third person alt attacks (a ReAnimation plugin)

[polar pawn]

Did you use my fix, I posted, also I might be able to drag the time text keys out to make them slower

[warm pier]

Thank you both

[eternal dune]

Ah, so all sorts of casting animation replacers will be overwritten by this mod?

[ember nebula]

Exactly and the casting animation is one of the main parts of this mod.

[eternal dune]

Thanks, that solves a longstanding issue I had in my modlist 😅

[ember nebula]

@formal saffron thanks for the report

and thorough checking what's up there.

@formal saffron apart from the error, does something break?

[formal saffron]

I did not see any visual glitch

[warm pier]

My friend, I see that same error without spawning a skeleton archer, etc. No visual glitches or anything broken that I've noticed Failed to load 'animations/xbase_anim/xtwo_h_idle.nif': NIFFile Error: NiSkinInstance missing root or data when reading animations/xbase_anim/xtwo_h_idle.nif, using marker_error instead

[ember nebula]

@polar pawn any idea here?

[polar pawn]

I'll have a look tonight, looks like its looking for the wrong idle animation, actually check the idle Text Keys on the frames and make sure they are set to the right times

[polar pawn]

drop this in your animations guys see it it helps

[warm pier]

I can confirm the error is no longer present with this .nif. Thank you Olaf.

[glossy burrow]

any idea about getting this to work with FBA? https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/56625?tab=files

[glossy burrow]

The answer is to remove the movement.kf files from the 1st person folder in reanimation, then it works fine

[formal saffron]

this file removes the error.
@ember nebula should you update the mod?

[polar pawn]

Idk where he's been, I think life caught up with him and he's been really busy, Same with me, I've got a pile of animations I've been working on but I'm not ready to release.

[formal saffron]

Alright. Too bad the repo is not on the MOMW domain, I could have done the update myself

[formal saffron]

Thx for the fix anyway

[glossy burrow]

is there a way of removing the constant magic fx from the hands but keep the animations?

i mean, i know there are ways, whats the easiest 😅

i have greenhorn blender abilities

[glossy burrow]

Oh it's a setting in the menu 😂ffs.. thanks!

[narrow oyster]

sorry, but would you please re-send this invite?

[narrow oyster]

and one last question xD, what camera mod do you use?

[narrow oyster]

https://discord.gg/7RWPRm2d

found it through chatgbt lol

[narrow oyster]

and this was just dynamic camera effects and lock on

[minor ermine]

@ember nebula are you still working on this?

I still have this issue

I have no idea whats causing it, all I know is at one point it was fixed

[hot summit]

hack'n'slash morrowind

[ember nebula]

Haven't come back to it yet but I'll let you know once an update comes... still no idea what causes this for you

[minor ermine]

I made a blank install with only this mod and the issue is gone, it was somewhee on my side

now to find out where

[ember nebula]

Let me know when you find it. I'm still not sure what could cause that behaviour o.O

And why it vanished for a short time

[minor ermine]

I think I had some kinda messed up old animations files in one of my folders

[formal saffron]

I have a bug where Ajira dies but doesn't fall on the ground. She stands, the arms in the air.
It happens if I let her cast her summon.
I removed all other mods to confirm the bug.

If I kill her before she casts anything, there is no bug

@ember nebula

[formal saffron]

I tried with only these mods enabled:

content=Morrowind.esm
content=Tribunal.esm
content=Bloodmoon.esm
content=ReAnimation_API.omwscripts
content=third-person-alt-attacks.omwscripts

[ember nebula]

Thanks for the report @formal saffron. It'll be some time until I have time for this. Currently also no idea what could cause this.

[versed scarab]

Ajira's a female khajiit, so between one of those two descriptors, she probably doesn't have the animations attached.

There's definitely a hasAnimation check missing somewhere or another, but also, I think if you made some copies of the anims in either the female or beast directory, it'd be fine

[warm pier]

I can confirm seeing something similar with female khajifs

[odd quest]

Could umo support be added to the download page?

[odd quest]

Uhh.

I might of found a minor bug??

It's weird.... It could be something else but idk.

If I am in the magic stance and wait a few seconds without moving my character starts spinning.

@ember nebula

[calm sorrel]

Lmao

You spin me right round baby right round...

[warm pier]

I think it's related to beast races if I remember correctly

[devout grove]

Today I was thinking, what if one were to completely remove directional combat, putting those moves in sequence to an attack, like a forced combo of Chop>Slash>Thrust

[copper shard]

Can't be done right this second, at least not until 8101 is addressed. But what would it even do?

[devout grove]

It is just for the continuity of the Animations, for example the hand2hand, normally it goes jab if standing still, right if moving back or foward and hook if moving left or right. By making this sequence that would happen in any directional attack, the attack would always be jab> right> hook in sequence, appealing visually as a combo. If using together to this mod here, it could add a variation of the attack shown

[bitter skiff]

Also getting a problem with the beast races where I can't move forward in sneak mode with a spell equipped.

Just noting it in case it can be fixed some time in the future.

[radiant shadow]

I was musing about this a while back. I agree, I'd rather see the swing variety just by attacking normally, compared to the move direction logic that the game basically encourages you to turn off with always use best attack setting. People miss out on a lot of variety in the animations because of that

Plus, I'd like to see the feature of later TES games where multiple swings in succession have a logical follow-up from the opposite direction, so (for example) swinging a weapon to the left allows an immediate swing to the right https://streamable.com/yt0xqq

[copper shard]

https://gitlab.com/OpenMW/openmw/-/work_items/8101 this one prevents us from doing that right now. If it was working as expected (as it does on NPCs rn) - we could do all sorts of things. Starting with tying swing direction to mouse instead of keys, and then all sorts of combos

[devout grove]

This is what Third person Alt attack does already though, I think 🤔

[devout grove]

Wishing it is solved soon 🙏

[copper shard]

I think August meant sequence finishers - like "slash-slash-slash-thrust" or whatever

[devout grove]

Oooh I see

[copper shard]

re-animation and 3pAA do a lot of heavy lifting to break up animation monotone, but more can be done if we had the tools

[radiant shadow]

I really hope it can be fixed then. Looks like a longstanding issue

[copper shard]

My c++ is too rusty and was never that good in the first place, so can't do anything with it myself

[radiant shadow]

But yeah, right now MW mechanics basically work against the whole concept of a "combo," in that every swing must be charged for a full second for it to do anything but the minimum damage

[copper shard]

yeah that too

[radiant shadow]

Nah you're right, I'm running that mod but overlooked that feature. It just wasn't clear to me until I turned off "best attack" just now to actually see the chop and slash animations in action https://streamable.com/ajctof

So really it's just a matter of having a better system to let the player see these things instead of only the "best" ones

Because right now the "optimal" way to play is you only see one animation

[copper shard]

"optimal" but yeah. animations do help however - the alternating directions of strikes in 3pAA and re-animation are great

[radiant shadow]

Well by "optimal" we're talking a huge gulf in effectiveness between one swing and an immediate second swing. Taking this sword as an example, the difference in max values between the swing types isn't too bad, but a swing done immediately after the first will do basically no damage

I think one way to make it work within the current paradigm is to make the weapon's rated damage numbers scale based on fatigue and not how long you held the mouse button each swing.

[bitter skiff]

Is it possible to remove the idle animations that come with this mod? They don't match with the other animations and idles on the Morrowind Animation Overhaul Project discord which leads to the idles from this mod "snapping" in when used with those animations. It seems that for two handed weapons, bows, and crossbows, the idles are baked in somehow, so I can't seem to remove them.

[scarlet badge]

You can just delete the idle animation files you don’t want in animation folders. For example: animations/xbase_anim/xtwo_h_idle.nif
deleting this should give you back the vanilla two handed blade stance.

[bitter skiff]

Thanks. So, I was able to remove the idles for everything except bows with this. There is no separate bow idle and it seems baked into the bow attack nif/kf. Oh well!

On another note. I cannot move forward as a beast race in sneak mode when a spell is readied. I get stuck in place and do not move forward. Is this a known issue with this mod? I have isolated it to this mod as when I disable it, the problem goes away. Removing the "kna" folder of this mod also doesn't solve it. Putting it before ReAnimation does, but then the Alt attacks no longer work. Have tried overriding the sneak animation but to no avail.

[scarlet badge]

No idea sadly, especially since I don't play beast races usually. @calm sorrel Do you have an idea? I don't think pinging fallchildren would do much currently 😅

[calm sorrel]

No clue sry

[polar pawn]

You don't happen to have Zaps animations aswell do you @bitter skiff , his movements needs alot of repairs and seem to always cause folks issues, I'm currently working on a full smooth movement baseAnim replacer

[bitter skiff]

I removed all other animation mods and still got the problem with beast sneak with spell equipped not working. Seemed to be isolated to this mod in my testing.

Appreciate the follow-up and the work you are doing. King!

[polar pawn]

I'll try and recreate your issue if I can, you're using fallchildrens magic animations?

I didn't think he touched on beast but I'll look into it

[bitter skiff]

This mod has magic animations for the beasts also, yes. But deleting them still did not solve it in my testing, only disabling the mod. Strange! 🤔

Awesome, you are super helpful! Let me know how it goes!

[marble tendon]

does anyone know how to remove the spell vfx for 3rd person alt attacks? I tried to remove the mesh folder (containing only the spell vfx files). They're now gone but there's a giant white box whenever I am spellcasting 🙁

[minor ermine]

the camera movements here are great