temple bathhouse

Also, that’s why I have to do weird cellInfo stuff instead of hardcoding cells, because of localisation differences

[rotund epoch]

I might go high effort and give ratings to all of them for extra hilarity

Like a bitchy Google review

[half summit]

sure, go hard haha

[rotund epoch]

[warm saddle]

But yeah if Ald’ruhn’s bathhouse is moved to inside the temple and has velothi statics instead, you’d be getting a temple buff instead of a Redoran buff which might be confusing

Could be a separate mod, only have temple bathhouses

[rotund epoch]

Is that the best icon?

[warm saddle]

Or just an optional mod in the downloads or something if you don’t want too recreate or duplicate assets or anything

I mean I’ll use anything you make, I’m really with these ofc just trying to help haha

[half summit]

yeah my plan is to branch into a few optional downloads once I get the main file smoothed out. one way stripped back and one for temples but I'd want to do that right, figure out something appropriate to the religious practice

[warm saddle]

Yeah the temple bathhouse mod is a good example for that, it’s pretty minimalist too and uses some of the same assets I think

From korona

But yeah I’m super happy with what you’ve already done, that shit is mad impressive considering what I gave you 💀

[half summit]

cool yeah I have it butt haven't investigated it yet

thank you its been alot of fun

it's nice to be involved in the sd bubble

[warm saddle]

I spent like 4 hours moving the sadrith mora bathhouse around 💀 learned a lot of console commands that day …

Before I made this mod haha

[rotund epoch]

Literally unplayable

[warm saddle]

[rotund epoch]

Shameful display

[warm saddle]

Literally 2 letters in that whole mod description

[rotund epoch]

[warm saddle]

(Ignore the racial abilities, I moved that section and haven’t tidied it up yet)

[half summit]

the eye sees all

[rotund epoch]

Tzeentch sees all!

Shit, wrong thread

[warm saddle]

I might ask for your help with the food spoilage tbh @rough salmon, it’ll be up on gitlab by the time I get there

[rough salmon]

I have a backlog of about 10-15 chapters of manga I want to finish first, so uhhhhhhhhhhh

We'll see what I could do

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/weakness-disgusts-me-senju-gif-13079766

[rough salmon]

(I have no clue how you could track individual values for each item and make it performant too )

[warm saddle]

Dw it won’t be for a while haha

But yeah idk either, this would be going into kinda hardcore territory so we’re kinda talking in the field of TD only

[rotund epoch]

It's actually what I'm worried about, i.e. too much work and too high technical tax for not enough gain.

[warm saddle]

Adding salt piles to some containers and then spoiling everything else is kinda what I’m thinking, inventory wouldn’t be too bad it’s just the cell history shit

[rough salmon]

one of those chapters is a literal 150 page artbook in one of a kind dogshit scan qualities we had to work with
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036201343993520129/1194217631755010048/hanaougi_016.jpg?ex=69408396&is=693f3216&hm=6c50dde7d8c92d52a216635f9c9a0d1efc07c488fcdf28cc79a6efa79893d4ef&

[rotund epoch]

Jesus

[warm saddle]

And yeah dw like I said I need to put it on gitlab before I’d ask for your help, enjoy your manga in the meantime xD

[rough salmon]

shit quality
glued sides
and slightly rotated pages

[rotund epoch]

Not gonna lie, I really dislike most of manga/anime stuff 😅

[rough salmon]

Touhou is a shmup game series first ☝️🤓

[warm saddle]

Do you want a bad apple midi for bardcraft?

[rough salmon]

I temporarily disabled Bardcraft as a performance measure. I don't really interact with it lately either way

[warm saddle]

Fair tbh

[rough salmon]

And I think I had it too...

[warm saddle]

Almost doubles the lua sync and I have like 100 omwscripts installed

But that’s to be expected from putting a midi lua menu in fucking Morrowind lmfao

Absolutely wild

[rough salmon]

I think I was at about 120 lua mods

So many, that they sometimes outweigh my rendering overhead

[warm saddle]

Oh damn 0.o

[half summit]

my lua is permanently peaking rn I need to trim down kinda badly

[warm saddle]

Ownlyme makes fun of me for not using auto save and I’m like I’m lucky if I make it through some of those long asf load screens, I’m not gonna add anything onto that

[rotund epoch]

I'm usually a calm person. Just snarky. However, when I see a trailer of sth that looks kind of interesting at first but then anime girls with big eyes and mini-skirts and giant swords appear or even worse - it turns out to be a gacha game or sth, I get mad, lol.

[warm saddle]

Autosave, in a Bethesda game? I played enough vanilla Skyrim to know better

[rough salmon]

I spent so much time among weebs that I've inevitably became one

[rotund epoch]

There is friendly autosave mod

[warm saddle]

Autosaving on resting is all I do

Everything else is Todd’s will

[rotund epoch]

F5

[warm saddle]

(Or a skill issue)

[rough salmon]

tbh, it saves quite a bit of brain efficiency for me, so i don't save manually too much

[warm saddle]

Unbound

[rough salmon]

Only before certain encounters

[warm saddle]

Jk I do quicksave but not quick load

[half summit]

I fkn hate quick load

[rough salmon]

I don't either
But just because it takes so much time

[warm saddle]

Lmaooo real

[rotund epoch]

I use it as crash/soft lock/bug preventiom

Quick save, I mean

[rough salmon]

as of late my best tool for bugfixes
is reloadlua

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/greys-anatomy-derek-shepherd-i-really-feel-for-you-i-feel-for-you-patrick-dempsey-gif-25393798

[warm saddle]

Same tbh

[rough salmon]

Going back to this
We'll see what I could do when the time comes

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure, like I said no rush or anything

[rough salmon]

I'm like 1.5 weeks away from finishing my master's, have constant power outages and a lot of stuff to get through with my translations

[warm saddle]

Yeah best of luck with that my friend

[rough salmon]

Also my friends always call my to play my favorite friendslop when I have the electricity

[sour leaf]

What are some really performance intensive lua mods?

[rough salmon]

Uhhhhh, hard to say, really

[rotund epoch]

Mercy

But worth it

[rough salmon]

Usually it's the combat AI mods, S3ctor said

here ☝️

[sour leaf]

Mercy is very cool

[rough salmon]

There's also this edgecase, when you have a bajillion of NPC or Object or whatever scripts which all need to initialize on something being loaded and it will hiccup too

UI, I guess, has gotten better over time. At least, it's not a major concern in the last year or so?

[warm saddle]

Yeah nah the main UI widget is pretty much as optimised as it can get and there won’t be anything new added to it in the near future xD

[half summit]

I got 20 frames back on average when I uninstalled Animated Morrowind

[rough salmon]

oh yeah, NPC scripts moment

[warm saddle]

Yeah I probably wouldn’t touch NPC’s inventory

[rough salmon]

the more NPCs you have, the more NPC scripts will impact your system

[warm saddle]

Which means we’d need a container script

[rough salmon]

just randomize the item stats to create an illusion

I doubt many NPCs will carry rotten food

HMMMMMMMM

[warm saddle]

Although more realistically dynamic needs will come next, after this next update

2 big updates from now

[rotund epoch]

Food spoilage would be great but very tricky with implementation and performance. Ultimately, it's not such a big thing, though, unless you carry a shitton of food in inventory. I find Dynamic Needs more exciting because they reflect the player character. If you are doing a lot of fighting, you will need to eat, drink and rest much more. Zipping around with those Boots of Blinding Speed? Prepare your snacks and drinks as your metabolism will work much faster. Slow day with no fighting, no long distance travel, mostly bartering, talking to NPCs and sorting inventory? Yeah, then you won't accumulate the needs as fast. It's all very cool, I think.

[rough salmon]

ah, forget it, bad idea

[sour leaf]

I tried to make it work but there were always some bugged ones

[warm saddle]

Yeah dynamic needs will likely come next and I’ll add to it over time, it’s just that I need an API for it and I’ve been working ownlyme too hard

[rough salmon]

Food spoilage just needs a design that will work well for both performance and gameplay/UX side

[sour leaf]

What is the next update

[warm saddle]

Saltwater, suspicious water, purification and brewing tea

[sour leaf]

Oh hell yeah

[rough salmon]

If it's just "carry some salt in your inventory to prevent spoilage", it will be hella easy to implement, but not really fun to play

[rotund epoch]

Then it would be pretty poinless

[rough salmon]

I doubt that without dynamic icons of some sort similar to Ashfall you would be able to convey individual item spoilage

So I assume you would need something more general. Something that would apply to the whole inventory at the same time

[warm saddle]

I don’t think that’s too difficult actually, ownlyme does it in leave the lights off

But yeah still it’s layers on layers of stuff

[rough salmon]

Does it affect icons too?

[warm saddle]

Well it would be generating items so yeah you can do icons for that I believe

[rotund epoch]

It would be much more interesting if you could keep food fresh for longer with drying. Not just keeping salt in inventory to prevent spoilage.

[rough salmon]

I guess you could generate custom items with their icons, but the question of "how you would attach a bar to each and every icon in the game" arises

[warm saddle]

Yeah that’s true

Which is usually why I start working from something very simple and then go harder xD

[rough salmon]

I had an idea of incorporating Corporeal Containers to serve as a fridge of sorts. But that immideately starts to sound tedious

[rotund epoch]

Yeah, in KCD it's % next to the item but the UI is totally different. Not "boxes" like in MW but item rows

[warm saddle]

Yeah

[rough salmon]

Having a hard split on unspoilable, but low nutrition and spoilable, but high nutrition sounds unfun too. At least, in the economy where most of the unspoilable (dry) food would cost pennies 🤔

[rotund epoch]

And when you think about all the issues you have to wonder... is it that important? We can live without bread costing 1 gp becoming bad. It's nice for immersion but not very impactful gameplay wise esp with the mod being largely focused on cooking/stews instead of fresh ingredients.

[rough salmon]

whi thinking is difficult

[warm saddle]

I’ll have to add 2 columns to the spreadsheet and go through all of those for all the ingredients although I’ve already resigned myself to that

[rough salmon]

Maybe food spoilage could be scrapped in favor of more thoughtful diet. Not in the "grains, dairy, etc", but just more demanding cost of filling it. Different recipes, standarts that rise with your level/rep, etc

[warm saddle]

But yeah nah this’ll be after your dynamic needs @rotund epoch haha

[rough salmon]

I guess current diets already do it to some extent... But the damn economy ruins the day again

[rotund epoch]

So much effort and all you get is that these 2 kwama eggs from your inventory become spoiled. 2 gold down the drain

[warm saddle]

More like you eat them and get sick

Stews will spoil too btw

[rough salmon]

Well, at the end of the day, you always have something to eat in the field - be it grass or some animals

[warm saddle]

Although tbh we could do the stews spoiling now

[warm saddle]

That’s true

[half summit]

it's good to have to restock your supplies regularly though.

[warm saddle]

But those things restore much less hunger than a proper meal

[rotund epoch]

Dynamic needs partially cover that. Stronger character would need to eat more than lvl 1 wimp with 30 STR

[rough salmon]

Maybe raw ingredients could use some nerfing

[rough salmon]

True

[rotund epoch]

They are much worse than stews

Usually 1 stew is enough

[rough salmon]

idk, not to the point that I start thinking "if I won't stock up on food right now, I will starve in the fields"

[warm saddle]

Yeah that’s true

[rotund epoch]

It's good to have a few stews in inventory, though. You don't need a lot. Just some. Then you don't need to bother with raw food, worry about poisoning etc.

And they also act like mini-potions. I eat a stew with Water Breathing and get it for 90 seconds, for example

[rough salmon]

They weigh quite a lot, compared to all other food

[rotund epoch]

Compare the needs values

And the effects

[half summit]

if they spoil its a good trade off but maybe woth rebalance. so cooked food is way more preferable but can spoil and maybe spoiled food can give you disease just by being in inventory

[rotund epoch]

Stocking 20 stews is a bad idea but what would you need that for? Waste of space. Having 4 or 5 is enough for conventional needs and you don't have to worry about running out or searching for food. And if you have a desirable effect there it's a nice bonus

[rough salmon]

stocking 20 stews is a bad idea, because they weigh 4 kilos each

maybe
just maybe
you could track when the certain stew was made and treat it as a "how spoiled/cold" it got

do you like cold stew? I don't

maybe they could "evolve" through time by this metric
like, they already are lua-generated, unique and unstackable

sounds like a perfect candidate for this kinds of shenanigans

and instead of having bars over icons, they would just change into different items: lukewarm stew, cold stew and blooming stew with their own generic icon and new slightly lowered buffs

[rotund epoch]

No

[rough salmon]

dang

[rotund epoch]

It's very efficient to use stews

[rough salmon]

this would also incentivise players to cook more on the spot, utilizing the camping more (I've still never made a campfire since you added them)

[rotund epoch]

This idea has merit

[rough salmon]

as you can always cook a lot in the cities ahead of time

[rotund epoch]

Yeah

[rough salmon]

and also nerf generic ingredients for a good measure

as for dishes from Expanded Loot...

Making them spoil would be hard, so it would be easier to make them occupy a different niche

[rotund epoch]

The way it could be done is that these values would simply go down every X hours until the stew becomes spoiled (useless)

[rough salmon]

eat on the spot in the cities, maybe
fast food essentally

[warm saddle]

Hmm

[rough salmon]

not useless, but actively harmful

[rotund epoch]

Same deal. Waste of space.

[half summit]

yeah i was just gonna say that, maybe everytime you move out of legal zone all those items are removed

[rough salmon]

no, use them to poison your weapons

[rotund epoch]

A bit janky

[half summit]

why you ever try carrying a plate of spaghetti into the woods?

[warm saddle]

Yeah these are good ideas, tbh the stew spoiling wouldn’t be difficult but the other things could be added with the cooking update

[rough salmon]

a set grace period until they become instanly spoiled all at the same time

[half summit]

a bit gamey but it gets the point across

[rotund epoch]

It wouldn't magically become bad when you move out of the inn

[half summit]

and then you have poisons

[half summit]

yes it would lol

[rough salmon]

they would magically get cold and not tasty

[half summit]

it's a plate of hot food

[rotund epoch]

I ate a piece of cold pizza a day after it was made. It wasn't great but it also wasn't bad. It definitely wasn't spoiled. It also didn't disappear from my inventory

[half summit]

that's pizza

totally different

[rough salmon]

I wonder if this could be somehow incorporated into the needs loop without breaking it altogether
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/56805

[polar fox]

All this is silly, obviously what should happen is that when you jump while carrying stew in an open bowl it should splash on your face

And then you need a bath

[rough salmon]

and heal (the soup was hot)

[half summit]

Well...

[warm saddle]

Don’t give ownlyme ideas

[polar fox]

If hot soup did more than a rounding error worth of damage I would be pissed at my inability to weaponize it

[rotund epoch]

*damage

[warm saddle]

I feel like I had to persuade him out of that one

[half summit]

I love this mod

[rough salmon]

does it have an option to generate loot in every other inventory instead of each one?

i didn't check it

[rotund epoch]

It works the same with your spaghetti example. You can absolutely eat it the next day. Actually, it will be better than eating pizza the next day.

[rough salmon]

what why

[half summit]

I think it would have to be added to the script but it looked pretty adaptable

[rough salmon]

i don't have a microwave at home

[rough salmon]

oh yeah, for sure. Three lines of code max

[rotund epoch]

The sauce is so good that you can even eat it cold

[half summit]

not if you carry it into the woods! I urge you to try it

[rotund epoch]

There are no woods in Morrowind

Checkmate

[half summit]

without tinfoil, clingfilm, tupperware

mine does

[rough salmon]

*if you play SD on default settings

[warm saddle]

True lmfao

[rotund epoch]

I will make you a bet. If I take spaghetti with me and it doesn't disappear the moment I exit the city's boundaries, you will send me 20 EUR. If it disappears, I will send you 30 EUR! Good bet

[half summit]

sure thing

I'll actually take that

but you have to have a full plate

and no bag

[rotund epoch]

Bah?

[rough salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238940634098700378/1356718979426680972/ezgif-34c25085f77bdb.gif

[rotund epoch]

Ah, bag

You want me to carry it in my hands?

[half summit]

yeah

[rough salmon]

you've uninstalled the backpack mod yourself

[half summit]

you don't play with a backpack

[rotund epoch]

Just as you carry your 3 steel cuirasses?

[half summit]

in my backpack

I actually can't carry 3steel cuirasses

weigh too weak

[rotund epoch]

Put spaghetti there as well. Next to 10 kwama eggs, a claymore, 36 Lessons of Vivec. They will fit right in. Just keep it far from Staff of Magnus.

[half summit]

I'll wrap it in a rat pelt. Still be fine in the morning

[rotund epoch]

3x30=90

Doable

Without much effort

[half summit]

barely I would have to drop everything else

[rough salmon]

carrying is one thing
and actively walking with is the other

[half summit]

yeah

[rough salmon]

running with just one bulletproof vest is already not easy

[rotund epoch]

Obviously nobody would travel with 3 cuirasses in the backpack. You could carry them in your hands. Not practical. Doable.

For realistic inventory items would need to occupy space

[half summit]

it's time we had RE lua inventory

[rotund epoch]

I would like to have limited item slots. Would be cool

[rough salmon]

imagine the patches it would need

[rough salmon]

I even think... It's already doable

[rotund epoch]

It would be sorted by item type

[rough salmon]

🤔

[rotund epoch]

So not that bad

[half summit]

hmmm

[rough salmon]

maybe even with X different items per item type

[rotund epoch]

How many spears you can carry? 2? Maybe 3 tops

So you have the limit

No item should be limited to 1 if we count the equipped items, I guess, for gameplay reasons alone. Imagine having to unequip your own cuirass in order to fetch somebody armour for some quest (1 item). That would suck. However, if the equipped items are ignored then that would be fine (1 on yourself + 1 in inventory). It's not believable to carry multiple cuirasses after all.

[half summit]

yeah similar to detail devil's mod

[rotund epoch]

Items like daggers would have a high limit. You can fit those somewhere easily

Some items would have no limit like flowers

[half summit]

your equipment shouldn't count against it. some limited stacking like for scrolls maybe if you have a scroll case. I'm imaging now the horadric cube from diablo in CCC style implementation

[rough salmon]

what if you had a limited carry weight per item category instead?

it would simplify things a lot

removing all the required filtering

[rotund epoch]

As long as you don't treat cuirass and gloves the same way

[rough salmon]

they are different in weight

[rotund epoch]

And type

[rough salmon]

type is determined by their weight

[rotund epoch]

Different equipment slots

That's what I mean

[rough salmon]

I was just thinking of differenciating flowers from kwama eggs
and filtering them by names or dis is not viable in a long run

since they are effectively the same by most properties
tools and equipment are a different story, ofc

[warm saddle]

That’s what the spreadsheet is for

I already have all the food sorted out like that haha

[rotund epoch]

Eh, no, because a cuirass is a cuirass. Chitin is very light. So what? You can't carry 10 in your backpack, right? So armour pieces need to be treated not based on weight but type.

Same with swords etc.

But you are right with ingredients

Could be simplified

Same with scrolls

Books would be easy as well.

Misc items are the hardest

[half summit]

mísc items can be categorised by weight

[rotund epoch]

I expect that this is all doable. I mean, lua functions are there, right? Everything that's in the inventory can be checked

[rough salmon]

good opportunity to get into lua programming >:)

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-bart-simpson-join-us-sit-here-gif-15631014

[rotund epoch]

Ha ha, I won't do it. Hard rule so far. Not touching modding because then I will stop playing. I experienced it several times years ago. Modder's curse

I modded Morrowind and Total War. Couldn't stop tweaking stuff.

Oblivion as well

I made so many equipment overhauls that it was hard to count all the redos, lol. Then new mods came up that I wanted in the game so I had to merge and rebalance them... it was all good old MW exe btw.

My giant personal mod was a bit like Tamriel Data but I managed it all myself 😂

And the levelled lists omg... all the creature variants...

I did shit like: ok, so here is a wolf, so no standard humanlike person should be able to outrun it. Then I calculacted the speed, tested the stats, made sure that even 100 SPD PC character couldn't outrun a wolf and that it was only possible with supernatural stats (fortifications, spells etc.). Then I did mind games like: how many hits it should take a wolf to reliably kill an average unarmoured person. Then I used this as "base" for a character with average Endurance in order to calculate damage. Etc. etc. Definitely not sth I want to do again because it was almost addictive to constantly tweak stuff

[sour leaf]

Just a couple weird things lol

The sulphur pools are from the Great Scathes I think

[warm saddle]

Hmm

That’s strange, I thought I got those

It’s letting u refill there?

[sour leaf]

At the sulphur pool yeah

[warm saddle]

Hmm

[sour leaf]

The bench is letting me cook

[warm saddle]

Yeah

[sour leaf]

Maybe two different object ids?

[warm saddle]

Just weird bc I thought I blacklisted those

[dense jewel]

hello, do these mod were compatible with some kind like this "Consistent Races of Tamriel (https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/57375)"???
this one change some abilities in race and adding another race...
suns dusk also adding some abilities in some vanilla races to add the immersion right?

if maybe somebody had already asked this question or the great author already explain this im sorry...

[warm saddle]

Yup, they’re compatible. I don’t read any abilities from the races themselves, I only check what race the player has :)

[dense jewel]

okay thank you

[warm saddle]

Hmm, I’m thinking about changing some of the default settings now that people have kinda learned the ropes (and also I’m writing in-game books with info)

[rotund epoch]

yes and no mercy

https://tenor.com/view/no-mercy-johnny-kreese-william-zabka-martin-kove-gif-24814714

[half summit]

how thirsty does alcohol actually make you?

like per unit

[rotund epoch]

oh man. I can tell you from experience...

it makes you thirsty a lot!

[half summit]

Well there's two kinds of thirst in my experience..

one kicks in right away, the other waits till morning to let you know

[rotund epoch]

yes but we are not talking about being "thirsty" like... the way Molag Bal looks at Vivec or sth... not that kind of thirsty

[half summit]

very relatable example

[rotund epoch]

loreful

[rotund epoch]

the first thing I do after waking up post-drinking is to drink a lot of water

so it kicks in with a lag

[half summit]

yeah it would be funny if alcohol made you less thirsty until it wears of and then nothing will quench it for the rest the day

unless you eat alot of bacon

[rotund epoch]

chicken broth!

or shitty fast food!

[rough salmon]

*scrib jerkies

[rotund epoch]

thirst kicking in with a lag would be funny

[rotund epoch]

so you drink more alcohol to quench thirst...

[half summit]

yeah and it just makes it worse haha

I guess if hangover was an effect like a disease you could have thirst as a factor of it. multiple levels that apply based on how much you drank and for how long

[rotund epoch]

https://youtube.com/shorts/kkb6mDryX-A?si=ABCWmdbg0jviGl2D

[half summit]

my friend streamed his playthrough of that game, he dedicated himself to playing the entire game constantly drinking as much as possible 😂

[rotund epoch]

proper immersive Czech experience

Dunmer are more like sad drunks as we discussed a long time ago, lol

[half summit]

yeah racial bonuses for drunkenness

dunmer have a moral shield

[rotund epoch]

damn ashstorms... cliff racers being annoying again... slave prices are up...

[half summit]

their a grim bunch

no fun at all

[rotund epoch]

I wonder how often drunk Dunmer call their ancestors

and keep drinkings with the ghosts

praising their health

[half summit]

oh man it would be nightly in some taverns

[rotund epoch]

ALL NIGHTER

[warm saddle]

However much thirst it usually restores, enabling that setting makes you thirsty for that same amount

[half summit]

getting in to fights "my ancestor can still kick your ancestors ass!"

[rotund epoch]

there is a MSWE mod which allows you to talk with the ancestor ghost. It can give you advice or shit-talk you

[half summit]

haha nice

[rotund epoch]

the Indoril are known for calling ghosts of ancestors as witnesses in legal proceedings

[rotund epoch]

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/56757

[warm saddle]

Speaker of the dead quest

[gloomy mango]

I actually eat some raw meat yesterday to lighten my inventory and it gave me a disease I then had to cure 😂

Love the mechanics

[warm saddle]

Nice haha, it’s only a chance of that happening and you can increase or decrease the % but yeah I like it

[gloomy mango]

Imagine that in real life when you eat food two weeks out of date and just cast cure (food) poison and you're right as rain 😄

[warm saddle]

Also raw seafood/fish is safe to eat

[rotund epoch]

somebody likes sushi

[warm saddle]

Yes but also crab meat is plentiful haha

Dunmer ought to be used to it

[rotund epoch]

not a fan of raw meat

[warm saddle]

I think some raw meat is safe to eat but I forget them all tbh

[rotund epoch]

I meant IRL lol

xD

[warm saddle]

Oh gotcha haha

I mean it’s a delicacy in some places but yeah me neither

[rotund epoch]

I don't eat things like tartare

or sushi

[half summit]

horseradish sauce?

[rotund epoch]

Sometimes. It's not sth I use often.

but I mean stuff like this

raw meat with raw egg

I don't eat it. I know people who love this stuff, though

[half summit]

ahh yeah that's an "acquired taste" meaning it's gross until you train yourself otherwise

[rotund epoch]

Kwama egg and raw alit meat

[half summit]

Good virtuous indoril cooking

[polar fox]

"Cooking"

I think the term is preparation, in the same way you prepare sushi but you cook a hamburger.

[little haven]

Kibbeh nayyeh is delicious

[little haven]

Excellent mod

[rotund epoch]

MSWE 😥

[little haven]

Maybe we need a suns dusk module for it

[rotund epoch]

well, it's unrelated. Maybe if the guys want to make sth like this as a separate mod?

[half summit]

it would be funny to have something like that for gods too, maybe using the Diverse Voices tech to have them chew you out for summoning them on the wrong day

[warm saddle]

Nice

These won’t change your existing settings unless you hit reset in the settings btw, just thinking about settings going forward

I’m writing in-game books so that you can see all the info and everything without having to look at the mod description or anything and it wouldn’t make sense for me to write about things that are disabled by default which food poisoning is rn haha

[vernal marsh]

It'd be neat if the in-game book contents were reactive and based on your current settings. Book records are writable so it's doable

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/55126 might allow for some extra fancy layout if you want that

I do this for radiant theft quest notes

[warm saddle]

Yeah I planned on doing something like that but I mean in total these are like 2500 words or something and this is condensed

But good to know that book records are writable, that’ll help with cookbook recipes

If people want to come up with hardcoded recipes that would be cool too, not necessary ofc but it would mean I can implement them faster

[vernal marsh]

Randomized recipes

Then you really need the in game cookbooks

[warm saddle]

Wym randomized recipes ? That’s what there is now, no?

[vernal marsh]

Ah nevermind

[warm saddle]

You can cook up any food/ingredients you want I just need to hardcode some recipes at some point

[rough salmon]

You could use ones implemented in DN - they're all based on AFFresh and ingame sources I think

[warm saddle]

Yeah I mostly just need ideas for spell effects, that’s usually what takes me the longest to come up with since there are so many

I’ll probably end up putting cure blight/common disease on the special recipes and take them off of other ingredients

[rough salmon]

I'd suggest making the effects maybe not too powerful, but lasting. For a several minutes, so you could benefit from the food not just like a second potion

Having slight, but long fatigue regen is really cool

Same for magicka regen too. It would make a great alternative for instant potions I suppose

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure, water already has some restore magicka on it but that’s good to keep in mind

Some of AFFresh’s recipes have like 4 or 5 ingredients though and I’m not sure which to go with 🧐

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind_Mod:AFFresh/Rithleen's_Recipes these are the recipes if anyone is curious

[rough salmon]

Maybe make any 3 of these 5 ingredients count for this recipe?

[warm saddle]

Hmm

Yeah that could work

[rough salmon]

Will you add your own recipe book for these unique recipes?

[warm saddle]

Oh yeah for sure

I don’t expect people to memorise them haha

I won’t go into detail on how to cook them though obviously, they’ll look more like Skyrim’s alchemy recipes probably

[rough salmon]

"For details, check Rithleen's Recipes cookbook (added by AFFresh mod)"

[warm saddle]

Yeah I found a clever way of referring to other mods

Wells have a ton of mechanics and whatnot but there are only like 1 or 2 in vanilla

[rotund epoch]

not a problem. There will always be cases like this. Many people play with BCOM, anyway.

[warm saddle]

Oh yeah for sure

Someone commented on the forum asking where wells are and said they’re new to the game so I think this was one of the few mods they installed 🥹

[half summit]

thats the dream

[warm saddle]

Not if you’re on a Gameboy

[rotund epoch]

I was about to say this

toys are for kids

[warm saddle]

Idk running Morrowind on a Gameboy is a huge flex

Making mods that can run on a Gameboy is also a flex

[rotund epoch]

sure

truly hardcore experience

so if you can run Morrowind on a toaster, I think that you will know how to handle thirst even if there is no well nearby

[warm saddle]

Yeah but still a little clunky haha, although if you have 1 gb of memory there are a few well mods that are under like 10 mb in total

But def not necessary or required haha

Ownlyme doesn’t even want refilling at wells at all

[rotund epoch]

it's already there. It would be such a waste to remove this. However, time cost should be added as previously discussed.

[warm saddle]

Nah it’s not going to be removed haha but that’s why there’s a setting for it

[warm saddle]

Another UI to make

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/loading-progress-bar-charging-gif-13877409

[warm saddle]

Yeah that’s a whole UI haha

[half summit]

see easy

[warm saddle]

Not that it’s difficult just tedious

Which is why I only use tooltips for the bathing and tea although I want a castbar for the tea like you’re boiling it

Btw does anyone here have the tea mod ? I’m looking for a tea pot or kettle model that would look good with the vanilla redware ceramic cups but I’m not at my computer and there are … a lot to go through haha

[half summit]

yeah i do

[warm saddle]

I think there’s a redware kettle but I forget

[half summit]

Redware Tisane Pot?

NOM_pot_red

[warm saddle]

Hmm

I think so

[half summit]

ah theres also redware teapot

[warm saddle]

Nice

[half summit]

TM_disp_redware_teapot

and TMT_disp_redware_teapot

[warm saddle]

Word thank u

Would be cool to craft them but idk what redware is even made of

Clay I’d assume but there’s nothing like that anywhere in game

[half summit]

hmm teracotta i imagine

[warm saddle]

Oh yeah there’s that one guy in aldruhn smuggling moon sugar or whatever in them

[half summit]

maybe its muck

[warm saddle]

Guess I could do a wildcard to turn redware pots and vases into teapots, since tea pots and the redware / OAAB ceremonial cups and tea cups are the only things you can make tea in

[half summit]

yeah probably best option without a proper pottery module haha

[warm saddle]

Pottery crafting in morrowind

That’s lit haha

I’d love a baking sim

I’ll probably do one eventually if I get a hang of hard coding recipes

[half summit]

that would be amazing

[rotund epoch]

We need a tavern sim. Invest in a tavern. Hire staff. Come up with new recipes to attract customers. Deal with competition.

[warm saddle]

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/41588

[sour leaf]

Can you only do 3 ingredients?

[warm saddle]

No you can do up to 3, I think it’s possible to change that but I haven’t tried yet 🧐

[sour leaf]

Gotcha

[rotund epoch]

the community has spoken

[rotund epoch]

Lol

[half summit]

we want it all

[warm saddle]

Not sosnoviy flexing the bathing module in the other discord server

[rough salmon]

Not my fault you made it so good and convenient to use

[warm saddle]

Imagine being limited by activators and Todd’s engine

Couldn’t be me

[rotund epoch]

[warm saddle]

I do need to make bathhouses warmer though, I keep forgetting to do that

[rough salmon]

Saunas of Vvardenfell???

[warm saddle]

Haha well I’ll just make baths warm in the meantime but if someone wanted to do saunas I’d def make those hot

Sauna + ice bath/pond for an extra bonus

[rough salmon]

permanent increases to your immune system

[rotund epoch]

Maybe not permament but small long-lasting buffs would be nice. Sort of like shrines.

[warm saddle]

Also

Moment of silence for MWSE’s bathing mod UI

[gloomy mango]

2 what?
Units
Units of what?
Units of bath!

[warm saddle]

Yeah idfk

[gloomy mango]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5iNLeWnkW4s&pp=ygUSQWx3YXlzIHN1bm55IHVuaXRz

[rotund epoch]

There is a bathing mod for MSWE?

[warm saddle]

Yeah, it came out last year I think
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/54401

But it has less features than the first draft of the module that I cobbled up in the span of a few hours haha

But it looks like I gave them some inspiration so Todd’s engine enjoyers might have a taste of civilisation I guess

[half summit]

when I put up BoV the first comment on there was "works in mwse?"

[warm saddle]

Yes but just for ✨aesthetics✨

Think they’re gonna try to merge the mwse bathing mod with ashfall or have it as an addon or something haha

Idk, can’t relate

[warm saddle]

Feels good tho hahaha

How the turntables

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/orc-lord-of-the-rings-gothmog-age-over-gif-16109424

[warm saddle]

They had the audacity to think I do anything in mwscripts xD I was offended

[half summit]

im Def gonna do some saunas, it would be cool to figure out the process properly so it works like you'd expect with SD. btw do you recognise the hot showers in BoV? I forgot to check

[warm saddle]

Go crazy and do whatever you want haha, I’ll make it work from my end

Also which hot showers ? I can set the temperature to anything in any of them

[rough salmon]

just mark certain showers as hot and certain as cold

my poor Altmer will get damaged in both

[warm saddle]

To do this you’d want to make the showers activators (if they’re not already) or if you’re creating new record IDs, indicate in the ID if they should be hot or cold

[gloomy mango]

Would it be possible to include the "fake" water texture use for fountains etc to count as water for bathing?

[warm saddle]

Yup

[gloomy mango]

Certain baths, like the Ja Natta's sydicate's Boss' bath don't count. Neither does the "bathhouse" cell of Garden of Dreams

[warm saddle]

Hmm

What’s the garden of dreams bathhouse called ?

[gloomy mango]

And yes... I tried to take a bath with ¦¦the sload¦¦

fuck

how do I spoiler again lmao

[rotund epoch]

double |

[warm saddle]

Do you have the item ID? Or you can just grab it sometime, no big deal
Right now I only have tooltips for “refilling” water which doubles as bathing, so I’m hesitant about adding new ones so that we’re not refilling sewer water

[gloomy mango]

Not certain, I think they were made with the flat water texture that can be placed anywhere.

Like the fouintain in OE

[warm saddle]

Oh okay that’s good

Yeah

[rotund epoch]

Double "I". Like this: ||CHIM||

[half summit]

🤷

[half summit]

yeah the showers are already marked as hot and cold in the ids ill have to go through and check that their set up properly

and add some steam emitters

[warm saddle]

As long as there’s some pattern to the record IDs or name I’ll have something to work with haha

[vernal marsh]

Might be a good use of S3ctor's tags mod too

[half summit]

what'd that?

[vernal marsh]

Interop mod that lets you put metadata on objects

[half summit]

oh cool!

[warm saddle]

Technically there’s already something in place but I haven’t tested it extensively

Actually I just realised, I haven’t tested it enough to be able to write instructions but it’s a TSV (v small) and you’re accustomed to those

Although I’ll still have to test things out to see what works best but yeah just design things however you want and I’ll make it work from my end

[half summit]

I dont doubt it

[warm saddle]

But yeah get as creative as you want haha, that’s what I ended up doing with katya and why it’s flexible

Didn’t want Katya to have to work around me or anything

[proven nymph]

Nice job on Suns Dusk @warm saddle

Also love the moomin profile pic

[warm saddle]

Thank you haha and I see you are a man of culture

[half summit]

yeah of course, blessed.
but if there are any cool intractable tags it wouldn't hurt to know how to manipulate them too haha

[warm saddle]

Well right now most of the API is searching for patterns, sometimes I have to hardcode things which I sometimes avoid but I don’t mind doing that for something like this

[warm saddle]

For example to make warm showers I’ll increase the temperature in bathhouses and make whatever IDs a heat source probably, theres an API for you to register things like that as a mod creator similarly to how the crafting framework works, but I haven’t done a lot with it and what’s set up seems a bit … not intuitive ? So I’d want to try some things out first 😅

[half summit]

yeah fair enough it's early days yet. I'll avoid putting "well" in unnecessary ids for now

[warm saddle]

Yeah haha just name them whatever you want and whatever works best for you, as long as there’s some pattern

[proven nymph]

Now we just need real time cooking of mushrooms at a campfire 🔥

[warm saddle]

That won’t be happening for quite some time haha, it’s def possible but there are bigger things in the works

[vernal marsh]

Integration with Lively Map so we can pretend we're weather forecasters

[warm saddle]

I’m gonna make a mod that’s basically the LoZ weather UI

There’s another UI mod that’s in the works first but yeah it’s on the agenda

[proven nymph]

lmao

Most anticipated feature

[little haven]

I still can't believe your mod exists @warm saddle

We went from 0 to 100 real quick

[warm saddle]

Hahaha wym?

[little haven]

You're spoiling us

[rotund epoch]

plz no spoilers!

[warm saddle]

Some day people will stop comparing this mod to ashfall

That’s the end goal tbh

[little haven]

I stopped comparing it a long time ago

It's already too unique

It's redefining survival modding

[warm saddle]

Thank you haha

[rotund epoch]

Ashfall? Oh, so it's SD for MSWE? Nice!

I'm glad that MSWE got some love as well!

[warm saddle]

Gotta leave something for todd’s engine enjoyers

[rotund epoch]

it's only fair

[sour leaf]

The addition of bathing really set it apart imo

[little haven]

Literally this

[vernal marsh]

Oooo do you get dirty in ash storms??

[warm saddle]

Yeah

Ash and blight storms

[vernal marsh]

[warm saddle]

I was sus about enabling it by default but I think I made it chill enough that’s it’s alright

[sour leaf]

Im very pro-“enable everything and then let the player disable what they want to” rather than the other way around

[gloomy mango]

wiping off the dust and ash

[rough salmon]

I think temperature bar is slightly broken in the latest version 🤔

[warm saddle]

Hmm

What’s your race? Also could you turn debug mode to trace? No need to print, just hover over the temp bar and show me what shows up

[rough salmon]

Altmer

[warm saddle]

Hmm

I think that’s correct but I’ll have to check the code

Altmer get chilly earlier than other races, i forget where exactly it starts at though

Yeah haha it’s chilly up to 17 for you

Bundle up xD

[little haven]

I'm a real life nord I think, I go out wearing shorts when it's 17

[sour leaf]

Idek what the equivalent of Italians would be

[little haven]

Imperials

[sour leaf]

Yeah

[rotund epoch]

-17, you mean

[rotund epoch]

Only if you mean the Ancient Romans. Imperials aren't similar to medieval/renaissance Italians or modern ones.

[sour leaf]

That is true

[little haven]

i was going for the closest

otherwise maybe khajit would fit

[charred tide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cADYT0NyFpA

[rotund epoch]

now it will be possible to get (un)dressed easily when talking to Crassius. It's not decent to appear dressed in his presence.

[warm saddle]

True lmfao I started a Hlaalu playthrough

[rough salmon]

uhhh, wasn't it already fixed? 🤔

[warm saddle]

Hmm

The TD split logs, those are from the logs on fire mod though

[half summit]

can you keep the rain off with fire shield?

[vernal marsh]

Lightning shield should be more effective if you're wet

[warm saddle]

Yup, it prevents you from getting wet

[warm saddle]

I have something special in mind for lightning shield ;)

[sour leaf]

Kills you instantly in the rain

[grizzled flume]

Basically a lightning rod

[warm saddle]

Yes

Well it’ll be a few updates before I implement it but being in a thunderstorm while having metal armor/weapons has a chance to cause lightning damage

Lightning shield will protect you from that

[sour leaf]

Do layers have any effect on warmth? Like if I wear a normal set of clothes under a robe is that more effective than just wearing a robe or just the clothes?

[warm saddle]

Yup, wearing more layers gives you more warmth

Wearing as many clothes as possible (shirt, skirt, pants, robe) gives you the most warmth you can get from clothes which is most effective when worn with cold resistant armor

But if you’re only wearing clothes, I assume you’re a mage or running an unarmored build and so you get an extra heat bonus as if you had a few pieces of cold resistant armor

[little haven]

Would be fun if mages had to rely on spells to keep warm

May be annoying though

[warm saddle]

They pretty much have to yeah, that’s the most effective way for them I’m just helping them out a bit

Eventually I’ll remove that and make it a perk though

[little haven]

I feel like magic is so OP we need downsides like this to balance it out

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure

[little haven]

Mages should be glass cannons

[warm saddle]

Although I like fire shield a lot and made it kinda op haha, although I think that’s going to be a setting because ownlyme hates it

[little haven]

Tbh I wish mana was rarer so you would end up having to make decisions like should I use some of it to stay warm, etc

But as the game is forget about that, it's too easy to abuse alchemy or rest

[rough salmon]

proceeds to create breton tank

[warm saddle]

Yeah but still annoying having to use a hotkey specifically for alchemy potions/the cheese enchant

[little haven]

Mechanics to force the player to have to set up camp and such is also cool

Not being able to travel everywhere you want in an instant is a fun constraint

[warm saddle]

Yeah I have a few ideas for that but haven’t decided on the best way to go about it yet and have a few other priorities that I’m sorting out 👀

Hopefully the update will be ready for this weekend

But yeah I’m down for ideas too

[little haven]

I've been out of the loop for a week or two but this weekend (and over the holidays) I'm going to do a blitz

I miss Morrowind when I don't play it for too long

[warm saddle]

Very blessed

[little haven]

I've missed the last few updates to SD so I'm excited to check that out

[proven nymph]

It just works. I really like the stew crafting UI it’s somehow very satisfying

[warm saddle]

Many thanks, sera
It was a lot of work

I think it took ownlyme longer to do the scrollbar + UI for selecting multiple ingredients, cancelling clicks, and the cooking image changing than it took me to do all the cooking data stuff

[vernal marsh]

Scrollbars are the devil

[warm saddle]

Yeah they are cursed

A resizing one is even worse

For some reason he creates a new scrollbar for each of his mods no idea why

[charred tide]

Shameless ad: https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/57941

[warm saddle]

Very blessed and I already downloaded, when I’m on my pc I’ll add it to the mod description

[charred tide]

Don't feel pressured to do so. Just let me know if you like it

[warm saddle]

Nah haha I’ll like it and ownlyme will like it too, loadouts is nice but a bit overkill for what we’ve got going on here haha

[rotund epoch]

THE MOST IMPORTANT MORROWIND MOD JUST DROPPED!

get out of these pants

just 1 button click away

[warm saddle]

Finally a convenient way to strip down for crassius curio

Innovative mod right here

[charred tide]

Exactly

[warm saddle]

He’s even a heat source

[rotund epoch]

still waiting for someone to report that as a bug

and then you can be like: but it's a feature

[warm saddle]

Mfw I got the bug report on cutting down nord log cabins

Dunmer nationalist rp

[charred tide]

Idea: player Stance 2 (spell readied) increases you warming up / drying yourself near fires

It's a feature in DN I liked

[warm saddle]

Yeah I remember, I wanted to do it but I think there was a reason I didn’t, I might revisit it though

I’d probably want to do something like frostfall where you could “activate” a fire when you were super close and it would put you in that stance or whatever

Let’s see, i still need to do some testing but the big things in this next update are done for the most part:

Saltwater, suspicious water, purification, added a few more ways of getting dirty, durability loss from being dirty or in sewers (possibly wet, idk yet), very basic tea stuff, a tea kettle for those who don’t have TD or OAAB, and at least one book with info for needs so you can look at things in game

Anything else I should add ?

[charred tide]

oaab towels?

[warm saddle]

Yup

[warm saddle]

Those are already there but yeah I missed those

Half of them work, if you go to the left side of that room there are some OAAB towels that work

Thought I got them all but missed a few haha

I should probably give them more charge tho 🧐 doesn’t make much sense that they have the same amount as a little cloth

[charred tide]

Btw, can you enter the bathhouse without coc commands? The door is locked for me but I'm a modder

Good luck keeping me out 😄

[warm saddle]

I think I just unlocked it haha, or you receive the key by finishing a quest or by paying or something

[charred tide]

Ah, you need to go to the publican for the key

I wish every place received katya's level of care

great mod

[warm saddle]

But yeah I love that place, Katya did a great job

Fr

[vernal marsh]

Stoneflower?

[warm saddle]

Yup

She added a bathhouse 🥹

[vernal marsh]

Ok I'll add it to my list of mods to install when I start playing again

[warm saddle]

It’s really charming

And there’s a tea kettle in there that you can make heather tea in

[sour leaf]

Katya always does a great job

[rotund epoch]

Running lowers durability of boots. Running without boots/shoes can cause higher Fatigue loss and eventually give you SPD debuff unless you are Argonian or Khajiit

[warm saddle]

Hmm you don’t need this mod for doing any of those things haha

[sour leaf]

Do any of the foods from “Expanded Loot Food and Dishes” affect warmth? There’s a lot of soups and whatnot

[warm saddle]

I think I added some but I forget, I definitely did TD and OAAB though

[sour leaf]

Hell yeah

[warm saddle]

I think I added warmth values to some of the bread and I’m certain I did the tea mod as well but I forget

[rough salmon]

Remiros' Landscape Overhaul for The White Wolf of Lokken Mountain mod uses (I assume) part of the well mesh for the lighthouse, thus making it a water source. Idk how or even would you fix that 🧐

[rotund epoch]

the sheer randomness of these instances makes it seem as if Todd came up with the feature and these are the results 😂

guess that most other modders didn't expect anyone to search for "well" in the ids, lol

[warm saddle]

Yeah not sure if I even could/would since I think that’s the mesh for wells around Cyrodiil, I noticed TR does the same thing and uses mournhold wells as like stairs

[warm saddle]

I can blacklist statics np but that means any other time that static shows up, it won’t be a well

[rough salmon]

I guess you could blacklist individual object ids... But that would be tedious too

[warm saddle]

Like in an instance?

[rough salmon]

like GameObject.id instead of GameObject.recordId

[warm saddle]

Hmm

I don’t think that’s how we do statics but I’ll see

But yeah idk like I said, modders use the wells from Tamriel data … liberally haha

I was walking around some Indoril settlement and the ground showed up as a well, turns out it was a well like rotated on its side or something and used as a floor

I’m like … it’s not even worth fixing

[rough salmon]

[warm saddle]

Basically

[half summit]

yeah maybe it's time to add a disclaimer "morrowind is a wet place, any unwanted water sources should be reported to the custodian of the original mod source" or just drink and be merry

[warm saddle]

I mean possibly haha, there are a few ways of doing it but all of them are annoying I think 🧐

[charred tide]

"Where do you see yourself in ten years". Show them this picture

[little haven]

Literally me

[rotund epoch]

Feeling good?

[rough salmon]

Star Ice soap seems to give a wrong or misnamed buff

[warm saddle]

Nope that’s correct, it gets the same buff that TD soaps get

[rough salmon]

🧐

Can't you just make a duplicate spell for correct naming?

[warm saddle]

I named the TD soap buffs off of colour and the baths of vvardenfell soaps get those same buffs, I could change the tooltip text for the baths of vvardenfell soaps but that gets a bit messy

Maybe but that might also get messy bc it’s all suffixes and there are like 25 different buffs already for baths

[rough salmon]

I got food poisoning from a boiled egg :(

And a fried egg too :(((

Also I think I got Green Pact from eating these eggs

Also I noticed that it's hard to get the habit of sleeping in the day when you have Nighttime Service Refusal installed :<

[warm saddle]

Hmm

That’s strange

What’s the item ID?

[rough salmon]

Maybe it didn't get boiled enough

[warm saddle]

xD

Nah I’m thinking I might’ve misread it as blighted egg bc there are a few of those

[rough salmon]

o_boilegg
o_friedegg

[warm saddle]

Hmm

What mod are those from?

[rough salmon]

Expanded Loot

[warm saddle]

And yeah with night refusal services it’s hard to get night owl, though you only have to sleep anytime between 7am and 7 pm or so, which gives you time to do shopping and whatnot during the day

There’s also a speech buff on night owl which makes raising disposition a little easier if you have night service refusal

[rough salmon]

Maybe I was sleeping too rarely (only when my sleepiness dips to less than 50%), but I didn't get sleep habit a single time

[warm saddle]

Hmm

Are you sleeping at around the same time every day?

[rough salmon]

Not every day - that's for sure

[warm saddle]

That would be why then haha

[warm saddle]

I checked on this and I'm pretty sure your food and drink .txts haven't been updated recently

[rough salmon]

🤔

[charred tide]

Blame the publican

[rough salmon]

But I'm running latest 1.5.8 version...

Oh

The expanded loot patch got merged into the main mod

and I was running this

[warm saddle]

All good haha, yeah I think the .txts loaded in those separate files would overwrite the ones in the file

[proven nymph]

what was it?

[warm saddle]

When you rest, the abilities are removed so that the stats aren’t taken into account when leveling up, but NCG doesn’t use a level-up screen so it was still using the sun’s dusk abilities when leveling

[warm saddle]

So true

The creators of that mod are scrambling rn to make it compatible with ashfall or something to do half of the shit I do haha

[wraith berry]

Lmao, comfortable at physics breaking temperatures 🤣

[warm saddle]

0.o

Mind changing going into environmental settings, changing your debug mode to “trace” and then hovering over that tooltip again ?

[half summit]

lots of information about climate would be nice to have in game

[gloomy mango]

I personally would like the books to be written in the style of faction favoured skills dialogue. E.g. the player infers the mechanical meaning from the in-world written explanation.

[rotund epoch]

Yeah. If it's too "gamey", then it shouldn't be a book but mod documentation/tooltips in settings.

[little haven]

i'd like the books to be written in dwemeris

[half summit]

that would be hilarious, with dwemer blueprint schematics of hand towels and soap

[plush shale]

why not rewrite them in ancient latin with accurate wordplay?

[little haven]

you can get them in latin once you go see my boy Yagrum

[warm saddle]

Was not expecting cooking to be the most popular

I have needs and temperature done so far, I was gonna release one or two at a time bc it's ... a Lot but it seems to be important to ppl haha

[warm saddle]

Over 4500 words so far

[plush shale]

i come from minecraft. lemme tell you, there's no joy like making a fantastic dish

[half summit]

wow thats a lot, i guess if i had never played with SD then i would appreciate the diegetic info but damn..

just finish now with [the rest of book has been damaged beyond legibilty]

[sour leaf]

I will say, the upcoming feature that I'm most excited for is hardcoded recipes lol

[warm saddle]

Haha I mean it's not something you're supposed to read through all at once or anything, mostly just to keep you from having to read the mod description or something

Or keep from asking me questions

[half summit]

jokes on you i cant read

youll need to get Stephen Frybot to explain things to me

nah in fairness its going to be really cool, i would definitely like to help with images if you need it

[warm saddle]

Yeah I have a few shoddy images for bookart but more would be great, i have just a few per book but more would be better. Don't need to add more right now tho, i'll be improving on the books over time so feel free to send art whenever

[half summit]

yeah sure no hassles, if i come up with something ill pass it your way👍

[rotund epoch]

Mofos want a cook book

[plush shale]

i love cooking. it makes me happy.

[warm saddle]

Y'all want me to upload the update as soon as I'm done testing or should i wait for ownlyme to wake up in a few hours? 🧐

[gloomy mango]

No rush, I don’t clock out for another 7 hours 😅

[rough salmon]

We'll wait

[warm saddle]

Sure thing haha

Also working on putting the code on gitlab

[rough salmon]

either way we can always update mid-playthrough

[warm saddle]

Not this time around 😈 new games only

jk jk haha

[rough salmon]

SD fell off...

[warm saddle]

Although a few books were placed in the census and excise office but if you already went through chargen then they're just added to your inventory

Eventually I'll have shopkeepers restock them all and a few other things but that's what's in place for now

Pretty hyped tho, this is my fav update yet

It signifies that I have all the features from all the Skyrim mods I wanted

Also we now have something big that Ashfall doesn’t have >:)

[hearty knot]

Hell yeah

OpenMW supremacy

[warm saddle]

Tired of the Todd’s engine enjoyers tryna flex on us

[proven nymph]

nooo I just started a new game

[warm saddle]

You’re fine haha

[proven nymph]

also something cool would be to unify the crafting recipes a bit for camping, the ones by @half summit and the ones that are included in SD... (the SD included ones don't use wildcards for example, and have no level requirement)
And use more types of leather etc

I might do that

[warm saddle]

The camping equipment from that mod is permanent and can be reused whereas SD’s can’t which is why it’s cheaper

But if you have better ideas for recipes yeah feel free or just lmk

[half summit]

yeah likewise im always happy to hear crafting ideas

[proven nymph]

I mean the obvious thing that I noticed is

• that the SD recipes don't use wildcards so they are actually harder to make, even though the level requirement is lower. Easy fix: use the "any leather", "any pillow" wildcards also in the SD recipes
• and I'd like to use some tanning mechanics, because most of the survival recipes use leather. (should be "any leather") - I think racerplume has some tanning racks, would be cool to interop with them somehow

[gloomy mango]

Well if you're ever looking for work stealing MWSE exclusives please see attached 😄 https://discord.com/channels/260439894298460160/1450571839561666681

[warm saddle]

The reason I don’t do wildcards is bc the existing wildcards are from other mods and I didn’t feel like making a new one that wouldn’t overwrite the others haha, although I guess I could make one at any point
Yeah I plan on doing some kind of tanning mechanics but it’ll be tricky without having TD and OAAB and I also don’t plan on doing any crazy stuff with crafting anytime soon since it won’t ever be a requirement

[proven nymph]

aye I agree 👍 should probably really be separate

[proven nymph]

actually idea:
recipes for the tanning instruments for ashlander crafting

[half summit]

oh yeah good call i saw that one but forgot about it

[half summit]

have you tried Hunterwind?

[proven nymph]

also hunterwind really needs some in-game documentation

[half summit]

true

[proven nymph]

like books (nudge nudge)

but I'll stop spamming this chat with unrelated stuff now

[rough salmon]

Btw did you add a OAAB towels support?

[gloomy mango]

You should totally add drying support for when the player bumps into Khajiit NPCs and their fur absorbs all the moisture 🧠

[warm saddle]

Yeah I missed a few of them 💀 but got them this update

[rough salmon]

Also this thing is empty

[warm saddle]

Hmm

Alright yeah it should be ok for me to take out

[hearty knot]

Man, I hate to be that guy but... why does being wet drain my speed even as an Argonian? 😄

I feel like that's not right

[sour leaf]

Being wet should make you faster on certain surfaces

But also increase your changes of randomly falling over and hurting yourself

[warm saddle]

You right haha

You can disable the wetness debuff but yeah I’ll fix that

[rotund epoch]

good point!

[rotund epoch]

which ones?

[sour leaf]

Slippery ones

[rotund epoch]

you won't move faster tbh

in fact

you will move slower

because you need to keep balance

[sour leaf]

Maybe you just slide around randomly

[rotund epoch]

try running on ice 😄

you can slide, sure

[sour leaf]

Like the Billy Joel song?

[rotund epoch]

but you definitely can't run as fast as on hard ground

[sour leaf]

True

[rotund epoch]

come to think of it, variable running speed depending on surface would be quite cool

not sure how feasible

not sure whether we have enough variety of surfaces in-game to warrant such a feature as well

but we have snow, ice, ash...

[sour leaf]

Hyacinth you don’t have to add this lmao

[warm saddle]

I think landscape texture can be detected with lua so it would be possible I think

[sour leaf]

I was making a joke but now it’s getting serious lmao

[rotund epoch]

that's how legends are born

son

[warm saddle]

But don’t worry, I’ll add that after I add durability for clothes ;)

[rotund epoch]

first you say sth funny while drinking

then it turns into a serious idea

then somebody implements that

that's how we gain peak MW experience

[warm saddle]

Yes

[rotund epoch]

to be fair, I've always wanted more realistic snow. I know that somebody is working on "physics" but even just a movement debuff (and a chance to fall on ice) would be cool

even Skyrim has jack shit here

it's just a texture

no mechanics

[sour leaf]

I will say, walking slower through snow would be cool

[rotund epoch]

I remember an old mod which actually added a chance to fall down when walking on ice

https://youtu.be/q-cOvd5FZC8?si=9oh-Bdu7zJnLYYpa&t=71 Morrowind in

[sour leaf]

What is the 2090 meme referring to btw? I always thought it was about Project Tamriel

[rotund epoch]

btw I will laugh my ass off if TES6 has flat sand texture (Skyrim's snow replaced with Hammerfell's sand)

[rotund epoch]

I think it's about very distant TR/PT releases. More broadly - OMW releases as well

spell dehardcoding in