lean stump Apr 24, 2026, 1:22 AM

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Doing a bit of cleaning in FactionPerks to make the menu less cluttered. Basically making sure that all the relevant requirements are present before showing them.

@atomic venture Are hidden perks still obtainable? I was thinking of hiding perks that you already have so that the perk list doesn't become a mass of names as you obtain more - seeing as you can already see them in the Stat Window

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Don't worry, I saw the error on the line regarding checking to see if both inFaction and correctFactionRank are true and already fixed it

atomic venture Apr 24, 2026, 1:25 AM

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lean stump Doing a bit of cleaning in FactionPerks to make the menu less cluttered. Basical...

If you have the perk, it will still show up in the window near the end of the list

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Even if it is hidden

lean stump Apr 24, 2026, 1:25 AM

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Ah, I see

lean stump Apr 24, 2026, 4:50 AM

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Right, that's all sorted, so it's way less cluttered, and means you're not spammed with perks you can't unlock. This is currently available on the Github version of the mod

Next of the docket is fixing idempotent perks - had a few reports of it, and I can see how it could be happening. So going to address that, then upload the previous version and this patch together as v1.2

Then gonna work on an optional Vampires add-on

lean stump Apr 24, 2026, 5:07 AM

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Oh bugger, I messed up a bunch of code. I need to fix this

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accidentally replaced a bunch of >= and <= with ==

lean stump Apr 24, 2026, 5:32 AM

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Phew, I was wondering why my Fighter's counterattack was proccing on every single hit

lean stump Apr 26, 2026, 5:40 PM

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Almost finished doing a big patch that fixes idempotency issues, as well as incorrect value states for Wit of House Telvanni and Magical Cartography (the stored values would zero out on booting up a new game session, but the buffs would be applied, then the cached values would be loaded, and apply to the still buffed values, leading to stacking effects)

Filtering out "harmful" effects for Wit of House Telvanni, because I couldn't find a way to keep the "downside" without it being messy

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Currently doing a fair bit of testing for the edge cases that I can think of, and if all goes to plan, it should be up in the next day or so

lean stump May 2, 2026, 7:39 PM

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I FINALLY fixed the biggest issue that was causing me problems

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Holy CRAP

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I wanted to get it fixed before the update but I was really struggling to get it sorted

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But it WORKS

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I can finally cull spell effect durations through save/load, so you can't abuse it to infinitely stack effects

lean stump May 2, 2026, 8:11 PM

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FactionPerks 1.1.8 has been uploaded!
Fixes include:
Fixed fortify effects not applying correctly
Fixed persistence issues with Wit of House Telvanni enchantments
Fixed inter-save stacking of Mages Guild Magical Cartography
Added the following commands to help track any MG:MC issues:
"lua mg cartography dump" prints a list of all visited locations to console
"lua mg cartography clear" clears all visited locations from this save

eager fractal May 3, 2026, 10:07 AM

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lean stump FactionPerks 1.1.8 has been uploaded! Fixes include: Fixed fortify effects not a...

Time to pull the repo 🙂 Thanks for the update.

lean stump May 5, 2026, 11:29 PM

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Major bugfix implemented:

No more stacking CastOnEffect enchants with Telvanni
No more infinitely stacking modifiers with perks that apply Fortify to dynamic stats

Guide posted on the main page to instruct people on how to fix broken modifiers

lean stump May 7, 2026, 12:33 PM

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Testing my 0.51 branch of the mod, adding East Empire Company, which can manipulate the amount of gold held by merchants, wish me luck!

lean stump May 7, 2026, 2:31 PM

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Need to fix it so it applies after a restock too, just noticed

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But with (probably placeholder) current values:
EEC Perk 2 increases gold by 250 or 25%, whichever is larger
Perk 3 by 500 or 35%
Perk 4 by 1000 or 50%

In that screenshot, I have Perk 3, and he starts with 12000 gold base

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Will probably look at final values around
50/10%
150/25%
250/50%

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But also might do a tie-in with Tamriel_Data, and add a third scalar, which is 1/5/10% of your EEC Stocks

lean stump May 7, 2026, 10:52 PM

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Ok yeahhhh

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This is getting funky in a cool way

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Instead of 1/5/10% of your EEC Stocks

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I'm doing 0.1% of the value of your total EEC stocks if you have Tamriel_Data. To a max of 20%/50%/100% (so if the value of stocks was currently 100 septims, it would be 200/500/1000 stocks)
So it's conditionally better than the base % calculator, if you've invested money. But if you don't interact with the stocks at all, you won't see the difference

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But, this can fluctate day to day ingame

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And certain quests can raise or lower the base value of the stock, making it easier or harder to attain

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Right, that should be implemented - now time to see if it works

lean stump May 8, 2026, 12:37 AM

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Ok, the % and flat bonuses work. It's all working first try

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Holy

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https://tenor.com/view/whgatf-skittle-gang-skittle-gang-when-whgatff-shaking-cat-gif-5113598663869415731

Tenor

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And the restock is working too

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AAAA

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Losing the perks is working... regaining them is working

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Honestly, I just want to put a bit more flavour into it, also so it's easier to see what it's actually doing

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Oh, and I need to reach Factor rank to see if the unique effect of the Power is working

lean stump May 8, 2026, 2:00 AM

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Even Factor's Promise is working properly, oh boy

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Yeah, so I just want to get the flavour down right, trim down the perk descriptions a bit so they actually fit in the block (Is there something we could do here? A scrollbar in there, or flexible text size?)

And once I've done that, bam, time to release

atomic venture May 8, 2026, 3:44 AM

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scrollbars on text blocks aren't really do-able 🤔
the text could be scroll-able, with work but it will be funky
changing text size will not work consistently because of GUI scaling I think

you are free to play around with the framework itself; I'm happy to take patches. you know what you are doing now 😄

lean stump May 8, 2026, 11:07 AM

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The OpenMW 0.51 version has been released as an optional file download - to keep it simple, just use it to replace the existing version, though installing it by itself works too, as it contains all the files

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https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58651?tab=description

FactionsPerks for OpenMW 0.51 has been released! Now includes the last "vanilla" faction: The East Empire Company!

Expand merchants coffers, and - if you're running Tamriel Data - further benefit from your stock portfolio!

Nexus Mods :: Morrowind

FactionsPerks (OpenMW)

A mod based on the OpenMW Perk Framework that adds several perks to each faction

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Factor's Promise cast, further increasing their reserver

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Empires Coffers adds 450, because 50% of 900 is larger than 250. The Portfolio adds 137 because I want that to be a gold-sink reward, I have 1000~ stocks currently worth about 130 something.

Factor's Promise triples the value of Empire's Coffers for the next 30s - adding what should be 1350 with this logic instead of 450. But I've just noticed that's not working properly...

Even if it just adds the lower bound of 250*2 (500) then it's still 50 gold short

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Some shenanigans are afoot

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It worked with another merchant properly

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Oh I'm a dumbass KEKW

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Do you know what 2074 IS equal to?
900 + 900 + 274

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Because I forgot to account for the fact that this acts as a replacer for the base calc, not a modifier

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factorExtra should be base*3, not 2

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So now it should be - in this scenario

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900 base

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450 * 3 = 1350
128 * 3 = 384 (stock value changed, so worth less today)
= 1734

900 = 2634 gold expected with Factor's Promise

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Success!

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Fix has been uploaded

lean stump May 8, 2026, 12:44 PM

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Hmm, now running into an issue with the stocks value, and trying to understand why it's not working

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I feel like I'm not seeing correct values for the stock portfolio - I'm interacting with a merchant with a base of 12000 gold, and only seeing a bonus of 144 gold - when I own 1039 shares at a current 95 value each which total to 98705
0.1% of that is 98.705

So with me being Senior Factor - I should be expecting 11844 more gold from stocks, not 144

atomic venture May 8, 2026, 1:00 PM

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Have you looked at Best I Can Do for code inspiration?

lean stump May 8, 2026, 1:05 PM

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Not yet, I'm re-reading the code to see where I could have tripped up

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Oh that's odd

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Wait nvm, I misread my debugs

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I'm seeing the issue

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Better view

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Miscalculation in the % value

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Thereeee we go

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    local stockComp = 0
    if hasTamrielData then
        local s         = EEC_STOCK_BONUS[rank] --Gets current rank's stock limits
        local portfolio = getEECPortfolioValue()
        local stockRaw  = (math.floor(portfolio * s.pct)) / 100 -- calculates the percent value of the total stock
        local stockCap  = math.floor(baseGold  * s.cap) -- Sets the cap to the % value of the merchant's base gold
        local stockValue = math.floor(baseGold * stockRaw) -- Sets the % value of the stock amount in regards to the merchant's gold
        stockComp = math.min(stockValue, stockCap) -- Gets the lower value of the current percent value or the rank cap

So I was calculating the portfolion by multiplying it by 0.001 - effectively doing a divide by 100, but the issue was is that calculates the % value of the portfolio, which is used in other sections of the code, I needed to further divide that by 100 to get the correct value to multiply baseGold with later

stockCap works properly, finding the % value of the stock cap from the table, and multiplying the merchan'ts base gold by that amount to find the max amount of gold I can give them.

I forgot to add stockValue, to find the amount of gold the portfolio % would grant, and I was just adding the % value (128 in the previous example) of the portfolio instead of multiplying that value by the merchant's base gold to find the amount that would give (when it should have been baseGold * floor(1.28, 1.00)

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Now for the other test, with Factor's Promise

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(6000 + 12000) * 3 = 54000

12000 = 66000

Oh dear, the previous Factors Promise was working correctly, it was the stocks that were broken

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welp, easy fix

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2 is 36000

12000 is 48000

Correct!

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I wonder if it was because I calculated the bonus without the Promise first, and then added Promise

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Yes

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Right, time to fix that

lean stump May 8, 2026, 9:01 PM

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All sorted and uploaded now :3

lean stump May 8, 2026, 9:21 PM

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Before I start working on SkillPerks - I'm gonna take some time to learn the UI stuff, and see what I can do with it.

All the more opportunities to learn new skills, especially now that FactionPerks is in a place I'm happy with

atomic venture May 8, 2026, 9:41 PM

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Woo! UI stuff is annoying sometimes but it can be very rewarding

lean stump May 8, 2026, 9:44 PM

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I feel like making a comfortable UI can improve the flow of a mod by a lot

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No offence intended to you - seeing as the framework works wonders, but the UI is usable at best, I still run into a few issues with it myself

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But, it's already better than what I can currently make

atomic venture May 8, 2026, 10:01 PM

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No offense taken 36vehks

lean stump May 10, 2026, 3:31 AM

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Currently WIP, not working entirely the way I expected, but steps are coming

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Need to tweak other UI stuff, but it's functioning!

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It becomes just as easy as adding in a category into the requirements

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Currently, a Category is a table made up of 3 entities

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It's entirely optional

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1: String - Dictates the tab at the top which it will belong in - the tabs are dynamically generated

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2: String - Titles the dropdown menu in it's respective tab

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3: Integer - Dictates the order within the dropdown menu that it will be sorted by

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Gonna do a bit more testing, then will branch it from your main, if that's ok @atomic venture ? Just so I can do version control when it's in a state I'm more happy with

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Oh, I also bound the scrollwheel, so it doesn't loop around in this version - that got really frustrating xD

lean stump May 10, 2026, 3:57 AM

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atomic venture May 10, 2026, 4:18 AM

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Cool! Yeah please feel free to fork or whatever. Just keep it AGPL etc

eager fractal May 10, 2026, 6:38 AM

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lean stump

This looks great. Really nice work 👍

lean stump May 10, 2026, 6:23 PM

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Man, UI design is frustrating, this is why I struggled in Website Design in college xD

unreal scaffold May 10, 2026, 6:25 PM

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fuck CSS

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all my homies hate CSS

lean stump May 10, 2026, 6:25 PM

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I've got tabs working, got categories working, and I've got in-type ordering working

unreal scaffold May 10, 2026, 6:26 PM

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friendly reminder that there's a Virtual List by G7 :d
https://github.com/Greatness7/openmw_virtual_list/tree/main

GitHub

GitHub - Greatness7/openmw_virtual_list

Contribute to Greatness7/openmw_virtual_list development by creating an account on GitHub.

lean stump May 10, 2026, 6:27 PM

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I've changed some wording to make things a bit more understandable

The buttons at the bottom now read "Acquire" and "Exit"
Current perk points, and the cost of the currently selected perk are displayed next to the buttons

unreal scaffold May 10, 2026, 6:27 PM

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And while the tabs at the top look nice, I doubt its scalability

lean stump May 10, 2026, 6:27 PM

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But somehow, every time I change something, the description box breaks

unreal scaffold May 10, 2026, 6:28 PM

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second list with groups to the side or folders would've been a more reliable option imo

lean stump May 10, 2026, 6:29 PM

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unreal scaffold And while the tabs at the top look nice, I doubt its scalability

At the moment I'm making tabs based on each faction type, because I'm the only mod out there, and it makes testing multiple tabs easier

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That does make me think I can instead tab by mod, then the categories specified in the mod files themselves dictate their sorting within that instead

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There's a bunch of ways to do it

unreal scaffold May 10, 2026, 6:31 PM

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the design is very human todd

atomic venture May 10, 2026, 8:05 PM

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double scroll list is very nice imo

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but if you break controller controls I'll cry

lean stump May 10, 2026, 8:13 PM

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That's a truth, I need to ensure my changes are controller compatible

lean stump May 10, 2026, 11:39 PM

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Hhhhhh, I can get the text layout and costs places nicely, but that pushes the buttons out of the menu

atomic venture May 10, 2026, 11:40 PM

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Ui is frustrating 😞

lean stump May 10, 2026, 11:41 PM

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UI design always makes me want to pull my teeth out - but I know it's so conducive to good user experience

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I explained it to my friend:

It's like editing a Word Document, and moving a picture around - the stereotypical meme. Except you don't know that it's messed up until you've saved it and sent it out on an email

atomic venture May 10, 2026, 11:58 PM

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LivelyMap was the most complicated UI I will ever do in openmw. Totally nuts, mixed in 3d

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Got burned out a long time after that one

lean stump May 12, 2026, 11:36 AM

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I got it working!

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That was hellish

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Still fixing some more issues though, "excessive" requirements (in my case, regional branches of factions) is causing requirements cutting off. So working on that

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I might see if I can make a "Flavour" and an "Effects" text set

atomic venture May 12, 2026, 12:14 PM

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Maybe you could extend requirements to have a visibility flag and just not print it

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Actually, make a custom requirement that contains a bundle of faction requirements and set your own requirement text. That is the best way

lean stump May 12, 2026, 12:22 PM

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Probably, that was one thing I was gonna tackle after this - I just want to be able to view flavour and mechanical text without it becoming a massive blob

lean stump May 14, 2026, 7:18 AM

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still trying to fix these damn text clipping issues ;-; I think I'm almsot there

dull igloo May 14, 2026, 1:50 PM

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lean stump

fire

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I've been really enjoying the faction perks mod after having the issues I was facing fixed

atomic venture May 14, 2026, 1:58 PM

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@lean stump would you like edit permissions on the perk framework nexus page, or are you planning to publish your fork separately there?

lean stump May 14, 2026, 2:09 PM

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Once my fork is more complete, we can talk about it, I'm still ironing out a lot of bugs, including one that causes a CTD ^_^;

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Pagination is... annoying to achieve. But I want to be able to have perks that list multiple effects without it becoming just a huge blob of text xD

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And something is causing a CTD and idk quite what, so lots of experimenting

atomic venture May 14, 2026, 2:11 PM

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You can fake it by adjusting position to negative values in the child, and make the parent a constant size widget

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You won't be able to render a scrollbar though

lean stump May 14, 2026, 2:13 PM

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Yeah, the scrollbar was noted, was creating buttons that changed pages

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Oh, and don't worry, I've been keeping controller compatability ;)

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My current goal is:
Visually compress requirements if they're a table of sub-requirements, and reduce the space between lines to increase space on the page
Display a (optional) Flavour Text section - this is displayed no matter what page of the Description you're on
If the Description gets too long (or if spacers are placed in for manual control) split the description into multiple pages to not clutter the page

lean stump May 15, 2026, 6:40 AM

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atomic venture You can fake it by adjusting position to negative values in the child, and make ...

Thnak you so much for this

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lean stump May 15, 2026, 7:33 AM

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I added a little more for legibility on my end (Effect x:)

But it works!

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Working on adding something that changes:
"Mages Guild Evoker, Skyrim Mages Guild Evoker, Cyrodiil Mages Guild Evoker, Hammerfell Mages Guild Evoker"
in Requirements

To instead be parsed as
"Mages Guild Evoker in: Morrowind, Skyrim, Cyrodiil or Hammerfell"

lean stump May 15, 2026, 12:17 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/nounish-dao-nouns-noggles-tlawNnswcTAmGjKRHQ

Giphy

nounish ⌐◨-◨

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This one doesn't have flavour text and description seperated, but still loads and doesn't CTD

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And it compresses the multi-requirement down

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Hell yeah

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Automatic pagination for perk descriptions that exceeds the character limit also work

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(just splits by word amount, not by section, allows for longer descriptions, but doesn't make it as bite size as manual pagination)

lean stump May 15, 2026, 12:40 PM

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@atomic venture I leave this up to you, technically, the only changes are in perkpage.lua and perk.lua
I'd be happy for you to merge it with your main file.

Though I need to test controller compat a bit more, my controller broke - the code should work though
left and right on dpad changes the current tab
left face button opens/closes current dropdown
left and right shoulder buttons changes description page

I am unsure how to get the scroll to skip the hidden perks currently, but it shouldn't be too hard for me to get working soon, and for the currently "selected" perk to be more visibly selected so that it's more visible for controllers

But if you'd prefer to keep it separate - then I would probably either upload them as a set of replacer files either as a standalone mod (with PerkFramework as a requirement, obviously. I'd only upload the two files, not the entire mod) or as optional files for FactionPerks and other Perk mods I would make

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Credit will obviously be given, as I wouldn't gotten this far without your work to begin with

atomic venture May 15, 2026, 1:33 PM

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What you have to do is this:
Add an AUTHORS file and put our names in it.
Update the copyright notices in all the files you changed to point to the AUTHORS file.
Don't remove the LICENSE file.
If you upload to Nexus, you need to select "custom permissions" and direct them to the License file.

This is all you are required to do per the license. You can reupload the whole mod if you want, provided you follow those rules

lean stump May 15, 2026, 1:34 PM

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👍

atomic venture May 15, 2026, 1:35 PM

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I'm happy to either give you edit perms on the framework mod in nexus, or if you want download credit I can point a link to your fork on my version of the mod

lean stump May 15, 2026, 1:37 PM

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I suppose my question would be: Would you want these functions in the base mod, or not? Because that dictates the direction more I feel

atomic venture May 15, 2026, 1:39 PM

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I like them and would want them in the base mod. We can upload it as v2, and keep the old version around if people prefer it for some reason

lean stump May 15, 2026, 1:40 PM

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Sounds good to me, I'll just update the files as you've requested and push that to my branch

atomic venture May 15, 2026, 1:40 PM

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Cool, I'll give you edit perms in Nexus

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You already have perms 😆

lean stump May 15, 2026, 1:46 PM

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ooh, I'll update the readme too to contain the new sections of building a perk

lean stump May 15, 2026, 2:07 PM

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Do we want the base version, or this one to be considered the default?

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Might be safer to direct it to the new version, so that people using auto-downloading methods don't grab one that is incompatible with categories and flavour text if they download the version of my mods that contain those

atomic venture May 15, 2026, 2:09 PM

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Yeah make the new one the default. Keep the old in case there is a bug

lean stump May 15, 2026, 2:11 PM

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Done :3

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https://tenor.com/view/cat-scared-gif-27466237

Tenor

crystal comet May 15, 2026, 2:17 PM

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lean stump https://tenor.com/view/cat-scared-gif-27466237

Don't worry. It's Morrowind. What's the worst that can happen?

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Right?

lean stump May 15, 2026, 2:18 PM

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I mean, that's why I focused on patching that CTD so much, and blur's suggestion to just push the text into negative space instead of dividing into seperate bites worked perfectly

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Honestly, one thing that's useful being the only current perk mod, is that it's easier to identify what is causing errors

crystal comet May 15, 2026, 2:20 PM

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I've never heard of any bugs in Morrowind or Morrowind mods trollvehk .

lean stump May 15, 2026, 2:20 PM

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We don't have bugs, we have Shalks and Scribs

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doitswit

crystal comet May 15, 2026, 2:20 PM

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Features doitswit

lean stump May 15, 2026, 2:24 PM

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I can't test the controller functionality, but as far as I can tell, it should work fine.
Next thing I need to add for my own sanity in that case is:
Scrolling skips unavailable perks/menus
Currently Selected perk is highlighted a bit more visibly (might not be needed if the scrolling thing is done)
Obtained perks are displayed in a different colour to unavailable ones, to make it easier to parse visually

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 2:50 PM

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lean stump

This is so much better than how it currently is

lean stump May 15, 2026, 2:51 PM

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The current release version of FactionPerks doesn't currently have the flavourtext and categories etc

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But

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https://github.com/TyrusDalet/FactionPerks/tree/TyrusDalet-OpenMW0.51-FlavourPatch

You can get the working version here while it's a WIP

GitHub

GitHub - TyrusDalet/FactionPerks at TyrusDalet-OpenMW0.51-FlavourPatch

A Morrowind mod based off of blurpandra's OpenMW Perk Framework mod - TyrusDalet/FactionPerks

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 2:52 PM

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Bet

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 2:52 PM

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lean stump The current release version of FactionPerks doesn't currently have the flavourte...

Yeah that's fine, I know flavour text isn't the most pressing thing opposed to if it works

lean stump May 15, 2026, 2:53 PM

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Categories in this version are applied to all of the perks

Only flavour text and manual pagination mainly applied to East Empire Company, but I will sit down later tonight and work through the other factions

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The other factions are getting it automatically applied where needed, and the branch requirements are being compressed for visual clarity

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 2:56 PM

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lean stump https://github.com/TyrusDalet/FactionPerks/tree/TyrusDalet-OpenMW0.51-FlavourPat...

Finna download this right now and play around with it, I'll let you know if I hit any issues

lean stump May 15, 2026, 2:57 PM

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Please do, there's only so much testing I can do myself xD

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 4:55 PM

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major issue, The perk framework is NOT working for me, I can't bring up the menu at all and I think I'm noticing that the spells with the perks aren't working (the one that applies chameleon when sneaking for example)

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I've tried both the console command and resting

lean stump May 15, 2026, 4:55 PM

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Anything in the lua log?

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 4:56 PM

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How do I actually look at that? New to morrowind

lean stump May 15, 2026, 4:56 PM

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F10

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Anything in red text is important

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 4:59 PM

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Honestly, I'm getting stuff in red text but nothing to do with the perks, just another mod I have

lean stump May 15, 2026, 5:00 PM

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what happens when you try to open the perk menu?

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 5:01 PM

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absolutely nothing

lean stump May 15, 2026, 5:01 PM

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Hmmm

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 5:02 PM

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It does work when I go back to the old version of the perk framework tho

lean stump May 15, 2026, 5:02 PM

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Lemme double check something

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I might have missed a file

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Oh did i forget the manifest and list files somehow, let me make sure

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 5:05 PM

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yeah just went back to the old framework to make sure, still works fine

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the new one almost acts as if the mod doesn't exist

lean stump May 15, 2026, 5:06 PM

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Yup, I forgor some files

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 5:07 PM

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brother forgor💀

lean stump May 15, 2026, 5:14 PM

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Wait this is odd, it's showing in the git files, let me check again

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Why is this working for me then

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Do you mind showing me your mod list?

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 5:18 PM

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is there an easy way to do that?

lean stump May 15, 2026, 5:19 PM

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Should just be able to screenshot your mods in the launcher?

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 5:19 PM

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got you

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I made a doc file because I could not screenshot there was too many

📎 openmw_modlist.odt

lean stump May 15, 2026, 5:27 PM

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Ah, I think I see

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 5:27 PM

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📎 openmw_mods.txt

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I think this is better

lean stump May 15, 2026, 5:27 PM

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Did you place the files from the new framwork into the existing folder, or did you delete the old one and replace it with the new one?

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 5:28 PM

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I did the first thing you said, then I deleted all the files in the framework and replaced them with the new ones

lean stump May 15, 2026, 5:28 PM

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Because if you deleted and replaced, just check to make sure the file path is still accurate for both of them

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 5:32 PM

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nope, still nothing

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I just put the new files in the folder itself and added it to my directories

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and it's still not working

lean stump May 15, 2026, 5:34 PM

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Try replacing the current file in ErnPerksFramework/Scripts/pcp with this, might be it

📎 myui.lua

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Just trying to narrow things down

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I'm just confused, because it's file-for-file the same as the one I'm playing on right now

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 5:41 PM

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still nothing

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I even tried a test save to see if it was a new save only thing, this shit is just not working

lean stump May 15, 2026, 5:43 PM

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That would normally suggest an error when the game loads, but there's nothing in the log at all?

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 5:55 PM

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I even unloaded every single mod except for perk framework and what it needs (and I think tamriel rebuilt) but nothing

lean stump May 15, 2026, 6:03 PM

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OH

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I think I see

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You're loading the spells after the mod itself

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Try the other way around

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 6:07 PM

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nope

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still nothing

lean stump May 15, 2026, 6:07 PM

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Huh

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 6:13 PM

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yeah it's the framework completely, The other issue must of been something else cause I respec and readded the perk and the chameleon actually worked.

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i do have more info

lean stump May 15, 2026, 6:15 PM

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Without a log, it's hard to tell what's going wrong, especially when it's working on my end

lean stump May 15, 2026, 6:15 PM

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dull igloo i do have more info

oh?

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 6:15 PM

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when I update the framework, it pops up multiple times in the scripts menu section

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like three sections for "ErnPerkFramework"

lean stump May 15, 2026, 6:17 PM

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Do you mind trying again, and copying that text into here? You can click+drag to select the text in the log, and ctrl+v to paste it

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Just wanna see what it's doing

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 6:17 PM

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yeah let m,e just go back to the new framework

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I made 2 because I have one save with my perks on and one without, here's the lua logs

📎 ernperkframework_no_perks_enabled.txt 📎 ernperkframework_perks.txt

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The Morrowind Files

lean stump May 15, 2026, 6:25 PM

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I'm seeing a ton of errors for "omw acheivements" and "Alteration Movement"

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 6:26 PM

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exactly, but I'm not seeing anything for the perk framework

lean stump May 15, 2026, 6:26 PM

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What gets me is that I run Alteration Movement too, and I don't get those errors

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Just to confirm, what version of openMW are you running?

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 6:29 PM

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0.51.00 RC

lean stump May 15, 2026, 6:30 PM

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Ok, same as me

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 6:32 PM

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update with out the mods causing clogging up the log with errors

📎 1112333.txt

lean stump May 15, 2026, 6:34 PM

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Huh that's

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That's not me - I don't call for any animations

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I've updated the FlavourPatch - this was one version behind my current one
https://github.com/TyrusDalet/FactionPerks/tree/TyrusDalet-OpenMW0.51-FlavourPatch

GitHub

GitHub - TyrusDalet/FactionPerks at TyrusDalet-OpenMW0.51-FlavourPatch

A Morrowind mod based off of blurpandra's OpenMW Perk Framework mod - TyrusDalet/FactionPerks

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 6:37 PM

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lean stump That's not me - I don't call for any animations

yeah it's weird, I swear that your not even coming up in the lua logs, I swear this something wrong where the mod deploys.

lean stump May 15, 2026, 6:54 PM

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dull igloo yeah it's weird, I swear that your not even coming up in the lua logs, I swear t...

Try with the updated FactionPerks flavour patch - in case it was perk construction that broke it

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 6:55 PM

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nope

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I tried it

lean stump May 15, 2026, 6:56 PM

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hmm

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Why the hell odes it work for me and not for you

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That's what I'm wondering

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 6:57 PM

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I got one last idea and if it's this, the game is dumb

lean stump May 15, 2026, 6:58 PM

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Based and true

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 7:01 PM

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nope the game surprisingly is not dumb

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I'm officially lost

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I might just have to stick to the old framework and just see if more people trying it out figures out the issue

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I also gotta actually work on music lol

lean stump May 15, 2026, 7:04 PM

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Yeah, just remember to switch back to the non-Flavour patch perks on the old framework

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 7:04 PM

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lean stump Yeah, just remember to switch back to the non-Flavour patch perks on the old fra...

funny enough, it works perfectly fine even with the flavour patch perks

lean stump May 15, 2026, 7:06 PM

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That's

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Odd, but good at least

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I guess it just doesn't process the flavour text or categories

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But everything else is fine

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Right, I've tried installing the git version of the mod - which should be identical to the one on my pc

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Aaand it works perfectly for me

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 7:57 PM

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hey I'm back, weird thing I got (because I'm procrastinating the music) so, I'm on the older framework, older version of the faction perks on the nexus mods. They all work, but upon loading my saves with the perks, It stops working.

lean stump May 15, 2026, 7:58 PM

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That's odd, I didn't touch any of the save stuff

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 7:58 PM

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I mean, when I load a save, the perk with chameleon stops working

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It works perfectly fine otherwise

lean stump May 15, 2026, 7:58 PM

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Oh hmm

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You're getting the stats still right

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But no chameleon?

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 7:59 PM

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yeah

lean stump May 15, 2026, 7:59 PM

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That's one of the first perks I made, so I think I know why

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Lemme check

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 8:00 PM

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lean stump That's one of the first perks I made, so I think I know why

oh shit the og

lean stump May 15, 2026, 8:05 PM

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Just a single file change, I've uploaded it to the git, but this is the only one you need to change if I know how it was failing

📎 FPerks_TG.lua

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I think the issue was that it wasn't saving that you had the variable that allows you to cloak. But the flag was already changed so it didn't update

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That's my current theory

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Am going to go make some dinner, so if I don't respond, that's why 👍

eager fractal May 15, 2026, 8:11 PM

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I would be glad to test this next week on clean install. Just to clarify do I need your Git Clone and the PerkFramework Git Clone?

dull igloo May 15, 2026, 8:16 PM

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lean stump I think the issue was that it wasn't saving that you had the variable that allow...

oh, very strange, wasn't working, but i think a cell change fixed it cause I went into one of the cantons of vivec and noticed it worked after trying to crouch

eager fractal May 15, 2026, 8:40 PM

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Maybe a stupid question but should "lua perks" always open the perk menu, even if I'm not eligibly for any perks? Then I would not work with my fresh install either I'm afraid.

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Ok I guess my setup is failing since I cheated wrong? I just set my intelligence and willpower to 100 and PCRaiseRank "Mages Guild" a few times. The first time i "enablemenulevelup" i get the perk menu, although the word wrap feature is not active (maybe I cloned the wrong repo).
After that the menu does not open, even with "lua perks" and even if i do "lua respecperks" before that. Can't see anything in the log either. Is my setup wrong?
The only thing I see are these warnings which I guess are irrelevant:

[22:47:58.654 W] unused key 'horizontal' in props
[22:47:58.654 W] unused key 'autoSize' in props
[22:47:58.657 W] Warnings generated for LuaFlex named 'detailLayout':
[22:47:58.657 W]   in content[0]:
[22:47:58.657 W]   Warnings generated for unnamed LuaWidget:
[22:47:58.657 W]     unused key 'arrange' in props
[22:47:58.657 W]     in content[0]:
[22:47:58.657 W]     Warnings generated for unnamed LuaImage:
[22:47:58.657 W]       unused key 'alignment' in layout
[22:47:58.657 W]   in content[2]:
[22:47:58.657 W]   Warnings generated for unnamed LuaText:
[22:47:58.657 W]     unused key 'alignment' in layout
[22:47:58.657 W]   in content[3]:
[22:47:58.657 W]   Warnings generated for LuaFlex named 'vflex':
[22:47:58.657 W]     in content[1]:
[...]

lean stump May 15, 2026, 9:25 PM

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eager fractal Maybe a stupid question but should "lua perks" always open the perk menu, even i...

You only see perks that you are currently eligible to receive.

Try out the PerkFramework - Expanded, as that's a more recent version that is being tested

lean stump May 15, 2026, 9:27 PM

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eager fractal Ok I guess my setup is failing since I cheated wrong? I just set my intelligence...

Do you mind dm-ing me that whole log block so I can look through it? It shouldn't be related to PerkFramework, but I want to be sure

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The word wrap issue with the requirements is an issue resolved in the Expanded framework

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Because it compresses down multi-branch requirements

lean stump May 16, 2026, 6:21 PM

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Pushed an update to the Expanded Framework!

Changes

Improved and fixed controller/keyboard navigation
Highlighted perks that have already been obtained
Scrolling/Navigating now skips unavailable perks

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dull igloo May 16, 2026, 7:02 PM

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lean stump

new version works for me

lean stump May 16, 2026, 7:03 PM

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Woohoo!!

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I wonder what fixed it? But regardless, I'm happy that it does

dull igloo May 16, 2026, 7:05 PM

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Ok i think I noticed something

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It does the thing I was talking asbout where the abilities and stuff like that don't work unless I type "lua perks" in the console

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then it works all fine

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so I think it's just something where it's not initializing the perks I have

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but it's perfectly fine afterwards

lean stump May 16, 2026, 7:07 PM

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It takes a few moments to initialise all the perks

flint portal May 17, 2026, 8:01 AM

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Mod looks great and I think I'll give it a shot but I have question regarding balance, doesnt this make game strictly easier because perks === free skill, attri points?

lean stump May 17, 2026, 11:04 AM

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flint portal Mod looks great and I think I'll give it a shot but I have question regarding ba...

Yes it does. But in my experience it doesn't trivialise the game.

lean stump May 17, 2026, 11:52 AM

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https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58651?tab=files

Added the full Flavour Text patch to the optional files! When used with PerkFramework - Expanded, it uses the flavour text section and pagination to further increase the legibility of perks!

Nexus Mods :: Morrowind

FactionsPerks (OpenMW)

A mod based on the OpenMW Perk Framework that adds several perks to each faction

pine birch May 20, 2026, 8:23 AM

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@lean stump . Hi

Got a report of no-skill gain happening with N'Garde installed.

Looks like it actually happens in:

[string "scripts/factionperks/fperks_il.lua"]:113: attempt to compare number with boolean

It's in your Imperial Legion SkillUseHandler:

interfaces.SkillProgression.addSkillUsedHandler(function(skillId, params)
    if skillId ~= "block" then return end

    local rank = getILRank()
    if not rank >= 3 then return end

not sure how rank can be boolean, getILRank seems like it can't return that, haven't dug deeper. But I trigger skillUse via a pcall, and it seems that your handler breaks under certain circumstances.

lean stump May 20, 2026, 9:28 AM

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pine birch <@189131800545722369> . Hi Got a report of no-skill gain happening with N'Garde...

Thanks for the report, this helped me learn more about how lua actually functions here. I did some digging, and apparently "not" is a higher order operator than ">="

So it was being parsed as

if (not rank) >= 3

This would make it return Nil if rank was a number, then attempt to compare that to 3, which would cause the error.

So I just need to change it to

if not rank or rank > 3

Feel free to change that in your own version, and I'll make an update to the ones on Nexus

pine birch May 20, 2026, 10:10 AM

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Can't you do if not (rank >= 3)?

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Duh, no. It can be nil

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Disregard

lean stump May 20, 2026, 10:13 AM

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👍

lean stump May 20, 2026, 5:14 PM

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If anyone is willing to answer, I have put together a Google Form to help me collect some community suggestions for SkillPerks

The current working idea will total a whopping 270 perks (Technically 162, but the weaker perks have upgrades)

A perk at skill level 25, that upgrades at 50, 75, and 100
A perk at skill level 50 that upgrades at 100
2 Perks at level 75 that are mutually exclusive, and has the player choose between a generic buff or a skill-specific buff
2 perks at level 100 that requires the level 100 version of the level 25 perk, and one of the level 75 perks. This acts as an evolution of the level 75 perk to give a feeling of mastery.

Because of the sheer number of additions, I will work on this one category at a time, (Combat, Stealth, Magic) but will take suggestions for any skill that is not currently finished or in progress.

Suggestion Form:
https://forms.gle/8LUTkBz8ERY7ih7j7

Google Docs

SkillsPerks - Skill Suggestion Form

This form is to help me collate community suggestions for perk ideas!

This Form has been set to not collect your email, for your privacy

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For anyone who wants to read a little design idea, here's the rough notes:

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OpenMW SkillPerk Mod Notes

Core Pattern

Each Morrowind skill gets 10 perk entries:

Slot	Level	Purpose
A1	25	Main skill perk, first version
A2	50	Upgrade to A1
A3	75	Upgrade to A2
A4	100	Final upgrade to A3
B1	50	Secondary perk
B2	100	Upgrade to B1
C1	75	Generic buff choice
D1	75	Skill-specific buff choice
C2	100	Generic mastery, requires A4 and C1
D2	100	Skill mastery, requires A4 and D1

Design Goals

Give every skill an identity without turning the mod into a huge overhaul of the skill system itself.
Make level 25 feel like the skill has opened up.
Make level 50 and 75 add direction, not just bigger numbers.
Make level 100 feel like mastery.
Keep generic choices useful for broad builds.
Keep skill-specific choices more flavorful and more strongly tied to what the skill does.
Create a framework that can be used by other developers, should they want to add perks to their own custom skills.

Good Perk Idea Checklist

Use this when deciding whether an idea belongs in the tree.

Does it fit the skill fantasy?
Is it easy to explain in one short sentence?
Can Perk Framework/OpenMW support it cleanly?
Does it interact with existing systems in a fun way?
Is the level requirement appropriate?
Does the level 100 version feel like an evolution, not just a repeat?

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Slot Notes

A Chain: Level 25, 50, 75, 100

This is the main identity perk for the skill. It should be reliable and always relevant to someone investing in that skill. This represents - beyond just the game's expected growth of efficacy - improvements in effectiveness. More damage from weapons, less impedence from armour etc.

B Chain: Level 50, 100

This can be narrower, stranger, or more build-defining than the A chain. It only needs two versions, so it should be easy to understand. Think of it like a generic "ability" that the skill grants, maybe a fully charged Blunt attack has a chance to knock enemies prone for example.

Level 75 Choice

C1 is the generic buff. It can support many builds and does not have to be deeply tied to the skill. It gives mild character-wide benefits, but does not grant effects that would exactly define a character build.

D1 is the skill-specific buff. It should feel like the player is leaning into that skill's personality.

Level 100 Mastery Choice

C2 evolves the generic level 75 choice. Maybe it grants it some capabilities that some builds really want, maybe it just empowers it, maybe it gives it additional effects.

D2 evolves the skill-specific level 75 choice. Triples down on what the skill evokes.

Both require A4, so the player needs full mastery of the skill's main chain before taking the capstone.

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:01 PM

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pine birch <@189131800545722369> . Hi Got a report of no-skill gain happening with N'Garde...

Can you confirm if the fix worked on your end? I'm not seeing any error myself, but I know what to look for more on my end than yours

pine birch May 20, 2026, 6:02 PM

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It wasn't on my install

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:02 PM

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Ah

pine birch May 20, 2026, 6:02 PM

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I got a bug report for ngarde, and debug logging tells the user which mod's skillusedhandler failed

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:03 PM

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I think I need to tweak the detection a little bit regardless, the counter damage is still triggering when there's damage taken - when the idea was to only deal damage if no damage was taken

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But I'm not seeing any skill handler errors on my install anymore

pine birch May 20, 2026, 6:05 PM

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lean stump I think I need to tweak the detection a little bit regardless, the counter damag...

this will never exit

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attack.damage is a table

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check for attack.damage.health == 0

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or attack.damage.fatigue == 0

maybe both, as h2h attacks are usually fatigue, but can have both with mods

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:08 PM

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damage is a table

pine birch May 20, 2026, 6:08 PM

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yes

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cause it has health and fatigue components

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:08 PM

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Thank you!

pine birch May 20, 2026, 6:08 PM

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really also check for
if not attack.damage

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cause that can happen

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I mean attack.damage can be nil.

So check if the table itself exists, and check values on the underlying fields and that they exist

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you will also trigger on misses

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so maybe check for attack.successful too

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that one is a bool

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IIrc you want it to trigger on blocked attacks. And it's a bit funny cause with n'garde one can parry/block missed attacks, but I'm not certain base game allows that

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:12 PM

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Huh, I thought I did, I might have mixed up memories of the FG counterattack.

In Vanilla, a block is something rolled after a successful attack is checked iirc.

pine birch May 20, 2026, 6:13 PM

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^ What I got from nexus this morning

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:13 PM

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Does N'Garde turn parried misses into Successful attacks, but nulls them anyway?

pine birch May 20, 2026, 6:13 PM

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lean stump Does N'Garde turn parried misses into Successful attacks, but nulls them anyway?

no

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:13 PM

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pine birch ^ What I got from nexus this morning

Yeah, IL was some of the earlier work, so I don't remember it fully until I look at it

pine birch May 20, 2026, 6:14 PM

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It can turn all misses into "glancing blows" but two processes are unrelated

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:14 PM

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Ahh

late hinge May 20, 2026, 6:15 PM

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Sorry to interrupt, but if I may ask:

Is it possible to affect the results of a damage roll?

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:15 PM

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I need to see if unsuccessful attacks = 0 damage or nil damage

pine birch May 20, 2026, 6:15 PM

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late hinge Sorry to interrupt, but if I may ask: Is it possible to affect the results of a...

No, but sort of. What are you aiming for?

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Also - there's no "damage roll"

late hinge May 20, 2026, 6:15 PM

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Make a weapon not do max damage.

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Trying to think of something interesting for the suggestion form.

pine birch May 20, 2026, 6:16 PM

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late hinge Make a weapon not do max damage.

Game has no roll, it always hits with the percentage of damage range that is directly proportional to your swing charge time

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quick attack - min damage, longhold - max damage

late hinge May 20, 2026, 6:16 PM

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So can you affect that?

pine birch May 20, 2026, 6:16 PM

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it's jank, but yes

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:17 PM

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late hinge Sorry to interrupt, but if I may ask: Is it possible to affect the results of a...

The damage number isn't a random range, it's a representation of no charge -> max charge

But yeah, you can do a degree, I believe I do something similar with my Imperial Cult effect

late hinge May 20, 2026, 6:17 PM

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I wanted to think of something that's not necessarily Shield or Sanctuary for Unarmored.

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Was thinking of something lowering the possible max damage amount

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:20 PM

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NPC damage works differently, they randomly choose a charge level and attack at that, but technically, you could read the damage and change it. But I'm not sure if that works because the damage was already applied.

Maybe you can intercept it, and apply the adjusted amount, but I'm not 100% sure

late hinge May 20, 2026, 6:21 PM

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Thank you!

pine birch May 20, 2026, 6:22 PM

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you can easily do that

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in the onhit handler

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change the damage, pass it along

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it is not yet applied when onhit fires

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you don't need to care about charge (attack.strength) either imo

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just drop the damage by e.g. 10% and move on

late hinge May 20, 2026, 6:24 PM

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Considering whether or not to lean into the religious element of factions that favor Unarmored.

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Scaling damage reduction based on... something.

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:25 PM

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Oh Arrean, does the fatigue loss from a block/parry get carried by attack.damage? Or is it applied as a seperate effect?

late hinge May 20, 2026, 6:25 PM

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Personality would fit the IC, not sure about TT.

pine birch May 20, 2026, 6:25 PM

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lean stump Oh Arrean, does the fatigue loss from a block/parry get carried by attack.damage...

fatigue cost of the parry itself is a separate effect. Portion of damage converted to fatigue from health is in attack.damage.fatigue

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:27 PM

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late hinge Personality would fit the IC, not sure about TT.

Just remember, the suggestion form is for SkillPerks, not FactionPerks.

As far as I am concerned, until I want to add TR/PT factions as an expansion, FactionPerks is complete.

Try to relate skill effects to the skill itself, and it's capabilities, more than it's relations to other things

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:27 PM

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pine birch fatigue cost of the parry itself is a separate effect. Portion of damage convert...

Good good, just wanted to make sure

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That should make things tidier, and still work with both Vanilla and N'Garde.

No need to check if it's successful or not, because I still want it to trigger on Missed Parries. But it won't trigger if the attack misses and wasn't parried or blocked, because it won't trigger the handler looking for a Block skill event

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Hmm, still triggering when I'm dealt damage

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Derp, I checked for AND not OR

late hinge May 20, 2026, 6:37 PM

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lean stump Just remember, the suggestion form is for SkillPerks, not FactionPerks. As far ...

I think it's relation to other things is important. You mentioned above for certain perks to "lean into the skills personality". An Unarmored player sacrifices a lot to use it. All of the protection and extra enchants of armor pieces, for what? Carrying capacity and roleplay, IMO. Maybe Fatigue management and stealth? Don't know much about those calcs.

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Unarmored is non-threatening. Caius goes without armor or weapon to seem like a harmless addict. Priests and monks go unarmored to show their faith. Vampire factions also favor Unarmored, but not entirely sure why.

versed jewel May 20, 2026, 6:45 PM

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late hinge I think it's relation to other things is important. You mentioned above for cert...

Fatigue management, stealth, carry weight (and attack speed or movement speed) related perks seem pretty interesting actually

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the non-threatening aspect also is interesting actually. Not sure how it could go. like, it could be interpreted as both being underestimated (easier to taunt people into attacking? ennemies less likely to flee?) or being more approachable (boosting chances of "admire" success? boosting disposition?)

late hinge May 20, 2026, 6:51 PM

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Being armored is the default position for most classes and factions. Even the stealth-focused MT and TG favor Light Armor for it's greater protection at minimal weight cost. You probably have a very specific role in mind if you choose to forego armor.

sick ice May 20, 2026, 6:52 PM

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Ordinator had a perk, I don't remember the exact mechanism, but it gave you a stacking buff that expired when you got hit

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:53 PM

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@pine birch If an attack is not fully blocked, I'm assuming that damage isn't carried through by attack.damage, and applied after the fact, right?

pine birch May 20, 2026, 6:54 PM

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you will be incorrect

versed jewel May 20, 2026, 6:54 PM

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sick ice Ordinator had a perk, I don't remember the exact mechanism, but it gave you a st...

not sure this could be related to a specific armor type, considering vanilla doesn't have a dodge bonus for any type of armour afaik. And the armour skill that is agility-related is light armour, not unarmored

pine birch May 20, 2026, 6:54 PM

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vanilla only ever blocks full damage.

N'garde can let some damage through, it is still carried by attack.damage

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:55 PM

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Huh, then why is it that when I check for if no damage is dealt, the reflect still goes off?
If damage was dealt, then it shouldn't fire

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Unless

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Ohhhh

sick ice May 20, 2026, 6:55 PM

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also perhaps specific for n'garde usage: give you a resistance bonus when you're in the blocking stance with a shield. Or similarly when you raise your shield to block you get some small window of 100% reflect with a sufficnetly long cooldown.

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:55 PM

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I think I understand

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It's doing damage after the onHit handler is checked, right?

sick ice May 20, 2026, 6:56 PM

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versed jewel not sure this could be related to a specific armor type, considering vanilla doe...

I think it was light armor in skyrim, but idk how much that would matter. Light armor, unarmored, sort of arbitrary.

pine birch May 20, 2026, 6:56 PM

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lean stump It's doing damage after the onHit handler is checked, right?

What would be the 'it' in this sentence?

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:57 PM

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interfaces.Combat.addOnHitHandler(function(attack)
    ilLastAttacker     = nil
    ilFatigueBeforeHit = 0

    local rank = getILRank()
    if not rank then return end
    if not attack.attacker or not attack.attacker:isValid() then return end
    if not attack.sourceType == interfaces.Combat.ATTACK_SOURCE_TYPES.Melee then return end
    if attack.damage then --If the attack has damage inside it
        local healthDmg  = attack.damage.health  or 0 -- Get the health damage dealt
        local fatigueDmg = attack.damage.fatigue or 0 -- Get the fatigue damage dealt
        if healthDmg ~= 0 and fatigueDmg ~= 0 then return end -- If the attack did ANY damage, then do not return damage
    end

    ilLastAttacker     = attack.attacker
    ilFatigueBeforeHit = types.Actor.stats.dynamic.fatigue(self).current
end)

This is how the onHit is tracked

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    if skillId ~= "block" then return end

    local rank = getILRank()
    if not rank and rank > 3 then return end
    if not ilLastAttacker or not ilLastAttacker:isValid() then return end

    local blockSkill = types.NPC.stats.skills.block(self).modified
    local reflectDmg = math.floor(blockSkill * 0.25)

    ilLastAttacker:sendEvent("FPerks_TakeDamage", { amount = reflectDmg })

    local fatigueNow  = types.Actor.stats.dynamic.fatigue(self).current
    local fatigueCost = math.max(0, ilFatigueBeforeHit - fatigueNow)

    if fatigueCost <= 0 then
        fatigueCost = reflectDmg * IL_FATIGUE_PROXY_SCALAR
        print("IL Resolve: fatigue delta was 0, using proxy: " .. fatigueCost)
    else
        print("IL Resolve: fatigue delta precise: " .. fatigueCost)
    end

    local restorePercent = IL_FATIGUE_RESTORE[rank]
    local fatigueRestore = math.floor(fatigueCost * restorePercent)

    if fatigueRestore > 0 then
        local fatigue    = types.Actor.stats.dynamic.fatigue(self)
        local maxFatigue = fatigue.base + fatigue.modifier
        fatigue.current  = math.min(fatigue.current + fatigueRestore, maxFatigue)
    end

    ambient.playSound("health damage")

    print("IL Resolve: reflected=" .. reflectDmg
        .. " fatigue restored=" .. fatigueRestore
        .. " (" .. (restorePercent * 100) .. "% of " .. fatigueCost .. ")")

    ilLastAttacker     = nil
    ilFatigueBeforeHit = 0
end)```

This is the Skill handler

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But

sick ice May 20, 2026, 6:57 PM

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re: monk types - something that would let you hit harder (use more fatigue) to deal more H2H damage

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:57 PM

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The damage is being dealt between the onHit, and the skillHandler check

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I think

pine birch May 20, 2026, 6:57 PM

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...

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Even if it is - I'm not sure how it's relevant.

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Also - why do you even need the skillUsedHandler here?

lean stump May 20, 2026, 6:59 PM

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To make sure that Block triggers. Because I have another effect in the mod which can reduce damage to 0

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And because it is able to regenerate a % of fatigue used when blocking

pine birch May 20, 2026, 6:59 PM

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That's a fragile way to do it

lean stump May 20, 2026, 7:00 PM

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Oh?

pine birch May 20, 2026, 7:00 PM

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give me a sec

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try this:

interfaces.Combat.addOnHitHandler(function(attack)
    ilLastAttacker     = nil
    ilFatigueBeforeHit = 0

    local rank = getILRank()
    if not rank then return end
    if not attack.attacker or not attack.attacker:isValid() then return end
    if not attack.sourceType == interfaces.Combat.ATTACK_SOURCE_TYPES.Melee then return end
    if not attack.damage then return end
    if attack.damage then --If the attack has damage inside it
        local healthDmg  = attack.damage.health  or 0 -- Get the health damage dealt
        local fatigueDmg = attack.damage.fatigue or 0 -- Get the fatigue damage dealt
        if healthDmg > 0 and fatigueDmg > 0 then return end -- If the attack did ANY damage, then do not return damage
    end

    ilLastAttacker     = attack.attacker
    ilFatigueBeforeHit = types.Actor.stats.dynamic.fatigue(self).current
end)

lean stump May 20, 2026, 7:05 PM

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Yup that works!

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ty ty

pine birch May 20, 2026, 7:05 PM

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you forgot to check if attack.damage exists at all

lean stump May 20, 2026, 7:05 PM

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At first I was thinking that

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If attack.damage was nil, then it's the same as no damage being dealt, so it should be ok

pine birch May 20, 2026, 7:05 PM

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Or rather - you didn't early out if it doesn't

lean stump May 20, 2026, 7:06 PM

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But somehow checking to see if nil damage wasn't true, that resolved the issue of if damage WAS dealt

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Coding amirite

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Wait nevermind, it worked once, then didn't work a second time

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Whaaaa

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https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-kitty-hold-fdiOoSR8omN5RO36Yo

Giphy

lean stump May 20, 2026, 7:31 PM

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I'll take another look at it later

atomic venture May 20, 2026, 10:16 PM

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@lean stump I think your expanded version is missing the latest update

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Having installed Expanded Framework, I'm no longer seeing any option in the Script Menu to have it open on rest.

lean stump May 20, 2026, 10:55 PM

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atomic venture <@189131800545722369> I think your expanded version is missing the latest update

Hmm, lemme check, thanks for letting me know!

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Ah yeah, likely, I'm not using NCG, so I forgot about that patch

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I'll get on that

lean stump May 20, 2026, 11:24 PM

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Does anyone here run NCG? I don't so it's hard to test - If you do, could you test the updated Expanded Framework here:
https://github.com/TyrusDalet/ErnPerkFramework---Tyrus-Revision

I don't want to push it to nexus if it doesn't work

GitHub

GitHub - TyrusDalet/ErnPerkFramework---Tyrus-Revision: OpenMW mod t...

OpenMW mod that adds a perk framework. Contribute to TyrusDalet/ErnPerkFramework---Tyrus-Revision development by creating an account on GitHub.

atomic venture May 20, 2026, 11:32 PM

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You can test by setting the mod setting to on and then resting

lean stump May 20, 2026, 11:41 PM

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Will try that shortly

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Hm, the mod has disappeared from the scripts settings list

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Helps to not accidentally remove settings.init()

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Ok, the fix works, just need to upload that to Nexus now.

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Uploaded, Expanded Framework should now be compatible with NCG!

copper owl May 24, 2026, 9:34 AM

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This is amazing work. I might be tempted to try and make my own perk addition for this.. A bunch of small things, starting with a perk for each skill then expanding from there maybe.. Then again my Lua scripting is rusty- And by rusty, i mean its crumbled to dust-

lean stump May 24, 2026, 11:03 AM

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copper owl This is amazing work. I might be tempted to try and make my own perk addition fo...

Feel free to use my existing work as reference! The more mods, the better everyone will get

copper owl May 24, 2026, 4:44 PM

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Yehh

lean stump May 24, 2026, 4:46 PM

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I'm making my own Skill Perks too, but that's in the style and structure of my own. (Dear god there's going to be so many)

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The more perks the merrier!

copper owl May 24, 2026, 5:51 PM

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is there a way to fortify an attribute/skill without keeping you from leveling it.

lean stump May 24, 2026, 5:52 PM

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Apply it as a modifier, instead of through an Ability

copper owl May 24, 2026, 5:53 PM

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Modifier, gotcha

lean stump May 24, 2026, 5:59 PM

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Remember to ensure that perk effects are idempotent, like instead of just applying the modifier (which will cause it to be applied every time the save is loaded), set a flag that applies the modifier when true, and removes it when removed.

copper owl May 24, 2026, 5:59 PM

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Okay that makes sense

unreal scaffold May 25, 2026, 10:41 AM

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copper owl This is amazing work. I might be tempted to try and make my own perk addition fo...

Definitely. This framework is a well of untapped potential

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If you want, I can share a pdf with some of the ideas thrown around during its development

copper owl May 25, 2026, 4:12 PM

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i actually found that myself

unreal scaffold May 25, 2026, 4:31 PM

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🤝

lean stump May 25, 2026, 8:47 PM

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Just pushed a fix to nexus for FactionPerks!

Followers, NPC's, and other combatants no longer accidentally trigger Mephala's Kiss (MT4) when the player is Sneaking

Apparently I forgot to filter the trigger to check if the incoming attack was from a Player, and just checked to see if the player was sneaking xD

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That's been in the mod since day 1 apparently, so I'm honestly surprised it took this long to be noticed

lean stump May 27, 2026, 5:25 PM

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A few idea documents for SkillPerks that I've collated - some a more developed that others, some are just placeholders until I see how implementation goes:

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Combat Skills:

📎 Combat_Perk_Design_Notes.md

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Stealth Skills:

📎 Stealth_Perk_Design_Notes.md

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Magic Skills:

📎 Magic_Perk_Design_Notes.md

sick ice May 27, 2026, 5:34 PM

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this is smart stuff, I like the focus on how the skills work base game

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especially things that change your gameplay incentive - like alchemy creating a playstyle that you always want to slam a potion, alteration you always want to be messing with feather/weight/shield effects

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mysticism always be soul trapping

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I feel like that gets you out of your gameplay rut a little bit

lean stump May 27, 2026, 5:43 PM

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I feel like I'm always pushing towards "Just run Absorb Health spells bro, that way you don't die if it gets Reflected"

So I wanted to push other effects, and while Mysticism's A-chain of perks is closely tied to Enchant, I feel like that's a given because of how closely intertwined they are as skills in the first place

sick ice May 27, 2026, 5:43 PM

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Yeah, it's so easy to fall into meta gaming or jack of all trades in morrowind

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incentives to branch out are good

lean stump May 27, 2026, 5:44 PM

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But that's why the C perks for Myst make Reflect/Absorb less of an issue (C Perks being ones that are generically useful)
Whilst the D perks (specialised for that skill) are "Fuck it, we Absorb it ALL"

versed jewel May 27, 2026, 6:20 PM

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lean stump Combat Skills:

Idea for Axe :

This seems oriented towards enemy armor, but that would make some perks with no effect against unarmored opponent. I tend to think you wouldnt want to get hit by an axe without armour though.

-> what of high-mastery perk adding a bonus when hitting an enemy with damaged/no armour?
Could be a classic bleed, straight up bonus damage, or maiming effect (but since other weapon specialise in disabling effects, and straight damage is boring, I tend to favour the DOT option).
It would also be in line with the damaging armour theme : damage armour, then reap the benefit?

lean stump May 27, 2026, 6:20 PM

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Also, I might see if I can detatch the stat buffs in FactionPerks from spells, and make them part of the perk itself, and then see if I can tie that in to Stat Window Extender to show up as a different "source"

lean stump May 27, 2026, 6:20 PM

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versed jewel Idea for Axe : This seems oriented towards enemy armor, but that would make som...

That was a thought I had, yeah!

versed jewel May 27, 2026, 6:21 PM

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Love the idea of fear on kill though. I already picture the barbarian wearing little armour, berserker like, and the fear would help survivability in group encounters

lean stump May 27, 2026, 6:22 PM

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I always found Axe struggled in group fights unless you were strong enough to oneshot, because Axes tend to be so slow

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Was thinking of having the demoralize be based off of the level of the killed enemy, so you could literally "cut their leadership off"

versed jewel May 27, 2026, 6:24 PM

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Though fear would have to be carefully balanced to be an asset. Not too short duration/range to still be helpfull, while not too long because running after your ennemies when youre a melee fighter can be annoying ahah

Also, does demoralize count as an attack? Thinking of impacts towards potential friendlies in the area. It makes sense they would also be impacted somehow, but you dont want to make them start a fight with you afterwards, right?

sick ice May 27, 2026, 6:26 PM

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For the axe demoralize I was definitely thinking of like, axe murderer archetype but I’m not 100% sure the neatest way to do it

lean stump May 27, 2026, 6:26 PM

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versed jewel Though fear would have to be carefully balanced to be an asset. Not too short du...

Demoralize is an "offensive" spell, but is not a "hostile" effect

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So it wouldn't cause bounties, or make people attack you iirc

sick ice May 27, 2026, 6:28 PM

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Blunt having some sort of concussive force, a stacking blind+sound effect would also be vibey

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Get knocked around the head, trouble hitting or casting

lean stump May 27, 2026, 6:31 PM

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sick ice Blunt having some sort of concussive force, a stacking blind+sound effect would ...

I could see the D-choice being the counterpart to the A-Chain - repeated attacks in a short duration cause stacking amounts of Blind, Sound, and Burden

versed jewel May 27, 2026, 6:31 PM

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sound impacts how they dodge, not how they hit, right?

lean stump May 27, 2026, 6:31 PM

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Sound is casting chance

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Blind is hit chance

versed jewel May 27, 2026, 6:32 PM

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I rarely play any illusion so Im often confused, sorry ^^

lean stump May 27, 2026, 6:32 PM

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Sound is potentially stronger than Silence - because an enemy with Sound will still attempt to cast spells, but a Silenced one will switch to weapons

crystal comet May 27, 2026, 8:35 PM

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lean stump Sound is potentially stronger than Silence - because an enemy with Sound will st...

In theory, yes. However, you need to have both enough Sound magnitude and duration for it to matter, as many enemies will have high casting chance. In an unmodded game, Silence will usually be stronger. Sound doesn't get resisted by Willpower, though, while Silence (like Paralysis) does.

lean stump May 27, 2026, 8:43 PM

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crystal comet In theory, yes. However, you need to have both enough Sound magnitude and durati...

Which is why I think it's more fun to apply a decent chunk of stacking Sound than just applying Silence

lean stump May 28, 2026, 11:59 PM

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Working on adding some integration with AAM and Stat Window Extender - still ironing out some kinks. Want to move representation of the stats gained from spell effects to just modifiers, then AAM and Stat Window Extender can display the exact numbers

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The negative value is because of a weird interaction between one perk's effects being removed, and another being added

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Goddamnit, now I need to fix idempotency again.

I watch my block go from 30 (without perks) to 40 with IL2. Save and load, watch it go to 40, save and load again, and watch it go to 50 etc

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But I fixed the negative stat issue

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Oh I think I know why - unlike the previous method, with Abilities (which can't stack, so it was never an issue) - the stat modifiers are saved to the character, but then when the save is loaded, it runs setRank again for each perk, and re-grants all the stat bonuses and the like

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I can simply fix that by adding a flag first - having that be saved onSave, and loaded onLoad - and checking to see if the player has the flag. If they do, they don't need to run that setRank. otherwise, they can

atomic venture May 29, 2026, 5:18 AM

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What's AAM?

lean stump May 29, 2026, 5:21 AM

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atomic venture What's AAM?

AbilitiesAreModifiers

I don't even use it personally to perform that function (just toggled it off in the settings) but it has an interface hook with Stat Window Extender that allows you to display where modifiers are coming from inside the tooltip of the stat

atomic venture May 29, 2026, 5:21 AM

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Ah ok

rigid holly May 29, 2026, 7:59 AM

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lean stump AbilitiesAreModifiers I don't even use it personally to perform that function (...

Yeah, there are lots of engine features related to modifying stats with lua which is one reason why that tooltip was added to Abilities are Multipliers

lean stump May 29, 2026, 8:49 AM

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rigid holly Yeah, there are lots of engine features related to modifying stats with lua whic...

It's so useful, it means that I don't have to have a magic menu with a tooltip for Fortify Attribute or Fortify Skill the size of my screen

lean stump May 30, 2026, 2:07 PM

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Furthered ideas for the Combat Skill Perks - numbers are not final, and am still open to suggestions for effects

📎 Combat_Perk_Design_Updates.md

pine birch May 30, 2026, 2:13 PM

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CHARGE_THRESHOLD is a shared constant defined in skillperks_shared.lua. Approximately 0.8-1.0 seconds.

thats 2 to 6 times longer than real max charge durations

lean stump May 30, 2026, 2:39 PM

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pine birch >`CHARGE_THRESHOLD` is a shared constant defined in `skillperks_shared.lua`. App...

Number was just thrown out there with a spitball number

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Nothing is finished or final yet

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Just general ideas that I'm comfortable with

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Is full charge really only like 0.2s? That feels way too quick

pine birch May 30, 2026, 2:44 PM

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Depends. 2h sword thrust is 145 ms

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2h sword chop is 300 something iirc

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bow is just under 500

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it's the distance between start and max attack keys in the animation group

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you can get it dynamically in lua:

local maxTime = animation.getTextKeyTime(actorSelf, maxKey)
local minTime = animation.getTextKeyTime(actorSelf, minKey)
local drawTime = 0
if maxTime and minTime then
    drawTime = maxTime - minTime
end

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https://morrowind-nif.github.io/Notes_EN/module_2_5_1_1_4.htm?ms=CQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEAg&st=MA%3D%3D&sct=MA%3D%3D&mw=NDAw

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^ the list of weapon animation groups

lean stump May 30, 2026, 3:07 PM

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pine birch you can get it dynamically in lua: ```lua local maxTime = animation.getTextKeyTi...

Oh dope, thank you!

pine birch May 30, 2026, 3:09 PM

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the key format you'd need to pass into getTextKeyTime is
groupname: keynamer
e.g.
weapononehand: chop max attack

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I was doing my testing between min and max attack

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but maybe you'd want to do between start and max attack

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if it's for player you also need to detect which attack type they are using. And self.controls.use lies. So you may need to hack around that by reading movement at the beginning of the attack -
self.controls.movement is fwd/bckwd
self.controls.sideMovement is self explanatory.

0/0 - chop
any/0 - thrust
0/any - slash

lean stump May 30, 2026, 3:15 PM

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Stuff like this is exactly why I shared to document. Other people know more than me, and it helps me understand where my knowledge is lacking

pine birch May 30, 2026, 3:16 PM

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maybe take a quick look at threat.lua of n'garde.
I am using all these textKey shenanigans to detect the attack strength/ draw strength for bows. It is missing the movement thing, as I've abandoned that particular part, but everything else I've described above is there

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https://gitlab.com/Arrean/openmwluaparry/-/blob/master/scripts/ngarde/controllers/threat.lua?ref_type=heads

GitLab

scripts/ngarde/controllers/threat.lua · master · Arrean / NGarde ...

GitLab.com

pine birch May 30, 2026, 3:16 PM

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lean stump Stuff like this is exactly why I shared to document. Other people know more than...

Happy to share what I know

lean stump May 31, 2026, 11:10 AM

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Question for people:

I'm getting a little stuck when it comes to general direction in regards to a few skills -

I've got an idea to either reward the player or punish enemies when dodging in Light Armour, any thoughts as to what should happen?

What do you guys see Mercantile perks doing? This one is quite hard I've found, because a lot of things I were originally thinking, seem to be either impossible, or too hard for me understand how to do currently.

For Security - I can already give a chance to not use durability, and can easily make it so that if you interact with a locked object that you have a 100% chance of unlocking with your equipped tool, it auto-opens. But what else would you want the perks to achieve?

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For Sneak - What can I even do? The engine doesn't expose too much, and I don't want to just do the thing that my Morag Tong perks do. What would someone who is skilled in Sneak be able to do that the game doesn't already grant?

Speechcraft - just granting increased Disposition, or improving the success rates of Disposition effects is boring, because you already get that. What could perks grant that feel appropriate for Morrowind's systems?

sick ice May 31, 2026, 12:16 PM

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For mercantile, I think you could look at how Make a Profit handles it although it may overlap.

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Giving vendors more gold, bypassing sale restrictions

rigid holly May 31, 2026, 12:18 PM

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Without Inventory Extender, there are very few things you can do as far as Mercantile and merchants aside from changing their barter gold

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There are a few mods which give mercantile xp on successful barters which I haven't looked into, 95% of my mod is ~~abusing~~ using inventory extender in some way or another

sick ice May 31, 2026, 12:19 PM

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I wonder if you could do something like insert bargain items into vendor inventories

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Would incentivize you to go around trading if you could hunt a special deal

rigid holly May 31, 2026, 12:21 PM

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You could, but then you'd be dealing with resolving inventories, mapping items to specific services, and modifying their prices with however you want to do that, I'm assuming from createRecordDraft or load but personally it's not something I would do

sick ice May 31, 2026, 12:24 PM

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😕

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Speechcraft and Security idk

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I like how Ordinator let you use picks on automatons and also made use of traps, but that seems outside the scope

sick ice May 31, 2026, 12:32 PM

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rigid holly You could, but then you'd be dealing with resolving inventories, mapping items t...

Free Junk: a chance on merchant interaction to receive free junk*. No inventory management required.

*quality of junk may vary

lean stump May 31, 2026, 12:37 PM

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Hmmm... I wonder if I could do something funky

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Whenever you buy multiple items, the value of the cheapest one (with max value determined by perk or skill) has it's cost refunded to you

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Could perhaps track that value per day, so you can't just swipe an entire merchants cheap stock though

sick ice May 31, 2026, 12:40 PM

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Bulk Buy Eligible

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Somewhat boring, give you a sneak bonus while you have a probe or lock pick in hand

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Earnest: speechcraft failures are half as bad

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Trustworthy: Friends will lend you money

lean stump May 31, 2026, 12:48 PM

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I guess I could check for UI mode change, compare current disp to disp when the UI last changed and if it goes down, increase the disp to a % of the difference

rigid holly May 31, 2026, 12:50 PM

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lean stump Whenever you buy multiple items, the value of the cheapest one (with max value d...

Just a head's up though that if you're using inventory extender or want compatibility with it, you would need something radically different since you're technically not bartering when the IE window is open

lean stump May 31, 2026, 12:51 PM

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rigid holly Just a head's up though that if you're using inventory extender or want compatib...

Thanks for the heads up! I use it myself, so that prevents a future headache of "why isn't this working"

rigid holly May 31, 2026, 12:52 PM

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In that case, you can do just about anything with bartering haha

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I modify prices, change the haggling formula, remove filters for the items that are tradeable, just to name a few

sick ice May 31, 2026, 12:53 PM

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Code Switch: disposition/speechcraft bonus matching clothes to NPC class

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Poor clothes = bonus with common people sort of thing

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I’m just spitballing

lean stump May 31, 2026, 12:55 PM

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Hmm, I might just require more mods to be installed for SkillPerks to work properly. I've been thinking about it in a largely empty environment, but the more I look, the more limited the hooks are without other frameworks or systems exposing them

sick ice May 31, 2026, 12:55 PM

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Does intimidate work better with a weapon drawn? Maybe something that gives you that bonus without a weapon.

Not super useful but vibey.

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You could also do some sort of specialization? Better intimidate, worse admins or something

lean stump May 31, 2026, 1:07 PM

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sick ice You could also do some sort of specialization? Better intimidate, worse admins o...

Other than the generic buff vs specific skills buff with C and D chain perks respectively, I'm avoiding mutually exclusive perks.

Too many of them, and it feels like you're getting locked out of more than you're getting. Even if that isn't the case in reality

sick ice May 31, 2026, 1:16 PM

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What I really want from speechcraft is a way to avoid combat

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Since it already has sort of domain dominance in NPC interaction

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Like adds a calm power equal to your speech

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If only we had some sort of aura effect

lean stump May 31, 2026, 1:36 PM

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sick ice What I really want from speechcraft is a way to avoid combat

See, that sort of thing is possible - just boost the Disposition of nearby NPC's enough. Hell, you can get the same in vanilla when chugging Telvanni Bug Musk.

The issue is, that doesn't feel like a Morrowind thing. MERCY does it well enough, but it doesn't feel like a thing that a perk would do

atomic venture May 31, 2026, 1:40 PM

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For mercantile, you could do these-

reset merchant available gold instantly to their base value if it goes below their base value (or some other trigger to do it)
increase their base value
insert items into their inventory so they have more variety

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Get bonus money for selling gems and ingots

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Some interop with the Bricca bank

lean stump May 31, 2026, 1:57 PM

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I think I'm gonna do a Bank Overhaul as a seperate mod honestly. I can see so much that the game could do, that it doesn't currently

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Thinking about Speechcraft D, I can picture something simple, but honestly quite useful for a talker character

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D1 Reducing / D2 negating - the disposition penalty for faction rivalries

atomic venture May 31, 2026, 2:05 PM

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Could add a dialogue option when you get caught by a guard

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Also a way to get around being shut out of dialogue when you're a vampire

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A way to sell contraband

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Bribe refunds

sick ice May 31, 2026, 2:15 PM

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I feel like the hard thing for speechcraft is effects that you wouldn’t also get just by raising disp

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Using speech

lean stump May 31, 2026, 2:16 PM

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That is the hard part yeah

atomic venture Jun 1, 2026, 3:40 AM

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released https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/59190 since the art is so prevalent in the perks ui

Nexus Mods :: Morrowind

HD Character Cards

Scaled up Birthsign and Class character creation textures.

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I don't really see the difference in-game

versed jewel Jun 1, 2026, 9:25 AM

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lean stump For Sneak - What can I even do? The engine doesn't expose too much, and I don't ...

For sneak, to me the most valuable thing is added mobility. Speed of movement, ability to jump/climb over low height obstacle, etc.

atomic venture Jun 1, 2026, 4:09 PM

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Speed boost during sneak is doable and good

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Maybe also you get invis 100% for 1 sec when you first start sneaking and there's no non-companion actor in close range

sick ice Jun 1, 2026, 4:12 PM

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there's a skyrim mod or mechanic that gave you a shoadw cloak effect on entering sneak

lean stump Jun 3, 2026, 10:00 AM

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Update on current ideas

📎 SkillPerks_Design_Updates2.md

lean stump Jun 4, 2026, 8:23 PM

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This structure for Speechcraft feels fun - values are not final, as always. Might shift around some of the benefits, like the 2nd half of the B chain benefits probably fit D chain better, then current D chain becomes part of B chain, but at reduced strength

copper owl Jun 9, 2026, 1:38 PM

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I wonder if a reverse blind effect could even work

lean stump Jun 9, 2026, 2:11 PM

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copper owl I wonder if a reverse blind effect could even work

Negative blind works the same as Fortify Attack

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Negative Sound is cool, it boosts your spell casting success chance

copper owl Jun 9, 2026, 2:13 PM

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I was thinking negative blind being applied by a perk to not only fortify your hit change but also be a buffer in case there's an item or spell that gives blind to the player.

lean stump Jun 9, 2026, 3:06 PM

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copper owl I was thinking negative blind being applied by a perk to not only fortify your h...

Hmm, that's actually an interesting shout

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Mechanically identical in 90% of scenarios

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But it's own flavour

copper owl Jun 9, 2026, 3:08 PM

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yeee

#Perks

Changes

OpenMW SkillPerk Mod Notes

Core Pattern

Design Goals

Good Perk Idea Checklist

Slot Notes

A Chain: Level 25, 50, 75, 100

B Chain: Level 50, 100

Level 75 Choice

Level 100 Mastery Choice