Sun's Dusk: Needs & Survival

[rotund epoch]

I turn off player and actor shadows because they are shit

But world shadows are ok

[ripe anvil]

But yeah having that small detail with shadows affecting your temperature is very immersive

[sour leaf]

actor shadows phasing through the walls has always bugged me lmao

[rotund epoch]

Yeah, they are garbage

[ripe anvil]

Imagine hiding behind an npc from the sun or using its shadow to affect your temperature, that'll be mind blowing detail

[warm saddle]

Don't think it does interior temperatures although I know that happens sometimes outside too haha

[sour leaf]

Oh I didn’t mean in relation to this mod lmao

I just meant when you walk into a two story house and can see everyone walking around upstairs when you’re downstairs

[winter bay]

Hello! Thanks for the great mod!
Tell me, where did the display of the climate type in the menu disappear in the latest versions (in 1.1 it seemed to still be there)? For example, the temperate climate in Necrom.
Another small addition about the climate, I believe that in the Bitter Coast region, the climate is rather transitional from marine (or subtropical) to temperate and mountainous (West Gash region).

[stark ice]

is it possible to disable woodcutting popups?

[warm saddle]

Hey hey you’re welcome :) it’s a pleasure
The climate type is displayed in the tooltip, to see more details for the tooltip, increase the debug setting in the environment settings until you see the amount of information you want to see

Anything outside of Vvardenfell is considered temperate as that’s the default temperature outside of areas covered in Project Tamriel, so Necrom was until I changed its temperature when I did all of the mainland
As far as climate goes, I based the bitter coast temperatures off of what’s in the lore but are you talking about the temperature or something else?

[warm saddle]

The castbar you mean ?

[rotund epoch]

I don't get the corked/uncorked restriction. Why the heck would I be unable to fill a corked bottle with water? The cork is not stuck, lol.

[warm saddle]

Because you shouldn’t be able to carry a bunch of cups around that are full of water

Which is why you spill them when you jump

[rotund epoch]

I'm talking about bottles

[warm saddle]

Yeah, those too

A bottle without a cork spills

[rotund epoch]

Why can't I refill a corked bottle near water?

[warm saddle]

Because you don’t refill near water

[rotund epoch]

I'm swimming

[warm saddle]

You refill by swimming and by interacting with wells if you have those settings enabled

Submerged ?

[rotund epoch]

Yeah

Can refill near well

Not in water

[warm saddle]

Is the setting disabled ?

[rotund epoch]

Btw let's not pretend that getting a cork for a bottle would be hard.

[warm saddle]

Besides, you cool yourself off with those

[warm saddle]

And you’re completely underwater ?

[rotund epoch]

Is breathing meter enough?

I guess so

[warm saddle]

Should be

[rotund epoch]

But I dived several times, anyway

[warm saddle]

What are the item IDs of the things that aren’t being refilled in water ?

Because yeah different items are refilled in different places

[rotund epoch]

Not sure whether this will be useful because I refilled at well

[warm saddle]

Can you show me the tooltip?

Actually yeah no those items don’t refill by swimming haha

[rotund epoch]

anyway, corked/uncorked bottle restrictions are just noise. There is literally no reason while I shouldn't be able to refill those bottles by swimming if it's allowed at all

when you have a corked bottle that you need to refill, you can remove the cork

It's just logical. Also, IMO pretending that corking uncorked bottles wouldn't be easy is not good, either. If the concern is that the player can store too many bottles in the inventory or sth, then just increase weight of full bottles. Currently it's 2. Empty bottle is 1.

If you want to make items varied, then I think that it would make sense to give jugs more capacity because currently they have weight 2 (empty) and can store the same amount of water as a bottle (weight 1)

[half summit]

Get slowchu to make an uncork hotkey mod

[warm saddle]

Tamriel data required though

[rotund epoch]

I would gladly pay 1 gold to cork the bottle

I can suffer this

[warm saddle]

No corks in vanilla

[rotund epoch]

if I have to buy the corks

do it

but damn

Other suggestion: make it possible to cut down shrubs for firewood. They could spawn fewer amount of firewood than trees but could be cut down faster

[half summit]

Use this https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/images/11531

[rotund epoch]

I saw many shrubs in the West Gash and the Ascadian Isles which don't count as "trees" so they can't be cut down

maybe shrubs could be cut down without axes while trees couldn't

because I don't see how I'm cutting them down without an axe

[warm saddle]

No

[rotund epoch]

well, yes, they cannot be cut down 😅

[warm saddle]

1. This isn’t ashfall
2. If you want less firewood you can either find small trees/logs or buy it from a vendor

Next update will have a setting to disable tree removal

[rotund epoch]

Excellent! 👌🏻

[warm saddle]

It’s onLoad though, don’t think there’s a cooldown so if you want to cheese it you’ll have to save and reload

[rotund epoch]

onLoad?

what does it mean?

do I need to exit and return to the cell?

[warm saddle]

No, like exit the game

[half summit]

Thats super impressive ❤️‍🔥

[warm saddle]

Also the reason why hardcore by default makes you die after waiting 24 hours is to prevent cheesing restocking + selling

[rotund epoch]

Haven't even thought about cheesing btw. Don't even know why would someone try doing sth like this. My only concern is that permanent landscape changes mess up the level design and aren't realistic considering the loreful world scale (it's not just some small island but a big one so one guy wouldn't be able to cut down everything no matter how hard he tried).

also, firewood isn't even valuable

there are so many ways to make money in-game that trying to sell items that are worth... what... 5 gold?... seems pointless lol

if sth seems unbalanced then increase the weight. This is usually the answer.

[warm saddle]

No, like reselling items in general

[rotund epoch]

you mean buying and then reselling to the same merchant for more?

BMS solves this

[warm saddle]

Not everyone plays with that mod haha, I don’t even know what that is

[rotund epoch]

Better Merchant Skills

it's part of Expanded Vanilla

it's mym's mod

that alone means that it's worth installing

[warm saddle]

Ok haha

[rotund epoch]

and it's highly customisable

so def recommended

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/54337

ATM stews are much more cheesable than firewood btw

you can use two 1 value ingredients to create 30 value stews

so it's the old alchemy problem

[warm saddle]

Enjoy the cooking UI then xD

[stark ice]

well both castbar and prompts which appear when you hover over trees, punching trees each time im trying to collect some shrooms feels weird

[winter bay]

Thanks! It seems clear now.
As for the climate, I assumed this based on the Köppen climate classification, since Morrowind is located in the northern part of the continent of Tamriel, as well as the proximity of the Bitter Coast to the Inner sea and the limitation of the hillock in the eastern part.
Where did you get the climate information? Very interesting

[rotund epoch]

the game is usually vague about temperature because it's not part of any mechanic so it's rarely mentioned anywhere

but Bitter Coast is described as "humid swamps"

[winter bay]

Yes, it gives a lot of freedom in terms of climate determination.
What I found in TES lore: "Morrowind is not known for extreme temperatures, but at Vvardenfell's heart the temperatures can get unbearably hot. Most of the mainland has mild to hotter temperatures."

[rotund epoch]

Vvardenfell is obviously not a cold place overall. It has a giant volcano in the middle and the fauna is full of insects. Ascadian Isles is described as "temperate" region.

as for the mainland, some of the remote places in Telvanni territory are cold and Velothi Mountains are cold as well

[winter bay]

Yes, it's snowing in the Nivalis. I would assume that it has a climate similar to Solstheim

[rotund epoch]

it's also not surprising that Redoran prefer Redguard mercenaries. Redguard would probably understand the Ashlands quicker than other races

[winter bay]

It is strange that this is no snow in the Sheogorad region, although it is located south of Solstheim, and the influence of the Red Mountain is possible.

[winter bay]

Yes, there might be something to it.
Pity the Argonian on the snowy island

I'm wondering if it's possible to create a new weather system for Morrowind in the near future, where weather changes would occur on the entire map, not just in active cells. Then it would be possible to observe ash storms from relatively good weather in Vivec.

[rotund epoch]

pretty sure it would snow there if seasons were implemented in-game

there are some mods which add a chance for snow and blizzard weather in Sheogorad

This also tells us sth about the place, haha

[winter bay]

It's so strange that initially the whole island was planned as an uninhabited ash wasteland, when the whole of Morrowind and the mainland were still planned, but in the end everything turned out to be in the compressed space of the island)

[rotund epoch]

@warm saddle

[winter bay]

Now I always carry warm fur gloves and a fur hat with a scarf)

[little haven]

What time constraints do to a mf

[rotund epoch]

Not just that. Mainland is bigger than Vvardenfell. Hard to implement everything with MW's lvl of detail

We would probably end up with many procgen areas

[little haven]

Yeah

It's good that we got TR instead because they have less technological constraints

And they have all the time in the world

[rotund epoch]

I guess that Skill Framework integration is coming in the future but I wonder... how hard would it be to add NCGD decay for Cooking skill from Sun's Dusk? 😄 @indigo anchor @warm saddle

[indigo anchor]

If cooking is a skill registered to the skill framework, then NCGDMW could integrate the framework and make those skill decay

[sour leaf]

Oooh

[rough salmon]

Sounds like a wonderful way of interoping the mods

[half summit]

Yeah that sounds awesome

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-gif-11044008572353593456

[warm saddle]

Yeah, ik what you mean. I’ve wanted to hide the tooltip (which would prevent the castbar from coming up) under certain conditions but it’s not a straightforward change

[warm saddle]

I based the temperatures on the little in-game lore there is, the Dunmer in Skyrim, weather records, geography, local flora and vibes (inc walls of text)

pt 1/?

The Guide to Vvardenfell has some information, like this about the Bitter Coast:
The western coast of Vvardenfell from Seyda Neen north to Gnaar Mok is called the Bitter Coast. The salt marshes and humid swamps of this region are uninhabited, with the only settlements found at the good harbors of Gnaar Mok, Hla Oad, and Seyda Neen. Also called the Smuggler's Coast, the region's secluded coves and islands provide refuge for criminal trade, and the frequent rain and fog hides small boats from Excise cutters.

It also says

Only recently open to settlement and trade, most of the island's population is confined to the relatively hospitable west and southwest coast, centered on the ancient city of Vivec and the old Great House district centers at Balmora, Ald'ruhn, and Sadrith Mora. The rest of the island is covered by hostile desert wastes, arid grasslands, and volcanic badlands, and thinly populated by the nomadic Ashlander tribes.

The Dunmer in Skyrim (ES: V) often complain about the cold in Windhelm and while the velothi mountains (I think that’s where they lead to ?) are cold in themselves, only Redoran in TR live there and have special equipment for it, or at least I interpret Bonemold to be built specially based on the books Bone I and Bone II, so the rest of the Dunmer probably wouldn’t like the cold, meaning that the other areas Dunmer live in are temperate to hot

Pt 2/?

For weather records for most locations, I mostly looked at clear weather %, cloudy/rainy/thunderstorm %, snow %, and ashstorm %. Most places that have a chance of getting ashstorms, the exception being ald’ruhn, its immediate surroundings, and Maar Gan, are classified as “Ashlands” which I kinda interpreted to be like a desert with hot days and cool nights. The only tropical places on Vvardfenfell are on the Bitter Coast, which are the areas that have the highest % of rain. The only temperate areas are in the Ascadian isles which I based off of the Guide to Vvardfenfell which describes them as “rich agricultural areas”

The urban areas of Vivec and Ebonheart of the southern coast are densely populated; the inland Ascadian Isles are dotted with small farms and large plantations. The climate is temperate and comfortable, with moderate rainfall.
There’s also Azura’s Coast,
The rugged coast and islands of northern and eastern Vvardenfell are called Azura's Coast. The region is rocky, infertile, and largely uninhabited…
And Molag Amur
Molag Amur is an uninhabited wasteland of rocky hills, steep-sided ravines, lava pools, and barren ash pavements. Pathfinding and travel is extremely difficult in this trackless wilderness, and is complicated by frequent ash storms.
The only place on Vvardenfell that is cold most of the time is off land on Sheogorad which has the only % chance of getting snow, and to snow the temperature has to be hovering around freezing even at noon where I peak the temperature. Dagon Fel is the only notable settlement imo and so it’s slightly warmer just because of heat sources + population, although it’s still along the Sea of Ghosts on the coast. The islands further to the sound are a mix between being off shore from the Ashlands and being cold like the rest of Sheogorad

pt 3/?
With geography, I mostly looked at water sources (proximity to water) and heat sources like lava

The Odai River is relatively mountainous (at least with the mods I had in my load order) and alongside a river, so even though i think it’s in the Bitter Coast region, I interpreted it to be a bit cooler and put it as a “coastal” climate, meaning that while it gets cooler at night, the nearby water would help it retain some of its daytime temperature and wouldn’t get as cold as places such as the Ashlands at night. Since Balmora is also right on the water, I considered it to be coastal as well but warmer because of urban heat

Molag Amur and other places around Red Mountain have lava beds and sulfur pools from mods I believe, so I interpreted it to be warm especially with the only “mountains” being foyadas, or old lava beds
The only exception I make to this is with Tel Uvirith which I like to think the Telvanni enchant their towers to be hospitable and comfortable and slightly warm since I’ve established at this point that Dunmer like warmth and Telvanni either only wear clothes or light (Cepholopod) or medium (Bonemold) armor

Grasslands has few trees (although more with mods) rolling hills and fertile Grazeland, so I interpret it as not having the temperature extremes of the Ashlands but having more temperature than coastal areas, although I consider the area right off of Vos as being coastal since it’s right across from Tel Mora

Azura’s Coast I consider coastal and cooler than the Ascadian Isles, probably in the same ball park as Gnisis and Khuul since it’s mostly rocky + water coastline and described as inhospitable with no farmland, although like I said I made a few Telvanni warm spots since enchanted muchrooms. I did the same with some Telvanni locations on the mainland + Port Telvannis

pt 4/?

This was kinda after I set the temperatures but someone in the discord server was able to find maps with Vvardfenfell flora mapped on them and it mostly lined up with what I had already established which was cool to see

As for vibes, kinda the only thing not covered at this point is Solstheim, a few cities and the Mainland

Solstheim in the vanilla kinda sucks so I went off of Tomb of the Snow Prince, with the only “warm” spots being Fort Frostmoth (southern part of the island + imperial) and Skaal Village. Colder than Sheogorad since snow is more frequent, I still made Skaal village around freezing or slightly above freezing since while there aren’t many heat sources in-town and it’s somewhat high elevation on a mountain, it’s still some kind of shelter from the elements and I wanted it to kinda be a place of respite for players, so that after climbing cold asf mountains and dealing with the cold increasing as you make your way up the island, the player is like “finally, some shelter” as soon as they enter the town gates. The glaciers in the northeast part of the island I made significantly colder though

Ald’ruhn and Maar Gan, while being in the Ashlands and getting Ash Storms are right on the border of Red Mountain at least in my load order and I have a hard time seeing them get as cold as the Ashlands. Same with Koguruhn. I figure there’s a reason why Redoran, the only Great House that has any presence here, wears Bonemold which I’ve kinda established protects them from extreme temperatures + harsh weather
I think I have Ald’ruhn as warmer than Maar Gan since the player spends more time here and I’d want them to at least consider wearing Bonemold, chitin or netch armor, all of which I put as special armor for protection from the heat

pt 5/?

As for the mainland, I went entirely off of vibes and a few weather records since I couldn’t get the TR team to give me anything and couldn’t remember a ton of lore. Sea of Ghosts I have as freezing since it gets snow, Port Telvannis is slightly warmer since there are plantations there and some kind of vegetation, but still cooler since it’s an island. The northern part of Telvanni territory I have as coastal since it’s alongside rivers or the sea, or hot in the southern territories since it’s a valley with little shelter and only Dwemer and Daedric Ruins

Sacred Lands is gorgeous and I can’t see it being hot since it’s all mountains and alongside water and waterfalls, Necrom is right on the sea and high in elevation so I see it as being cooler although a heat spot because of urban, although most of the residents are spirits so it isn’t as warm as other cities

Mephalan Vales I have a mix of temperate + hot because there are a few volcanos in the area but still some cooler spots

I forget the name of the region but the northern eastern part of the River Thirr that’s kinda a swamp I have as being hot since I the flora gives me Bitter Coast vibes although slightly cooler since it’s just south of Azura’s Coast

The River Thirr I see as being a mix of coastal + plantations in the north + swamp near Hla Oad. Roa Dyr is gorgeous and gives me warmer than Almas Thirr but cooler than the surrounding areas

Old Ebonheart gives me New England vibes, the city itself obviously and being high in elevation on the coast and being a trade port although I could be wrong. I made it somewhat colder than the other areas along the River Thirr since I kinda want the player to take temperature into consideration when exploring the city

pt 6/?

Redoran areas in the West I made freezing around the Velothi Mountains and cooler/temperate in the mountains and lowlands that are directly west of the Thirr River, hot in the Armun region since it gets ash storms and custom weather in MWSE, it’s also described as inhospitable

Temperature increases as you make your way down the Thirr River towards Narsis, although I made Narsis cooler than the rest of the area because it’s surrounded by water and even though it’s right on the border of the desert, I noticed the architecture of the city has “air conditioners” like the Persian city of Yazd which I thought was fucking sick, but the rest of the surrounding desert is hot asf

But yeah when I was brainstorming for temperatures, I didn’t have all of these specific climates and ideas in mind but I knew that I didn’t want to hard code regional temperatures like Frostwind and Ashfall, since there were some locations like the Odai river that I’d consider to be warmer than the surrounding areas. I also didn’t want to put a place like Vivec in the same temperature as the Ascadian Isles, etc. So in general there are areas within regions that have different temperatures, meaning that just setting a

Also a problem that Frostwind/Ashfall have is that when Tamriel rebuilt changes the name of a region, the region name in Ashfall also has to be updated, which makes it incompatible with anyone who doesn’t have the latest version of TR

I didn’t want to have this same problem, so I created an entirely different system of setting temperatures that no other Morrowind mod has done and possibly any other Elder Scrolls survival mod and even though it was a lot of work, I’m very happy with how it came out

Of course I’m open to debate and questioning temperatures of regions but Vvardenfell likely isn’t changing since I can back up half of it with lore and the rest of it for other reasons although I’ve considered adding a setting for “Vvardenfell is cold” since some people have different ideas of what the island is like, and also maybe they want something like Frostfall but for Morrowind

Anyway what an essay … but yeah that’s everything I considered when doing temperatures

[rotund epoch]

Thank you for the TED talk. It was an enjoyable read

[warm saddle]

I’ll take a look haha

[rough salmon]

yeah, sure

[warm saddle]

Yeah I’ll be doing at least two skills for the Skill Framework but probably won’t add decay for cooking or avoid it as much as possible since I don’t see it as realistic and also eventually there will be perks for the skills and don’t want the player to have decay with perks

Also in general even if you go without cooking for an extended period of time, you can still remember how to cook

[warm saddle]

Yeah I put a lot into it, those temperatures are my heart and soul

Also I based most of them off of what I’d expect a dunmer to experience, the other races have racial abilities to help with the temperatures but it’s mostly dunmer that live there so it’s a Dunmer’s world

Also I did the temperature locations on Vvardenfell based off of most of the landscape mods in the TO modlist, 1) because even though I don’t use TO I have most of the landscape mods there 2) If I played my empty cfg that I usually use for testing for more than an hour or two at a time I’d lose my mind, I wanted to actually enjoy running around and getting the proper feel of an area

[rough salmon]

also maybe check this one
found it in Kogoruhn from City of Ash mod

[warm saddle]

Hmm

Yeah sure

[rough salmon]

I just don't know if it's this mod's thing or widely-used

[warm saddle]

It’s OAAB which might mess with some OAAB overhauls but I should be able to exclude that cell

[rough salmon]

It's this one, then

[warm saddle]

Word thank you

[sour leaf]

Phisto?

[warm saddle]

Think it might be from a Kogoruhn mod but there are a few popular ones, one of which that I use so imo it’s worth excluding and doesn’t do any harm

[warm saddle]

Oh but yeah a big problem I have rn is that I want to do a showcase video but not sure how to properly show 20+ hours of temperature baddassery in a few minutes

Not to mention all the gear, racial, spell and wetness mechanics of temperature <_>

[rough salmon]

You don't need to list EVERYTHING in the showcase. It can be explained in detail in the readme/description

Unless you're making a full on guide, your goal is to show mod's potential and give viewers an idea of what your mod does

[warm saddle]

Yeah, I could do a guide later

Excited to show off the red mountain thing though

[rough salmon]

Maybe a separate video with the moment to moment gameplay of the mod would be good to have too. At least, it seems to me, people liked videos Demanufacturer was making showcasing "Morrowind in 2025" or something

[warm saddle]

Good idea

For now I think I just want to do a showcase video that’s a few minutes long since I got new video editing software I need to learn and also just want to give people a snippet

I’ll also eventually do a gameplay video with just vanilla since 95% of the features in both a vanilla, unmodded Morrowind an a TO modlist are the same

Gonna do my thicc modlist for the main video since playing vanilla is a … struggle for me but still want to show that no matter how big your modlist is, Sun’s Dusk should be in it

[rough salmon]

And a big accent on compatibility!

I'm sure that's a huge thing for any seasoned modded player

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure, idt there’s any mod it’s incompatible with 🧐 but if there is I’d want to know so I can fix that

It’s even compatible with devilish needs and the oldwind survival mods although they’re kinda obsolete at this point imo

We could do most of the ashfall features if we wanted to but without TD and OAAB as a requirement it’s best to go in a unique direction too I think

[rotund epoch]

Not really. I tried that with DN by installing SD mid-game and there were various issues. I wouldn't recommend doing that.

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure, I tested some stuff between them and I think the only thing I noticed was water but I’m sure there were other problems

Maybe safe on a new save but yeah don’t think there’s a reason to install both of them together

Openmw enjoyers can now flex on MWSE enjoyers that we now have our own cool survival mod and we did everything in like 5 weeks, who knows what’ll happen in the long run

[sour leaf]

Im conflicted because I like that this mod doesn't rely on those huge resource libraries but it would be cool to see some of those Ashfall features. Maybe an optional module or something but that seems like a lot of work for something optional lol

[warm saddle]

Yeah maybe when we’re done with most of the main features although tbh I haven’t looked at a lot of Merlord’s code so I haven’t researched most of its features

[sour leaf]

this is the wiki: https://github.com/jhaakma/ashfall/wiki

[warm saddle]

Although I will say it’ll likely never have crafting since we already did that

[sour leaf]

It hasn't been edited since 2020 though

[sour leaf]

That's fair lol

Also, I know Soltha's weather pack is used by a lot of people but ngl I'd love to see your take on a similar concept for SD

[warm saddle]

I can peek at the changelog for ashfall but yeah I’m big on not having any requirements, everything that requires another mod will be 100% optional

[rough salmon]

Got any progress on wetness hud display btw?

[warm saddle]

Yeah I might once the main weather module is done

[sour leaf]

It's one of those things where I think most people have OAAB and TD installed anyway but it's nice that those aren't required. Keeps the mod very lightweight

[rough salmon]

yay more bars!
me like bars!

[warm saddle]

There are a few options but tbh I like this one the most, I was going to do a Velothi icon since I already had one picked out but this is just

[sour leaf]

It does look clean

[warm saddle]

I didn’t think ownlyme ever wanted to add another bar UI after the trauma from the temp bar but here we are

[sour leaf]

Who designed the velothi icons btw?

[warm saddle]

Me

[sour leaf]

Oh no way haha

That's sick

[warm saddle]

I did all the icons except for like 2 of the modern one haha

Yeah they came out well

I only wanted the Daedric and velothi tbh but ownlyme likes icons in a very particular style so I made those specifically for him, didn’t expect them to be popular but I’ve seen a few people with them

[rough salmon]

DEMGongOfFire 😋

[sour leaf]

Isn’t it just Velothi and Modern?

[rough salmon]

Also this

Also also this

[warm saddle]

Oh but yeah I forgot to mention, not having these as a requirement means that you can run it even on a Gameboy

[warm saddle]

There’s Daedric which is just Daedric letters

[sour leaf]

That doesn’t seem to be showing up in my settings

[sour leaf]

The fuck lol

[warm saddle]

Yeah … someone did a MR on some code for detecting other water sources and it was good but I was a little sus to say the least haha

[warm saddle]

Blurpanda plays Morrowind on a Gameboy haha

[sour leaf]

But why

[warm saddle]

No idea haha

But yeah the performance is a little sus with the current UI but ownlyme did a ton of performance tweaks and now it’s (in a good way)

[sour leaf]

That’s wild lol

[warm saddle]

I’ll put out the update either later tonight or tomorrow, kinda don’t want to do it tonight since it’s late for the Europeans

But I also don’t think it’s necessary for people to download an update right away unless they’re having significant bug problems

[rough salmon]

1:30 for GMT +2

[warm saddle]

Also unlike ownlyme, uploading is my least favorite part of making mods

Having to update the readme, mod description, etc is unpleasant to me although he doesn’t do any of that with his own mods lmao

[rough salmon]

uhhhhhh

[warm saddle]

Yeah the wetness formula is currently ... wonky haha, it's fixed in the update

[rough salmon]

So I've completed an excursion to Kogoruhn
Tried sleeping for 10 hrs multiple times with no avail - tiredness got stuck on 67%
And after drinking regular bottle of water I started to melt

[warm saddle]

0.o

Hmmm

something isn't right then

[rough salmon]

No errors and I don't think I did anything unordinary in the last few hours

[warm saddle]

You have a thicc modlist right?

[rough salmon]

yeah, around 750 mods

[warm saddle]

Word I'll check it out, there were a few weird bugs with the abilities not updating properly for some reason

At least 2 of them were fixed with the update but I'm not sure if one of them is causing yours though

What does eating hackle-lo do for you? I can give you the item code if you want

[rough salmon]

Doing reloadlua and sleeping for another 10 hrs unstuck the tiredness and reset my temperature

[rough salmon]

gimme code

[warm saddle]

player->additem ingred_hackle-lo_leaf_01 15

Obviously a very ... bandaid fix but just in case it happens again before the update haha

So what, you went to Kogoruhn, drank water then slept in Bal Isra ?

[rough salmon]

Interesting
Loading a save when I took a nap first time has stuck tiredness too

[warm saddle]

Hmm

Yeah I think there was a fix for an onLoad and onSave problem

We've consistently had problems with that although it's different each time <_> every time we fix one of those, something else sometimes gets weird

[rough salmon]

went to Kogoruhn
drank a water from abnormal sources (those screenshots)
activated cooking gong a few times

went to Bal Isra
slept (no tiredness update, other needs probably too)
drank water (templerature got comically high)

[warm saddle]

Very weird

Actually

There might not have been any immediate errors, but at the very top of the reloadlua you did, when all the lua mods load/initialise, there might have been an error in sd_p.lua but it can get buried under the walls of messages especially if you have debug level trace enabled

as you probably saw haha

[rough salmon]

Done
Didn't notice anything

[rough salmon]

Maybe it's already gone, but I didn't see anything (I have default debug level)

[warm saddle]

Also this update will have some warmth value for stew and food

Not everything because uhhh there are like 2000 items I need to go through but at least it will be implemented

Nice and thicc changelog

[rotund epoch]

Why does chopping down trees increase my Security?

[rough salmon]

I guess ideally the stove should be lit up

[warm saddle]

Kinda hard to tell with that although we could detect if it's near a heat source maybe 🧐

[rough salmon]

I'll also politely ask to add this furnace to the whitelist pretty please :3

[warm saddle]

I checked and I think hovering over the fire in that should work

Although I can give you the line of code to edit if you want to add the hearth to it rn

[rough salmon]

Nah, I'd prefer to see it in the official release

[warm saddle]

Yeah sure np

[rough salmon]

Doesn't seem to be the case

Though inside the furnace there's a separate log object

[warm saddle]

hmm

do you want that or the redoran hearth ?

Which is easier ?

[rough salmon]

I guess the furnace. It both makes sense and is easier to select

[rotund epoch]

This and Maar Gan Ice Cave ( ) are the only new bugs I've encountered. Definitely enjoying the mod and it complements Hunterwind well. I find lack of portable bedroll disturbing, though. The mod works without it because you can rest in the wilderness even with that -50% penalty to tiredness restoration but it's weird not to have a portable bedroll option in such a mod.

[warm saddle]

Great to hear those are the only bugs you've had although there have been a few more you've managed to avoid <_> such as what sov encountered earlier although for some reason I've had a hard time replicating some of these but thankfully nothing critical other than what you had when you first installed it

[rotund epoch]

It works well except creatures spawning in cities. What else is there to add?

[sour leaf]

I like it I just think it would be cool to see how hyacinth tackles the same idea

Especially with the detail he put into climate zones

[warm saddle]

Also figured the portable bedroll would be better covered by the camping mod but since you want it so much I don't see the point of not adding it haha, it probably won't be in this update but will be in a near-future update

[sour leaf]

And how it would interact with needs

[sour leaf]

were you planning to make a separate camping mod?

[rotund epoch]

I only mentioned new bugs as I guess you will fix Balmora FG Ice Cave

[sour leaf]

I do think a bedroll would complement the fire building nicely

[warm saddle]

Yeah I fixed that in this update haha

[rotund epoch]

That will be part of dynamic needs

[sour leaf]

Gotcha

[warm saddle]

Weather interacting with needs will be in the weather module but yeah I'd want to check out soltha's weather mod more before thinking about doing a kind of "weather overhaul", I'd probably make that a separate module as just an option

[rotund epoch]

Weather will affect needs then

[warm saddle]

Yup

[sour leaf]

That would be cool

[warm saddle]

And racial abilities

[rotund epoch]

Cool

[warm saddle]

Tbh the only reason why the weather module hasn't been released yet is for the UI it'll be a new UI independent of what's already there and I'll probably be the one doing all the programming for it since ownlyme doesn't like what I have planned haha

[sour leaf]

What do you have planned?

[rotund epoch]

That mod is part of the modlists and it has things one can expect like blight disease caused by blight storm. Not really an overhaul, more like an addition.

[warm saddle]

It'll be similar to the legend of zelda botw/totk weather widget which some people probably won't like, I'm not sure if ownlyme will do a different one but it'll just be optional

[sour leaf]

I don’t hate that

[warm saddle]

Yeah ownlyme has some ideas for the creature spawning, that would be an optional thing of course but he has some ideas on how to improve it and not make it as buggy haha

[rotund epoch]

Yeah I disabled the creatures

[warm saddle]

I like them a lot but I agree it can get a little silly

But there are a ton of blight weather mods that I'd want to consolidate, that might be a separate module too though

Weather apocalypse mod

[sour leaf]

It also makes it so the blight storms get worse as the story goes on

[rotund epoch]

When I hear Zelda I immediately think of this cartoony art style so if it's anything like this I guess it will be turned off in my game

[sour leaf]

I think he means functionality wise and not design wise

[sour leaf]

What sort of ideas do you have?

[warm saddle]

It's the one in the bottom left

[rotund epoch]

Yeah it's nice. I'm not doing the MQ so it's just getting worse although looking at the readme it's not terrible because cap is 25% when reaching 500 days

[warm saddle]

Wouldn't include the time, just the current weather and next weather though

[rotund epoch]

What would it be used for?

[warm saddle]

To display the current weather and next weather

To know if an ashstorm is coming up for an example or if it's currently raining and will clear up or turn into a storm, etc

[rotund epoch]

Cool

[sour leaf]

I still think it’s cool

[warm saddle]

I liked that a lot, helps you prepare for the next weather

[rotund epoch]

I'm not saying it isn't. I said it's nice 😄

[sour leaf]

Oh gotcha lmao. Misunderstood

[sour leaf]

It’s also kinda immersive because it’s like watching clouds roll in sorta

[rotund epoch]

Yeah it can be fun although weather changes rather quickly in MW so not sure how useful it will be.

[warm saddle]

Yeah and the weather API allows you to see the next weather which is nice so it's not crazy difficult or anything

Also timehud will get an update for sun's dusk integration which will allow you to hide that hud indoors

[rotund epoch]

Weather hud?

[warm saddle]

?

Weather hud will be in Sun's Dusk probably although adding it to timehud would be significantly easier but yeah I could also allow that to be disabled indoors

[rotund epoch]

Hiding weather hud?

[warm saddle]

Although I think it would just show interior weather indoors

[rotund epoch]

No real weather in interiors unless we count Mournhold

[warm saddle]

I think interior weather exists but not entirely sure

This is a vent but I love when ownlyme sends me an "updated" version and the first thing I have to do is debug

[rough salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-shut-shut-bird-shut-up-crow-shut-crow-gif-27041638

[sour leaf]

My coworker does this all the time. He straight up doesn’t check his code lmao

[warm saddle]

Drives me crazy

[sour leaf]

I genuinely think he doesn’t know how to test run his code

[warm saddle]

But it’s all good haha, everything ends up working out in the end

[sour leaf]

I meant my coworker to be clear haha

Like they always ask me to test run and bug fix it

[warm saddle]

Oh gotcha haha

[sour leaf]

Yeah so I don’t think he’s ever test run his own code lmao

[ripe anvil]

What companion do you have, if you don't mind me asking

Mod*

[humble mica]

what if chopping trees aggroed nearby spriggans

[ripe anvil]

Fargoth doesn't like it

[rotund epoch]

I will give you sth more radical. What if chopping trees lowered axe's durability? 😮

What if chopping trees with your hands was impossible? 😱 Could we handle such extremism?

[humble mica]

agreed. chopping trees with a combat axe should be ruinous to its condition. the edge architecture is all wrong for woodcutting

[half summit]

It would be hilarious to tie it to greenpact, you'd have to add burning bones in campfire

Oh that could be a good hunterwind crossover

[warm saddle]

In the update it’ll aggro people if you chop a tree down inside a building

Definitely wouldn’t be difficult to do spriggans

[warm saddle]

In the update it’ll only be axes i think

[humble mica]

challenge mode: 1/1000 chance that when you chop down a tree a spriggan pops out and attacks you

lorax style

[sour leaf]

What if spriggan corpses could be turned into campfires

[rotund epoch]

challenge mode: when you cut down a tree, there is a 0,01% chance of an assassin spawning and saying: Fargoth says hello.

[sour leaf]

challenge mode: when you cut down a tree, there is a 0,01% chance of an assassin The Lorax spawning and saying: Fargoth says hello.

[rotund epoch]

Wood Elf Executioner Squad

player cannot see them

dies immediately

[warm saddle]

But yeah it’s more of a thing that the only way you’ll be able to cut down trees is by wacking them down

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/axe-axe-you-can-i-axe-you-something-gif-3854550601263507142

I carry a chitin war axe with me just for woodcutting

[warm saddle]

Knowing ownlyme he’d probably decrease durability with each hit or something yeah

[rotund epoch]

good

fair cost

[warm saddle]

But just doing onHit with a tree is impressive haha

[rotund epoch]

for sth like this

[sour leaf]

Would the axe just need to be in your inventory or equipped?

Or will you have to physically chop them

[warm saddle]

Equipped because yeah you have to physically hit them

[sour leaf]

Oh hell yeah

[humble mica]

do you get axe skill xp for it? (i think you shouldn't)

[sour leaf]

It should level strength if anything

[humble mica]

oldschool runescape player detected

[sour leaf]

Literally never played it lmao

[humble mica]

oh. well it has Strength as a skill

you get strength xp for doing strengthy stuff (dealing combat damage, mostly)

[sour leaf]

Ah gotcha. I was making a joke but I wasn’t referencing anything specific haha. At least I don’t think

[sour leaf]

I have a very small nitpick…

The capitalization of the various prompts is kinda all over the place 😅

“Cook”
“refill water”
“Chop Wood”
“Add more Firewood”
“Light the fire”

[warm saddle]

Yeah you do since tree cutting scales with your axe skill

[humble mica]

oh, if it scales with skill then yeah i agree xp makes sense

[tepid sedge]

please report any issues

[rotund epoch]

is that a new version? Any changelog? What should be tested?

[tepid sedge]

mainly the woodcutting, maybe some locations are hotter than before besides the new effect of fire weakness

[sour leaf]

What changed with the woodcutting? And which locations are hotter

You guys are both sorcerers idk how you do this stuff so fast and so well lmao.

[rotund epoch]

Froze my Redguard ass off in Nivalis . It's good having to prepare for visits in some regions.

[warm saddle]

What was the temp

I just woke up to the thicc fix list, I’ll write up the changelog here shortly

[rotund epoch]

-14 when stabilised. Sometimes -6-7. Sometimes -22. Wetness contributed a lot.

[warm saddle]

Hmm

[rotund epoch]

Stew factor as well

[warm saddle]

Nivalis should be warmer than that since it’s a city

[rotund epoch]

Ah, it was next to it

[warm saddle]

Sigh

Ohhhh

Yeah

It gets warmer the second you hit the city gates

Outside of nivalis expect below freezing 😄

The Telvanni shroom towers are also magically enchanted with warmth

[rotund epoch]

About -8-9 there IIRC. That was final temp, though, so wetness/wet clothes and stew included. Wearing Colovian Fur Cap instead of Gondolier Helmet gave me +1.5

[warm saddle]

Hahaha that’s funny

I put gondolier as special for hot management but not sure if it should be better than the fur cap

[rotund epoch]

For cold? It should be worse and it was

I will probably wear more fur next time. I'm just a humble pilgrim. Don't have much. Faith keeps me warm.

[warm saddle]

Only wearing clothes will give you more of a bonus than the fur cap will

Although maybe I should exclude light armor helms since “cloth” helms can only be light armor

[rotund epoch]

Fur was better than Gondolier Helmet (it's Medium btw) by +1.5. I didn't wear any other armour. If wearing nothing on the head would have been better than wearing Fur Cap, then that needs to be changed, haha. It doesn't make sense to expose the head. Even more so as a Redguard. Maybe Nord would be fine.

[warm saddle]

It’s a “mage” kind of bonus until perks are added, that only wearing clothing gives you a kind of magic bonus although it also works for pilgrims, so armored helms shouldn’t be covered

But since there are no cloth helms in morrowind and any modder who wants to add a kind of cloth helm has to do it in light armor, it should be ok to wear light armor helms

[rotund epoch]

Note that every cap or hood will technically count as armour

[warm saddle]

Yeah because

[rotund epoch]

So head slot is def a special case

[warm saddle]

Yeah not difficult to add

Then your gondolier helm and fur helm should keep your magic bonus

[rotund epoch]

[warm saddle]

Almsivi give you strength

[rotund epoch]

Gondolier is Medium Armour btw. Don't know why. Seems light. However, it should def be exempt as well. It's hard to call it armour

[warm saddle]

How much armor does it give?

[rotund epoch]

For me? Almost nothing

[warm saddle]

I mean like what’s the armor stat on it

[rotund epoch]

Need to check

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Base_Armor#Gondolier.27s_Helm in Vanilla it's 1 AR

Yeah, it's shit. It's pure drip.

[warm saddle]

Medium armor, 1 rating

Makes sense

But yeah I’ll just do if you’re wearing an armor piece or 2 that that’s <2 then you still get the bonus, although like I said with perks this won’t be a problem

Since some “cloth” pieces replace shoulders as well, and some backpack mods do too I think

[rotund epoch]

Sounds ok

[rotund epoch]

I think it may be the worst helmet in the game stat-wise . Looks great, though.

[warm saddle]

Aura farming

[rotund epoch]

btw for the helmet slot that doesn't seem enough if base AR is the only factor. I mean, Nordic Fur and Colovian Fur Helmets have better AR than the shitty Gondolier Hat, but they are definitely more suited for cold weather.

[warm saddle]

I’m not talking about that, this is a completely different mechanic

[rotund epoch]

hmm

[warm saddle]

There’s a frostfall spell + perk for mages and unarmored that I liked but don’t have the means to completely implement yet, so this is the next closest thing

But circlets/cloth helms don’t exist in vanilla morrowind which I didn’t account for

[rotund epoch]

yeah

as for that "mage bonus"

frankly, it only makes sense if you use Unarmored

so if anything, it could be based on skill

[warm saddle]

Although I realized that it’s possible to do those spells now

Nah I’m not basing armor effectiveness for weather based on skill

[rotund epoch]

not armor effectiveness

a naked Nord berserker with 100 Unarmored would survive the cold. Some random ass Dunmer wouldn't handle it with some clothes or a naked chest

[warm saddle]

Well yeah that’s how racials are accounted for haha

[rotund epoch]

Just checked. ATM wearing nothing on the head in Nivalis is better than wearing Colovian Fur Helmet or Gondolier's Hat. This isn't logical.

Not sure whether this was reported

[sour leaf]

Well well well…

My favorite example of this is still the inkwell I found lol

I just like the image of a Nerevarine that’s so thirsty that he downs an entire inkwell in front of Almalexia’s royal guards

[warm saddle]

That’s correct and intended behaviour like I just wrote haha

[warm saddle]

Yeah that was fixed with 1.3 haha, kinda wanted to leave the Daedric helm in though

[sour leaf]

The Daedric Helm?

[warm saddle]

The Daedric face of inspiration helm has an ID of daedric_fountain_helm so I just imagine asking the Daedra whose soul it belonged to for a sip

[sour leaf]

I love that lol

[warm saddle]

Yeah I kinda wanted to keep it in but it was easier not to

[sour leaf]

Fair enough

[rotund epoch]

[rotund epoch]

[rough salmon]

The have a fire atronach there, it's balanced

[rotund epoch]

Finally. A truly god-like character.

[half summit]

I was thinking the same thing 😂

[rotund epoch]

Wha.... what is this?

IT'S WATER IN A BEER MUG

That does it. I'm tolerant but this crap is unforgivable.

I'm quitting the game right now.

1/10, will never play again

||🤡 ||

[charred tide]

Swindling outlanders is good practice

[rotund epoch]

It was a damn Redguard!

[sudden wedge]

I'm refilling my bottles from the lava pool

[sour leaf]

It would be kinda cool if tankards/mugs only spawn sujamma when they do spawn with liquid in them

[tepid sedge]

this is even beyond my levels of perfectionism sry

[sour leaf]

All good lol

[tepid sedge]

now the swing strength should work pretty okay

[sour leaf]

Hyacinth said you wanted to add calories lmao

[tepid sedge]

also atronachs do shit now, enemy atronachs ignore your feel-good temperature

[tepid sedge]

i wanted to add keto diet and weight

[sour leaf]

That’s insane but I love that

[tepid sedge]

i wanted to add the properties carb ratio (% of calories that are carbs) and calories to the food items

there's more interesting features to work on though

would you guys like the new woodcutting mechanic in simplymining too? or too tedious?

[warm saddle]

Cups and mugs have the highest chance of spawning sujamma

[rotund epoch]

I think that food/hunger values are good enough. The important thing is that food items are not the same. Dynamic needs are more exciting

[half summit]

Yeah that would be cool. I love any way of using tools ingame

[sour leaf]

As it should be

[slow snow]

sparkling water

[winter bay]

Hello! I noticed a strange thing, after I lit the fire, and it went out, the sound of a burning fire is still heard.
Waiting and moving to another location and back does not help.
There also a error report:
[22:11:52.728 E] Global[scripts/sunsdusk/sd_g.lua] onUpdate failed. Lua error: Can't remove 0 of 0 items [22:11:52.728 E] stack traceback: [22:11:52.728 E] [C]: in function 'remove' [22:11:52.728 E] [string "scripts/sunsdusk/sd_g.lua"]:169: in function <[string "scripts/sunsdusk/sd_g.lua"]:37>

[sour leaf]

Can I make a suggestion regarding Sujamma? 😅

[warm saddle]

Ok great, thanks for letting me know :) I’ll look into it

[warm saddle]

Sure, what’s up?

[sour leaf]

Idk how complicated this would be to set up but I feel like, from a lore perspective, the large kegs in the basements of some taverns (and maybe even the small ones behind the counters but I like those being water), should be filled with Sujamma.

However, obviously this needs some limitations. A fee would make sense. I think it would also make sense if you could only refill open containers like mugs and tankards from kegs, which makes sense since that's usually how kegs are used. This would also prevent you from bottling a ton of sujamma

There could also be a limit on how many times you could use them with a cool down. Maybe the publican "cuts you off" after a certain point.

[warm saddle]

Hmmm

I’d say yes I’d consider doing something like that but imo anything could be in those kegs and I’ll also be spawning more kinds of alcohol like flin

[sour leaf]

I just realized that going into a tavern basement and they have several large kegs of water doesn’t make sense

[sour leaf]

True! They could be water

But i also feel like they wouldn’t have 4 full kegs of water lol

[warm saddle]

But I also think that’s a BCOM thing because there aren’t that many kegs around in vanilla

[sour leaf]

It would be cool if they have a random chance of being Flin, Sujamma, Water, or shein

[sour leaf]

Ah yeah it could be

Would still be a cool and lore friendly feature 🤷‍♂️

[warm saddle]

Yeah maybe, this would certainly be easier to do

[sour leaf]

Up to you obviously. Don do it if it’s a pain in the ass

[warm saddle]

Not for this update but I’ll consider it in the future

[sour leaf]

I was just thinking there should be some sort of limitation if they end up having alcohol

And only being able to fill open containers made sense to me but like I said, idk how hard that would be to set up

[warm saddle]

But also anything related to alcohol could even be its own module

But yeah I’ll think on it, definitely not a bad idea

[sour leaf]

I can’t wait to see what you two do regardless lol

[half summit]

I think mazte or flin are more like a beer type drink where sujamma is closer to vodka maybe jaegermeister 🤔 so it wouldnt make as much sense ti have barrels of it

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/power-hayden-christensen-star-wars-revenge-of-the-sith-annakin-skywalker-gif-5266504

[rough salmon]

and telvanni bug musk is just fermented bug juice

because eat bug drink bug

[rotund epoch]

I will note that sujamma is the most expensive common drink

Other shit is cheaper

[rough salmon]

if it was vodka, it would inflict blindness too

[rough salmon]

does flinn count as common drink?

[rotund epoch]

Flin is foreign

[rough salmon]

oh

[rotund epoch]

Imperial

Mongrel dogs of the Empire

[half summit]

it contains more water than the blood of men

[half summit]

definitely more of a jaegermeister then 🧐

[warm saddle]

Yes but good for mages

[half summit]

flin is budweiser

[rotund epoch]

without the DD's alcohol mod, there is literally no penalty for drinking Flin. It's just good.

[rotund epoch]

it's whisky

[half summit]

pah!

[rotund epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-toast-salute-here's-to-you-heres-to-you-gif-3182433711752800466

https://tenor.com/view/whiskey-rocks-glass-slide-ice-gif-18834892

[warm saddle]

But yeah I’d dive into the kinds of alcohol and stuff because some of it is local fermented stuff so it would be like beer or wine, anything from comberry gives me wine vibes

[rotund epoch]

because there is wine

it's called

[warm saddle]

But there are whole Reddit posts dedicated to such things

[rotund epoch]

shein

IIRC

it's cheap

[half summit]

yeah i think shein is their version of white lightning

[warm saddle]

I think people say sujamma will knock you out so I’d say it’s like tequila, vodka or rum

What makes you strong but stupid 🧐

[rotund epoch]

"The local Dunmer liquor, sujamma, is extremely potent, and indulgence results in elevated spirits and diminished mental faculties. Has a kick like a guar -- very strong, and just as stupid."

[rough salmon]

greef is bud

because no one having self-respect drinks it

[warm saddle]

True

[rotund epoch]

you are all probably thinking about that shit the Americans make

because Czech version is good

[warm saddle]

Hahaha nah I got it

[rough salmon]

we don't have it in Ukraine

[warm saddle]

Sujamma is rakija

I think that’s fitting

[rough salmon]

we have a lot of our own brands though

[rotund epoch]

I don't think so. Seems too strong. I think that Nords would handle sujamma.

[warm saddle]

Nords need to water it down

[rotund epoch]

it's probably 30-40%

[rough salmon]

fireball?

[warm saddle]

Whiskey maybe I guess

[rough salmon]

(I don't know alcohol at all, guys)

[warm saddle]

Local whisky or moonshine is easy enough to make

But rakija is funnier

[rotund epoch]

anyway, we don't need to come up with this

we have MW versions

they don't have Scotch

they don't have the "bud"

but who the fuck would drink Mazte?

[warm saddle]

Simperials who can’t afford flin

[rough salmon]

they have Cyrodiilic instead

[rotund epoch]

yeah

it's brandy

[warm saddle]

That good shit

[rotund epoch]

"Mazte is a local beer brewed from fermented saltrice. Cheap, plentiful, and invigorating, this beverage is very popular, despite its dulling effect of wit and judgement. For the price, folks are willing to feel dumb and weak-willed, so long as they feel really strong."

shit stuff

[warm saddle]

There’s your bud haha

[half summit]

rice beer, sounds pretty rough. iv had something like that, its heartburn city

[rotund epoch]

"The native comberry brandy is locally called greef. Greef is a strong stimulant, but like all intoxicants, it tends to impair physical coordination. That is, it makes you feel real strong, but makes you clumsy."

it causes a lot of grief

I guess

[warm saddle]

Would be similar to sake I guess but much worse haha

[rotund epoch]

"The native comberry wine is locally called shein. Shein is a strong stimulant, but using it results in impaired judgement. You may gain a lot of endurance, but you won't be very smart."

so we have brandy, whine, beer

and sujamma is the strongest

so vodka-like

[warm saddle]

Rakija

I feel like the dunmer are crazy enough to drink that stuff by the barrel

[rotund epoch]

nah, Dunmer don't really seem all that rowdy

they are rather serious

most of them, at least

[warm saddle]

Could probably make a comparison between the great house politics and the Balkans 🧐

What did Todd mean by this

[rotund epoch]

I bet that Redguards and Nords are usually a lot more fun in the taverns than the Dunmer

[half summit]

there is such a thing as a dour drunk

[warm saddle]

I mean BCOM adds skooma lounges, idk if they’re in vanilla haha

[rotund epoch]

oh, yeah, it sounds like a thing that Dunmer would do

[warm saddle]

Certainly don’t see that in Skyrim

[half summit]

i can see them all sitting around angrily drinking vodka and complaining about ashstorms

[rotund epoch]

obv skooma is being used as smuggling is the most lucrative activity on Vvardenfell

[rotund epoch]

"Ashstorms are a nuisance"

[half summit]

shes not hard to look at

[rotund epoch]

but yeah, Dunmer probably tend to be the boring, grumpy kind of drinkers

[half summit]

no fun at all

[warm saddle]

Even have the thieves guild quest for Balmora Blue in Skyrim, so dunmer are good at doing that shit

[rotund epoch]

ashtorms, blightstorms, curses, all the Temple-based piety

while Nords and Redguards are the kind of people you would have fun with

(although it could end in a fight)

[warm saddle]

Yeah but seeing that there are a ton of different kinds of alcohol there has to be a strong brewing culture

[rotund epoch]

that's because every nation on the planet drinks

as it's the same in Tamriel

I bet that even the Akaviri drink some shit

[half summit]

i bet bretons get all maudlin and weepy

[rough salmon]

Yeah but seeing that there are a ton of different kinds of alcohol there has to be a ||strong brewing|| culture

☝️

[warm saddle]

Yeah and Skyrim has like … a few kinds of mead ? I forget

[rotund epoch]

Mead ofc

[rough salmon]

mind-altering substances 100%

[rotund epoch]

fermented monkey brains

[warm saddle]

But yeah if someone wanted to do an alcohol module I think all the API is there for it but it probably wouldn’t be difficult to add stuff to it from our end

Need to write up instructions on how to make modules sometime

[rotund epoch]

you know what

brewing industry

invest in your own tavern

hire people

secure supplies

[warm saddle]

Haha I’ve thought of mods like that and tbh I’d love it

[rotund epoch]

could be fun

yeah!

[half summit]

ikr

[rotund epoch]

so much quest potential

[warm saddle]

Could find one of the inns that has no publican and replace them

[rotund epoch]

hell, other publicians could start treating you differently

[warm saddle]

Competition

[rotund epoch]

some would refuse service if you were doing too well, lol

[warm saddle]

I’m sure there might be a mod for it

There is a writer / author mod after all haha

[half summit]

i think i saw one but we need more open ended career choices in the game, as the world keeps expanding theres more opportunity for that kind of lifestyle rpg gameplay

[warm saddle]

Yeah and there’s also farming and goatherding now so why not

[rotund epoch]

Altmer are probably arrogant and annoying... oh, wait... it's just their base form

they don't even need to transform

[warm saddle]

I nerf them a bit in the racials haha

[rotund epoch]

people probably hate the Altmer because of Skyrim, lol

I've just remember that Oblivion had Mannimarco

and he was some sissy Altmer

like wtf

[half summit]

they've always been elitist and pompous though. the voice actors defintiely play them like that anyway haha

[rotund epoch]

yeah, that's the Altmer vibe

but I doubt you hate them in Morrowind

[half summit]

he was like some kind of wierd half altmer though wasnt he? that voice though

HE IS DAEDROTH

[half summit]

yeah morrowind does give them a different spin, i found myself digging a few

[rotund epoch]

truth behind Mannimarco in Oblivion

🤡

[rotund epoch]

Arrille is probably an NPC that most players like

[half summit]

he's the second person who doesn't spit in your face after leaving the census office so that helps

depending on your choices

[warm saddle]

Oh I do

Strongly

Bad memories of Qorwynn

[rotund epoch]

You are a Dunmer nationalist. I wouldn't expect anything different

Dunmer don't like anyone. Even other Dunmer.

[warm saddle]

Blessed and almsivipilled

[sour leaf]

I genuinely have no clue what the different alcohols are

[warm saddle]

There’s even a nationalist nerevarine mod btw

[rotund epoch]

Haha

[warm saddle]

Because why do I have to work for a simperial spy

[half summit]

yeah that looks cool, i want to do that next playthrough

[warm saddle]

Yeah I’ll be doing it my next playthrough too

[half summit]

nice. alice makes some dope stuff

[warm saddle]

Although I just realized it might cause a problem with lucid dreaming 🧐 might have to patch that

[rotund epoch]

I thibk that out of all the races, Redguards and Bretons are the ones that Dunmer have the least problems with.

[sour leaf]

I have a mod that makes it sound like an atomizer which I then modified to make it make a dripping sound since it’s described as more of a thick pa st e

[half summit]

redguard HATE undead though so i dont think its mutual

[sour leaf]

My friend bought this rice based liquor once and it was so nasty. He kept drinking it and said “it’s not that bad”.

The rest of us only did like half a shot to try it and it tasted disgusting and burned

[rotund epoch]

Dunmer hate the undead as well. Hate necromancy. ||Just not when they do it.||

[sour leaf]

What might?

[sour leaf]

That describes a lot of Morrowind

Lot of unspoken hypocrisy

[rotund epoch]

Haha

True

[sour leaf]

The Morag Tong is bad but like… 🤷‍♂️

[warm saddle]

The nationalist nerevarine mod, it gives you an alternate questline but doesn’t change the quest IDs so that it doesn’t break your game

[sour leaf]

I didn’t see anything

[sour leaf]

That wouldn’t play nice with lucid disturbing dreams?

[warm saddle]

But that means that any mod that reads main quest journal ID statuses/completion also wouldn’t work since those quest IDs aren’t being completed

[sour leaf]

Ohhh

[rotund epoch]

Gov approved assassins so we treat them as good and honorable

[sour leaf]

I also recently remembered that the Thieves Guild is an Imperial guild lmao

[warm saddle]

I mean it’s not an incompatibility and wouldn’t break your game or anything, just that lucid dreaming wouldn’t be activated

[sour leaf]

I thought I was crazy until I googled it lol

[rotund epoch]

Look at the Cammona Tong

Way worse

[sour leaf]

True

Hyacinth did you say you have plans to implement your own version of drunkenness/alcoholism?

or is it something you were just kind of considering

[warm saddle]

Yeah eventually, it’s kinda low on the list but it would probably be better than immersive/devilish alcohol since I have a database for all the alcohol in all the mods

[rotund epoch]

Just doesn't seem that important considering other things on to do list

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure haha

[sour leaf]

What's up next if I can ask

[warm saddle]

Weather, cooking overhaul and dynamic needs

[sour leaf]

What will the cooking overhaul entail? 👀

[warm saddle]

Hardcoded recipes, more fire/frost shields and resistance, a few other things

[sour leaf]

Hell yeah

[half summit]

its so good exploring dwemer ruins with SD, i burned to death trying to unlock a chest. really feels like a properly wierd dangerous place

found two full goblets of sujamma just next to some ghosts in the deep levels

[warm saddle]

Suspicious sujamma haha

[half summit]

i dont know how long its been there but seems good 👍

[serene oasis]

I'm reminded of that scene from Down Periscope where Buckman is getting yelled at by Pascal over expired food.

Buckman: "Whats the matter sir? 'still tastes like cream corn"
Pascal: "Except, ITS DEVILED HAM!"
Buckman: "...that could be a problem"

[warm saddle]

I put these in other channels but here's a flame atronach warming you up and also taking damage on red mountain until equipping heat-proof armor

[rotund epoch]

Do you always play in TPP?

[warm saddle]

Not always but I like to for showcases

[half summit]

im getting this error in the Balmora FG

"scripts/sunsdusk/sd_p.lua"]:396: attempt to index local 'stormDir' (a nil value)
[23:38:52.576 E] stack traceback:
[23:38:52.576 E] [string "scripts/sunsdusk/sd_p.lua"]:396: in function 'job'
[23:38:52.576 E] [string "scripts/sunsdusk/sd_p.lua"]:848: in function <[string "scripts/sunsdusk/sd_p.lua"]:786>
[23:38:52.576 E] [C]: in ?

[warm saddle]

Yeah that’ll be fixed in this update although that’s not a problem with Sun’s Dusk

There’s something buggy about interior weather, like sometimes when you go from an exterior cell with a storm to an interior cell, you’ll still have that weather, you see it with other mods that add debuffs to weather and such as well

[rotund epoch]

Since there is no real interior weather, why not just turn off the effects in interiors (not Mournhold fake exteriors but standard interiors)?

[warm saddle]

What do you mean, like remove interior temperatures ?

Or just weather effects in interiors

[rotund epoch]

This. I mean, there are no blizzards or ashstorms in caves, homes etc.

Not really

Temperature is ok. It works except for some strange ice caves which I reported

[warm saddle]

That’s a question for Todd, not us haha all we do is detect the weather

[rotund epoch]

You can make an interior check, I guess .

[rough salmon]

You can even quaziinterior check to cover Mournhold too

[rotund epoch]

The reason why somebody goes indoors during a blight storm is that their wants to protect themselves from it

So getting weather effects in a house because of some Toddism is not good

[sour leaf]

Will this mess with Dynamic Sounds?

[warm saddle]

The interior weather ? I'm not sure since I don't have that mod installed, but all Sun's Dusk does is read the current weather not change it or anything

[lament cobalt]

@warm saddle Hey, I had some time to work on Light Hotkey today and added the player event on light equip (that doesn't do anything in my mod, but I assume you want to intercept it). Can you please tell me if this is what you had in mind? https://gitlab.com/modding-openmw/light-hotkey/-/commit/605fed48bacbd5556e6afaba54a7630cafd56a35

[warm saddle]

Yup! Also I think I found a way to check if it's equipped from the keybind or not even without the update, I ended up taking a different approach and checking for the keybind being active instead 😅 but this also helps so thank you bunches!!

[lament cobalt]

I see. I'm actually switching to the inputBinding renderer to support gamepads in the next version so maybe I broke your solution 😄

[warm saddle]

Sure np! I'll keep an eye out for updates since I use that mod as well and recommend it haha

It works with the current version of Sun's Dusk but that's because there's a check every update for equipped items which is a hit for performance but doing this for torches wouldn't be too much of a problem at least, worst case scenario

[rough salmon]

Do you plan on making certain food additionally decrease or increase thirst? Just a subtle thing for immersion, rather than real utility. For example:

• Ash salts -> +thirst
• Saltrice -> +thirst
• Void/fire/frost salts -> +thirst
• Scrib jerky -> +thirst
• Small/large kwama egg -> -thirst
• Coda flower -> -thirst (it's a fruit)
• Ampoule pod -> -thirst (it's a fruit)

[warm saddle]

Hmm that's possible, I have ash salts and other salts increase thirst when cooking but not when consuming normally 🧐

Although if you really wanted you could do it in the .txt, though I'd recommend waiting on that since the txt is getting a little update

[rotund epoch]

Nice idea.

[sour leaf]

oooh

[rough salmon]

tea is canon in morrowind :0000

[warm saddle]

Skyrim says canis root tea as well haha

[sour leaf]

Tea Mod vindicated

[rotund epoch]

there are even teapots. Might be OAAB, might be TD. Don't remember. Frankly, at this point OAAB/TD stuff feels like canon

Current canon status: TES 3 - core. Tamriel Rebuilt and Project Tamriel - extended universe. TES 4 and TES 5 - apocrypha.

[sour leaf]

Imagine creating a project so well developed and beloved that everyone just kinda considers it canon

[rough salmon]

Openmw is canon

[sour leaf]

Another example

I’ve been seeing more and more people recommend OpenMw lately

I know MickyD uses it exclusively

It used to be “if you don’t care about mods, use OpenMW”

[rough salmon]

Because the main thing MWSE excels at is their mod catalogue

[sour leaf]

Idk if that’s the case anymore. There’s a few things but OpenMW is catching up fast

[rough salmon]

But now with lua improvements, ho ho, it's not a monopoly anymore

[sour leaf]

Joy of Painting is a big one

[rotund epoch]

Ultimate Fishing

[sour leaf]

That one would be cool

Is that not possible in current OpenMW Lua?

[rough salmon]

Today I learned mgexe doesn't support parallax maps, which is a bummer

[sour leaf]

Or has no one tried to tackle that yet

Pun not intended

[rough salmon]

Most likely this

[sour leaf]

What are those 😅

[rough salmon]

Things SaintJ does

And recent hyperdetailed creature replacers too, iirc

[sour leaf]

Oh gotcha

[rough salmon]

Tbh I really really want to see character backgrounds and chargen scenarios 🤤

[sour leaf]

That would be cool

I’d love to see more of the MM mod series adapted to OpenMW

[rough salmon]

Whazzat

[sour leaf]

Magic Mechanics

https://next.nexusmods.com/profile/OperatorJack/mods

We kinda already have enhanced detection via HUD Markers

Enhanced Invisibility was also ported

[rough salmon]

I think most magic improving mods should be somewhere on the horizon too

[sour leaf]

I think a lot of these are possible. I know the Telekinesis one is since it’s basically just Shop Around with a visual effect

[rough salmon]

No, not improving
Expanding

[rough salmon]

You already have Lua Physics :)

[sour leaf]

That’s not what that mod does but true lol

It just adds a visual effect to Telekinesis spells

[sour leaf]

I’d like to see MGEXE do that

[warm saddle]

It def is haha

Especially with my vectors

[sour leaf]

sun's dusk fishing module when?

[warm saddle]

Someone could even do a fishing module for Sun’s dusk

[sour leaf]

you owe me a mazte

[warm saddle]

With the new woodcutting using the animation API 🧐

And my vectors 🧐

[sour leaf]

Hmmmmmmm

[sour leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-vector-minion-ooh-yeah-gif-5629902

[sour leaf]

You say this like it's something you've already thought about...

[warm saddle]

No but the fishing pools wouldn’t be different from the temperate spots

[rough salmon]

Do you imagine it spot-dependent and not "any water body"?

Ah, it would be useful either way. For different fish distribution, for example

[sour leaf]

That would be pretty cool. That feels like a separate mod though

I wouldn’t be mad if that got added to Sun’s Dusk though lol

[warm saddle]

I mean it would probably be any body of water, just different kinds of fish in each one

Could probably do things with the aquatic water life mods too, I forget what they’re called but I have a few of them spawn

The same system will be used for salt vs freshwater btw

[rough salmon]

@warm saddle remind me, what's on your (and ownlyme's) current roadmap?

[warm saddle]

Yeah it would be a separate module although anyone could make it

[warm saddle]

1. Weather, cooking overhaul/improvements, dynamic needs
2. Skills + perks and reworks for some of the mechanics that’ll become perks
3. Alcohol, disease, bathing, tea

The things in each number would come out at the same time or around the same order, just not sure which I’d be in the mood for first

[sour leaf]

Idea for the disease module: being in underworks/sewers increases chance of catching a disease

[warm saddle]

Although I’ll write up instructions on how to use the API if anyone wants to create anything more like camping, fishing, etc

[sour leaf]

Maybe I’d look into it. I do wanna work on RENT eventually tho lmao

Gotta get on that

[rough salmon]

RENT?

like, rent rent?

[sour leaf]

Rentable Estates for NWah Tenants

[rough salmon]

:0

Sounds neat

[sour leaf]

It would basically be apartments of Morrowind but the houses are rentable so it’s a gold sink

I’d also wanna incorporate some fun eviction mechanics

S3ctor had some cool ideas for that

[rough salmon]

Would it be something dynamic or it's own .esp plugin?

[sour leaf]

I’d wanna do as much of it with Lua as possible

Might need an esp for some things but idk yet. Still kinda getting a grasp on lua in general and openMW lua

[rough salmon]

I'm just curious if the mod would add the houses themselves? For campatibility and preference reasons

[warm saddle]

You could do that with the Sun’s Dusk API but probably don’t have to xD

[sour leaf]

Oh gotcha no

[rough salmon]

(Apartments of Morrowind goes a little overboard with amount of houses)

[sour leaf]

It would be like apartments of morrowind where it only uses houses that are vacated during quests

[warm saddle]

Yeah could probably just use apartments of Morrowind or the new one for that

[rough salmon]

the new one sounds interesting
definitely will use it on my new playthrough (once it receives a BCOM patch)

[sour leaf]

What’s the new one?

[rough salmon]

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/57159

[sour leaf]

But yeah the idea is I wouldn’t add any new structures or NPCs for compatibility.

It would use houses that are vacated as part of quests and then let you rent them from another existing NPC. Whoever would logically end up in possession of the house ig

[rough salmon]

Cool!

[sour leaf]

And then if you don’t pay rent on time you get evicted

[rough salmon]

I wonder if you would think of some dynamic gold sinks for strongholds

Making certain services rentable insted of the building being rented

[sour leaf]

S3ctor had an idea where some of your high value items get auctioned off to people in town and then you have to go out and try to get them back lmao

[sour leaf]

Or maybe you have to pay the guards and workers there

[rough salmon]

But what will they do there aside from just roaming around

[sour leaf]

Yeah exactly

This idea mostly came from a desire for:

1. Simple house mods that don’t add anything OP
2. A money sink
3. A house mod that doesn’t add new buildings to ensure compatibility.

It feels like a lot of house mods add weirdly overpowered stuff. Like a teleport amulet or a full sorting system. Or it’s a huge mansion with every room you can imagine

[rough salmon]

Maybe

• enchanter
• guild guide (since each stronghold is located way too far from any civilization)
• smith (for repairs)
• alchemic (he would bring you ingredients each X days)

[sour leaf]

I also like the idea of the house being empty of clutter items like candles, cups, etc so it would force you to decorate it yourself

[sour leaf]

That’s a good idea

[rough salmon]

Maybe guards for a symbolic price, so nothing from your stronghold wouldn't be stolen

[sour leaf]

A dynamic theft mechanic where high value items randomly go missing

Ends up in a nearby bandit cave

[warm saddle]

Uvirith’s Legacy has some which are cool but that mod has a lot of edits

[rough salmon]

UL is basically my favorite MW mod :p

[sour leaf]

I haven’t gotten a chance to play it properly yet

It’s been on my modlist for years

[warm saddle]

Yeah Building Up Uvirith’s Grave has all of these haha, BUUL for both

[sour leaf]

I just usually never get to that point lol. End up screwing around with other stuff

[rough salmon]

Ah, that's normal

[sour leaf]

Yeah especially with TR updates lol. I wanna check out the new stuff!

I’m so happy we have some proper needs mods for OpenMW with this and DN.

I tried a playthrough with some of the older OpenMW compatible needs mods and it ended up feeling more annoying than immersive

[rough salmon]

I just abandoned my current 43hr character simply because I got tired of how wide my orc character looks. And also I've updated way too many mods and got lost in them. And also blunt weapons are ass

[sour leaf]

Valid lmao

[rough salmon]

Right before I looted Keening

[warm saddle]

Btw the Sun’s Dusk update is done, it just needs to be properly stress tested but should be good to upload tonight or tomorrow

[rough salmon]

awesome!

[sour leaf]

What’s in this update? 👀

[warm saddle]

I keep saying that but that’s bc I kept finding more bugs x.x but I think it’s the largest update yet

Thicc ass changelog

[sour leaf]

Bigger than temperature?!

[warm saddle]

Wetness and woodcutting overhaul and a big performance overhaul to make it more lightweight

[rough salmon]

Is new woodcutting mechanic coming to the Simply Mining too sometime in the near future?

[sour leaf]

Did you add climate change?

[warm saddle]

I think he wants to but not sure if he’ll get to it haha

[warm saddle]

Nah haha

[sour leaf]

Smh my head

[sour leaf]

What changed about woodcutting if I can ask?

[warm saddle]

You can only cut wood by hitting it

[sour leaf]

Aw hell yeah

[rough salmon]

It's a revolution, Johnny!

[sour leaf]

Do trees grow back or has that not been added yet? 😬

[warm saddle]

Yeah that’s added as a setting

[sour leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/crushed-it-gif-18087987023179949748

Hell yeah

[warm saddle]

If anyone wants to help me test it’ll go by faster, I have a checklist

[sour leaf]

I’m working but otherwise I would

[warm saddle]

All good haha

[wary imp]

On the 'refill activator' mechanic, I am noticing that TR has things called aquaducts and they are used in areas/ways they have no water—like structurally

Raathim Ancestral Tomb, Hall of Kings Past for example

fuller spatial context

[warm saddle]

Hmm I don't remember adding aquaduct to the tags but I'll take a look

[rotund epoch]

People talk about magic dehardcoding all the time but I haven't heard anything about progress being made here

[rough salmon]

[rotund epoch]

I don't even know whether it's actively being worked on or whether it's sth on a long to do list reserved for distant future

[rough salmon]

Noted

[warm saddle]

It’s a bit more complicated than people expect but also even when it’s dehardcoded there will be a lot of glitches to work out, so people probably won’t be making mods for it for a minute

[rotund epoch]

I can wait a minute

done

[indigo anchor]

It's been there since a long time, but more or less active. Check the comment dates here:
https://gitlab.com/OpenMW/openmw/-/merge_requests/4533

[warm saddle]

Looks like there aren't any bugs so the update will go live soon 😎

[sour leaf]

Hell yeah

[warm saddle]

Huge changelog :') gonna take me a bit to write

[rotund epoch]

[warm saddle]

Changelog v1.4

Features and Changes

Wetness

• Torches now gradually dry you off over time.
• Fire damage dries you off: 0.5% per damage
• Humidity is now approximated based on climate and time of day, effects drying time
• Light armor is generally very waterproof (except fur), medium armor is decent, and heavy armor is poor at keeping water out
• Spilling water while jumping now cools you less if you’re already wet, instead of stacking free cooling
• When near lava and protected by wetness, there is now a 30% chance per second to flash the vignette and lose 0.5 Health,
  so the protection into a risky tradeoff rather than a free shield.
• Added umbrella support-every equipment piece has slight water resistance
• Fire Shield dries you at 1% wetness per second instead of instantly setting wetness to 0
• Fire damage also dries you at 0.5% wetness per point of damage.
• Improved rain cooling formula makes being out in a downpour feel more distinct from light rain

Woodcutting

• Woodcutting now uses attacks instead of activation
• Axes are the best for cutting wood, strength and axe skills reduce cutting time
• Trees in Raven Rock are now choppable and have a chance to spawn Spriggans
• Woodcutting now grants appropriate skill experience
• Chopping trees indoors will now aggro NPCs within a radius of 50 because people don’t like surprise lumberjacks in their houses or the Balmora Mages Guild

Temperature

• HUGE improvement to Vvardenfell, Cyrodiil and Skyrim exterior temperatures so that they are actually sensible
• Mournhold is now an exterior
• Storms affect temperatures
• Rain cooling has been improved to feel more natural and consistent
• When the weather transition value is below 0.5, the "next weather" is treated as the current one for temperature calculations, reducing weird mid-transition behavior
• Being in the shadow or using an umbrella cools up to 2°
• items can have a warmth rating now
• statics with justice, office and practice don't turn the cell into an ice cave anymore
• Standing in a shadow or under an umbrella can provide up to 2° of cooling
• Temperature sources now use exponential distance falloff, nearby fires are stronger and distant ones fade more realistically

Magic, Elemental damage & Temperature

• Friendly flame and frost atronachs are now supported to modify temperatures
• Fire/frost damage uses the average magnitude to smoothen the temperature
• Fire/Frost damage applied at temperature extremes depends more on max health
• Red Mountain and lava damage now ramp up more gradually
• Fire weakness effects that interact with temperature are now capped at 50% to prevent extreme swings

Magic, Elemental damage & Temperature

• Friendly flame and frost atronachs are now supported to modify temperatures
• Fire/frost damage uses the average magnitude to smoothen the temperature
• Fire/Frost damage applied at temperature extremes depends more on max health
• Red Mountain and lava damage now ramp up more gradually
• Fire weakness effects that interact with temperature are now capped at 50% to prevent extreme swings
• resistances and weaknesses give a small modifier to temperature

UI

• MAJOR HUD/UI refactor to improve responsiveness and smoothness.
• Added an optional wetness bar that pulses in the rain for extra feedback
• Added optional bar segments for temperature at thresholds
• Woodcutting UI has been updated and now uses a castbar instead of separate tooltips
• The temperature widget’s arrow now scales with the rate of temperature change, giving clearer feedback when you’re heating up or cooling down quickly

New Settings

• Added a °C / °F toggle for extended temperature bar with text temperature
• Color setting for temperature text
• Buff settings have been expanded to: "Buffs and debuffs", "Only buffs", "Only debuffs"
• New environmental settings : only buffs, buffs and debuffs, and only debuffs ; and trees not despawning

Cooking

• Intelligence, Short Blade, and Luck now all influence the Cooking skill
• Stews are only worth as much as the ingredients

Fixes

Temperature

• Fixed Dunmer racial bonuses so they are now correctly applied.
• Argonian racial ability in water is now correctly applied
• Fixed an issue where resistances and weaknesses could end up boosting their opposite element in some situations
• Equiping armor with cold resistance no longer produces an error
  Other
• Fixed a cooking raycast bug that could cause the cooking UI or targeting to behave incorrectly ; improved fire detection
• Improved refilling wells / kegs detection
• Companion buffs are now disabled correctly
• Log textures have been cleaned up and are now display correctly

[rough salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-to-do-list-long-list-gif-5580267

[rotund epoch]

What the heck is an umbrella in MW?

[rough salmon]

Found out about the Complete Morrowind. Might be of an inspiration to some
https://max99x.com/morrowind/complete-morrowind

Though I guess it would be more relevant to crafting ideas than anything

[warm saddle]

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/57496

[rotund epoch]

😂

Thought that I missed sth

Anyway, update looks great 👍🏻

I don't see the updated mod on Nexus, though

[warm saddle]

Yeah it takes a few minutes to post

Well to actually show up

God I'm so glad I fixed those temps, it was driving me crazy

Let's just say that I had a very specific formula for falloff for all the Vvardenfell, skyrim and cyrodiil temperatures and when I did the TR temps, a certain someone didn't include an exponent that I used for all the other temperatures ... makes a HUGE difference and temperatures will feel much better and work as intended 🫶

Also, there was an update to the .txt documents so if anyone made any changes be sure to make a note of them, I can help compare if anyone needs help

[compact vine]

New environmental settings : only buffs, buffs and debuffs, and only debuffs ; *and trees not despawning*

If I'm reading this correctly, does this mean you can choose to have it so statics aren't removed if you harvest a tree?

[warm saddle]

Correct

[compact vine]

https://tenor.com/view/peak-it's-peak-mid-it's-mid-shaking-head-gif-14930609437819582275

[warm saddle]

Disabled by default to appease ownlyme 🤣 but added by popular request

[compact vine]

Thank you so much.

[warm saddle]

Yeah he added it before I did testing ofc but on my empty cfg I saw what woodcutting before looked like without graphic herbalism … big yikes

Also @rotund epoch I didn’t include this in the changelog since people will notice it anyway but cutting trees reduces item durability

Also @rough salmon I decided to make all the weather debuff mods obsolete bc our weather detection is better and we account for shelter

[dense atlas]

Great work, truly impressive how detailed it all is

i am frustrated how slowly you dry off, but i suppose thats realistic

[warm saddle]

Hmm I can maybe tweak some formulas, unfortunately I haven’t had time to really play it to see how it feels, only testing to make sure everything works haha
But now that everything is stable I’ll be actually playing the mod gasp and can improve on stuff :) wearing light armor and some of the special armor gives you wet resistance and you can dry off faster by getting near a heat source and/or using a torch, alternatively you can use a fire shield spell haha

[dense atlas]

great idea about fire shield, also is bonemold supposed to be that hot? its like 20F hotter!

[warm saddle]

If you’re in a cold environment, a full set of Bonemold should increase your temperature by around … 15-20 if you have a full set ? Also depends on your clothes and racials
It should do around the same if it’s hot asf out but reducing temperature instead

[dense atlas]

ah wait nvm yeah it went away after i slept and cooled off

[warm saddle]

I nerfed the temperature stuff for armor a little bit and I’ll probably adjust the formulas in the future but it’s mostly to keep you alive on red mountain and keep you from freezing in solstheim and the velothi mountains

[dense atlas]

im in balmora

[warm saddle]

Yeah you might need to re equip armor for the new formulas to take effect 😅

[dense atlas]

i think it was negating the cold that the wet and night was giving

anyway, fantastic work, its so incredibly detailed

[warm saddle]

Yeah for sure and thank you 😄

[sour leaf]

The new wood cutting is just

Combine this with simply mining and crafting framework and this is basically Minecraft now

[tepid sedge]

campfire lets you dry off like 50% per hour, its kinda ridiculous how fast you dry

make sure you enable the wetness debuff (in the temp settings):
"-2-10 speed and personality, +3-15% weakness to common disease and shock"

[half summit]

So sick! Thank you guys! ❤️‍🔥

[rotund epoch]

I enabled it. Nice. I think that drying off could be a little bit slower. Not 10 times slower but maybe 2 times slower.

Enjoying the update overall

Stew value rebalance is nice

[sour leaf]

I went into a store soaking wet and was refused service

10/10 no notes

Unironically though. I used to work in a small store and if someone came in dripping wet, I'd send them outside lmao

[rotund epoch]

Time for service refusal expansion. "Are you serious? You are making a mess here. Dry yourself first!"

[humble mica]

“Where did you find those clothes? In a lake?”

[sour leaf]

That + FMI Service Refusal + Nighttime service refusal

[humble mica]

“By the gods, you're half-drowned!”

[rough salmon]

stole it from dreugh

[sour leaf]

The true Morrowind experience

Everyone fucking hates you

[rotund epoch]

Argonian shopkeepers: Ah, feels like home. Customer welcome.

[humble mica]

“You're drenched, outlander. Find a fire.”

[sour leaf]

Unique ones for booksellers or clothiers would be cool too since it would make sense for them specifically to not want a soaking wet person browsing their products

[humble mica]

oh, there's actually a line for that. “Marshbrother?”

[rotund epoch]

"No! You will get my stuff all wet!" (-5 Disposition)

[sour leaf]

Exactly

[rotund epoch]

Suran red light district unique response: "Oh. Wet already? I haven't even started yet..."

[sour leaf]

Increases your disposition with Crassius

[rotund epoch]

"Oh, sweet pumpkin, you know how to get old Uncle interested."

Imperial cult unique poor PC response: "Poor dear. Here. Dry yourself up. Remember to stand near a fire." Cloth added to inventory

[half summit]

Have you no sense about you!? You spread puddles like a drowned rat!

[tepid sedge]

muddy shoes

[sour leaf]

That too

[digital ledge]

detailed survvial mod for OpenMW

finally

the methodone clinic analogy for my Ashfall addiction

[warm saddle]

Happy to hear it

Sun’s Dusk won’t ever have mod dependencies so there won’t ever be crafting, at least as part of the main mod, but most other features can be implemented although that’s not what I’m going for

Though I thank Merlord greatly for his cell detection

[digital ledge]

praise be

[warm saddle]

Btw @rough salmon did you want a bathing module?

[rough salmon]

Would be cool to have, yeah

[warm saddle]

I’m thinking about throwing a quick one together since I want to get stinkers out of my load order

[rough salmon]

Few ideas I came up just now

• dirtiness can vary based on terrain texture you're walking on (roads are cleaner, dirt is dirtier - stuff like that)
• interaction with containers in dungeons increases dirtiness (idk, they're probably dusty)
• taking damage increases dirtiness (blood, vomit, etc)

[warm saddle]

Good ideas yeah

This one will be super basic since I literally just want to replace stinkers in my load order but the one I eventually post on nexus will be much more developed

This is what I have so far:

• Must bathe twice a week, every day lose 1 stage
• Glowing, clean, dirty
• +2 personality 10% resist common disease ; +1 personality ; -4 personality 10% weakness to common disease
• Interact with soap in the overworld, tooltip: pick up, bathe (bathe only works when player is wet)
• Icon(s)
• Icon color/background and bg color
• Settings: static, gradual
• Must be 50% submerged or swimming
• Shift + click soak in inventory and drag to character to use soap without overworld stuff
• Go without bathing for a week or so to receive a random common disease

Really didn’t want to go into details to make a new settings menu so it’ll just be baked into that module lmfao

[rough salmon]

It also, I guess, would be just fine with getting it's own semi-transparent icon instead of a bar

[warm saddle]

Yeah it would have an icon

[rough salmon]

Interacting with items is fine. We don't have a lot of that going on either way

[rough salmon]

Would cloth for bathing make a cut for this version?

[warm saddle]

Yeah I liked what you said about that a lot, keeps you from having to dig through your inventory and such

[warm saddle]

Hmm not sure

Like you need cloth in your inventory?

[rough salmon]

Nah, just as a cheap replacement for soap, since it's either expensive or hard to come by

basicaly will clean you just fine, but not to the max

[warm saddle]

Hmm that’s also a good idea, I was going to add swimming makes you a little cleaner but not much

Unless in the bitter coast maybe except the Odai river

[rough salmon]

oh shit, random common disease is an awesome touch!

[warm saddle]

Stinkers has bathhouses for each of the great houses, I’d eventually add support for something like that but I’d need to add Redoran and Hlaalu stuff to the cell detection global script which I’m not interested in doing right now lmao I just want something super basic

I won’t upload it to nexus until it’s fully developed and stress tested but if you wanted to try it out I’ll put more effort into testing it rather than fixing stuff as I play haha

[rough salmon]

I will start a new character soon, I'm just constantly getting carried away by new Risk of Rain 2 DLC 😵‍💫

[rough salmon]

I would like to try it, but your "will put more effort into testing it" sounds like it would take a quite a bit of your time

So it's basically up to you

[half summit]

sign me up chief 🫡 that sounds awesome

[sour leaf]

I'm also on board

[rough salmon]

I would gladly help iron out the minor stuff as I play though

[half summit]

but yeah i second this

[warm saddle]

Hmm nah I wasn’t planning on spending more than a few hours making it and I’ll test it on my thicc cfg instead of vanilla like I usually do

[sour leaf]

This is one reason why I’d love to see your take on blight weather mechanics btw 😅

Just one less thing for my load order

Plus the interop with your other needs modules

[warm saddle]

Yeah I realised I’ll have to do weather stuff too haha, so the next things on the list will likely be dynamic needs since weather will take a bit

[half summit]

dont forget to hydrate

[rough salmon]

don't forget to soup

[rotund epoch]

If bathing is implemented, it def needs a stronger debuff than -4 personality if you are ignoring it.

[warm saddle]

Which is why I want to do an actual playthrough to get a good vibe of how the mod actually feels in game … but having a shitty bathing mod installed annoys me

[warm saddle]

Yeah the one I upload to nexus will be more rewarding/punishing and have more debuffs and whatnot, I just want something super basic atm

[rotund epoch]

I also think that some random NPCs responses would be nice. Service refusal from high class merchants would be cool as well.

[half summit]

sneak debuff

[rotund epoch]

Oh, KCD vibe

[half summit]

yeye