modded-drg-chat

[ember pulsar]

it is however for modding channel

so thats wrong assumption

anyways if thats such a huge roadblock for you, find someone to download pak and share it with you for local loading

[dawn badger]

that was my initial question

then you changed the topic

[ember pulsar]

yeah since there are way easier options available

but yeah whatever

[deft remnant]

After the update some of my mods stopped functioning they are still activated in the mod menu but they don't do their thing for example better down cam was obvious and made me realize the problem

[ember pulsar]

care to share link?

i have suspicion it might have been hidden

[deft remnant]

I don't understand how they would be hidden but they are showing up as activated on the mod page but they don't work it's not just one but many mods

Is there something I need to do to reset the mods or do they just not work on the update until they are fixed

[ember pulsar]

because mods can be hidden without unsubbing people

[deft remnant]

What happens when it's hidden

[ember pulsar]

nothing

reason why it was hidden matters

[deft remnant]

I'm confused, nothing happened but it's matters

[ember pulsar]

why would modder hide a mod, think about it

[naive arrow]

Unsure what mod, but one of the recently updated popular mods might cause games to crash when repairing BET-C

[noble scaffold]

how are you unsure of which one but know it's a popular one?

[ember pulsar]

when he uses mod it automatically becomes popular

simple as

[naive arrow]

Might

[naive arrow]

Basing this off of mod-hub having updates recently cause of some bugs with it

[ember pulsar]

feel free to confirm that modhub is to blame, that will allow to fix it quicker

[naive arrow]

Will do at some point

[icy sun]

What is the difference between Lx2 and 6x2?

I know what 6x2 is but unsure what Lx2 is

ah nvm

lx2 is harder

[brittle jacinth]

Are there any mods that just make Mission Control say complete gibberish

Like I don't want to be able to understand him at all

[ember pulsar]

there was actually

[brittle jacinth]

Oh fr?

[ember pulsar]

yeah let me check

ok my mod.io search broke

smh

[ember pulsar]

https://mod.io/g/drg/m/blahblahblah

is this like first time i lead you directly to answer

[brittle jacinth]

Holy shit

[brittle jacinth]

Yeah I think so lmao

[ember pulsar]

well its because its too specific

so no way anyone could find it by simple directions

i just happen to know it existed

[brittle jacinth]

lol nice

Ima try that out later

[ember pulsar]

and on top of that searching by "blah" didnt show it at all

mod.io moment

[rare egret]

i can think of a fairly simple mod I want...

You know the explosion radius mod that shows you clearly what the radius of a driller C4 is before it goes off?

Like that, but for the blackboxes and defense objectives.

So you can see what the would-be radius for uplinks to mission control is before you start the objective, and drillers and engineers can start making terrain around it without having to guess because they can't see it before the objective starts.

[ember pulsar]

sounds pretty good for a training wheels mod

[rare egret]

you probably could memorize the exact size of a sphere at all points but it's probably a lot easier to just make it visible at all times.

leave the real time combat trigonometry to the scouts with the reflecting draks lol

[ember pulsar]

just shoot infront of bug thats it

or underneath

yep thats it

just a bit more aim intensive magic bullets

[strange star]

are mods broken for anyone else? when ever I turn on any mod even approved or verified mods it changes my save to a modded save

[ember pulsar]

you can just say no

[strange star]

?

there's nothing to say no to when turn on/off my mods other than the actual confirmation/reload spacerig screen

[ember pulsar]

approved mods should add modded tag near your nickname

mentioned in pins btw

[dense wigeon]

where's the "We're rich!" line on the Shoutout Framework mod? can't find it

[ember pulsar]

trolling failed

[dense wigeon]

?

[karmic flint]

should be named “ping” something probably

“ping gold chunk” maybe?

idk i don’t use that one

[dense wigeon]

i've looked through the entire list , and I found the gold vein ping, but not the compressed gold ping one

found it, it's called "Cave_Resource_Bitter_Gem", line 176, "We're rich" ping

[pulsar fjord]

oh

[deft remnant]

Any mod makes you modded

[ancient meteor]

never ever this was a problem in my 1.4k hrs of playtime lmao

why do you even need this

u usually put repellent outside the zone(like 99% of the time), and drilling the backwall is stupidly easy to eyeball

[ember pulsar]

do you just spam repellent

[ancient meteor]

Huh?

[agile vine]

when would be the best time to start equipping mods? rank 100? the 5th overclock?

i don't wanna do it too early to get the best out of my gaming experience

[blissful finch]

If you want a vanilla experience with modding, use things that are tagged as verified and auto-verified on mod.io.
Those change very little of the core experience, they keep achievements and progression enabled, and consist mostly of light QoL/visual/audio tweaks.

Everything else without those tags converts your save into a "modded" save, which disables achievements and some progression stuff.

[agile vine]

that makes a lot of sense, thanks 👍❗

[blissful finch]

Give me a little bit and I'll post my modlist, it consists of all verified mods and is mostly QoL.
Could be a good starting point for you.

[agile vine]

that would be very ncie

[blissful finch]

Keep in mind though, that the game does have a bit of a soft cap on the mods you have active, normally.
For example, if you want to host a multiplayer lobby you can only have a limit of 50 active mods of any kind. If you have over that the game will disable any mods over the 50 count.
But if you're joining someone else's lobby, you can go over this 50 mod limit without any issue.

And of course in solo/singleplayer there also is no limit.

[glacial escarp]

Help.

Is there anything that lets you repair crates quicker?

[blissful finch]

Alright. So, here's my modlist. All verified and/or auto-verified.
It has 56 mods total, but I only keep 50 of them active at most because of the reasons I've explained above.
The other 6 deactivated/inactive ones are there for whenever I want to swap some of the mods out for others to stay at the 50 soft cap.
https://pastebin.com/2B8D4bwj

[glacial escarp]

Abbanon.

[ember pulsar]

https://mod.io/g/drg/m/reduced-e-holding

[glacial escarp]

Thank you!

Is there some kind of cosmetic progress tracker mod?

[blissful finch]

More notes about modding:
You can keep track of your enabled mod count in the top right of the Esc > Modding page, where there is a little x/50.
Moving the cursor over this will provide more information on the 50 mod soft cap.
And whenever you launch the game, you want to wait at least 1 minute before joining anyone's multiplayer session or doing a mission, so that the mods have time to check themselves and get ready. Playing before this finishes can cause some of the mods to not load or work properly.
You can check the progress of mods being checked on launch on the Esc > Modding page, there will be a loading bar at the bottom. Once this bar finishes up and goes away, it's safe to do whatever.
And some mods require you to exit/relaunch the game after enabling them, for them to work as intended.

[glacial escarp]

By this point it's something I desperately need.

[ember pulsar]

there is no need for 1 minute wait tbh

but dont join directly from startup

[blissful finch]

I mean it depends on how many mods you have enabled, but yeah you can simply wait until the checking bar is filled/gone which typically is under a minute.

[ember pulsar]

let rig load first then accept invite

[glacial escarp]

Is there ANYTHING like this?

[blissful finch]

For example I stay at 50 mods and it can take 20-30 seconds to finish checking them.

[ember pulsar]

there is no need to wait for checking bar as well unless you have updates for mods available or changed mod list

[blissful finch]

I disagree with this, because I have a mod that allows centered weapons like in Doom. And if I don't give it time to check the mods when joining someone else's lobby or session, that mod doesn't get loaded and the guns are offset to the right like they are normally.

But every time I've waited a little bit, it works fine.

[ember pulsar]

doesnt mean its connected to bar at all

mind you

[agile vine]

wow, thanks a lot! i'm very exited to try out some mods when i get home.

[blissful finch]

The bar is still a good indicator to rule it by, just in case.

Particularly if you're new to modding the game.

[agile vine]

yeah, from what i know about mods (they are connected to files and thus are scary) it's better safe than sorry

[ember pulsar]

not really

most mods dont need much time to lead

its rare issue of mod doesnt load properly

also drg lib can be used to reinit failed loads

[agile vine]

i do love how this convo implies i can get in a multiplayer session within a minute

[ember pulsar]

but most common issue is modder not utilizing enough "is valid" checks

[blissful finch]

Anyways, I hope this information helps you make your own decisions on what to do with mods moving forward.

[agile vine]

it did, thanks!

[ember pulsar]

for drglib mods you can also usually look into debug messages at will

can help to find the timing for load times/find what fails exactly to report on mod's page

[glacial escarp]

Anything like this?

[small horizon]

No

[glacial escarp]

Like, how many crates I still need, how many things in the shop, how many cosmetic cores.

[small horizon]

Doesn't exist

[rotund creek]

Hello I would like to try out some mods but seams like I can't get mods for this game or that I'm blocked from doing so

when I go to the modding tab it says Modding has been disabled by a launch option

I have checked the propeties in steam and the launch option field there is blank (empty)
Checked my firewall and the inbound rules does not block any connections. I could not find any rules there for outbound though.
I have tried to verify the game files which was a no go

[noble scaffold]

Got no idea, but if you can't find a fix MINT may be a work around

[proven osprey]

A workaround you could do is to make a spreadsheet. Sort each section by unlock method, class, type, etc.

It would take a while, but is doable.

[noble scaffold]

ngl i wouldnt bother since you're gonna be able to get most the stuff in s5

[uneven cape]

https://drg-completionist.com/ has a way to upload your save

[glacial escarp]

I know that, but it's a wee bit borked. They got rid of the overall cosmetic progress.

[proven osprey]

I just grab every cosmetic thing I can until the game eventually me I can't get any more from that kind of crate. Then I'll probably still do them anyways.

[ember pulsar]

do it warframe style, wiki on second monitor 24/7

[silent shadow]

mod hub by itself has more players in lobby? I dont have any mods installed that increase lobby capacity yet more than 4 can join... my only guess is mod hub is doing it..

[karmic flint]

yeah modhub updated to add some new features other than just being a hub for mods. though i think the lobby capacity thing has been there for a bit

[silent shadow]

should the lobby be tagged as modded though?

[karmic flint]

unsure. modhub is labeled as verified afaik, but i haven’t actually checked that recently

and verified mods shouldn’t tag you as modded

[silent shadow]

so, i just hosted a lobby and before the mission ended 9 people had joined and i aksed them if they saw a modded tag when they joined and none of them had, to my knowledge this is a bug with modhub?

[ember pulsar]

yes known one

to be fixed in next update

[silent shadow]

okay ty

[ember pulsar]

also ping me if you find any more bugs for it

so it all can be included in next patch

[silent shadow]

alright, would restarting my client fix it or is this a mod hub in general problem?

[ember pulsar]

for now modhub doesnt have check if lobby is approved or not so every feature that should be approved only is working for unmodded lobby hosts

[obsidian shard]

Is there a server for modded difficulty?

[proven osprey]

I think so, check #fan-communities

[swift pike]

https://discord.gg/hFkqMXPBzA

modding server is moreso just for modding

[ember pulsar]

yeah modding server isnt really a place for modded lfg

however #lfg-modded-steam here might be worth a try

pure member count might carry

[tropic sundial]

what happened to https://mod.io/g/drg/m/showable-legs-in-first-person-view ?

shows legs when i look down, its gone?

[karmic flint]

that link appears to not go anywhere. perhaps the mod was deleted

[tropic sundial]

author was LesnovBrascovitch

seems they vanished

[swift pike]

i have been banned from the modding discord

a real tragedy

it would appear

[ember pulsar]

cool?

[ember pulsar]

there is reupload

guy got caught by the ligma 😔

[swift pike]

it's a tragedy that's the opposite of cool

so many productive and insightful discussions i can no longer partake in

but at least we have this channel

[ember pulsar]

i am still here

[swift pike]

yes that's like 95% of the appeal

we only need an angry little man now

[ember pulsar]

exactly

do i need to bring my main account here

[swift pike]

is your main account an angry little man

[ember pulsar]

well its in the name

[swift pike]

anyway how about that modding discussion

unification of the user interface for deep rock galactic

[ember pulsar]

ui is ass in ue tbh

we should just make all uis go away

play like its real life

no helpful tips in your eyes right

[swift pike]

it's only taken mod hub 2 years to get sorting but we have stuff like verified player limit increases

[ember pulsar]

actually there was a mod like that iirc

got cut by engine update

just like many other great ones like cvo

[ember pulsar]

doubt anyone asked for sorting before

[swift pike]

yeah i only wanted invisible exploders built in

not sorting

[ember pulsar]

you are weird then

good

wanna host lobby with vpn set to china and mess around with ppl using console?

unique experience for sure

will tick all the weirdest statisfaction boxes

i will not tell how to enable console or anything tho

finding information is part of the fun

you will enjoy it for sure

[heady sleet]

so, when I unsubbed from mod.io mods, they're still in the list, and then my game crashes sometimes, when it does, it reinstalls all of them one by one, even the ones I unsubbed from, does anyone know how to fix it? I tried digging through files and didn't know what I would be looking for so

[olive horizon]

you could do a couple things, like subbing then unsubbing on modio, or add -disablemodding to your launch parameters if you just don't want mods at all

or if you want total control, you can use drg mod integration, which you can probably just google for

[small horizon]

Mint is the GOAT

[hollow cairn]

Just checking, what's the difference between approved and verified mods.

[ivory heart]

https://mod.io/g/drg/r/mod-guidelines-and-status-categories
tl:dr:

Approved Mods are mods that have been reviewed and have been deemed Approved for Progression by the GSG crew. Approved Mods are mods that change gameplay elements and game modes but not to a degree we consider “cheating”.
Verified Mods are “personal mods“ that improve accessibility, framerate/performance, QoL, and Cosmetic, Visual, and/or Audio mods that have been reviewed to be Verified.

[hollow cairn]

I see

Apparently I need to disable approved mods when joining other lobbies yeah

[ember pulsar]

official integration does it automatically, just asks before it

[topaz hazel]

mod.io is freaking crap

[ember pulsar]

not really its mostly about gsg integrating it very poorly

some notable examples include spawning cave mods after drop pod doors open

at least it was fixed when there still was single dev who actually cared about modding

then he left and we have what we have

at this point i suspect the guy soloed integration without much help from others

[naive arrow]

Better post processing has a new dependancy :|

A few mods even

They all gotta use "unified UI" now

[mystic void]

what happened with mod hub?

i noticed it just straight disappeared from my modlist this morning

[naive arrow]

Literally just asked that in the modding Discord too, altohugh idk about it vanishing for you, I still have it here, just a few of my mods no longer use it as a dependancy, they use "Unified UI" instead

[mystic void]

strange

yeah it's just completely gone from my modlist

weapon heat and better spectator also got auto disabled

but unified ui seems to work fine in its place

so 👍

[naive arrow]

I still have weapon heat, but never used better spectator

[lilac fable]

there's a video in #drg-videos that explains a bit of what happened

that's all i know about it

[small horizon]

Mod Hub put in some new unnecessary features causing bugs for users and letting people do stuff they aren't supposed to in verified lobbies. So Mira and Assembly made a mod hub alternative that just acts as a modding menu without the bloat, bugs, and more

Unified UI is that alternative

[karmic grove]

Is there a xp boost mod

[delicate pulsar]

Ok hear me out........ a mod that turns mission control into Benson from Regular show

[ancient meteor]

mostly drama caused by extreme amount of soy consumption

and untoggleable mob cap slider that overwrites cd mob caps(actually a problem)

ppl whining about verified mod having sliders to "affect gameplay" bears exactly 0 sense given current situation of modding

like nobody whined about that player cap slider for several months and now thats a problem apparently

like bruh

[ember pulsar]

after such words you are at risk of being portrayed as soyjack in their local memes

its so over

😔

[ancient meteor]

i wanna joke so hard

but thats an instant ban

[ember pulsar]

dm me it then

[heady sleet]

gotta run away as fast as possible after saying F word to him like you do the same thing with Unknown Horror

[fringe hazel]

So hear me out guys

A mod that replaces the compressed gold nugget with a chicken nugget

🤔

[ancient meteor]

"we kfc'ed?"

[fringe hazel]

idk

id def say were rich

as nuggets are golden level food

[rotund creek]

Hello the mod Live Stat Tracker is it possible to move it somewhere else? since I have the Combined Resources where that is and it is very unconvinient to have the resources at the top of the screen

[naive arrow]

Yes actually, using this mod
https://mod.io/g/drg/m/customizable

[small horizon]

you can also use https://mod.io/g/drg/m/live-mission-stat-tracker-plus which can be repositioned multiple places

[naive arrow]

Wait whaaaaat, that's been a thing this whole time?

[rotund creek]

Alright thank you to the both of you

[swift pike]

it needed a mod to be activated previously

now everyone subbed to modhub gets 8 player lobbies as a Feature

[ember pulsar]

if you input konami code you also unlock everything and gain level 666 for some reason

😔

[deep tide]

So quick question: With all this mod hub drama going on, I can use unifiedUI in its place, and my verified mods will still continue to functions as normal right? Thats really all im concerned about

[ember pulsar]

most of them should yeah

[deep tide]

fantastic, thx for the help

ill figure out the rest

[olive horizon]

it matters when the mod that does that is one of the biggest and most important mods on modhub, used by hundreds of thousands who aren't on mint, despite being a dependency which shouldn't have any additional features past serving as... a mod hub

[narrow temple]

Someone plz make this mod but for supply pods popping out beers and the music starts playing. When you take a supply it makes a pop sound.

https://fxtwitter.com/coobfren/status/1764941558762102990

[ember pulsar]

if you dont like extra features dont use them

its like complaining about rockpox regions when you can just disable them

😔

[olive horizon]

but you can't disabled many of them lol

[ember pulsar]

well, next update is coming in literal hours containing all the fixes collected based on feedback and there are plans to just hide extra features from common users just in case they might feel overwhelmed by them

also thanks to bane lobby modded status is now getting checked perfectly so there should be 0 issues with toggle for approved features of modhub

[swift pike]

too bad there was no easy way to prevent this in the first place

like uhh checking if the game actually cared whether or not mods were enabled

[blissful finch]

So what's with this new thing about Unified UI? Is there more needless modding drama going on again?

Reading up in chat, seems to be the case. Joy.

[swift pike]

mod hub replacement that isn't intended to be handled like steve jobs with apple

not even exactly my own words

[blissful finch]

Sadly it looks like one of the mods I use, which relies on ModHub, likely won't ever be updated anytime soon, if at all, to use Unified.

[swift pike]

which?

[uneven cape]

mint users eatin good

[blissful finch]

https://mod.io/g/drg/m/customizable-ally-outlines

[swift pike]

if you're using the ingame modding, then mod hub and uui can be used together

[blissful finch]

Check the description. Mod developer has life stuff in the way.

[silent forge]

are there any mods that add more grenade types?

[ember pulsar]

basically some smart and hateful people got the opportunity to utilize mistakes of their target

mostly boils down to some lame ass content creator drama

dont dive into it tbh

its like twitter drama somehow squeezing into discord, 0 reasons for conflict but still it happens just for the sake of it

and result is inconvenience for others as usual

[lapis horizon]

does anyone know a workaround for the oo2core issue in mint?

[ember pulsar]

downloading dll

from somewhere

[lapis horizon]

somwhere

oh found it

thx

[ember pulsar]

technically you commited piracy now

just so you know

[lapis horizon]

ewha

how may i ask?

if u dont mind

[ember pulsar]

yeah its forbidden by the owner company to share this dll basically

copyright yare yare

[lapis horizon]

oof

yikes

[ember pulsar]

so yeah have fun talking with provider if that happens lmao

[lapis horizon]

3rd world country babe

[ember pulsar]

bussin fr

[lapis horizon]

sheesh

[stray chasm]

me omw to simply not use the "extra feature" of c4 suddenly noclipping through terrain and falling into the endless abyss below the map:

[ember pulsar]

should be on your way to report bug to get it fixed instead

like you can cry about something being broken or you can go and ask for it to be fixed

simple as

[stray chasm]

yeah people asked for stuff to get fixed

u know what happened>?

[ember pulsar]

it got fixed

[stray chasm]

they got insulted by the person who made the mod because their mod doesn't have flaws and claiming that it has a bug is slander
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[ember pulsar]

want fixed pak for testing?

[ember pulsar]

now thats shizophrenia i believe

since thats something that never happened

[stray chasm]

🤣 🤣 🤣

[ember pulsar]

yep no signs of sentience left here

unfortunate

[stray chasm]

peak comedy

[deep tide]

Rip, UnifiedUI is now hidden. Are there any other alternatives you guys could recommend?

[stray chasm]

do you have permission to distribute that zip

[ember pulsar]

ofc

[uneven cape]

this explains many things

[ember pulsar]

for example?

[lapis horizon]

wait why is unified ui hidden

[lapis horizon]

it was showing on modio like, an hour ago

[deep tide]

Ye. Its now hidden, if you wanna check

i checked it about 10 mins ago

no idea why

[lapis horizon]

i still have it but it is really sus

[shell inlet]

It got fixed the same day of the update, lol. Reporting a non-existent issue at this point.

[sly cargo]

is there a mod that causes ui scale setting to be inconsistent

cuz I put it to min and it just works sometimes and other times its normal

[stray chasm]

Nice to have confirmation from a reliable source that there was, in fact, a bug introduced by the new features, and that this bug did in fact require being remedied by updating the mod.

[shell inlet]

I answered it on the mod page too because it was my work, could check there for more specific information than elsewhere.

[vagrant chasm]

so, what's going on with the Unified UI mod? It's suddenly unlisted on the mod db, and thus I can't use the weapon heat crosshair anymore

[heady sleet]

Can someone add Deep rock galactic music to the game?

[vernal jetty]

add deep rock galactic music to... deep rock galactic?

[heady sleet]

Yeah

Sorry, I’ll shut up 😞

I’m trying to think of something this game could use… but I can’t find anything… I feel like Tf2 taunt style menu for dances would be very neat

[prime turtle]

there any mods that remove those annoying vines in fungus bogs, they make it much harder to see, only those ones near the ceiling that dont have any collision or anything?

[vernal jetty]

i don't believe there are any mods that ONLY remove the vines

[muted fox]

go driller and burn the vines

[vernal jetty]

Clutter Be Gone! removes the vines but it also removes a lot of other stuff

[deep tide]

I was asking about this earlier too. I don't think anyone has a solid answer as to why yet, its very odd that it was taken down.

[small horizon]

GSG removed it without saying anything to anyone

[muted fox]

please don't spread lies like that

[deep tide]

OHHHH i see. This clears up why it was taken down. Thank you for posting this, im sure this answers other peoples questions as well

[small horizon]

Where is this?

Steam forums?

[muted fox]

yep

[winter hill]

when did this happen?

[muted fox]

less than 6 hours ago

[winter hill]

because i downloaded it earlier

ah thats why

ill go unistall it now

[deep tide]

I should have downloaded it when i had the chance, at least my mods would have worked. But its not the end of the world

Im just hoping modhub reverts its changes (which, the owner said they will be working on it tonight, fingers crossed), and everything can work properly again :) simple as that

[winter hill]

if it gets fixed before the deep dive reset thats all i care about

dont want to run without the weapon heat crosshair mod

its basically essential to me at this point

[deep tide]

same here. ive taken it for granted, its such an amazing mod

Goldblade said they are patching some stuff tonight, and more over the coming days. Hopefully it will be fixed soon, and the changes they wanted to push can become seperate mods, rather than adding them into modhub itself

[winter hill]

honestly they shouldve did that from the beginning, adding this stuff into modhub is just creating file size bloat and incompatibilities

[heady sleet]

you dont have to uninstall uui, it still works perfectly fine, and enables almost all modhub dependant mods

[winter hill]

i mainly had it for weapon heat crosshair which doesnt work through mod.io anymore because of the dependency being removed

[heady sleet]

oh

im a mint user

[winter hill]

so i just opted to remove it outright

[heady sleet]

not sure how it works with mod.io

[winter hill]

yeah i havent heard about that until today so

it doesnt

[heady sleet]

def worth checking out mint, its extremely worth the small hassle to set up

[winter hill]

id probably port to mint later anyways

im used to installing mods mannually so its not that bad

[barren trench]

you will save time by setting up mint since you won't need to "check for dependencies" ever again

[heady sleet]

mint will save you a ton of time and hassle in the long run for sure

[unique quiver]

Anyone know why Unified ui is hidden?

[heady sleet]

scroll up a bit

[winter hill]

^ this message from a steam disscussion

[unique quiver]

Ah, thanks

I cant belive I didnt think to scroll up lol

[muted fox]

no one ever does

[winter hill]

honestly that wasn't even a tedious install

[unique quiver]

I literally get mad at people for it, then I do it lol.

[heady sleet]

mint? yeah not really

[ancient meteor]

I actually don't know what happened in drg modding when ppl got banned, but I whined there about mob caps being untoggleabe like 5 times already and it got woah removed, nobody insulted me or anything like that

Honestly can't make myself believe that

Should've read all the shitshow in pdrg tbf

[swift pike]

idk why i got banned

i'll assume conspiracy

[brisk sleet]

Pdrg talked about modhub and most relevant members during that discussion got banned from drg modding after

[swift pike]

or treason or something

[heady sleet]

G-Blade have so many alt accounts to spy on comments in other discord server

[ancient meteor]

Link on where that shitshow in pdrg started? Honestly too much too read at once

[naive arrow]

Hateful people weaponised a mistake/misunderstanding from the developer of mod hub basically

[swift pike]

that is not the reason why uui was hidden on mod.io

[naive arrow]

Oh no not that

Wait did I reply to the wrong message?

I infact did

[deep tide]

possibly lol. What were you trying to respond to?

[naive arrow]

Ider

My brain is still waking up

[deep tide]

understandable

[dusk juniper]

I still dont understand the UUI scandal like wouldnt naming everything after modhub make it easier to port mods over to UUI?

Ah im not an expert or an ammateur im just guessing

[ancient meteor]

huh why does it show like that?

[dusk juniper]

Huh

So is that mint?

[small horizon]

It showed like that until I updated my cache

[ancient meteor]

just did that

thats the thing

[small horizon]

Odd, not sure then

[lilac fable]

wow it just keeps getting worse huh, this is just ridiculous

well now that mod hub is fixed im going back to using that

[trail olive]

Just had my game crash a bunch of times in a row, UUI is what was causing it.

But now Build Inspector doesn't work.

😦

[lilac fable]

yeah that's a problem you're only gonna solve with the sideloader unfortunately

i assume the official integration will refuse to load the mod without the dependency but it works fine with modhub anyway, in my experience

[trail olive]

?

[lilac fable]

just google it, it's an external app for loading mods into the game instead of the ingame one

[trail olive]

mint?

[lilac fable]

yes

[ember pulsar]

truth me it can only get worse from this point

this stuff was coming for years

no one it will be stopped even so quickly

[lilac fable]

yeah i just wanna use my qol mods, stuff not working as expected is never fun

i dont like whats going on but i want as little part of it as possible

[opal sorrel]

about time we had our first modding "drama", you should see the crash code wars that larger modding communities have.

[lilac fable]

yeah i dont wanna know, i dont enjoy drama

[opal sorrel]

good choice

[ember pulsar]

dude you are clueless

there were great copyright depression for example

when gsg was handling out copyright notices to everyone

right after the only dev that actually cared about modding left

[dusty holly]

all the drama that could have been avoided without modding is honestly amazing

[ember pulsar]

and about like 3 weeks ago one big modder just vanished from internet

yeah modding is cheating and should be eradicated tbh

should i add /s or smth

[dusty holly]

no, I've got the sarcasm just fine

[lilac fable]

i like what modding has added to drg, but the drama and whatever is going on behind the scenes spins me the wrong way

[ember pulsar]

its inevitable

[lilac fable]

i have no idea about any of it ofc, just some random guy with a few hundred hours

[ember pulsar]

every modding community comes through this

[dusty holly]

oh yeah, modding added a lot, that's for sure. I just don't get why it always has to come around with some drama, but that's what it is

[lilac fable]

yeaaa from what other communities i've been in, drama just happens

[ember pulsar]

skyrim is in eternal war especially

its so funny

game about 2 fractions fighting has same in modding community

[lilac fable]

the only other game i've modded a lot is minecraft and that's a whole other mess

[ember pulsar]

yeah minecraft too btw

forge, fabric, quilt

same thing, drama

[lilac fable]

neoforge too

hell if i know

[ember pulsar]

never used anything but fabric and forge ngl

[lilac fable]

same

forge and curseforge apps has always been annoying to use, fabric and modrinth has been nicer to me so far

[ember pulsar]

also fabric got its place just because it provided experience way too different from forge

so that tells something

[lilac fable]

im glad drg at least has SOME form of official integration

[swift pike]

aside from the fact it's just worse than manually installing would've been yeah

[lilac fable]

not speaking of the quality of it but its nice to see that some effort was made, even if that drive is kinda gone now

[ember pulsar]

i mean mint is better but if devs ever find jonas 2 its easy to fix

[ember pulsar]

jonas left and no one else really cared about maintaining integration

[lilac fable]

yeaaa thats all i know about that deal

[dawn solar]

Hey ermm, if i install the greedy texan mod, do people joining my lobby can hear it?

[ember pulsar]

like just for general picture, guy responded pretty much instantly when pinged in mod.io feedback channel

[ember pulsar]

no

[dawn solar]

Alright cool

[lilac fable]

yeah i wasnt modding around that period of time. and i have no interest in doing anything other than installing fun/QOL mods for my own use, so i doubt i would have experienced much else lol

[ember pulsar]

voices in le head

[ember pulsar]

oh you missed so much tbh

[opal sorrel]

i love automatic updates i love automatic updates i love

[ember pulsar]

all the mods that are gone with engine updates

cvo for example

[lilac fable]

yeah no idea what that is. unfortunate

[ember pulsar]

dude was maintaining actually reasonable complete vanilla overhaul that got fucked up each update

but within scope of fixable

but then he got nuked by engine update breaking it beyond his will to repair

[lilac fable]

the pains of modding

was that back when updates were more frequent? like before seasons

[ember pulsar]

yeah

[lilac fable]

yeah makes sense. painful

[ember pulsar]

imo seasons were a mistake

would rather see smaller patches more regularly instead

[lilac fable]

yea, trying to stick things to a rigid twice-a-year schedule didn't seem to go well

i do hope the open development that will hopefully return with rogue core will be a breath of fresh air

...not for drg itself but for rogue core at least

[ember pulsar]

yeah rogue core should be good

[lilac fable]

im glad they're still working on it though, and are being relatively transparent with us

gearbox and risk of rain 2 have handled their game way worse with the console dlc lmao

[ember pulsar]

worked for vermintide should work for drg

[opal sorrel]

seasons are a flawed concept because they were made to be an aggressive monetisation scheme by the companies who started the trend. take away that and you're kind of just left with a half-baked method of implementing new content. the devs cooked this as hard as they could but the concept itself was designed to be horrible.

[lilac fable]

yeah roguelikes are my favorite genre and drg is my favorite shooter, so im hopeful

[ember pulsar]

sorta

[lilac fable]

like building a house on the wrong kind of foundation

i have done all of the seasons so far legitimately because i play this and basically nothing else

[ember pulsar]

and looking for bazillion crates and lost equips isnt fun either

[lilac fable]

and i did the crates and packs legit too :cri:

forgor no emojis

i mean given i have nothing better to do, im a college student

got the time to waste

[ember pulsar]

imagine 9-5

[lilac fable]

fr

i got to like lvl 300 in s2

lvl 150 in s1 iirc

lvl 200 in s3 i think?

yeah too much

[ember pulsar]

i have foolproof method how to get rid of drg addiction

start modding

dig too deep into how game works

that will be enough

[lilac fable]

yeah no thanks i enjoy my drg addiction

will let it simmer and go on the backburner in a happy state

im currently trying to get legendary 3 on driller and engi so thats motivating me to play rn

after that ill prolly leave it until season 5 tho

[ember pulsar]

want to test melee combat

[lilac fable]

ehh not too interested in that. cryo drills is sating my bloodlust

plus its 2am so i should really get to bed

[ember pulsar]

well you can use cryo with flaming sword

nice combo

[lilac fable]

i did see the videos of that and it looked relatively interesting

might try it when it'

well when i feel like it idk

not rn tho lmao

[ember pulsar]

shilling failed smh

😔

[lilac fable]

ill dip my toes in it in a while i swear

[lilac fable]

lvl 273 in s4 rn my god

[ember pulsar]

why do you like this season so much

[lilac fable]

id blame it on the double xp events

[ember pulsar]

mcr moment

[lilac fable]

and technically its twice as long as the last season so

ive had more time

i did reach level 100 in on september 22 so i def slowed down after that lol

bruh i didnt take a screenshot of my level during season 3, rip

i wonder if the level for each season is in the save file somewhere

[signal forge]

i actually think the verified/approved/sandbox system was a good idea

and its really a shame that mint was designed to bypass it

[lilac fable]

i think parts of it were good ideas in concept, but i don't like how parts of it were executed

for the official implementation it makes sense to try and avoid having blatant cheating mods easily accessible for main progression, which the approval system does a decent job at doing that

unfortunately if someone wants to cheat there are many ways to do it that don't even need to use the official integration

[signal forge]

cheating will always be possible and the focus shouldn't be on preventing it from happening

[lilac fable]

yeah. mint does lower the bar for using cheating mods

at the same time it also lowers the bar for using mods in general

[signal forge]

mint is awesome for testing

[lilac fable]

with official integration in the buggy and annoying state it's in, mint is just a breath of fresh air in comparison

i guess coming from payday 2 and the hellscape that is with mods, im kinda used to there being bad actors out there lol

[signal forge]

official integration could have been good, if the just made it right

[lilac fable]

mods aren't the gsg team's priority, and prolly shouldn't be. the fact we even got an official integration was amazing, though its sad that it's in the state it is in

so the community made a better one, and now modding is a bit more open to chaos

[ancient meteor]

Also mint lowers the bar to btfo them (exile)

[naive arrow]

Drama like this reminds me of when I used to play SCP SL, I found an issue with EXILED (the modding framework commonly used for the game) and pointed it out, I was basically talked down to by people because they knew coding and I didn't and told me I was wrong, one little investigation later and they found out I was right

[ancient meteor]

I actually stopped banning them from my lobby after installing exile

[lilac fable]

like ban mint users that join your game?

[swift pike]

mint was designed to function, which the category system could not do

[naive arrow]

It was some thing about certain features you could toggle by default when installing a server with the Exiled framework, one specific thing (a feature where your flashbangs affect yourself which isn't a normal thing in SCP SL) was enabled by default, I pointed out how this is not base-game so it should be disabled by default, they call me wrong, I prove I'm right, some dev at Exiled got in the shit for making that the default because he said "it makes sense"

But they couldn't be arsed to change it back

So now most servers on that awful game have that

And everyone thinks it's part of the game

[ancient meteor]

Nah why ban? Have fun with them flying around the map while being full drunk and dying every 4 seconds

[lilac fable]

yeaaah thats just how it do be

[lilac fable]

fair enough

i only use mint to use a couple approved mods that are only active when i host, like extra arcade cabinets and being able to lock buttons to host only

those using it to cheat in public lobbies that aren't theirs, or their own that they don't label as such, yeah those guys deserve it

[naive arrow]

I'd ban based on the severity

If someone's full on noclipping, gone

If it's some sorta mod that's letting them deposit like 15% faster, I probably would barely care

[lilac fable]

i remember seeing some peeps in public lobbies with infinite ammo. not my lobby so had to try and convince the host that they were cheating

[naive arrow]

Would ban them immediately

[lilac fable]

if it's ruining the fun of the game for me, they're out. thankfully i dont get many of those

and by not many i mean none at all, like i havent had a cheater join my lobbies in forever

given i dont host very much and i stick to haz 4 usually

[ancient meteor]

Had like 20 in past couple of months

[lilac fable]

eugh thats high

for this game

[ancient meteor]

Yeah I start to notice them after installing apl

[lilac fable]

yeah its hard to track small things like ammo counts without that

i am used to finding cheaters in payday 2 tho so i assume my experience there will transfer to here lol

[ancient meteor]

Just look at ammo count from time to time

[lilac fable]

especially if they shoot a fat boy

[ancient meteor]

And follow sus ppl around to see if ammo is actively decreasing when the they shoot

I found it to be the best method

Obvious hacks are stupidly easy to notice

Like dudes spamming 200 ziplines to kill fps

[lilac fable]

havent had that yet yikes

well hope i dont run into one of those

[ancient meteor]

I once had such guy, we restarted a mission and then the other guy who was in the lobby toggled too

[lilac fable]

pfft

[ancient meteor]

I was like bruh why the fuck did you just do that

And the thing is that usually mint has barely anything to do with that

[shell rover]

Who can help, I want to install mods, but when I open the tab for that, they tell me that I have to accept the terms of use. Where can I read these terms and conditions and how can I access the mods themselves?

[ancient meteor]

You're in na?

[lilac fable]

yeah mint didnt suddenly open the gates, they were already open lol

[naive arrow]

Any other shoutboard users having the game crash rn?

[lilac fable]

yes

[ancient meteor]

I think na has far less cheaters

[swift pike]

unless you have sandbox utilites installed it's not so easy to use mint and get infinite ammo

[ancient meteor]

Yeah but x4 ammo is practically infinite ammo

[swift pike]

there should just be a button that opens something in steam overlay

[ancient meteor]

Oh wait isn't ammo count server side?

[shell rover]

oh, thx. R&S!⛏️

[lilac fable]

i actively avoid chinese lobbies so yeah makes sense

the few cheaters i have had were russian and chinese

[ancient meteor]

And like Im against hating on every Chinese player they are usually cool guys, it's just the % of cheaters are mad

[lilac fable]

yeaaah unfortunately the stereotype turns out true a lot of the time

i have had fine chinese and russian players, but usually they're on high ping so shits not fun for them anyway lmao

[blissful finch]

Doesn't Mint force your game into "Approved" mod status, even when you're using only Verified mods?
Because I'd prefer sticking to Verified.

[lilac fable]

it doesn't force any status. if you have any approved or sandbox mods installed, your lobby will appear in the browser with the text "[MODDED]" in front of whatever message you set normally

i think if you have a RequiredByAll installed it disconnects people too, but i have not tested that

[blissful finch]

How does GSG feel about Mint? It's an external program, right?

[lilac fable]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

it is an external program and it is less restrictive than official. i find it much easier to use and enjoy the extra control and freedom i have

not having to reboot the game any time a mod has an update is enough to make me stick with it

[blissful finch]

I will admit, those features are tempting.
But since I want to stick to explicitly GSG-approved modding sources that are "vanilla" (hence, Verified-tagged mods through mod.io), I'm on the fence.

[lilac fable]

yep, that's fair. my last straw was having to re-enable some mods over and over every time modhub got an update

[blissful finch]

Because it would really suck if the Mint bandwagon grew so much, only for GSG to slap it down with a "No" and have all saves that use it be force-changed to Modded.

Hopeflly after the new DRG game(s?) release, they'll be open to hiring more people who could rework the mod.io integration.

Honestly this whole modding drama thing is a fucking mess.
Game crashes on start now after updating ModHub, UnifiedUI is now hidden while under code investigation, and some of the mods that switched over to UnifiedUI still rely on it/haven't been changed back to ModHub. So they're unusable right now.

[ember pulsar]

ok so

[lilac fable]

yeaaah, that's unfortunately another reason to use mint. you can just run modhub and everything works fine right now

[blissful finch]

I'm still not trying Mint until GSG give some kind of official endorsement or approval.

[ember pulsar]

modhub crashes are because AssStorm made his mods crash with modhub

simple as

[lilac fable]

no, they work with modhub

it's just the dependency part on modio makes it unusable on official

i don't think the mods themselves were actually updated

[ember pulsar]

some of them only work as before unifried ui

[lilac fable]

that's fair i only use a couple of the mods

[ember pulsar]

sandbox utils for example

[swift pike]

pretty sure there's a message regarding this in the drg modding discord

[ember pulsar]

dont care for other

[swift pike]

but i was removed from there so i can't find it

[lilac fable]

i only use build inspector and better spectate so im wrong prolly

[blissful finch]

Where are mods stored locally again through mod.io? I want to manually remove one for something.

[ember pulsar]

pins

[swift pike]

but basically i don't think gsg cares

about mint existing since the current mod support is so broken

[blissful finch]

I... Think I found what I'm looking for?
AppData/Local/Mod.io, but I'm not seeing files for individual mods there.
Just a 2475 folder, a long folder inside of that, and a user.json which doesn't tell me anything I need to know.

I see numbers for subscriptions at the end of the .json but nothing saying what's what.

I'm only wanting to manually remove UnifiedUI from the game files.

Because subscribed mods do get saved locally, right?

[lilac fable]

if your game just crashed it may have deleted the mods there? i forget how it works

[ember pulsar]

wrong

users/public/mod.io

[blissful finch]

Okay there we go.

Damnit. One of my mods still relies on UnifiedUI as a dependency.

https://mod.io/g/drg/m/better-post-processing-reloaded

Hopefully that'll be addressed in the coming hours once the author comes around.

...Oh wait it's Assembly.

[lilac fable]

yep

[blissful finch]

I use a few of their other mods, and they've been updated back to needing ModHub. So maybe they just forgot to do this one as well.

Here's hoping.

[lilac fable]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[twin harness]

so what even the hell was this drama tho?

[ember pulsar]

why would you want to dive into this pile of shit tho

it will be sorted out sooner or later anyways

[blissful finch]

Big mod added a bunch of optional things outside of the scope that the mod intended to be for.
The things were optional/opt-in but appeared for everyone, had been like that for months.
Big update happened that broke the mod, made the optional/opt-in stuff be usable by everyone, even in verified lobbies.
People threw a fit, made their own version of the original big mod, but without the blackjack and hookers or optional/opt-in stuff.
This new mod claimed to be 100% made from scratch, but too much of the code was identical to the original big mod code, so the new mod was removed to be put under code investigation.
Lots of other mods swapped back and forth between the original mod and this new mod because of dependencies.
Original mod finally got fixed to address the issues and some of the optional/opt-in features were patches and removed, no more exploits for verified users.

That's the TL;DR without getting into names or individuals.

[ember pulsar]

pretty good sum up but doesnt paint entire picture

it started back in 2022

just now it reaches culmination

[swift pike]

there is no identical code as far as i'm aware, just files using the modhub name

for backwards compatability purposes

[blissful finch]

Oh, it was files, not code, okay.

[ember pulsar]

they literally ship mod hub in their pak file and have the exact same assets and logic

so your awareness isnt good enough

though anyone can just unpack the mod and see it

[swift pike]

you've continually proven to be quite aware though yes

i'm going to go out on a limb and assume assembly is not shipping mod hub entirely and reuploading it under a different name after goldblade started bringing up copyright

[ember pulsar]

bold assumption

[blissful finch]

It's still needless drama in the end, though.

[ember pulsar]

however i will leave it to prove in something bigger than common yappering in chat

[swift pike]

please do enlighten me then

[blissful finch]

I do agree that the bonus features added by the big mod should be optional, separate mods.

[ember pulsar]

after all it should be summed up somewhere publically

[blissful finch]

But beyond that the rest is meaningless.

[ember pulsar]

or you can just not turn them on simple as

[blissful finch]

Well, in my case, some of the features were enabled by default.

Which I didn't notice until I manually checked.

[swift pike]

what do you mean you don't love forced innovation and progress

[ember pulsar]

yeah its being talked about since people refuse to check what they download

some dont even know that mcr can be configured for example

[blissful finch]

In my case some of these features were added in updates long after I've installed the mod itself.

And some of which were enabled by default.

And since mod.io has a very obtuse changelog system, there was no clear way to check that some new feature has been added unless stated by the mod devs. But nothing was said about it.

[ember pulsar]

so all extra features might just be hidden disabled somewhere not to scare common mod.io users

[blissful finch]

So for this longest time, I was running a mod with a feature that I didn't know was added, didn't know was enabled (it's optional, so it should be disabled by default, no?), and yeah.

That alone bothers me a little bit.

[ember pulsar]

what was the feature exactly

[blissful finch]

Some of the stuff in the Performance tab.

[ember pulsar]

why would you not use some free performance however

[blissful finch]

Because I'd like to know it's there and enable at my own discretion.

[ember pulsar]

and then you have people who will not know it exists before asking for tips to improve performance

double edged as usual

[blissful finch]

The mod author simply had to say the feature was added and the options are there, disabled by default, so users could take a look and change as they wished.

[ember pulsar]

mod.io users cant read

its proven by years of modding already

[blissful finch]

But with mod.io's lack of a proper changelog system, and the author never mentioning its inclusion after it was added, causes a problem.

[ember pulsar]

people dont read before downloading

and after as well

[blissful finch]

Still, that's no excuse for the mod author to be silent about inclusions as well.

[ember pulsar]

++ Another small bug fix
++ Support discord information in the About page

When key bindings fail, use this backup to open ModHub: Control + Alt + Shift + F12
Added an option to change the UIs opacity.
Mod list is sorted alphabetically. Except modhub will always be first.
Fixed some UI scaling issues.
Performance features: Options to significantly increase the games performance.
Gameplay features: Force droppod to leave, change enemy cap settings, change max lobby player count.

changelog btw

[blissful finch]

Performance features: Options to significantly increase the games performance.
Nothing saying they're in a Performance tab, or if they're accessible, or that any of it is enabled by default.

[ember pulsar]

so you want patchnotes to become essay i see

[blissful finch]

That's not what I'm getting at.

[ember pulsar]

it is

[blissful finch]

Just clearer wording.
Could have been put as

Performance features: Found in a new Performance tab, some options enabled by default

[ember pulsar]

each time you write something and its flawed from the common modder's point of view

well now that sounds better

once again you can suggest it on modding server

as well as patchnotes included in modhub or smth

might even go through with pop up about update features

[blissful finch]

Well, my suggestions likely wouldn't be acknowledged anyhow, since I share the sentiment of "things outside of mod's scope shouldn't be in mod. Or in the very least shouldn't be enabled by default."

[ember pulsar]

you dont try and thats why you fail 100% of the time

thats just wrong mentality

most changes that were added recently were suggestions to begin with

[blissful finch]

Considering I've read up on the comments of the mod in question, and this sentiment is largely shared, and the requests about it have been denied? Yeah.

[ember pulsar]

so you got mob opinion affect you

cool

[swift pike]

as long as you don't say the u word you'll be fine

[ember pulsar]

it seems their tactic is working

[blissful finch]

That sounds more ad hominem than it does as a response to the discussion at hand.

[ember pulsar]

it isnt

you see review bombed mod and you blindly believe upvotes

do you consider that smart?

[blissful finch]

All I read were the requests and questions about added features to a mod that are beyond the original scope of the mod, and the author stating that they're there and won't be changed or removed with the exception of conflict or bug cases.

[ember pulsar]

because they are completely optional

and if they are not you can just say about it and it will get fixed

[blissful finch]

Of course my main issue isn't that, like I've mentioned previously. Just with these optional features being enabled by default with no indication that they are.

[ember pulsar]

you can write about that too as i mentioned above

[blissful finch]

Because, again, like I've mentioned, some of the features were added long after I've installed the mod. And were set to enabled.

[ember pulsar]

there was discussion about that yesterday actually

[blissful finch]

Oh?

[ember pulsar]

by avoiding to participating in it you just limit yourself from influencing the direction it can end up in

let me find how it ended

with discussion about new function Hub->DisableFeature for "Shadows!" mod to utilize

could have gone other way if there was common user as well to say about their experience with it

https://discord.com/channels/676880716142739467/1215113515623387226

[upbeat saddle]

What’s a good mod for playing with more than 4 people? My friends have DRG and we’re at 6 dwarves

[ember pulsar]

more players balanced paired with mcr i suppose

[upbeat saddle]

Mcr?

[upbeat saddle]

And does everyone need the mod or just the host

[ember pulsar]

everyone

for mcr at least

[upbeat saddle]

Gotcha

[naive arrow]

What's that?

[dusty holly]

the only reason they haven't is because they literally don't have enough space for more workers in the office right now

they'll be moving out in the second part of the year

[upbeat saddle]

That sounds like the company I work at lmao

[velvet pebble]

any way of stopping mods from disabling on every game restart?

[blissful finch]

On the left side of the Esc > Modding page, untick the "Auto Disable Outdated Mods" option.

[velvet pebble]

thanks

[coral rivet]

Hello, has anyone been able to have both Mod Hub and Unified UI running together without crashing today? Since some mods changed dependencies I had to download both yesterday and everything seemed fine but now I can only play while having only one of them on. Same results on both my Windows PC and my Steam Deck

[shell inlet]

Unified UI ships with nearly identical Mod Hub assets and mod logic which is why it worked with Mod Hub based mods on it's own.

Afaik Unified UI is designed to piggyback off of Mod Hub and replace Mod Hub assets / logic to take control of the mods using Mod Hub in your mod list.

Mod Hub got updated and Unified UI no longer has the correct copies of Mod Hub assets (despite saying all of it was made from scratch - they should just make it independent of Mod Hub to prevent asset version related issues), so Unified UI tries to call functions that no longer exist in Mod Hub and crashes the game if you have Mod Hub installed alongside Unified UI.

At this time it is best to just use Mod Hub as it is working without crashes with the existing mods that use it while Unified UI is being addressed by GSG.

Unified UI is under investigation for multiple reasons and is currently unavailable to the public on Modio. It should be fine to use it once their issue is resolved if you prefer it. 👍

The Unified UI developers updated the dependencies of their mods to use it instead of Mod Hub and afaik have yet to update the dependencies back to Mod Hub to make it work for original users, likely because they are busy dealing with some of the investigation issues and remaking their code.

The exact same thing happened to Mod Hub; not ideal plans were revealed to him stemming from others, events happened and the single Mod Hub developer had to take his works offline due to risks from others, gather evidence of others, announced copyright, refactor his code for security, address bug reports and implement new changes which is why the update for a relatively minor (comparatively to other risks) Mod Hub issue was delayed so long.

[heady sleet]

currently uui is fine for enabling modhub dependencies if you're using mint

[covert flume]

banagement bro you gotta stop spreading misinformation on the internet

interfaces are commonly accepted to be fair use to reimplement

there is a literal supreme court ruling on it

[shell inlet]

I didn't say anything about interfaces though, my information is based on what was in the files and how it presumably works based off of what the crash logs say from the conflicts.

[coral rivet]

Thanks for the answer, I don't really know about all the legal and drama stuff but it's sad to see that the mods can't coexist and end up hindering a lot of players and mods from properly working despite both sides having good intentions with their contributions

[fringe hazel]

me when i see devs move there mods from mod hub to unified ui dependency: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Z8sStmqJ0

espec since its hidden on mod.io rn so completly useless 💀

gg, you dun goofed

[heady sleet]

I can give it to you if you'd like

[fringe hazel]

wellt he fact it crashes with modhub rn

ill pass

[heady sleet]

should have used mint smh

[fringe hazel]

besides modhub has somehting better than unified

customizable steve

🏆

[deep tide]

Customizable Steeve is so cool

I made the guard look like a dread :)

[dim copper]

Hello question. I accidentally clicked no on modding, how can I allow this again afterwards?

[covert flume]

how is that truman's fault?

[noble scaffold]

the mods still work with modhub anyway tho

[spare meteor]

Shame this little debacle killed advanced shadows for me, what a shame

[uneven cape]

just use mint ez

[fringe hazel]

not for me

it wont load without the depenency

[formal pendant]

same

[noble scaffold]

If you use mint

[formal pendant]

what is mint? first time hearing of it.

[noble scaffold]

Mod integration

It's what allows those lobbies that don't say approved but have "[MODDED]" in the title

Better alternative to the built in modding

[formal pendant]

oh damn this is cool. will have to get it this weekend

[noble scaffold]

For the love of god though just make sure to read the instructions properly

But yea it's great

[formal pendant]

gotcha, shouldn't be hard not my first time using a custom mod loader for a game

[noble scaffold]

👍👍👍

[heady sleet]

beastage

[radiant fjord]

Anyone got the full picture between the unified UI and mod hub authors?

Half the mods I use have suddenly become dependent on unified. All was good until mod hub updated the very next day suddenly causing conflicts between the two mods.

[swift pike]

if you're using the ingame modding, then unified ui was unlisted on mod.io for the moment because modhub's author claims it stole stuff from modhub

[heady sleet]

Easy solution is use mint

[prime turtle]

Does mint follow the same sandbox,approved, and verified system? Does it actually follow that system or can it break it, applying approved mods but making the game treat it as verified? I ask because from some comments I’ve seen it seems like that could be the case but I don’t know this and wish to ask

Also is installing mint on Linux too much worse than on windows?

[heady sleet]

It does not follow the system, instead putting a modded tag on your lobbies if you have any mods at all. That being said people have found plenty of ways to break the system in modio long before mint was around

not sure about linux but I can direct you somewhere where you can ask people who would know

[prime turtle]

This person disagreed?

[prime turtle]

And thank you, if I don’t get it working on my own I’ll ask for that info

[heady sleet]

what that person meant is it does not have the "standard" approved and sandbox tags, it instead simply says "modded" in your lobby name if you have any mods at all

[prime turtle]

Does that still disable achievements as having approved or sandbox mods?

[heady sleet]

no

[prime turtle]

So someone can install any mods and it will not stop any features

Concerning but interesting

[heady sleet]

correct, but its entirely your decision if you wish to abuse that or not, the point of mint is pretty much to fix many of the flaws that modio/regular modding has, and overall make using mods a much simpler and less frustrating process

Again, abusing the approval categories to "cheat" has been around long before mint has, if someone is "cheating" with mint, they could very easily find a way do the exact same thing with modio

[naive arrow]

Are you sillious right meow?

[heady sleet]

100% sillious right meow

[prime turtle]

Worst case I was thinking of using the mod that shows events, though its unsupported now

[heady sleet]

its your game, so long as you're not negatively impacting the experience of another player, go ham

[prime turtle]

Doubt I’ll use it long term though, seems like having nodded in my server name will scare people

[heady sleet]

either A. people wont read the lobby name and wont notice anything strange cos u dont have gameplay affecting mods or B. they will read it but also see a disclaimer either saying "verified mods only" or "these are the mods im running"

[uneven cape]

or be like me and just leave a goofy server name and [MODDED] with no explanation

seems to work fine

[heady sleet]

usually yeah

i just fits the modded status and a silly message together

[prime turtle]

Still don’t want to scare people off in case they think it includes whack mods

[heady sleet]

do whatever you think is best for yourself. Worth noting that sometime in the future, the mint dev is planning to update it so that the modded tag will not appear if you only have verified mods, unsure when this will be tho

[prime turtle]

The pull request for auto verified is currently waiting approval, normal verified will probably be a while longer, probably to avoid people spoofing it

[naive arrow]

@smoky cedar

[heady sleet]

👀

[naive arrow]

Kittik is always sillious right meow

[heady sleet]

this is huge im so happy for her 🙏

[hard hamlet]

how do u mod?

[swift orchid]

I gotta ask: why drg limit to 50 mods when hosting?

[naive arrow]

Instability I'd imagine

[twin harness]

prevent crashing

[fringe hazel]

oooo theres a customizable mule mod

i gotta def set it up dif colors for biomes

question bttw @twin harness does that include visual

so if i join a multi but have 50+ modsverified

so anyone got suggestions for biome apperance for mule/

[twin harness]

nah if just the visual then it's fine.

[deep tide]

you can join/host lobbies with 50+ verified mods (i do this myself), but i would assume the chance of your game crashing will definitely increase once you start going past the limit

I personally have around 60ish and have not had any issues, but i don't want to install any more than i have rn. Most of them are QoL, a few visual and audio changes

[noble scaffold]

"but i would assume the chance of your game crashing will definitely increase once you start going past the limit"

with verified mods? no lol

[west leaf]

people tend to not read neither server name nor motd that literally pops up after they join and has all the info they need, and then complain that its modded...

also, literally infinite ammo?

[naive arrow]

Not literally, but figuratively

[noble scaffold]

"I can't be arsed to balance this"
-Only buffs

[noble scaffold]

If you say what mods you're using in the title people usually join if they want a similar experience

eg 6x2, more dwarves etc

[shell inlet]

The gist of it is a network bandwidth limitation of how much data is allowed to pass through Steam to query Modio to sync mod users. This same issue is why Mint has no mod sync at this time - if ever.

[west leaf]

i really want to cry about it once again how people still join literally when i have HAZ 5.5x3/40 along with the [MODDED] in my server name, THIS IS MODDED SERVER! in server motd (twice) and still ask if its modded server when they die of overbugafication

thats rare, but when it happens, ugh

[noble scaffold]

People are stupid

Like it's gotten to the point where I know people won't read the motd

So I've just changed it to say >>>MODDED<<<

Because if you can't read that then you got no right to be pissed

[west leaf]

me when

and

[noble scaffold]

I don't like being a cunt pre-emptively

but if its deserved then yea

[west leaf]

well its straight to the point.
don't like? leave. no need to waste time and probably ruin a run for everyone else in lobby.
if you are mad about being asked to leave if you don't like stuff or can't read then it "Sounds like a personal issue" (c) G-Eazy - I Mean It

[rancid harbor]

Can someone help mod for autosprint (or shift to walk) broke and I don’t know how to fix it

[ember pulsar]

restart game?

[rancid harbor]

ok it wasn't broken in the way that i was expecting turns out because of how mod works it doesn't enable if you have second wind(j missed that part in desc) so my concerns where unnecessary and dump

[fringe hazel]

@signal forgewanted to ask, is VA in the works for sabotage + decor destorying stuff

just curious

love to hear greedytexan tell us off for breaking bottles n shit or evn crap talking thje rival mining

[signal forge]

We've been lazy, sorry, but sabotage is almost finished

[ember pulsar]

there is link on mod's page to google doc with progress and plans

[blissful finch]

Just launched the game today and all of my previously installed mods are re-installing. What gives?
There's no way they were all updated since yesterday.

[ember pulsar]

official integration moment

[blissful finch]

Before you say it, I don't care for Mint until it gets some official statement from GSG.

[ember pulsar]

they officially dont give a fuck about it

[heady sleet]

Then stop complaining

[ember pulsar]

just like about official integration

[blissful finch]

They haven't said as much.

[fringe hazel]

awesome, cant wait to hear his sasss to the emeny corperat

[shrewd sandal]

Anyone know whats going on with modhub? Its been reinstalling every couple of missions or so for a week or 2

[fringe hazel]

[Snickering] "Dwarf Picks Fight with Decoration" is going viral on PikRok right now."

i fucing lovie you zombieseat

this is amazing

[ember pulsar]

@signal forge ^ in case you dont read this chat much

[fringe hazel]

legit your doign amazing work

i always ahve a massive smile on my face reading these lines

[fringe hazel]

@solar swift plese check dms got a replrt to make

[solar swift]

@fringe hazel i just deleted a DM from someone i didn't know, send it again please

[swift orchid]

Understandable, i presume it'll also affect the client experince if they had to install 100+ required for all mods, esp for ones with weak net

[fringe hazel]

ok neeeed to ask here, any idea what this means

it says itas if t cant find it?

[jade saddle]

Can anyone explain whats happening with all the mods rn?

[fringe hazel]

gonna try hosting a solo adn customizing it

see if it generates the files

[signal forge]

Like what do you mean

[jade saddle]

All the mods having to reinstall every time I open the game

Also my game crashes a lot lately

[signal forge]

Drg has this amazing feature where it deletes all your mods any time you crash

[jade saddle]

But it happens to my friends too and they dont crash

[signal forge]

Oh odd then I don't know

[jade saddle]

I heard there is something weird with mod hub going on but I dont really know what

[signal forge]

Is it saying "install failed" or something like that

[jade saddle]

No it just installs them every time

But its annoying because it doesnt turn on some of them, so you have to do it manually

[signal forge]

Seems like a little bit of mod.io weridness

Problem like this happen all the time

You should try clearing your mod.io folderz

Or just use mint

[uneven cape]

I think it’s related to mod hub having a lot of updates recently
and then because of how the in game modding system works, it reinstalls everything that depends on mod hub every time
which is a lot of mods

[signal forge]

Oh does it really?

That's pretty stupid lmao

[uneven cape]

yeah that finally got me to switch to mint lol

[signal forge]

Try deleting the folder in c:user/public/mod.io

[solid oriole]

So join a more player modded game today and it ask me to download the more player balance mod but the thing is I’ve played games with more player before without the mod, did they have a different mod or something?

Also when I try to host a game with more player modded, nobody joins, am I doing something wrong?

[dapper junco]

mint goes pretty hard i think

[lone hornet]

Can someone give the tldr on why build inspector stopped working

[heady sleet]

pretty sure the dependency is now unified ui instead of modhub

[lone hornet]

ah it said that on the mod hub but i couldnt find it

and there was something like you couldnt run modhob and unified ui at the same time or something

[heady sleet]

I can give you uui if you'd like, I think you will need to use mint for it tho, atleast if you want to use both

i do not have any experience with regular modding issues recently

[lone hornet]

nah its aight

[deep tide]

Build inspector is still working for me. Might sound strange but that and better spectator was disabled for me, until I simply disabled and re-enabled drglib. Then they worked again

[lone hornet]

Weird I tried turning it on right after I found out it was disabled and it didnt work, now i turned it on again and it worked fine

classic

[velvet fossil]

can some1 recommend modlist for multiplayer with more than 4 players

[ancient meteor]

More players balanced?

I don't understand the question ngl

[heady sleet]

modlist?

[jade saddle]

I got the haz 6 mod and the custom difficulty mod to take a look at them and now haz 5 no longer says lethal next to it and haz 1 gives haz 5 xp

[heady sleet]

idk whta the deal is with haz 1, but with custom difficulty you need to access its tab in modhub or unified ui and click the link to the github page where you can copypaste the scripts for premade difficulties into the MH/UUI page, then select them, the new difficulty will replace haz 5 for that session, you will have to reselect it each session but the scripts will save in MH/UUI

[jade saddle]

When I remove the mods, the "lethal" next to haz 5 doesnt come back and haz 1 isnt fixed either

Really sucks about haz 1, cause I wanted to do haz 1 missions to get solo missions done and get all the warning milestones

But I dont wanna get haz 5 xp for a shitty haz 1 mission, feels cheated

[heady sleet]

play haz 2

[jade saddle]

I guess

But I still wanna get that fixed

Idk why my game is so weird lately

[heady sleet]

you dont always have to be running CD

[jade saddle]

I dont

This is the case even when I turn it off

[jade saddle]

So I found out that both of these issues were caused by custom difficulty so I unsubscribed from it and reloaded the spacerig and the issue remained. I had to restart the game to fix it

[tardy whale]

i was wandeing if there is a mod

for

fov

?

[jade saddle]

What does that stand for again?

[tardy whale]

field of view

[jade saddle]

Thats what I thought

Idk tho

[tardy whale]

where does everyone get there mods from

?

[jade saddle]

Either mod.io, which has ingame support or from something called mint apparently

I get all mine from mod.io

[tardy whale]

thx

[tardy whale]

how do u add them to the game

?

[jade saddle]

Go to the modding section in the settings and go to "manage mods"

This opens mod.io and then you just need to subscribe to the mod you want

[tardy whale]

oh wow

thanks man

[jade saddle]

No problem

[tardy whale]

how i add

[jade saddle]

Eh I dont remember seeing this screen anymore. Why can you not press install mods?

[tardy whale]

idk

oh now i can

[jade saddle]

You can also just go to mod.io on your browser and log in with your account

And do it from there

Might have to do that first, not sure tho. Has been a long time since I had no mods installed

[tardy whale]

ive installed mods

[jade saddle]

Does it work now?

[tardy whale]

YEA

[devout copper]

Someone said 40 nitra resupply mod reduces rng
Is this legit?

[prime canyon]

Is there a way to block people using shoutboard or similar, I'm running a completely vanilla lobby and almost every rando joining use this to spam fart sound all mission long. This is getting ridiculous.

[maiden abyss]

No

[noble scaffold]

Lobby name "(normal name here) + Shoutboard=Kick"
Or alternatively
Download MOTD
"Shoutboard = Kick"

[noble scaffold]

wdym "reduces rng"

what rng is involved here

[uneven cape]

The nitra generation RNG is not changed, but by reducing the resupply cost you reduce the effect of the RNG because you can more consistently get a resupply before you need one
Although this really only matters in modded difficulties that make swarms occur sooner

[void wedge]

hello! is there a "drg modding for dummies" or something you could point me to to get started?

[ember pulsar]

#fan-communities

[devout copper]

No clue
Thats just what he said

[devout copper]

Gotcha
Thanks

[ember pulsar]

there is a way however there are no public mods for it yet

[uneven cape]

LEV being helpful in the least helpful possible way as usual

[void wedge]

thanks!

[ember pulsar]

wdym by that

[uneven cape]

"yes you can do this, however i will not give you any help other than saying that"

[ember pulsar]

not feeling like making mod for that but if the guy wants to there are ways to make it

thats the main idea

[dusk juniper]

Has anyone made a mod to make the promotion framing be upside down like how they look in achievements?

[void wedge]

do I need to do something other than subscribe to a mod to install it? I'm still seeing the "There are currently no mods installed." message.

[prime canyon]

Could you explain please?

[ember pulsar]

there were plans to make mod to block shoutboard but they never made it into actual mod

however it is possible in theory

[prime canyon]

I don't know enough about modding to help with any of that, sadly.
Thanks for the answer.

[ember pulsar]

there are guides and tools to help you if needed

[prime canyon]

Do you have links for those, just in case I can actually do something?

[ember pulsar]

#fan-communities