Sun's Dusk: Needs & Survival

[rotund epoch]

Lol

[sour leaf]

I know the towns are scaled down from how they would actually be but the concept of bath houses feels like a very "big city" thing to me

[rotund epoch]

Khuul and Hla Oad are shitty towns lore-wise as well

Def no bath-houses

[sour leaf]

Yeah exactly

[half summit]

just go swimming in fat leg's hole

[sour leaf]

in his what?!?

[half summit]

you heard

[sour leaf]

I also feel like the bath houses feel more special and luxurious when there's fewer of them

[rotund epoch]

Villagers would bath themselves in the sea and rivers. It's what people would often do.

[sour leaf]

Yeah that makes sense

[rotund epoch]

Other folks would have washtubs

[half summit]

it should be an occasion when you make it to the big city all filthy after long travrl

[sour leaf]

Yeah exactly

[rotund epoch]

In manors, for example

[sour leaf]

Like a spa

[rotund epoch]

Yeah, it's actually immersive that countryside is dirtier

Odai can be full of shit but there would be a bath-house in the Temple at least

[sour leaf]

I feel like it makes sense that Balmora, Vivec, Suran, Ald-Ruhn, Maar Gan, Gnisis, Molag Mar, and the Telvanni settlements would have them

Suran's could be in the House of Earthly Delights 👀

[half summit]

tbh I was surprised it wasn't. I saw a model for a dancing girl in the Cs and assumed

[rotund epoch]

I bet that the Imperials use bath-houses. The question is whether the towns/forts on Vvardenfell are big/notable enough for this.

Ebonheart, I guess

[sour leaf]

They should since they're Roman inspired lol

[half summit]

yeah

[sour leaf]

You could probably stick the door in the forts somewhere

At least the larger forts

Ebonheart, Pelagiad

[rotund epoch]

Yeah it would be easy

Underground in all cases

[sour leaf]

It doesn't have to make total sense placement wise. Half of the Vivec ones dont lol

[rotund epoch]

It's better if it makes sense

[sour leaf]

I agree but whatever lol

[rotund epoch]

Doesn't feel like

You know

A mod

[sour leaf]

Another idea for a mud bath-like one, maybe a hotspring somewhere

[rotund epoch]

Another thing is that bath-houses need to added to TR places or it won't feel consistent

Yet again it's the easiest with underground lvls as you don't have to touch exteriors

[sour leaf]

I think he's already planning to do that

[half summit]

yeah once I smooth out the main bugs I'm gonna be lookin for spots on the mainland. anvil needs a proper roman bath if it doesn't already

[sour leaf]

Yeah addons for TR, PC, and SHOTN would be sick

Im trying to decide if solstheim should have one

[half summit]

nords just get a hole in the ice

[sour leaf]

That reminds me @half summit , the door to the bath in Mournhold is like, half covered by a roof last time I checked

[half summit]

very compatible if its just a dude by a cliff

[sour leaf]

Honestly yeah lol

[sour leaf]

Naked dude with an axe by a cliff as a reference to that one video

https://tenor.com/view/viking-man-leaps-ice-water-gif-12813214525354223849

[rotund epoch]

Well, until bath-houses are in all the logical or at least semi-logical places, the system will feel weird. Look at KCD. There is plenty of infrastructure to support cleaning and washing yourselves.

[sour leaf]

Should I buy KCD or should I actually play Morrowind first lmao

I've been fucking with this modlist since March. I've started and stopped like 5 playthroughs

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

KCD1 is a 100+ hrs game and same for KCD2

[sour leaf]

Ugh

That sounds good but also bad

I cant get sucked into that lol

And I know I will

[half summit]

yup

[sour leaf]

One thing that's nice about PT/TR mods is barely any mods touch them so you usually dont have to worry about conflicts

[rotund epoch]

https://youtube.com/shorts/IP1syEYyyeU?si=ayOfVz2yrC216NGa always better with sound

[sour leaf]

I know a lot of mods have TR patches but most of them don't like, add new things

[rotund epoch]

Yeah.

Some player houses

That's it

[sour leaf]

Speaking of which, I love this mod. Such a little thing but super immersive
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/55731

[rotund epoch]

It's probably because the devs change stuff all the time so other modders don't want to bother

[sour leaf]

This would go well with hyacinth's eventual religion mod

[sour leaf]

Yeah true

Even if it doesnt cause conflicts, any new settlement that gets added means the mod has to be updated usually

Im temped to make a "temple throat singers on the mainland" addon to the throat singers mod. I just dont have the energy lol.

And then I'll have to keep it up to date with each update

[rotund epoch]

There is a throat singing mod?

[half summit]

yeah it's pretty cool

[sour leaf]

Yeah its one of my favs

Makes the temples feel more weird and unsettling

[rotund epoch]

Hmm

[sour leaf]

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/51807

They heal you and disable teleportation if you stand too close

It feels very Dune

[rotund epoch]

Seems cool but video is not working

[half summit]

yeah, Its really well done, I'm not sold on it though just because I feel like it would be better elsewhere like not a dunmer thing for some reason

like Elsweyr

[sour leaf]

Yeah I go back and forth on this mod or sermons and preachers

[half summit]

yeah i love S&P too much

[rotund epoch]

This reminded me of the bagpipe scene . Damn, I wish Gurney Halleck sang and played the baliset more in the movie.

[sour leaf]

It's really cool

[sour leaf]

That's another mod I want to expand on. Add them to more temples and to the mainland

[half summit]

Nice! yeah someone tried it before but it was buggy

[rotund epoch]

Speaking of throat singing, I LOVE Attila TW main theme https://youtu.be/dh9HI4eudR8?si=t2QjH5Zg8UazCyw0

[sour leaf]

I took a look at that one and it didn't function the same way as the OG mod at all it seemed

[half summit]

yeah

[sour leaf]

Like it was playing the sermons in random caves and stuff

[sour leaf]

That might be the next thing I work on because I love S&P but its kind of a shame that its only 3 temples

[half summit]

if hyacinths making a religion mod next maybe it could be made work together so you have to get to temple on time and listen to the full sermon

[sour leaf]

Ooooh

I like that

Maybe Ill work on that later this week

[half summit]

yeeyee

[sour leaf]

We had our last release of the year on Friday so work should be slowing down

[half summit]

very blessed

[sour leaf]

Not blessed enough

Not until I get this sermons and preachers expansion made

[rotund epoch]

I think I saw a religion mod for MSWE

And for Skyrim

[sour leaf]

Yeah that does exist iirc

[warm saddle]

Maybe for TR but moving them into interiors excludes localisations

(ownlyme plays on german)

Although i would love temple bath houses even if they all magically teleport to the same one, there’s a mod that adds temple bathhouses to balmora and Vivec which i really like since it fits dunmer culture more thematically (where lore is concerned), like historically im thinking Roman and Byzantine empire had their bathhouses in temples since bathing and cleaning was a religious thing

Skyrim mods usually do it by adding a little hatch, like the little trapdoors you see, to inns

[warm saddle]

Kinda hoping someone else picks up on that like the wells since it’s a huge undertaking, not to mention SHOTN and PC

I’d love to see what Indoril bathhouses look like though, it would be beautiful

[warm saddle]

Yeah I’ll be doing something with that, making some water statics eligible for bathing
Is why i added the requirement (or maybe that’s with my next update ?) that you only need to be wet (and wearing clothes if you have the setting) to bathe, mostly for convenience since all you need to do is spam a well

[warm saddle]

Would love that tbh, someone did the Vivec preachers for the mainland which I’m very thankful for since i tried to do it myself and it was a nightmare

[warm saddle]

There will indeed be things like that

[sour leaf]

The preachers on the mainland mod is pretty broken

[warm saddle]

Ah damn that sucks

[sour leaf]

I’m tempted to remake it

I want to expand the S&P mod to more temples besides the 3

Might as well do a TR addon while I’m at it

[warm saddle]

Yeah but it seems kinda lackluster imo, mine would definitely be different (and better)

[warm saddle]

Oh there is one that does way more already ? Or at least the one i use

[sour leaf]

“The S&P vanilla edit” by Von Django’s only has 3 locations

[warm saddle]

Oh damn

Hmm

I didn’t know that

Anyway i would love that mod haha

[sour leaf]

Yeah it’s just Balmora, Gnisis, and Ald-Ruhn

[warm saddle]

Yeah also i remember looking at the pray mod and being like ehhhh

Mine will be less “ritualistic” and more about praying and doing actions to gain abilities, also I’d def make a version so that it’s displayed on your character sheet

[sour leaf]

The Throat singers mod covers all of the temples Inthink

[sour leaf]

Have you seen the candle mod for TR?

[warm saddle]

Much more like this mod https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/22506

[warm saddle]

Nope 👀

[sour leaf]

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/55731

I meant to say PC

[warm saddle]

Aww i like that

Yeah good idea

[sour leaf]

It’s got a little animation for the coin going into the box as well

Really cute mod

[warm saddle]

Yeah I’ll take a look then, I’m gonna do a playthrough and work on the dynamic needs + weather mod at the same time but I’m def brainstorming for the religion mod, hoping to have something even if it’s basic before the end of the year

[sour leaf]

You work hard haha

[warm saddle]

Probably will make sun’s dusk a requirement at least initially bc i don’t feel like creating identical APIs haha

[warm saddle]

Disability + unemployment 💪

[sour leaf]

I feel like a lot of people will use them in tandem

[sour leaf]

Well there ya go

[warm saddle]

Yeah I’ll have UI integration and a few other bits of integration too

(Probably)

[sour leaf]

I think I mentioned fasting could be a thing

[warm saddle]

Yeah i’m going to bake that into sun’s dusk i believe but yours get most of the benefits when using the religion mod

[sour leaf]

Oooh

[warm saddle]

Most of the benefits won’t be buffs (like skills + attributes) but more like powers

[sour leaf]

Sounds exciting

[warm saddle]

But yeah i mean it’s not much different from what we do in sun’s dusk, create an entirely made up variable and add and remove abilities based on the value of that variable

We even added a handler for it to make it even more streamlined from our end

Btw, we have almost as many handlers as the engine

I think we have … 21 or 22 at this point ? Openmw has 30

[sour leaf]

What the hell lol

[warm saddle]

Which is why adding API + support for modders to do their own things with our API like ashfall has will be … a process haha

I’ve already done a few things such as what I did for timehud and will likely chip away at it over time

I exposed the important things with temperature, if mym wanted to he could do things with that, such as reducing xp or skill gain in extreme temperatures

Blurpanda and skrow could also do stealth things with temperature, such as increasing or decreasing sneak things while in certain temperatures or weathers or something, idk

I haven’t exposed the variables for when the player equips armor types and certain kinds of gear but it’s very handy to have around if anyone wanted it

Not to mention starwind <_> tbh it would be easier if s3ctor gave me things to hard-code until i dehardcode the sun’s dusk API more

Btw I mentioned this in the other discord server but if there are features from ashfall y’all liked just lmk, I never played it or looked at merlord’s code and am still doing my own thing but yeah idk what people are used to and have used before

[warm saddle]

Just allowing one for now so that I’ll go in order of popularity

Won’t do all of them at a time, probably will chip at them per update

[warm saddle]

Crafting recipes it is

[half summit]

that was a tough choice

[warm saddle]

Haha well I’ll be chipping away at them, I’ll create a new poll after I do recipes

[hearty knot]

yayyyy!

what crafting recipes, anyway? 😄

[warm saddle]

Soap, tents, bedrolls, redware flask, torches

There are a few other things but I think dubious has recipes for them already

Eventually I’ll do much more integration with the crafting framework and could do things like ashfall has (aside from cooking, that’s already covered) but the crafting framework needs some love first and I’ve been keeping its mod creators occupied haha

[stark ice]

и

[hearty knot]

Btw, just to clarify how cleanliness works, do you get dirty walking/swimming in swampy areas like Seyda Neen?

[warm saddle]

Only when you’re swimming in scum, I haven’t done dirty water yet but I will when I do saltwater and suspicious water ;)

But yeah I had to figure something out for the draggle tail hut haha since that house is right on scum, I forget if it’s in the current version or the update

Also, it looks like we’re getting a washbasin

[sour leaf]

What sort of integration will it have with CF? Outside of just recipes?

[warm saddle]

It’s just recipes for now, CF needs a little love before I could do the kind of crafting that Ashfall has, it would be completely optional though and would never be a requirement

[sour leaf]

What is the crafting like in Ashfall?

[warm saddle]

I think there’s bushcrafting and crafting supplies and customising your tent, idk though I’d have to research but that’s quite a bit away

Neither of us want to get anywhere near the CF API ever again haha but eventually we’ll have to rework it anyway

[sour leaf]

Oh yeah that’s neat

[warm saddle]

Yeah it’s cool, or I’d do something like campfire from Skyrim

[sour leaf]

What’s that mod like?

[warm saddle]

Perks will almost certainly definitely work like campfire

[sour leaf]

Ooh

[warm saddle]

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/667

[sour leaf]

Oh this mod is hella cool

[warm saddle]

Yeah I think it’s almost a requirement for frostfall these days but I forget, but yeah it always makes its way into my modlist

I’d probably do tea brewing with a CF rework too

[sour leaf]

I haven’t played Skyrim in awhile

[rotund epoch]

Don't worry. Knowing Todd, there will be a remaster in a year or so

[sour leaf]

Skyrim app

RDR is an app now lmao

[rotund epoch]

Well, nowadays you can play Cyberpunk on a gameboy

[sour leaf]

Can you actually

[rotund epoch]

Sorry, it's called Switch

[sour leaf]

Have you guys seen the Morrowind gameboy project

It’s pretty neat

[half summit]

it's not a gameboy! it's a gameMAN 😎

[hearty knot]

A great classic. I could never get over the perk tree UI, though. Almost all Skyrim mods just use basic textboxes, which I hate much more, so the fact that this mod rises above that is good, but man... I really don't like it when mods feel mod-y, and the UI is often the culprit. I'm sure modding Skyrim's UI is really hard or whatever, but seeing an amazing mod ruin its UX by burying all the options in nested textboxes just kills me every time

The fact that to access the perk trees, you have to put up the campfire and then they show up mid-air... meh.

[vernal marsh]

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/57615 exists and has a permissive license

[hearty knot]

Oooh, this looks nice

The UI actually looks like it was designed to work with the mod

Great job!

[half summit]

yeah its killer. someone make some more perks already!

tbf it looks like it could be fun way to learn lua

[hearty knot]

I feel like you're insinuating something

[half summit]

doit

tbh I was talking about myself

but I do really want to see people add some funky perks

[mild crystal]

would love to create traits gained through gameplay and exploration

[half summit]

is there a way to set the waterskin as a lidded container? I keep spilling mine

[grizzled flume]

Perk idea - aquifer: wetness gives positive effects rather than negative, making spilling water and being more wet viable

🤷🏾‍♂️

[rough salmon]

that's called "being a farm tool"

[grizzled flume]

😂😂

[warm saddle]

I thought I did

You can disable spilling water in the thirst settings now

[warm saddle]

That already exists, Argonians restore thirst while swimming and in the rain

Although the farming tool perk is giving them temp bonuses in the mines and on plantations

Had to balance that out because the first racial ability is op

[strong plover]

how does well-nourished even work? green pact is easy to get, but well-nourished seems to be so damn elusive

[warm saddle]

So it’s supposed to work like this iNeed mechanic for Varied Diet:

In addition, the Wellness buff gives you a bonus to Health dependent on your overall well-being. Stay healthy and over time this bonus will increase. Neglect your needs and this bonus will eventually decrease. Maintaining a Varied Diet gives you a bonus to Stamina and Magicka, which can also increase/decrease over time depending on the food you eat.

Although max magicka and stamina are broken in vanilla morrowind and I didn’t want to touch regen with lua so it’s just a flat buff. But yeah that’s kinda what I’m going for, although you’re right in that it’s elusive and I haven’t seen it for a while either so there might be something borken or I’ll make it easier to get

[rotund epoch]

Now you will be able to play Skyrim on Gameboy 2. Turns out that Todd did, in fact, release Skyrim again.

[hearty knot]

Perk idea: being dirty can actually increase your disposition with the opposite sex or same race.

Inspired by KCD

[rotund epoch]

Animal Magnetism

[warm saddle]

Lmfao, pheromones?

[hearty knot]

Yep

[warm saddle]

Love it

Hmm

Maybe if you’re not trudging around in sewers or whatever, but possibly in between the time you bathe and a day or two before you get your common disease 🧐

[half summit]

I can't with this.. its too much

[warm saddle]

Sorry for the essays someone is arguing with me on the internet

Tbh all of the comments from bathing so far have been positive which I’m kinda surprised about, bathing mods are usually niche and def aren’t as popular as regular survival mods and I was kinda iffy about enabling it as default but people like it

[half summit]

hyenas at the door

[ripe anvil]

Goddamn

For just a soap

[warm saddle]

I mean the game has been out for over 20 years, everyone has their own different idea and interpretation of lore and whatnot

Even just making Vvardenfell a volcanic, tropical island was controversial among some people even though I quoted one of the first books you receive during the main quest

[half summit]

if you really want to piss them off you could qoute this ESO book that states it makes a good cleanser https://www.imperial-library.info/content/further-notes-sload

[warm saddle]

ESO isn’t lore though

I might add a setting though just for the meme haha

I mean I could make any ingredient or misc item into something to bathe with but idfk what is better than an item with soap in the name

Guess you could use ash salts to exfoliate

[half summit]

people saying its not soap because its gross dont understand what soap is

you never see fight club?

[ripe anvil]

Isn't tr not aligned to vanilla Morrowind lore?

Or non canon*

[warm saddle]

Oh yeah TR is very aligned to Morrowind lore and tbh TR makes Vvardenfell feel like a mod but I still wanted people playing on vanilla to have something to bathe with too

[warm saddle]

A long time ago haha

[half summit]

very different things

canon isnt aligned with morrowind lore

[half summit]

they make their own soap out human fat

from liposuction clinics

[warm saddle]

Very cursed

[half summit]

indeed. soap is wierd stuff

[warm saddle]

Eventually I’ll add recipes for soap

No idea what to do about sload soap with vanilla ingredients though

The TD ones are easy enough, I even named the buffs after the ingredients I’d use

[half summit]

i would draw the line at recipe for sload soap, just because im working on a mod about sourcing sload tadpoles

[warm saddle]

Word haha I’ll save it for your mod then

I know that TD and OAAB add tons of sload items

I always put them on aryon’s desk

[half summit]

tbf itll be a while so its all good really

yeah i saw the sload oil, thats an interesting one

[warm saddle]

Yeah there’s everything the sload vendors sell too

I always load up and give them to aryon xD

[half summit]

oh yeah i forgot that has a bunch of alchemy stuff too. is that unique to the sload mod?

[warm saddle]

Don’t think so but I forget

[hearty knot]

You know you've made something great when the only thing people have to criticize is your choice of soap 🙂

[warm saddle]

You know you have something great when people don’t complain about the UI

That was my biggest thing tbh, I mean ownlyme’s best mods are all UI mods and people constantly find things wrong with how it looks, some of them are fair tbh but I’m like cmon the man is working miracles here xD not knowing that the lua API for UI is usually the most tedious part of any mod

Timehud is easy to add to and I don’t mind taking suggestions for it but I think it took us longer to do the main UI widget for this mod than all of the mechanics for the modules combined

But yeah fr no kidding haha I’m very happy people aren’t complaining

But that’s also why the different kinds of water is tricky to do, everyone has different ideas about what should be clean/dirty water so I’m just gonna add a fuck ton of settings ahead of time so that people can choose what they want

[rotund epoch]

you know what that soap is made of, right? 😄

it's... gross

[warm saddle]

https://www.imperial-library.info/content/further-notes-sload
courtesy of dubious

I’ll probably add a setting just for the meme

[rotund epoch]

😂

[warm saddle]

Yup

[rotund epoch]

HERESY

[warm saddle]

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321

[warm saddle]

We be picking and choosing lore out here now

Nah idc haha

[rotund epoch]

well, yeah, it's pick and choose after TES3 tbh

[warm saddle]

I mean like I said if someone wants to find me a better vanilla item I’m all for it but idk why I wouldn’t use an item that has soap in the name regardless of what the lore says

[rotund epoch]

I mean, TES5 doesn't matter for TES3

and ESO even less

[warm saddle]

Just … don’t think about it I guess

[rotund epoch]

I'm not against using the soap btw

[warm saddle]

Yeah but I gave orcs a cooking buff

[warm saddle]

I know haha

[rotund epoch]

just a small flavour thing. They are not the only one

[warm saddle]

I figure you’re just piling onto the sload soap meme

[rotund epoch]

Also, you played Skyrim first, right?

[warm saddle]

Yeah it was my first elder scrolls game

[rotund epoch]

good to start with a worse game and then find a gold-mine that Morrowind is

[warm saddle]

Hence why I’m bringing Skyrim mods to morrowind haha

[rotund epoch]

have you tried Oblivion?

[warm saddle]

I tried for like 20 minutes but eh

[rotund epoch]

haha

[warm saddle]

I’m like I’d rather just play morrowind

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/aloy-i-know-gif-24946980

TES4 is the worst out of the "new" ones IMO

I think that Skyrim has far better atmosphere

TES4 seems to be like... the middle child

[warm saddle]

And combat tbh imo xD

[rotund epoch]

NPC conversations were the best 😅

[warm saddle]

But yeah when I played Skyrim Dragonborn was my favourite DLC just because of Redoran solstheim and obviously Neloth and the Telvanni, my playthrough earlier this year I spent most of my time on solstheim and was lol hmmm I should probably try out Morrowind xD

[rotund epoch]

the game (Oblivion) has a certain AI gen feel, lol

[warm saddle]

I watched my brother play a bit of oblivion yeah haha the NPCs were … something else haha

[rotund epoch]

and that was before AI was widely used

[warm saddle]

Ikr

[rotund epoch]

they tried nostalgia bait in TES4 as well with Shivering Isles expansion. Guess what? It was good

[warm saddle]

The glitches in Skyrim are hilarious though, too bad openmw makes the game playable and safe from Todd’s glitches

[rotund epoch]

they went with weird instead of generic in SI

[rotund epoch]

NPCs can still get stuck on rocks etc.

[warm saddle]

At least there’s a mod that lets them levitate

Shoutout to when I couldn’t finish the main Skyrim quest because paarthanax just fucking spiraled up and down in the sky and fell and died

But yeah I like Skyrim a lot, it’s just a completely different game genre imo, action adventure instead of a “traditional” rpg

[rotund epoch]

I've got to admit that Skyrim modding is crazy

and ofc Chad Todd is a genius again because he let the modders fix the game

just give the tools

and wait

https://tenor.com/view/genius-think-be-clever-be-smart-gif-10617231

[half summit]

when asked what mods todd likes he instantly said "UI mods"

[rotund epoch]

yeah because his UI has too much console stuff

so modders have to fix this

[half summit]

ui is hard dude...

[warm saddle]

At least Skyrim has SKSE and Sky UI

I be missing those (I play on console)

[hearty knot]

There's a special place in heaven for people who make UI, map and journal mods

Such an understated part of the game, but you spend so much time looking at these things

I appreciate a good UI mod much more than a retexture I will see only twice over my entire playthrough

[warm saddle]

Many blessings, sera

And yeah my thoughts exactly

[hearty knot]

Actually, since I mentioned the journal, do we have a really good mod for writing your own notes?

[warm saddle]

Timehud is probably one of my favorite UI mods tbh, I love being able to see the time without having to open the wait menu

[warm saddle]

I think there’s this https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/53977 but I haven’t tried it out myself

[warm saddle]

Also I enjoy judging people based on the UI mods they use

[rotund epoch]

I want sth like that as well. There is Scribo now. I had performance issues with it. They were supposedly fixed but I didn't test it.

[warm saddle]

No Timehud, Sun’s dusk or better bars = opinion invalid

[rotund epoch]

I don't use better bars but shhhh

Nobody needs to know

[warm saddle]

Yeah but you use the other mods so it’s ok

And apparently it looks like being able to click + drag a UI widget is going to be standard for any UI mod these days

[half summit]

theres also this
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/57583

i havent had an issue with it but it conflicts with travs books 😔

[rough salmon]

well, I would've complained about tooltips not looking vanilla enough (too small padding, wrong outline)
but it seems to be reoccurring issue with ownlyme's mods

maybe not an issue, but a thing

[rough salmon]

Scribo (but it's incompatible with Trav's Books Enhanced)

[warm saddle]

Yeah ownlyme has his own aesthetic, I kinda wish there was a way to make some of the UIs more vanilla (I don’t use vanilla UIs) but some things definitely look out of place for those who do haha

[rough salmon]

my personal suggestion would be
write everything phisycally yourself

like in the good 'ol days

[half summit]

i dont mind so much about Travs but The Scriptorium looks so nice

[warm saddle]

For those who want to RP as a writer there’s this though https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/52034

[rough salmon]

but it's more about RP than actually writing your own notes

[warm saddle]

I was kinda surprised to see the firmament have new book art, idk how I feel about some of them since I have like 4 mods that add bookart but I haven’t played with it enough to have a solid opinion

He’s doing almsivi’s work by trying to fix trav’s mod although the update helped a bit

Ownlyme had his hands in that mod too, he helped with the Daedric “text”

[half summit]

yeah my books look pretty good already and fairly consistant which is more important to me. anyway i alwasy listen to the audiobook version these days haha

[warm saddle]

Yeah same haha although I have so many book mods that add books without an audiobook but I might create an audiobook UI 👀

[rough salmon]

audioubook ui... like... it will display book's text?..

I'm really hyped for Kart's codex, btw

@warm saddle do you plan to incorporate it for SD? so we could have all the info right inside the game

[warm saddle]

Probably not although that’s a good idea, I’m thinking it would just have a pause, play, and rewind / fast forward buttons

(At least at first)

[warm saddle]

I’m writing an in-game book with all the info

Although a way to skip around chapters would be nice, no idea how to go about that though but it might be possible with trav’s books

[rough salmon]

just make multiple different books 🧐

[warm saddle]

That’s a good idea haha

Not sure how all to organise it though 🧐

[rough salmon]

first explain each need and it's effects on their own
and then their interactions maybe?

[hearty knot]

Well I don't want to do it physically cause I can't read my own handwriting

Lol

I use Steam Notes right now but I'd like something a bit more immersive

[rough salmon]

good opportunity to improve it

[hearty knot]

Yeah but... My PC is in a dark corner and I don't want to turn the light on just for the notes

[warm saddle]

True tbh

[rough salmon]

looking at the monitor in the dark is bad for your eyes 🧐

[hearty knot]

Not THAT dark

[warm saddle]

Hmm

I guess ownlyme has an interface for typing

Typing, highlighting and deleting

When he goes through his withdrawals for making a new UI I’ll mention it to him

[hearty knot]

ownly he can do it

[rotund epoch]

I don't like using physical notes. It's more immersive to do it in-game.

[mild crystal]

lol I was going to mention this when I first found this thread

it does look like a typical bar of soap to be fair!

[sour leaf]

Diamonds

[warm saddle]

Same mesh as dubious’s bathhouse mod soaps haha, just differently coloured texture

I think I’m gonna add a setting just for the meme

[rough salmon]

Based

[warm saddle]

Also, someone in the other discord server mentioned something about doing something like this

[rotund epoch]

It's Ashfall

[warm saddle]

Definitely no bars but the armor + text and whatnot

Yeah I know haha

[rough salmon]

That would be neat to see

[warm saddle]

It would be a separate mod bc making a UI in sun’s dusk is cursed at this point, but yeah it would just be text with that info

[rotund epoch]

As we all know, SD is not Ashfall... but it's OMW Ashfall 😉

I'm joking but I'm not surprised that people want similar features

[warm saddle]

I mean I understand it for sure, I’d love to put food/drink values and armor stats on tooltips

But yeah they mentioned there’s no easy way to get that info unless you jack up the debug settings for environment but then you get this huge wall of text which I agree with

I’d just have to think about the best way to go about it and not sure if it’s something that people want or if it’s very niche xD

[half summit]

couldn't help myself 😅

[warm saddle]

I saw haha

[rotund epoch]

Warmth/Coverage (or similar) display would be nice. You can always make a poll 😅

[rotund epoch]

Dude will stop using soap now

[warm saddle]

True haha

I’ll probably end up doing it, it would take me an hour or two at most to do
The hardest part would be finding the variables in SD that I need to expose

[warm saddle]

But yeah I like the text info on the screen, that Timehud update was

But yeah literally anything to keep me away from trying to dehardcode water and refilling

The only mod I can think of that turns a generated item into another generated item is crafting framework and I still have no idea how ownlyme did that

[faint siren]

What is there not to know...?

You make one record using another as the template. Das it. Generated or not is completely unrelated.

[warm saddle]

Using a generated item as a template ?

[faint siren]

Yea.

I'm not aware there's a distinction on any level other than the record ids

transmog can do it, and GRIP will too, all the records it uses are made on the fly, so that'll included enchanted items etc

The common solution of checking record ids will definitely fall apart with generated objects, you'll often have to keep a map of what old records map to new ones

local function generateReplacementIds()
    for _, soulGemName in ipairs(soulGemNames) do
        local soulGemReplacements = {}

        local originalRecord = MiscRecords[soulGemName]

        for _, soulGemVariant in ipairs(soulGemVariants) do
            local newRecord = world.createRecord(CreateMiscDraft {
                template = originalRecord,
                model = formatString:format(soulGemVariant, soulGemName)
            })

            soulGemReplacements[soulGemVariant] = newRecord.id
        end

        ReplacementMap[soulGemName] = soulGemReplacements
    end
end

You can do like this, and then use ReplacementMap in the onSave/onLoad

[warm saddle]

Yeah I think there’s already something in place for fetching the original record IDs but yeah this will help (I hope)

Refilling water + generating vessel records is spread across at least 3 different files I did the templates and the table that like, sets spawn rates and whatnot but haven’t dug any deeper than that

Although it looks like we may have tea and tea brewing sooner than I thought

[warm saddle]

return {
    engineHandlers = {
        onLoad            = onLoad,
        onInit            = onLoad,
        onSave            = onSave,
        onObjectActive    = onObjectActive,
        onUpdate        = onUpdate,
    },
    eventHandlers = {
        SunsDusk_Unhook                                = unhookObject,
        SunsDusk_WaterBottles_convertMiscInCell        = convertMiscInCell,
        SunsDusk_WaterBottles_downgradeWaterItem       = downgradeWaterItem,
        SunsDusk_WaterBottles_spillWater               = spillWater,
        SunsDusk_WaterBottles_refillBottlesWell        = refillBottlesWell,
        SunsDusk_WaterBottles_refillSpillables         = refillSpillables,
        SunsDusk_WaterBottles_consumeWater             = consumeWater,
    },
}```

[faint siren]

indeed

[warm saddle]

Changelog v1.5.8

• Added Crafting Framework recipes for bedrolls, gondolier's helm, tents, pillows and torches
• Added TD and OAAB water barrels, basins with water, and more as refill sources - most OAAB player homes should have a refill source for water
• Gondolier's helm and Shroom hats from Shroomda Neen have increased water resistance
• Bathing tooltip informs about the location and weather dirt modifier
• Activating a well twice refills spillable vessels
• New setting for disabling water spilling
• New setting for how much water is used when cooking
• Fixed bathing settings not immediately updating
• Fixed waterskin not counting as liquid vessel
• Fix for towels not drying off immediately
• Performance fix for Starwind enjoyers (hopefully)

Important update for bathing if anyone has been having any weird problems I probably fixed them

[rough salmon]

just in time as I got electricity back 🤤

[warm saddle]

Any lore or recipes anywhere on tea?

[rough salmon]

i remember only this

but tea is basically a light weed/flower/fruit/etc soup

[warm saddle]

I’ve got stoneflower tea but not sure about more 🧐

(This is progress for dehardcoding water and refilling)

[vernal marsh]

Heather tea please

[rough salmon]

plot twist
Ajira was collecting flowers for "recearch" regarding tea brewing

[warm saddle]

Mushroom tea

[vernal marsh]

Ok maybe Willow anther makes more sense than heather after reading up on it

[warm saddle]

I’d go off of the ingredient spell effects but they kinda suck tbh

What spell effects do we want 🧐

[rough salmon]

feather 100%

will we have our own coffee?

[vernal marsh]

Resistance to cold weather ofc

[rough salmon]

redguards had a coffee recipe in the TES cooking book

[warm saddle]

When I do stuff with the tea mod yes but this is just for vanilla atm

Although you’ll find more tea if you have TD and OAAB since they have actual teacups, I could only find one cup in vanilla that remotely looks like a teacup

[vernal marsh]

Did you remake popups or change the record name?

[warm saddle]

They’re generated so it’s just formatting the record name

And you get your cup back after you drink it

[rough salmon]

something similar to Chifir might be interesting too
it's a regular tea that is so highly-concentrated, that it can basically count as a drug

just imagine 10 tea bags brewed into one cup
that's chifir

[rotund epoch]

can the bedroll be bought somewhere?

[warm saddle]

Yeah, inns and general merchants (or it should be 0.o)

But if you have the crafting framework you can craft it

I’ll double check on the bedroll tho bc that’s weird

[rotund epoch]

I only saw a note in the mod description about crafting but it sounds like sth that should be available for sale so yeah, just want to be sure

esp with mod's policy of limiting dependencies

[warm saddle]

Oh yeah nah there isn’t a dependency obviously, you should just be able to buy one

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-gif-12654501364171447161

[warm saddle]

Yeah publicans sell bedrolls, that’s been there for a few updates

[rotund epoch]

👍🏻

[charred tide]

One bed to go, please

[sour leaf]

I’m going to be gone for a week. Give me 7 beds to go please

[charred tide]

Wait, are they single use only?

[vernal marsh]

It's for a 💤

Sleepover

[warm saddle]

Yeah

[rotund epoch]

wanted to have it easy, did you?

NO SUCH THING AS FREE SLEEPOVERS

[vernal marsh]

Allow resuses, but they get dirty

[warm saddle]

I was thinking about that haha

[vernal marsh]

Sleep in a dirty one and catch a disease

[warm saddle]

Def doable

[rotund epoch]

a possibility to catch diseases when resting in tombs and caves

[charred tide]

Throwaway culture

[vernal marsh]

And if it gets wet it's destroyed

[charred tide]

You can use a bed more than once you know

[rotund epoch]

it represents durability

[warm saddle]

Dissolvable beds

[rotund epoch]

it weights much less than a bedroll should IIRC

[warm saddle]

That’s true

Sleeping bag

[rotund epoch]

so if you buy 10 it's basically 10 uses

it's actually a decent system

I give it a solid 7/10

[charred tide]

so that's what's truly happening 😉

No wonder the bathing module is there

[warm saddle]

I wanted just a reusable one but ownlyme wants to give people a reason to return to publicans and I have to give him a carrot every now and then to keep him around

[charred tide]

I'll be honest. I find the concept of single use bedrolls a bit weird

[warm saddle]

And hey in exchange for that I got an API for restocking any item(s) at merchant classes

[charred tide]

Yes, that's great

[warm saddle]

It’s how I did soaps haha

Didn’t expect the Uvirith’s Legacy soaps to show up but they get buffs so it works out

[rotund epoch]

It would be better if it was a reusable bedroll with durability but that's probably harder to implement.

but it still works

you get used to this

[warm saddle]

Maybe not anymore since I was able to put charges on soaps, but if I did durability for tents I’d want to have a way of repairing them which would be tricky

[rotund epoch]

well it would be weird to repair with hammers

[half summit]

more soap

[warm saddle]

Nah it would be a new UI

[rotund epoch]

right...

time to mention KCD again

[warm saddle]

We can’t go a day without making a new one haha

[rotund epoch]

there are several repair item types in KCD

you use different one to repair shoes

different one to fix clothes

and different one for weapons

and for armour

😄

[warm saddle]

I was thinking about having a permanent tent that you carry around with you but you have to buy or craft tents to keep it in good shape, like replacing different parts or something

Or it would take firewood

[rotund epoch]

firewood seems weird

it's a tent

[warm saddle]

Stakes tho

[rotund epoch]

cloth/leather parts are more likely to be destroyed

or damaged

but it sounds cool

[warm saddle]

I mean Skyrim had fur and leather tents

Ownlyme would def implement that with his wetness system if he had meshes haha

[rotund epoch]

Skyrim also has flying fucking Argonians

[warm saddle]

I’m hyped for tea though

[rotund epoch]

fun fact: I'm drinking one

[warm saddle]

Same

[rotund epoch]

fun fact 2: the only reason I'm drinking tea now is that I ran out of beer

[warm saddle]

Not sure what carrot ownlyme will need to dehardcode the liquid stuff although we’re making progress

I think he wants to make everywhere have dirty water which mean I’ll have to add no less than 5 settings for saltwater and sus water

[rotund epoch]

everywhere?

what do you mean?

river water should def be cooked

(boiled)

[warm saddle]

Like there’s no clean water in morrowind you have to purify everything

[rotund epoch]

well is probably fine

[warm saddle]

Nope

Wells too

Which is why I’ll need to add settings lmfao

[rotund epoch]

seems a bit strange

hmm, I remember talking about this already

I think that we came up with several water types

[warm saddle]

There was a very long argument over uhh adding a setting for disabling the jump spill thing

[rotund epoch]

and their effects

[sour leaf]

I don’t mind single use bedrolls (New Vegas had them I think) but I feel like the tent should get a few uses out of it at least

[warm saddle]

I already have all the effects and whatnot, they’re already in the mod even I just have to add conditions and logic for em

[sour leaf]

At the cost of being heavier and more expensive

[rotund epoch]

what does tent do?

[sour leaf]

Like maybe tents could be used 3 times or something

[rotund epoch]

compared to a bedroll, I mean

[sour leaf]

Same as a bedroll but tentier

[warm saddle]

They give an extra buff when using them

Tents I mean

[sour leaf]

Yeah what I said. Tentier

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/not-funny-haha-not-funny-hahaha-evil-laugh-laughing-gif-17347025675359632212

[warm saddle]

Having a tent and campfire gives you a +willpower buff

[sour leaf]

Oooh

[rotund epoch]

how is it detected? Proximity? How long does it last?

[warm saddle]

As long as you have a lit campfire and tent nearby

[half summit]

nice

[rotund epoch]

ok, so... why should I care?

[sour leaf]

Do tents protect from the elements if you sleep in like, the cold or rain

[rotund epoch]

when I get out the buff is gone

right?

[warm saddle]

Just for a little bonus to willpower, I might have tea brewing or cooking go off of willpower

[sour leaf]

I think the idea is if you’re on your campsite (near the tent and bed) then you get the buff

[rotund epoch]

ok, so it doesn't matter

because as long as you go somewhere

it disappears

[warm saddle]

And yeah being in or near your tent protects you from weather

[rotund epoch]

that's good

that matters

[warm saddle]

Nah it only despawn after a day or you can attack it with a weapon to despawn it

[rotund epoch]

not what I meant

[sour leaf]

You mean despawn right?

[rotund epoch]

I meant the buff

if it's only near the tent

[warm saddle]

Ye sorry haha

[rotund epoch]

then it's useless

it will never make a difference 😄

you know that, right?

[warm saddle]

Well yeah it’s to encourage you to have a tent and campfire haha

[rotund epoch]

....

[warm saddle]

But yeah would probably be a good idea to account for willpower in cooking if there’s a buff from tent + fire

[sour leaf]

He said cooking/tea brewing is going to be influenced by willpower

So as of right now it doesn’t do much but it will have more of an impact later to set up a proper campsite as opposed to just sleeping in a bedroll somewhere

[rotund epoch]

right

best to get the facts straight

[warm saddle]

I think there’s a bonus with roguelite too, I forget

[rotund epoch]

but that's optional

[warm saddle]

The mod is over 25,000 lines of code at this point and it’s hard to keep track of everything we write xD

25,000 excluding the esps

[rotund epoch]

that's kind of worrying 😅

they are evolving!

[sour leaf]

It’s an in depth mod!

[rotund epoch]

you say that now but in a few months Sun Dusk will gain sentience and remove the authors

/s

[sour leaf]

SunsDuskGPT

[warm saddle]

If the authors don’t remove the authors first

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/stalin-photoshop-gif-25202160

[warm saddle]

Me when ownlyme fights me over teas spilling

[rotund epoch]

what's the deal with tea spilling?

[vernal marsh]

It's bad manners

[warm saddle]

[rotund epoch]

obviously

so you get a debuff to Personality?

[warm saddle]

Teas are free from ownlyme’s jumping shenanigans

[rotund epoch]

or dirtiness?

[warm saddle]

[sour leaf]

Tea spilling should cause heat damage

I have a scar on my arm from spilling tea on it lmao

[warm saddle]

Lmfao

Same

Barista trauma

[sour leaf]

I wasn’t even a barista I’m just clumsy

[rotund epoch]

and if you are not warned about it you can sue the tea maker

then a quest begins

[sour leaf]

Sue the Teashop in Old Ebonheart

New mod idea

[warm saddle]

Brewing tea in the morning/evening makes them more potent/effective

[rotund epoch]

there is a teashop in OE?

[sour leaf]

Requires both the teashop mod and the teashop in old ebonheart mod

[sour leaf]

It’s a mod

[rotund epoch]

sounds fun, actually

[sour leaf]

There’s a tea mod that adds a teashop to caldera but it’s kind of out of place there so there’s another mod that moves it to Old Ebonheart

[warm saddle]

You’ll like what he’s cooking up for cooking

[sour leaf]

Sun’s Dusk has interop with the tea mod btw

[rotund epoch]

hmmm, I don't see why there should be teashops at all. I mean, they can be added to publicians and such

[sour leaf]

Hardcoded recipes? 👀

[sour leaf]

It’s a separate mod

[rotund epoch]

yeah

[sour leaf]

Has nothing to do with SD

[rotund epoch]

but why?

[warm saddle]

Because it’s cool

[rotund epoch]

why OE is the only place in the province with a teashop?

[warm saddle]

East India empire tea company

[rotund epoch]

now you probably know what I'm getting at

[warm saddle]

The original mod has one in tel mora and one near ebonheart but OE is more of a vibe

[sour leaf]

Cuz

[warm saddle]

Eventually those will be added to tea brewing

[rotund epoch]

that explains it 😄

[sour leaf]

OE has a lot of cool shops like that too

It doesn’t feel out of place there at all

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure

I love the bakery there

[sour leaf]

I don’t even mind that it’s a one off shop

[rotund epoch]

that's cool. I think that both Ashfall and various Skyrim mods have sth like this

[sour leaf]

Same!

[warm saddle]

I mean tea is canon

Not sure about the 42 teas in the tea mod but people make tea

[sour leaf]

Yeah the tea mod kinda goes overboard tbh

[warm saddle]

Overboard is an understatement

900 potions

[rotund epoch]

I'm fine with tea items. I saw various tea pots in places on Vvardenfell. Ceremonial ones in the Temples or sth. Cool stuff. Probably OAAB or BCOM doing.

[warm saddle]

OAAB and TD

[sour leaf]

Its a cute store and def fits better in OE than Vvardenfell but it also doesn’t feel like it belongs in Morrowind

[warm saddle]

None in vanilla

[rotund epoch]

it's part of EV, though

[sour leaf]

Debating removing it once you add tea brewing tbh

[sour leaf]

This mod is designed vanilla first then everything else

[rotund epoch]

BCOM feels like OAABified Vanilla cities in order to up their standards to TR ones

[warm saddle]

I mean you’re free to haha but I like the tea mod and I’ll have interop with it so you can brew all those teas, but first is stuff for vanilla

[sour leaf]

Ngl I can’t play vanilla with TR. I need BCOM or something else with it

[rotund epoch]

BCOM is in EV

[sour leaf]

Oh well if there’s interop to brew the teas then I’ll keep it

[sour leaf]

Ik im using EV

[rotund epoch]

yeah then you don't need anything

it's done already

[sour leaf]

I’m just saying even if I wanted to do a super minimal modlist with TR, then I’d probably need BCOM in addition

[rotund epoch]

yeah

[sour leaf]

Because the vanilla cities are hella lame compared to TR

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure

[sour leaf]

I saw someone say TR makes vanilla feel like a shitty mod lol

[warm saddle]

That would be me

[sour leaf]

It was either you or dubious lmao

It’s true though

[warm saddle]

For sure haha TR is just too good

I was impressed with Cyrodiil too

[rotund epoch]

obv the devs had to be careful with assets, number of objects, polygons etc. because this game had to be running on damn X-Box

[sour leaf]

I’m really digging Cyrodiil

[rough salmon]

i tell you, this is some sort of a comedy with these things

[sour leaf]

Oh yeah I know

[warm saddle]

Yoooo omgg

Where are they

[sour leaf]

I understand that Morrowind was never going to be much more than it is

[warm saddle]

He takes them away from me

[sour leaf]

But the mods have gotten crazy impressive

[rough salmon]

BCOM Caldera Mages Guild

[rotund epoch]

hey guys, what do you see on the right, ha? 😄

[sour leaf]

That’s from OAAB

[warm saddle]

He took most of the TD ones away from me bc he’s anti fun

[rough salmon]

no, there's already Starwind

[rotund epoch]

it feels Vanilla to me which is a testament to the quality of the modded additions

[sour leaf]

I mean from a Bethesda dev standpoint

[sour leaf]

Creating textures that look/feel vanilla is much harder than it seems

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure although it’s not too difficult

[sour leaf]

Yeah it’s not hard but it’s harder than you’d think

[warm saddle]

Just compress and warp a texture about 5 times

[sour leaf]

There ya go

[warm saddle]

That’s what I did at least

[rough salmon]

tbh I've looked at the Skyrim's recent massive quest expansions and gotten slightly envious

[sour leaf]

And then upscale it again with AI to match MET

[sour leaf]

Skyrim’s are crazy cool but I like Morrowind’s more tbh

[rough salmon]

*viewed a vid on 2025 to be released mods

[sour leaf]

Maybe it’s nostalgia but I’ve been far more impressed with the quest mods for Morrowind than the ones I tried for Skyrim. But that was years ago so idk

I just feel like the Morrowind ones slot in better due to the lack of voice acting

[warm saddle]

That’s true

[sour leaf]

Like there’s been a couple times when I was checking for conflicts where I’d come across a quest and wasn’t sure if it was vanilla or not

Especially some of the simpler quest mods

Shout out to Vibrant Cities

[rotund epoch]

they cooked?

[sour leaf]

And AFFresh

[rotund epoch]

GOAT mod

[rotund epoch]

that's dev-made

[sour leaf]

Mod series*

[sour leaf]

Yeah but it’s a mod

[rotund epoch]

yeah but still

[warm saddle]

Yeah I’ve been doing AFFresh on a new character and it’s cool, I like it

[rotund epoch]

it's no wonder it feels good

[sour leaf]

Not official and made 20 years after the fact

[rough salmon]

Seems like they had at least 3 massive expansions coming which were developed for ~decade
Dunno if they were released though

[warm saddle]

Skyrim ?

[rough salmon]

yeah

[warm saddle]

Damn nice

[sour leaf]

I know Skyrim has their own version of PT

Idk if that’s still going on

[warm saddle]

Yeah I think I saw some promos or something

[sour leaf]

Like one mod was Morrowind but during the time of Skyrim

[warm saddle]

But Skyrim will never have a survival mod with a UI as good as ours

[sour leaf]

So not Skywind. But like, Vvardenfell as it would be when Skyrim takes place

[sour leaf]

Morrowind’s UI is goated tbh

[rough salmon]

Like Beyond Skyrim?

[rotund epoch]

meanwhile "official" plugin expansions (not the improved modded versions but stock "official" ones) are shit

[sour leaf]

Morrowind > Skyrim > Oblivion in terms of vanilla UI on PC

[sour leaf]

Yeah that sounds right

[sour leaf]

They’re pretty pitiful lmao

[warm saddle]

Vanilla Skyrim is much worse than vanilla morrowind

[sour leaf]

The bard one is actually kind of hilarious

[rotund epoch]

Agreed. Morrowind doesn't suffer from consolitis.

[sour leaf]

It feels like something you’d make while messing around in the CS for the first time

[sour leaf]

SkyUI is goated but the vanilla Skyrim UI sucks. Oblivions is worse though but maybe it’s just because that’s the one I’ve spent the least time with

[sour leaf]

This is true lol

[warm saddle]

Vanilla Skyrim UI is so bad

[sour leaf]

Oblivion’s is worse imo

But that’s just me

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure it is haha

[rotund epoch]

Oblivion UI is fucking garbage

[rough salmon]

Oblivion had atrocious UX, but actually pretty neat UI design

[rotund epoch]

freaking console UI shit ported to PC

[sour leaf]

Isn’t there a mod the Skyrim-izes the Morrowind menus

[rotund epoch]

just awful

[rough salmon]

It was at least stylized

[sour leaf]

I do like the design a lot

[sour leaf]

Design wise it’s probably my favorite

[rough salmon]

The one thing i also don't get with Skyrim is it's font choice

[warm saddle]

Yeah the Nordic font helps with this but fr it makes no sense

[rough salmon]

a modern grotesque font
when you had such cool and recognizable fonts in previous games

[warm saddle]

Ikr

Nope

[sour leaf]

Shout out to Magic Cards

[warm saddle]

The dragon language had a cool aesthetic too

[sour leaf]

Yeah it’s like kinda cuneiform like

[warm saddle]

Nope, compact it is

[rough salmon]

It can be argued that it's slightly hard to read

[sour leaf]

Yeah but have you considered that it looks cool

[warm saddle]

Yeah it is but I’ll take it over fcking compact

[sour leaf]

Checkmate

[rough salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/indeed-i-love-you-concur-thats-what-she-said-is-how-speed-gif-24958898

[warm saddle]

Shoutout to the person who modded their game to be full daedric

[sour leaf]

I like that the Dragon language looks like something a dragon could claw into a wall

[sour leaf]

Psychopath

[warm saddle]

I want to do the compass mod but in daedric haha

It’ll save me quite a bit of effort

[sour leaf]

I think Dubious’s compass minimap replacer uses daedric letters

Ik that’s not what you meant but still

[warm saddle]

But also there’s a daedric preset for the sun’s dusk UI now

[sour leaf]

Oh god haha

[warm saddle]

It’s funny haha but I like it

[sour leaf]

I noticed you have the time formats as “normal” and “12 hour” lmao

[warm saddle]

Yeah I might have to change that though since there’s text now haha

[sour leaf]

Also, the vanilla game uses 12 hour lol

[warm saddle]

I like the text too, good idea from blurpanda

[warm saddle]

I know, I had to convert it into normal units

[sour leaf]

Lmao

[warm saddle]

But yeah I like the new Timehud

[rotund epoch]

Damn Americans

[warm saddle]

Whenever I update it again I’ll have it use the sun’s dusk color renderer too probably

[rotund epoch]

What next? MILES?

[sour leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/america-merica-murica-usa-born-gif-22051907

[rotund epoch]

And yeah books mention miles

[sour leaf]

Miles make more sense than kilometers

[rotund epoch]

Lol

No

[sour leaf]

1000 meters to a kilometer? Fuck that

5280 feet in a mile

[rotund epoch]

[sour leaf]

Why that number you ask? Go fuck yourself

[rotund epoch]

The Brits have pints

And wtf

[sour leaf]

Shout out to the imperial system

[rotund epoch]

But then, they also drive on the wrong side

[sour leaf]

It’s not really good for anything but at least we don’t use the same measurements as Britain

[warm saddle]

I respect imperial temperature though

[sour leaf]

Fahrenheit isn’t bad

[warm saddle]

100 degrees feels appropriate, 40 degrees feels weak in comparison

[sour leaf]

Yeah exactly

[sour leaf]

What about -40

[rotund epoch]

That's right, citizen. The Emperor is law and the law is sacred. Move along.

[warm saddle]

But yeah check out the new UI settings if you haven’t already

Changing presets will change yours tho so be careful if you’ve got a lot going on haha, but I think the color renderer saves your custom colors 🧐

[mild crystal]

I know trama root is used for tea in vanilla but nothing else is explicitly called out. There's definitely a ton of ingredients that would be perfect for it though

[mild crystal]

I don't think anyone could argue that tea wouldn't be outright ubiquitous, though - it just wasn't a focus for Bethesda because they're dorks (not cool nerds like us)

Considering through human history, most teas weren't luxury beverages but were used for medicinal, social, and ritual use, it's absurd that tea (under some name) wouldn't be everywhere in some form. Especially in an Imperial metropolis like Old Ebonheart!

[half summit]

had this hilarious experience of mods working together, I was exploring a shipwreck, hungry and tired so I was already at a disadvantage, loading up my pack from a chest all of a sudden.. I needed to poop. it added 8 points of burden, putting me over the limit, so I was stuck, cramping on the sea floor. I was panicking, rooting through my inventory (real time) as I drowned and all I had was an unidentified stew I had prepared so I downed it and it happened to have a minor water breathing effect! giving me just enough time to drop my armour and escape. Best poop of my life

[warm saddle]

Not the drowned adventurer holding a potion of water breathing in his hand 💀

[sour leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-kiss-gif-10037020512647257517

You have a poop mod installed?

[half summit]

😳 uh no. do you 👀

[faint siren]

I'ma be real I thought that mod was stupid but I might install it after reading that. 😂

[warm saddle]

Please don’t make me do interop with it

I won’t

[sour leaf]

Because you’re going to add your own poop module that will make it obsolete right?

[half summit]

yall can live vicariously through me it's ok

[sour leaf]

shits your pants

[half summit]

it's would be absurd do it for a the one (2) person using it. it would be good if soap could remove the "soiled" condition 🤔

[warm saddle]

Absolutely not haha

[sour leaf]

Yeah ngl I don’t need that level of realism from this game

[rotund epoch]

I find the idea shitty

🤡

[vernal marsh]

There aren't enough bathrooms anyway

[sour leaf]

There aren’t any to my knowledge are there?

Which is interesting because there are sewers. And many mods add sewers

[vernal marsh]

Sewers could just be for storm water I guess

[sour leaf]

Yeah true

[rotund epoch]

Doesn't matter. You can shit anywhere.

[warm saddle]

There are buckets

[vernal marsh]

I can't do it in public

[rotund epoch]

But if somebody is bored

I will note

[sour leaf]

And pots

[rotund epoch]

That it should a crime to shit in Balmora

Just saying

[sour leaf]

Why specifically there

Do you think people dump their shit in the Odai

[rotund epoch]

Not just there

Yes

As a matter of fact

I do

[sour leaf]

The Odai that’s like 10 feet deep and static

[vernal marsh]

Just add toilets to the bathhouse mod @half summit

[rotund epoch]

Morrowind has no rivers

[sour leaf]

That’s exactly what I was referencing

[rotund epoch]

But Odai stinks

[sour leaf]

Is there a flowing water mod for morrowind? I’m not even sure how that would work

Like lava has a flowing animation

[rotund epoch]

No

[sour leaf]

But lava works differently from water

[rotund epoch]

But somebody is working on water physics

[warm saddle]

You can put a static of rushing water on top of water, similarly to what scum does

Some OAAB modders do that

[rotund epoch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenMW/s/ZxoxBtPMqv

[warm saddle]

All (or most) of the waterfalls you see in TD and OAAB are statics, you’d basically just make it vertical instead of horizontal

Until ^ that goes live

[rotund epoch]

The day I see the waves in the Inner Sea will be a good day

[warm saddle]

The day I get saltwater in morrowind

Which might be today if I’m feeling super productive

[sour leaf]

That would be neat

[warm saddle]

I mean people do that already, I mostly see it in OAAB mod location overhauls

I think OAAB tel mora does this around the pools where the waterfalls are and I feel like katya does it in some of her mods, TR definitely does it

[sour leaf]

This is ridiculous

[rotund epoch]

No

This

Is

Morrowind!

[half summit]

I actually found a toilet resource today 😅

[half summit]

you do need a bucket if your going in a civilised place. dunmer have standards

[warm saddle]

There are bathhouses in Cyrodiil?

@winter slate hope you don’t mind if I ping you here haha, I just saw the images on nexus and wanted to ask if those bath houses are detected properly

[winter slate]

on this old mod yes

[winter slate]

What do you mean? Sload soap and a cloth work.

[warm saddle]

I’ve changed the conditions for bathing a few times but right now you can only clean/use soap if you’re wet or in a bathhouse, I’m not sure what that cell name is so idk if the cell detection picked up “bath” which is why I ask 😅

[polar fox]

I just want to say that this was a hilarious thing to find while exploring a sunken ship thirty meters under the sea

[warm saddle]

Haha even though the tooltip shows I don’t think you could actually dry off since you’re underwater

But yeah it’s still funny

[polar fox]

You can technically use it in the pause menu to dry yourself most of the way off

But the instant you unpause you're wet again

[warm saddle]

Yeah haha

[rotund epoch]

so the water mechanic will be there

[warm saddle]

Yes

Next update will have saltwater, suspicious water, heather tea, and I might do oil for the dwemer wells tbh but I haven’t decided

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/good-clapping-sarcastic-gif-14772054

[warm saddle]

Deep fry some food in dwemer oil

[rotund epoch]

I remember discussions about water types a loooong time ago

[warm saddle]

Probably haha I mean I’ve wanted them from day 1

[mild crystal]

you could reasonably do a tea out of any root or leaf

corkbulb tea, marshmerrow tea, bittergreen, black anther, comberry

[rotund epoch]

fire fern...

[mild crystal]

why not?

depends on whether you want to take the alchemical effects into account I suppose

brewing tea is a lot different from the alchemical processes used to bring those effects out

[rotund epoch]

40 tea types

here we go

https://tenor.com/view/here-we-go-joker-heath-ledger-the-dark-knight-and-here-we-go-gif-17775369

[warm saddle]

Oh yeah for sure haha I know I could do any and every herb and flower and whatnot, it’s just which ones are worth doing

[warm saddle]

Nah stuporstor already did that, I could never improve on that

[rotund epoch]

60!

https://tenor.com/view/it's-over-9000-it's-over-9000-its-gif-6159356195145880706

[warm saddle]

Nah I just want a few for vanilla

[rotund epoch]

quality > quantity

[warm saddle]

So that one stick enjoyers get some tea too

[rotund epoch]

I don't see the reason in having 60 tea types if they are not notably different

better to have 6 but interesting ones

[warm saddle]

Stuporstor’s tea mod

I’m almost certain she created 900 potions by hand

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/worlf-wall-street-pump-those-numbers-pump-those-numbers-up-rookie-numbers-those-are-rookie-numbers-gif-27568304

[mild crystal]

Reasonably you'd have bunches of native teas, some specific to different tribunal temples, some common to Ashlander tribes, then ones imported from the Empire and used in their settlements

[warm saddle]

Yeah stuporstor covers that haha

[mild crystal]

The more I think about it, the more fundamental to the setting it should reasonably be

[warm saddle]

She even has tea imported from akavir, that mod is wild

[mild crystal]

berry cool

i downloaded it but the readme doesn't include any of that info

[warm saddle]

There’s an in-game book with all that info, it’s over 40 pages

[mild crystal]

awesome

[warm saddle]

There’s a tea shop in tel mora and one outside of Ebonheart although there’s a mod that moves that one to old Ebonheart

But yeah it’s fantastic, I love it a lot

[rotund epoch]

Ebonheart-on-Vvardenfell is mostly a fort so it fits OE more

[warm saddle]

It’s on the outskirts of Ebonheart

[mild crystal]

funny to think OE is honestly too small for what it is

[warm saddle]

But yeah all of those teas have their proper thirst / caffeine values but eventually you’ll be able to brew them in the meantime I’m just getting vanilla’s stuff to work

[rotund epoch]

Every city is too small

[mild crystal]

well, yes

[rotund epoch]

But it's still big by MW standards

[mild crystal]

I mean conceptually there should be a considerably food market

[rotund epoch]

And by Skyrim's standards it's insane, lol

[mild crystal]

yeah

[rotund epoch]

Narsis feels like a proper city

It must be insane in the true-to-lore size

[mild crystal]

I haven't been yet, but I am headed there soon. I have to decide if joining house hlaalu fits my concept well enough

[rotund epoch]

There is other content there as well

[mild crystal]

of course, and maybe it doesn't matter if I do before I go there

Narsis itself might inform the decision well

[warm saddle]

Yeah I’ll be making my way down to Narsis too

[mild crystal]

What sort of effects are you giving tea, btw? I saw you mention thirst and caffeine, but I wonder how affecting one's mood, increasing relaxing, those kinds of things could be reflected

[rotund epoch]

20 FPS here we go!

[warm saddle]

I forget the effect I put on stoneflower tea but Heather tea will be cold resistance + feather/+personality

I’ll do trama root tea at some point but not sure what I’ll put on that, brewing these teas will be done entirely with tooltips/in the overworld as well so I don’t want to break a UI by overworking it

[mild crystal]

I still think Comfort a la #1427867749870473287 message has merit

[astral mauve]

daremaster

It's a scaling mechanic that ties aesthetics and crafting otherwise unnecessary things into a buff

Linked by @​daremaster from #Sun's Dusk: Needs & Survival · Dec 7, 2025, 6:29 AM

[warm saddle]

Yeah I’d just have to think about how best to implement it, as it would likely be exclusive to using the camping equipment which doesn’t have too many features atm

And right now I’m mostly playing around with different liquid types

[rough salmon]

So the TD adds these kind of... Basins? Maybe you could also wash near/by using them?

Just as an idea

[warm saddle]

Hmm I thought I covered those in the most recent update, I definitely covered 2 other of those models but TD is kinda cursed with how they name those

Does a “refill water” tooltip not come up when you hover over it?

[rotund epoch]

nice one. This reminds me of KCD again. You can wash your face and (partly) remove dirt in various basins or barells filled with water

[warm saddle]

Well I have something partially implemented like that haha but yeah that’s the direction I’m moving in, the tricky part is determining wetness from splashing your face with water (“refilling” atm) vs swimming vs in the rain

So right now I just have being like 50% wet as a requirement for bathing/drying off, and the way you can get wet is by spamming refill (which should have covered that basin )

[rough salmon]

Nope

[warm saddle]

Damn

And you have the most recent version yeah?

[mild crystal]

IMO you'd want to use it in the most comfortable and luxurious places - static objects like baths, carpets, and other finery should contribute to comfort just by being around them for X amount of time, but I'd also consider actually bathing or drinking tea to add to it

here's the items from Valheim that provided comfort, to give you a better idea of how it worked: https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Comfort

[warm saddle]

All of the statics you mentioned are from mods 😅 I think vanilla only has a few carpets and … they’re not that great haha

Tea is generated on the fly although there’s cell detection for inns

[mild crystal]

I might struggle to remember exactly what vanilla is like 😓

[rotund epoch]

Oh, that's easy. Omnipotent. Omniscient. Sovereign. Immutable. Like all of Todd's creations!

Todd be like: how sweet it is to be a god!

[mild crystal]

he's so tiny, I know he fit into lockers in high school real easy

[rotund epoch]

yet he still has this "I own you" corpo aura 😄

[mild crystal]

he really is the worst

[rotund epoch]

well, he is partly responsible for Morrowind so he did some good

[mild crystal]

the last good game he was involved with, tells you a lot