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All I’ve seen so far are the explorers and acid spitters
a LOT of acid rockpox spitter things
I did get 3 salvage missions back to back for my first 3 critical corruption assignments
So are we getting updated today? I heard that PlayStation / consoles were supposed to be updated on the 22nd is that true?
Has anyone an Idea how to fix the connection lost bug when you try to join a friend on console
Happened at 7am eastern
Randoweisser is funny
Happened at 7:11 am actually
sooooo yall run into the stingtail yet
i feel like the cry is super loud
and the grabs weren't that bad compared to some of the outcry i've seen on reddit
the rockpox goo bomber is super cool i love it
I think we got the fixed version that doesn't toss you into the backrooms as often
our gunner had fear i just realized so maybe they just wandered off half the time
but the cry is soooo loud compared to other beasties that's what sussed me out
Stingtails are pretty vicious
Especially when they pull you into a horrible spot
My missions so far in s4 been ridiculous lol, have had a crate or helmet or machine event in almost very mission, if not then a nemesis or corruptor or prospector. Last one was nemesis AND prospector right outside the drop pod door
which one of you boys just did packrat + fat boy in an elf suit with me lol
rj250 fat boy*
I have only been pulled once by a stingtail, and that one time it was alone
Where is all the new people here? just started playing it and I want to party up, Im from PS5 here my ID ItzR3v0-
What is the top one (ik bottom one is corruptor)? I just need these 2 and a parasite
Think the bottom one is the corruptor
thats what i said
Im asking what the top one is
Lol someone just joined my server, killed the bulk detonator that was there, anf left
Rockpox Breeder prolly
Ohh yeah the nanocyde breeder
Close enough LOL
Ye i meant rockpox nanocyde breeder
I got finished with a mission yesterday where 4 Bulks showed up it was fun
Havent seen corruptor yet
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Finished both assignments, no corruptor
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Harold is rare boss, I’ve encountered him 3 times since the update, I’ve also played a lot lol, his range attack can do massive damage in haz5, you gotta be careful with him, gettin too close is a bad idea
Does anyone know why the ps5 version of the game has worse audio it sounds muffled especially when I'm in the caves and people say something I can never hear it clearly.... Switch back to PS4 version and it's clear as day across the cave completely I hear the dwarves lines it's odd because I like the ps5 version but why is nobody saying anything about this
In game not VC
I love the game this is literally my only issue rn n probably the only issue I ever really had
I Platinum the PS4 version just before season 4 started had 3 hours till drop and then switched to PS5 version and was welcomed with very odd audio bugg
Can someone tell me what's the name of that pix and how to get it?
I don’t trust it
I want pix, not nitro Xd
Ayo, anyone want to play? im a user rank 126 and am currently bored
Why did they make it so that if you stop repairing a mini mule u gotta start all over
It's a bug. They know about it but were not able to fix it in time. I'm sure it'll be fixed as soon as possible
Oh good-I was pissed cause I can't mostly build my turrets and leave them ready to finish
Also-is it just me or is the size of the chunk you take out of the terrain with your pickaxe bigger than it used to be?
Maybe check your audio settings and balance in ps5
I’ve played ps5 like 700hrs, no audio issues besides VC
It’s fixed on pc, the update just takes longer to get to ps bc it needs to go through approvals
Looking at the Steam patch notes, it appears it was fixed a day before Season 4 came to consoles, which is in line with them saying they weren't able to fix it in time for Season 4 on consoles.
It's not just the approvals, it's the fact that it was found and fixed on Steam with not enough time to make sure it was good to go on console versions. I'm sure, like usual, they'll get things all figured out with Steam and then roll it all into one nice, tidy patch before too long
Funniest shit I've ever seen
Hi!
Is there someone online to play now?
My PSN nickname is JHusky99 if you want to add me and play anytime
Welp.
I've already added like 50 DRG players. Why not
I'm out right now but eventually that is the plan.
Nice!
Not the issue all my other games sound good as usual it's so annoying
Only drg PS5 version is scuffed audio
PS4 version is perfectly fine
But I transferred all my progress
You tried the good old reinstall
I didn't fix it unfortunately... Guess I'm stuck with this mess
Will try

lookin to play some drg. haven’t played in a bit 
Does it have something to do with the “3D sound”
When I got switched to ps5 it sounded a lot different
I got used to it but I convinced myself that it was just one of the ps5s features
It also might not be related to this at all
If it is I’m pretty sure you can turn off 3D sound in ps5 settings
Hmm. I've only ever played DRG on a PS5 so maybe I have it and I don't even know
I don't have the 3d audio on
i got him first mission
That’s how RNG works, sometimes you get fatboy as your first overclock, some times you get it after 100 hours
Funny i got special powder 1st overclock and now harold on 1st mission
And i also have fatboy
And i have little over 150hrs on drg
Buy lottery tickets
Harold is too good at the game
Des français ?
Anyone else is having their game crash constantly?
I haven't experienced any crashes this update
Do you play ps4 by any chance?
I’m on ps5. Had some games were I couldn’t reload, deposit or resupply
You could upload your save data then delete the local save on the console it's self then boot up drg then get tutorial done then If I remember correctly you should be prompted to restore previous save file that could solve crashing problem and soft locks maybe
PS5, about 1300 missions and not sure I’ve ever had an actual crash?
That happens for sure on very rare occasion
At least once or twice I couldn’t shoot
I dont have ps+ but when i loaded up the game i can play with other players? A glitch?
Nah
I've had maybe one crash on PS5 DRG and it may be because I was running the game for a week straight without closing it.
Bro💀
Québécois pas français
Ps4 player here
Never had a crash either
But i do have 8 fps for 10 seconds sometimes when i start a mission
I do hate lag spikes when new players/meteor/meteor fragments/hacksy/resupply pod/nanite bomb dispensers arrive
why do people keep calling frame drops "lag" though
lag is internet based, frame drops is performance
but yeah, the frames do drop dramatically at certain events
ok, so i noticed something very strange yesterday. I've had serious connection issues for a LONG time now. i switched from cable to wifi and the issues seem to be gone
how trippy is that lol
oT
I did a deep dive in 37:22! I got da achievement!
Rock and Stone! 



o7
I've STILL not seen Jet Boots, Harold (👍) and Rockpox Breeder
Also parasite
Omg
I now have harold
I had JB twice in a row ln
I’ve seen corruptor twice, my first mission in s4 had him and a lot of stuff
This was like my 10th mission
mostly been doing solo h5 in s4 so far waiting for this new router, been way tougher than s3 imo
I said this when i was loading into 10th mission
it did take me about that many to see a septic spreader
Really? I got that in my 1st or 2nd one
their behavior is bugged right now afaik tho, think ps shipped with the bugged version Pc has rn for septics where they mostly just walk up to you
yeah it took forever to see one for some reason. haven’t seen a rockpox breeder… many spitters tho
Same with breeder and spitters
I've seen everything a lot except for breeder 
Naw brother they're using invisible jet boots
I've seen jetboots 3 times, I saw the big armored rockpox thing once in a mission testing a new driller gun (gun was kinda bad)
The boomstick oc change got me acting
Nah the picture got taken while they all fell down from the jet boots overheating
The shockwave damage ignores armor, right?
I love when a cave leech has me by the beard and is eating my nose off while bosco sits in the ceiling staring at the leech (who is currently chewing on my nasal cavity) NOT DOING ANYTHING
It’s explosive damage so it ignores armor and does more damage to mactera
Perfection
How does one go about turning off the aim slow when the crosshair passes an ally or interactible object?
I thought it was aim assist bug but there isnt an option for that to begin with
That’s kinda weird
Lemme go sift through the controls and see if there’s anything
Mactera spawn get absolutely screwed, the 220 exp damage with the 100% exp weakness puts the damage at nearly 2x the health of a haz 5/4 player scaled spawn. Tri-jaw barely die, with 20~ damage of overkill
Just like deleting pesky brundles
True dat
The shield oc for the plasma is really good
On haz 3. Keeping shields up on anything above is muy difficult
Yeah the buff definitely feels pretty good
Funny thing, using an IFG and going pellets instead of ammo let’s you two shot a haz 5/4 prae
Yyeah it doesn’t look like a thing that can be turned off, my sense is just high enough I don’t really notice the slowdown of looking at stuff
Season 5, it is
I haven’t played around with any of the new Scout stuff cause I don’t play him, but I’m glad he’s getting some love lmfao
He feels rather saucy right now
Awesome to hear!
Gunner is too, with rocket barrage lmfao
The plasma burster buff is my personal favorite
Oh yyeah I completely forgot about that one LMAO
I’ll use em this mission, Dreddy time :P
I'm having trouble, cant play with my friends in ps4
Idk if there's a way to fix this
Ps5 to ps4?
Ps4 to ps4
I was able to play ps5 to ps4 but we had to unfriend

And join via in-game server list
So you guys have played together before meaning you know how.
So during which step is it messing up
So you guys send out the invites.
One of you accepts and then it tries to connect and fails?
Does it have an error code or anything?
But we can join someone else's server
Yep
It has an error but IDK it rn
I would have to check when I try to play next time with my friends
Well. I'm not an expert but if you have more specific details maybe someone more knowledge will read this and then help you

You ever had a mission name live up to its name? I played a mission called endless killing (8egg - rival press) and the killing never stoped. Stuff was stressfull
what's up with your router? Am experiencing a bit of issues with joining and am wondering if I need new internet hardware or settings
Was the OEM AT&T fiber router. Been too lazy to get a 3rd party. But my new one came in today and it’s all much better. I also got a powerline kit coming so I can run Ethernet thru the electric wiring and get hardwired that way
I did do some port forwarding on the router as well, not sure it made a different but whatever. Open NAT in COD now. My main issue was I was on the 5ghz band of my old router, which was pretty far away. Had worked fine until now, but for whatever reason the signal was too poor now. Switching from 5gh to 2.4 took me from 1300ms to 10ms ping
kinda insane that people need to get new hardware to play DRG. these connection issues have been going on for like 12 weeks now
i switched from a ethernet cable connection to my ps5 to wireless and somehow that fixed the issues for me. it was nearly unplayable before that. constant joining issues
i know it sounds bizar, i have no idea either how it fixed my issue
wifi can cause alot of issues when gaming. i also play path of exile, and it was completely unplayable on 5g, you get dc'ed every 5-10min
seems strange that switching TO wifi fixed it for you, but there is probably a reason
Had nothing to do with drg
I had issues across all games and devices on my 5ghz band
I’m going to need to try this also, been unable to connect to 90% of the servers I join
Just done it there and I’m now joining games , weird
the problem is that the network stuff is very complicated to figure out on consoles, due to the extra networking layer, so its hard to get wiser on the issue
I was joining games fine last night and I haven't changed from being wired, very weird that switching TO wireless changed things for people
I just kill the game and restart if i failed to join in 5 seconds
Reboots faster than it does resolve the network issue after failing to join
not sure if I’ve had better joining success since going open NAT, I usually host
I have not failed to join a single match since then though. Probably only done 5-6 though so not a huge sample
unless some weird vlan stuff or electrical issues, cable issues Id be surprised if not coincidence
If stuff like that happens to me I usually blame it on the Internet
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Knew it wasn't drg, play on pc, both on same wifi, don't have the issues on pc.
No need to jump to conclusions, man.
what are you even talking about man. I'm just stating my experience. all my other games work perfectly fine, DRG didn't for like 10+ weeks. i switch to wifi and suddenly i have a 100% connection rate
how is that jumping to conclusions.
the connection issues have been widespread for avery long time now
i played drg on PS since release day, there was never an issue. then all of a sudden it was almost impossible to join people and many people told me the same.
Have we gotten the Drak TEF overclock buff on PS yet? Its not in the patch notes but we did get a patch that was newer than that one was on PC.
Coud i inspire somone to play with my lazy ass?
I assume so but not sure
What does the equipment terminal show for its stats? That changed with the buff I know
Me calmly waiting for my weekly assignment mission to change off of being an 02 modifier
If i cant do Carl woud be proud today i blow up a Church
It takes playstation a few days to approve a patch, so the version we have now will be older than you're thinking
o2 is fun
he’s going by the version number
it is higher. assuming they use the same versioning for both systems though…
for the last patch of s3 they did have the same build number tho
What I mean is, we got a patch on Playstation fixing things that a PC patch fixed AFTER the patch that buffed TEF, but the TEF buff is not listed in the Playstation patch, so it seems odd that a newer patch got approved for Playstation before the TEF patch was approved/the TEF patch was not included in the PS patch bundling together a couple PC patches
Terminal equipment doesnt explicitly state the added heat damage numbers, just says "transfer heat" and "adds fire damage and heat". No indicator for how much heat per stack :/
Yoooo
Iirc it did list it before and when they added the buff they removed it from the description
That’s what I was looking for
No build numbers on the debut season update… it’s possible that the ps version shipped with the tef buff included?
Does anyone know if resetting progress bar when trying to 99% most press and hold is intended or is that a bug?
Are you on the latest patch?
Todays patch allegedly fixed it
Alright was just updated I'm about to check
Are the servers down? A couple of my freinds and i were hopping on and had network issues.
Try resetting applications... same thing seems to happen to me
K thanks
did go back and check the before after terminal descriptions when they buffed TEF, the one we have on PS is the one for post-buff so it got changed
Stands to reason they changed the values too then
Yep its fixed
That makes sense, used to incorrectly state 5 heat and fire damage added, now it doesnt specify, so if they fixed the description stands to reason they added the buff too.
Just ran it. It’s definitely feeling like old levels of strong
When you maintain the top end it’s stronger than it used to be
Thanks for testing. Havent had time to go test myself. Good to know not everything gets added to the PS patch notes moving forward.
Yeah possible it was included in the “fixed the scaling for TEF”
just fixed it with the same values already in PC
Comedy has been achieved
Ayyyyyyy
But no 69?
Best I can offer is a B-
Yyeah lemme just 100x my level real quick to get the 69 on the end lmfao
I'll be waiting ⏳
If you don't finish... Management will be re-evaluating your employment 🔫
The HARDCORE pc players are at like what, 6-7k at MOST? Yyeah ez weekend endeavor lmfao
I'm like 300 something so
Time to plan out my red levels so that I can be level 420 forever by only playing my main class and not promoting.

Hardcore or just longtime. Game has been there way longer
Lol I can't do that. 25 drives me crazy and I often have multiple approaching promotion at any moment. I'm constantly trying to balance normal missions, weekly and promotions
Normal Old Graybeard: level 4000
Ascended Graybeard: level 420 x Infinity
🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿
Ah sweet, I've reached ascension lol
And yet, these stingtail tossing me around like an intern greenbeard 😂😂
I'm constantly reminded 🤣
That's why I love it
Missions that just say "fk u, die" are my favorite
.... Maybe I need a therapist 🤔
Lol my team was doing that in the EDD today. Literally my first game all season and I've been on vacation for a week. It was glorious chaos
I actually felt the "oh shit" during these swarms
10 outta 10, would botch again
Can't wait to see what the spreader does to the dynamic. Curious about those "pools" they leave
Bro I did a solo haz 5 dotty mission earlier, and the spreaders were actually quite a problem! Surprisingly long range, behind cover, on the ceiling, etc!
You saved dotty?
No B)
I did that once and tried to play to a mission, and I legitimately felt kinda sick for actually a while lmfao
SPEEDRUNNING that DELICIOUS lovely SCRIP
Scrip % WR
Still only 500 extra credits per tier though lmfao
196868191500 credits
Now spend the next year tipping Lloyd with them
3000 points barrel hoop 0 barrels
Just throw mugs for like an hour real
Rock & Stone
Rock and Stone 🤝
Haven't played for a while. Time to get back and get some ranks
Hell yyeah brother, get those numbers up 💪
This game runs like shit on ps4 😦
Hey, im new here but ive already played drg for a while but im kinda getting bored and looking for teammates so if anyones interested im reachable
im going to use scout ;D
just had a couple of those secret haz6 rounds whew
I just got done, gotta get some work done lol
does that mean no?
Having this same issue. Not sure what to do. Have rebooted system, router. I was hoping there was some known issue that was in the process of being fixed but seems like there is not.
i never had this problem
are you playing with a ethernet cable connected to the playstation? if so try switching to wifi and see if that fixes the problem
i know it sounds insane, but it somehow fixed it for me and mutliple friends of mine
my connection rate went from barely playable to 100%
do you play with your playstation connected to wifi?
yeah
Can I get a good setup for the thunderhead. I got a OC that's pretty good I think
Don’t say NeuroTox Don’t say NeuroTox lmfao
Wait is neurotoxin bad.. shit I thought it was the one that got buffed recently xD
it’s widely considered overpowered
Oh.. Good. I guess lol. I genuinely wasn't sure
Yyeah I didn’t mean to scare ya LOL. It’s just…INCREDIBLY good is all. So good in fact, I have never used it, and refuse too. But that’s just me, play the game however you wish brother 🤝
I'll probably swap it out now and then, it seemed awful against the caretaker thing with the data rack. I honestly prefer the lead storm
Yyeah leadstorm is nice, though call my crazy, but I love bullet hell lmfao
🤔 what do you mean?
Bullet Hell for the minigun, with the build 32221. It’s a crowd control minigun that’ll stun EVERYTHING. And then you run your secondary as some sort of single target, and you’re golden! Personally I run Mole on the Coilgun, with I think it’s 32213? I’d have to check my build to make sure though
I use carpet bomber to help clear my teammates and the swarm they totally intentionally let get close
Yyeah I only use carpet on AC, with the mag size and high rof. It’s what feels the coolest, so that’s what I use lmfao
Hosting DD:
#lfg-playstation message
UPDATE: complete
lol just had a hell of a mission with some lads
400 morkite h5, prospector, meteor, random dread, cargo crate, helmet, specialty swarms, 2 bulks and a machine event lol
I'll have to check out that minigun build. I don't remember what OC i'm running on it
That’s a lot of levels in that lobby
none of you are even legit players and boosted
lol
that's some next level cringe stuff my guy.
You can see my twitch if im boosted
bro, i have close to 450 hours in the game now. and i played since day one. I'm like 280 now
and you're supposed to be 1310
You are a casual
fine, lets entertain the idea that you didn't boost. how many hours did you play daily since release?
i'm gonna stay sceptical either way homie. but it seems suspicious
yeah im not gonna click on links in discord bro
i don't wanna come across as an asshole but you have to to understand that looks fishy af. anyway
carry on
So uhhhh, its just a twitch link. You can tell from that url….
But the issue is i doubt thats a legit lvl 1300 on console
Thats 4chan levels of degeneracy playtime
If you no lifed the game, possible to be 2k I guess but idk the numbers behind that
Let’s add it all up:
• DRG came to PS4/5 in January 2022
• Individual in question is 1310
• Claims to not be a “casual”
The only way I think they could’ve done to get to 1310 was to play at least 23 hours a day and take a 1 hour nap between each session. Which would be absolutely ridiculous and very unrealistic.
54 days Susge
Anyone else experienced the glitch where the game won’t let you have different builds and will auto paste everything to the same one
I’ve played with a good amount of 1k+?
Wtf is boosting
your average mission time is crazy tho, you musta been speedrunning hard
I got a small 300 mb uldate today does anyone know what that was about cause its not on the playstation patch notes
maybe some glitch was patched or something that small
patch notes are there now
Anyone else noticing a drop in performance after the update? Normally the game is at a stable 60fps but after the update it was more like 40fps. And my ps4 buddies had 20fps.
Todays update?
im still at stable 60fps
I think Torque’s level is possible, I’m just real skeptical. Like you’d have a speedrunner gamer to get that high, in that amount or time
can you even cheat on ps?
Yyeah, an ex-friend sent me a picture of someone like level 12k+ lmao
Need some people for me deep dive
Anyone up to play with a newbie?
Who ever didnt rock and stone back...i have a very specific set of skills. I will find you. And i will do absolute nothing to you. I will stare at you, with malicious intent. Until you rock and stone back. Only then i will bring you to your home
I will order a Leaf Lover’s Special and then leave your lobby, leaving you with those drinks…forever
Finally got the Car Pool trophy! 🏆 🎉
Noticed only I had to get 5 kills to pop the trophy for myself, as long as everyone is riding.
Did it with a random beer too!
Only need 1 more trophy for platinum!
.
Now find all 200 feathers
And collect every single block in Minecraft
That would take an eternity!
Day 1 of asking for accuracy in statistics
Anyone else having problems joining games?
Just gotta promote Scout and I've promoted all of my characters once
Scouts actually really fun
Since I've started playing him now with like 100+ hours of experience he's not that hard to learn
Indeed, i get UKNWN error every time i try
Heyyyyyy haiiiiii :3333
Finally got the Car Pool trophy ! 
Congrats! 🎊
It’s going to be a grind but I want the platinum too !
I finally got the legendary team throphy
Try switching to wifi if you can. I always have to nowadays if I want to play. Just DRG though 🤷
I got on a harvester with 3 other players and it popped when I got 5 kills. I threw a grenade and then took a few shots. We were using a randowiser beer too so I was so surprised when it popped !
It made me wonder if they changed it or something..
We need 2 dwarvs to help us with car pool trophy, any one wanna help ?
I Can helo
Help
But im new
@edgy talon
Anyway someone help mě with this game ? Im new in it
I seem to have found a bug.
I went on a mission like this. And pay attention to where it is circled.
And this is how I am after I finished.
To be honest, I don't know why it happens this way. But as I understand it is a bug.
And maybe it's playstation problem.
I had that sleeve issue too lmfao
For me it was when I joined someone’s lobby, I lost my sleeves LUL
is this real
Ive been having connection issues like nine times out of ten the past weeks
like i literally cannot play with randoms anymore, which kind of sucks
Im starting to suspect these error codes are just random gibberish
This also happened to me yesterday -- I noticed the change during the mission. I figured I had accidentally hit the sleeveless button at some point.
Oh I’ve never seen that
I only get the OSIcomp ever
I moved last month and changed ISP so I assumed it had something to do with that, but every other online game works flawlessly
Its only DRG that throws a shitfit and refuses to join most games
checked the NAT, says its Type 2
idk
@thin halo i have same issue, i played year without any issues, then did come ps5 firmware update and i get UNKN error almost all time, all other online games work
It's also very hard to join a lobby for me sometimes
Yea same

I too have these joining issues, i literally cant play the game 😦
.....
We spent 32 minutes just setting up the pipelines
There were 3/4 GLYPHID OPRESSORS AND 1 BULK DETONATOR
ON HAZ 3 KEEP IN MIND
Am I the only one who is encountering issues with the servers?
I have some as well I can't invite my friend in my lobby (we both play on ps5)
Some dude just rage kicked me because he got grabbed by a mactera since he left the objective lmao
Hi, me and my friend are trying to play together but when we try to join, a message appears: "connection lost" anyone have a solution?
Do you use a wired or WIFI connection
@delicate cobalt connecting my phone
Probs just an unstable connection from using your phones hotspot i’m guessing
@delicate cobalt but my friend is on Wifi and can't join anyone
Yeah a hotspot won’t help much
Have you all gotten tested for internet connection speed?
Might just be a bad wifi connection, is it just DRG they experience bad connections?
Yeah. I'm also curious to know if its just a DRG specific problem or not.
Definetly test this
Thank you for your help, I will wait for my wifi connection then
Could be a variety of things, I couldn’t connect to a single game on DRG until I switched to Wifi from Ethernet which was a very odd one
Luckily my room is right next to our router so I'm good there lmao
But either way wired works better all the same.
Could be a nat type thing aswell, connection issues are brutal because how broad they are
Yeah. I never really had problems that bad so I haven't looked into types like that
Anyone want to do a deep dive never done one
Does anyone else get problems connecting to games?
I'm free to play
switch from a ethernet cable to wifi and your joining rate should be 100%
i've been doing a little "research" these past weeks and somehow people who play with ethernet cable to their playstation all have huge connection issues. we all switched to wifi and we're back to 100% join rate
dont ask me how this is even possible but that's the solution
Ok thank u 😄
you currently experience issues and use an ethernet cable yes?
Yes
try switchign to wifi and come back to confirm if this fixed it for you.
another person confirming this would be nice. but out of the 5 people we tested this with the past weeks we had a 100% success rate suddenly
we could barely join ANY games before that
Yep, will definitly try
cool
anyone wanna chill and xp farm?
Yea
@young compass my ps name is in my bio
Ok
It works 100% now, like 10/10 matches no problems
good to hear man. so weird though
ethernet connection = 85% join fail rate, wifi = 100% join rate
how in the hell is that even possible
@raw garden
Wow. I've even messaged Bjorn directly a week ago but he never responded. The game is literally unplayable for me for over a month because of the issue. But if switching to wifi will make this game playable, then I'll go with that. Ironic that ethernet is the less reliable connection right now.
I haven't played season 4 at all because it's so frustrating. But glad to see there seems to be a workaround.
I'm going to connect to wifi and report back.
With ethernet, I hadn't played the game for a few days, as soon as I launch game after a fresh install, tried to join, fail, then that "UNKN" error comes up over and over. The interesting thing is, if you check the PS5 UI, it showed you'd be in the session of the person you joined.
please note, most of the time, messaging me directly doesnt work, as i get a ton of messages so i rarely check them
Understandable. Makes sense. As a person in IT, this is as frustrating as it it interesting to me, to try and understand what the root issue here is. So I'm willing to test and get to the bottom of this.
Switched to wifi. Was able to join first try.
Well, this is promising.
its certainly an interesting find
Btw. I use Verizon Fios. If this information is good to know.
thanks for the info man. we're all trying to figure this one out 😅
yeah we all struggled with connection issues for a very long time as well. we just couldn't figure out what the issues was.
we switch to wifi and we all have 100% join rate lol
Yeah. I was able to join no issues with wifi now. Thanks for the discovery. Ping is worse now of course but better than nothing.
I had the join issue for a long time and never had my ps5 on Ethernet. majority of users probably on wifi
I’m Ethernet now with no issues
Not to say it’s impossible. Only thing comes to mind would be versions of the WLAN device driver
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I have a pretty consistent join rate for games since I started.
On PS5 and Wifi but my system is like within ten meters of the router.
Though this info probably doesn't help.
Hey. Maybe if my stuff ends up not working someday I can join the broken and busted club

Ethernet for life 😎
Except when I need to join DRG games, then I use wifi 😂
someone tryna help me not suck at the game
If you think you suck at the game, try reducing the Hazard Level to something manageable until you get some experience under your belt, some weapon upgrades purchased, and some perks unlocked.
Hazard Level 3 will be a challenge for many people when first starting out; it's certainly not impossible, but it is fairly tough. But with a few upgrades and perks, the higher Hazard Levels become easier to tackle. Even so, the random nature of mission elements and enemy spawns can make a Hazard 3 sometimes feel like a Hazard 4, or even a Hazard 2, so don't judge your performance based on one mission's results
well lowk i was saying that as a joke and sorta asking for someone to grind w me but thanks for the help ily😽
It is the only help I can provide, so I went with it 😁
Good luck with the grind! Rock and Stone!
rock and stone🫡
Haha, I’m glad there’s a temporary solution. I probably won’t bother switching between wifi and ethernet every time I want to play, but hopefully the devs know where to look now
Looking forward to trying out the new content when the game is fixed
Since drg is the only multiplayer game I'm juggling in my backlog, I'm fine with sticking with wifi unless I'm needing to download more games. DRG is no longer my "primary" game. I still enjoy it a few hours a week. I get not playing a game that isn't fixed. I'd have no tolerance for other games with game breaking issues. But I know GSG really does try to fix the game and the game is treated much better than most live service games. So I'm more tolerant of the bugs and issues.
Yeah definitely, that's why I usually buy whatever cosmetic packs they put out, I find their model of free battlepass + content really refreshing (especially compared to the hellscape that is modern gaming)
Big fan
But I also play other stuff so I'll probably just hold off until its fixed
Are the supporter packs for PlayStation bugged? I can select them but when I view the product nothing loads
They are bugged when accessing them through the store on console, but you can use the PlayStation website (or perhaps a mobile app, is that a thing?) to complete the transaction
Oh so it’s a known issue
Yeah... not sure if it's something that affects everyone or just a sometimes thing, but folks have mentioned it a few times and said that the website workaround works
That worked, thanks mate
You're welcome! Rock and Stone!
Update for the joining issues... the WiFi trick doesn't work for me anymore. Its now the same as with ethernet 😦
If you haven't yet, I'm curious if giving your router a reboot will change anything
Yeah i just did and it works again 😂
Pretty much all tech can benefit from a reboot every now and again 
Yeah i tried the good old playstation reboot, but not the router reboot 😂
But thanks sir 🫡
You're welcome! Rock and Stone!
Stone!
It’s very likely a coincidence imo lol
Idk i tried to join like 15 times and it didnt work, after the router reboot it instantly worked 🤷♂️
general rule: don't put the router in a hot room.
It's getting hotter as the summer comes…
oh I mean the WiFi vs eth
Oh ok
Is there any way to get mods on ps4?
There is no mod support on the console versions. Mod support is only available on the Steam version. If there is some way to alter a console version, it wouldn't really be appropriate to discuss here as it likely requires bypassing console protections
Oh ok thanks
Is season 4 out yet 😂😂😂
Yeah for a while now

Need a fourth anyone want to join?
Yo We need a fourth btw I’m with @abstract garnet
What a coincidence
I'm a generic human too
I forget that green beards ar e simple creatures
Y’all still need one?
@iron fractal ya
Ok add me Dref-24
Yesss
Oh ye there was also a prospector
Oh now THAT'S RARE
My first game of the season i got a data cell building that you need to hack (the building, not the parasol thing)
Thats also rare right
I don't even remember seeing one for months so I guess it is lmao
Rivals stuff has been pretty rare since the POX has arrived

Maybe the Trophy Hunter icon inspired the face of the stingtail? Pretty interesting observation.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Also ⟟ wish there was an easier to get frameworks
I’m trying to do ⏃ load out with scale brigade on scout but it don’t have any scale brigades for his secondaries
Wait can you get them from core infusers?
⟟ don’t think so
Anyone else has trouble joining to matches that are either "medium" or "far" length away (sometimes even close). The loading wheel just runs circles forever and forces you to close the game
I only have my search set to close tbh
If anybody needs a fourth or third dm me
Is the trophy "it's My party" still winnable? I done a lot of missions as host in public and I still haven't got the trophy yet Soo I don't know at the moment it's glitched or not hmmm it sucks too I'm Soo close to platinum the game
Need a fourth
I can help fellow Fortnite cat 🙌🙌
Omg jet boots are so handy in low grav
I have played DRG for a while on my PlayStation and want to move to PC is there anyway I can transfer my data so I don’t reset my progression
Except manual file replacement and conversion to PC format, not really.
Alr thx
You can edit the save on pc
is there a way where i can download my data from PS5 and edit in the save?
no but you can just recreate it
oh ok thanks for the help
Hosting EDD:
#lfg-playstation message
🐮
I decided to unlock haz5
how hard haz4 assignment is?
If you are not used to and played only haz2.. very hard.. if you played haz3.. quite hard
I just finished the first one
elimination with Harold and died like 10 times 
I have played haz4 less than 10 only to get Employee Of The Month
and yes, It's a lot harder than haz3
It’s a few more bugs aye lmfao
no definitely a lot than S3. I think wave manager is still broken as haz3 in S4 also spawns more than S3
Guys can any1 help with the car pool trophy? Last one needed for platinum
hi im free
IIRC ride on the harvester with 4 dwarvs and kill some bugs
ok, I send you a friend request
@frosty bay tomorrow I'll be back from my trip and I can help u with that
I need that trophy too Xdd
finished the assignment!
and I will go back to haz 2~3 
I barely managed to unlock haz5 but i don't wanna play in haz5 lmao
It can be fun.. but it will escalate quickly ^^
I'd say haz3 vs haz4 is awareness and positioning and then haz4 to haz5 is pace.
Keep moving, thats the key ^^
Add me when u can. We tried it last night. Only one player got it 😂

Invite send
Anybody want to help get the carpool achievement
We've got 2 people so we only need 2 more
Give ur psn and can help ya
@edgy talon it's super-quing
Yeah happens sometimes
<@&296918282403840000>
Anyone to play
<@&296918282403840000> another ping just to be sure
@frosty bay hey, you already got the trophy?
Nope
Gonna try again now
If you still need people, I can help you
I have already added you. Im ElyxRiM_
I sent you a FR now
Ok0
Who here is down for some mining
All my progress is gone did they do a reset
Did you clear your save data?
Nope just only deference is I'm using a different ps4
As far as I'm aware, PlayStation doesn't have cloud saves by default. I believe you have to have PS Plus to have access to cloud saves AND then you have to turn on automatic cloud saves. (I could be wrong, but that's what I've gathered.)
If you have all of that, you might be able to check the in-game Options menu, select Save Menu, then select Restore Save. That accesses the cloud saves on other versions of the game, and I can only assume it does on the PS versions as well
I'm thinking it's the PS plus cause I don't have it thanks though
Yeah, that would do it, unfortunately. But your progress is still available on the original PS4 you were playing on. Not sure what options exist to transfer save data between consoles though
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You would need ps+ believe it is the only way
Memory cards are a thing of the past, huh? There's no option to use USB flash drives or something?
I mean I guess. But at that point you might aswell as just use the original playstation
Good point. If the original is inaccessible for whatever reason it's a moot point
USBs are how you can restore a PS4/PS5. So implying it's "old" technology is not exactly the best thing to say. Sure there's other options, but if you're in an area with no internet, or you have an outage, which I'm actually in right now, USBs are a life saver.
Verizon Fios has had an outage in my area since Thursday
Fucking blows
Thankfully I have a mobile hotspot so I get online for 2 minutes. Upload saves then get back offline.
Been playing Final Fantasy 7 remake so I don't need to be online.
No DRG for me, for now lol.
g
Nah imma rock and stone 
late - you can definitely transfer save data with usb. That’s usually how you do back ups for speedrunning and save scumming etc
It took me a longggg time to realize that playing missions alone but with friends able to join didn’t satisfy the damn trophy for solo mission completions. 🤦♂️ Down to 100 solo missions and carpool trophies.
I’m level 428 or so. There’s always something to learn. 😅
Do you have a driller build? DPS, fire or frozen
Down for mining if anyone is up today
Ps4 player
When i tried to load up the game right now it crashed which doesn't happen often but its fine
I tried to load up again and then it told me my save data was corrupted
I closed the game and tried to load it again and it didn't give me any message this tims
Should i be worried?
U propably have problems with your hard disk
If that gonna happen more often
The only soultion is to get new one
Look for SSD
I’ve seen it happen to a couple people recently
You can always back you save up to ps+ cloud and/or usb drive
the save file is entirely local (unless you back it up), not stored in DRG servers or anything
Can I ask a question
Show ur question to us @fringe tartan
If someone has you block can you join them
@fringe tartan I googled this and it looks like yes
All blocking on PSN seems to do is stop them from messaging you or seeing if you are online
Is anyone having server problems in this game? Can never join any server anymore.
All I get is ' joining'.... whatever group I try to join.
Then a "OJSigComp signaling time out CRNA"..
0 issues in all the other games i play.
Rebooted, reinstalled.. still the same 😞
Anyone else get this or know a fix? 🤔
It seems to alternate between this and "Server no longer exists" with a similar error code
Good news is, you dont have to dig deep to find a solution for consoles
Bad news, that also means there are virtually no solutions so this is purely up to the devs
Ah well, enough other games or solo in the meanwhile I guess. 😆
Thnx for responding 😊
I saw someone on here mention that switching to wifi fixed this issue so I tried it and anecdotally it seems to have fixed it for me too. Give that a try if you haven’t already
switch from ethernet cable to wifi. me and our group are from the benelux area as well and that fixed all our connection issues.
Me and my friend can't join each other for so reason
Yes, you can keep your progress when moving to the PS5. You can either by use the PS4 version on your PS5 console, which will allow you to move back and forth between the two consoles whenever you like; or if you use the PS5 version it's a one-way transfer of your save data.
You can transfer your save data by opening the in-game Options menu, selecting Save Menu, then selecting Restore Save
I just got the game and am looking for a group to play with anyone willing tonight?
I could definitely help out
sure why not
whaats your username?
mine is omcben
Hosting DD:
#lfg-playstation message
Damn wtf happened
I've literally had to Uninstall this because I can't even play with others.
The ps5 edition doesn't work at all
Anyone got external storage for ps5?
Yeah
hm, is it actually this game's bug that use of Ethernet cable makes connection unstable?
Im using it and having weird high ping lagging but I can't tell if it is the bug or just the cable/ps4 is deteriorated
when i used cable i couldnt join anyone but with wlan i dont have any problems
/on ps5 tho
Hosting EDD:
#lfg-playstation message
one guy hosted a room with haz2
I and other relativity low-level players gathered
then the host suddenly changed the difficulty to haz4
the mission failed with no wonder (someone even started the difficult phase without being ready)
then the host kicked everyone
the dwarf life™️ in a nutshell 

no, I have had much less issues since switching to eth
We're rich
I exclusively use ethernet and I'm fine
Same
Should be able to download your cloud save via PS (click start button in the ps menu while on the DRG Game icon). Don't start the game till you download otherwise you have to restart the game anyway.
Download that file if you have one, then start the game and once in the space rig open the pause menu and go to the last tab (should be something about save settings or something).
It should immediately offer you to use the save file it finds or you can select it manually in the menu
Only works if you had your game saves uploaded
Hmm then sadly your previous save is gone
Sorry mate
😥
Oh wait cool lol
I hit enter as your reply showed up 🤣
Good luck and have fun
Anyone available for team play? If this isn’t the place to ask can anyone point me to the right spot?
is there any way to get linear or linear like sensitivity?
turn acceleration to 0 I thinks
It’s either 0 or 100
I wish they’d increase max sens one day. I need to complain about it more. At least on the motion controls. I run max sens on motion and stick and it’s still very low
I can help out brother, no problem 🤝
No problem bro! And yyeah these work great!
Like wtf
This game
BRO HOW
This is the 3rd time in a row
Waiiitttt theres more then one button 💀 im stupid
Lmfao
I haven’t seen that that often though, so I guess you’re real unlucky LOL
Still can't believe I never check for the other sides lol
Well they don’t have waypoints like that one does, so it’s completely understandable bro
Yea ig the first time I saw it was this morning never seen it ever before so yk didn't think about the other sides lol
Hey just hoping I don't have drift when you guys walk forward with out turning does it also sometimes turn you to the left or right it doesn't happen alot so not sure if I have stick drift because sometime games can be buggy and be the problem just checking
Also I don't have this problem with other games ik in some game it can be worse but I'm not sure
No need to worry about drif if you all have 2 gut wreckers before a mission
Lol 😂
Me and a few others did a drunk hazard 4 the other day
I'm just taking apart to try and fix it
Ok I gotta try that
We did it somehow ... my drunken scout somehow pulled through and saved them
God
Honestly it was a mess tho haha
Had 2 bulks spawn back to back
And then Harold was just being spider man
Tbh ... being max drunk was enough to make that shit hard af
My build requires me to hit weakspots

Lol you definitely had "fun"
I've given up the scout life.. im a full time gunner since I got big bertha
Fair enough
Yea the shield is fun to have from time to time
Bro wtf is making then drift no dirt at all
Yea just cleaned it gonna give it a try if still a no ill replace those
Also I would make sure you get the right ones
There are apparently 2 different types
I could link a vid if I'm able to find it
Yea I think ik a place
Think I fixed it I just did alot of laps around the station no drift I saw it a few times do a small movement like super small for a second or im going insane
Didnt fix it but this is the shit I'm dealing with
Stupid how it does and doesn't happen often only happen at the worse times and it only on deep rock by what I can tell or its just super bad on deep rock
Does drg have deadzone settings?
Let me get on again and check
You could maybe make the sticks less sensitive to small movements and avoid some inputs
It should all games usually have it now a days
Yh
Ill try it
Turned
inner dead zone=100%
Aim sensitivity=0%
So far its fine
Thanks for the help
Hey does anyone want to have some fun in drg such as deep dives and stuff just want to chill and have a good time if you want to play with me lmk lol
Stick input decided to start slowing down at random times
I was about to finish my first solo haz 5
Lol I swear it drg that is fucking with me
Because I tried alot of games last night no drift and then drg gives me this shit
You slow down and mine just decides to do its own thing
Jesus
Pretty much had all the multipliers possible there
Machine event ... only missing a nemesis or a Harold
Yeah I've gotten a descent team recently
Been struggling to find descent people to do edd with
Are u in eu?
Im going to work in 2 hours lok
Lol
Well we can team up at some point I guess
I could add you to a drg group we have
I have a drg group with 500+ level players i can add you
We need more speed runners. More competition would be nice
Anyone with an idea of what's wrong. The Playstation store won't even open the supporters pack 2 nor the original (Erich I own) I'd like to get the supporter pack 2 but it won't work
Video for context
Wait nvrmind I cant attach video
No need for video. It's a known issue, but no idea what causes it. However, you should be able to use the PlayStation website, or perhaps the mobile app, to access the Supporters Packs and complete the transaction
I think it's on Playstations end as it basically crashes the store and you can't exit out of the game art screen. It's very strange.
It is definitely strange! But the workaround I mentioned has worked for everyone who has tried it, as far as I'm aware
Thanks for that fix!
Of course! Rock and Stone!
ROCK AND STONE TO THE BONE
is anyone trophy hunting Drg?
Hey so like I got the game and I've played 4 rounds, and it was really fun but now I can't join a single lobby because any time I do it says signaling timed out
I'm also pretty sure nobody can join me because when I host not a single person joins
So now I don't know what do to besides play solo forever I guess because I uninstalled and reinstalled the game and it still does it
Is this a common issue or did I just get completely fucked over
I can't say how common it is, but some others have reported connectivity issues. Some of which resolve by rebooting the console and/or router, and some of which resolve by switching to wifi if currently using ethernet or switching to ethernet if currently using wifi
Sounds a little bizarre, but these workarounds have been reported to be successful in many if not all of the mentions of the issue I've seen
It doesn't seem to affect everyone though -- plenty of folks are not complaining about it and the devs can't recreate the issue on their hardware -- so it's proving to be a bit challenging to find and fix
Resetting my ps worked thx <3
You're welcome! Rock and Stone!
Rock and stone!
Rock and stone brother
Rock and stone!
yoyo
rock and stone and whatnot
anyone tryna game with someone who just finished the tutorial?
oh my b wrng chat
Guys I need help!
Me and a friend just brought drg and want to play together. I just finished the tutorial and so did he. He is playing on ps6 and I ps4 . We always can't connect to eachothers game
It says connection lost, Server entry failed
I myself am able to join other lobbies
Reset your console
Have your friend reboot their console. It wouldn't hurt for you to reboot yours also. That can help. If that doesn't work, reboot internet routers. If that doesn't work, try switching to wifi if currently using ethernet or switching to ethernet if currently using wifi

Thank you
You're welcome! I hope something works for you. Rock and Stone!
Still not working
Did your friend try all of the options? Since you can join other lobbies, the issue does not seem to be on your end
If there's troubleshoot steps that can't be taken, there's not much anyone can do. Rebooting the router can help. If he's currently connected to the router by an ethernet cable, switching to wifi can help. If currently using wifi, switching to an ethernet cable can help. These are all things that are confirmed to have worked for other people
Are there any reauirements for multiplayer?
PS Plus is required for multiplayer, as it is with most multiplayer games
Then no, there shouldn't be. You can even skip the tutorial and get into a multiplayer game right away.
But, some people have reported connection issues that have only been resolved by rebooting the router and/or changing the internet connection type between wired and wifi. If your friend is unable to try those things, there isn't really much anyone else can do at this time. The connection issues don't affect everyone, and they don't affect the devs hardware; it's very hard for them to fix issues they can't see happening.
Your best bet is for your friend to try rebooting their router, and/or switching connection types
Would shurting off WiFi connection of the device and reanabling work?
I mean, you can try, but I doubt it. Routers occasionally need to be rebooted anyway -- some more frequently than others -- because they're basically very small, very specialized computers. Like all computers, they tend to work better after being rebooted, especially if they've been running for a very long time
It shouldn't, no. The game is cross-gen and I'm pretty sure there's no way to disable that
Okay thank you for all the help.
But the Router being the Problem doesn't make sense. My friend User WiFi and we played stardew valley together beforehand
I understand. However, this is what has been confirmed by others to have worked when they have the exact issue you're mentioning. Now, that's not to say it will definitely fix your issue, but the things I've mentioned have worked consistently for I believe everyone else who has tried them. And others have said exactly what you just did, that other games were working.
So, it is something specific to Deep Rock, but it is also something that has been fixed consistently by rebooting the router and by switching connection types. If it still doesn't work after those things are tried, it would be the first time I've seen someone report that
I know sometimes we don't have immediate access to all the hardware necessary to try some of these fixes, and that's always frustrating. In this case, there's not really any other options at this time
Yeah, his parents are playing a ttrpg online, probably dsa which is why he can't do that at the moment
Totally understand! Hopefully your friend will be able to try that a little later, and hopefully it'll do the trick since it's such an easy fix. Switching connection types can be a lot more hassle, so hopefully it doesn't come to that.
Good luck to you both!
Thank you! Only reason why we even have the delux version of the game is cause it's on sale for 13 bucks
I think most people would agree it's a great deal at $13! But these connection issues are incredibly frustrating for anyone affected by them
13 € actualy
Ah, very good. I guess what side of the Atlantic I'm on is showing, haha
Jup
Truly a scholar of our time
truley a man of wisdom
A studious individual indeed
Excellent! Rock and Stone! Now, get back to work, miner!
I saw a few players whose rank is above 10000… how many hours do they play to reach that rank😂
Like
There are definitely people who abuse exploits. I'm not sure that anyone, even on PC, have hit that legitimately. There are certainly people in the thousands, at least on PC/Xbox where they've had more time, who've gotten there legitimately
The game has been on Xbox since 2018.
Both Xbox and PC have had a good few years more than PlayStation to hit levels over 1000
they must have abused glitch or save data modifier (yes it is a thing, you may know tho)
ye 1k~2k is reachable legitimately ig
Yeah, people are definitely abusing something. It's not really appropriate to discuss specifics here, and I've never bothered to look into what folks are doing anyway. But occasionally you'll see a lobby in the server browser that has a completely unbelievable mission time, and those are often folks who are not playing the game as intended
yeah
Btw 2 Turrets or one stronger turret?
The sane turret build options are gemini, build time, Defender.
So 2.
Ah ok so one stronger turret is better?
Uhh.
Well two turrets is usually better but then you'll have to manage two turrets.
So I guess its up to your preference.
But I use two turrets.
I'll Stick to one
👍
They definitely did.
The ones who use save editor are always super high. Like 7000+.
Then there's those who only play quick double xp missions. They'd be around 1k by now.
I've taken a month break and just play a couple hours a week now. I'm just about to hit 700. I played way too much when the game just came out on ps+. 🤣
guys, get ready cause this chat is gonna get blown up too in a bit
Aw man.
For a second there I thought we were getting more PlayStation players because of a promotion or something
they're boosters and pathetic dorks lol
there are no legit 10.000 level players
the highest legit i've seen on PC was like close to 1800 or so
did you make it work by switching to wifi?
No by resetting the rputer
k
I had no Problems but my friend did
Hihi
Any other players glitching into the ground a lot?
Its been happening to me super often
happened to me once or twice
at the worst times as well
Do elims as fast as possible solo
Most reliable way tbh
If you see machine events just activate them and ignore unless you need them
But I am absolutely trash
Don't know what to say then
Haha
Do double xp missions whenever possible
Okay haha
Makes sense
Play on Hazard Level 2, at least until you get some upgrades and perks unlocked. That will help. Hazard Level 1 is there if you really, really need it
@gusty anvil if you need help promoting and leveling characters I could help after work
Haz 2 elims are super fast if you focus objective
Haz 3 can be a bit of a challenge when first starting out
My engine is lvl 20 I think should I do 2 or 3
Best thing would be to learn how to use the map to get through missions quicker. Elims always have a similar layout
Engi should make elims ez if you use the 40mm
Ye I normaly do
If you're doing well on 2 and want more of a challenge, give 3 a try. It won't hurt. Just be aware that things can still get way out of hand quickly. Situational awareness helps a lot
Haha okay I’ll try
The quicker you do the missions the better too since waves and random spawns get worse the longer you're there iirc
That's especially true for Point Extraction missions
Anyway I'm home in about 4h so I can help out if you want.
My psn is linked so you can find my name there
Also very true ^^
I ran massive unending train of bugs and there was no ez way for us to win since we were there too long and we had to get rid of litho outbreak with 50+ bugs spawning non stop on hazard 4
Problem is eventually you run out of nitra and ammo

I had like 2k+ combat score
The one time I ran big Bertha instead of carpet bomb and I deeply regretted it
Point Extracts can get wild, haha
who wants to play deep rock
How do you Promote a Class?
You go to the memorial hall, an elaborate next to it is found next to the pickaxe customizastion thing
I know the place but can't do anything.
Have you done the assignment to unlock the promotion, or have you just reached level 25?
M engineer is Level 10
Well he needs to be 25 to promote brother lmao
I was not told that
Whoever was asking about leveling quickly. Here's the simple secret. Always join missions that already started. Same rewards over less time. As long as you're not a total dick and not contributing, host shouldn't have a problem with very late joins.
As far as I know, that’s still pretty frowned upon; joining late just for the rewards
And the advice to always do double xp missions, sure, it's a short term boost. But in the long run, you won't have enough credits and minerals to continuously promote. Take it from someone who's level 600+
