Sun's Dusk: Needs & Survival

[warm saddle]

I’m not going to touch/override dialogue but that is a feature in stinkers, I’d probably just add like a -100 personality debuff if you go without bathing for a month is something

But also I think having a disease makes people interact with you differently ? But maybe that’s a mod I have

[rotund epoch]

Yeah it's vanilla

[little haven]

i get comments from NPCs when i'm diseased

[rotund epoch]

Yes

[little haven]

and i think disposition goes down, i forgot

[warm saddle]

Yeah

[rotund epoch]

Yes

[half summit]

mods augment the behavior, making it more likely

[little haven]

it would make more sense that you'd be entirely banned from certain places/shops depending on the disease

some cities guards shouldn't even let you in

[rotund epoch]

Eh, you need to go to a healer

And IIRC you get -20 disposition or sth

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure, although the diseases module will be baked into the bathing module when I publish it

[little haven]

getting a disease should be punished enough that you want to either 1. avoid it or 2. prepare for it

right now i can just lollygag around and not care too much most of the time

[rotund epoch]

I def want to cure it ASAP

[little haven]

i'm more worried about encountering greater bonewalkers than anything else tbh

[charred tide]

it would be nice if diseases progressed if untreated

[little haven]

i hate the enemies in Tribunal that spam those damn bonewalkers

[little haven]

yeah exactly

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure haha, I’d do something like Last Seed for Skyrim which adds a bunch of disease mechanics but fortunately Morrowind already has the worst mechanics implemented for that already

[rotund epoch]

Lingering post-cure effects would be cool

[little haven]

yeah

long covid mod

[warm saddle]

Yeah Last Seed has disease progression

Having to make like 120+ abilities for diseases though

[rotund epoch]

So you cure the disease but you are weakened thematically for some time. Not much but enough to notice.

[warm saddle]

Json enjoyer time

But yeah the fully developed one wouldn’t come out for a while since I’d go hard with it to combine something like stinkers with last seed but with my own twists, atm I just need something basic to get me through my playthroughs

[rough salmon]

Will it be baked into SD or made into a standalone mod?

[little haven]

a few attribute points here and there

[warm saddle]

It would be an optional module for Sun’s dusk, probably disabled by default or a separate install on the mod page

[rough salmon]

Because I feel like it would make more sense for standalone mod, just with SD integration

[little haven]

also i said it before, but i'll say it again, i wish vanilla had ash storms that carry blight

[half summit]

i love the mod that makes closed helmets resistant to that

[warm saddle]

I’d need the API for Sun’s dusk (UI, water detection, cell detection) but people have a hard time dragging and dropping files into a folder which is why I’m not sure if I’d post it together or separately

[rotund epoch]

Yeah... or weakness to disease/blight to represent your body being weakened. Some of the more acute diseases could give a lingering Damage Fatigue effect (just 1 pt so you tire more quickly).

[rough salmon]

Make it into a BAIN installer or smth

[warm saddle]

For a .lua file ?

[little haven]

that would be interesting

[warm saddle]

Not sure if I’ve seen one of those but don’t see why it’s not possible 🧐

[rough salmon]

NCGD and HBFS already does it

like this

[warm saddle]

What are in each of those ?

[little haven]

i've never seen this in my life

[warm saddle]

Hmm I guess I could make it a separate omwaddon

[rough salmon]

It's mostly a vanilla engine and tes4/5 thing, because it has a MO2 and othe modloaders integration

OpenMW doesn't have a proper tool for installing modular mods (idk maybe umo has it, I've never used it)

[half summit]

oh yeah, i use that system but i never realised thats what it was. its kind of like built in BAIN in the launcher, you just nest your folders and it does it automatically

[rough salmon]

But from a user standpoint I think it's readable just as a folder structure too

[sour leaf]

I mentioned this before but it would be cool if in the disease module, being in sewers, swamp water, underworks, etc increased your chance of getting a disease

[warm saddle]

Yeah if I’m too lazy to install a mod with MO2 I have to deal with moving those folders around haha

[rotund epoch]

I think that base disease functionality is ok in Vanilla but the mechanic could be deepened. We have the NPC comments, disposition drop, curing. What we need are: progression and lingering post-cure effects so drinking 1 potion or casting a spell doesn't feel like instant perfect remedy with 0 side effects. It should heal you but it doesn't have to mean that you are feeling great just as people don't always feel great even if they get rid of disease IRL.

[rough salmon]

I've switched to MO2 only because earlier I was managing my modlist by manually editing openmw.cfg

...And after a year of playing and modding my game I've accidentally saved it with wrong contents effectively resetting it to vanilla state

Now I have .cfg file, it's backup, MO2 and MO2 backup files

[warm saddle]

Yeah Last Seed creates separate potions and cures for each disease which is cool, I didn’t play with it a lot so I’m not sure of all the details but I’d probably revisit it

[rotund epoch]

This is part of EV already. Actually, I contracted a blight disease 1 hour ago that way

[warm saddle]

Big oof but yeah I use MO2 but only to install mods, i don’t export them and just enable them in the launcher or cfg

[rough salmon]

One small issue
Spells and shrines

[warm saddle]

Yeah those would be options, to turn those off

Well like spells, potions and shrines not curing diseases

[half summit]

better do a religion mdule too

[charred tide]

Can I cast a fire spell on myself to warm myself?

[rotund epoch]

It's better to keep generic potions and shrines but add other effects (remissions, lingering debuffs etc.)

[rotund epoch]

Yes

[warm saddle]

Yeah, fire, frost resistance, fire shield

[charred tide]

Ok, the mod is usable 😉

[warm saddle]

All of those immediately warm you up

You can also dive into frozen water without taking damage if fire shield is active

[charred tide]

How about jumping into water to cool down?

[warm saddle]

Yup

[rotund epoch]

Yes

[charred tide]

good good

[rough salmon]

I'm also not exactly sure if vampires would be able to cure their diseases without those (if they can get diseased in the first place)

[warm saddle]

And splashing water in your face by jumping with cups in your inventory

[warm saddle]

I’d probably have settings for that like supernatural and immortal

Maybe vampires can only get blight or Corprus or something

[rotund epoch]

It would also be unloreful to change effects as several quests involve curing people with generic potions. Shrines are also supposed to heal. It's intentional.

[warm saddle]

Well yeah but why should one kind of potion cure 50+ diseases ?

[sour leaf]

That reminds me, I have a mod that makes it so corpus only makes you immune to blight, not all diseases. Which is technically lore accurate. The prophecy says the Nerevarine is immune to blight

Would be cool to see that incorporated here too just so the entire disease part of the mod doesn’t become useless after the MQ lol

[sour leaf]

Penicillin

[half summit]

"unloreful"

[rough salmon]

"recommended mods" smh

[sour leaf]

What lol

[rough salmon]

it's also a really simple mod - it just edits effects of 1 spell in CS

[warm saddle]

Yeah I could add that as a setting

How many mods do y’all want me to make obsolete haha

[rough salmon]

this

[sour leaf]

Honestly, as many as possible if not just to cut down my modlist specifically 😂

[sour leaf]

I’m confused

Also for the interop

[warm saddle]

Same tbh, I could get rid of at least 10+ in my load order with the API in Sun’s dusk

[sour leaf]

Things get weird when using multiple disease mods simultaneously. I’d prefer an all in one solution that just works

[rough salmon]

I mean the mod you mentioned could easily be added as a recommended for the SD. Mostly because it's just a small edit made with Construction Set

[warm saddle]

Yeah that’s true although I don’t have any mods in there that make changes to the esm I think

[sour leaf]

Yeah but if it was added to SD then it’s one less plugin to add to your modlist. Not that it matters. Just keeps things clean

[warm saddle]

Pretty sure it could just be a 100% weakness to common disease if you finish that quest or removing that spell effect with lua I think, something like that since I wouldn’t want to touch the game’s records

[sour leaf]

“100% weakness”

[rough salmon]

Eh, +1 debuff to the evegrowing buff list

[warm saddle]

Or just have all Sun’s dusk diseases ignore those spell effects from that ability entirely

[rough salmon]

We call this "overegineering"

[warm saddle]

I’d give ownlyme the last seed mod description and let him go wild tbh, he’d probably turn Morrowind into project zomboid if left unsupervised

[sour leaf]

What is last seed

[rotund epoch]

Treat it as the start of the process. A potion gets rid of the disease but as mentioned before, it doesn't mean that you are 100% healthy. A generic potion or a spell is a start. Then you may have specific herbal remedies and health recommendations to keep you in good shape and prevent a disease relapse. For example, in some cases it would be better to keep temperature high or low. In other cases it's best to avoid getting wet or avoid eating certain food types. Things like that. You don't change vanilla process and keep all the quests and dialogue coherent. You deal with what comes after dealing with that first stage of the disease.

[warm saddle]

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/56393

Don’t think I’ve implemented a ton of things from that mod since I only played with iNeed, I just know that it does some disease stuff

[rotund epoch]

I think that vanilla dialogue and disease types and names can be used to come up with fun stuff for remedies and health recommendations.

[warm saddle]

Actually I did the 2 days need thing as the default setting since I thought that was a good idea, and the varied diet

But yeah I’d be looking at some of the Skyrim disease mods probably since there are a few of them that have gone hard asf since there are no native disease mechanics in Skyrim

[half summit]

milk drinkers

[rotund epoch]

I like those hardcore Skyrim mods. Skyrim mods can be pretty crazy. It's a joke of a game in Vanilla but with mods... I will play Skyrim again someday but ATM modded Morrowind is just too cool to ignore

[rough salmon]

Skyrim mods are great for inspiration, especially for MW mods

[rotund epoch]

Exactly

[sour leaf]

Are there not?

[warm saddle]

Yeah I wanted iNeed for Morrowind but in general Skyrim mods are great, the modding community is much larger but Skyrim is also a very mainstream game and they don’t know what they’re missing

I think the Skyrim survival thing adds disease progression but yeah in general you can only get a few diseases only by being attacked by a few enemies and it’s very negligible, sometimes you don’t even know if you have a disease because it’s so minor

Meanwhile in morrowind … xD

“Get away from me you diseased creature”

Classic

[rough salmon]

In morrowind you notice it only thanks to other people 🥴

[warm saddle]

That’s true haha

I’d make them a little more debilitating, at least the advanced stages

[rotund epoch]

I don't think that the disease module is coming anytime soon, so maybe I could make a list of all the diseases in-game, check their descriptions and come up with some suggestions regarding potential remedies, health recommendations etc. Maybe it will be useful for future use.

[warm saddle]

But yeah there’s a reason why I have resistance/weakness to common disease on needs abilities since I’ve been planning on doing something like this haha

[warm saddle]

Yeah that’d be a great help, coming up with spell effects and stuff would be good too

[half summit]

it would be incredible to be able to logically fashion cures based on the symptoms

[warm saddle]

I’d probably just do 3 stages to keep it simple

[rotund epoch]

It also helps to overcome resistances which is cool

[rotund epoch]

I will see what I can cook

[warm saddle]

Yeah it’s easy to ignore resistances and spell effects with lua

(always a reminder to ignore spell absorb + reflect when casting a spell on an actor with lua)

[rough salmon]

Everyone gangsta till lua api gets its intelligence drained

[rotund epoch]

I meant that Weakness to Common/Blight Disease effects help to overcome resistamces do that you will have to deal with diseases more often as part of natural gameplay flow

[warm saddle]

Although I haven’t added the ignore spell absorb to Fair Care since I enjoy NPCs restoring my magicka

[rotund epoch]

Also, everybody should be using HBFS's module that increases base chance of catching diseases

[warm saddle]

I’ll have a setting for that in Sun’s dusk as well since there will be new diseases and also I don’t expect everyone to have HBFS installed

[rotund epoch]

Using HBFS is a path to manhood in Morrowind

[warm saddle]

MDMD + SME + HBFS don’t play nice together

[rotund epoch]

SME?

[rough salmon]

Huh why

[warm saddle]

Show me Everything

[rotund epoch]

What's that?

[rough salmon]

All in one hud that's notorious for it's performance

[warm saddle]

Yeah it’s bad but I like it a lot, wouldn’t recommend it though

[rough salmon]

It's also quite old by today's standard

[sour leaf]

Why is it bad lol

I use SME 😅

[warm saddle]

I have the setting on that only shows health bars when weapons unsheathed

[rotund epoch]

How is it related to HBFS?

[rough salmon]

And to mdmd

[sour leaf]

That’s also all I use

[warm saddle]

When HBFS alters max health of actors in a cell, SME goes berserk

There are a few other things I think but that was the main one

[rough salmon]

[warm saddle]

Definitely not a problem from HBFS’s end though, SME is just super buggy and bad for performance

Firing off a billion raycasts anytime you hover over an actor

[rotund epoch]

Ah

[warm saddle]

You know it’s bad when a lua mod has a patch for graphic herbalism

[rotund epoch]

It's a pass for me, then

[warm saddle]

Oh yeah nah for sure, like I said I generally don’t recommend it and ownlyme makes fun of me for using it instead of floating healthbars

Think I had to fix a ton of stuff with my SME

[rough salmon]

Switch to Dynamic Reticle!!!!!!!!

[rotund epoch]

Btw what's next on the list? Weather module/dynamic needs?

[rough salmon]

It has an awesome healthbar too!!!!

[warm saddle]

Dynamic needs probably since I need to play the game to figure out what I want to do for the weather stuff

[rotund epoch]

Right

The update has been working fine so far

👍🏻

[warm saddle]

But yeah this is SME, also apparently it isn’t super old … https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/53996

[warm saddle]

Very blessed

[rotund epoch]

Wetness is a big improvement

[sour leaf]

What?!?

[rough salmon]

Idk it felt like one of the earlier ui mods to me

[warm saddle]

ikr, def has the performance of one

Also yeah I was right and mym commented on it too, when HBFS initialises actors in a cell it causes SME to go berserk and display a healthbar every time you enter a new cell even if the setting is disabled, drove me bonkers

[rotund epoch]

This is us asking about new features

[warm saddle]

Hahaha I love it xD ownlyme is doing something about a bedroll + tent for the next update, I’m not supervising him though so you can expect something in the realm of water refilling and woodcutting

[rotund epoch]

Nice. Lack of bedroll is strange

[warm saddle]

Ehh idk, the only items we’ve added to the game are stews, water and wood but ownlyme liked when I mentioned your idea and ended up going hard with it

[rotund epoch]

Bedrolls are vanilla assets

[warm saddle]

Yeah but we haven’t done anything that adds items from a vanilla asset to NPCs or as an inventory item haha

The bottles themselves are generated and not from individual items in the esp

But yeah he ended up liking your idea so you can expect something crazy

[rotund epoch]

Firewood

Is new

And buyable

[rough salmon]

I missed it, what was the idea?

[warm saddle]

Adding tents + bedrolls

[rough salmon]

Ah

[rotund epoch]

Speking of ideas, the Skyrim mod you linked has nice stuff related to sleep quality

[warm saddle]

He might even get motivated to add crafting framework integration (not a requirement tho) and make campfires an activator for crafting certain things

[warm saddle]

Yeah I’ll be doing that with dynamic needs

When daddy dagoth visits you in your sleep, your sleep quality is reduced

[rotund epoch]

When Uncle Crassius vists you in your sleep, your sleep quality is increased

[rough salmon]

U sure?

[warm saddle]

Lmaooo that’s hilarious

[warm saddle]

Sleeping while you have a companion increases sleep quality

[little haven]

i think there should be some sort of debuff for sleeping less than 3 or 4h

[rotund epoch]

Join Hlaalu, they said

[little haven]

or just having your character refuse to wake up

and sleep in a little

[warm saddle]

That kinda goes into insomniac, if you have a habit of sleeping less than 3 or 4 hours you’ll get it

But yeah sleep personalities will also effect sleep quality

[rotund epoch]

You know, nightmares lowering sleep quality would be pretty cool. Resting in a tomb could disturb you, for example.

[warm saddle]

Unless you’re a dunmer (probably)

[rotund epoch]

Yeah

[little haven]

i always found this a bit strange in these games lol

how you can just sleep in the creepiest or shittiest places

[rotund epoch]

Bosmer could get no debuffs for resting in the wilderness

[rotund epoch]

It's just a place

[little haven]

in Daggerfall it's especially hilarious because sleeping makes stuff respawn

[rotund epoch]

Haha

Well, not in MW

[little haven]

i'd never want to sleep anywhere there

[rotund epoch]

Be close to your ancestors

ALMSIVI in every hour!

Btw there is a MSWE mod which adds killed enemies to appropriate tombs as ghosts

Cool concept

[warm saddle]

Yeah I think I saw that, it’s a cool idea haha

Definitely doable with the 0.50 API

Although the localisations probably wouldn’t be pleasant but maybe not necessary

[rotund epoch]

I also saw a MSWE mod which added graverobbing as mechanic, i.e. some NPCs would recognise some goods as taken from tombs and refuse to trade

Love shit like that

[warm saddle]

Interesting

There’s peaceful tombs and I think the creator wanted to do something with ownership

[rotund epoch]

Well, my current character is not a tomb raider at all. I haven't entered a single tomb yet, lol. Will only do it when it's quest-related and if it's fitting for the character

[warm saddle]

Also yeah you mentioned playing with the latest version of Sun’s Dusk, I haven’t played it much outside of testing but let me know if the performance improvements are noticeable

[rotund epoch]

Previous character robbed everything

[rotund epoch]

Hard to say. Fine so far.

[warm saddle]

Poor ownlyme refactored the whole mod, UI and global/player scripts to improve performance

[rotund epoch]

Noice

Performance is a concern with 400+ mods so yeah

Good

[warm saddle]

We both have good setups so I don’t really notice but people playing on anything else definitely should

[little haven]

this is cool

[rotund epoch]

Some TR areas tend to be low FPS but it's just the usual . Typical TR experience. Admittedly, it got a lot better as the devs try hard to optimise everything

[warm saddle]

A counterpoint: Narsis

But nah it is still really impressive

[rotund epoch]

I get FPS drops in Narsis in some places

So yeah

But it's worth it

Sometimes Old Ebonheart is bad but it used to be worse

[warm saddle]

Really? 0.o

[rotund epoch]

Vivec's Palace is ugh because of Concept Art flames

But it got better as well

[sour leaf]

I get some in Narsis and Old Ebonhesrt but it’s not terrible

[rotund epoch]

Yeah. OE was partly redesigned for performance reasons

[sour leaf]

I tried a mod that adde Hircine’s Hunting Grounds and that destroyed my frame rate lol

[rotund epoch]

Roa Dyr will be redesigned next

[warm saddle]

But yeah having a UI with 6+ elements that updates onFrame is … tricky to make performant haha but he did it

[rotund epoch]

New Indoril tileset, folks

It's coming

[warm saddle]

Yeah I’m hyped, I’m hoping to get all the big Sun’s dusk stuff that I want finished before poison song so I can be a hermit for a while and play through it

Love what they’ve done to House Indoril so far, Telvanni is my favourite house in vanilla but Indoril in TD is just

[rotund epoch]

I've just arrived at Almas Thirr to do some Temple quests

Cool place.

Did TG quests with previous character

Funny to get welcoming and friendly Ordinators when you are in the Temple

Almost uncanny

[little haven]

i'm super hyped for PS and WBM

PS will add so much interesting stuff even though it doesn't add much new land physically

[rotund epoch]

Yeah

Every TR release is hype

[little haven]

not sure how much gameplay it will add but i would expect at least some dozen hours

TR is better than most modern game releases for me

[rotund epoch]

I never bother checking. Just play and come across stuff naturally

[little haven]

yeah

there's already so much to do

even though i've done a lot there are entire questlines i didn't really do yet

[rotund epoch]

Yes. Too much to do in a single playthrough before it gets boring. Doing more than a few factions per playthrough seems pretty pointless, anyway. Fresh starts are more exciting.

[little haven]

i keep an eye on https://wiki.project-tamriel.com/wiki/Poison_Song_Expansion and it seems like there's still so much left to do 😢

[little haven]

yeah exactly

[rotund epoch]

2026 is possible

We will see

[little haven]

i try to roleplay my characters at least a little bit, so i never do everything in one playthrough even if the game lets me

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure, I just got into Morrowind this year a little before the GF release and didn’t exactly understand the hype but now I do

My favourite comment I’ve ever seen about this game is that TR makes Vvardenfell look like a mod

[little haven]

yeah the quality is insane

[rotund epoch]

I also use More Exclusive Factions

[little haven]

i love vanilla morrowind but you can tell they made this stuff back in 2002 for 2002 computers

[warm saddle]

Also the Almas Thirr temple questline is the best in the game imo, it’s and there’s some special Sun’s Dusk stuff for it

[little haven]

oh i should get that

[rotund epoch]

BCOM, all the OAAB additions etc. improve Vanilla a lot

[rotund epoch]

Nice

[warm saddle]

Although I wish someone would add an inn or bed to fucking Roa Dyrr

[little haven]

yeah, i never play without BCOM these days

i hate that it's not compatible with stuff, but i refuse to give it up

[dense atlas]

I have a q about cutting down trees, do they respawn after a while?

[warm saddle]

No but there’s a setting to disable trees despawning

[rotund epoch]

EV makes everything play nicely.

No issues

[little haven]

yeah

[sour leaf]

wtf really

[warm saddle]

Yeah

[dense atlas]

gotcha, and after you 'cut' trees and they don't despawn, they can't ever be cut for wood again?

[sour leaf]

amazing lol

If you play with TR you really need something like BCOM because Vvardenfell feels super bland by comparison

[little haven]

i did a full vanilla run earlier this year and it's really something going back to that after being used to BCOM and TR etc

[warm saddle]

They can be, I forget if there’s a cooldown for a few days or if you can get wood from them again the next time you load your save

[dense atlas]

got it thanks

[rotund epoch]

Yeah this is why EV is great as it enhances Vvardenfell a lot

[warm saddle]

Yeah I’m going to do a showcase video that shows 100% vanilla openmw with sun’s dusk and I’m kinda dreading it

[rotund epoch]

It's not that bad

[warm saddle]

But the big showcase vid will have my thicc modlist just because I’ll need to mentally prepare myself (and my cfg) for vanilla

No, like 0 mods vanilla

[little haven]

at least with vanilla openmw you don't fall through the ground

[warm saddle]

No grass mods … no TD … nothing

[warm saddle]

Yeah haha

[rotund epoch]

Vivec in Vanilla

[warm saddle]

It is for a skybaby

[little haven]

i could live with just vanilla + sun's dusk

i'd really miss TR/PT though

[rotund epoch]

In Skyrim they have physics and it's so shit that you get catapulted into the sky when a giant hits you

[little haven]

this is why i like not having physics

can't go wrong if you have none

[warm saddle]

Very blessed

[half summit]

+bardcraft

[warm saddle]

But yeah I work hard to try to keep everything restricted to vanilla so that people without TD or OAAB can have the same features as everyone else, although everyone should have those mods installed tbh

But if your system can’t run them then that’s ok too haha

[rotund epoch]

If you like bards, play as Dark Urge in BG3. You may get a bard companion

[rough salmon]

But they arent loading your computer at all 🤔

They're just assets

[rotund epoch]

Yeah

[little haven]

i think if i really had to, i could pull off a <20 mod list

with just the basics like PT, TR, a few patches, HBFS and a few other necessities, sun's dusk

[warm saddle]

Yeah but what if you play on a Gameboy and don’t have the memory for it xD

[rough salmon]

That's... Definitely a hardware limitation

[warm saddle]

Yeah exactly hahaha

I think the only feature exclusive to TD and OAAB is they have fruit to cook with as well

I couldn’t justify putting pomegranates in the same cooking category as marshmarrow

[little haven]

i have openmwi nstalled on my old 2009 Thinkpad T500, it has a core2duo 2.5ghz, 8gb of ram, and an ati radeon hd3650, it runs surprisingly well

i get like 40-50fps with vanilla

forget about TD or anything else

it dips below 30 if i mod it out

[rotund epoch]

Can't imagine playing without mym's mods at least. I mean, for an experienced player, HBFS is sort of mandatory as Vanilla difficulty slider is shit.

[little haven]

the problem with this old thinkpad is the screen was rather high resolution for the era (1680x1050), so it's a real drag on the GPU

if i lower the resolution i can get a stable 60+ fps

[little haven]

yeah playing without HBFS is unthinkable to me now

[warm saddle]

Oh damn yeah that’s wild

[little haven]

i'll try sun's dusk on it sometime

i can probably get a few mods going that won't impact performance too much, but it's so cpu bound that even lua scripts make fps dip lol

[rotund epoch]

Morrowind is a static game so tbh even 30 FPS is fine

[little haven]

yeah

[rotund epoch]

If you got 30 FPS in Cyberpunk it would be unplayable

[warm saddle]

Yeah someone said that adding the temperature made their steady 60 fps dip to 56 at the most but I think with this update it’ll dip 1 or 2 fps max

[little haven]

i love when i can achieve a stable 165fps on here though

[rotund epoch]

Morrowind? 30 FPS works

[little haven]

i'll test it out, i'm curious

[rotund epoch]

[warm saddle]

But yeah let me know if you end up trying it on your thinkpad, it’d help a lot 🙏

But yeah tonight/today is throwing together the bathing module quick and I want to do Daedric letters for the compass

[little haven]

the only reason i keep this old laptop is because it has ports galore (pcmcia slots, firewire, ethernet, vga, serial, etc.) and for experiments like this lol

[rough salmon]

Dream framerate
Sadly, I have arguably too many npc scripts. I may need to clear them a bit sometime

[little haven]

it dips down to 120fps in big cities though, 165fps is really only a dream

[rough salmon]

Like Narsis lags more because of lua npc scripts than actual rendering

[little haven]

i thought about switching over to EV rather than TO just to maintain the 165

[warm saddle]

Oh damn I didn’t know that haha but yeah anything attached to actors is immediately a huge performance hit, even the cellMemory stuff is nothing in comparison

[little haven]

i'm going to test sun's dusk on this right now

[warm saddle]

Very blessed

[rough salmon]

Even with 780 active mods, I think it's my current biggest offender. Especially after I installed BCOM's Animated Morrowind

Courtesy of x3d cpu

[little haven]

although i need to reinstall openmw and data files so will take a bit

[little haven]

x3d is the secret sauce

[warm saddle]

The big things would be to test if the UI updating like for temperature causes any fps drop, going in and out of shade, woodcutting (maybe) and refilling water
Basically anything that uses a raycast and the UI haha

[rough salmon]

Advantages of good old 60hz screens is that your target fps is twice as low

[warm saddle]

Yeah I added that too and it was … something haha although worth it imo

[rough salmon]

True

[rotund epoch]

I once installed Scribo and it dropped my FPS to shit values in Narsis. Supposedly they fixed some things in newer version.

[warm saddle]

Oh yeah, and equipping and unequipping gear and a torch causes any fps drop

[little haven]

funny that openmw is basically my only problem game for hitting such high fps

[rough salmon]

I've sticked to Trav's mod instead. Can't get to old book text scale

[rough salmon]

Guess you have a great GPU

My 4060 is good for everything...
Which is not AAA game

ReOblivion included

Otherwise yeah, identical issue

[little haven]

tbf i don't play a lot of AAA games

[rough salmon]

Maybe including modded minecraft with shaders. But it's mostly a compatibility issues with certain mods out there

[little haven]

i have a 7900xt

[sour leaf]

Wait really?

[rotund epoch]

Yes. It was the first mod version

[ripe anvil]

Glad I'm not the only one who had to drop that mod(sme)

[warm saddle]

I use it kinda out of habit but might try dynamic reticle

[little haven]

i'm doing a test without sun's dusk then going to add it

[warm saddle]

Yeah sure 😄

[little haven]

it's not looking good

and i didn't even add anything yet

and everything is set to absolute minimum

[ripe anvil]

What's wrong?

[little haven]

i'm using this on a literal potato

[ripe anvil]

I see

[little haven]

i'm up to 46fps by lowering view distance to minimum, i'll take it

[warm saddle]

30 fps in vanilla balmora is wild

My condolences

[little haven]

i'm getting basically 40-48fps depending on where i look

so this is the baseline

[warm saddle]

I guess there’s a reason demake exists

[little haven]

now time to add sun's dusk

i guess i could also pop into vivec or some place with more npcs

oh there is a definite fps hit from sun's dusk

i lost my stable 40-48 and i'm struggling to even get to 40

[ripe anvil]

I think its an issue with your computer?

[little haven]

i think the issue is that it's from 2009

[ripe anvil]

Oh my

Yeah definitely

[little haven]

core2duo 2.53ghz / 8gb ram / ati radeon HD3650, it's a glorious machine 😎

and it sounds like an airplane running this

@warm saddle after popping into a few more areas, i can definitely tell there's a fps hit, but as far as i can tell, it's on the order of 4-5fps compared to before

funny enough it's not even maxing the cpus

it's really the GPU that's struggling

[ripe anvil]

Well there's a lot of computations in the background happening

[warm saddle]

Alright that’s good to hear although ownlyme might want to pick your brain later 😄

[warm saddle]

The computations isn’t remotely the problem, it’s the UI updating

[little haven]

yeah

[ripe anvil]

I see

[little haven]

indoors i'm getting nearly 60fps

[warm saddle]

If the icons were static and didn’t change and if the temperature only updated a few times, there would be no performance hit

[ripe anvil]

I'm surprised it's still living to this day xD

[warm saddle]

Any fps hit when going into shade ?

[ripe anvil]

What an ancient artifact it is, yagrum might steal it from you

[little haven]

going in places with more npcs i'm getting more of a cpu hit and 36-37 fps, but without sun's dusk it's the same just nearer 40-41

also the sun's dusk UI keeps bugging out for some reason

[warm saddle]

On vanilla ?

[little haven]

it disappears and only came back when i reloaded

[little haven]

i'm not even sure shade is a thing on here tbh

at least i can't find it anywhere

[warm saddle]

Were you changing settings or was it just happening randomly ?

[little haven]

i feel like i'm living in a cloud with view distance set to minimum

no it just happened randomly, not sure if it's because i went indoors/outdoors or what

might be some opengl problems with transparency

[warm saddle]

Did it happen when you changed cells then?

[little haven]

this is a really old gpu

now that i reloaded it seems to never bug out

[warm saddle]

Gotcha, yeah I think someone else seemed to have that issue but not sure why, I think it might just be how everything was refactored

[little haven]

the tooltips and such work perfectly

[warm saddle]

Good to hear 😄

Any fps hit when you equip and unequip anything ?

If you’re done np haha what you’ve already done is plenty 😄

[little haven]

nope no change if i equip armor or weapons, also managed to chop wood and do a few things and no problem

this is legitimately playable, just have to lower expectations a bit from modern standards

[warm saddle]

How about equipping a torch ?

[little haven]

no change

[warm saddle]

Lmfao

[little haven]

indoors is nearly at 60fps

without suns dusk i get about 60 there

wraithguard's ridiculous effects lower my fps though

[warm saddle]

Lmfao I fucking told him, we got into a big argument over this

The old system scanned all equipped items with every update (I didn’t implement that) which was changed although I kept this for torches bc it was easier

[little haven]

i'm trying to equip and unequip but it really changes nothing

i'm in a different part of the room where i'm pretty much stable at 50-51 and it stays there

doing the same in ald-ruhn, same thing

[warm saddle]

Yeah sure, nice

[wintry sparrow]

Was this ever incompatible with bufftimers?

[warm saddle]

Nope, the only spells are food poisoning and fire/frost damage at temperature extremes

[wintry sparrow]

Okay sweet! 👍

[warm saddle]

I use buff timers and immediately uninstall any mod that adds spell effects with long durations bc yeah it drives me insane

[wintry sparrow]

Somebody made a really cool pull request for bufftimers and it seems like its for a mod similar to this (thought it might even be the same lol)

[warm saddle]

And we tried to make the fire and frost dmg abilities as well but couldn’t :(

[warm saddle]

Oh ?

[wintry sparrow]

Yeaah check it out

https://github.com/nitroinferno/BuffTimers/pull/1

Im a total noob at API integration for external mods and stuff - but this guy knows whats up lol

[wintry sparrow]

Ooh i could probably make a setting to ignore based on duration or even a blacklist category after seeing that pull request

Oh it was even mentioned here:
#1427867749870473287 message

[astral mauve]

cybvep

I have an idea for the injuries system but it's radical 😅 https://discord.com/channels/260439894298460160/1353649127761772678

Linked by @​nitr0inferno from #Sun's Dusk: Needs & Survival · Nov 14, 2025, 1:18 AM

[warm saddle]

Yeah I haven’t tried anything like that either yet, I just bake compatibility stuff into the mod

But yeah they should probably be using abilities for certain things and not spells but eh it’s not my mod

But depending on their naming conventions you could possibly add a blacklist or something excluding spells/abilities with a certain suffix or prefix

[warm saddle]

Btw @little haven I didn’t realise the UI looked so good on vanilla

[little haven]

i had to move it because with my resolution it overlapped the bars on the left, but once moved it looks great

doesn't look too high res or out of place with the other UI stuff

[warm saddle]

Yeah I’m still not sure about the initial position, my screen is 16:10 so it’s a different scale and weird but I try to adjust the initial position every now and then

[warm saddle]

Very blessed

[sour leaf]

The talk about SME earlier got me wondering, are there any other mods that are known to have a big performance hit? Or just types of mods I should avoid?

Anything to force me to reduce my modlist is a blessing lmao

[ripe anvil]

There are others

[sour leaf]

I assumed

[warm saddle]

Mods that use raycasts and some UI mods are the most performance taxing as far as lua goes, Bardcraft is also great but uses a ton of memory (understandable)

SME does both not all mods that use raycasts are bad and not all UI mods are bad obviously, just that they can eat performance if they're done carelessly/lazily

[sour leaf]

I’m not giving up Bardcraft

I’ll suffer to keep that one in

[warm saddle]

I think graphic herbalism is an exception because it uses raycasts I think ? Not entirely sure, but by removing a billion containers in the world it offsets that I think

[sour leaf]

That’s also another one I’m not removing

[warm saddle]

I think the UI is much more performant now though because I get a nice 30 fps with unpaused menus while the bardcraft UI is active

Oh yeah nah like I said, graphic herbalism doesn't eat performance but I think harvest lights might

[sour leaf]

Ah gotcha

[warm saddle]

Any mod that uses updateAll is also an immediate performance hit

[sour leaf]

I replaced SME and I’m trying out Floating health bars but I’m not sure if I like it yet

[sour leaf]

Are there any specific mods that do this?

[warm saddle]

Those are pretty rare though, I know of only a handful that have used them and I think they've been changed since

Burglary Overhaul used to and Devilish Needs did until both were updated, using updateAll immediately messes with any lua UI elements

[sour leaf]

Gotcha

[warm saddle]

if you have notepad++ you can search in your lua files in your modfolder for updateall and see if anything comes up xD but I don't think there are any that do

[sour leaf]

I have notepad++ but I prefer vscode 😅

My performance is actually pretty decent all things considered. I get the occasional drop to 30 in bigger cities but most of the time I hover around 45-50 outdoors and 60-75 indoors

It’s kind of funny that I get better performance from RDR2 than an almost 25 year old game lmao

[warm saddle]

Nice 😄 usually the devs recommend removing graphics and texture mods but obviously those don't touch lua memory and whatnot

[sour leaf]

I use MET and Vurts new texture mod

[rotund epoch]

Here is a draft for potential disease mechanic as part of a future disease module. I chose 1 blight disease (there are 4 in-game) just to show how it could work.

ASH-WOE - "Ash-woe is an acute blight disease affecting a victim's will and thought processes. It may be contracted from corprus beasts or other blighted creatures." [You can get it from Shalk, Ascended Sleepers, Ash Ghouls, Ash Slaves and Vanilla effect is 20-40 Drain Intelligence and Drain Willpower]

General: If untreated, diseases get progressively worse. Standard cure blight effect from any source gets rid of the base blight disease effect and applies lingering effect. This is the beginning of the curing process. Everything is kept consistent with Vanilla and NPCs won't scream about you being diseased, but you are not "done" with the healing process and you may suffer a disease relapse (so you get diseased again). The lingering effect phase duration and disease relapse chance all depend on player's behaviour and applied remedies/effects.

Stage I (24h) - Drain Intelligence 30; Drain Willpower 30; Drain Personality 10; Sound 15; Thrist Rate +33%
Stage II (48h) - Drain Intelligence 45; Drain Willpower 45; Drain Personality 20; Sound 30; Stunted Magicka; Thirst Rate +50%
Stage III - Drain Intelligence 60; Drain Willpower 60; Drain Personality 40; Silence; Stunted Magicka; Thirst Rate +100%

Lingering Effect (base duration 120h) - Drain Intelligence, Willpower and Personality 5; Sound 5; Weakness to Blight Disease 30%; Weakness to Common Disease 15%; Thirst Rate +25%; Exhaustion Rate +25%

Recovery:

Positive impact (decreases lingering effect duration and lowers disease relapse chance): low to medium temperature (10-25), eating stews with Resist Fire, Resist Blight Disease, Fortify Magicka or Restore Magicka effects.

Negative impact (increases lingering effect duration and disease relapse chance): high temperature (>25), getting fire damage or weakness to fire effect, getting damage magicka or drain magicka effect, eating stews with Resist Frost effect, staying in ash storms or blight storms

So what's the point of all this? Intended gameplay effects:
-> staying true to Vanilla disease descriptions and expanding the effects;
-> making use of SD's temperature and primary needs functionalities;
-> progressive stages that make diseases harder to ignore and punish the player for carelessness but without making the game unplayable or sth (24h for stage I->II progression is enough time to get the cure applied one way or the other, for example);
-> keeping the intended functionality and usefulness of all cure disease effects so all the potions, spells, enchanted items and shrines (vanilla or modded) won't suddenly become useless and the disease module feels seamless while keeping high compatibility with pretty much everything;
-> adding the lingering effect/post-cure phase to deepen the mechanic

[charred tide]

Merlord gave me permission to use Ashfall meshes such as the tents

I'm sure you would get permission too

[ember yacht]

is this mod worth it to stick with openmw and not torture myself with og engine?

[rough salmon]

yes

[sour leaf]

The fact that you described the OG engine as "torture" should be enough lol

[compact vine]

If you're like me and mainly stuck with the original engine for Ashfall, Sun's Dusk is almost as featured

only thing it's missing, imo, is making shelter/camp equipment beyond campfires, and even then there's mods for OpenMW that are compatible with Sun's Dusk that can provide that

[charred tide]

Both engines have exclusive mods. There's no mwse equivalent to Bardcraft for example

[rotund epoch]

Yeah, these mods now have a similar vibe. "But Ashfall" is no longer a reason to stick to MSWE IMO.

[charred tide]

There's always going to be something that doesn't exist on the other engine

and that's fine

[compact vine]

true

I don't really care about the "war" between OpenMW and vanilla engine modding

[rough salmon]

(it's not a war)

[compact vine]

It's just a pain to ping-pong between the two, as I often did before this mod came about

[rotund epoch]

It's not a war but preferences exist

I can understand if somebody sticks to MSWW because of Joy of Painting, Ultimate Fishing or some stealth mods or additional magic effects

"But Ashfall" was the most popular response, though

[sour leaf]

The top 2 I always see are Ashfall and Joy of Painting

[half summit]

its funny how thats always the one that comes up. just kind of surprising its such a popular option 🤔

[rotund epoch]

Which one?

[sour leaf]

JOP

[half summit]

yeah

not that it looks bad, super impressive

[sour leaf]

It's one of those things where Id def use it if it was on OpenMW but its not enough of a draw to tempt me to switch to MGEXE

Ashfall was tempting but with DN and this, I'm happy lol

[half summit]

yeah i can see that, id definitely have installed it if i could but i have a problem 😅

[rotund epoch]

I think that JOP is popular because it can change how you look at the game. It's like having an immersive photo mode and people love photp modes in games.

[half summit]

that makes sense

[little haven]

it's only a matter of time before openmw lets us have an equivalent

we're eating good in 2025 as far as openmw goes though, i can't complain, i'm not going back to MWSE even for those mods

using MWSE feels like a trip to the stone age museum now

[sour leaf]

I tried a MWSE modlist a couple years ago and couldn’t go 5 minutes without a CTD

Never had OpenMW crash

[little haven]

I tried it last summer with a wabbajack modlist and it was a bad experience

Before that I hadn't messed with it in probably a decade

If it was the only way to play Morrowind I'd do it, but knowing how good OpenMW is I can't go back

[warm saddle]

And we’ve only been working on it for a month

I guess 6 weeks at this point but who knows what the future holds haha

[warm saddle]

Ownlyme is working on a tent I think but the biggest limitation for camping and assets and whatnot is not making TD and OAAB a dependency, and to keep the mod under 4 mb and even then I wish it was smaller

[sour leaf]

You could honestly make it a separate mod entirely

[warm saddle]

Merlord would probably allow us to use Ashfall assets which I might want to do for cooked food or something but haven’t decided yet because yeah I want to keep the file size small

[warm saddle]

I think he is making a module for it

[sour leaf]

Same thing lol

[sour leaf]

Honestly just updating the food to like “Guar Meat(Cooked)” in the tooltip would be fine by me

Or something simple like that

Kinda like how the bottles and mugs aren’t visually filled with anything

[warm saddle]

Yeah that’s definitely possible and I’ve considered going down that route, it just means I’d have to rework the cooking UI and API a bit which I haven’t been in the mood for since it’s a chonky module

[sour leaf]

I mean tbh it would be cool if the meat was visually cooked as well but it’s more about the mechanic for me personally. I can’t speak for everyone though

[warm saddle]

Very blessed, yeah I had heard that people were sticking with MWSE for Ashfall which I didn’t know about and didn’t take into a lot of consideration, I haven’t looked at its code or features much so I don’t know a lot of the differences between the two I’m mostly just creating the survival mod that I’ve wanted haha

[sour leaf]

It seems like this mod already has all the big features of ashfall.

[warm saddle]

Yeah there are ways of doing vfx like this with lua and I’ve considered it, there’s only one mod I know of that really does it well which I’d want to pick apart to see the best way to go about it

[sour leaf]

Which mod?

[sour leaf]

Also, Merlord is one of the Morrowind modding goats obviously and I am biased because I use OpenMW but so far I prefer how this mod handles those mechanics to Ashfall when I played it.

Tbf that was like 2-3 years ago

[warm saddle]

Dynamic ambient visual effects
I think ownlyme has customised this mod a bit for his gameplay so he’s looked at it but essentially we’d be doing something like this
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/55572

[sour leaf]

Oh interesting

I mean the vfx are cool ngl. But it’s just the cherry on top haha

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure, man’s a legend
When we did crafting I didn’t realise that he’s the one who created the crafting framework for MWSE and now we did this 🫣 not exactly intentional, just how it turned out haha

[sour leaf]

I think it’s just that both of you seem to have similar interests in terms of what you want to mod into the game, if that makes sense

Like Melchior does mostly quest mods

Vurt does flora stuff

It makes sense that a crafting system and a survival mod kinda fit together

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure although we haven’t done any integration and probably won’t but we’ll see, definitely won’t make it a prerequisite though

[sour leaf]

I said this because I feel like it sounds like I’ve put down Ashfall a couple times in here but it’s a crazy impressive project and it was the only mod that had me tempted to try getting MWSE to work for me.

But now that OpenMW has an alternative, there are things about Ashfall that I wasn’t a fan of. The UI is the big thing for me that I prefer from this mod

[sour leaf]

I mean I think if you add camping stuff it would make sense to have optional recipes that can be used with crafting framework

Kinda like the ones Dubious has made

This + crafting framework + hunterwind

[sour leaf]

Sorry if I’m annoying btw. I wanna get into lua mod making and I feel like I just need a solid idea to work on.

Because this mod has such a wide scope and it’s in active development, it’s fun seeing what’s possible with Lua in here.

Like the vectors are really cool. I’m almost tempted to try my hand at that fishing mod idea but idk.

I don’t wanna say I’m working on something cool and then give up because I’m too busy or something lmao

[warm saddle]

No it’s understandable haha, there are a ton of projects I’ve started and stopped on because I’ve gotten bored, modding in general is a hobby

If you wanted to do a fishing module though I could walk you through some things, it’s very very doable and I don’t think it would require any API changes from our end

[sour leaf]

I might try my hand at it 🤷‍♂️. I kinda wanna screw around with Lua a bit first. Just haven’t had the time or energy

My job is coding (sorta? It’s mostly SQL right now) so whenever I’m off I just don’t have the energy to do more debugging most of the time 😂

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure, if you want to learn UI stuff timehud is probably the best to look at because it’s very simple, covers most of the basics, and has the most common libraries (some commented out since they’re not needed), and is relatively easy to follow

I can point you in other directions for other mods to take a look at too for whatever you’re particularly interested in, in general I learn a lot from seeing what other modders do

[sour leaf]

That’s the thing is I’m not really sure what I’d wanna make. I feel like I need a decent grasp of what’s possible with OpenMW’s Lua.

I’ve been messing around with MWScript just to re-familiarize myself with it and tweak some mods in my modlist and patch mods. I haven’t touched it since like 2018 and even then I didn’t do much with it.

But like, seeing what tools are available has given me some ideas for things I could make with it.

MWScript is kind of miserable to use though lol.

I might have to poke around in the code of this mod and Timehud. Might get some inspiration there.

I’ll probably also take you up on your offer to show me around the API for the fishing module at some point. I’d really appreciate that

[warm saddle]

Oof I mean if you want to do quest mods or some crazy stuff with dialogue then you’d have to do mwscript but if you want mods for gameplay I’d recommend avoiding mwscript as much as possible since it barely qualifies as a programming language

But yeah I’ve had to do a little bit too for … rapport I think ? And I did a separate super basic companion mod, it’s useful to know for fixing mods for sure haha

[warm saddle]

The new compass mod also uses code from timehud and has much less settings if you wanted to look at something even simpler haha

But yeah I’ll try to write up some documents on using the Sun’s Dusk API, I know ashfall has a bunch of API stuff that lets modders add lua support for their own mods which we haven’t done yet

[sour leaf]

I don’t wanna do quests lol

[sour leaf]

I work with VBA a lot and MWScript is somehow worse than that

[tepid sedge]

not entirely sure about this one:
so far firewood was available at general vendors
what if publicans were a hub for survival supplies:
firewood,
tents/bedrolls,
food/drinks (as in vanilla)

this has the issue that the tents, bedrolls and firewood would be ingredients internally.
to make them not get lost in the inv sorting, their localized name would have "~" in front of them
like "~High Quality Firewood" (50g)

this makes publicans a very focussed hub for all your survival supplies
they'd probably sell something like soap in a later update too.

perfect? no.
gamey/convenient? probably yes<

[rotund epoch]

I'm fine with the current system. However, it would be fine if firewood was also added to publicans but I don't see why general merchants wouldn't have it available. It's actually nice when the player has to visit various merchants instead of going to just 1 person. Soap can be available at various shops as well. Don't see why alchemists and apothecaries wouldn't have soap available, for example.

[tepid sedge]

also ? possible, but slightly added complexity etc

[rotund epoch]

seems clunky that tents would be considered ingredients etc.

[tepid sedge]

not entirely see the appeal of making it realistic for the point of realistic tbh

go to an innkeeper^^

[rotund epoch]

well, it's not that sth is not working correctly ATM

it just works

[tepid sedge]

yeah i know, just that your survival shopping trip requires multiple visits to different vendors

[rotund epoch]

frankly, I rarely buy firewood

but it's good to have the option

then you don't need to have the axe etc.

[rough salmon]

I think giving it to pawnbrokers would make more sense

[tepid sedge]

i dont think converting them to ingredient with ~ prefix will change anything except the sorting

99% sure

[rotund epoch]

would you be able to... eat... a tent?

[tepid sedge]

can be prohibited in global

with the lack of effects they aren't consumable either way

[rotund epoch]

Tent eaten. Effects: Hunger -200, Thirst +50, Exhaustion +50, Toxic, not allowed for Green Pact

[tepid sedge]

additionally giving stuff to other traders, possible but not really a priority like this

nah you cant consume it because the ingredient has 0 effects.
just drop it and the global script converts it into a tent 100 units away from you

[rotund epoch]

I'm just joking here

[tepid sedge]

+- under the ground because the engine is fucking buggy -.-

https://gitlab.com/OpenMW/openmw/-/issues/8810

[rotund epoch]

BTW I think that you are working on bedrolls etc.

[tepid sedge]

go spam them with needy replies

xD

[rotund epoch]

have you considered giving these items a condition value?

I know that this isn't allowed for misc items and such

so it would need to be scripted

[tepid sedge]

they despawn after 24 hours and every bed you built is an item you use up

[rotund epoch]

but then portable bedrolls wouldn't be infinite

you would need to buy new ones

or craft new ones

[tepid sedge]

craft idk

but yea

[rotund epoch]

cool

[tepid sedge]

i think tent 50 creds, bedroll 20-30

gives 20-50 resistance while sleeping

and additional resistance/10 flat temperature

[rotund epoch]

it makes sense that such items would degrade with use

[tepid sedge]

yeah they would be super light and you'd buy them in bulk

theres also hearthstone to tp to an inkeeper and the fact that you can cook meals at them without needing water

[rotund epoch]

hearthstone?

[tepid sedge]

so inkeepers ftw

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/57551

[rotund epoch]

ah, but it's a different mod

so optional

[tepid sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[rotund epoch]

it's easy mode

not for me

[tepid sedge]

install it or you're not ownly's friend xD

[rotund epoch]

how long does 1 tent/1 bedroll last?

[tepid sedge]

24h

no indicator tho, and maybe it bugs out anyway bcuz engine bs

just yolo'ing it and waiting for bug reports

[rotund epoch]

hm, but can you pick them up?

[tepid sedge]

no

[rotund epoch]

so they are "used up" by placing them

and it's semi-permament

until despawn

[tepid sedge]

yeah pretty straightforward imo

[rotund epoch]

janky but may work. I'm worried about despawning and related bugs

[tepid sedge]

just wait 24h

im not 100% about when you wait in a different cell

[rotund epoch]

you mean play for 24h in-game, right?

[rotund epoch]

in DN you simply place a bedroll and then can pick it up

so it's possible

[tepid sedge]

just yeah i tested a few times when you're in a different cell and then recall to it - and it seemed to have worked? but idk

we dont say DN in here

and yes, i could let you pick it up but i dont like that concept

you use up one item every time you rest in the wild protected

i think there will be some rested mechanic if you use a bedroll instead of sleeping on the floor

[rotund epoch]

ideally it would work like this: 1) you place the item (let's say 10 uses left), 2) you rest there, 3) you can pick it up (9 uses left), 4) then you can place it on the ground again (8 uses left) etc.

[tepid sedge]

......

possible, but not exactly that easy. and for what?

50 bucks per tent use

tents are 0.2kg

designed with price rebalance in mind

[rotund epoch]

seems more intuitive and less janky than having to leave these items for forced despawn. As for cost/weight, they can be adjusted based on the intended effect.

the end results will be similar

[tepid sedge]

then the tents would have to be weapons/armors, couldn't be sold be publicans, just to track durability loss

[rotund epoch]

I imagine it differently

Tent (10 uses)

Tent (9 uses)

it wouldn't be "real" durability (and you wouldn't repair it with a hammer lol)

[tepid sedge]

changing what publicans sell is extreeeeeemely invasive (esp with all publicans edited)

yes we can track the uses internally, but you'd have no vanilla indicator on how much durability is left on a tent

[rotund epoch]

item name?

Tent (10 uses)

[tepid sedge]

omg

[rotund epoch]

literally

Tent (9 uses)

Tent (8 uses)

I bet it's possible

[tepid sedge]

probably

[rotund epoch]

or a message showing how much uses are left

after placing a tent

or drag and dropping it in the player inventory or whatever

[tepid sedge]

for soap we thought of a simple internal variable that removes the next soap after 10 uses

what you're asking for? ffs

way underpaid

[rough salmon]

would it be configurable?
I'd cut it to like 3 uses or smth

[tepid sedge]

then i might aswell start tracking wetness for every fucking armor piece

[rotund epoch]

I guess that food spoilage would require tracking every item, haha

[tepid sedge]

0.2 submerged? only shoes 0.45? + pants etc etc.... omg pls dont

yes possible but lets stay streamlined pls

unless you wanna donate minimum wage in germany xD

the latter? 8-16 hours * 14.50 ... ye

just saying

somethign that i dont get excited of xD

[rotund epoch]

In KCD you get % value next to the soap. The degradation rate depends on the number of item you use it on as well as their dirtiness value/weight, ha ha

[tepid sedge]

any good idea will be immediately implemented for free tho

[tepid sedge]

omg

yeah doesnt surprise me that kcd has a fucking soap system xD

[rotund epoch]

KCD2 is my GOTY for 2025 btw

[tepid sedge]

i wish i had a job at them

i hope openmw still makes the cut for GOTY 2025 after all these mods i made though 😛

[rotund epoch]

yeah they added a game mechanic for washing equipment 😄

Clothes gets dirty during travelling and combat. Boots degrade by walking or running and get dirty as well. Clothes have condition values, not just armour and weapons. There are different repair items for clothes, shoes, weapons and armour. It's like a natural extention of old Bethesda's systems with immersion/realism in mind.

[tepid sedge]

kekw

yea, makes sense

but tracking it... oof

[rotund epoch]

I think that Warhorse is like a modern version of "old" Bethesda

[little haven]

We need clothes washing in Morrowind

[sour leaf]

You've got my vote

[warm saddle]

Yeah with an mwscript

[rotund epoch]

Nothing dirty about the word 😂

Hunterwind runs on mwscript and it's amazing

[warm saddle]

For lua enjoyers it is

[warm saddle]

Def a bit much for what I’d do with the bathing module initially but possible to implement

[warm saddle]

Def could implement this though haha

[little haven]

Chores simulator

[warm saddle]

There’s a Skyrim bathing module that removes your clothes/equipment when you bathe I was thinking of doing something like that at some point

[sour leaf]

When I was a kid I used to take over a cottage on one of the lakes and go for morning swims and would take off my clothes lmao

For the roleplay

[rotund epoch]

it should work like striptease starting from the shoes... then pants... then shirt... depending on how submerged you are

[warm saddle]

Nah it’d just be while you bathe / after you bathe

[sour leaf]

That would just look like your clothes are dissolving off

[sour leaf]

Is bathing going to be something more than just dunking yourself in the water?

[rotund epoch]

my point is that you could be like that guy in Gnisis

who lost his pants

and could give somebody a quest

to bring them back

that would be GOTY

[sour leaf]

Hentus

[rotund epoch]

funnily enough, his quest got bugged in my last playthrough and I couldn't give him his pants back

[warm saddle]

Eventually probably but I’m just gonna do something basic initially to replace some oldwind mods

[rotund epoch]

but on a more serious note, in KCD2 you have washing spots in villages and in the forests as well as paid bathhouses. Bathhouses would require new interior cells. However, washing yourself in the river or the sea (using soap while in the water?) would probably be ok.

maybe make a check to disallow doing this in cities because Odai in the middle of Balmora probably freaking stinks and is full of trash

[warm saddle]

Yeah I won’t be creating bathhouses but someone else could if they wanted, this would just be in cells with water and the ocean/rivers/lakes

[warm saddle]

Possible to exclude areas but eh finding another place near Balmora would be annoying

[rotund epoch]

just go outside

it's right next to it

touch grass

[warm saddle]

??

[rotund epoch]

I mean that Odai in non-city cells is right next to Balmora

[warm saddle]

I mean they’d both be dirty

[rotund epoch]

pretty sure that water inside the city would be worse, ha ha

not to mention the fact that washing yourself there is probably illegal

[rotund epoch]

sewers should probably be excluded as well...

[warm saddle]

Probably not since I’m assuming that all dunmer are bathing xD

[warm saddle]

I mean not initially since there won’t be any bathhouses until someone decides to make one or you could install the temple bathhouses

Hence the cells with water because those have very shallow water and not submersion

[rotund epoch]

Maybe in Temple bathhouses or outside the city. They wouldn't want people to swim/wash themselves naked in the middle of the city. Central Odai is probably reserved for river traffic, anyway

Obv I say "Temple bathhouses" because I assume that Temple would have sth like this

good as plague prevention measure as well

[warm saddle]

Yeah I’m just going to have you able to bathe everywhere and have dirty areas as a setting, that wouldn’t be til later though

Besides, no one using openmw has had a real bathing mod lately so going crazy and adding too many mechanics early on wouldn’t be good xD

[rotund epoch]

there is a bathing mod for MSWE https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/54401

it has some nice features. I like this one: "Ash and blight storms will dirty you as well, making you susceptible to the diseases which spew from Red Mountain. "

[warm saddle]

Ehh I’d use coverage with a mechanic like that but yeah good inspiration, I’ll probably take a look at other Skyrim mods for bathing since I liked those but good to know what other Morrowind modders have done

[half summit]

I think dunmer would be pro public bathing, similar to how they do it in the ganges, imperials are probably more prudish

Maybe not naked but you have ti mod in nudity anyway

And yeah anything south of balmora looks like a disease guarantee, slow moving city water

Ive started concepting some bathhouse styles, nothing to show yet but the idea is interesting to me, different cultural bathing practices seems relatively unexplored in the lore. Theres some cool history nerding out to do

And it would go with my sload soap mod (thats still a ways out though)

[warm saddle]

Yeah there are a few mods that add bathhouses around if you wanted to take a look, I’ll send stinkers 3 at some point but I think it was in this server that someone posted it

That mod adds different style bathhouses to every city in Vvardenfell

[half summit]

Nice, definitely worth a look

[rough salmon]

In telvanni bathhouses you have to create your own water

[half summit]

Nords just get a hole in the ice

[rough salmon]

I wonder how they would get water in desert-ish Ald'ruhn and Maar Gan

[warm saddle]

There are some really nice bathing areas in TR tbh

[half summit]

Ever seen tank girl?

[rough salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/what-can-i-say-except-you're-welcome-gif-10724500870782237719

[half summit]

😂 Ffs it just keeps getting beeter the more you watch it hahaha what a belly flop

[warm saddle]

Would probably have to import it haha

Maybe reservoirs or something

[half summit]

Yeah a dune style aquifer would be dope

Or i guess magic is hard to ignore, 🤔 but the redoran seem like theyd want to do it oldschool

[rough salmon]

Is there a canon water creation magic?

I remember there were something, but maybe more related to water = memory idea

[warm saddle]

I feel like there should be 🧐 there’s waterbreathing at least

[rough salmon]

Though I would expect them to be able at least manipulate it similarly to ice magic

[half summit]

Interesting, i guess with weather magic you could make it cold enough to form ice in the desert if creating water isnnt an option

[rough salmon]

It's either backing up the fresh air or converting water into breathable air on the fly. Idk idk

[half summit]

Yeah i think waterbreathing id is more about changimg your lungs

But idk

[rough salmon]

I don't think it would be commonly used in order to collect water or even grow crops - it would alter the ecosystem way too drastically

I guess they would import it with guars or silt striders. But that would also make water significantly more expensive in those distant locations

[rotund epoch]

https://youtube.com/shorts/xYyvW_A7ejM?si=H43PBnVooEQj6DJe it's better with sound 1

[half summit]

Yeah true, especially in those areas the people wouldnt vibe that kind of misuse. It would probably be a pretty booji thing to use for full baths 🤔 maybe skar collects condensation in large quantities for the nobs to bathe

[rotund epoch]

Vivec floods the province to support the Dunmer with water

[half summit]

I want to mod this guy into SHotN hahaha

[rotund epoch]

I'm sure that water is a more precious resource in the Ashlands than in the Ascadian Isles

we also don't know what's underground. Maybe there is some water deep underground. In BCOM there is a well in Ald'run, for example.

I'm sure that there are some water sources as otherwise it would be hard to sustain a city

[rough salmon]

Short quest to help a nord get some courage. Something similar to "shoot me in the head" psycho from Borderlands 2

[half summit]

You just have to get him two matching axes

[rough salmon]

YES

[charred tide]

You can move the UI icons around in DN, x-axis, y-axis and change the orientation to horizontal or vertical

[little haven]

I want more quests where I help naked nords

[charred tide]

yes, that's a better way of moving it

very clean and well done

[warm saddle]

Thank you

Timehud and the compass mod have the same feature, hoping to see more mods use the mouse handlers

[sour leaf]

Skyrim lacked naked nords

Not nearly enough

[warm saddle]

Have you not seen the front page of Skyrim nexus ?

[sour leaf]

I mean vanilla Skyrim

It’s a game set in nord country and there’s very few naked nords

[half summit]

just proves the game was lacking i suppose... 🧐 alot less of that kind of thing since daggerfall

[half summit]

oh skyrim, never change..

[rotund epoch]

this is last month 😄

[half summit]

ffs 😂

[rotund epoch]

I sort of expeted big tits Lydia mod or sth there

[half summit]

just throw a dart

[rotund epoch]

here is Morrowind for comparison

what do you notice? 😅

guess that the communities are a lil bit different

[sour leaf]

Two sides of the virgin coin

[sour leaf]

Tag yourself

Im the dead guy's head

[rotund epoch]

Fine, I may be the dragon. After all, it's Morrowind's logo as well!

[true smelt]

Skyrim nexus == fallout 4 nexus

[rough salmon]

SD really doesn't like me idling in the chargen menu

Bro, I'm trying to come up with a name, no need to scream

[warm saddle]

I’ll take a look but I dont think it’s a critical error

[stable bronze]

I just discovered something that would be pretty important when using this mod, if the House Dagoth Cup isn't empty, Sul Matul won't acknowledge it

[warm saddle]

Interesting haha, it’ll empty out when you drink it obviously

[stable bronze]

yeah, sujama, on my Telvanni mage

no shot, I thought I was missing the corprus weepings, so I went all the way back to kogrun to find that corprus monster I killed earlier

[sour leaf]

That reminds me, either OAAB or TR adds a waterskin item. I forgot to check the origin but I stumbled across one while messing around.

Thought it would be cool if that could be used with SD somehow.

[warm saddle]

Yeah I think it’s with OAAB but I’ll have to check, yeah I’d like to add it to the list

[sour leaf]

Rad

[stable bronze]

I low-key want the House Dagoth Cup taken off of the list

[warm saddle]

Hahaha

Sure no problem

[true smelt]

And the Gem Encrusted goblet from Namira's quest as well

[half summit]

there's an item misc_flask_03 i cant find where it comes from, ori show Content file: -1 [None] so idk but id like it to be fillable, is it easy to add random items like that?

[sour leaf]

It should be filled with blood that gives you insta blight

[rotund epoch]

I find your lack of faith disturbing. Honour the Sixth House and the Tribe Unmourned.

[warm saddle]

It should already be added 0.o but yeah it’s not difficult to add items like that, I forget if it’s in sd_g.lua, sd_p.lua, or in the thirst module but you’ll want to look for the list of flasks and bottles

[sudden wedge]

Filling my bottles straight from walls now

[warm saddle]

Hmm

What's the item ID?

I can probably find it myself, or if you give me the cell

[warm saddle]

Btw, what unique abilities should vampires and werewolves have for temperature? Frostfall had some things for them but I forget, it's been a while

[ripe anvil]

Werewolves should be able to overcome every temperature in the wild

https://tenor.com/view/cat-muscle-lick-bodybuilder-sphinx-gif-27487814

While vampires....

[rough salmon]

are vampires cold-blooded?

[ripe anvil]

Yes

[ripe anvil]

Wait nvm, its the opposite

[warm saddle]

I think they're supposed to be "Warm blooded" as in their body temperature is always warm and never gets cold

Frostfall has a few settings that allow them to freeze to death and stuff though, or disabling that I think

[ripe anvil]

Tbh they aren't biologically cold blooded but rather as a quirk

[half summit]

I would say vampires should be mostly immune to cold untill they get hungry and then it gets worse but it only slows them down, like tgeir muscles are freezing but they dont take damage. Idk how that would play but it makes sense to me

Just waiting..

Or maybe just int damage

[charred tide]

vampires don't care about temperature. If I remember correctly, there are vampires living underneath the frozen lake of Solstheim

[warm saddle]

Bathing module now implemented btw 👍

[warm saddle]

@rotund epoch Eldafire is a flame atronach

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/instant-laughter-gif-21528635

[rough salmon]

Checks out

[true smelt]

@warm saddle okay something really creepy is happening

Posting the video in a sec

[true smelt]

https://streamable.com/g1741t Wow I forgot to post this

oops!

Dynamic Sounds is doing funny things with the Blizzard weather

[rough salmon]

What are those whispers? Replacer for Sound effect sfx?

[true smelt]

its from Dynamic Sounds

[rough salmon]

Guess I've never been in real blizzards then

Though some kind of replacer for that noise would be good to have too

[true smelt]

The best part was I was going to go do the Sheogorath quest to kill the giant bull netch

the voices while holding the fork was peak RP

[warm saddle]

That would be a mod adding a sound effect to the "Sound" buff

Do you use any of the modpacks ? I just found out there's a mod in a few of them that adds a sound effect to it

[true smelt]

I have total overhaul but it's heavily modded

I started hearing this after installing dynamic sounds

[warm saddle]

Hmm

I don't think dynamic sounds has one since I also installed it at one point and didn't get it but I'll add a blacklist, I can get you a new .omwaddon or you can disable the sleep personality/companion mechanics for sleep for the moment

Just checked and for you it's the companion mechanics but yeah I'll get a fix for that asap

[true smelt]

Na I don't mind it

It's really cool I'm ngl

[warm saddle]

Yeah except it's negative sound I think so it's a buff xD

[warm saddle]

Oh okay so yeah I'm 90% sure that's actually not Sun's Dusk and either Dynamic Sounds and/or Cutting Room Floor add voices to blight storms, blizzards and other storms

There are a few other conditions where you hear those sound effects as well such as in Ancestral tombs and in temples sometimes

[rotund epoch]

Does the temperature rise when you are near Uncle Crassius?

[warm saddle]

No but it should

And when you're near Neloth or Aryon

[stark ice]

#1440736097276530750 message

i was trying to figure out why i'm going up and down a level while using NCG and thought that sun's dusk and its "drain athletics" from cold exposure is the culprit, however another drain skill source (an amulet from TR) does not cause changes in lvl progression in NCG, anyone having any idea how can drain skill in sun's dusk be different from regular drain skill?

[astral mauve]

ektoplazm

[17:32:23.379 I] 'Autosave' is saved in 503.817ms
[17:32:24.112 I] L@0x1[scripts/ncg/player.lua]: DEBUG: Detected max health modifier: 10
[17:32:24.112 I] L@0x1[scripts/ncg/player.lua]: DEBUG: Player's health changed from 191 to 168 (diff -23)
[17:32:25.540 I] L@0x1[scripts/ncg/player.lua]: DEBUG: Detected new base attributes modifiers: { luck=5, intelligence=1, endurance=20, personality=15 }
[17:32:25.540 I] L@0x1[scripts/ncg/player.lua]: DEBUG: You have reached level 27
[17:32:25.540 I] L@0x1[scripts/ncg/player.lua]: DEBUG: Your Agility has decreased to 63
[17:32:25.540 I] L@0x1[scripts/ncg/player.lua]: DEBUG: Your Speed has increased to 58
[17:32:25.540 I] L@0x1[scripts/ncg/player.lua]: DEBUG: Your Personality has decreased to 78
[17:32:27.804 I] L@0x1[scripts/ncg/player.lua]: DEBUG: Detected max health modifier: 10
[17:32:27.804 I] L@0x1[scripts/ncg/player.lua]: DEBUG: Player's health changed from 168 to 171 (diff 3)
[17:32:28.813 I] L@0x1[scripts/ncg/player.lua]: DEBUG: Detected max health modifier: 10
[17:32:28.813 I] L@0x1[scripts/ncg/player.lua]: DEBUG: Player's health changed from 171 to 195 (diff 24)
[17:33:16.936 I] L@0x1[scripts/ncg/player.lua]: DEBUG: Detected new base attributes modifiers: { endurance=37, personality=15, luck=5, strength=6, intelligence=7 }
[17:33:16.936 I] L@0x1[scripts/ncg/player.lua]: DEBUG: Your Agility has increased to 64
[17:33:16.936 I] L@0x1[scripts/ncg/player.lua]: DEBUG: Your Personality has increased to 79
[17:33:26.123 I] L@0x1[scripts/ncg/player.lua]: DEBUG: Detected max health modifier: 10

Linked by @​ektoplazm from #Natural Character Growth · Nov 27, 2025, 2:36 PM

[warm saddle]

Sun's Dusk drain skill/attributes comes from an ability whereas spell effects from enchantments are not abilities

There's a mod called "abilities are modifiers" that I'd recommend but I don't think that would solve your problem entirely, not just with Sun's Dusk but if you use any alternate birth sign mods or mods that add racial abilities and such

[stark ice]

ok thanks, that's a pretty minor problem, just feels weird losing additional attributes and level from being cold

[warm saddle]

Yeah I agree, abilities no longer have any effect when leveling up but that's only when the vanilla leveling screen is displayed. I'll have to think of something else for NCG

[half summit]

Theres a MD mod that adds whispers to barrows too

[warm saddle]

I can finally play the game

[digital ledge]

Soaped up slip 'n slide mechanics or Sun's Dusk is 0/10.

I wanna be able to do the Ferris Buler's Day Off slide.

[warm saddle]

Very blessed nexus forums

[warm saddle]

Hmm

What to do about Telvanni Bug Musk ? I could have it be added to the inventory again for multiple uses like soap but it's also kinda op? Not sure if I like just removing something from the player's inventory though

[sour leaf]

This well in Suran doesn't function as a well

[sour leaf]

Immersive Telvanni Bug Musk lets you use it 4 times per bottle I think. It's also 4x more expensive in that mod

[warm saddle]

Yeah a mod generated it with lua so it wouldn't be 💀 rip

[warm saddle]

Good to know, I'll do that

[sour leaf]

I bet it's Static Switching System tbh

Idk of any other mod in my LO that uses lua and touches Suran specifically

[warm saddle]

Yeah I think I remember White Suran being done with that mod, I can check for the mesh model but I'll need ownlyme's help for that I think trying to think of something for ya in the meantime

[sour leaf]

I don't need a fix haha. Just figured you'd wanna know about it

I haven't started a proper playthrough yet because I can't stop fucking around with my modlist

[warm saddle]

Yeah sure thanks for letting me know

[sour leaf]

I've been messing with it since March and tried to start new games like 5 times

[warm saddle]

Haha real shit

[sour leaf]

I always restart for one reason or another

[warm saddle]

Yeah modding games and playing them are two different hobbies

Although people who play the game lots also benefit modders haha

[sour leaf]

I eventually stopped messing with FNV and did a full playthrough for that

That mod has much fewer interesting mods though

[sour leaf]

I wouldn't say I'm a modder (yet). I'm just trying to get a load order Im happy with lol

[warm saddle]

Lmfao, I was gonna post just a basic bathing module but some stuff ended up coming together and it looks like it'll be released with dynamic needs 💀 so it'll be a week or so for the update although the bathing module is done in its current state

Newest addition: reading before sleeping (either reading journal or a book) increases sleep quality

[sour leaf]

Dynamic needs is like, heat makes you thirsty, etc. right?

[sour leaf]

You're a madman

[sour leaf]

I had a couple ideas for the bathing module

Kinda goes into the dynamic needs territory though

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure, I won't be doing all the crazy disease stuff (yet) though I have the barebones for it, I'm just tryna combine all the bath mods for skyrim/morrowind that I've used and liked

[sour leaf]

What sort of features does that entail?

[sour leaf]

I think it was just a couple things. One of which was just that bug musk masks your smell for a certain amount of time which it seems like you already thought of.

The other was that Specific areas will make you grosser (swamp, sewers, volcanic areas) and being hot makes you get gross faster because sweat

[warm saddle]

Dirtiness depending on location, bad weather increases dirtiness, buffs for different kinds of soap (if TD or other mods that add soap are installed), buffs/debuffs for bathing in certain areas/cells, whatever I end up doing with telvanni bug musk, only allow bathing when wearing clothes or no armor (excluding helms and shoes), adding some support for oldwind mods

[warm saddle]

The heat one is good

Cold would too tbh since you get sweaty when you're cold asf

[sour leaf]

All great ideas

[sour leaf]

Is that a thing?

I think smell propagates better in hot air though

[warm saddle]

Well they're not ideas, they're already implemented I just have to finish testing them and iron out the kinks

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure, it would be less so for cold

[sour leaf]

That's what I meant haha

[warm saddle]

Actually wait, I think being cold would keep you from getting dirty ... I think

Something about ickies not being able to survive in the cold

[little haven]

this is why i never shower in winter

[sour leaf]

Yeah generally gross things grow where it's warm

[little haven]

cold keeps the smells down

[warm saddle]

!

Ice bath

[sour leaf]

Cleans you and wakes you up

[little haven]

when i was younger and braver, i did cold showers in winter, it was glacial

but i came out of it feeling alive

[warm saddle]

Same, I loved doing that stuff and it's my dream to go from a sauna to an icy lake in finland

I think they have a name for it

[little haven]

yeah

i would love to try that

[warm saddle]

Drink alcohol + swim in freezing water for the +Finn bonus

[sour leaf]

My friends and I went to a hot spring in Alaska. We kept getting out and getting back in just to feel something

[warm saddle]

Wish there were some hot springs around Morrowind or solstheim or something tbh, I don't think skyrim had any though nvm it had some in eastmarch south of windhelm

[sour leaf]

With some mods Morrowind adds sulphur pools lmao

[sour leaf]

Morrowind having a hot spring bath house makes so much sense tbh

[little haven]

we need this

[sour leaf]

I know bath house mods exist but specifically a hot spring?

Very surprising that the volcano game doesn't have that

[warm saddle]

There's a mod that adds a hot spring mesh, I think OAAB has one as well

there's a mod that adds bath houses currently in the works 👀 (not by me tho) and adding hot springs probably wouldn't be an issue

[sour leaf]

Kinda reminds me how Skyrim has a "get black out drunk and have a wedding you don't remember" quest but New Vegas doesn't even though that's like, a Vegas trope lol

[sour leaf]

By whomst?

[warm saddle]

idk if I should say so early 👀 but dubious

[sour leaf]

"Idk if I should say" and then immediately name drops him lmao

[warm saddle]

Stinkers 3 is an oldwind mod that isn't on nexus anymore, idfk if I got it from this discord or the other one but I had a few different versions of it and want it stripped of all its ||mwscripts|| and other such things so there are only the bathhouses, like the temple bathhouse mods on nexus already haha

[sour leaf]

I think I saw it on nexus?

[warm saddle]

There's also the provincial bath shoppe I'm adding support for which is ambitious in itself ...

Yeah I have temple bathhouses but prefer the stinkers 3 ones, although both are good imo

[sour leaf]

What do you prefer about the stinkers ones?

[warm saddle]

Well those add the bathhouses to each of the great houses which is where I get the idea for cell detection from, that one attaches ||mwscripts|| to activators which I can just detect or just detect other telvanni/redoran/hlaalu stuff and give the unique buffs from doing that

It also adds bathhouses to each of the faction cantons in vivec and a few other random places like sheogorad and the odai plateau

[sour leaf]

Ah gotcha

That's neat

[warm saddle]

Yeah, Uvirith's Legacy even had one of those activators haha

[sour leaf]

A mod I've had in my LO for like 3 years and have never engaged with lmao

[warm saddle]

One exception is that I'm making the Subterranean Balcony in the Port Telvannis inn a Telvanni bathhouse because it damn well should be

But yeah this is what telvanni bathhouses look like in that mod

[sour leaf]

That's pretty rad

[warm saddle]

I had to give them clothes bc they're nude otherwise

[little haven]

there was a mod in Daggerfall that made your clothes get wet if you went in water, so later you'd be more susceptible to freezing or getting cold

[warm saddle]

Yeah that's already implemented (I think ??) or at least something similar, ownlyme did most of the wetness stuff although I'll be tweaking some things

[little haven]

i'll have to test that out

[warm saddle]

Being wet definitely makes you colder though haha

[little haven]

it probably happened but i didn't pay attention

[warm saddle]

No prob haha there's been a lot going on

[warm saddle]

to do

• finish vampire and werewolf temp stuff
• polish and test bathing stuff
• API + implement dynamic needs

[sour leaf]

Sorry to keep asking questions but what do you have planned for vampires and werewolves? 🤨

[warm saddle]

Hey hey no prob haha, I'll be following the theme of the Supernatural and Immortal settings of the other needs modules but for temperature, Supernatural for vampires will likely be "you can't die or take reduced damage from weather extremes" and "your body temperature hovers around warm, direct sunlight = much higher heat" or something and Immortal will likely be similar but more extreme like, "you never get hot unless in direct sunlight and you don't get cold debuffs past chilly" for werewolves I would give them buffs in general since werewolves aren't that cool as far as gameplay goes iirc

[sour leaf]

Oooh

[warm saddle]

Werewolves for sure will get good buffs for keeping warm to actually make it an incentive to become one from the quest xD idk who becomes a werewolf other than diehard hircine enjoyers or something

[little haven]

Anything that buffs those is welcome